The Pacific - Gunny Dominates Lieutenant
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- A boot commissioned officer is beasted on by a senior enlisted.
Scene from the HBO TV miniseries, "The Pacific" Part 5 - "Peleliu Landing"
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UPDATE: A lot of people are making generalized, and often stereotypical assumptions about junior officers. I intended this video to be interpreted as a harmless piece of humor, and not as a mockery towards young officers. All officers are different in their own ways and respect should be given based on the individual's merits, work ethics, talents, ect., and not his/her commission or where/how they received it. I encourage everyone to read this: futurejarheads...
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Hello! I played the Lieutenant in this scene. I had no dialogue and only one scene but Dale Dye (a movie military advisor you have seen in Band of Brothers, Under Siege and countless other war films) took me aside and spent 15 minutes giving me the statistics on the life expectancy of a 2nd Lieutenant, telling me personal stories about guys he knew and basically giving me the same attention he would have given a much bigger role. Amazing guy and one of the greatest moments on set of my career.
that sounds really cool! thankyou for sharing.
Thanks for sharing
So what was the life expectancy of a 2nd lieutenant?
That's dope insight..hope to see you in more roles..keep on keepin on
Thanks for the comment that’s awesome man
Love the Captain in this. Guy knows that nobody outranks range safety, and he isn't afraid to back up his NCOs in front of other officers, especially when they're right.
Don’t confuse your rank with my authority.
Though performing CPT (Coy Cdr)'s duty, guy looks like a full LT.
Bullets don’t care whether your uniform has chevrons, bars, or stars.
Mark of a good Captain
@@76JStuckinah i’d say they prefer that if anything
The Captain's like: "LT, if you wanna pick a fight with a gunny, bring tank support and leave me out of it!"
Tank support? You'd better be calling the USAF Missilers to break out those launch keys for those Minuteman IIIs and even them, there's no guarantee that will help against a Gunny or any other E7 or above
I remember yelling at a 1Lt as an E4 running a range. Thought for sure I was gonna lose my rank
@@someguy2393 Not if I was around. I would have your back.
D.I. SSgt Morris
Although senior enlisted personnel have more combat experience than new officers who don't have it, the former is still required to respect the latter as an officer.
@@dallasyap3064 Yeah exactly. Lts should show an almost deferential level of respect to the sergeants but a sergeant straight up threatening a Lt is too far.
I spent almost an hour reading stories in the comment section of this 42-second video clip.
Comment section was why I came here. Got back from NTC a few months ago. 2LT was on his phone (no one was supposed to be on their phones at all) Top saw him on it and chewed him out in front of everyone LOL. Should have known better.
I have entire playlist just dedicated to reading the comments section in videos.
@Bobby Allen That must have been fun to watch. The BDE XO, or maybe it was the S3, can't remember, apparently did a shit job at NTC. The OCs , I heard, tore into him. I really wish I could have been there for that.
Great vet stories.
Same. There are many good stories here.
I call BS on this scene. There is no way any gunny/drill sergeant would be that calm on a range screwup.
I see what you did there
"If you drop your grenade, ole Drill Sergeant here, is gonna grab a big ole arm full of some of that sweet Georgia air, and that sweet Georgia air is gonna send you flying behind that concrete berm, to shield you from the blast, but I won't lay my hands on you!
It's based on a historical event recorded in Sledge's "With the Old Breed" (I think). You're right, this is a tamed down response to what actually happened.
I was a PMI at Edson Range at Camp Pendleton. I/we instructed all recruits one full week before going on the range the do’s and don’t’s. So a complete ass chewing with major time in the pit was required when a rule was broken on the range. Trust me on this many recruits that broke a major rule usually pissed themselves (true) with fear due to 2 drill instructors, myself and the range supervisor all yelling at a recruit at the top of their lungs for the violation. It only took one recruit on the range to all to see the ramifications and it that was that was needed for the week. Well until the following new group of recruits. Attention to detail is was is taught in the Marines. Which includes marksmanship. As we used to say it’s the dope behind the weapon and not the dope on the weapon on why you don’t hit center mass every time.
Mh, we had a Sergeant who punched a soldier at the firing range. Reason? Turned a 7.62 rifle towards him, LOADED.
Retired General Hal Moore is quoted as saying to a graduating class at West Point...."if you have a good Sgt shut the hell up and listen"
Christine Wolf Hal Moore was a great leader during Vietnam him and the Sgt remain friends for their life's. The funny thing I remember seeing was Hal Moore and sgt major. plumley at West point Hal invited Sgt major plumley to come up and talk and a West pointer cadet stands up and tries to shake hands with the Sgt. But plumley just ignores him and walks towards Hal Moore.
Amen
Good advice for any officer. Good NCO's are worth their weight in gold.
Well yeah who would be dumb enough to take on plumly? This guy went into nam with only a pistol and lived.
@@jtm726 judging from what I've heard, it sound 'bout right
Three Lieutenants were trying to cross a rough river in a storm. God appeared before them, granting them one request each.
The first LT said "God, grant me the strength needed to cross this river."
God gave him the muscle mass and endurance necessary; he swam across the river, reaching the other side in fifteen minutes and almost drowning thrice.
The second LT said "God, grant me the means needed to cross this river."
God gave him a kayak and paddle; he paddled across, reaching the other side in ten minutes and almost drowning once.
The last LT said "God, grant me the intelligence needed to cross this river."
God made him a Sergeant; he pulled out his map, realized there was a bridge just a few hundred metres upriver, and reached the other side in five minutes.
Not that I'm being a Trollinator BUT provided THAT the bridge wasn't rigged with traps or mines or deadly obstacles as a challenge eh? Well then again the 3rd Lt could have also requested some engineers or had make-shift materials - JUSt in case bridge was afterall - dangerous and rigged ...
I would have just said: "God, take my men and I safely to the other side of the river". End of the story.
Cool joke, by the way =)
muffinpot You seem to hate this imaginary Sergeant don't you.
joe belton
He did take it a bit too fair, didn't he?
muffinpot Yea right, Like the LT would know how to call for fire without killing his own men.
There are 2 rules for the Gunny.
1. The Gunny is alway right.
2. If found wrong, refer to rule 1.
Or 3. If Gunny is proven wrong by a Sergeant Major, rules 1 and 2 do not apply
@@chrismc410 4. Rule 3 doesn’t apply if SM is violating safety rules and standards. Gunny is then permitted to help the SM unfuck himself
Rule 5. *YOU WILL NOT LAUGH, YOU WILL NOT CRY!*
@@Brecconable rip to a legend
Rule 6. You had best unfuk your self and start shitting Tiffany cuff links
I once asked a Sgt Maj how does feel about some pos lieutenant just out of training being able to order him around?
He said Well technically they can, but if they know what's good for them, they wont.
Wufongtan: I was ASM of a Cav Sqn and saw probably 12 young 2nd Lts go through. They were always courteous and good blokes Of course all our soldiers did the right thing and saluted them in the Mornings and at the end of the day.
That's absofuckinglutly cofuckingrect!
I was a young Army infantry lieutenant once and I knew and serve with a LOT of other fellow lieutenants. All of us went through rigorous screening and training for that role, some candidates were screened out during that process, and very few who made it would I have characterized as a POS. Also, I never once witnessed or even heard of any of us trying to order a CSM around; would not have even occurred to any of us to "order him around" as the CSM reported directly to the battalion or brigade commander. In my experience there was proper respect and deference given and received both ways between junior officers and senior enlisted. I don't know which branch of the military you served in, IF you really did, but evidently one that lacked discipline, professionalism and esprit de corps.
@@dutchjennings1705 Well said!
well said. I watched the West Pointers & ROTC butter bars learn that the hard way after myself & 20 other OCS lieutenants reported for OBC at Fort Sill back in 1996.
I've seen a 1st Sergeant chew out a Major for waving his weapon on the range.
Probably because he didn't call Top when he killed that hooker from the week before
Absolutely true regarding firing ranges - doesn't matter what sort of emblem is on your uniform, you're unsafe, you're going to speak to the messenger of god in short order.
He should.
That's better than what happened to me. I went to the range and had my gun pointed at a 45 degree angle (briefly) and was yelled at. The Lt. Next to me was waiving it around and the same guy said "ma'am if you would just holster your gun" in the most pussy whipped tone.
The range officer *always* has the "right of way", even if he isn't commissioned :D
One day as an O4 I had to wear my dress uniform for inspection. I wasn't paying attention and had my expeditionary ribbon upside down. Before the inspection a senior NCO standing about 2 feet from me announced to the enlisted men if any of them wore an expeditionary ribbon pay attention because it was easy to place it upside down. He didn't call me out in front of anyone out of respect and courtesy. I immediately knew the message was for me because only a few other people wore the ribbon and I had made a mistake. I excused myself, went a few feet down the hall and corrected my ribbon. He knew I heard his message because I immediately fixed it in private and came back looking with my uniform corrected. By fixing my mistake immediately I didn't have to thank him but should have. But he understood my thanks for his subtle message and not calling it out to everyone else. That was the mark of a great NCO.
That's great and all, but this scene was about firearm safety....bit of a different situation.
Of course you didn't aim a gun at someone you liked though.
I love this scene. It just goes to show you that no matter what branch you're in, there isn't a single person that outranks safety
In the US Army War College report on gas mask training deployment in ww1, the officer authors recount with glee a seargent answering a top brass officer's question of, "Is this a drill?"...with..."Shut up and put your f**king mask on!"...as the proper way to train.
When the seargent is angry, I think it means the lesson he is trying to teach is a matter of life or death.
Oh yeah? I guess you’ve never been around Naval officers.
@@josephbell3397 That’s why God invented Marines.
- respectfully, US Army vet 🤣🤣🤣
@@CorePathway One of many of my regrets: not joining the Marine Corps. Thanks for your service.
@@josephbell3397 naval officers can be very snobby depending on where they come from (usually naval academy is the biggest tell tale). That behavior gets sorted in the submarine force, I can’t speak to the surface fleet.
How to be a lieutenant in a war film
- Be tall and thin
How to be a general in a war film
- Be short and fat
How to be a sergeant in a war film
- Be old and muscular
How to be the protagonist in a war film
- Be super skinny and naive
@@NoCountryforme but the Pacific has 3 protagonists and BoB the protagonist is a lieutenant to captain to major.
Most 2nd Lieutenants/Ensigns are in their early 20s. Hence, usually skinny. 😅
🤔
Funny thing is Richard winters the protagonist was Lieutenant for 6 episodes and he is tall and thin in band of brothers
3 stars out of 5. Lieutenants usually aren't thin in movies about old wars, but they are tall, just like they were mostly in real life. Generals in movies are short and fat......no, not sure where you got that. Protaganist, yah kinda, that works.
First Rule of the Range: The Rangemaster is GOD...do NOT piss him off.
BlackDeathViral03 In ROTC my Master Sergeant fucking yelling at when my weapon jammed and he took it apart to find out that the firing pen was loose. funny times
Always keep the weapon pointed downrange!
and if you want to know the other rules,simply go back to rule number 1!
Well, the first rule is probably muzzle awareness. The lack of which will certainly piss off the Rangemaster.
Second Rule of the Range... DON'T mess with the wildlife
Have heard friends of mine who are veterans tell me that countless times as there is ALWAYS SOMEONE who wants to play Steve Irwin (God rest his soul) and gets hurt by either by playing with some poisonous snake or sees something cute and furry and wants to pet it
The Gunny is based on Elmo Haney. He actually threw coral in the Lt's face. Sledge said in his book Haney would constantly clean his rifle while talking softly to himself as well as performing bayonet drills by himself. I guess the Marines kept Haney, a WWI vet as some kind of novelty since he wasn't actually in the command structure. In his book 'With the Old Breed' E.B. Sledge said everyone taking a shower stood in shocked silence the first time they saw Haney scrubbing away at his manhood with an abrasive brush normally used for cleaning canvas. Haney was a Marine's Marine.
The Marine corps had a tradition (perhaps still does, I don't know) of being an all professional force, with soldiers that became NCO's one week, and a few weeks later were back to being privates for some stupid thing they did... Meaning the Marines had some very professional and highly skilled soldiers with quit a lot of experienced troops.
I do believe however that the older soldiers all were promoted to NCO status when WW2 started for the US, due to extreme increase in numbers, and therefor lack of NCO's with experience to lead the men.
bandholm Oh I'm sure if anyone had an ounce of experience they were prime NCO material. The officers of course just needed a college degree showing they were certified idiots in many cases.
Disturbed Not-Quite-Man-Yet I guess so. I was listening to Sledge's audio book 'With The Old Breed' and he said Haney used a brush normally used for cleaning canvas.
+James Robert I'll look around and see if I can get it on paperback.
Disturbed Not-Quite-Man-Yet The audiobook is right here on youtube fyi.
"I first saw him exert his authority one day on a pistol range where he was in charge of safety. A new second lieutenant, a replacement like myself, was firing from the position I was to assume. As he fired his last round, another new officer behind me called to him. The lieutenant turned to answer with his pistol in his hand. Haney was sitting next to me on a coconut-log bench and hadn't uttered a word except for the usual firing range commands. When the lieutenant turned the pistol's muzzle away from the target, Haney reacted like a cat leaping on its prey. He scooped up a large handful of coral gravel and flung it squarely into the lieutenant's face. He shook his fist at the bewildered officer and gave him the worst bawling out I ever heard. Everyone along the firing line froze, officers as well as enlisted men. The offending officer, with his gold bars shining brightly on his collar, cleared his weapon, holstered it, and took off rubbing his eyes and blushing visibly. Haney returned to his seat as though nothing had happened. Along the firing line, we thawed. Thereafter we were much more conscious of safety regulations."
-Eugene Sledge, With the Old Breed
Awesome book.
Let's all freak out and not use common sense.
I know it's Hollywood or whatever but why are the depictions in this show so different so often from the source material?
@@XaviRonaldo0 probably because they wanted the viewer to know that the gunny did this to someone who outranked him, and that his superior still agreed with the gunny.
Showing him running away crying doesn't tell you that. It's simply efficient storytelling.
Yeah, whatever. You do that shit in real life to a superior and you are in trouble until the end of times. You will regret that miserably. That’s just BS. Real world is full of nasty egomaniac vindictive people.
That was cool. Of course it isn't about the gunny but rather the gunny as range safety officer. No one upsets the range safety officer. I saw a full bird colonel apologize to the range officer for a silly mistake when qualifying with the M1911A1.
My platoon sergeant actually said in front of our platoon to our shaved tail LT with NO deployments ( west pointer) " No sir, we're not fucking doing that because that's fucking retarded." You better believe this if you have not been a combat soldier in a war zone, strong experienced NCOs will not fucking tolerate bullshit and they run the show.
"strong experienced NCOs will not fucking tolerate bullshit and they run the show."
---Truth. You speak it.
nothing better than a butter bars reaction to being checked by an e6
The best butter bars show up and relinquish true command to the PSG.
Yup, they watch and learn.
And they should. God bless training personnel.
God bless all 2nd Lt's. Unless they have a map and compass.
Are you referring to Sobel? :)
Even though he was a Captain?
HA!! I might just be. But I was lucky enough to have good platoon leaders when I was in '83-86.
wcatholic1 god bless west point and Annapolis , not 90 day wonders . No Lieutenant would think he knows more then a carrier marine or solider
What does fantasy figures like "god" have to do with anything? Oo
Gunney earned that rank and the priviledges that goes with it!
Do you know the difference between a PFC and a 2LT?
The PFC's been promoted.
Twice
@@CrimsonKingOkie in the Army, yes. But just once in the Marines.
I once had an Ensign as an OIC. Nice fellow, had some good chats with him. Stopped by his office one day and asked him the difference between an Ensign and a PFC. He didn't know. A PFC has been promoted once, I said. He thought it funny and laughed. We went about our day. Good memory.
Fair winds and following seas to all.
Good one.
Nobody outranks the RSO on his own range.
Chesty Puller came across a 2nd Lieutenant dressing down a young Marine for not saluting him, and was having him salute him 100 times. Chesty reminded the Lieutenant that all salutes have to be returned.
Chesty was the most Marine's Marine that ever Marined.
Chesty also judged his units' performance by how many LT's were killed that week.
He also fined himself $100 for accidentally discharging a pistol indoors.
😂
Chesty was a true Marine and a man of Honor
Fucking 90-day wonder 'butter bars'
The Rangemaster is like a Old Testament God. Lots of rules, no mercy.
But he has reason for his rules.
"A sergeant in motion outranks a Lieutenant who doesn't know what's going on."
In defence of snotty nosed 2nd Lts everywhere, they can mature. We got a new Platoon Commander straight outa Sandhurst, Cambridge and Eton. A short man, with a bit too much pudge around his waist. After a month of silly decisions, fuck ups and gentle reproach from our Sgt and Cpls he did mature into a fine officer. The only one in a year long tour who didn't avoid a single patrol or get himself a CP/staff job as soon as. He later took the battalion to Afghanistan at the early age of 40, I was long gone, but the battalion did very well - one of his young guardsmen won a VC, among a host of other medals for the battalion.
2nd Lts don't command platoons, they're there to observe, learn and mature, the smart ones say half as much as they see. They are being developed so they can command companies and battalions which is the officer's goal. It's unfair to a lot of hostilities-only officers in WWII, to expect veteran level regular soldiering. They had 90 days training and suddenly command of men, some of whom may be veterans some with less training than themselves. Turning up and doing the job deserves some credit. The rest of the credit goes to the Platoon Sgt's. It's whether he ever made that same mistake again. Which I doubt.
+David Rendall Well said. Live and learn.
great comment. I guess you have to learn some way and our way seems to do pretty well. I hope I don't catch heat for this comment I just mean well as a military, not the operations we do.
+David Rendall its just the nature of leadership,the human condition gets in the way,i was in the marine corps as an 0311 and ive seen alot of shitbags regardless of rank that come and gone,though what you said is pretty spot on with the exception that alot of fresh 2nd LTs are thrust into the infantry platoon commander role from the get go and mostly halfway into a training cycle before a deployment so everything becomes a clusterfuck hah,i think also 1st LTs dont get alot of credit,there usually the first ones to correct or advise on new 2nd LTs on improvements
+scantrontheimmortal - In my mob (British Army) the Company 2iC was responsible for the junior officers development, which was usually a captain (we had majors commanding companies) with all subalterns reporting to the Battalion Adjutant, also a senior Captain. The difference between 2nd and 1st Lts? We used to call them : 1st forwards and 2nd thoughts. In WWI the life expectancy of a 2nd thought after he arrived in the front was six weeks, and they had the highest fatality rate per capita of any branch/service. The first batch can be excused as they knew no better, but for those volunteering for that role year after year you gotta have respect.
+David Rendall My dad was a platoon Sargent (weapons platoon no less) in the U.S. 40th Division during the Luzon campaign in WW2. They were a Federalized National Guard unit, which is usually a bad sign, but his captain was, as he described him, a pudgy, effeminate individual who actually had some sense. They were even facing Yamashita, probably the best Japanese general of the war. The company and even the division did well... sometimes you just never know.
I was in the peacetime Marine Corps in the 80s. Our master sgt(known as Top), a Nam vet was sitting in our office one day leaning back with his feet on the desk when a 2nd Lt. walked in and asked if we knew where the CO was. Top replied "The Hell if I know". The LT got mad and told Top to stand up at attention when talking to an officer. Us low ranks were watching intently. Top replied and this is a quote I remember to this day "I've had more time jumping out of the back of 6 bys(troop transport truck) then you have had in life". I remember the butter bar stuttering something about telling the CO about this before he walked out the door. We thought it was done when Top yelled down the hallway "GEORGE! YOUR BOOT LUEY WANTS TO TALK TO YOU!"
After that day Top was our idol. We would do anything for that man.
this is real. a us navy chief petty officer didn't salute a rookie ensign. the ensign asked the chief that he forgot something. the chief paused for a moment. reached into his pocket for a quarter and gave it to the rookie officer and said "here is a quarter so you can call you mommy and tell her that you've met a real sailor". :)
+Adonis Guy I bet he had that quarter in his pocket waiting for such an occasion. :-)
tojiroh yup. :)
+Adonis Guy When I was a young boot going through Combat Engineer school I was walking down the road and talking with one of my instructors who happened to be a gunny with 14 years in. It was a Friday morning so we were in Chucks. We pass this butter bar on the way to the Company office and gunny doesn't salute. The next thing you here is the bootenant saying "Gunnery Sargent I know we salute Officers. Gunny stops, turns around points a knifehand at his monster stack of ribbons smirks turns around and keeps walking. Before we turn around the O-1 says "Aye gunny"A year later in my unit we are moments away from an Alphas inspection when our brand new O1 asks our platoon SGT where his Alphas were. SSgt points at our PC's coat and says "I dunno sir where's the rest of your ribbons".
LOL
I was one of the NCO’s who would walk the firing line when our company would go to the range to zero and qualify with their M16. We carried a cleaning rod with us to make sure the weapon was clear after firing it. I smacked a 1LT over the helmet we he tuned his rifle away from the targets and at the soldiers behind him. I thought he was going to cry. He started telling me he was going to bust me for it until our First sergeant smacked him too. No more was ever said about the incident.
God bless you for saving your men.
Never served (disabled), but spent a lot of time at firing ranges (God bless 2A). An act like that would get you kicked out, maybe beat up, and possibly a call to the ATF just for payback.
@@samuelzuleger5134this might be the funniest thing I’ve ever read. Thank you
I'm the mid 90s we had a 2nd Lt right out of school. We had him help us "check the shocks on a bradley". A Bradley is a Bradley Fighting Vehicle. It is a troop transport with a 25 MM chain gun. It looks like a small tank. So he gets up on the deck and we have him jumping up and down for over five mins. We are serious at first telling him to "jump higher" "jump harder". Then we all just couldn't take it anymore. We laughed and laughed about that.....and got in trouble with the CO! So worth it
"Shave Tail" - It comes from the days when draft mules were used to pull Army wagons. Wherever a new mule was added to a team their tails would be shaved short so that the drivers would know which mules to keep an eye on knowing that those new mules would give them the most trouble and would require much more attention than was needed for the other mules in the team. Hence the name given to Second Lieutenants by NCO's... for pretty much the same reason...
Mules didn't pull Army wagons, those were horses although their tails were shaved unless the wagon driver wanted to get hit with horse crap and to prevent distracted driving from the horse's tail.
Actually they would take material from the back of the enlisted mans shirt bottoms to make epaulets so they could use the same shirts as officers.
I'm having just as much fun Reading the old war stories in the comments!
same :D
What’s up with your profile pic dude... like seriously
And an ordinance technician in a full sprint outranks everyone.
A smart officer ALWAYS listens to his senior NCO. Be it a Staff Sergeant (British Army), a Gunny, or Sergeant Major. As General Hal More (Rtd) once said: "When the Sergeant Major spoke, I shut the hell up and listened"
I think this has been the rule since before the pyramids were built.
I thought for the British Army the RSM was the senior NCO
@@chrismc410 Only for discipline A lot of RSMs have forgotten that the WO1 QM and the WO1ASM outrank them
It happened at my unit 2 Cav Holsworthy 1980 The RSM marched into our ASMs office demanding that the ASM appear on his parades.
The ASM grabbed the Law Manual and the RSM and marched the RSM up to the CO.
The upshot was that the RSM could ask the ASM to go on his parades but could not order him/ The W01ASM outranked the RSM
Good I did not like that RSM anyway but I must say he never interfered with my Sqn
@@jacktattis143 judging from your acronyms, British Army or just about any Commonwealth's Army?
@@chrismc410 Australian Army 20 years and a bit.
My heart was not in it anymore I had a friend who did 46 years
Shout out to the great Aussie actor Gary Sweet who plays the Gunny in this scene, probably one of the very best Australian actors IMO!
Wow yeah, I even listened to it back again looking for Aussie slip ups and his accent is perfect.
I can spit it out in a heartbeat:
1. Treat every weapon as it were loaded
2. Never point the weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot
3. Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to fire
4. Keep your weapon on safe until you intend to fire
Be aware of what is in the background, but maybe that's just for cops and hunters.
“Treat, Never, Keep, Keep” 😂😂😂😂 the diddy
#Delta Force My Finger is my safety other words their weapons are hot at all times
Treat never keep keep!
You forgot #5: Always know the state of your weapon.
Gunny is always fucking right
What if he get in conforntation with the Sergeant major?
@@MichalSoukup1995 Did he fucking stutter?
The gunny is always right, period.
@@MichalSoukup1995
Michal...? U see that British flag next to shovel??? Yet he knows... gunnys are the last resort.... cause you cross their line... might as well go surrender, your life will be easier! Nightmare story over!
My father was in the Army 31 years, and retired a Master Sergeant. His last duty was in Saudi Arabia in the late 90's. He was appointed as acting First Sergeant.A second Luey was giving my father a hard time when the CO walked in the office.He took the Luey to the side and said "Top has something that you don't that's more important than rank, that's Experience. If you want to move up then you should make sure Top is your friend. If you make him your enemy you don't have much of a future"
You know the word for word quote that the officer "pulled him to the side" for?
@@jacktattis143 wrote "The Saudis hate your guts and yet you are protecting them." ... Jack, we protect plenty of people that hate our guts. American and non-American. Even the unAmerican pieces of shit involved in a "peaceful protest" get protected by the American system, no matter how many buildings and cars they light on fire.
It's just the way we roll here.
It's different than the way YOUR fabulous, world power government does things. It's the responsibility we have because we're the biggest and strongest. You're not. You can get by with a lesser level of responsibility. We just plain don't expect YOUR country to respond to any problem that pops up, anywhere in the world. The world expects MY country to respond.
We even host a web based forum where YOU are invited to come and tell us that we are stupid. We'll even protect your worthless ass.
Let me know if you need anything. I'm paying taxes this month.
@@diegofianza3525 I don't know who you've been talking to but First Sergeant in the Army is E-8, not E-7 and the high year tenure for promotable Master Sergeants and First Sergeants is 30 years currently. Add in the fact that the Army permits people who come up against their high year of tenure to finish the remainder of their enlistment term, so it's not at all unreasonable that a guy could retire as a Master Sergeant with 31 years of service.
@@jacktattis143 UBL was an heir to a construction fortune, not a Saudi Prince. UBL was trained by the CIA to be a combat commander for the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan fighting the Soviets during the Soviet-Afghan War (see Charlie Wilson's War)
@@diegofianza3525 not everyone gets that chance, sorry to say, only enough spots open and changes when we need soldier quote or not, war time, easy, none war time, someone has to retire before you can get that position and sometimes that's a long wait with 100,000 other joes.
I worked in a Navy personnel office on Torii Station Army Base just north of Kadena AFB on Okinawa in 1973. Our department head decided that he wanted all of us clerical type people .45 qualified (maybe because he was concerned that chucking our typewriters at invading Viet Cong couldn't guarantee us a OSS).
I was in a lane to the immediate left of a young sailorette, one of the first non-medical WAVES assigned permanently on Okinawa. She had just started in working in our office a few days earlier. In WAVE boot camp they then didn't weapons qualify so it was her first time with any gun of any kind.
Being a female type sailor, her dungaree blouse buttoned from the reverse of the men's, so the opening gapped to the left instead of the right. While we were shooting rapid fire one of my ejected hot brass flew into the gap in her blouse, and then wedged deeply into her cleavage (she was VERY well endowed).
She was quite surprised, upset, and vocal... and waving a .45 around in one hand while she danced across the range grabbing at her chest with the other. I was the only one who knew what happened, and I was dying laughing while everyone else scattered until things got back under control. I think the range Gunny put his retirement papers in the next day. Just couldn't handle these new-fangled ideas about women on the firing line.
She eventually forgave me, and in a few weeks we will celebrate our 47th wedding anniversary. (She's since learned much better range manners, and I try not to give her any reason to regret going with me.)
Great Story...
Happy Anniversary and God Bless
Well thats one hell of a way to meet your wife.
Nice to know. Thank you for your service. Serving army man here
And that's how children, I met your mother.
I took a girlfriend shooting. She was rather "blessed" and I warned her to not wear a low cut top. She didn't listen to me because she was a bit of an attention whore. At least she put the pistol down before doing the hot-brass in the boobies dance.
A Marine Gunnery Sergeant was called to the officers mess one day. Sitting at a table with 03 officers he proceeded to advise them that he could tell their backgrounds without them ever speaking. He looked at the Captain and said "I see your drinking black coffee, you could use a shave and you sit where you can see the door so your a mustang / former NCO. He then looked at the 1st Lt. and said "your clean cut, drinking coffee with cream and sugar and have good manners so your probably upper middle class with college and ROTC." He then looked at the 2nd Lt. and stated " Your an Annapolis grad." The first 2 officers nodded approvingly that the gunny was indeed correct, the 2nd Lt. asked "How on earth could you tell I was an Annapolis grad? Does the superior academic training and education show that much?" The gunny replied "NO, I saw your class ring while you were picking your nose." :) Semper Fi......
BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!
Ah - but Sergeants if not Non-Commissioned officers sure know their thing ...
Thumbs up to this one.
Nickuncle
lmao...
+HeirofGojira91 I have seen plenty, far too many, NCO and SNCO with their heads permanently up their ass. Just because you hit NCO or even SNCO doesn't really mean you know your stuff, it just means you know how to get promoted.
I really like Ack-Ack's character in this series. "Don't look at me Lieutenant. Gunny's right".
Cute they named the charachter after a nickname for triple A (Ack Ack)
@@michaelmckinnon1591 That's no "character". Ack-Ack was a real person.
@@SalimSivaad it's his nickname then and he was an anti aircraft gunner
@@michaelmckinnon1591 No, he wasn't. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Haldane
@@StaffordMagnus Ack Ack is a name that's either given to antiaircraft weaponry or antiaircraft gunners (doesn't matter how often) it's never given to anyone or anything else.
That guy forgot the basics of firearm handling and got reprimanded for it. Always stay focused and never be ignorant.
STER Gaming safety IS Paramount! Everyone is range safety officer.
Ok then absolutely no post 1984 college grads who are more ignorant than the KKK and that's saying something.
Damn right the Gunny’s right. Muzzle discipline is one of the VERY FIRST THINGS you learn in any firearms training.
Christ, I've done airsoft, not even aiming at other people, at wall targets, and I still would take my finger off the trigger each time I would then ready my aim to a new target.
@JnEricsonx I'm serious about this: anything that has a trigger of any kind (i.e a squirt bottle for cleaning) I keep my finger off the trigger. Reason being is that I own and carry concealed, so I want to drill into my head to never put my finger on the trigger until I'm ready to use it.
ALWAYS pointed down range
@@boozaboi1 or at the ground, away from your feet. That’s another one I see people do all the time. They’ll just dangle the gun pointed directly down. I actually knew a guy who blew off two of his toes with a .45 being an idiot. People tend to be pretty good about avoiding sweeping their barrel at other people but aren’t nearly as careful when it comes to pointing a gun at themselves. I’ve even seen guys scratch their head or adjust their hat with a hand that’s still holding a pistol.
So I met this Nam vet years ago when I was in the military, he told me about some brand new officer out of the academy showing up to take over as platoon leader after their old one got wounded and sent home. First engagement, they had two hill bunkers with MGs open up on them and pin them down in a clearing, the fucking new guy platoon leader immediately orders them to set bayonets and charge. The platoon sergeant belayed the order, drew his 45 on the officer and told him to shut his fucking mouth or get his brains blown out. After they called in some 155mm from a firebase, laid some smoke, flanked the positions and took them, the rest of the platoon made it clear to the platoon leader that if he tried to report the sergeant, they would gladly frag (kill) his ass, bury him out in the jungle, and report him as MIA.
Moral of the story is that the platoon leader doesn't run the platoon until the platoon sergeant says he can.
22steve5150 That is why some countries like own make officer candidate serve one year as a private before receiving his commission, because inexperience can't be the reason why you get your platoon killed
22steve5150 HAHA FUCKING BUTTERBAR
22steve5150 "A Sergeant in Motion out ranks a Lieutenant who doesn't know what the fuck is going on"
"A Bomb Tech in a Dead Run outranks everybody."
:3
The platoon leader doesn't have to wait for any approval from the sergeant. Unless that's a sergeant that needs to learn his or her place. The platoon leader has to prove himself or herself as a valuable platoon leader, and that is the real seal of approval (s)he needs. This whole "platoon leaders can't lead until the sergeants say they can" is balloney.
Briseur De Lance
You just said the same thing as me but in different words. that's what "until the PSG says he can" means, the new PL has to prove himself a valuable leader to the PSG and senior enlisted in the platoon, as they are the only guys in the platoon senior enough to know the difference between a good PL and a bad one, plus they are the ones who have to work with a new PL to get him up to speed when it comes to mid-deployment replacement while in a war zone.
The throwing of the shell casings (Coral in the original story) Was to keep him from pointing the weapon at him. To throw him off balance intil he got himself within arms reach.
This reminds me of the time I stayed in a hotel on a holiday with some guys. I found a massive knife in a deaw so i pull it out to show them. Suddenly im tackled and the knife is ripped from my hands because "its dangerous to hold a big knife".
@James Nuttes I mean, he did throw a hand up but kept the the pistol pointed at the ground. I'm sure anyone would keep the weapon pointed down in a situation like that.
In my opinion, I would've just thrown them without even thinking whatever you claim. Boots will be boots and they learn. OR they become salty af in a few years and then stop giving a fuck.
@@_random3906 it would have been the last time he throw anything except potato skins.
@@sgtfoley2 Look again. My man just sweeped the other marine with the pistol and maybe the Gunny for a few seconds
I stood next to a Captain getting yelled at like a schoolboy by our Companies Sergeant Major at the grenade throwing range. I am just a lil scrubby Sergeant so I saw to it that I slowly backed away. The Captain was in a terrible mood the rest of the day just looking for excuses to destroy enlisted personnel.
Wait they can do that?
Wont he get a dishonourable discharge for disrespect?
I knew some armies, hierarchy is important. If Gunny does that in those armies, next thing he know he'll be caned
Abcd Efgh depends. If they’re being chewed out for not following safety protocol it’d be justified.
@@marlonbrando5794 😳 now that is real justice
@@AbcdEfgh-sq2tf No not on the range it doesn't matter. On the range safety is important that's why they give you so many briefings on the do's and don'ts. Safety is priority one. So. If you're on the range and see someone doing something unsafe you have the right to correct them. Especially if you're flagging people.
Look kids, as an NCO and former scout with the 101st airborne I will tell you how it works ok? Much of it has to deal with personality type but typically, A 1st sergeant or anything close to that is like a God. You DO NOT fuck with a Gunny/1st sergeant...ever. As a matter of fact, by the time NCOs get E7 they're close to untouchable. The CO is busy and usually has about 10 less years of experience so he leans on the 1st sergeant as his right hand man to get shit done. The LTs DO NOT AND NEVER fuck with a 1st sergeant because they know the CO will just support the 1st sergeant/gunny in whatever they need. We had an incident in Afghanistan where our XO and 1st sergeant almost got into a fist fight and the CO just let them sort it out. I will tell you again, in real life...and especially in a war zone, senior NCOs with multiple combat deployments have the power of God at the company level.
Yeah, I'm sorry brother. Your E7 was weak and he should have done the right thing, pulled that LT aside and if that didn't work, gone to his 1st sergeant to get shit done. Our 1st sergeant was a Ranger, my platoon daddy was a Ranger, and my CO was a ranger too so i was lucky they were all on the same page. In our troop, our officers had a healthy respect for our NCOs, but we had NCOs going on their 5 deployment.
cease fire! cease fire,! unload, clear, and lock. All clear on the left, all clear on the right. All clear on the firing line.Shooters with a complete safe weapon step away from the firing line.
At jump school we had a sargent tell one student Lt if he did not like his orders he could get the Colonel of the school to repeat them
As a buck sergeant I once chewed out a major for defying the base commanders orders. I even offered to personally escort him to the commanders office under guard. He declined. Later we met and he had the grace to admit he was wrong.
You went to jump school, but you can't spell "sergeant"?
@@siler7 so can't spell so what does that have to do with jumping out of planes
siler7 Stephen Hawking had a problem with spelling. Why’d you feel the need to point out something so simple?
Just remember- life gives you many chances to be an asshole. But those can be chances to be graceful as well.
@@siler7 Petty comment.
This always reminds me of a good Chesty Puller story. Chesty finds a Lieutenant reprimanding a private on guard duty who missed a salute, the lieutenant orders the private to salute him 100 times. Chesty says that the Lieutenant is right to make the private salute him 100 times, but reminds him that an officer must return every salute he receives.
When I was first a Marine, I was deployed to the Autumn. One of the Master Chief Petty Officers kept wildly pointing his gun around. But hey, when you're nickname is "The Demon” I guess gun safety doesn't matter.
Edit: Why tf are you all arguing about this bullshit? I made a shitty Halo joke, go flame war somewhere else.
Niklaus Manuel D I don't understand a god damn word you said...
Niklaus Manuel D their not AR’s in the military
Troy Mustgrave they are in his "military" :P
Maybe it's AR for "Assault Rifle"
Niklaus Manuel D AR in AR-15 actually means Armalite Rifle as Armalite was the company that developed the rifle.
My father was an E-8 hand to hand combat instructor at Ft Bragg 67-69 where I was born. Then I was in the Army, my schooling instructor was a Marine Corps Artillery Gunny... really respected that guy. Now 20 years later I work for the veterans admin, and my supervisor is a retired Gunny.... it's a good feeling earning these types' respect
My dad was at Fort Bragg from ‘68-70. Perhaps your dad instructed mine.
Not Ft Bragg anymore… not woke enough.
I respect all NCOs, especially as a junior officer, you rely on their experience and wisdom to survive and do what's best for your unit.
a good junior officer will listen to his senior NCOs until he gains enough experience to know what he is doing. a Great officer will continue to listen to them long after.
What does this scene have anything to do with NCO
Gunny is SNCO
Or did you just want an opportunity to broadcast you are an officer in something...
@@davidswink6653 A Gunnery Sergeant ("Gunny") is a Non-Commissioned Officer, or NCO, rank of E7. E-7 and up are considered senior NCOs, but are still NCOs.
@@dmstrobel no shit Sherlock
Go call a gunny 1st shirt or sgt major an NCO
The NCO is the backbone of the armed forces, is what i was always told.
I love how Gunny just looks over as if to say, "What are you going to do? Report me for doing my job?" Damn, this is so true. They did not fuck around on the shooting range in the military.
I was in the Coast Guard and I've seen master chiefs rip into Lt. Jr grades for doing stupid shit.
Army here, watching the sergeant major completely destroy an idiot LT for losing his rifle (yes, he actually put his rifle down in the woods and walked off, we spent 2 days looking for the damn thing before we found it) was pretty amazing.
Same here...and it was awe inspiring.
In the CG myself, as a E6 EM I once had the Dept head (Ltjg) tell me--to tell the Master Chief EM--that the MC must have the jg permission to give me work to do. OHHH what a fun day that was.......
@@fuloran1 seen that happen God what a nightmare when some knucklehead loses his rifle.
A brand new 2nd LT came into our tank platoon at the motor pool one day, carrying the TM for my M48A5 Main Battle Tank while I was tightening the lugs on a road wheel and he asked me.."Corporal, how much torque are you applying to those lugs?"
I looked up at him and said.."Until they fucking creak...sir"
M48A5 ?? Geez, that is..an...old...tank! M48A5.....M60A1.... M1 Abrams et al
PappyDC1
I'm old..Thats what we had in South Korea at the time.
Fucking RAH!
Your a god
Respect from a Israeli tanker brother
I left active duty after 8 years (1985), but stayed as a Weekend Warrior through the 1st Gulf War, I had the secondary MOS 8531 Marksmanship Instructor, I was at Camp Pen to Coach Weapons Qual, nothing happened at our range, but the range next to us things were different, we had just gotten the New Kevlar Helmets (Heavy as HELL), that was fortunate, because during rifle qual, a LT (2nd or 1st) don't know, was switching shooting position from prone to sitting, but the LT failed to make his weapon safe, getting up from the prone position, the LT had his finger on the trigger and the barrel pointing at a young enlisted Marines Head and the weapon went off, the round hit the Young Marine in the head, because he had the Kevlar it saved his Life, but it Knocked him out, the Range Coaches immediately "DOG PILED on THE DUMMY LT", even though it was an accident, it was preventable, if the LT followed Range Safety Instructions it wouldn't have happened. "Semper-Fi"
Rip LT dude about to be court martial for sure.
My old man - a veteran firearms instructor - literally beat my ass for making the same error when I was 15, and rightfully so. After 13 years, I think I still have his handprint on my face. On the plus side, I haven't pointed a firearm at anything I didn't intend to shoot ever since.
Assaulting someone that's holding a weapon seems more dangerous than the initial error.
Nio Smisson You don't think his old man made him put the weapon down before kicking his ass?
An unsuspecting young Aramis419 lowers his weapon as the old man rolls up his sleeves*
Why didn't he just teach you that *before* handing you a gun?
Nio Smisson not everyone wants to kill their parents
Yesterday here in Oki we were at a range. RSO was my personal section leader, a rather salty Sgt. saw a pog Lt who was at the range with us rest the barrel of his loaded M4 on his boot. Went off on him hard. Every Marine on the range stopped to watch him grab the M4, clear it, and chuck it (smashing the Lt's kevlar in the process).
The CO laughed.
I remember during morning PT formation my platoon leader, a butter bar, tried to tell the 1SG to do something. To which my 1SG yelled, "I dictate to you sir, learn the rank structure!" Mind you this in front of the whole company.
I only recall one our CPO I'm told chewed out an Lt. but pretty much the officers left the CPO's alone and didn't bother them.
I caught the end of something that happened with my 2nd Lt and my 1SG grabbing his left arm, leading him off and doing that "quiet yelling" a parent would do in public.
Later on he was at the range doing the "No Brass No Ammo" and pissed off beyond reason. that was OSUT 12-Bravo 2000. That Lt was gone by the end of the week and we didn't get another for a while.
Question: What's the most dangerous weapon in the world?
Answer: A 2ndLt. with a map & a compass.
Oh god. :)
The most dangerous thing in a global war is the American Army as your Ally ...... They kill more friendlies than their enemies !!
Yes no matter your rank, the weapon is ALWAYS pointed down range. Rifle or pistol. First thing you are taught during Grass Week at Parris Island. Semper Fi from an old Marine Sgt 1973-1977.
A Lieutenant, a Captain, a Major and a Gunnery Sergeant
are sitting around a camp fire. The Lieutenant, bragging about his
exploits says "You guys aren't so tough, I once parachuted down, marched
fifty miles, and killed everyone in sight." The Captain is
unimpressed, and says, "That's nothing, I once made a beach landing,
marched 60 miles, and killed everyone in sight." The Major
is unimpressed, he says "That's nothing, I once swam 10 miles to shore,
marched 70 miles, and killed everyone in sight with my bare hands."
Thoroughly impressed, they all look over at Gunny and he's dead
silent, just stirring the coals of the fire with his dick.
Man, I would be terrified to do anything wrong in the marines.
That's what the marines want, I'd imagine.
That's the way it has to be. Firearms have no loyalty; they do what they're made to do and will kill anyone, friend or foe, on the business end. It's so much better to suffer the mild punishments of training than to suffer the severe ones in war. During my second deployment to Iraq, a sergeant didn't properly unload his machine gun and one of his men ended up blowing his own head off. I think that sergeant is still in federal prison. A mistake during training will only result in an ass-chewing if you're lucky. A mistake in war could cost many lives. There is a reason military discipline is so harsh.
Doing the right thing is actually easier than you think. Most servicemen do the right thing and all one has to do is go with the crowd.
+Indifferent Centrist Was the bloke cleaning it or something?
I'm not saying I doubt you at all, but I find it hard to believe that an experienced soldier could make such a fucking stupid mistake and then kill someone by accident.
Man of Wealth and Taste It looks like he was. Whatever he was doing, he was pointing it the wrong direction before the range NCO (the gunny) could verify that it was clear. And experienced soldiers make mistakes. His issue was that he was a green lieutenant. Lieutenants are the lowest officer rank in the Marines and I've seen some (I was in the Army) make some big mistakes. All it takes a single, momentary lapse of discipline.....
pat moose in the marines the smallest thing gets you smoked or leave revoked .
I was a medic in the army in the early 90s. Had a Captain call me (a specialist) and try to order me to take one of his troops off profile because he needed him in the field.
I said no sir I can't do that it would mess up his surgical repair. Then he gave me an order to do it. I told him he just issued an illegal order and asked for his batallion C.O.'s name so I could make a report to mine and they could have a chat.
He hung up the phone :)
Then the whole bus clapped
@@Klonkus Then all the nurses clapped.
fucking boomers
wow dude so sick you’re so much better than him good for you bro!
@@Klonkus Whatever snowflake
In my opinion, the Lieutenant was lucky the Gunny only chewed him out. I'm sure some Gunnys have done worse things to those who aren't safe on the range.
gcHK47 No they are like a big teddy bear ;))
He could've been kicked in the nuts for such a fuck up back then.
God I hate these B.S. stories by people who have NO idea the way the PENTAGON works.If the higher ups thought for a second a bunch of enlisted had killed an officer making the higher ups vulnerable to such behavior is not happening. And no smart 1SGT OR Gunnery Sgt would commit career suicide by CHEWING OUT publicly a person who with but a word could have him checking meal cards at the dining facility
robert chandler Safety rules and regs apply to all personnel without exception.
Let me guess, in your mind, a real world Gunny would take off his cover, creep up to the LT and say, “Excuse me, Lieutenant. You were pointing your piece in the wrong direction. Will you please not do that anymore?”
Doesn’t work that way.
Unless said enlisted man either A. Gives zero fucks due to age, grizzle, or status or B. Already has the respect of the other officers above the officer he intends to offend. In either of those cases it isn't career suicide it is just another day in the US Armed Forces.
Any safety officer or NCO will give anyone a dressing down, maybe except top brass if they handle that weapon unsafely.
This is fundamental in every military worldwide.
Constantine Joseph When I qualled with the marines they told us straight out, if we turned around while holding a rifle we would be shot no questions asked, we all kept muzzles pointed downrange.
Constantine Joseph Hell, even Chesty Puller fined himself for discharging a pistol on accident.
At least chesty puller gave himself a lenient punishment. You can be charged for poor and unsafe handling of munitions and can lead to detention in a sententious barrack. Almost like an army jail. Weapons are super dangerous weapons. My country had one very tragic case of a scholar sergeant who was 19 years old who was fooling around with live ammunition and m16 with his platoon mates. Accidental discharge by playing around with the weapon as the bored soldiers fooled around in the barracks. One soldier dies for no reason and he gets locked up for 20 over years wasting his scholarship at top US universities, lost career lost chances of building a family, basically losing everything. Because of one moment of utter folly.
I'm sure there was Parole. But my country has severe firearms laws and even more severe military laws for negligent discharge. Besides it is illegal to chamber a loaded magazine without orders from an officer to load a firearm for no reason.
Well it's a shame because he was a top scholar and a bright student who would go to the U.S. and study in an Ivy League university.
+Constantine Joseph Weapons are super dangerous weapons. Lol wut..
This reminds me of all the stories from the first world war about the gung ho new lieutenant coming to the trenches, in a sector where the troops have learned how to get along with the Germans, and demanding that the men go out on some reckless mission to no man's land. The sergeant in charge would then have to get the lieutenant's superior to tell him that that just wasn't the way they did things there.
I watched my 1SG take his butt stock to the side of our XO's head because he reloaded and kept firing after top called ceasefire. My 1SG was one hell of a soldier he had a soldiers medal and the audie murphy medallion as well as a silver and bronze star. The LT. was written up and top was verbally reprimanded. The colonel spoke in front of the company and said it was an on the spot correction not an assault on an officer he said because the LT. failed to follow verbal commands he was given a physical command. New officers learn real quick or get taught the hard way.
I remember one time I was in a gun store and I accidently swept the owner with one of the rifles. I quickly realized what I had done and told him I was terribly sorry. He accepted my apology and told me it was no big deal. At least I didn't have my finger on the trigger. I try to be as careful as I can when I have a weapon in my hand loaded or unloaded.
6 Aug, 1990. My platoon was on DRF 9, helping the rest of the 82nd Airborne push out as QRF to what would be called Operation Desert Shield (later, Desert Storm). We had the task of guarding Green Ramp gate, connecting Ft. Bragg marshalling area to Pope AFB flight line, a tightly controlled access area. Day 2, and who comes walking up, thinking he had automatic access? Chief of Staff General Colin Powell himself, and his posse of lackey officers, none of which were on the checkpoint access roster. Not only did I deny his request for access, I also had my M-60 Gunner lock and load on his ass. When the dust settled, the CSM coined me for doing something every recruit is taught in basic. And Powell never did get in.
Sounds like you are racist tbh
@@JavaoftheLava and you sound like some whiny little b*tch, playing the race card, trying to make an issue, where there obviously isn't one. Please explain ANYTHING that even slightly resembles 'racist'. In fact, how do you even know what race I may be?
@@JavaoftheLava following, Day one taught, general orders is racist?? Somebody alert TRADOC!!
Gunny - we need more men like him in today America
They're are still plenty of good ones in the Maines today.
My dad was ets'ing when he got back from VN. Some fresh 2nd LT walked somewhere in vicinity (not immediately past) and decided it was a good time to dress him down for not saluting him. 1st Sgt saw the whole thing go down and proceeded to tear into the poor LT, finishing each remark with sir. My old man had a chest full of medals, CIB, gunship wings, 3x purple heart, 2x bronze stars, etc, etc. The LT had like 2 or 3 ribbons. Top made damn sure he was aware of it, too. My dad still laughs about it to this day, 50 years later.
Bless your Dad
Semper fi
I watched our Battalion SgtMaj chew out my Battery COs ass. It sounded about the same.
LOL
In "with the old breed" gunny Elmo Haney didn't throw shells, he threw coral gravel.
I like how the first thing he can pick up is bullets, so he throws bullets lol.
The Chairman Hey, if you had something like that thrown at you, it would hurt too.
Paul Johnson
True, it's just funny to me lol.
@david toler Oof.
As my grandfather (who, as squad communications NCO, was issued an M-1 Carbine in Korea) said, "Better to throw that shit than shoot it!"
Then again, before getting his radio, he was used to carrying the squad's BAR. Combine that transition with the fact that most Korea-era M-1 Carbines were WWII surplus stored in shit conditions in Japan, then used in below-freezing temps, and the magazine springs sucked, and you can understand why he hated the damn things.
In real life he threw coral gravel. Hard to say what would have been more painful
When I was in the Navy, I saw a Chief (Navy equivalent of a Gunny) verbally rip apart an Ensign to the point where the Ensign was visibly at the point of tears; the Ensign looked over at the Department Head (usually the rank of O-4 or above) as if to beckon for help, and the Department Head said “Good job, Chief. Set him straight” and carried on.
If you have bars on your collar, do NOT fuck with Senior Enlisted. They’ll eat you for breakfast.
They will eat your balls for breakfast.
But a good senior enlisted will show the ensign how it's done and hopefully they listen to Chief
The NCO's were the only combat veterans in the unit so they were extremely valuable. The LT's were a dime a dozen
I was once in a training zone ( Only blanks in the magazine ) and my Sergeant commanded my unit to take aim ( Training our firering position ) He then told us to look at him. In my head, I heard it as direct orders as in " Aim - Now look at me, but still aiming ". I aimed my weapon at my Sergeants, and I swear to god, my heart stopped as he looked at me. He let me off easy, because I fucked up prior to that day, but holy shit, I was sure that I was about to get shot.
John Corleon lmao xDD
Should've kept your weapon where it was aimed, and turned your head independantly.
That is hilarious though hahahaha
+Trump Who does a dumbass belong to?
Donald Trump
Don't call people stupid if you can't even use the right your in a sentence. So *you're* a dumbass.
Even tough you fucked up, the Sergeant after that incident probably never asked anyone to look at him after ordering them to take aim.
I would guess he did it on purpose to see who would fuck up his muzzle discipline. Where I live instructors tend to do this when testing people who applied for a concealed carry permit.
You follow the man that will get you through it, regardless of the rank.
Reminds me of in Band of Brothers Doc reamed out winters for not putting the morphine syrettes on Mooses jacket. Winters was a Captain and Doc was something like a corporal.
Yup. Doctor outranks everybody when it comes to medical matters.
@@SvendleBerries Doc outranks everyone regardless. Even when they're the ones receiving orders. Pissing off a gunny is one thing, to piss off the man that is there to save your units life is another. Have to remember, one is about preemptive safety, the other is quite literally a balance of life and death. One tidbit of crucial information left out can be fatal, hence why you always do as asked by your doc.
We did a range briefing while I was in the Army where the staff sergeant managing the range said this about the LT: "We will have one LT present as required, he will enter the tower as we arrive. He will proceed to place his hands on the chair set we have set aside for him. He will then sit down and remain seated on his hands until the range is completed and will not leave the tower until instructed to do so."
The LT was standing next to the SSG as he was saying this and when he was done he simply nodded his head and said, "yep!"
Seems a bit excessive, but idk how big your unit was. I've been in units where new officers were paired up with experienced NCOs and assigned to do a range and they usually went fine.
@@greenbrickbox3392 It was III Corps HQ Battalion. Specifically the Signal Support company. It wasn't uncommon for NCOs to run things where officers typically did. Hell when I was first stationed at Ft Hood, my platoon didn't even have an LT. Our SFC was acting Platoon Leader and one of our SGT's was acting Platoon Sergeant. As for size of the platoon, it varied greatly depending on the mission.
@@taemien9219 ah that makes more sense
When I was in Quantico as a range coach a sergeant ripped a LT a new asshole for firing after cease fire after 2 warnings. Dude got dropped. It was pretty funny
This clip should be played in hunter education and CCW classes. It’s not some silly little piece of metal or a fucking nerf gun, treat it and the people around you with the respect they deserve.
Absolutely! I tell my boys, this can be fun and it should be fun, but you follow the safety rules as you would the Word of God.
Hilarious!!!
When I was the RTO for my platoon, my PL told me to make sure that he was always up on the etiquette and appearance of infantryman. This started because one day I told him that every time we went on patrol, his kevlar was always off center, amaking him look like some private who was 2 weeks into basic.
He was a cool dude, a dork, and always listened to his NCO's. Very few officers are like that.
Thinking about him now makes me wish I had kept in contact with him.
I used to work at a little sporting goods store that was owned by a retired Marine tank commander who became an instructor. We had a board with pictures of amazing Veterans, some I had the honor of meeting.
We had a few pictures of a MGySgt that was basically a walking idol that *NOBODY* messed with. This Marine walked around with his hands perpetually stuck in position. One hand curled to hold a cup of coffee and another to hold his cigarette.
The man was respected by everyone. Why? His uniform was literally *COVERED* in color. To say the man was "well decorated" would be an insult. The picture I liked most was the one that showed the amount of respect. Every single soul in the hall was standing.
To say a picture is worth 1000 words... more like 1,000,000...
Former Marine and I can tell you I've never seen an officer outshoot an enlisted man. I'm sure it happens but taking on a Gunny at anything is a fool's errand. Gunny's run the Marine Corps.
And "allow" the officers to think that they do.
That's utter crap...Officers just borrow the Corps.. It's the NCO'S who really run the Corps.
@@davidtucker7219 Of course that's true. Had your moment? And now time to suck it up, you always need someone doing the officers' job.
I wonder if it would have been more fitting if the scene was more faithful to the original text by having the Gunny throw coral gravel square at the lieutenant's face...
+hconnell171
Got THAT right. I can think of two more just off the top of my head.
***** I've read also where some of the Vets whose exploits were used in both series were none too happy about the "creative license" in the productions.
+Brian Bois Gilbert "How dare you claim to have killed all those people! That was *me*!!!
When I was young, I used to think "what's the big deal!?"
Now: even a child holding a toy gun by the barrel makes me cringe.
I felt this scene (whole heartedly)
I was a CWO3 flying dustoff missions at KHE SANH in 68. On one mission under intense NVA fire I came in to pickup a belly full of wounded MARINES right after landing they started loading wounded and dead into my bird. Gunny walk over to me and while idling said "YOU WILL TAKE GOOD CARE OF MY MEN" I replied without hesitantion of course I will Gunny. He saluted me and said "GOD BLESS YOUR MOTHER". And away I went it took everything to get that overloaded bird airborne.
God bless your mother indeed. Well done.
@@jasonrist6582 I did 17 missions in 4 days was shot in the lower back and received a bronze star with oak leaf cluster. Never gave it a moment's thought they were and still are my brother's after 52yrs. I quietly weep when walking my four legged girlfriends in the woods every day. THANKS MAN
You saved a lot of lives doing that. Be proud.
I once saw a dustoff crew getting hassled by a captain for dirty flightsuits in the DFAC in Iraq.... amazing how quickly multiple field grade officers appeared from nowhere and made that captain regret being an asshole.
@@danielboatright8887 Just like in baseball, there are unwritten rules to this lifestyle
That guy was tough as nails in real life. Led his men until he had to be evacuated due to exhaustion .
The Gysgt in this scene, was the Range Officer on the shooting range regardless of location. In the USMC Range officers are the absolute authority on the shooting range, whether temporary or permanent. A Range Officer can be any rank from a E-1/E-8 to O1/O9 in the USMC, but what ever rank a Marine Range officer maybe, he will be the absolute authority and can discipline Marine shooters at his discretion but only while on the range, of course within proper military protocol. 2nd LT. in the USMC obviously do out rank any and all enlisted ranks, although this young LT's as in real life are instructed to observe, learn and carry out their duties as instructed from the enlisted personnel who will generally teach them their MOS's. Now when young 2nd LT's screw up and like this Gysgt carries out the discipline in such a fashion, it will be up the CO whether it was proper or not, and at Gysgt rank a E-7 the CO will generally agree.
That's what it looks like here. The other officer wouldn't step in to help the lieutenant, knowing that the gunnery sergeant was right.
You know what that sounded like to me? BLAH BLAH BLAH
Gunny is always right @@seandavila835
having been an active duty US Marine in a combat MOS. I can appreciate this. I never saw this happen to an officer, but I did see it happen to another lance corporal. It is a direct message to the safety violator, and also an indirect message to everyone else. Safety is paramount, but I never wanted to be chastised in public by a senior sergeant or staff non commissioned officer for doing something stupid . Especially on a live fire range. I still carry that image with to this day every time I step onto a range. Just so you know there was always a trusted Marine on over watch behind the line with a loaded magazine in his rifle, "just in case".
is tigerland a movie? no real life, camp Pendleton ca. 2006
johnson2141 Tigerland was a movie, but a terrible one
Johnson: No not in our army ever No loaded weapons behind the shooters
By 2012, the USMC was seasoned with plenty of salt dogs and yeah plenty of officers got an ass chewing from NCOs and SNCOs. The highest ranked personnel, I have seen get a good ass chewing was a corporal to a major and a sergeant to a colonel. The colonel took it on the chin. In a different occasion, the major, not so much until his Lt. Col saw what was happening and once he realized who the corporal was. He got the major in parade rest and made him apologize to the corporal and told him let him do his job. And that was the end of it. Somethings never change.
The Range Master is not God, he outranks God. The difference is that God knows it.
Ha! Im old too...one if the last M60 A1 classes at Ft Knox...19E
Later trained as 19K Abrams etc
Same here.
Basic and 19E training during Fall and Winter of '85, then 19K training for a month January and February '86.
This is why like Mustang Officers
Tyber Zann agreed. Thry aren't snot nosed turds, fresh out of OCS. Mustangs are experienced and mostly repeatable folk.
Except for one O-6 and a butterbar I only saw once in basic, all my officers were mustangs or warrants.
The war movies, in most cases, are dead wrong. NCOs ROUTINELY tell LTs what's what. They're usually not this brutal when they do so, but I couldn't count the number of times and ways I saw NCOs up in the faces of LTs, telling them what's what. Happened to me several times, and the vast majority of those times, I probably deserved it as I, too, was a green LT with the shine still on the gold bars. It's only when NCOs change their approach to 'suggesting' v/s telling you stuff, that you realize you're no longer a complete moron LT in their eyes.
My grandfather tells this story. He was the #1 shooter in his battalion during basic training, near the end of WW2. He has a medal for it my dad has...I guess it was out of a few hundred guys. He grew up hunting and all that. I guess in basic training, there were some city slicker types that were kind of mumbling about the recoil hurting from their M1's. The way my grandfather told it, the Drill Sergeant was like 5'7 or something like that but tough as a bent nail. This guy doesn't say a word...just walks over to these recruits who were complaining about their arms hurting, grabs the rifle from one of them and snaps a fresh enbloc in it with 8 new 7.62 rounds, mounted the stock right on his CHIN, looks over top of the peep and bam, bam, bam...shoots all 8 rounds pretty darn close to the paper on whatever he was shooting at downrange. Hands the M1 back to the dude and says "With this weapon...I can kill a man with my FACE. I don't want to hear one more f---g word about your arms unless Germany sends you home without them. Now get back on the line!" He always smiled really big telling that one.
In Finnish Defense Forces there's a saying "The officers are the brain of the Army, but the NCOs are the backbone of it"
Basically meaning that if an officer is lost, shit will still go forward, if somewhat rudimentary(ly?). But if a NCO dies, fuck all is going to happen unless someone is going to go and fill the SLs/orwhatever shoes.
So yeah, everyone gets, or atleast should get, how important NCOs are to the grand scheme of things.
This coming from a Reservist FDF 2nd Lieutenant.
+SoleSurvivor
It's like Chesty Puller says in his speech at the start of the show.
"You men, the NCOs, are the sinew and the muscle of the Corps."
The first things the Romans did right when creating their army under Marius? A professional NCO Corps. The NCO's are the ones who get shit done.
It has been argued that the reason the German army during WW1 was so effective/though, even compared to WW2, is because the German NCO core, was one of the most advanced in the world at that time
Well this saying use to be in the US military where the NCOs actually ran the military. Till Nam when everyone bitched to their senators about how tough the sergeants were to them. The NCO Corps of all services back then were strict and tougher than today's.
I wouldn't let myself get more than 6 feet from that Gunny if I was on some stinking beach getting shot to shit. He was a great addition to this series.
He removed himself on the 3rd day, not even a seasoned WWl veteran like him could bare the heat. He earned it though, my grandfather was a m/sgt with the 2nd Marine division over there, I cannot fathom how the marines put up with those awful conditions, no water. God bless em' all.
This reminds me of back in the day when i was in college. I hung out with several ROTC marine/navy guys . We were at the rifle range shooting and couple times I would swing the rifle around up in the air etc. One of the guys kept reminding me point down range. He was real cool about since I wasnt military.
Only thing I'd call bs on is the gunny being so calm. He would've out that officer in the dirt he had a flagging like that.
This is accurate.
When I was in the Corps (P.I. class of '79), generally speaking rank was rank..
But out in the field right was right and took precedence in almost all cases, especially when peoples asses were on the line.
Senior Staff NCO's, especially combat vets had a special status and were given respect that officers knew they just couldn't match. These were the real guys at the tip of the spear.
My friends Dad(Korean Vet) said during Korean War his Company had Vets from WW2 Pacific. He said The Majors, and Captains, would listen to the NCOs and Vets advice, due to the experience they had.
After serving four years on a DDG , then serving two years as an MP on shore , I went to my third command , a CG , as an E5 . One day on the range while qualifying with the 1911a1 I had a partial feed . So I rapped the rear of the slide , the cartrige went into battery , and I finished the rest of the course . A Gunner's Mate E5 told me that they weren't allowed to teach failures to feed on the range ,and not to do that again . I told him that the MPs taught me how to clear malfunctions , and asked him if he would clear any malfunctions for me in a firefight . The Range officer ( the ship's Gunnery Officer , O3 ) , and I were shooting buddies off duty . So I was allowed to clear my own weapon malfunctions. The Gunnery Officer , the Torpedo Officer , and several of us radarmen would go on shooting excursions in the deserts of California. The Skipper knew about our off duty ' fraternizations ' at the range and was cool with it . Gunner went on to join the SWCCs , and Torps became an ANGLICO with the Marines .