Origin Live must be grateful for eloquent reviewers like Paul to shine the light on their hard work. And audiophiles must be grateful to Paul for helping them make informed choices. It's a great hobby we have. It uplifts weary souls like me sigh.
Paul, your review of the Gravity One puck caused me to buy it and the improvement was obvious. It looks like I will now be buyinh the Strata as a companion for the Gravity One. I currently have the Achromat on my much modified LP12 and have been very happy with it as it was a huge improvement over the Linn felt mat. Excellent review, thanks!
Somehow by post has disappeared into the ether. Here it is again. Thanks for another thoughtful,considered review Paul. You certainly earn your crust and we do appreciate the effort expended. Anyway your mention of the bass caveat has me pondering and wondering. I’ll have to read and reread it again. I currently use the ubiquitous 5 mm variant of the Achromat which I’m happy with on a sonic and practical level. Thanks again.
I had a hex mat eclipse.. hated the way it looked on my Denon… and somehow I was getting a ton of static from it? Switched back to the stock Denon rubber mat static went down a lot, I but lost all the benefits of the hex mat… returned the hex mat, got a funk firm acromat….. killer!!! The vocals aren’t as good as the hex mat but it’s very close. And no more static!! Plus much cheaper ! This Origin live has got me thinking though ! Great review!
Wow, I've both the Achromat and the Hexmat Yellow Bird pm's. OriginLive taking the top spot is quite the heavy lift. Thanks for expending the vast effort.
Thanks bro!! I have a origin live Calypso turntable with the silver arm, shelter 501 Mark II with a microline stylus boron cantilever re-tip. I'm currently using the origin live upgrade platter mat. I still haven't purchased the origin live record clamp that you reviewed last year, nicely done I might add. now I need the strata platter mat ❤. these items may seem expensive on the surface but considering the cost of turntables, cartridges, preamps and such, and the amount of improvements those components make on your sound. Accessories like platter mats and record clamps are really bang for the buck much better value. I Really enjoy your channel. Thanks Paul for the reviews. 😊
Today finally my Strata mat was delivered by the German distributor. Since you published your video a month ago, I had ordered it directly from origin life to be told that they won’t sell me since they have German distributor. The German distributor told me that it will only be revieled at the high end that they are the new distributor and that they actually have not the product of the prices. Since Origin Life didn’t want to sell to me directly to Germany, I had to wait. Today the wait was over and I could replace my Hex Mat with the Origin Life Strata mat. There is no doubt that on my Thorens TD 126 mk3 with Lustre Sound Tracer GST-1 tonearm, equipped with a MM Transrotor Uccello into an EAR Yoshino Phonobox, the Strata is a strong improvement to the Hex mat Eclipse. So thank you for the review and your recommendation.
Thank you for the review. I was literally going to purchase the Eclipse this week, then I noticed you had a review of the OL Strata. So, no prizes for guessing which I shall be purchasing instead.
On the verge of skipping this video after hearing the price... Yet I stayed and enjoyed your thorough review, Paul. Interesting to say the least, but there are no ways I would see myself buying this one. Even for my mid-to-high--end TT.
This is great news, I will be looking at one of these for certain, not this month though, you really did go to town with this review and I'm pleased that you did, it doesn't surprise me that Origin Live have gone down this route as last year when they introduced new platters to their turntables, it seemed like only a matter of time before more was on the horizon, yet another 10/10 for them and not at ridiculous money either (within reachable distance for many who are serious about their music anyway), thank you for this Paul.
I have the OL original, a Technics original, an Achromat and an Oyaide Butyl. The Oyaide is the best as one would expect being made of butyl, Damping is perfect.
Thanks for the review. The Stein Music Pi mat is just as expensive and on the opposite end of thickness, as it is paper-thin. It might be a real challenge to this Origin Live mat.
Great review. I have tried many of the mats you covered. I’m currently using a Synergistic Research UEF Record Mat and am very happy with it, but if had my eye on the Origin Live Strata because I’ve had such great success with some of their other products.
I've tried the following mats wit zero audible impact: felt cork leather acrylic delrin achromat hexmat I'm glad others see/hear results when they upgrade their platter mat, but I'm never spending another dollar on a mat. I will say my turntable looks beautiful w/ the acrylic, delrin & Funk Firm mats in-use, but there's no audible difference in sound reproduction whatsoever in my experience. Or if there is a difference, it's so minute that I'm not noticing it. Music Hall Stealth w/ Ortofon 2M Black LVB 250 cartridge sitting atop a 3" thick slab of maple w/ pricey iso feet. 12v Clearaudio Smart PSU Black Ice Audio Fusion9 MkIII phono preamp w/ a pair of new old stock Telefunken 12AX7 tubes installed Eversolo DMP-A6 Master Edition w/ internal linear power supply upgrade & 2TB Samsung 990 SSD sitting atop a 1.25" isolation platform w/ iso feet Black Ice Audio F360 stereo preamp w/ APOs Ray's Tubes 6SN7 RESERVE tube installed Emotiva XPA DR2 power amplifier Arendal 1723THX tower speakers w/ expensive isolation feet Pair of Emotiva XP12 powered subwoofers (I made nice DIY plugs for the ports and run them sealed). SVS Soundpath iso feet installed AudioQuest PowerQuest 505 power conditioner/surge protector Pro-Ject Connect It CC interconnects for the phono stage. 10awg OFC ground cable w/ braided jacketing & rhodium plated spades. Snake Oil Cables XLR cables for the Eversolo streamer/DAC & Emotiva XPA-DR2 power amp. 10awg OFC power cables w/ Rhodium plated plugs throughout All gear is housed in a custom maple audio rack w/ 1.5" thick shelves & isolation feet that cost hundreds of dollars. I know my equipment is not the end all, be all greatest stuff available....but it's not garbage either. Unless you're a multi-millionaire w/ an insatiable love for HiFi, my system should be considered pretty dang nice by most. ...and I say all of this because I'm not a guy w/ a trash system who is expecting a platter mat to make miracles happen. I've taken this as seriously as I can. I've done as much reading & watching as I can. I've spent as much money as I can. I've placed my equipment in the best locations that I can. I've dressed my listening room (which is another luxury most don't have) as best as I can. I think the average Joe would be happy w/ a $15 to $20 acrylic mat from Amazon if I'm bein' honest. I'll end this by again saying I'm glad others benefit from upgrading things like platter mats. I wish it'd happen for me, too. ...but after trying out at least 6 or 7 different brands/types of mat...I ending up going w/ the one that I thought looked best. ....so I now have a permanently affixed 3mm Funk Firm Achromat on my tt. ...and it'll stay that way til I pass on or replace it....
An interesting review but what turntable/tonearm/cartridge combination did you use for the tests? Was the VTA adjusted every time a mat was changed? I'm also assuming that a clamp or weight wasn't used in the tests? Thanks
Reference system is now in the Description. It's a high-end rig to remove it as a variable so I could focus on the sonic differences between the mats. That is, I didn't want to second guess myself by thinking., "Well is the sound because of the mat or...the amp?" or whatever. VTA? Yes. No weight or clamp.
I tried weighted pucks but they did not provide good results on my LP12, killed the dynamics and soundstage. The Gravity One has worked well providing the impression of more space and enhanced detail. I’m looking forward to getting my hands on the Strata mat.
Hi Paul, that was very interesting indeed, thanks. The descriptive words you are using match up exactly with my findings of the Gravity One puck which, as I commented when you reviewed that product, is great in my system. I shall now watch your new video to see what you have found about the combined effects of the two OL products. PS No Ringmat in your test? That was all over the place for many years.
interesting i use bubble wrap at the moment which i zap with my zerostat once in a while. and it's free. but would love to try this mat to do some AB comparison
Had an RP 3 for years and had it serviced and replacement motored, but could never get it to 'sing', despite changes in phono amps and cartridges. Kept to the ' Rega ' adice and never changed out the felt mat, then I tried cork, for me every bit as bad and virtually gave up. Then I recently saw your videos and a few others re microphonics and isolation. However, I also came across Acrylic mats as been recommended. As I didn't fancy paying the price equvelpent of a new RP 3 for a mat and puck replacement experiment, great as they maybe, I considered the Hex Yellow Bird, but thought I'd try an Acrylic first, which arrived last week. I was frankly instantly stunned as I'm now getting something along the lines of my expectations . BIG ASK, could you fit Acrylic into your experimental range for an opinion of it's general performance in the rainbow of possibilities between Felt and Origin Strata, as I have finally started to hear differences room sonics and action of acoustic feedback to the cartridge actually makes. Ps also found it makes setting anti skate a breeze. I have now watched many of your videos since coming across your work, so a big thank you.
I stand 'semi' corrected. I just found your 'Goldmark Platter Mat...' video. Semi as the one I purchased has central label area recess and not a raised Island.
The Revox platter is not flat. So, first is 3M mounting discs, 4 in label section, and 4 at the circumference. This prevents the first felt mat from sliding. Next I tried the Hibiki carbon fiber mat on Amazon from Vinyl Supply Co. versus the LesDavis Magic Mat from Australia. Yes, your cartridge must be shimmed with a 180 gram LP on the platter. The goal was the best detail of a rock band kick drum. The Davis damped mat sounded most natural. Both with the felt mat with 8 3M dots are top choices instead of the original rubber mat. This is a guide for the many users still finding its straight line tracking a better choice than today's budget turntables. Any of the reviewed mats should work on top of the felt mat secured by the 3M dots which are reusable and replaceable without residue.
No puck because I didn’t want to add an unnecessary variable. I just wanted a bare mat to do it’s thing. I’ll add my system to the Description when I’m back at my desk.
@@TheAudiophileMan Thanks Paul, that makes sense. I was just curious if the puck might have “overdampened”, but then again maybe not since some of Origin Live’s tables come with the puck? Either no worries! Cheers
Brilliantly detailed review as always Paul. You certainly earned your crust. The only caveat for me was the bass description. I’ll have to read it again just to make sure.
Hi Paul, good to see you at Bristol hi fi show, was wondering if an acrilic Type turntable ( Rokson Radius 5.1 ) does this need a mat ? Was many years ago a recall listening in 1989 on Signal Radio a spokesman from High Town Audio in Crewe spoke on a show about Vinyl & how it would be around for years to come , at the time I made a mental note of this, as the CD revolution was starting to break through, a couple of years later I began to read Hi Fi world. The sound does sound more musical on Vinyl ! with a good well set up system playing records that I originally heard in the charts in 89 or easy listing classics even with some minor ware, the music shines through the scratches...so I think a better mat will enhance more of this ...
Thanks for your question. I find that acrylic platters fight platter mats because they’re trying to do the same job. Hence, I would leave the platter itself ‘as is’ with no mat on board.
If the purpose of the Pattermat is to compensate for the vibrations caused by the turntable, wouldn't it be important to know on which turntable this test was performed? Wouldn't it be the case that the most vibrations occur on a beginner's turntable and therefore the Pattermat has the greatest audible advantage? What would be the most profitable way to upgrade, a better turntable or a high-quality Plattermat?
Reference system is now in the Description. It's a high-end rig to remove it as a variable so I could focus on the sonic differences between the mats. That is, I didn't want to second guess myself by thinking., "Well is the sound because of the mat or...the amp?" or whatever. And no, vibration occurs no matter what the level/price/etc. And there is a balance in terms of budget, pricing, etc. Sure. So if you have an Audio-Technica 120x, then maybe a lower cost mat might be for you. But I do list a fair few for you to choose from in the vid.
Hi Paul. I’m definitely tempted by the yellow bird mat , but I’m wondering if it will stick out like a sore thumb on the turntable . So I assume it’s yellow or nothing, which is not going to go down well with my better half .😂 And probably it’s over the top anyway for a rega p3 . All good stuff as usual from your channel . Best wishes and kind regards as always. 👍
Thanks for your fabulous (as always) thorough review Paul. I bought both the Yellowbird and Eclipse on the strength of your previous platter mat shootouts. They are fab. Thanks. Just one question. On the Origin Live website there is the following statement: 'The Strata can be used with almost any turntable. The only exceptions are Origin Live turntables that use the multi-layer platter as they will not benefit from using the Strata.' I have the Origin Live Sovereign MkV which has the multi-layer platter as standard. Upon this I place my Hexmat Eclipse. So here's where I'm confused. The multi-layer platter is not a 'platter mat'... you have to put a mat on it to listen to records and the standard OL upgrade mat is shipped with the turntable.... so... you know where this is going... if you used the Strata Mat, would there be additional benefit???? ... they say I shouldn't!!!! I'm scared now. The Eclipse betters the standard OL mat... so SURELY the strata should... ???😵💫
@@TheAudiophileMan Hi Paul; I just noticed in the description that your reference turntable is the Sovereign.... so was the Sovereign the turntable that you used for the Strata review? I have emailed Origin Live and asked about the statement on their website regarding using the Strata with the Sovereign. They stated that the wording on the website should be changed and that although the Strata will bring more benefit to none-OL turntables which don't utilise the multi-layer platter technology, there is absolutely no reason why it shouldn't bring enhanced benefit when used on one of their turntables. Interesting. If your test was on the Sovereign I guess that answers my question regarding the uplift in quality from the Eclipse to the Strata - it's real! Thanks.
Well I've not seen anyone with a copy of Seasons before. Think i paid about a pound for my copy from a shop next to a chippy in Huddersfieid in 1984. Last played around 10 years ago.
what turntable were you using? do you think that platter mats can be turntable sensitive? Did you use a record weight? I have a Garrard 401, I use a record weight and a copper outer diameter rim weight for warp control.....
Reference system is now in the Description. It's a high-end rig to remove it as a variable so I could focus on the sonic differences between the mats. That is, I didn't want to second guess myself by thinking., "Well is the sound because of the mat or...the amp?" or whatever. And yes, every turntable is a different design and may react differently. A turntable is a team game, lots of mechanical parts have to work together in harmony so how the parts are put together and what the parts are in the first place does have a say. No weight, no. I wanted the mats to speak for themselves.
@@TheAudiophileMan That’s why I was hoping it might have been included, never seen one myself either. Would have been interesting to hear your take on it, especially considering your in-depth, and well stated review of these mats!
I have to say that I am impressed with Pauls review of the origin live mat, but does the mat really come in a half split opening ? It looks like it is a split in half in the waiting for a full split. One accident and the platter mat will become two in need of repair.
Well, that's part of the design and part of why it sounds so good but yes, you do have the handle it carefully. That's a downside, to some extent. Saying that, when the mat is in place, hopefully you won't have to handle it again for a long, long time :)
Curious about the test system. did you try it on any other turntables other than the reference system? The Sovereign has the multi layer platter and OL's website says the Strata is of no benefit when used on that. I did read an earlier post where someone asked OL directly about that very same thing and that they reckoned it will be of "some benefit" and that the website needs to be changed. But then they would say that I think, and the website hasn't changed! I do have one on order having been pretty impressed with the Gravity One on my Clearaudio, so I guess I'll find out for myself soon enough.
No, the work load and video length would have doubled or tripled if I have used additional decks. But this doesn't end here. I can always readdress these issues later on, integrating that mat into other reviews or doing follow ups. I have put in a review request for the new platter to see how that works but there's no date yet. It might come to pass that the new platter doesn't need a mat of any sort - acrylic platters don't either, for example. But we'll see.
Yes but they were no where near as prominent or recognisable or as tonally accurate. They didn’t pop, you could easily miss them what with everything else that was going on.
If you wish to do the work, I have compared the Funk Mat with others I’ve reviewed in the past in videos on this channel. That/they will give you a broad overview.
Hi Paul great review thanks! Have you reviewed Funks APM Achromat, and how do you think this costlier version matches up to the Origin Live mat. I am a big fan of Origin Live upgrades. Thanks again
@@stephenharding428 I actually made a mistake. I read that someone had put a Hex Mat Yellow Bird on top of an Origin Live mat to good effect. Turns out they meant the Origin Live Gravity One so I cancelled the Origin Live Mat. But I will compare the Hex Mat with the APM. I may invest in an Origin Live Gravity One at some point as the results from that seem to be almost universally positive.
So many questions user-bt8, etc, etc :) That answer depends on you. Im only here to act as a guide. Nothing more. The cork mat? It's a great mat. I used it back in the old days for a long time. It does a great job. Then I moved from there to a cork/rubber mix. I recommend checking that out if you do have cork. The mix does offer a creditable upgrade.
What I love about all this is. The manufacturers tell you their kit is the best. Then they say it can be improved by fitting\using this. If their kit can be improved\bettered, why am I buying it? Why don't they fit all this stuff in the first place? Its basically all a racket to relieve you of as much of your hard earned cash as they can!
I beg Paul not to review an origin live tonearm. I really really don't need another expense on my hands. Hint hint.. please do not review the illustrious, conquerer, enterprise, agile, or renown tonearms. Please Paul don't! I have two turntables and I do not need another mortgage payment on the revealing sound improvements these tonearms will bring.
Hello Strata platter mat, it comes off just as easily as it appears at 2:26 of your video? and what is the right side to place on the turntable, Does it work over vinyls of 7" and 10" inches? Best
If you're interested in the mat then I would go that way around first. That is, grab the mat and with the mat in place, see if you even need a stabiliser in the first place. Even if you do, I don't think there will be an issue though because that central area is also the bottom, hardened layer which appears to be pretty stable all on its own.
Would you consider doing a video about determining if you need to use a weight or clamp? I've always used one because I thought it was part of eliminating vibration. Perhaps you've already done one?
The Strata will hopefully allow your turntable to work as advertised. Removing vibration, noise, etc. You still need to pay attention to the basic qualities of that turntable and its cart and everything else in your HiFi chain. The Strata is not a silver bullet that will create sonic perfection from thin air. It’s part of a basket of tools that can *help* your system
No, not at all. Both of the mats you own (and I have reviewed) are fine designs and will serve you very well indeed. Not familiar with the third one you have there but you have enough ammo. Maybe turn your attention elsewhere perhaps?
@@TheAudiophileMan it's great to hear from you. Ive been watching your videos for the past year or so and I have enjoyed them. I own a technics sl1200mk2 (2 of them) with upgraded mods to them. I should also mention I have a Copper mat as well on them.
@@TheAudiophileMan here is Herbies Audio Mat - way excellent turntable mat. It is an improvement over the stock mat. However I found that the Funk Firm Achromat Mat improved on that even further, bringing more energy to the music over the Herbies AudioMat I purchased 12 years ago. Improvements I made to the tt are which I did 14 years ago (my tt's are 38 years old) : I purchased ortofon tonearms for the turntable, purchased better feet to improve on isolation from outside sources added damping inside the turntable from Mike new, purchased a mike new bearing for the turntable. I am using my own rca cables instead of the stock rca cables that technics uses on these turntables. I use an external power supply instead of the internal power supply that the technics uses. I went from an mm cartridge to an mc cartridge and am using an external ps audio gcph phono preamp. It is a true audiophile turntable I would put up against an SME turntable. I also have SME tonearms - the 309 & V if I am in the mood to swap tonearms. I also purchased a soundeck cartridge isolator. I have not put it in yet. I made the purchase after seeing your review of the origin live cartridge isolator. Unfortunately I my self cannot justify the $350 expense for it. But it is something to keep in mind if I ever feel the need for a cartridge replacement. herbiesaudiolab.com/products/way-excellent-ii-turntable-mat?variant=12672063799351
Oh no. I love my Hexmat Eclipse. It makes everything so much better. Again an expensive video Paul. Please start your videos at least with a bit of remorse that we will soon have to live with an empty wallet.😂
Reference system is now in the Description. It's a high-end rig to remove it as a variable so I could focus on the sonic differences between the mats. That is, I didn't want to second guess myself by thinking., "Well is the sound because of the mat or...the amp?" or whatever.
Lots of money for a very small 'improvement' it seems to me. I bet the large majority of those who can even use a 5 mm thick mat won't hear the slightest difference. No thanks... They can keep it.
I found a sonic noticable difference when I switched from the stock mat to a herbies matthen to a funk firm achromat. Not as expensive as the origin live as Paul reviewed here. Try it for yourself and check if you can get your money back if you don't like it before purchasing.
The turntable manufacturers should really be providing the optimum components to couple the record to the platter. Surely this is intrinsic to a completely functioning record player?
Of course they should but the reality is that the platter mat is bottom of the list in terms of build budget, it’s the least sexy thing to talk about in the marketing budget and everyone at the company is so fixated on the arm, bearing, motor, etc that the mere mat is almost forgotten about. Even the packaging gets more attention.
@@TheAudiophileManDenon used to in the 1980's with their DP2000 etc. They took the mat very seriously using computers and laser holograms. Unfortunately nobody took any notice as it was a 'nasty' direct drive and it didn't have Linn written on it. I still use a Dp2000 and the Denon mat still sounds better than others I have tried. I guess they were ahead of the game.
@@analoglooney well then I must have a nasty tt as well as I too have a dd tt. And very proud of it too as both of my tts are 38 years old this year. Along with the heavy mods I did to those tts bringing them to audiophile high end.
Origin Live must be grateful for eloquent reviewers like Paul to shine the light on their hard work.
And audiophiles must be grateful to Paul for helping them make informed choices.
It's a great hobby we have. It uplifts weary souls like me sigh.
Why is it when Paul reviews something I find myself suddenly really really needing it?
Paul, your review of the Gravity One puck caused me to buy it and the improvement was obvious. It looks like I will now be buyinh the Strata as a companion for the Gravity One. I currently have the Achromat on my much modified LP12 and have been very happy with it as it was a huge improvement over the Linn felt mat. Excellent review, thanks!
Were you using a previous puck before buying the gravity one?
Somehow by post has disappeared into the ether. Here it is again. Thanks for another thoughtful,considered review Paul. You certainly earn your crust and we do appreciate the effort expended. Anyway your mention of the bass caveat has me pondering and wondering. I’ll have to read and reread it again. I currently use the ubiquitous 5 mm variant of the Achromat which I’m happy with on a sonic and practical level. Thanks again.
I use the 3mm achromat on one of my TTs, a modified RP6 and I'm happy too.
I had a hex mat eclipse.. hated the way it looked on my Denon… and somehow I was getting a ton of static from it? Switched back to the stock Denon rubber mat static went down a lot, I but lost all the benefits of the hex mat… returned the hex mat, got a funk firm acromat….. killer!!! The vocals aren’t as good as the hex mat but it’s very close. And no more static!! Plus much cheaper ! This Origin live has got me thinking though ! Great review!
Well, the Achromat is an excellent product. So no arguments from me on that one.
Wow, I've both the Achromat and the Hexmat Yellow Bird pm's. OriginLive taking the top spot is quite the heavy lift. Thanks for expending the vast effort.
Thanks bro!!
I have a origin live Calypso turntable with the silver arm, shelter 501 Mark II with a microline stylus boron cantilever re-tip.
I'm currently using the origin live upgrade platter mat.
I still haven't purchased the origin live record clamp that you reviewed last year, nicely done I might add.
now I need the strata platter mat ❤.
these items may seem expensive on the surface but considering the cost of turntables, cartridges, preamps and such, and the amount of improvements those components make on your sound. Accessories like platter mats and record clamps are really bang for the buck much better value. I Really enjoy your channel. Thanks Paul for the reviews. 😊
I use the Origin Live platter mat and cartridge enabler on one of my TTs, very happy.
Today finally my Strata mat was delivered by the German distributor. Since you published your video a month ago, I had ordered it directly from origin life to be told that they won’t sell me since they have German distributor. The German distributor told me that it will only be revieled at the high end that they are the new distributor and that they actually have not the product of the prices. Since Origin Life didn’t want to sell to me directly to Germany, I had to wait. Today the wait was over and I could replace my Hex Mat with the Origin Life Strata mat. There is no doubt that on my Thorens TD 126 mk3 with Lustre Sound Tracer GST-1 tonearm, equipped with a MM Transrotor Uccello into an EAR Yoshino Phonobox, the Strata is a strong improvement to the Hex mat Eclipse. So thank you for the review and your recommendation.
Thank you for the review. I was literally going to purchase the Eclipse this week, then I noticed you had a review of the OL Strata. So, no prizes for guessing which I shall be purchasing instead.
On the verge of skipping this video after hearing the price... Yet I stayed and enjoyed your thorough review, Paul. Interesting to say the least, but there are no ways I would see myself buying this one. Even for my mid-to-high--end TT.
This is great news, I will be looking at one of these for certain, not this month though, you really did go to town with this review and I'm pleased that you did, it doesn't surprise me that Origin Live have gone down this route as last year when they introduced new platters to their turntables, it seemed like only a matter of time before more was on the horizon, yet another 10/10 for them and not at ridiculous money either (within reachable distance for many who are serious about their music anyway), thank you for this Paul.
I have the OL original, a Technics original, an Achromat and an Oyaide Butyl. The Oyaide is the best as one would expect being made of butyl, Damping is perfect.
I have that Oyaide …somewhere. Nice mat. I reviewed it for HiFi World magazine many years ago now.
I may try the oyaide myself. It looks so cool!!!!
Thanks for the review. The Stein Music Pi mat is just as expensive and on the opposite end of thickness, as it is paper-thin. It might be a real challenge to this Origin Live mat.
Never heard of that one but it does sound interesting.
Achromat is my personal favorite, works so well with my rega planar 3. looks nice too !
Great review. I have tried many of the mats you covered. I’m currently using a Synergistic Research UEF Record Mat and am very happy with it, but if had my eye on the Origin Live Strata because I’ve had such great success with some of their other products.
I've tried the following mats wit zero audible impact:
felt
cork
leather
acrylic
delrin
achromat
hexmat
I'm glad others see/hear results when they upgrade their platter mat, but I'm never spending another dollar on a mat.
I will say my turntable looks beautiful w/ the acrylic, delrin & Funk Firm mats in-use, but there's no audible difference in sound reproduction whatsoever in my experience. Or if there is a difference, it's so minute that I'm not noticing it.
Music Hall Stealth w/ Ortofon 2M Black LVB 250 cartridge sitting atop a 3" thick slab of maple w/ pricey iso feet. 12v Clearaudio Smart PSU
Black Ice Audio Fusion9 MkIII phono preamp w/ a pair of new old stock Telefunken 12AX7 tubes installed
Eversolo DMP-A6 Master Edition w/ internal linear power supply upgrade & 2TB Samsung 990 SSD sitting atop a 1.25" isolation platform w/ iso feet
Black Ice Audio F360 stereo preamp w/ APOs Ray's Tubes 6SN7 RESERVE tube installed
Emotiva XPA DR2 power amplifier
Arendal 1723THX tower speakers w/ expensive isolation feet
Pair of Emotiva XP12 powered subwoofers (I made nice DIY plugs for the ports and run them sealed). SVS Soundpath iso feet installed
AudioQuest PowerQuest 505 power conditioner/surge protector
Pro-Ject Connect It CC interconnects for the phono stage. 10awg OFC ground cable w/ braided jacketing & rhodium plated spades.
Snake Oil Cables XLR cables for the Eversolo streamer/DAC & Emotiva XPA-DR2 power amp.
10awg OFC power cables w/ Rhodium plated plugs throughout
All gear is housed in a custom maple audio rack w/ 1.5" thick shelves & isolation feet that cost hundreds of dollars.
I know my equipment is not the end all, be all greatest stuff available....but it's not garbage either. Unless you're a multi-millionaire w/ an insatiable love for HiFi, my system should be considered pretty dang nice by most.
...and I say all of this because I'm not a guy w/ a trash system who is expecting a platter mat to make miracles happen. I've taken this as seriously as I can. I've done as much reading & watching as I can. I've spent as much money as I can. I've placed my equipment in the best locations that I can. I've dressed my listening room (which is another luxury most don't have) as best as I can.
I think the average Joe would be happy w/ a $15 to $20 acrylic mat from Amazon if I'm bein' honest.
I'll end this by again saying I'm glad others benefit from upgrading things like platter mats. I wish it'd happen for me, too. ...but after trying out at least 6 or 7 different brands/types of mat...I ending up going w/ the one that I thought looked best.
....so I now have a permanently affixed 3mm Funk Firm Achromat on my tt.
...and it'll stay that way til I pass on or replace it....
An interesting review but what turntable/tonearm/cartridge combination did you use for the tests? Was the VTA adjusted every time a mat was changed? I'm also assuming that a clamp or weight wasn't used in the tests? Thanks
Reference system is now in the Description. It's a high-end rig to remove it as a variable so I could focus on the sonic differences between the mats. That is, I didn't want to second guess myself by thinking., "Well is the sound because of the mat or...the amp?" or whatever. VTA? Yes. No weight or clamp.
I tried weighted pucks but they did not provide good results on my LP12, killed the dynamics and soundstage. The Gravity One has worked well providing the impression of more space and enhanced detail. I’m looking forward to getting my hands on the Strata mat.
I have tried a lot of turntable mats. Have not heard a lot of difference. Rega say just use the mat that comes with the turntable.
Of course they do :)
Hi Paul, that was very interesting indeed, thanks. The descriptive words you are using match up exactly with my findings of the Gravity One puck which, as I commented when you reviewed that product, is great in my system. I shall now watch your new video to see what you have found about the combined effects of the two OL products. PS No Ringmat in your test? That was all over the place for many years.
interesting i use bubble wrap at the moment which i zap with my zerostat once in a while. and it's free. but would love to try this mat to do some AB comparison
Thank you for another insightful video.
Would it make sense to add the Gravity One Record Weight ?
I plan to check that out very soon.
Had an RP 3 for years and had it serviced and replacement motored, but could never get it to 'sing', despite changes in phono amps and cartridges. Kept to the ' Rega ' adice and never changed out the felt mat, then I tried cork, for me every bit as bad and virtually gave up. Then I recently saw your videos and a few others re microphonics and isolation. However, I also came across Acrylic mats as been recommended. As I didn't fancy paying the price equvelpent of a new RP 3 for a mat and puck replacement experiment, great as they maybe, I considered the Hex Yellow Bird, but thought I'd try an Acrylic first, which arrived last week. I was frankly instantly stunned as I'm now getting something along the lines of my expectations . BIG ASK, could you fit Acrylic into your experimental range for an opinion of it's general performance in the rainbow of possibilities between Felt and Origin Strata, as I have finally started to hear differences room sonics and action of acoustic feedback to the cartridge actually makes. Ps also found it makes setting anti skate a breeze. I have now watched many of your videos since coming across your work, so a big thank you.
I stand 'semi' corrected. I just found your 'Goldmark Platter Mat...' video. Semi as the one I purchased has central label area recess and not a raised Island.
Interesting stuff. I have a sound deck on a techniques 1210gr and I most likely will never switch to anything else.
The Revox platter is not flat. So, first is 3M mounting discs, 4 in label section, and 4 at the circumference. This prevents the first felt mat from sliding. Next I tried the Hibiki carbon fiber mat on Amazon from Vinyl Supply Co. versus the LesDavis Magic Mat from Australia.
Yes, your cartridge must be shimmed with a 180 gram LP on the platter. The goal was the best detail of a rock band kick drum. The Davis damped mat sounded most natural. Both with the felt mat with 8 3M dots are top choices instead of the original rubber mat. This is a guide for the many users still finding its straight line tracking a better choice than today's budget turntables. Any of the reviewed mats should work on top of the felt mat secured by the 3M dots which are reusable and replaceable without residue.
Interesting and well presented as always Paul. That's another like from me!
Hi Paul, thanks for the review. I enjoyed it, especially the comparisons. What was your setup like, and did you try the mat with the Gravity One puck?
No puck because I didn’t want to add an unnecessary variable. I just wanted a bare mat to do it’s thing. I’ll add my system to the Description when I’m back at my desk.
@@TheAudiophileMan Thanks Paul, that makes sense. I was just curious if the puck might have “overdampened”, but then again maybe not since some of Origin Live’s tables come with the puck? Either no worries! Cheers
@jharismaiden I will have a try later on so you’re welcome to hassle me for any updates :)
Brilliantly detailed review as always Paul. You certainly earned your crust. The only caveat for me was the bass description. I’ll have to read it again just to make sure.
Hi Paul, good to see you at Bristol hi fi show, was wondering if an acrilic Type turntable ( Rokson Radius 5.1 ) does this need a mat ? Was many years ago a recall listening in 1989 on Signal Radio a spokesman from High Town Audio in Crewe spoke on a show about Vinyl & how it would be around for years to come , at the time I made a mental note of this, as the CD revolution was starting to break through, a couple of years later I began to read Hi Fi world. The sound does sound more musical on Vinyl ! with a good well set up system playing records that I originally heard in the charts in 89 or easy listing classics even with some minor ware, the music shines through the scratches...so I think a better mat will enhance more of this ...
Thanks for your question. I find that acrylic platters fight platter mats because they’re trying to do the same job. Hence, I would leave the platter itself ‘as is’ with no mat on board.
Thanks Paul , maybe a Platter clamp instead ?
See the follow-up modded video for my thoughts on that one :)
Wow, what a review and what a find!
If the purpose of the Pattermat is to compensate for the vibrations caused by the turntable, wouldn't it be important to know on which turntable this test was performed?
Wouldn't it be the case that the most vibrations occur on a beginner's turntable and therefore the Pattermat has the greatest audible advantage? What would be the most profitable way to upgrade, a better turntable or a high-quality Plattermat?
Reference system is now in the Description. It's a high-end rig to remove it as a variable so I could focus on the sonic differences between the mats. That is, I didn't want to second guess myself by thinking., "Well is the sound because of the mat or...the amp?" or whatever. And no, vibration occurs no matter what the level/price/etc. And there is a balance in terms of budget, pricing, etc. Sure. So if you have an Audio-Technica 120x, then maybe a lower cost mat might be for you. But I do list a fair few for you to choose from in the vid.
Hi Paul. I’m definitely tempted by the yellow bird mat , but I’m wondering if it will stick out like a sore thumb on the turntable . So I assume it’s yellow or nothing, which is not going to go down well with my better half .😂 And probably it’s over the top anyway for a rega p3 . All good stuff as usual from your channel . Best wishes and kind regards as always. 👍
Try the Origin upgrade mat. The Hexmat is too thick for your P3.
@@TheAudiophileMan thank Paul will do didn’t pick up on thickness of the yellow bird , so again thanks for the info . 👍
Hi there. Can you add the strata on top of an existing cork matt which sits on an aluminium platter? Thanks 🙏🏼
No and nor would you want to.
Thanks for your fabulous (as always) thorough review Paul. I bought both the Yellowbird and Eclipse on the strength of your previous platter mat shootouts. They are fab. Thanks. Just one question. On the Origin Live website there is the following statement: 'The Strata can be used with almost any turntable. The only exceptions are Origin Live turntables that use the multi-layer platter as they will not benefit from using the Strata.' I have the Origin Live Sovereign MkV which has the multi-layer platter as standard. Upon this I place my Hexmat Eclipse. So here's where I'm confused. The multi-layer platter is not a 'platter mat'... you have to put a mat on it to listen to records and the standard OL upgrade mat is shipped with the turntable.... so... you know where this is going... if you used the Strata Mat, would there be additional benefit???? ... they say I shouldn't!!!! I'm scared now. The Eclipse betters the standard OL mat... so SURELY the strata should... ???😵💫
I hope to do some tests with all of that in the future so either watch this space or possibly my website. Not sure where the final review will hit.
@@TheAudiophileMan That's brill. Thanks Paul.
@@TheAudiophileMan Hi Paul; I just noticed in the description that your reference turntable is the Sovereign.... so was the Sovereign the turntable that you used for the Strata review? I have emailed Origin Live and asked about the statement on their website regarding using the Strata with the Sovereign. They stated that the wording on the website should be changed and that although the Strata will bring more benefit to none-OL turntables which don't utilise the multi-layer platter technology, there is absolutely no reason why it shouldn't bring enhanced benefit when used on one of their turntables. Interesting. If your test was on the Sovereign I guess that answers my question regarding the uplift in quality from the Eclipse to the Strata - it's real! Thanks.
Well I've not seen anyone with a copy of Seasons before. Think i paid about a pound for my copy from a shop next to a chippy in Huddersfieid in 1984. Last played around 10 years ago.
what turntable were you using? do you think that platter mats can be turntable sensitive? Did you use a record weight? I have a Garrard 401, I use a record weight and a copper outer diameter rim weight for warp control.....
Reference system is now in the Description. It's a high-end rig to remove it as a variable so I could focus on the sonic differences between the mats. That is, I didn't want to second guess myself by thinking., "Well is the sound because of the mat or...the amp?" or whatever. And yes, every turntable is a different design and may react differently. A turntable is a team game, lots of mechanical parts have to work together in harmony so how the parts are put together and what the parts are in the first place does have a say. No weight, no. I wanted the mats to speak for themselves.
Was hoping you would have included the SPEC+ AP-UD1a mat in your comparison.
Never seen one of those in the flesh. I'd be happy to look at one if the company would consider sending a sample.
@@TheAudiophileMan That’s why I was hoping it might have been included, never seen one myself either. Would have been interesting to hear your take on it, especially considering your in-depth, and well stated review of these mats!
I have to say that I am impressed with Pauls review of the origin live mat, but does the mat really come in a half split opening ? It looks like it is a split in half in the waiting for a full split. One accident and the platter mat will become two in need of repair.
Well, that's part of the design and part of why it sounds so good but yes, you do have the handle it carefully. That's a downside, to some extent. Saying that, when the mat is in place, hopefully you won't have to handle it again for a long, long time :)
Curious about the test system. did you try it on any other turntables other than the reference system? The Sovereign has the multi layer platter and OL's website says the Strata is of no benefit when used on that. I did read an earlier post where someone asked OL directly about that very same thing and that they reckoned it will be of "some benefit" and that the website needs to be changed. But then they would say that I think, and the website hasn't changed! I do have one on order having been pretty impressed with the Gravity One on my Clearaudio, so I guess I'll find out for myself soon enough.
No, the work load and video length would have doubled or tripled if I have used additional decks. But this doesn't end here. I can always readdress these issues later on, integrating that mat into other reviews or doing follow ups. I have put in a review request for the new platter to see how that works but there's no date yet. It might come to pass that the new platter doesn't need a mat of any sort - acrylic platters don't either, for example. But we'll see.
You couldn't hear the bongo's on your highend system using a felt matt...?!
Yes but they were no where near as prominent or recognisable or as tonally accurate. They didn’t pop, you could easily miss them what with everything else that was going on.
Curious as to where the Funk Firm APM fits in the ranking?
If you wish to do the work, I have compared the Funk Mat with others I’ve reviewed in the past in videos on this channel. That/they will give you a broad overview.
Thanks, will look it up!
Hi Paul great review thanks! Have you reviewed Funks APM Achromat, and how do you think this costlier version matches up to the Origin Live mat. I am a big fan of Origin Live upgrades. Thanks again
I have an APM and I have just ordered a yellow bird and origin live. I will feed back on how I get on.
@@stephenharding428 I actually made a mistake. I read that someone had put a Hex Mat Yellow Bird on top of an Origin Live mat to good effect. Turns out they meant the Origin Live Gravity One so I cancelled the Origin Live Mat. But I will compare the Hex Mat with the APM. I may invest in an Origin Live Gravity One at some point as the results from that seem to be almost universally positive.
Have you tested TEAC TA-TS30UN mat? Seem to be quite interesting
That's new to me. Looks suitably odd too :) I'll make a note.
Only one Mat could top the Strata: the Harmonix TU 800M for 1150 Euro. I love it.
Well the Strata cost 10 times more then the cork mat is it 10 times better?😊
So many questions user-bt8, etc, etc :) That answer depends on you. Im only here to act as a guide. Nothing more. The cork mat? It's a great mat. I used it back in the old days for a long time. It does a great job. Then I moved from there to a cork/rubber mix. I recommend checking that out if you do have cork. The mix does offer a creditable upgrade.
What I love about all this is. The manufacturers tell you their kit is the best. Then they say it can be improved by fitting\using this. If their kit can be improved\bettered, why am I buying it? Why don't they fit all this stuff in the first place? Its basically all a racket to relieve you of as much of your hard earned cash as they can!
I beg Paul not to review an origin live tonearm. I really really don't need another expense on my hands. Hint hint.. please do not review the illustrious, conquerer, enterprise, agile, or renown tonearms. Please Paul don't! I have two turntables and I do not need another mortgage payment on the revealing sound improvements these tonearms will bring.
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I’m so with you on this! 😂
Hello
Strata platter mat, it comes off just as easily as it appears at 2:26 of your video? and what is the right side to place on the turntable, Does it work over vinyls of 7" and 10" inches? Best
Yes, it works with all formats. What do you mean, the 'right side to place'? Please elaborate.
@@TheAudiophileMan One side is printing and the rear of the mat is smooth. Best
Is there any worry of creating a dish warp effect if using a record weight? That looks like a deep pocket at the label area.
If you're interested in the mat then I would go that way around first. That is, grab the mat and with the mat in place, see if you even need a stabiliser in the first place. Even if you do, I don't think there will be an issue though because that central area is also the bottom, hardened layer which appears to be pretty stable all on its own.
Would you consider doing a video about determining if you need to use a weight or clamp? I've always used one because I thought it was part of eliminating vibration. Perhaps you've already done one?
@bgroovin1343 watch out for next week’s video.
So by buying this Strata can save you on a better quality turntable and stylus?
The Strata will hopefully allow your turntable to work as advertised. Removing vibration, noise, etc. You still need to pay attention to the basic qualities of that turntable and its cart and everything else in your HiFi chain. The Strata is not a silver bullet that will create sonic perfection from thin air. It’s part of a basket of tools that can *help* your system
What turntable did you use for the comparisons?
All hardware is listed in the Description.
Too costly for me, will stay with my Technics 1600 rubber undercoat platter & platter suspension
Crap. I just got the soundeck platter mat. I also have the funk firm mat which I liked over the herbies mat. The herbies mat looks much cooler though.
No, not at all. Both of the mats you own (and I have reviewed) are fine designs and will serve you very well indeed. Not familiar with the third one you have there but you have enough ammo. Maybe turn your attention elsewhere perhaps?
@@TheAudiophileMan it's great to hear from you. Ive been watching your videos for the past year or so and I have enjoyed them. I own a technics sl1200mk2 (2 of them) with upgraded mods to them. I should also mention I have a Copper mat as well on them.
@@TheAudiophileMan here is Herbies Audio Mat - way excellent turntable mat. It is an improvement over the stock mat. However I found that the Funk Firm Achromat Mat improved on that even further, bringing more energy to the music over the Herbies AudioMat I purchased 12 years ago.
Improvements I made to the tt are which I did 14 years ago (my tt's are 38 years old) :
I purchased ortofon tonearms for the turntable,
purchased better feet to improve on isolation from outside sources
added damping inside the turntable from Mike new,
purchased a mike new bearing for the turntable.
I am using my own rca cables instead of the stock rca cables that technics uses on these turntables.
I use an external power supply instead of the internal power supply that the technics uses.
I went from an mm cartridge to an mc cartridge and am using an external ps audio gcph phono preamp.
It is a true audiophile turntable I would put up against an SME turntable. I also have SME tonearms - the 309 & V if I am in the mood to swap tonearms.
I also purchased a soundeck cartridge isolator. I have not put it in yet. I made the purchase after seeing your review of the origin live cartridge isolator. Unfortunately I my self cannot justify the $350 expense for it. But it is something to keep in mind if I ever feel the need for a cartridge replacement.
herbiesaudiolab.com/products/way-excellent-ii-turntable-mat?variant=12672063799351
Hexmat Eclipse is the best on the market......trust me.
No.. My Copper mats are. 😂😂😂😂
I do have a Copper mat on my tt.
Oh no. I love my Hexmat Eclipse. It makes everything so much better. Again an expensive video Paul. Please start your videos at least with a bit of remorse that we will soon have to live with an empty wallet.😂
Must let us know ur turntable tonearm cartridge
Reference system is now in the Description. It's a high-end rig to remove it as a variable so I could focus on the sonic differences between the mats. That is, I didn't want to second guess myself by thinking., "Well is the sound because of the mat or...the amp?" or whatever.
Lots of money for a very small 'improvement' it seems to me. I bet the large majority of those who can even use a 5 mm thick mat won't hear the slightest difference.
No thanks... They can keep it.
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I found a sonic noticable difference when I switched from the stock mat to a herbies matthen to a funk firm achromat. Not as expensive as the origin live as Paul reviewed here. Try it for yourself and check if you can get your money back if you don't like it before purchasing.
Paul, you lost me at the 27th second of your video, when you told the price.
Due to the timing accuracy, it was obviously a traumatic moment for you :)
The turntable manufacturers should really be providing the optimum components to couple the record to the platter. Surely this is intrinsic to a completely functioning record player?
Of course they should but the reality is that the platter mat is bottom of the list in terms of build budget, it’s the least sexy thing to talk about in the marketing budget and everyone at the company is so fixated on the arm, bearing, motor, etc that the mere mat is almost forgotten about. Even the packaging gets more attention.
Only in the audiophile industry would someone brag about having a high-end tt mat.
@@TheAudiophileManDenon used to in the 1980's with their DP2000 etc. They took the mat very seriously using computers and laser holograms. Unfortunately nobody took any notice as it was a 'nasty' direct drive and it didn't have Linn written on it. I still use a Dp2000 and the Denon mat still sounds better than others I have tried. I guess they were ahead of the game.
@@analoglooney well then I must have a nasty tt as well as I too have a dd tt. And very proud of it too as both of my tts are 38 years old this year. Along with the heavy mods I did to those tts bringing them to audiophile high end.
@@jediknightdiscomike22Which DD do you have? and is the force with it? Give me a Quartz DD any day over that belt drive rubbish.
295£??? For less than 200€ i got the APM by funk firm + shipping.
No way this one is better.
Would you get a better return if you spent the £295 on a better cartridge 😂
That depends on your turntable, your budget, etc. Maybe yes, maybe no.