I found tools in their 130 piece tool set unmachined!?!? I had a stubby screw driver that was a blank!! I took it back and they tossed the entire set and gave me a new set on the spot, which was nice. No debate needed.
HF aside, you make EXCELLENT videos. Clear, easy to understand, no annoying background music/noise, no silly extended intros, no infantile pop-up photos, I wish others did this.
I'm impressed that Harbor Freight called to have an honest discussion with you instead of going to some cease-and-desist or other heavy-handed method. That speaks well of the company. Plus, it sounds like you had a non-confrontational, informative conversation wtih all involved.
I found tools in their 130 piece tool set unmachined!?!? I had a stubby screw driver that was a blank!! I took it back and they tossed the entire set and gave me a new set on the spot, which was nice. No debate needed.
Agreed. They could have lifted their noses and say "you're nothing but a youtuber". But they did make contact to explain their situation. I will give them props for their action.
companies have evolved. Send a cease and desist letter and the youtuber shows it and you're the bad guy... Have your lawyer call the youtuber explain "Libel" and demand a second video which includes a list of prepared statements you're the good guy for not sending a letter and you got the youtuber to basically make a free commercial for you.
Not surprising at all. They should send Dave $10K in coupons for free tools for the free promotion. Dave gave them a marketer's dream in testimonial and eyeballs.
Good video! I stopped in the middle to make this statement. As a 72 year old guy restoring a 56 Chevy, after having a house fire many years ago and losing all my tools, Harbor Freight is a God Send!! I am able to stock my new small shop with all the tools I need to restore my Classic Chevy and not have to break the bank like I use to when I bought my tools off a tool truck! If it were not for Harbor Freight, I would not be able to enjoy my retirement project! :)
Case in point. I had a SnapOn set of beautiful wrenches, that cost me over $300 back in the late 80's. I have no idea what those cost now. When our home burned, those SnapOn tools were subjected to intense heat. My 9/16 wrench now fit a 11/16 bolt. And SnapOn would not warranty my tools. Heat apparently is not part of the warranty. So, I had to start all over again with my tools. Thank God for Harbor Freight!!
I didn’t mention Snap On in my comments. I too own them, love them, but don’t advocate for them anymore for the very reasons you stated. They don’t honor their warranty. But if you research wrenches, Snap On didn’t test as well as other brands that cost less. I research every major tool purchase now.
I've been a Harbor Freight shopper for a number of years, and I've really seen an remarkable improvement in the general quality of their tools. I still tend to go for name brand power tools.
I have harbor freight grinders and oscillating saw. Also a compressor. Otherwise just hand tools. But I have seen great improvements over the past couple of decades.
@@jerometruitt2731 same. Hercules is straight up better, especially the drill and drivers but the Bauer is enough for me. I'm scared somebody will think it's milwaukee from a distance and steal my tools though, hahaha
Their 3 ton floor jack is also an amazing purchase. I have been using one for past ten years no problems, no hydraulic leaks, still going strong. I've seen those floorjacks in several professional garages.
I bought the Pittsburgh Low Profile 3 ton floor jack because two of my kids have cars that sit so low to the ground. I have had it for some time now, used it a lot and have had no problems at all..
only have ever had one issue with my 3 ton low pro jack but it was entirely user error. i had used it to lift a 8000 lbs boulder and my guess is 8k lbs in one spot was too much to handle. was able to be warrantied!
I'm a service plumber. I bought and continue to buy my "beater" tools from harbor freight. I have noticed that their hand tools have improved dramatically in the last 5 years. I have also noticed that on some occasions the HF tools have been better than Home Depot. And in some instances, for example my close quarters pipe cutters, were the exact same thing, but $12 cheaper
@@papawoffour2562 yes. I'm a DIY and I get everything Pitt. However, in a stress test a Pitt wrench or any other torque tool will break before others like Husky, Kobalt, ofc Snap On.
@@jpmartinez6608 don't use them to remove truck lug nuts, but most diy'ers can get away with using them. I'm an A&P aircraft mech, and have spent waayy too much on tools over a lifetime of turning wrenches
You can't compare Pittsburgh to snap on that apples and oranges. Get icon and compare it to snap on or watch the video icon beat snap on every time when the mechanic tested the non slip Icon wrenches versus snap on even the mechanic was surprised Harbor freight isn't what it was 5 10 years ago.
Yeah, the quality of tools has been improving over time, but what I like best is that they offer the good, better, best options so you can decide depending on your needs.
Yes the prices have been quote unquote improving to where the tools that aren't garbage are about the same price as decent tools you can get at home depot. Why bother with harbor freight?
@@kcr357 Ya I agree. One thing I noticed was that their cordless power tools blew ass for the past decade, I got burned twice and said never again. Like you alluded to, I would never buy a cordless anything from HF again even if it has good ratings, because I can go to Lowes or something and get a bunch of Kobalt stuff on sale for a good price (hehe, I have several Kobalt 24v tools and several batteries). Harbor Fright does have something going for it, and it's the specialty tools and equipment, like the wide selection of automotive tools and test equipment as a big example.
@@kcr357 Because Harbor Freight has the different classes of tools and by keeping them alive and surviving, we keep the competition with the others which will also keep prices down on all of them.
Yes, I do think the quality of HF's tools and accessories has improved compared to years ago. I have HF items within my tool arsenal. I do not misuse my tools and so far have not had any problems. Thanks for this video. I am impressed that HF reached out to you and kudos to you for creating a video explaining to viewers "the rest of the story". I will continue to support HF. After viewing your video, I have a deeper repsect for HF. Have a fine week and have a prosperous New Year. Conrinue to be truthful, thoughtful, and fair. Full-watch. 👍🏽🤠 12/26/22
I run a mechanic shop, we install millions in parts. Their icon tool brand lasts better then expected. No hassle warranty. I’ve switched from snapon to icon. I’d say 90% as good at 20% of the price. Their tool boxes are incredible good for the price.
I have shopped at H.F. for a couple of decades at this point and have seen a remarkable transformation in the quality of their tools. Many of the tools they sell now I believe to be superior to tools sold by legacy tool makers. The price point is always better.
I agree the quality has gone up significantly. However, I disagree the HF tools are superior to some other legacy tool makers. I do agree that with this improved quality that certain HF products are a solid/great value.
I can avoid problems so i have no issues with harbor freight tools breaking on me. If you want to keep snap-on in business. Its easy. Just become a CEO of any big company and buy as many snap-on tools as you can everyday. So when you need a certain tool from them, you know they will be there. They cant go down unless you go down.
@@bclev1953 I bought a socket set and driver from Craftsman and Harbor Freight around the same time, and the HFT wrench had more 'notches' allowing me to turn bolts in tight spaces! :)
Another great well reasoned and thought out video. You are a great consumer advocate for us and I'm glad your previous video had such an impact. Keep up the great work!
I think Harbor Freight has come a long way. Years ago I bought a few tools and supplies from them and it wasn’t very satisfying. More or less everything was on the junkie side. But these days their tools and equipment are still cheaper than everyone else but the quality has gone up considerably in my opinion. Don’t get me wrong some of the tools need some modifications to make them up to par r up to my satisfaction but for the most part I don’t have many problems with their products.
Today's cheap tools are head and shoulders better than cheap tools 20 years ago, when I started my career Craftsman was the norm for a beginner professional mechanic and there weren't any viable cheap options that weren't absolute garbage, nowadays the us general wrenches and sockets are on par with those craftsman professional from them and are perfectly serviceable for someone starting out as a mechanic My nephew came to me a few months ago asking what tools he should buy starting out at his first mechanic job and I pointed him towards a harbor freight wrench and socket set, the guideline I gave him was whenever he breaks something to then replace it with a higher end replacement, that way he hasn't wasted money on expensive versions of tools that rarely see and use or abuse, because every mechanic has those tools in his box that haven't ever been used. I wish someone had given me the same advice a long time ago probably would have saved enough to buy a car at this point lol
I have shopped at Harbor freight tools since the mid-80s. I started out ordering from the catalog until they open their first store near me and I definitely believe the quality has gone up tremendously from when I first started buying tools from them, especially their cordless tool line. I love to shop there, because they almost have everything that a DIY’er would need around the home.
I used to be a mechanic, so I got the manual tire changer and changed all my tires myself. the unit did need some beefing up with some heavier steel gussets in places, and I welded all that up and it's probably good for 50 years now. I have good luck with over 90% of the things I buy there. with generators or engines make sure it has a cast-iron cylinder sleeve, like my Briggs' does 😉. that's what kills those cheap Chinese scooters and motorcycles, an aluminum cylinder liner 🙄and overall low build tolerances in the rotating assembly.
And around the shop. Nearly every automotive tool I need they have. Often, I prefer to order online from other retailers but in a pinch, HFT usually has what I need. Also, bring back the 20% coupons!
HF has improved over the years. It’s always been about being selective w your purchases based on the job you need to do. That said there is still plenty of room for improvement. Personally I recently needed a pole saw to do a one time tree trimming for a local landlord. That saw lasted to the end of the job and then had to be returned. I got the job done and got paid tho and the replacement one is holding up just fine. Moral of the story is don’t forget your good tools and you won’t have to use a $20 pole saw from HF.
I've used HF tools for decades. With this follow-up, I think you've hit the nail on the head. I buy HF when I need a cheap tool, especially a specialty tool for highly-occasional use. My workhorse tools are premium (frequently Hilti or Milwaukee). Most HF tools represent a good value if you keep your expectations in check and read reviews. I was just there last weekend, and will be again.
My problem with HF is the "Made in China" label. I used to buy into the idea that China was just a "developing nation" and they would eventually become more democratic, and it was okay to buy from HF and other Chinese-sourced discount stores, but Covid-19 pulled the wool from my eyes. The Peoples Republic of China has imperialist ambitions and exploits their own people (prison-slave labor, sweat shops, lack of environmental and safety rules, etc.). They consider all western democratic nations as their enemies and will shaft us any way they can. Sorry for the rant, but they love the idea that they can undercut America and the west because we buy from the lowest-price source without seeing past the price tag.
My two sons used to give me a hard time about buying at Harbor Freight. But as both came of age and started raising their own families, they've come to realize the need to buy smart. If you aren't going to use something all the time or work the tool hard, get the least expensive. You also aren't losing much, when you loan it out. I bought a Bauer hammer drill a couple of years ago and used it twice so far. My neighbor borrowed it last year to bust up concrete in his cellar and a slate deposit down thru his yard, to put in a new sewer line. I got it back to use a few weeks ago and it's definitely showing significant wear and tear, but it still works. He has it back again. This isn't a jack hammer....it's a large hammer drill.....not exactly what it was intended for, but...... my cousin has an auto shop and he told me years ago that he stopped buying Snapon screwdrivers and such, because of the price and started buying HF, because they lasted about as long. My oldst son has a small business building IR lights for ghost investigations and he now has numerous HF tools, including the combo disk and belt sander shown in the video. We all three have HF floor jacks have no complaints about them. I figured out years ago, that when you look at reviews for various brands of a given tool, you're going to find a certain number of one and two stars for any of them. A certain percentage of people are idiots and don't know what they're doing.....a certain percentage of tools, no matter what brand, are going to have design or manufacturing flaws. As the consumer, you have to weigh the available data against your needs to make an educated decision about your purchase. As far as country of manufacture, I buy American if available and if I can afford it, figuring sooner or later, my sons will get it. But they'll get the HF ones too. And most name brands are made in China too, so........ Thanks for the video. Very informative and well done.
One thing people forget is that tool stores that carry such a huge selection are not readily available especially as Sears is gone and what is being sold under that name is a fraction of what there used to be. I own tools from many companies including the tool trucks and those brands aren't easily replaced when they break and they DO break, HF is great about replacing broken items. Like what you said paying attention to the level of quality and use will leave you much happier. I will say is that I'm extremely happy with the Hercules line.
Good point. I have been fairly impressed with HF generally having everything in stock that I need. Usually when buying supplies such as bits or blades you need it NOW.
I absolutely believe that their quality has gotten better, I have no issues buying from there. I've bought cherry pickers, floor jacks, Jack stands , sockets, air impacts. I'm happy with the quality and the good , better, best option really helps to fit the right tool for the right job. Have I had tool failure, yes, but most times it was user error.
I have been using HF tools for decades and for the most part have been very happy. I can not afford the really expensive other company tools. HF tools have improved in quality and features; the price and choices have gone up but some of the less expensive tools are still available and quite usable. I am a regular shopper at HF and will continue to be so as well as keeping close track of the comments and evaluations. 😉
I have been a HF customer since 1977. In the early years their quality was marginal at best. The last 20 years they have been just fine and for the prices you can’t best them.
Thank you for sharing what you've learned. Yes, Harbor Freight's quality has improved tremendously over the years but don't expect lifetime service from what they sell.
I like the way this interaction went, overall. You expressed your opinion in a public forum, which is your right to do. The company took some issue but, instead of overreacting with a cease and desist order, they contacted you and in a non-confrontational manner. My belief is, if they have made major strides in quality, etc., then it will eventually be reflected in the marketplace and with influencers such as yourself.
I have used their equipment since the 80s. The quality has definitely gone up. Their tool replacement has gotten easier over the years and even beats out name brands. Now when I have a wrench break in a set, they replace the entire set. The biggest problem I had was with their battery op drills and drivers until they came out with Bauer and Hercules. It was always the cheap chargers that failed, not the tool or the battery. But the chargers. I told them of that after taking back batteries and charger and tool three times.
I have not been disapointed at all with their tools. What I have bought works perfect for what they were intended for. Love the prices and will continue to buy from HF.
Hats off to Harbor Freight! I have a beater bench vice from the mid-eighties that I decided to possess from being destroyed in a factory demolition. It was hammered on hundreds of times. Chunks of the castings were broke and a part of the base was busted off.The handle was replaced with a steel pipe. But it still hold on to the job like an iron man. 😄
As a tradesman I can say that several of HF tools ,tarps or consumables have made it into my tool box. Things I like are drop cloths, zip ties, chip brushes, latex gloves and their tarps , and I buy them frequently. I have purchased a couple of the Chicago Electric tools just to try out something before I spend the money on a higher end brand. I like the Predator generators and I have one of the Pittsburg Automotive floor jacks that have worked for what I need. Things I would never buy are any battery powered tool because I am already invested in a battery platform and I have learned my lesson over the years with that. I would probably look for used Milwaukee , DeWalt or Makita when it comes to any shop tools. I just feel like I can rely on them better to hold up and if I need parts it is much easier to find them.
@@mickturner957 I only buy tarps there as a consumable meaning one time use or very temporary use. You are correct that the black or gray tarps are much better for longer uses .
This is an excellent way to get the point across, that you get what you pay for. Harbor Freight is probably a good place to get something to learn on, but sometimes their tools can surprise you.
I’ve purchased tools from them for years. If I need a tool that is essential for many projects, I usually go with a big brand name however, in the past two years I’ve noticed a better quality product from HF. Their contractor tile saw is pretty darn good for the money. I’ve been using the oscillating cutter since it first came out and it’s a work horse. Recently I purchased a cheap welder. I could not get it to work so I called technicial support and was blown away at how patient the man was assisting me and even though I was doing something pretty stupid, he didn’t make me feel like an idiot. Overall, I will continue to buy from this store. Pretty hard to beat their prices and quality. This was a very informative video.😊
To a large degree you are correct, I have had items fail however HF has always been reasonable in standing by their products, One item stands out for me the 14 inch metal chop saw, I use to buy Milwaukee saw, each year that Milwaukee failed constantly, always just out of warranty by a week or so. They did not care period after 4-5 failures of their motors burning up, I bought a equivalent metal chop saw from HF, it is now almost five years old the motor still works well, that says a lot with this product. The basic unit, the platform the vise part I cut off and made a better functioning one for myself but the rest of the unit was Harbor Freights and has held up better than Milwaukee brand
After using Harbor Freight for years, I’ve learned that if I’m buying a light use/“couple times a year” tools I’ll easily buy from them. I’ve also found that unless you’re buying a more high end tool, HF is just as good as most big box brands
An excellent video, Dave and much appreciated. Kudos to Harbor Freight for reaching out. I do buy Harbor Freight on occasion and have had good luck with them. What is impressive is that they are extremely good about replacing things that break and they do have pretty decent warranties. As such, I don't mind doing some QA testing in exchange for a better price. The funny thing is that their overall quality did take a turn for the better around the same time that Craftsman hand tools got moved over to China. My primary hand tools are older U.S. Craftsman as well as a lot of S-K, but if I need to quickly buy an impact socket or odd-sized deep-well nowadays, odds are that the retail brands are made in China anyway, so the retailers (like Lowes and their Stanley/Craftsman "made in the U.S.A. someday" deal) has helped drive me to Harbor Freight. This is a good time to give props to Channellock for keeping its pliers manufacturing in Pennsylvania and Milwaukee for building up capacity in Wisconsin (though still waiting for U.S. tools to show up).
When I started with my present employer I received a box with mostly used legacy tools like Crafsman , Williams , CL , Crescent, Milwaukee etc. Over the years, I'm talking 25 here, everything has held up well except the box . Specifically the drawers on this Craftsman box are shot. About a year ago I lost my Channelock pliers and they gave something similar from Harbor Freight. No way was it comparable to my CL's. Especially when it came to the years of abuse I put on my Channelocks without a letdown or loosening of the pivot joint. In many situations such as trying to get the press fit pulleys off of off shafts, which is a daily occurrence at work , the only things that would get in the tight spaces were my long nose blues. Often had to beat on those pliers to get any movement in removing the pulley. Sorry but the recently purchased Harbor Frieght pliers were junk compared to the years of abuse my Channelocks took . I made them get me a some new Channelocks if they wanted machines back up in a timely matter.
It's a mix for me. I have some things that have lasted over 10 years and keep going (anvil, vice, same belt sander as you, pipe wrenches, tile cutter, truck jack, jack stands, and so on), but then other things are pure garbage (assorted tool set (pretty much everything in it was horrible and once my income increased, I tossed all of it), drill bits (so many of them broke, while other brands are doing just fine), drill press (very wobbly, handles fall of all the time, because of how coarse the threads are, etc)). Basically, it's a gamble every time, so I rarely buy anything from them these days.
Good morning, and thanks for making this video. I saw your other video as well, and am glad someone from HF contacted you. Honestly, I thought you were a little harsh in your initial assessment, and I appreciate you coming back for this update. I've shopped at HF for years, mostly for things I needed short notice or that I knew were going to be one time use. I've had some great experiences with most of the things I've purchased at HF, and some not so great experiences with others. A couple of those negatives, I have to admit were my own fault (buying a very cheap electric drill and expecting it to mix tile set for a home project). I knew better, and it started smoking after the second batch. One negative that wasn't on me though, was a Pittsburgh ratchet that kept slipping because the screws that held it together would back out with light use. Tightening them made the ratchet not work at all. So I replaced that ratchet with a Kobalt and went on with my day. That was a few years ago though. However, over the last 6 years, I've turned what was a hobby into a career and have needed tools for use in a professional setting. I'm in the autobody industry (body man, fabricator, welder, painter) and need lots of tools and tool storage. Admittedly, I have a lot of tool truck tools, but mostly very specific things for very specific uses. My basics though, like hand tools (ICON), and most of my cordless (Hercules), came from HF. My storage, a 56" double bank box, a 34" full bank service cart, and 30" 5 drawer mechanics cart are all American General. My welders, an OMNIPRO 220 and a PROTIG 205 were bought as factory refurbished units more than 2 years ago and work great, plus I got crazy good prices on them as refurbs. I said all that to say this. As a professional tradesman, I see coworkers paying stupid money for tool truck tools and storage, having to pay hundreds of dollars every month for years on end to pay them off, and in some cases even seeing them repossessed for whatever reason. Most justify these purchases by claiming quality and lifetime warranty, but HF has a lifetime warranty as well, and the quality has come up drastically over the last decade or so. I've never had to return any of my ICON tools for breakage, and if I ever have to replace any of my cordless tools, I could do it a few times over for the cost of some of the tool truck brands. My storage locks just like any other box does, and I've never heard of anyone who's ever had their box broken into. I personally don't think that as a professional you have to have tool truck equipment to show that you're successful. The quality of work you do speaks for itself, and your customers don't care at all whether you use Snap-On, or HF tools to get the job done. They want quality work at a fair price, and HF helps me provide that.
What a great response! I'm in a different industry than you I think, and I have a lot of Dewalt battery tools, and some other good tools,, but I have a number of HF tools, too, and Ive had people look at me like I was a loser when I pull them out. If I use a rotary hammer once a year, why should I pay 700 dollars (or a lot more) for it to sit in a case?. Those people who wont buy anything but Snap-On I think of as tool snobs. My grandpa taught me that the skill of the user is more important than the fancy tool, and the quality of my work is more important than the shine on my truck.
@@thedirtprincess3293 Thank you for your reply. I'm of a similar mindset as you. The quality of my work speaks for itself, The tools I use are just the means to an end. If they do the job right, what does it matter who makes them. Just yesterday, I was about to paint a panel on a vehicle with one of my HF Black Widow spray guns (one of 3 I have for work), and it blew a seal. I took it back to HF after work and they exchanged it for a new one. When I bought it I purchased a protection plan just in case something like this happened, so I had no issues returning it. I'm definitely a fan of HF and see no reason to stop using their products. They save both me, and my business money. What's not to like about that?
My husband is the woodworker and general handyman around the house. Like you, we used Harbor Frieght for entry level tools. Some of the tools are pretty good and others weren't worth the money we paid for them. Since we are not professionals, we don't use them in the same capacity as a professional would. When my husband's driver broke, I bought him a Dewalt. He could immediately tell the difference. My opinion remains the same. Great place for entry level tools. We never bought the Hercules line so don't know about that comparison.
@@DIYwithDaveI’m also impressed with Hercules. I run Mikita on the job but did borrow my buddies Hercules once and was impressed. Not at good as my stuff but definitely way better then my old porter cable. the only Bauer I own is their toe kick saw. I needed it for 1 job but have used it on at least 10 other jobs. Still works, but for how long is anyone’s guess.
We always buy the “ warranty “ on the bigger things like a air compressor . Ours lasted for a couple of years and died but we had bought the “ warranty” they replaced it for free. Plus our location gave us the option to “ pay up “ for a better higher product.
It depends, the good better best tier has everything to do with your experience. If you bought the lowest tier then yes, Dewalt would seem better. If you buy Hercules, then no, likely not.
Harbor Freight has definitely stepped up their quality big time over the last 10 years…much much better than in the past. I really like that they have several stores in my area. I no longer feel the need to “stock up” on consumables every visit as I don’t have to drive over an hour to shop…so much better on all fronts…
The problem is, they stepped up their quality on stuff, but now the prices are so close to the name brand stuff, that it doeant make sense to buy cheap tools for $20 less than the good tools.
I have been using their tools with hardly any issues for example their dremel type tool. Mine after a few years of abuse the tool quit running my first thought was brushes and they take 5mm x5mm x 10mm that i got 20 for less than $10.00. Took the tool apart and cleaned everything up and was amazed at how well the tool was built. I also have one of their 4" angle grinder and have had the tool or over 20 years and it is still going like it is new. They do have a few bad tools but not many. The value of their tools is their best selling point MORE BANG FOR THE BUCK!!. I love the place and will continue to shop there first.
There are some tools from HF that have outlasted much more expensive tools. I'm not easy on my tools. But the one that has been great is the 1/2" torque wrench. After 2 years, I had it tested. It was still spot on.
Their quality has gone up on certain items but their prices also have, and that’s to be expected. I think they have definitely got a better lineup of tools in the last few years.
The quality of HF tools has indeed improved over the years. I buy a lot of tools at HF for mission trips and for the most part they hold up well and provide a good value. They are much appreciated by my Cuban brothers. Darlington, South Carolina
Quality has improved significantly. As you point out, some items are great and others not so much. As a contractor we buy a lot of things such as electrical tape, zip ties, drop cloths, etc.. Basic hand tools are also great. (Exception is sheet metal snips). We also buy a lot of electrical tools if they are not daily use. I wouldn't hesitate to buy any of their generators. Tool boxes... well, we bought 2 and both were missing pieces and one was completely bent out of shape. They may look like snap on, but the thickness of the metal is no comparison.
I have been shopping at Harbor Freight for around 15 years, I think. (From when I first became aware of a store in my local area - that is, within about 20 miles of where I live.) I will agree that quality of most tools (and a lot of other products) has definitely improved over time. Yes, they also have the new higher-priced brands, But as a retiree home handyman/woodworker I can't afford them, just like I can't afford Skil, DeWalt and other expensive brands. I have also seen a considerable amount of innovation in products. earlier this year I noticed a new style of eye protection goggles, with what I call a wide-angle "hemisperical" field of view. I bought one to try. The next time I was there I got four more, so now each of my major tools has one dedicated to that tool. There are also problems. I recently bought their lowest-price hammer drill, because I needed to drill one hole in concrete. (I had sold my previous hammer drill years ago in a moving sale.) This one lasted exactly as long as I wanted it to - by the time I was finished with that hole, the hammer function had failed. There are some things they sell that I will not buy, because I feel they may be unsafe FOR ME. (Other people may think the same tool is perfectly fine. But I haven't lived for 73 years without learning a few things about myself!) And some of those things I would not buy from a higher-priced retailer either, for the same reson.) There are whole sections of Harbor Freight that I just ignore. For example, I have not worked on our own vehicles for about 30 years, so I have little or no interest in products in that area. But I do use a few air-actuated tools in woodworking, and d there again I can generally buy 2 or 3 of an item from HF for the price of one from other stores. Overall I am happy that Harbor Freight exists; they have a lot of good products that I can use, and I normally shop as an "informed" customer - meaning I check ratings of a product, alternatives from other sources, and look around online first. Also it is good to know that there are actual caring humans at levels above the local store.
I bought a Harbor Freight SDS hammer drill for concrete and it still works, except motor is starting to smell. I may replace the motor and keep the drill.
great comment. I too have used harbor freight over the years. some 'early' failures and some surprises. I bought a chicago electric rotary tool and the battery failed after the second use. I got an external power supply and hardwired it...works fine but lost the convenience of wired. I also bought an angle grinder, worked for a few projects but motor went out. Now this could be that I was trying to push the limits of that. I learned from that experience to always check the ratings and understand the reason for better specs. This doesn't mean I always by the highest spec'd item. On the angle grinder, I did buy a Milwaukee that I have had now for 3 years and is still going strong, but it is a higher power motor. Honestly, if I bought the equivalent from HF (bauer or the other), I am sure it would have met my needs just fine. I also bought there cheap flux core welder. As I have never done any welding, I wanted to learn and let me tell you...for what $159 or something it is a great little tool. Now I am no welder, but I have loved having it
U said it all. I have been using HF since before there was a store in the Gresham, Or area. Fist items were refurbished (worked OK) Now U just have to be smart, cheap for one use or few. Contractor grade elsewhere. I still spend a lot of money at HF and have no complaints.
Like others, I've used HT tools for years. I started buying them because they were inexpensive and "did the job". I've had fairly good success with hand and power tools. My main complaint is not that the tools don't last - it is that, since they have started the "good-better-best" thing, they seem to have dropped many of the cheaper tools I went there to buy. Also, they used to have very good coupons ... now, the coupons exclude so many tools/brands/lines that they are almost useless. Yes, when it comes to their cheap tools, you get what you pay for - but, when I only need a cheap tool, I don't want to have to pay DIY prices because HF decided to drop the whole reason I shop there.
I imagine the amount of returns exceeded the a threshold where the profit was too low to cover the cost of processing a return. Just a guess. But I agree - once you start doing that better option the price gets high enough you might as well go with the named brand product.
I have stopped shopping HF as often as I used to since the coupons went away. I have a couple of dual chuck tire inflaters that cost 5.99 or so. All of the sudden I noticed in the store one day the 5.99 model was gone and it was replaced by a "Merlin" brand for 40 or 50 bucks! It might be more accurate or more durable, but he6 dollar ones I have had for ten years or so are fine for my needs. A couple of years ago I decided to finally invest in some cordless tools. I tried to consider HF but with 3 different brands and a 4th for garden tools, it did not make sense. I went with Dewalt and have several tools and only need a few batteries.
@@tbirdracefan The tire pressure gauges are by far the worst things I have bought at HF - poor fit on the valve stems, poor agreement from one to another, leaky hose swages.... I am happy with most HF tools but not the inflators or tire pressure gauges. (Disclaimer - I have not bought any in the last year or so.)
I haven't been to HF for several years, they no longer sell 'cheap' tools. If I need a cheap tool for a one time job, the local big box store has an abundant supply.
Been a general contractor for 40 years. I generally avoid HF. However, if you need a tool for a one off project, they are a reasonable option. Also if the tool is going to get used in super harsh conditions again it is worth considering. I have had a few surprises. Their bottle jacks and bar clamps have worked well and were good values.
I’ve been shopping at Harbor Freight for years and their quality has definitely improved. That being said, I mostly buy from their “best” line because I have bought some total duds from their “good” line. Your recommendation of looking at the reviews is spot on and something I myself do regularly.
As having worked as a professional mechanic and having bought expensive good tools, I can say that HFs tools are great for the average person. I have many replacements bought there and never regretted any purchase
This was a great video that makes me feel better about HF. They fill a huge gap in market needs. Their Predator generators are fantastic as well as their tool boxes. Sometimes I just need a tool to use once or twice and I don’t want to invest a fortune in it. HF always seems to have a tool for that job.
Predator generator starts in about 3 pulls. I spent as much for the double throw box as I did for the generator, but now I have a "plug and play" system for basic electric needs in an emergency. No extension cords or open door or window when power goes out.
I don't have a Hbr Freight near me, so, for me, it's like I'm a kid going to a toy store; after I get what I made the trip for, I walk all the aisles and pick up some angled picks, tape, 2# sledge, glue, tent pegs, coal chisel, and the best deal anywhere on new wheels for my dolly/hand truck (it's cheaper to buy a tire ON the rim than it is to fix the flat! I keep a spare wheel in the shop! (not that I've had excess flats with HF wheels; I'm pretty hard on my gear). I'm a boat builder and own 6 or 7 different grinders/sander-polishers (I keep them loaded with different pads, grits, & discs so I can change tools instead of changing discs/sandpaper): 4", 6, metal grinder, hard disc, soft pad, polishers, buffers: I've got three Hbr Freight tools in the mix (Makita, B&D, Milwaukee) and I've never had a HF tool fail. I actually like the ergonomics best ever on one of them, and the simpler on/off switch lets me feather the disc speed to taper off when sanding to a fine edge or wet sanding: also, speed settings so I don't wind'er up to "too fast". I don't use ANY Velcro discs (just don't care for them); HF's self-adhesive discs stick and stay stuck until you decide to peel them off, and they usually load-up before the lose their cutting power. The belt sander belts are terrific. The only disappointment I can recall is a big drill index: just not up to snuff.
I've had really good luck with HF products. Although I don't use them on a professional level, I have had some big projects and when the tool broke, I simply took it back and got a replacement without any issues or hassle from the staff. I love this place!
They have definitely improved over the years even the low end warrior line has been improving. I bought the $25 drill light pack about 3 years ago and I barely got the battery to last for a light duty project (10 min run time against plastic.) I also picked up the new warrior drill a few months back and is easily 3 times the usability on a more efficient battery.
Oh the warrior line. Lol I had the same combo. I mostly bought it for the light and just have an extra drill in case my better ones batteries died. I abused that drill so hard before I broke it, I know going into it that it was going to die. The light was durable as long as you didn’t drop it. Then it was game over.😂 I had them many years ago when cordless lights were coming out.
Small but really big story I personally had with harbor freight. Some years ago I had a manager tell me he was not going to open a new item so that I could look at it unless I purchased it first. Now understand this was a large item and let's say over $300.00 dollars. Needless to say I was beyond unhappy that the display unit was not the new version and I could not really see it anyway in the place it was on display! Unhappy and bitter. Sitting in the parking lot I called harbor freight corporate office! And to my surprise they not only listened but had a district manager call me back! After a long explanation again he informed me that the man who introduced himself as the manager was not and if I was willing to go back or to any other harbor freight store he assured me not only would I see it but I would be happy with the price. Now the good part! Yes I did go to another store and I was met at the door by the store manager and he introduced himself and called me by name. The item turned out to be exactly what I wanted and the district manager had left orders to take $200.00 off the $300.00 dollar bill. And yes I did buy other things then and since then. Great customer service. I would usually say you get what you pay for however on another item I purchased a cheap cheap drill to crank up my pop-up trailer since it would probably not make it past vacation a $25.00 drill was not a big deal if it was trash at the end of 40 minutes of running! Ya well that was 6 maybe 7 years ago and I have used it to drill put furniture together and who knows what more and it still works. Long read but I in the end still go to and buy harbor freight tools. Just realize what you need the tool for. Long time use or is it something use once and put it on the shelf! As for my view harbor freight is a good place to buy from.
Yes, tool quality has improved over the years. Yes, little used simple tools are fine. Really extra exam on tools needed for heavy or frequent use. Kudos to you and the company. They cared enough to contact you. You asked the hard questions.
Also, too, especially when you're looking at woodworking power tools/machines, Harbor Freight has several items that are exactly the same as the higher priced competitors. It's all just rebranded. You can easily find stuff that Shop Fox, Grizzley, Wen, and others sell in their entry level lines, just with a different paint job. Those other brands tend to sell them for a much higher cost. I bought a lathe from HF a couple of years ago after doing a ton of research. Turned out, it was exactly the same lathe Shop Fox, Grizzley, Delta, and Wen had. The HF ran me about $220, whereas the others started at over $400. You also have the Daytona floor jacks. Snap-On took HF to court a few years ago over it. Snap-On lost. Apparantly, both jacks were made in the same factory in China (remember, Snap-On loves pandering to the patriotic with their Made in The USA claims). But, I think HF's hey day is coming to an end since their prices aren't as great as they used to be. Killing off the 20/25% and freebie coupons signalled the changes.
A lot of times, I’d buy a Harbor Freight tool to see if I would use it often enough to make it worth upgrading. In most cases those tools are the ones I’m still using ten years later. Not all we’re winners, but a lot of them have been.
The Hercules and Bauer lines - along with the ICON and Pittsburgh wrenches and sockets - have definitely improved. I have many Harbor Freight tools - including a Yukon roll around tool cabinet. I have been burned on a few of them - but I'm still miles ahead of buying all Snap-On or even Craftsman. I'm just an avid do-it-yourselfer and take good care of all my tools. I'm a Harbor Freight fan - no doubt about it.
I have Pittsburg wrenches that are worthless because of poor metal used in construction and can no longer grip the heads. Sorry, just the truth. Replaced them long ago with Craftsman before Sears sold the line, never a problem?
@@user-qy9tf2im7fPittsburgh is their cheapest line of tools, no doubt but I can't tell you how many Craftsman tools I've broken over the years but kept using Craftsman because Sears would replace them no questions ask, walk in, grab tool, stop at CS and walk out. Not so great anymore that Sears isn't around anymore. As I said, Pittsburgh at HF (and the city) are pretty bottom of the barrel but, a screwdriver is $1. It's hard to be mad at that. If you go buy a $2 box wrench and crank on it with a breaker bar, then expect it to not hold up as well as Icon or more higher end versions.
I like that you issued this update, and I think it speaks well to you, and your own standards. I also thought it was interesting to see a little bit into what goes in to HFT's own processes.
I think it says a lot for HF for reaching out to You. Now that they do have some higher end tools really the choice has been put on the consumer. I think some of their tools are just as good as other name brand ones.
I think your video and opinions expressed are spot on and accurate. That being said, I will say that I think HF has improved the quality of some of their products. There is definitely plenty of room left to improve,and I hope that is the way the company continues to trend.
I do agree that the quality if HF's tools has gone up. More importantly I definitely agree that their quality is great in reference to their Daytona jacks. My dad is a mechanic and a huge Snap-on guy and even he was impressed by the Daytona jack. So impressed that he went about bought one.
I'm a tree shade mechanic and absolutely love their Daytona jacks and stands. I have the 3 ton green set and can easily lift my Ford E350. And their Predator 2,000 watt generator has worked great for me as well.
I consider myself a beginner/novice level hobbyist woodworker. I started roughly 7 years ago and only invest time into projects for around my home. I've never sold an item and don't plan to anytime soon. To shorten the story, a few years ago our hobby budget got to the level that I wished to invest in a plunge router to compliment the skills I had developed with hand tools. After researching, I landed upon the Chicago Electric Professional 2 1/2 HP which had a number of informational reviews and videos of the pros and cons. It didn't hurt that I had a nice discount coupon from HF. As I have used it more, the tool performs as described by many- a workhorse with substantial power and a little on the heavy side. I also have various size Pittsburgh clamps for layouts and glue ups that get frequent use in my workshop (aka garage). Thanks for the research and opinions in both the original as well as this follow up video!
Hi Dave. Liked you video on what to buy and what not to buy at Harbor Freight. I have been in the HVAC trade for 30 years. I worked at a major University on every kind of equipment you can think of. Unlike residential HVAC, we worked on electric, large horsepower motors, plumbing, pipe fitting, steam, etc. You get the idea. When I first started out in the trade, I would only buy tools made in the United States. Craftsman was a great brand. And you couldn't beat their replacement guarantee. However, as the brands began moving to foreign markets for manufacturing and materials, I looked elsewhere. Short story long, and some advice for newer and lower paid mechanics in all trades is this. If you have tools, any tools. Electric or otherwise, that you use regularly, buy the more expensive American made tools. However, if you just need a specific tool that you may use for one or two jobs in your career, then buy cheap. BUT still with a lifetime guarantee. Places like Advance Auto sell decent tools at a good price that will be replaced. No questions asked, if they break. And a lot of what Dave was talking about, you may be surprised how good some of those cheaper tools perform and last. Thanks again Dave. Hope this is helpful.
I've gone with the upgrade when they break method. Just buy the next level up when I break something. Eventually I'll find the level I need for that tool, but I'm betting I saved a lot of money from jumping immediately to snapon
@@gwartard snap-on is a huge waste of money for some trades. It really depends on how often you need a precision tool vs a tool that you use often for general jobs. Like anything else. But as an HVAC mechanic, there were more times than not that I just needed a reliable tool that was within acceptable tolerances. If one broke, then I got it replaced free. It's like people who just have to wear certain brands of clothes or drive certain makes of cars. A lot of it is just status.
@scottnelson7389 agreed. I think a lot of things are jewelery. You have them so other people can see you have them. I'm absolutely brutal to my my 3/8 ratchets. I know I'm using them way past their limit, but it's nice watching that Hawaii vacation drift away from my trucks guy as I hand in another 4.
I think you make a good point. Just buying the cheapest tool often results in having to buy that tool more than once. Buying a better tool often lasts a long time depending on use. I look at it this way. Will the tool's failure result in serious bodily injury or death? If so, then I get the best I can afford, often US made. As an example, I only buy US Jacks for car jack stands, and while I get not everyone can afford those, buying the cheapest jack stands is mind boggling to me. I am glad that Harbor Freight recalled its jack stands when it found problems, but you know there are a ton of them still out there with potential defects that never got returned. On the other hand, even if I was a professional mechanic, I just can't see how spending 5x other brands on stuff makes any sense. It is so over the top expensive that you are really cutting into your margins having to pay that off. If you want fancy stuff, you can get great European or Japanese made tools that are just as good at a fraction of the cost. I like the Icon stuff, but I think it is expensive in comparison to Tekton, which has high quality stuff at good prices. I also like that you can buy single sizes and tools so you don't waste space and money on the 16mm socket you will never use.
I have the Hercules miter saw stand and it’s awesome! Had the Ryobi one for my 12” sliding miter saw and always wanted one with wheels. Only improvement I can think of would be to have a plug box mounted somewhere!
It impressed me that they talked to you and were willing to listen.I bought a rotary mower replacement engine (priced $230.00)and it turned our to be worthless right from the start. I just don't trust anything electrical and or mechanical from HF. I'm cautious about hand tools. Sometimes I opt to just go to the local Flee market.
I’ve been a customer for about 10 years now and yes I agree that their products have been getting better in quality. Their prices are the reason I shop there but what you pay, you get almost the same or the same in productivity as you would any other product if you’re a DIY guy like me. Happy customer.
I love when there's a follow up and the company actually responds to things Politely. Yeah I think their quality has gone up. I'm glad that they're changing their marketing strategy because I'm not sure the better best categories were that visible before and I think this market strategy is going to be really good. and a lot of products have a higher price mostly because of the name and logo think what were those headphones that were very popular remember they were the hot thing and they were really expensive they weren't that good compared to some other offerings. Although it did drive the market forward also raise the prices things as companies realized they could charge more.
Harbor Freight is exactly what it is. I feel like folks that shop there know where they are, what they need and the quality of the items they purchase. They are a godsend for people on a budget who need tools for one off jobs and don't need top of the line stuff to do it. If you go in with gold standard expectations on durability and quality you are going to be dissapointed. Thank you Harbor Freight for providing a source for budget friendly tools!!!
Appreciate both the HF videos you made. I have a number of HF tools that have lasted years and never broken. I watch a bunch of off-road recovery guys in Utah and one in Oregon, and they all have the HF Badland brand winches. The guy in Oregon swears by them and got rid of all his Warn winches after they wouldn't honor the warranty on a brand-new winch that broke. Bought our first Badland winch this week.
My experience with Harbor Freight is you have to be selective with your purchases. Most of their hand tools, heavier equipment, air tools, and predator engines are usually solid performers. Toolboxes, carts, and stuff like that can vary a lot in quality so make good choices. The low end electric tools are way too prone to failure, don't buy. NEVER buy abrasives from them, like sand paper or grinding discs, total junk. Most of their consumables aren't worth purchasing, some welding supplies are an exception.
@@princetchalla2441 Most of their welding consumables are fine. Rod, tips, and solid wire are fine. Don't use their flux core wire though, tends to have feed problems from where the wire isn't properly rolled, you'll find strips like 3 feet long where the wire is near flat, though to be fair I've had the same issue with Lincoln Electric flux core wire too. Ran quite a bit of HF's 6013 and 6011, and it burned pretty much like every other bead of the stuff I've ever run from any other supplier. I assume the other standard rods like 7018 probably run fine but haven't used them so don't hold me to it. Their oxy acetylene tips seem to withstand the test of time too, at least for light work. Sure if you're cutting all day you might want to get a good Victor tip, but for scarfing the occasional bit of steel off of a frame or heating a bolt cherry red, they work great year after year. I can't speak for their TIG stuff since I've never used it. I don't own a TIG welder, I go to my friends garage if I need, and he never lets me buy my own supplies, insists use it up, he never will... Then he buys more. Good guy.
I use one of their auto dark welding hoods and it works quite well, however the clear lenses are an oddball size that can only be bought at harbor freight and they never seem to have the inner clear lense in stock. Would be great for a weekend warrior welding hood though
10 years ago I wouldn't consider buying a power tool from Harbor Freight no matter the deal but that has changed. Honest reviews and a tiered grading system on products are the main factors that led to a change in my perception. I admit I've bought some tools that weren't strong enough for the job I was doing and I just returned them and got the right tool. In the event of a tool failing immediately after purchasing it they make returning stuff very easy.
I just read over a dozen 1 star reviews on their corporate Google maps reviews and many customers complain about how hard it is to retern defective tools and the 20% RESTOCKING FEE that is almost hard to see in the fine print So, are you sure you had a good experience?
I'm very happy with the products Harbor Freight provides. I'm not a professional and torture my tools but, I'm a DIY'er and the quality is more than adequate for my purposes
I'm a maker and a home DIY guy and I buy tools according to how often I will use them. My battery tools are Ryobi and they see a moderate/heavy amount of use at home but they aren't my livelihood. I have lots of fantastic HF tools that I only use once or twice a year, or sometimes I buy them because I need it for one specific job and instead of paying to rent a tool I now own it outright. Just today I bought the Bauer portable bandsaw to cut some pipe. The tool and blade cost $100! but now I've got a great tool for anything I might need it for in the future. I also buy expendables and parts at HF and they've never let me down. I have a hammer drill I've used countless times and a heat gun that my grandfather bought 20+ years ago. They perform admirably. The air hoses and fittings are also a great value. The only thing I steer clear from are Chicago Electric, tool bits, and screws. I am a big HF fan. They make diy projects and filling out my shop attainable for a guy like me on a budget. Great video.
I have a 1/2 in drive corded hammer drill that I paid $39.99 for that has not failed me. I also purchase air hoses and fittings from them. I met one guy who makes custom guitars and mandolins and uses HF tools exclusively. Something that many people do not know is how many American brands are actually made outside the country. I have an 8 gallon oil-based air compressor from HFT that is several years old.
@@Rondogardener unfortunately, the $20 warrior hammer drill I bought, the hammer function quit working after about 10 holes but I wasn't angry. I knew I had paid $20 for a hammer drill that turned out just to end up as a regular drill. Point being, I think people need to curb their expectations and maybe had I bought the $40 version, as you did, it would still be serving me well.
I have been buying HF tools for years and I am a carpenter / more often cabinet maker. I truly believe and have been saying for years their quality has gone up considerably. 100% Absolutely has . I have to a large degree had good luck with most of my purchases. I have been testing Hercules head to head against Makita in 2 tools, 1: 1/2” cordless drill 2: cordless impact driver. Honestly the function is pretty much identical. Fit and finish very slightly better on the Makita. I feel keeping the really inexpensive line is good as some people wont use them every year, let alone every week. Currently EVERYTHING is expensive! Gas , milk , eggs plus it can be very difficult to find a contractor. So having a way for a person to try to do a repair or a project as affordably as possible is important.
By far their quality has gone way up, So has their life time warranty on some tools. I don't think it's so much that you get what you pay for as it's you can buy what you need. Huge thumbs up to Harbor Freight for taking time to talk and explain things with you. And they do more then just tools , They try to help the community and fundraising groups. Keep the videos coming Dave and tell HF thanks.
I agree but I gotta say As someone who is a professional Motorcycle Tech for the last 10 years I gotta big surprise for you..... The first thing my Master Tech ever told me was "Buy Cheap then upgrade when it breaks" and 95% of my tool box is from Harbor freight because it simply hasn't broke and I'm willing to bet if you take a look in your mechanic's box you'd see a lot of HB tools in theirs too. We hire alot of techs, not because of the pay but because we have a Tech school in my town and we are generally a "Foot in the door" Dealership where they come work for us for 6 months to a year and then they move on to a bigger area so we sat down one day and made out a realistic list of what they will need the first 6 months- a year because a first time/Novice tech is not tearing a motor down and rebuilding it, They're doing a shit load of oil changes, Tire changes, mileage services, PDI's (Post Delivery Inspections) when we get new bikes and general maintenace stuff so they don't need $25,000 worth of tools, basically a good socket set, a good allen socket set, a ratchet and a good Torque wrench and we just print it off for them and send them to Harbor Freight, the only thing I don't suggest them to get is a Torque wrench from Harbor Freight, I tell them to get one from either Tractor Supply or Northern tools, I have a Snap-on set but I got mine for free when I graduated from school using my graduation voucher.
I agree that HF tools have gone up in quality. They used to be almost literally throw-away tools. Especially their “Best” tools, which I find every bit as good as name brands. They’re not insanely cheap, merely good value. I also agree that for hand tools like wrenches, hammers, screwdrivers, etc. they’re great if you’re a shade tree mechanic or DIY woodworker. I love HF and have a good sense for what I’m getting when I buy from them.
I agree here, when I visited my first Harbor Freight 15-20 years ago, all I saw was cheap chinese garbage. I mean, literal crap. They've really upped their game now, and for a homeowner or non-commercial user, they have upped their quality to the point where big box stores can't compete.
As a heavy truck mechanic who had his tools stolen about 10 years ago, without Harbour freight I'd have been working at Walmart. I started off with Pittsburgh lifetime wrenches and impact sockets with no issues and as the years have gone by there have been more and more things that I'll buy. Even before you look at the price and the warranty, Hercules tools are a winner. Bauer is on the borderline between prosumer and pro. Hercules is definitely pro and 5 year warranty on 20v? Let's see any other company match that.
I’ve definitely seen a jump in quality in HF tools. 10 years ago you couldn’t give me a HF ratchet, but now I own Icon ratchet’s and some higher end power tools from HF. The one thing I’ve always kept is the Pittsburgh 1” sockets… pure valve for good sockets.
True they were absolute junk 10 years ago and I would still not buy an everyday tool from them, tarps, boxes and other accessories, no problem. Tools except for home DIY fine, everyday professional use, no way. They are better, but not up to professional standards!
This is a great video Dave - thank you. I can only speak for myself, but when it comes to tools, I have learned to buy the best that I can afford. It saves me money in the long run...
Yes I would agree that the quality of certain items have increased. Icon tools, Doyle tools, Tool boxes and generators are a very good value for the money. Floor jacks have also improved dramatically.
DIY with Dave... I will say that Harbor Freights tools have come a long way in terms of quality. A lot people hate on HF because they compare some of their tools to Snap-on. People do not have a problem buying tools from other companies like Capri, Tekton, OEM tools, ARES tools and a long list of others that have tools made by someone else and most not in the USA. I don't understand the hate on HF. I just bought two different tools from the same brand name from Home Depot and one says made in China and the other one says made in Vietnam.
Nice follow up video! Harbor freight sources internationally just like almost everybody else. Please remember they also employ over 20K Americans. They also give back to the community. No, I am not affiliated with HF except I am a long time satisfied customer. I have gotten to know several of the managers here in the Vegas valley. All the stores here do a good job, in my humble opinion. 🤠👍💯
LOL,,'give back to them community' come on!, HF pays poverty wages here, while exploiting even worse wages in other countries, to sell inferior copy products here They could care less about "america", you, the planet or anyone else. Not saying they are any different than most other large companies, but lets not make them out to be some kind of folk hero.
@@curtismann6851 Thank you for your reply 👍 I can understand your reasoning. Please allow me to define "giving to the community." Specifically the "Tools for Schools" program. Since 2017 HF has given $6 million dollars for this program. That's giving back, Curtis. 👍
Great video here. Harbor Freight has definitely improved in the quality of their tools. Been using them for 12 years. I now go there first before I go anywhere else. I am a DIY person but care about quality and safety. So far I have had nothing but good luck at HFT!
I was in the USAF as a jet mechanic and also in charge of buying and providing tools for all the mechanics. We had two huge hangars with capacity for 20 F-16's. I had to provide two large tool box's for each dock so at least 40 tool box's and tools. I am pretty critical of tool quality and I do shop at HF. I have seen the quality of Harbor Freight go up since they started and I have had some products that need improvement like the floor jacks I have (the swivel wheels break off with no replacements available) I am impressed by the newer tools but I buy carefully and if I need something for a critical job I still go with Snap on. I bought a parts washer cabinet from HF and when I put it together I sealed it myself because the provided seals were lacking and added a light and a glass window, in the end I have a good cabinet I can use for either dry media or vapor blasting. I have bought some solar lights that lasted a few weeks and a 4 panel solar system that works great after I sealed the panels against leaks. All in all I use HF tools a fair amount and as long as you don't expect to use them for production they are fine. With Craftsman going away I think HF could fill that void now that they are offering a lifetime warranty on some tools. I have about $120,000 worth of tools in my two shops and i would guess that HF makes up about 5% of that number. Keep going up HF.
The Defective product part of your previous video is true, I've bought socket bits & Impact driver bits that broke pretty easily despite Impact rating on the box. But as long you keep the receipt they replace what got broken fairly easily. 👨🏿🔧
It depends what it is and what you're doing with it. That's really the only way to put it. I have some that are great for weekend projects, but I wouldn't put them in my box at the shop and use them all day everyday. That's what snap-on, Mac, Cornwell, and the elusive Matco tools are for.
I’m a big fan of HarborFreight I love the Hercules brand, however I think I’m cursed because every time I buy something from HarborFreight that has anything to do with Hercules cordless hand tool, I swear a couple months later they end up coming out with a brushless model.. I’ve never had a problem with any of the Hercules cordless tools brushless or non-brushless but I’m slowly upgrading to brushless. My only gripe is that when I go into HarborFreight I see that the Bauer line is blowing Hercules away. I’m not a huge fan of Bauer but they are coming out with more products than Hercules. I Don’t want to have a bunch of cordless tools with a bunch of battery chargers and different batteries I’d rather just stick with one line of the handheld cordless tools.
Yes, their quality offerings have expanded, and yes, they still have ultra cheap tools. Like you said, and like the HF guy told you, it is important to buy for the mission. I'm really good at destroying ratchets and the mid-price HF ones defintiely hold up to my abuse more than the Kobalt ones.
I agree to an extent, the quality has gotten better and I have and will continue to buy certain tools from them, however, the drill analogy is not a very good one. The ad itself compares their drill to DeWalt and then he slides to the fact that you may need to buy a stronger drill to build a deck....but as a commercial contractor my DeWalt drills handles both just fine. VERY bad analogy in my opinion. If their drill isn't strong enough to handle DeWalt jobs, it's very deceiving to compare them in their advertisement. Like the original poster said, I'll continue to buy some hand tools from them but when it comes to power tools, I'll pay the extra for DeWalt (or maybe even Ryobi 🙂).
Their tool boxes have gotten way better. Their floor jacks are the same as my snap one for a fraction of the price. Many of their products are nice, just have to pick and choose.
Sorry, but have owned both and the snap on jack now 30 years old is still working. Threw the Harbor Fright jack out within 2 years after purchase. Harbor Freight are not built for every day use. Cannot find one comment from an everyday User in the Section?
@@user-qy9tf2im7f You should read the lawsuit SnapOn vs HF about their floor jack. HF provided evidence their floor jacks are sourced from the exact same catalog and manufacturer model as SnapOn...then SnapOn dropped their case. Only difference is the name on the label and SnapOn marked it 4-5x higher
I agree completely that the quality of harbor freight tools have gone up over the years but as you stated and they contested I also agree that quality control is an issue. Ive had a $20 angle grinder that I absolutely abuse all the time for years and it doesnt skip a beat but ive also seen tools off their “better” and “best” categories fail right out of the box
I've retired after 31 years as a custom woodworker. I've bought few things in a pinch from Harbor Freight. I had one issue with a portable dust collector. It had a 1/2" x 1/2" screen to prevent chips from getting into the blower. However, it quickly got jammed up. I cut the screen out and haven't had any issue since. I'm pretty satisfied with everything including a large mechanics tool set and a "professional" floor jack. So I have nothing to complain about and as you mentioned, if long term use in necessary, I'd recommend products by Dewalt or Porter Cable.
Very good, clear and articulate video. Your self deprecating comments were unnecessary, because you were right on top of everything and asked intelligent thoughtful questions. You are indeed a very competent, intelligent person. I bought a vise from harbor freight which I used to hammer some metal parts. The vise broke after only a few uses and I was not using it like an anvil, nor doing much hammering. I would never waste my money at harbor freight buying work-horse tools or for any precision work. Regardless of what harbor freight says, there is always a sacrifice of quality for lower price.
Thumb's up for a truly superb and fair follow-up video! Since you ask for comment on it, there's absolutely no doubt that Harbor Freight has upped the quality ante of its offerings across the board over the past few years. One merely needs to take a quick peek at a set of 4 Chicago Forge springclip or circlip pliers I bought from them for like $3 well over a decade ago and compare them with what's on their shelves nowadays. Mine truly _look_ like they they were pounded out by some guy in sandals in his backyard forge-and-barbecue-grill, and their clear vinyl package resembles a repurposed tampon pack whose labelling was stamped on with a carved potato where they misspelled the word "PLEIRS". But you know what? All these years later they continue to work just fine. For the few spring clips I deal with they're an ideal mix of low cost and "just good enough" quality you described. My hunch is that for my modest needs they'll likely last forever. Happy bottom-feeder that I am, I have long adored 'Horror Fright' for such "make do" tools. I just hope they don't get too "hoity-toity" for guys like me. If I had one beef with them it would be their lack of after-sales support. For example, why the hell can't they stock batteries and chargers for their legacy cordless tools?! Even just offering them on their website by mail order or in-store pickup would be preferable to the current sudden dearth and death situation. You cannot seriously tell me they couldn't get an order of 18 Volt batteries made up now and then for their old Drill Master gear. But they keep pushing their old otherwise reliable stuff onto an ice floe. They first did it with the old "Blue Series" that used the big post-type batteries, and just a couple of years ago they stopped offering the slide-on ones for the later Drill Master gear. They must have sold hundreds of thousands of those things. So what? We're all supposed to just toss all those perfectly fine tools into the landfills now once their batteries give out!? And how about doing a better job selling more parts and other consumables for their other gear? For example, how can they seriously NOT offer replacement chains for those Pittsburgh chainsaws? A few years ago they seemed to start making some cursory gestures towards at least _some_ parts support, but this effort seems to have since stalled.
@Bill I've actually held onto my old long worn out "post type" 18V NiCads from my really old "Blue Series" DrillMaster stuff of yore with rebuilding them one day myself in mind. There are several straightforward step-by-step tutorials for it right here on YooToob. It's not that the old Blue Series drills were so great, but their other old $29 multiple tool kit offerings, like the little cordless jig saw and especially that detail sander with the hook and loop triangular sanding pads were just superb. I rehabbed our whole place, especially what turned out to be its lovely solid and quartersawn oak kitchen cabinetry from the '60s, with that kit when we bought it back 2008. It was the best-balanced detail sander I've ever used. It also did a great job refinishing much of our craigslist-sourced oaky furniture, including a huge 12 foot long old German wall cabinet unit that looks like the HMS Bounty had backed into our living room. But to be honest, rebuilding and soldering up my nearly 20 year old NiCads is pretty far down on my To Do List. In the interim, I found a sort of adaptor online for the old post-type "Blue Series" DrillMaster gear that takes the newer style slide-on batteries, and still have a half dozen or so fresh ones of those still in their packages bought on their clearance closeout when they scuttled the DrillMaster brand to tide me over.
Some HF tools have gone up in quality over the last few years. I can speak to the Bauer line as I own the belt sander/disc combo sander. I got it for right around $100 and it has been a great tool in my small woodshop. Also, the new Bremen clamps, as well as, the hand screw wood clamps in HF are of excellent quality. Chicago Electric was & still is the bottom of the barrel.
I totally agree on the chicago tools..BUT..I have 2 chicago sliding 10" miter saws , the cheapos. One is at least 7-8 years old and the other is about 3-4 years old...I have never had any issues with them and that's amazing. They certainly aren't a contractor grade but for the heavy use homeowner they have been great...and I work them pretty hard sometimes. To give an idea of age...of course with coupons, I paid $79 and $89 for newer one...That was a value!!
@@steves3688 That price is a steal!! Ahhh the good old days when you can use a 20% coupon and on holidays get to combine it with a parking lot sale. I won't touch certain tools at HF because I had 2 bad experiences with the Chicago brand, and that's why I steer clear. An oscillating tool broke after 3 uses. Granted, it was $10 with a coupon but still, 3 uses. The other was a sheet sander that did not sand...AT ALL. It actually oscillated better than the oscillating tool...lol...but didn't clear any material away. I am HF all the way when it comes to stuff like zip ties, glue, and other consumables. I am just a lot more selective with tool purchases there.
One thing almost everyone seems to forget, despite the fact it’s printed on the top of every Pittsburgh hand tool and in different wording on the higher end brands, is that EVERY hand tool at harbor freight has a lifetime warranty. No receipt required. We operate off of “if you have it you obviously bought it” when it comes to lifetime warranties. This experience may vary depending on the experience and knowledge of your local store, but if any hand tool (wrench, socket, plier, screwdriver, pry bar, etc) breaks or has a defect impacting its ability to do its job, bring it in and get a brand new one, or it’s equivalent if it’s been discontinued, for free. I understand wanting to buy high end tools and name brands, as I have Milwaukee tools, so I have used the “buy once cry once” saying to justify purchases to myself before, but at HF with hand tools, I’d rather spend $10 on a tool I can get a free replacement for within a 10 minute drive, 7 days a week, than pony up potentially $100s more for a name brand with either no warranty or a limited service agreement/unusable “warranty”.
I’m a maintenance manager. I am a diesel technician myself. My company does buy tools. I made the switch to buying tools and power tools from Harbor Freight. Yes I can buy name brands tools. But I decided to to give them a try. The hand tools, have held up just as good as name brands. Even the battery powered tools have really amazed me. I have spent years building my own personal tool collection. Mostly snap-on and Milwaukee. Now I can see that I could have saved thousands of dollars. Getting the same results. So far this year I’ve probably spent we’ll say at lot money buying tools at Harbor Freight. Thank you for a great video.
What I respect - in this case - is that you found a company that is willing to listen and find out areas to improve.
As if they didn't already know already. This was a simple public relations subterfuge exercise. They'll listen but nothing will change.
I found tools in their 130 piece tool set unmachined!?!? I had a stubby screw driver that was a blank!! I took it back and they tossed the entire set and gave me a new set on the spot, which was nice. No debate needed.
I’m glad that has changed .
Doesnt sound like that to me at all. Sounds like they made a feeble attempt to explain themselves and they didn't really explain anything.
And the reverse is Home Depot has a relic running that declining company saying “American workers are lazy “..
HF aside, you make EXCELLENT videos. Clear, easy to understand, no annoying background music/noise, no silly extended intros, no infantile pop-up photos, I wish others did this.
I'm impressed that Harbor Freight called to have an honest discussion with you instead of going to some cease-and-desist or other heavy-handed method. That speaks well of the company. Plus, it sounds like you had a non-confrontational, informative conversation wtih all involved.
I suspect this video was created in lieu of a cease and desist order.
I found tools in their 130 piece tool set unmachined!?!? I had a stubby screw driver that was a blank!! I took it back and they tossed the entire set and gave me a new set on the spot, which was nice. No debate needed.
Agreed. They could have lifted their noses and say "you're nothing but a youtuber". But they did make contact to explain their situation. I will give them props for their action.
companies have evolved. Send a cease and desist letter and the youtuber shows it and you're the bad guy... Have your lawyer call the youtuber explain "Libel" and demand a second video which includes a list of prepared statements you're the good guy for not sending a letter and you got the youtuber to basically make a free commercial for you.
Because they know it’s the TRUTH and they have no leg to stand on in a law suit against him 😂😂😂😂
I am impressed that HF called you and talked with you in such a honest way!!
Not surprising at all. They should send Dave $10K in coupons for free tools for the free promotion. Dave gave them a marketer's dream in testimonial and eyeballs.
Good video! I stopped in the middle to make this statement. As a 72 year old guy restoring a 56 Chevy, after having a house fire many years ago and losing all my tools, Harbor Freight is a God Send!! I am able to stock my new small shop with all the tools I need to restore my Classic Chevy and not have to break the bank like I use to when I bought my tools off a tool truck! If it were not for Harbor Freight, I would not be able to enjoy my retirement project! :)
Case in point. I had a SnapOn set of beautiful wrenches, that cost me over $300 back in the late 80's. I have no idea what those cost now. When our home burned, those SnapOn tools were subjected to intense heat. My 9/16 wrench now fit a 11/16 bolt. And SnapOn would not warranty my tools. Heat apparently is not part of the warranty. So, I had to start all over again with my tools. Thank God for Harbor Freight!!
Snap-on tools can’t survive a house fire?
I didn’t mention Snap On in my comments. I too own them, love them, but don’t advocate for them anymore for the very reasons you stated. They don’t honor their warranty. But if you research wrenches, Snap On didn’t test as well as other brands that cost less. I research every major tool purchase now.
@@MagaRickn Snap-On nor any other company should honor a warrant for your issue. You home owners insurance should have taken care of the loss.
@@mustangecoboosthpp3869 very true
I've been a Harbor Freight shopper for a number of years, and I've really seen an remarkable improvement in the general quality of their tools. I still tend to go for name brand power tools.
I have harbor freight grinders and oscillating saw. Also a compressor. Otherwise just hand tools. But I have seen great improvements over the past couple of decades.
Actually considering other tools as replacement for some ryobi tools as they fail.
The Bauer cordless line has been great for me so far.
@@jerometruitt2731 same. Hercules is straight up better, especially the drill and drivers but the Bauer is enough for me. I'm scared somebody will think it's milwaukee from a distance and steal my tools though, hahaha
Hercules is really good stuff I have a couple of friends that have bought different tools from that line and have been really impressed
Their 3 ton floor jack is also an amazing purchase. I have been using one for past ten years no problems, no hydraulic leaks, still going strong. I've seen those floorjacks in several professional garages.
I bought the Pittsburgh Low Profile 3 ton floor jack because two of my kids have cars that sit so low to the ground. I have had it for some time now, used it a lot and have had no problems at all..
only have ever had one issue with my 3 ton low pro jack but it was entirely user error. i had used it to lift a 8000 lbs boulder and my guess is 8k lbs in one spot was too much to handle. was able to be warrantied!
@@marcelmallory2761 Same here - great jack ....
If it's good enough for Freiburger and Finnegan on "Roadkill", it's good enough for me.
They’re getting a lot better every year. It’s impressive.
I'm a service plumber. I bought and continue to buy my "beater" tools from harbor freight. I have noticed that their hand tools have improved dramatically in the last 5 years. I have also noticed that on some occasions the HF tools have been better than Home Depot. And in some instances, for example my close quarters pipe cutters, were the exact same thing, but $12 cheaper
oh yeah if it's gonna get wet or "ugly" the pittsburgh stuff is pretty dame good
@@papawoffour2562 yes. I'm a DIY and I get everything Pitt. However, in a stress test a Pitt wrench or any other torque tool will break before others like Husky, Kobalt, ofc Snap On.
@@jpmartinez6608 don't use them to remove truck lug nuts, but most diy'ers can get away with using them. I'm an A&P aircraft mech, and have spent waayy too much on tools over a lifetime of turning wrenches
Their 2 and 3 foot aluminum pipe wrenches used to be a deal.
You can't compare Pittsburgh to snap on that apples and oranges. Get icon and compare it to snap on or watch the video icon beat snap on every time when the mechanic tested the non slip Icon wrenches versus snap on even the mechanic was surprised Harbor freight isn't what it was 5 10 years ago.
Yeah, the quality of tools has been improving over time, but what I like best is that they offer the good, better, best options so you can decide depending on your needs.
Prices have also been improving, for their quarterly income statements.
@@RwP223 yes rising.
Yes the prices have been quote unquote improving to where the tools that aren't garbage are about the same price as decent tools you can get at home depot. Why bother with harbor freight?
@@kcr357 Ya I agree. One thing I noticed was that their cordless power tools blew ass for the past decade, I got burned twice and said never again. Like you alluded to, I would never buy a cordless anything from HF again even if it has good ratings, because I can go to Lowes or something and get a bunch of Kobalt stuff on sale for a good price (hehe, I have several Kobalt 24v tools and several batteries).
Harbor Fright does have something going for it, and it's the specialty tools and equipment, like the wide selection of automotive tools and test equipment as a big example.
@@kcr357 Because Harbor Freight has the different classes of tools and by keeping them alive and surviving, we keep the competition with the others which will also keep prices down on all of them.
Yes, I do think the quality of HF's tools and accessories has improved compared to years ago. I have HF items within my tool arsenal. I do not misuse my tools and so far have not had any problems. Thanks for this video. I am impressed that HF reached out to you and kudos to you for creating a video explaining to viewers "the rest of the story". I will continue to support HF. After viewing your video, I have a deeper repsect for HF. Have a fine week and have a prosperous New Year. Conrinue to be truthful, thoughtful, and fair. Full-watch. 👍🏽🤠 12/26/22
I run a mechanic shop, we install millions in parts. Their icon tool brand lasts better then expected. No hassle warranty. I’ve switched from snapon to icon. I’d say 90% as good at 20% of the price. Their tool boxes are incredible good for the price.
I have shopped at H.F. for a couple of decades at this point and have seen a remarkable transformation in the quality of their tools. Many of the tools they sell now I believe to be superior to tools sold by legacy tool makers. The price point is always better.
I agree the quality has gone up significantly. However, I disagree the HF tools are superior to some other legacy tool makers. I do agree that with this improved quality that certain HF products are a solid/great value.
@@richarde1355 Surprisingly, I have found that their ratchets are better than both Craftsman and Husky. Smoother and stronger.
I can avoid problems so i have no issues with harbor freight tools breaking on me. If you want to keep snap-on in business. Its easy. Just become a CEO of any big company and buy as many snap-on tools as you can everyday. So when you need a certain tool from them, you know they will be there. They cant go down unless you go down.
@@richarde1355 Yeah, superior? That's kinda strong. As a DIY'er, HF tools are good.
@@bclev1953 I bought a socket set and driver from Craftsman and Harbor Freight around the same time, and the HFT wrench had more 'notches' allowing me to turn bolts in tight spaces! :)
Another great well reasoned and thought out video. You are a great consumer advocate for us and I'm glad your previous video had such an impact. Keep up the great work!
Thanks!
You do a great job of providing thoughtful, unbiased reports - thank you Dave.
Thanks for the compliment!
I think Harbor Freight has come a long way. Years ago I bought a few tools and supplies from them and it wasn’t very satisfying. More or less everything was on the junkie side. But these days their tools and equipment are still cheaper than everyone else but the quality has gone up considerably in my opinion. Don’t get me wrong some of the tools need some modifications to make them up to par r up to my satisfaction but for the most part I don’t have many problems with their products.
Today's cheap tools are head and shoulders better than cheap tools 20 years ago, when I started my career Craftsman was the norm for a beginner professional mechanic and there weren't any viable cheap options that weren't absolute garbage, nowadays the us general wrenches and sockets are on par with those craftsman professional from them and are perfectly serviceable for someone starting out as a mechanic
My nephew came to me a few months ago asking what tools he should buy starting out at his first mechanic job and I pointed him towards a harbor freight wrench and socket set, the guideline I gave him was whenever he breaks something to then replace it with a higher end replacement, that way he hasn't wasted money on expensive versions of tools that rarely see and use or abuse, because every mechanic has those tools in his box that haven't ever been used. I wish someone had given me the same advice a long time ago probably would have saved enough to buy a car at this point lol
that's quite the bit of wisdom, I'll pass that along for ya to anyone that'll listen.
I have shopped at Harbor freight tools since the mid-80s. I started out ordering from the catalog until they open their first store near me and I definitely believe the quality has gone up tremendously from when I first started buying tools from them, especially their cordless tool line. I love to shop there, because they almost have everything that a DIY’er would need around the home.
I used to be a mechanic, so I got the manual tire changer and changed all my tires myself. the unit did need some beefing up with some heavier steel gussets in places, and I welded all that up and it's probably good for 50 years now. I have good luck with over 90% of the things I buy there. with generators or engines make sure it has a cast-iron cylinder sleeve, like my Briggs' does 😉. that's what kills those cheap Chinese scooters and motorcycles, an aluminum cylinder liner 🙄and overall low build tolerances in the rotating assembly.
And around the shop. Nearly every automotive tool I need they have. Often, I prefer to order online from other retailers but in a pinch, HFT usually has what I need. Also, bring back the 20% coupons!
HF has improved over the years. It’s always been about being selective w your purchases based on the job you need to do. That said there is still plenty of room for improvement. Personally I recently needed a pole saw to do a one time tree trimming for a local landlord. That saw lasted to the end of the job and then had to be returned. I got the job done and got paid tho and the replacement one is holding up just fine. Moral of the story is don’t forget your good tools and you won’t have to use a $20 pole saw from HF.
I was reading your comment on an inspiration to have things get done with harbor freight but it turns out you forgot your tools 🤦🏻😅😅
I've used HF tools for decades. With this follow-up, I think you've hit the nail on the head. I buy HF when I need a cheap tool, especially a specialty tool for highly-occasional use. My workhorse tools are premium (frequently Hilti or Milwaukee). Most HF tools represent a good value if you keep your expectations in check and read reviews. I was just there last weekend, and will be again.
My problem with HF is the "Made in China" label. I used to buy into the idea that China was just a "developing nation" and they would eventually become more democratic, and it was okay to buy from HF and other Chinese-sourced discount stores, but Covid-19 pulled the wool from my eyes. The Peoples Republic of China has imperialist ambitions and exploits their own people (prison-slave labor, sweat shops, lack of environmental and safety rules, etc.). They consider all western democratic nations as their enemies and will shaft us any way they can. Sorry for the rant, but they love the idea that they can undercut America and the west because we buy from the lowest-price source without seeing past the price tag.
My two sons used to give me a hard time about buying at Harbor Freight. But as both came of age and started raising their own families, they've come to realize the need to buy smart. If you aren't going to use something all the time or work the tool hard, get the least expensive. You also aren't losing much, when you loan it out. I bought a Bauer hammer drill a couple of years ago and used it twice so far. My neighbor borrowed it last year to bust up concrete in his cellar and a slate deposit down thru his yard, to put in a new sewer line. I got it back to use a few weeks ago and it's definitely showing significant wear and tear, but it still works. He has it back again. This isn't a jack hammer....it's a large hammer drill.....not exactly what it was intended for, but...... my cousin has an auto shop and he told me years ago that he stopped buying Snapon screwdrivers and such, because of the price and started buying HF, because they lasted about as long. My oldst son has a small business building IR lights for ghost investigations and he now has numerous HF tools, including the combo disk and belt sander shown in the video. We all three have HF floor jacks have no complaints about them. I figured out years ago, that when you look at reviews for various brands of a given tool, you're going to find a certain number of one and two stars for any of them. A certain percentage of people are idiots and don't know what they're doing.....a certain percentage of tools, no matter what brand, are going to have design or manufacturing flaws. As the consumer, you have to weigh the available data against your needs to make an educated decision about your purchase. As far as country of manufacture, I buy American if available and if I can afford it, figuring sooner or later, my sons will get it. But they'll get the HF ones too. And most name brands are made in China too, so........
Thanks for the video. Very informative and well done.
One thing people forget is that tool stores that carry such a huge selection are not readily available especially as Sears is gone and what is being sold under that name is a fraction of what there used to be. I own tools from many companies including the tool trucks and those brands aren't easily replaced when they break and they DO break, HF is great about replacing broken items. Like what you said paying attention to the level of quality and use will leave you much happier. I will say is that I'm extremely happy with the Hercules line.
Good point. I have been fairly impressed with HF generally having everything in stock that I need. Usually when buying supplies such as bits or blades you need it NOW.
I replaced my snap on air impacts for the harbor freight Earthquake line. Way more torque and seems to last just as long.
I absolutely believe that their quality has gotten better, I have no issues buying from there. I've bought cherry pickers, floor jacks, Jack stands , sockets, air impacts. I'm happy with the quality and the good , better, best option really helps to fit the right tool for the right job. Have I had tool failure, yes, but most times it was user error.
I have been using HF tools for decades and for the most part have been very happy. I can not afford the really expensive other company tools. HF tools have improved in quality and features; the price and choices have gone up but some of the less expensive tools are still available and quite usable. I am a regular shopper at HF and will continue to be so as well as keeping close track of the comments and evaluations. 😉
I have been a HF customer since 1977. In the early years their quality was marginal at best. The last 20 years they have been just fine and for the prices you can’t best them.
@@DieselRamcharger I haven't noticed that. Do you have an example?
Thank you for sharing what you've learned. Yes, Harbor Freight's quality has improved tremendously over the years but don't expect lifetime service from what they sell.
I like the way this interaction went, overall. You expressed your opinion in a public forum, which is your right to do. The company took some issue but, instead of overreacting with a cease and desist order, they contacted you and in a non-confrontational manner. My belief is, if they have made major strides in quality, etc., then it will eventually be reflected in the marketplace and with influencers such as yourself.
I think that is a fair read of the situation.
I have used their equipment since the 80s. The quality has definitely gone up. Their tool replacement has gotten easier over the years and even beats out name brands. Now when I have a wrench break in a set, they replace the entire set. The biggest problem I had was with their battery op drills and drivers until they came out with Bauer and Hercules. It was always the cheap chargers that failed, not the tool or the battery. But the chargers. I told them of that after taking back batteries and charger and tool three times.
it is so refreshing to see fair and balanced reporting. thank you. my first time here very enjoyable.
Thanks so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I have not been disapointed at all with their tools. What I have bought works perfect for what they were intended for. Love the prices and will continue to buy from HF.
Hats off to Harbor Freight! I have a beater bench vice from the mid-eighties that I decided to possess from being destroyed in a factory demolition. It was hammered on hundreds of times. Chunks of the castings were broke and a part of the base was busted off.The handle was replaced with a steel pipe. But it still hold on to the job like an iron man. 😄
As a tradesman I can say that several of HF tools ,tarps or consumables have made it into my tool box. Things I like are drop cloths, zip ties, chip brushes, latex gloves and their tarps , and I buy them frequently. I have purchased a couple of the Chicago Electric tools just to try out something before I spend the money on a higher end brand. I like the Predator generators and I have one of the Pittsburg Automotive floor jacks that have worked for what I need.
Things I would never buy are any battery powered tool because I am already invested in a battery platform and I have learned my lesson over the years with that. I would probably look for used Milwaukee , DeWalt or Makita when it comes to any shop tools. I just feel like I can rely on them better to hold up and if I need parts it is much easier to find them.
Might I recommend the Daytona floor Jack lift?
It's pretty much just the snap on brand but not quite
Edit;
- as expensive
I have bought numerous 'blue' tarps but they don't hold up to the Sun's UV...I started using black tarps and they hold up much better.
@@mickturner957 I only buy tarps there as a consumable meaning one time use or very temporary use. You are correct that the black or gray tarps are much better for longer uses .
This is an excellent way to get the point across, that you get what you pay for. Harbor Freight is probably a good place to get something to learn on, but sometimes their tools can surprise you.
I’ve purchased tools from them for years. If I need a tool that is essential for many projects, I usually go with a big brand name however, in the past two years I’ve noticed a better quality product from HF. Their contractor tile saw is pretty darn good for the money. I’ve been using the oscillating cutter since it first came out and it’s a work horse. Recently I purchased a cheap welder. I could not get it to work so I called technicial support and was blown away at how patient the man was assisting me and even though I was doing something pretty stupid, he didn’t make me feel like an idiot. Overall, I will continue to buy from this store. Pretty hard to beat their prices and quality. This was a very informative video.😊
To a large degree you are correct, I have had items fail however HF has always been reasonable in standing by their products, One item stands out for me the 14 inch metal chop saw, I use to buy Milwaukee saw, each year that Milwaukee failed constantly, always just out of warranty by a week or so. They did not care period after 4-5 failures of their motors burning up, I bought a equivalent metal chop saw from HF, it is now almost five years old the motor still works well, that says a lot with this product. The basic unit, the platform the vise part I cut off and made a better functioning one for myself but the rest of the unit was Harbor Freights and has held up better than Milwaukee brand
After using Harbor Freight for years, I’ve learned that if I’m buying a light use/“couple times a year” tools I’ll easily buy from them. I’ve also found that unless you’re buying a more high end tool, HF is just as good as most big box brands
An excellent video, Dave and much appreciated. Kudos to Harbor Freight for reaching out. I do buy Harbor Freight on occasion and have had good luck with them. What is impressive is that they are extremely good about replacing things that break and they do have pretty decent warranties. As such, I don't mind doing some QA testing in exchange for a better price. The funny thing is that their overall quality did take a turn for the better around the same time that Craftsman hand tools got moved over to China. My primary hand tools are older U.S. Craftsman as well as a lot of S-K, but if I need to quickly buy an impact socket or odd-sized deep-well nowadays, odds are that the retail brands are made in China anyway, so the retailers (like Lowes and their Stanley/Craftsman "made in the U.S.A. someday" deal) has helped drive me to Harbor Freight.
This is a good time to give props to Channellock for keeping its pliers manufacturing in Pennsylvania and Milwaukee for building up capacity in Wisconsin (though still waiting for U.S. tools to show up).
When I started with my present employer I received a box with mostly used legacy tools like Crafsman , Williams , CL , Crescent, Milwaukee etc. Over the years, I'm talking 25 here, everything has held up well except the box . Specifically the drawers on this Craftsman box are shot. About a year ago I lost my Channelock pliers and they gave something similar from Harbor Freight. No way was it comparable to my CL's. Especially when it came to the years of abuse I put on my Channelocks without a letdown or loosening of the pivot joint. In many situations such as trying to get the press fit pulleys off of off shafts, which is a daily occurrence at work , the only things that would get in the tight spaces were my long nose blues. Often had to beat on those pliers to get any movement in removing the pulley. Sorry but the recently purchased Harbor Frieght pliers were junk compared to the years of abuse my Channelocks took . I made them get me a some new Channelocks if they wanted machines back up in a timely matter.
I have used the Hercules 12 inch miter saw, and it has been outstanding no matter what I needed it to do. Very precise and very powerful.
been using a 12" slide miter for over 15 years. I don't use it every day, but with a good diablo blade it has always gotten the job done
It's a mix for me. I have some things that have lasted over 10 years and keep going (anvil, vice, same belt sander as you, pipe wrenches, tile cutter, truck jack, jack stands, and so on), but then other things are pure garbage (assorted tool set (pretty much everything in it was horrible and once my income increased, I tossed all of it), drill bits (so many of them broke, while other brands are doing just fine), drill press (very wobbly, handles fall of all the time, because of how coarse the threads are, etc)). Basically, it's a gamble every time, so I rarely buy anything from them these days.
Good morning, and thanks for making this video. I saw your other video as well, and am glad someone from HF contacted you. Honestly, I thought you were a little harsh in your initial assessment, and I appreciate you coming back for this update. I've shopped at HF for years, mostly for things I needed short notice or that I knew were going to be one time use. I've had some great experiences with most of the things I've purchased at HF, and some not so great experiences with others. A couple of those negatives, I have to admit were my own fault (buying a very cheap electric drill and expecting it to mix tile set for a home project). I knew better, and it started smoking after the second batch. One negative that wasn't on me though, was a Pittsburgh ratchet that kept slipping because the screws that held it together would back out with light use. Tightening them made the ratchet not work at all. So I replaced that ratchet with a Kobalt and went on with my day. That was a few years ago though.
However, over the last 6 years, I've turned what was a hobby into a career and have needed tools for use in a professional setting. I'm in the autobody industry (body man, fabricator, welder, painter) and need lots of tools and tool storage. Admittedly, I have a lot of tool truck tools, but mostly very specific things for very specific uses. My basics though, like hand tools (ICON), and most of my cordless (Hercules), came from HF. My storage, a 56" double bank box, a 34" full bank service cart, and 30" 5 drawer mechanics cart are all American General. My welders, an OMNIPRO 220 and a PROTIG 205 were bought as factory refurbished units more than 2 years ago and work great, plus I got crazy good prices on them as refurbs.
I said all that to say this. As a professional tradesman, I see coworkers paying stupid money for tool truck tools and storage, having to pay hundreds of dollars every month for years on end to pay them off, and in some cases even seeing them repossessed for whatever reason. Most justify these purchases by claiming quality and lifetime warranty, but HF has a lifetime warranty as well, and the quality has come up drastically over the last decade or so. I've never had to return any of my ICON tools for breakage, and if I ever have to replace any of my cordless tools, I could do it a few times over for the cost of some of the tool truck brands. My storage locks just like any other box does, and I've never heard of anyone who's ever had their box broken into. I personally don't think that as a professional you have to have tool truck equipment to show that you're successful. The quality of work you do speaks for itself, and your customers don't care at all whether you use Snap-On, or HF tools to get the job done. They want quality work at a fair price, and HF helps me provide that.
Great comments, thank you!
@@DIYwithDave hey Guys I Used To Work In A Scrapyard It Got Bought Out By A China Company,. Now The Steel Gets Sent To China First
What a great response! I'm in a different industry than you I think, and I have a lot of Dewalt battery tools, and some other good tools,, but I have a number of HF tools, too, and Ive had people look at me like I was a loser when I pull them out. If I use a rotary hammer once a year, why should I pay 700 dollars (or a lot more) for it to sit in a case?. Those people who wont buy anything but Snap-On I think of as tool snobs. My grandpa taught me that the skill of the user is more important than the fancy tool, and the quality of my work is more important than the shine on my truck.
@@thedirtprincess3293 Thank you for your reply. I'm of a similar mindset as you. The quality of my work speaks for itself, The tools I use are just the means to an end. If they do the job right, what does it matter who makes them. Just yesterday, I was about to paint a panel on a vehicle with one of my HF Black Widow spray guns (one of 3 I have for work), and it blew a seal. I took it back to HF after work and they exchanged it for a new one. When I bought it I purchased a protection plan just in case something like this happened, so I had no issues returning it. I'm definitely a fan of HF and see no reason to stop using their products. They save both me, and my business money. What's not to like about that?
@@PatrickBibb I don't use my tools commercially, and I completely agree with you.
My husband is the woodworker and general handyman around the house. Like you, we used Harbor Frieght for entry level tools. Some of the tools are pretty good and others weren't worth the money we paid for them. Since we are not professionals, we don't use them in the same capacity as a professional would. When my husband's driver broke, I bought him a Dewalt. He could immediately tell the difference. My opinion remains the same. Great place for entry level tools. We never bought the Hercules line so don't know about that comparison.
My experience is the same, but I have heard that their Herculese line is much better.
@@DIYwithDave I have the Bauer tools and they are amazing I use DeWalt on the job and mikta and Milwaukee. Bauer is a Ryobi like brand for me
@@DIYwithDaveI’m also impressed with Hercules. I run Mikita on the job but did borrow my buddies Hercules once and was impressed. Not at good as my stuff but definitely way better then my old porter cable. the only Bauer I own is their toe kick saw. I needed it for 1 job but have used it on at least 10 other jobs. Still works, but for how long is anyone’s guess.
We always buy the “ warranty “ on the bigger things like a air compressor . Ours lasted for a couple of years and died but we had bought the “ warranty” they replaced it for free. Plus our location gave us the option to “ pay up “ for a better higher product.
It depends, the good better best tier has everything to do with your experience. If you bought the lowest tier then yes, Dewalt would seem better. If you buy Hercules, then no, likely not.
Harbor Freight has definitely stepped up their quality big time over the last 10 years…much much better than in the past. I really like that they have several stores in my area. I no longer feel the need to “stock up” on consumables every visit as I don’t have to drive over an hour to shop…so much better on all fronts…
The problem is, they stepped up their quality on stuff, but now the prices are so close to the name brand stuff, that it doeant make sense to buy cheap tools for $20 less than the good tools.
I have been using their tools with hardly any issues for example their dremel type tool. Mine after a few years of abuse the tool quit running my first thought was brushes and they take 5mm x5mm x 10mm that i got 20 for less than $10.00. Took the tool apart and cleaned everything up and was amazed at how well the tool was built. I also have one of their 4" angle grinder and have had the tool or over 20 years and it is still going like it is new. They do have a few bad tools but not many. The value of their tools is their best selling point MORE BANG FOR THE BUCK!!. I love the place and will continue to shop there first.
There are some tools from HF that have outlasted much more expensive tools. I'm not easy on my tools. But the one that has been great is the 1/2" torque wrench. After 2 years, I had it tested. It was still spot on.
Their quality has gone up on certain items but their prices also have, and that’s to be expected. I think they have definitely got a better lineup of tools in the last few years.
The quality of HF tools has indeed improved over the years. I buy a lot of tools at HF for mission trips and for the most part they hold up well and provide a good value. They are much appreciated by my Cuban brothers. Darlington, South Carolina
I see how fellow communists would appreciate communist made tools.
Quality has improved significantly. As you point out, some items are great and others not so much. As a contractor we buy a lot of things such as electrical tape, zip ties, drop cloths, etc.. Basic hand tools are also great. (Exception is sheet metal snips). We also buy a lot of electrical tools if they are not daily use. I wouldn't hesitate to buy any of their generators. Tool boxes... well, we bought 2 and both were missing pieces and one was completely bent out of shape. They may look like snap on, but the thickness of the metal is no comparison.
I have been shopping at Harbor Freight for around 15 years, I think. (From when I first became aware of a store in my local area - that is, within about 20 miles of where I live.) I will agree that quality of most tools (and a lot of other products) has definitely improved over time. Yes, they also have the new higher-priced brands, But as a retiree home handyman/woodworker I can't afford them, just like I can't afford Skil, DeWalt and other expensive brands. I have also seen a considerable amount of innovation in products. earlier this year I noticed a new style of eye protection goggles, with what I call a wide-angle "hemisperical" field of view. I bought one to try. The next time I was there I got four more, so now each of my major tools has one dedicated to that tool.
There are also problems. I recently bought their lowest-price hammer drill, because I needed to drill one hole in concrete. (I had sold my previous hammer drill years ago in a moving sale.) This one lasted exactly as long as I wanted it to - by the time I was finished with that hole, the hammer function had failed. There are some things they sell that I will not buy, because I feel they may be unsafe FOR ME. (Other people may think the same tool is perfectly fine. But I haven't lived for 73 years without learning a few things about myself!) And some of those things I would not buy from a higher-priced retailer either, for the same reson.)
There are whole sections of Harbor Freight that I just ignore. For example, I have not worked on our own vehicles for about 30 years, so I have little or no interest in products in that area. But I do use a few air-actuated tools in woodworking, and d there again I can generally buy 2 or 3 of an item from HF for the price of one from other stores.
Overall I am happy that Harbor Freight exists; they have a lot of good products that I can use, and I normally shop as an "informed" customer - meaning I check ratings of a product, alternatives from other sources, and look around online first.
Also it is good to know that there are actual caring humans at levels above the local store.
I bought a Harbor Freight SDS hammer drill for concrete and it still works, except motor is starting to smell. I may replace the motor and keep the drill.
great comment. I too have used harbor freight over the years. some 'early' failures and some surprises. I bought a chicago electric rotary tool and the battery failed after the second use. I got an external power supply and hardwired it...works fine but lost the convenience of wired. I also bought an angle grinder, worked for a few projects but motor went out. Now this could be that I was trying to push the limits of that. I learned from that experience to always check the ratings and understand the reason for better specs. This doesn't mean I always by the highest spec'd item. On the angle grinder, I did buy a Milwaukee that I have had now for 3 years and is still going strong, but it is a higher power motor. Honestly, if I bought the equivalent from HF (bauer or the other), I am sure it would have met my needs just fine. I also bought there cheap flux core welder. As I have never done any welding, I wanted to learn and let me tell you...for what $159 or something it is a great little tool. Now I am no welder, but I have loved having it
U said it all. I have been using HF since before there was a store in the Gresham, Or area. Fist items were refurbished (worked OK) Now U just have to be smart, cheap for one use or few. Contractor grade elsewhere. I still spend a lot of money at HF and have no complaints.
Like others, I've used HT tools for years. I started buying them because they were inexpensive and "did the job". I've had fairly good success with hand and power tools. My main complaint is not that the tools don't last - it is that, since they have started the "good-better-best" thing, they seem to have dropped many of the cheaper tools I went there to buy. Also, they used to have very good coupons ... now, the coupons exclude so many tools/brands/lines that they are almost useless.
Yes, when it comes to their cheap tools, you get what you pay for - but, when I only need a cheap tool, I don't want to have to pay DIY prices because HF decided to drop the whole reason I shop there.
I imagine the amount of returns exceeded the a threshold where the profit was too low to cover the cost of processing a return. Just a guess. But I agree - once you start doing that better option the price gets high enough you might as well go with the named brand product.
Totally agree!
I have stopped shopping HF as often as I used to since the coupons went away. I have a couple of dual chuck tire inflaters that cost 5.99 or so. All of the sudden I noticed in the store one day the 5.99 model was gone and it was replaced by a "Merlin" brand for 40 or 50 bucks! It might be more accurate or more durable, but he6 dollar ones I have had for ten years or so are fine for my needs.
A couple of years ago I decided to finally invest in some cordless tools. I tried to consider HF but with 3 different brands and a 4th for garden tools, it did not make sense. I went with Dewalt and have several tools and only need a few batteries.
@@tbirdracefan The tire pressure gauges are by far the worst things I have bought at HF - poor fit on the valve stems, poor agreement from one to another, leaky hose swages.... I am happy with most HF tools but not the inflators or tire pressure gauges. (Disclaimer - I have not bought any in the last year or so.)
I haven't been to HF for several years, they no longer sell 'cheap' tools. If I need a cheap tool for a one time job, the local big box store has an abundant supply.
Been a general contractor for 40 years. I generally avoid HF. However, if you need a tool for a one off project, they are a reasonable option. Also if the tool is going to get used in super harsh conditions again it is worth considering.
I have had a few surprises. Their bottle jacks and bar clamps have worked well and were good values.
I have a 2 ton jack that has been a lifesaver, & held up remarkably well.
I’ve been shopping at Harbor Freight for years and their quality has definitely improved. That being said, I mostly buy from their “best” line because I have bought some total duds from their “good” line. Your recommendation of looking at the reviews is spot on and something I myself do regularly.
As having worked as a professional mechanic and having bought expensive good tools, I can say that HFs tools are great for the average person. I have many replacements bought there and never regretted any purchase
This was a great video that makes me feel better about HF. They fill a huge gap in market needs. Their Predator generators are fantastic as well as their tool boxes. Sometimes I just need a tool to use once or twice and I don’t want to invest a fortune in it. HF always seems to have a tool for that job.
Predator generator starts in about 3 pulls. I spent as much for the double throw box as I did for the generator, but now I have a "plug and play" system for basic electric needs in an emergency. No extension cords or open door or window when power goes out.
I don't have a Hbr Freight near me, so, for me, it's like I'm a kid going to a toy store; after I get what I made the trip for, I walk all the aisles and pick up some angled picks, tape, 2# sledge, glue, tent pegs, coal chisel, and the best deal anywhere on new wheels for my dolly/hand truck (it's cheaper to buy a tire ON the rim than it is to fix the flat! I keep a spare wheel in the shop! (not that I've had excess flats with HF wheels; I'm pretty hard on my gear). I'm a boat builder and own 6 or 7 different grinders/sander-polishers (I keep them loaded with different pads, grits, & discs so I can change tools instead of changing discs/sandpaper): 4", 6, metal grinder, hard disc, soft pad, polishers, buffers: I've got three Hbr Freight tools in the mix (Makita, B&D, Milwaukee) and I've never had a HF tool fail. I actually like the ergonomics best ever on one of them, and the simpler on/off switch lets me feather the disc speed to taper off when sanding to a fine edge or wet sanding: also, speed settings so I don't wind'er up to "too fast". I don't use ANY Velcro discs (just don't care for them); HF's self-adhesive discs stick and stay stuck until you decide to peel them off, and they usually load-up before the lose their cutting power. The belt sander belts are terrific. The only disappointment I can recall is a big drill index: just not up to snuff.
I've had really good luck with HF products. Although I don't use them on a professional level, I have had some big projects and when the tool broke, I simply took it back and got a replacement without any issues or hassle from the staff. I love this place!
They have definitely improved over the years even the low end warrior line has been improving. I bought the $25 drill light pack about 3 years ago and I barely got the battery to last for a light duty project (10 min run time against plastic.) I also picked up the new warrior drill a few months back and is easily 3 times the usability on a more efficient battery.
Oh the warrior line. Lol I had the same combo. I mostly bought it for the light and just have an extra drill in case my better ones batteries died. I abused that drill so hard before I broke it, I know going into it that it was going to die. The light was durable as long as you didn’t drop it. Then it was game over.😂 I had them many years ago when cordless lights were coming out.
Small but really big story I personally had with harbor freight. Some years ago I had a manager tell me he was not going to open a new item so that I could look at it unless I purchased it first. Now understand this was a large item and let's say over $300.00 dollars. Needless to say I was beyond unhappy that the display unit was not the new version and I could not really see it anyway in the place it was on display! Unhappy and bitter. Sitting in the parking lot I called harbor freight corporate office! And to my surprise they not only listened but had a district manager call me back! After a long explanation again he informed me that the man who introduced himself as the manager was not and if I was willing to go back or to any other harbor freight store he assured me not only would I see it but I would be happy with the price. Now the good part! Yes I did go to another store and I was met at the door by the store manager and he introduced himself and called me by name. The item turned out to be exactly what I wanted and the district manager had left orders to take $200.00 off the $300.00 dollar bill. And yes I did buy other things then and since then. Great customer service. I would usually say you get what you pay for however on another item I purchased a cheap cheap drill to crank up my pop-up trailer since it would probably not make it past vacation a $25.00 drill was not a big deal if it was trash at the end of 40 minutes of running! Ya well that was 6 maybe 7 years ago and I have used it to drill put furniture together and who knows what more and it still works. Long read but I in the end still go to and buy harbor freight tools. Just realize what you need the tool for. Long time use or is it something use once and put it on the shelf! As for my view harbor freight is a good place to buy from.
Thanks for sharing!
Yes, tool quality has improved over the years. Yes, little used simple tools are fine. Really extra exam on tools needed for heavy or frequent use. Kudos to you and the company. They cared enough to contact you. You asked the hard questions.
Also, too, especially when you're looking at woodworking power tools/machines, Harbor Freight has several items that are exactly the same as the higher priced competitors. It's all just rebranded. You can easily find stuff that Shop Fox, Grizzley, Wen, and others sell in their entry level lines, just with a different paint job. Those other brands tend to sell them for a much higher cost. I bought a lathe from HF a couple of years ago after doing a ton of research. Turned out, it was exactly the same lathe Shop Fox, Grizzley, Delta, and Wen had. The HF ran me about $220, whereas the others started at over $400. You also have the Daytona floor jacks. Snap-On took HF to court a few years ago over it. Snap-On lost. Apparantly, both jacks were made in the same factory in China (remember, Snap-On loves pandering to the patriotic with their Made in The USA claims).
But, I think HF's hey day is coming to an end since their prices aren't as great as they used to be. Killing off the 20/25% and freebie coupons signalled the changes.
A lot of times, I’d buy a Harbor Freight tool to see if I would use it often enough to make it worth upgrading. In most cases those tools are the ones I’m still using ten years later. Not all we’re winners, but a lot of them have been.
The Hercules and Bauer lines - along with the ICON and Pittsburgh wrenches and sockets - have definitely improved. I have many Harbor Freight tools - including a Yukon roll around tool cabinet. I have been burned on a few of them - but I'm still miles ahead of buying all Snap-On or even Craftsman. I'm just an avid do-it-yourselfer and take good care of all my tools. I'm a Harbor Freight fan - no doubt about it.
I have Pittsburg wrenches that are worthless because of poor metal used in construction and can no longer grip the heads. Sorry, just the truth.
Replaced them long ago with Craftsman before Sears sold the line, never a problem?
@@user-qy9tf2im7fPittsburgh is their cheapest line of tools, no doubt but I can't tell you how many Craftsman tools I've broken over the years but kept using Craftsman because Sears would replace them no questions ask, walk in, grab tool, stop at CS and walk out. Not so great anymore that Sears isn't around anymore.
As I said, Pittsburgh at HF (and the city) are pretty bottom of the barrel but, a screwdriver is $1. It's hard to be mad at that. If you go buy a $2 box wrench and crank on it with a breaker bar, then expect it to not hold up as well as Icon or more higher end versions.
I like that you issued this update, and I think it speaks well to you, and your own standards. I also thought it was interesting to see a little bit into what goes in to HFT's own processes.
I think it says a lot for HF for reaching out to You. Now that they do have some higher end tools really the choice has been put on the consumer. I think some of their tools are just as good as other name brand ones.
I think your video and opinions expressed are spot on and accurate. That being said, I will say that I think HF has improved the quality of some of their products. There is definitely plenty of room left to improve,and I hope that is the way the company continues to trend.
Yes, they have done a lot in improving tool quality. I used to only buy from HF if I only needed it to last a few uses. But that HAS changed a bit.
I do agree that the quality if HF's tools has gone up. More importantly I definitely agree that their quality is great in reference to their Daytona jacks. My dad is a mechanic and a huge Snap-on guy and even he was impressed by the Daytona jack. So impressed that he went about bought one.
I'm a tree shade mechanic and absolutely love their Daytona jacks and stands. I have the 3 ton green set and can easily lift my Ford E350.
And their Predator 2,000 watt generator has worked great for me as well.
I consider myself a beginner/novice level hobbyist woodworker. I started roughly 7 years ago and only invest time into projects for around my home. I've never sold an item and don't plan to anytime soon. To shorten the story, a few years ago our hobby budget got to the level that I wished to invest in a plunge router to compliment the skills I had developed with hand tools. After researching, I landed upon the Chicago Electric Professional 2 1/2 HP which had a number of informational reviews and videos of the pros and cons. It didn't hurt that I had a nice discount coupon from HF. As I have used it more, the tool performs as described by many- a workhorse with substantial power and a little on the heavy side. I also have various size Pittsburgh clamps for layouts and glue ups that get frequent use in my workshop (aka garage).
Thanks for the research and opinions in both the original as well as this follow up video!
Hi Dave. Liked you video on what to buy and what not to buy at Harbor Freight.
I have been in the HVAC trade for 30 years. I worked at a major University on every kind of equipment you can think of. Unlike residential HVAC, we worked on electric, large horsepower motors, plumbing, pipe fitting, steam, etc. You get the idea.
When I first started out in the trade, I would only buy tools made in the United States. Craftsman was a great brand. And you couldn't beat their replacement guarantee.
However, as the brands began moving to foreign markets for manufacturing and materials, I looked elsewhere.
Short story long, and some advice for newer and lower paid mechanics in all trades is this. If you have tools, any tools. Electric or otherwise, that you use regularly, buy the more expensive American made tools.
However, if you just need a specific tool that you may use for one or two jobs in your career, then buy cheap. BUT still with a lifetime guarantee. Places like Advance Auto sell decent tools at a good price that will be replaced. No questions asked, if they break. And a lot of what Dave was talking about, you may be surprised how good some of those cheaper tools perform and last. Thanks again Dave. Hope this is helpful.
That was great, thanks for sharing!
I've gone with the upgrade when they break method. Just buy the next level up when I break something. Eventually I'll find the level I need for that tool, but I'm betting I saved a lot of money from jumping immediately to snapon
@@gwartard snap-on is a huge waste of money for some trades. It really depends on how often you need a precision tool vs a tool that you use often for general jobs.
Like anything else. But as an HVAC mechanic, there were more times than not that I just needed a reliable tool that was within acceptable tolerances. If one broke, then I got it replaced free.
It's like people who just have to wear certain brands of clothes or drive certain makes of cars. A lot of it is just status.
@scottnelson7389 agreed. I think a lot of things are jewelery. You have them so other people can see you have them. I'm absolutely brutal to my my 3/8 ratchets. I know I'm using them way past their limit, but it's nice watching that Hawaii vacation drift away from my trucks guy as I hand in another 4.
I think you make a good point. Just buying the cheapest tool often results in having to buy that tool more than once. Buying a better tool often lasts a long time depending on use. I look at it this way. Will the tool's failure result in serious bodily injury or death? If so, then I get the best I can afford, often US made. As an example, I only buy US Jacks for car jack stands, and while I get not everyone can afford those, buying the cheapest jack stands is mind boggling to me. I am glad that Harbor Freight recalled its jack stands when it found problems, but you know there are a ton of them still out there with potential defects that never got returned.
On the other hand, even if I was a professional mechanic, I just can't see how spending 5x other brands on stuff makes any sense. It is so over the top expensive that you are really cutting into your margins having to pay that off. If you want fancy stuff, you can get great European or Japanese made tools that are just as good at a fraction of the cost. I like the Icon stuff, but I think it is expensive in comparison to Tekton, which has high quality stuff at good prices. I also like that you can buy single sizes and tools so you don't waste space and money on the 16mm socket you will never use.
I have the Hercules miter saw stand and it’s awesome! Had the Ryobi one for my 12” sliding miter saw and always wanted one with wheels. Only improvement I can think of would be to have a plug box mounted somewhere!
It impressed me that they talked to you and were willing to listen.I bought a rotary mower replacement engine (priced $230.00)and it turned our to be worthless right from the start. I just don't trust anything electrical and or mechanical from HF. I'm cautious about hand tools. Sometimes I opt to just go to the local Flee market.
I’ve been a customer for about 10 years now and yes I agree that their products have been getting better in quality. Their prices are the reason I shop there but what you pay, you get almost the same or the same in productivity as you would any other product if you’re a DIY guy like me. Happy customer.
I love when there's a follow up and the company actually responds to things Politely. Yeah I think their quality has gone up. I'm glad that they're changing their marketing strategy because I'm not sure the better best categories were that visible before and I think this market strategy is going to be really good. and a lot of products have a higher price mostly because of the name and logo think what were those headphones that were very popular remember they were the hot thing and they were really expensive they weren't that good compared to some other offerings. Although it did drive the market forward also raise the prices things as companies realized they could charge more.
I finally remembered they were beats headphones. and I guess they got bought by Apple?
Harbor Freight is exactly what it is. I feel like folks that shop there know where they are, what they need and the quality of the items they purchase. They are a godsend for people on a budget who need tools for one off jobs and don't need top of the line stuff to do it. If you go in with gold standard expectations on durability and quality you are going to be dissapointed. Thank you Harbor Freight for providing a source for budget friendly tools!!!
Appreciate both the HF videos you made. I have a number of HF tools that have lasted years and never broken. I watch a bunch of off-road recovery guys in Utah and one in Oregon, and they all have the HF Badland brand winches. The guy in Oregon swears by them and got rid of all his Warn winches after they wouldn't honor the warranty on a brand-new winch that broke. Bought our first Badland winch this week.
My experience with Harbor Freight is you have to be selective with your purchases. Most of their hand tools, heavier equipment, air tools, and predator engines are usually solid performers. Toolboxes, carts, and stuff like that can vary a lot in quality so make good choices. The low end electric tools are way too prone to failure, don't buy. NEVER buy abrasives from them, like sand paper or grinding discs, total junk. Most of their consumables aren't worth purchasing, some welding supplies are an exception.
What welding stuff do you recommend?
@@princetchalla2441 Most of their welding consumables are fine. Rod, tips, and solid wire are fine. Don't use their flux core wire though, tends to have feed problems from where the wire isn't properly rolled, you'll find strips like 3 feet long where the wire is near flat, though to be fair I've had the same issue with Lincoln Electric flux core wire too.
Ran quite a bit of HF's 6013 and 6011, and it burned pretty much like every other bead of the stuff I've ever run from any other supplier. I assume the other standard rods like 7018 probably run fine but haven't used them so don't hold me to it.
Their oxy acetylene tips seem to withstand the test of time too, at least for light work. Sure if you're cutting all day you might want to get a good Victor tip, but for scarfing the occasional bit of steel off of a frame or heating a bolt cherry red, they work great year after year.
I can't speak for their TIG stuff since I've never used it. I don't own a TIG welder, I go to my friends garage if I need, and he never lets me buy my own supplies, insists use it up, he never will... Then he buys more. Good guy.
I use one of their auto dark welding hoods and it works quite well, however the clear lenses are an oddball size that can only be bought at harbor freight and they never seem to have the inner clear lense in stock. Would be great for a weekend warrior welding hood though
10 years ago I wouldn't consider buying a power tool from Harbor Freight no matter the deal but that has changed. Honest reviews and a tiered grading system on products are the main factors that led to a change in my perception. I admit I've bought some tools that weren't strong enough for the job I was doing and I just returned them and got the right tool. In the event of a tool failing immediately after purchasing it they make returning stuff very easy.
I just read over a dozen 1 star reviews on their corporate Google maps reviews and many customers complain about how hard it is to retern defective tools and the 20% RESTOCKING FEE that is almost hard to see in the fine print
So, are you sure you had a good experience?
I'm very happy with the products Harbor Freight provides. I'm not a professional and torture my tools but, I'm a DIY'er and the quality is more than adequate for my purposes
Absolutely. HF ain't what Craftsman was when I was a kid, but they do have much better tools than they used to.
I'm a maker and a home DIY guy and I buy tools according to how often I will use them. My battery tools are Ryobi and they see a moderate/heavy amount of use at home but they aren't my livelihood. I have lots of fantastic HF tools that I only use once or twice a year, or sometimes I buy them because I need it for one specific job and instead of paying to rent a tool I now own it outright. Just today I bought the Bauer portable bandsaw to cut some pipe. The tool and blade cost $100! but now I've got a great tool for anything I might need it for in the future. I also buy expendables and parts at HF and they've never let me down. I have a hammer drill I've used countless times and a heat gun that my grandfather bought 20+ years ago. They perform admirably. The air hoses and fittings are also a great value. The only thing I steer clear from are Chicago Electric, tool bits, and screws. I am a big HF fan. They make diy projects and filling out my shop attainable for a guy like me on a budget.
Great video.
Great insight! Thanks for watching!
I have a 1/2 in drive corded hammer drill that I paid $39.99 for that has not failed me. I also purchase air hoses and fittings from them. I met one guy who makes custom guitars and mandolins and uses HF tools exclusively. Something that many people do not know is how many American brands are actually made outside the country. I have an 8 gallon oil-based air compressor from HFT that is several years old.
@@Rondogardener unfortunately, the $20 warrior hammer drill I bought, the hammer function quit working after about 10 holes but I wasn't angry. I knew I had paid $20 for a hammer drill that turned out just to end up as a regular drill. Point being, I think people need to curb their expectations and maybe had I bought the $40 version, as you did, it would still be serving me well.
I have been buying HF tools for years and I am a carpenter / more often cabinet maker. I truly believe and have been saying for years their quality has gone up considerably. 100% Absolutely has . I have to a large degree had good luck with most of my purchases. I have been testing Hercules head to head against Makita in 2 tools, 1: 1/2” cordless drill 2: cordless impact driver. Honestly the function is pretty much identical. Fit and finish very slightly better on the Makita. I feel keeping the really inexpensive line is good as some people wont use them every year, let alone every week. Currently EVERYTHING is expensive! Gas , milk , eggs plus it can be very difficult to find a contractor. So having a way for a person to try to do a repair or a project as affordably as possible is important.
Great comment, thanks for sharing!
You can only complain about cost of living if you didn't vote for it. It is 100% political and not market driven.
@@svenjorgensenn8418 I didn’t complain I stated a fact. This is about tools not politics.
@@svenjorgensenn8418 You are 100% incorrect.
By far their quality has gone way up, So has their life time warranty on some tools.
I don't think it's so much that you get what you pay for as it's you can buy what you need.
Huge thumbs up to Harbor Freight for taking time to talk and explain things with you.
And they do more then just tools , They try to help the community and fundraising groups.
Keep the videos coming Dave and tell HF thanks.
I agree but I gotta say As someone who is a professional Motorcycle Tech for the last 10 years I gotta big surprise for you..... The first thing my Master Tech ever told me was "Buy Cheap then upgrade when it breaks" and 95% of my tool box is from Harbor freight because it simply hasn't broke and I'm willing to bet if you take a look in your mechanic's box you'd see a lot of HB tools in theirs too. We hire alot of techs, not because of the pay but because we have a Tech school in my town and we are generally a "Foot in the door" Dealership where they come work for us for 6 months to a year and then they move on to a bigger area so we sat down one day and made out a realistic list of what they will need the first 6 months- a year because a first time/Novice tech is not tearing a motor down and rebuilding it, They're doing a shit load of oil changes, Tire changes, mileage services, PDI's (Post Delivery Inspections) when we get new bikes and general maintenace stuff so they don't need $25,000 worth of tools, basically a good socket set, a good allen socket set, a ratchet and a good Torque wrench and we just print it off for them and send them to Harbor Freight, the only thing I don't suggest them to get is a Torque wrench from Harbor Freight, I tell them to get one from either Tractor Supply or Northern tools, I have a Snap-on set but I got mine for free when I graduated from school using my graduation voucher.
Very impressed with how harbour freight handled this interaction with you, glad it's US owned!
I agree that HF tools have gone up in quality. They used to be almost literally throw-away tools. Especially their “Best” tools, which I find every bit as good as name brands. They’re not insanely cheap, merely good value. I also agree that for hand tools like wrenches, hammers, screwdrivers, etc. they’re great if you’re a shade tree mechanic or DIY woodworker. I love HF and have a good sense for what I’m getting when I buy from them.
I agree here, when I visited my first Harbor Freight 15-20 years ago, all I saw was cheap chinese garbage. I mean, literal crap. They've really upped their game now, and for a homeowner or non-commercial user, they have upped their quality to the point where big box stores can't compete.
As a heavy truck mechanic who had his tools stolen about 10 years ago, without Harbour freight I'd have been working at Walmart. I started off with Pittsburgh lifetime wrenches and impact sockets with no issues and as the years have gone by there have been more and more things that I'll buy. Even before you look at the price and the warranty, Hercules tools are a winner. Bauer is on the borderline between prosumer and pro. Hercules is definitely pro and 5 year warranty on 20v? Let's see any other company match that.
I’ve definitely seen a jump in quality in HF tools. 10 years ago you couldn’t give me a HF ratchet, but now I own Icon ratchet’s and some higher end power tools from HF. The one thing I’ve always kept is the Pittsburgh 1” sockets… pure valve for good sockets.
True they were absolute junk 10 years ago and I would still not buy an everyday tool from them, tarps, boxes and other accessories, no problem.
Tools except for home DIY fine, everyday professional use, no way. They are better, but not up to professional standards!
This is a great video Dave - thank you. I can only speak for myself, but when it comes to tools, I have learned to buy the best that I can afford. It saves me money in the long run...
Harbor freight has improved and I love their tools for my home owner use. I love them. They’re my first stop
Yes I would agree that the quality of certain items have increased. Icon tools, Doyle tools, Tool boxes and generators are a very good value for the money. Floor jacks have also improved dramatically.
DIY with Dave... I will say that Harbor Freights tools have come a long way in terms of quality. A lot people hate on HF because they compare some of their tools to Snap-on. People do not have a problem buying tools from other companies like Capri, Tekton, OEM tools, ARES tools and a long list of others that have tools made by someone else and most not in the USA. I don't understand the hate on HF. I just bought two different tools from the same brand name from Home Depot and one says made in China and the other one says made in Vietnam.
Nice follow up video!
Harbor freight sources internationally just like almost everybody else. Please remember they also employ over 20K Americans. They also give back to the community. No, I am not affiliated with HF except I am a long time satisfied customer. I have gotten to know several of the managers here in the Vegas valley. All the stores here do a good job, in my humble opinion. 🤠👍💯
Great point. Thanks!
LOL,,'give back to them community' come on!, HF pays poverty wages here, while exploiting even worse wages in other countries, to sell inferior copy products here They could care less about "america", you, the planet or anyone else. Not saying they are any different than most other large companies, but lets not make them out to be some kind of folk hero.
@@curtismann6851 Thank you for your reply 👍
I can understand your reasoning. Please allow me to define "giving to the community."
Specifically the "Tools for Schools" program. Since 2017 HF has given $6 million dollars for this program. That's giving back, Curtis. 👍
Great video here. Harbor Freight has definitely improved in the quality of their tools. Been using them for 12 years.
I now go there first before I go anywhere else. I am a DIY person but care about quality and safety. So far I have had nothing but good luck at HFT!
I was in the USAF as a jet mechanic and also in charge of buying and providing tools for all the mechanics. We had two huge hangars with capacity for 20 F-16's. I had to provide two large tool box's for each dock so at least 40 tool box's and tools. I am pretty critical of tool quality and I do shop at HF. I have seen the quality of Harbor Freight go up since they started and I have had some products that need improvement like the floor jacks I have (the swivel wheels break off with no replacements available) I am impressed by the newer tools but I buy carefully and if I need something for a critical job I still go with Snap on. I bought a parts washer cabinet from HF and when I put it together I sealed it myself because the provided seals were lacking and added a light and a glass window, in the end I have a good cabinet I can use for either dry media or vapor blasting. I have bought some solar lights that lasted a few weeks and a 4 panel solar system that works great after I sealed the panels against leaks. All in all I use HF tools a fair amount and as long as you don't expect to use them for production they are fine. With Craftsman going away I think HF could fill that void now that they are offering a lifetime warranty on some tools. I have about $120,000 worth of tools in my two shops and i would guess that HF makes up about 5% of that number. Keep going up HF.
Great experience. Thanks for sharing!
The Defective product part of your previous video is true, I've bought socket bits & Impact driver bits that broke pretty easily despite Impact rating on the box. But as long you keep the receipt they replace what got broken fairly easily. 👨🏿🔧
Great point!
It depends what it is and what you're doing with it. That's really the only way to put it. I have some that are great for weekend projects, but I wouldn't put them in my box at the shop and use them all day everyday. That's what snap-on, Mac, Cornwell, and the elusive Matco tools are for.
I’m a big fan of HarborFreight I love the Hercules brand, however I think I’m cursed because every time I buy something from HarborFreight that has anything to do with Hercules cordless hand tool, I swear a couple months later they end up coming out with a brushless model.. I’ve never had a problem with any of the Hercules cordless tools brushless or non-brushless but I’m slowly upgrading to brushless. My only gripe is that when I go into HarborFreight I see that the Bauer line is blowing Hercules away. I’m not a huge fan of Bauer but they are coming out with more products than Hercules.
I Don’t want to have a bunch of cordless tools with a bunch of battery chargers and different batteries I’d rather just stick with one line of the handheld cordless tools.
Yes, their quality offerings have expanded, and yes, they still have ultra cheap tools. Like you said, and like the HF guy told you, it is important to buy for the mission. I'm really good at destroying ratchets and the mid-price HF ones defintiely hold up to my abuse more than the Kobalt ones.
I agree to an extent, the quality has gotten better and I have and will continue to buy certain tools from them, however, the drill analogy is not a very good one. The ad itself compares their drill to DeWalt and then he slides to the fact that you may need to buy a stronger drill to build a deck....but as a commercial contractor my DeWalt drills handles both just fine. VERY bad analogy in my opinion. If their drill isn't strong enough to handle DeWalt jobs, it's very deceiving to compare them in their advertisement. Like the original poster said, I'll continue to buy some hand tools from them but when it comes to power tools, I'll pay the extra for DeWalt (or maybe even Ryobi 🙂).
okay then. that's a lot of words just to say "purchase for the mission".
Their tool boxes have gotten way better. Their floor jacks are the same as my snap one for a fraction of the price. Many of their products are nice, just have to pick and choose.
Sorry, but have owned both and the snap on jack now 30 years old is still working. Threw the Harbor Fright jack out within 2 years after purchase.
Harbor Freight are not built for every day use. Cannot find one comment from an everyday User in the Section?
@@user-qy9tf2im7f You should read the lawsuit SnapOn vs HF about their floor jack. HF provided evidence their floor jacks are sourced from the exact same catalog and manufacturer model as SnapOn...then SnapOn dropped their case. Only difference is the name on the label and SnapOn marked it 4-5x higher
I agree completely that the quality of harbor freight tools have gone up over the years but as you stated and they contested I also agree that quality control is an issue. Ive had a $20 angle grinder that I absolutely abuse all the time for years and it doesnt skip a beat but ive also seen tools off their “better” and “best” categories fail right out of the box
I've retired after 31 years as a custom woodworker. I've bought few things in a pinch from Harbor Freight. I had one issue with a portable dust collector. It had a 1/2" x 1/2" screen to prevent chips from getting into the blower. However, it quickly got jammed up. I cut the screen out and haven't had any issue since. I'm pretty satisfied with everything including a large mechanics tool set and a "professional" floor jack. So I have nothing to complain about and as you mentioned, if long term use in necessary, I'd recommend products by Dewalt or Porter Cable.
Very good, clear and articulate video. Your self deprecating comments were unnecessary, because you were right on top of everything and asked intelligent thoughtful questions. You are indeed a very competent, intelligent person.
I bought a vise from harbor freight which I used to hammer some metal parts. The vise broke after only a few uses and I was not using it like an anvil, nor doing much hammering. I would never waste my money at harbor freight buying work-horse tools or for any precision work.
Regardless of what harbor freight says, there is always a sacrifice of quality for lower price.
Thumb's up for a truly superb and fair follow-up video! Since you ask for comment on it, there's absolutely no doubt that Harbor Freight has upped the quality ante of its offerings across the board over the past few years. One merely needs to take a quick peek at a set of 4 Chicago Forge springclip or circlip pliers I bought from them for like $3 well over a decade ago and compare them with what's on their shelves nowadays. Mine truly _look_ like they they were pounded out by some guy in sandals in his backyard forge-and-barbecue-grill, and their clear vinyl package resembles a repurposed tampon pack whose labelling was stamped on with a carved potato where they misspelled the word "PLEIRS". But you know what? All these years later they continue to work just fine. For the few spring clips I deal with they're an ideal mix of low cost and "just good enough" quality you described. My hunch is that for my modest needs they'll likely last forever. Happy bottom-feeder that I am, I have long adored 'Horror Fright' for such "make do" tools. I just hope they don't get too "hoity-toity" for guys like me. If I had one beef with them it would be their lack of after-sales support. For example, why the hell can't they stock batteries and chargers for their legacy cordless tools?! Even just offering them on their website by mail order or in-store pickup would be preferable to the current sudden dearth and death situation. You cannot seriously tell me they couldn't get an order of 18 Volt batteries made up now and then for their old Drill Master gear. But they keep pushing their old otherwise reliable stuff onto an ice floe. They first did it with the old "Blue Series" that used the big post-type batteries, and just a couple of years ago they stopped offering the slide-on ones for the later Drill Master gear. They must have sold hundreds of thousands of those things. So what? We're all supposed to just toss all those perfectly fine tools into the landfills now once their batteries give out!? And how about doing a better job selling more parts and other consumables for their other gear? For example, how can they seriously NOT offer replacement chains for those Pittsburgh chainsaws? A few years ago they seemed to start making some cursory gestures towards at least _some_ parts support, but this effort seems to have since stalled.
Thanks for sharing! I appreciate your thoughtful comments.
Try taking those old batteries to a battery rebuilder. Not cheap but it’ll save your tools.
@Bill I've actually held onto my old long worn out "post type" 18V NiCads from my really old "Blue Series" DrillMaster stuff of yore with rebuilding them one day myself in mind. There are several straightforward step-by-step tutorials for it right here on YooToob. It's not that the old Blue Series drills were so great, but their other old $29 multiple tool kit offerings, like the little cordless jig saw and especially that detail sander with the hook and loop triangular sanding pads were just superb. I rehabbed our whole place, especially what turned out to be its lovely solid and quartersawn oak kitchen cabinetry from the '60s, with that kit when we bought it back 2008. It was the best-balanced detail sander I've ever used. It also did a great job refinishing much of our craigslist-sourced oaky furniture, including a huge 12 foot long old German wall cabinet unit that looks like the HMS Bounty had backed into our living room. But to be honest, rebuilding and soldering up my nearly 20 year old NiCads is pretty far down on my To Do List. In the interim, I found a sort of adaptor online for the old post-type "Blue Series" DrillMaster gear that takes the newer style slide-on batteries, and still have a half dozen or so fresh ones of those still in their packages bought on their clearance closeout when they scuttled the DrillMaster brand to tide me over.
Some HF tools have gone up in quality over the last few years. I can speak to the Bauer line as I own the belt sander/disc combo sander. I got it for right around $100 and it has been a great tool in my small woodshop. Also, the new Bremen clamps, as well as, the hand screw wood clamps in HF are of excellent quality. Chicago Electric was & still is the bottom of the barrel.
I totally agree on the chicago tools..BUT..I have 2 chicago sliding 10" miter saws , the cheapos. One is at least 7-8 years old and the other is about 3-4 years old...I have never had any issues with them and that's amazing. They certainly aren't a contractor grade but for the heavy use homeowner they have been great...and I work them pretty hard sometimes. To give an idea of age...of course with coupons, I paid $79 and $89 for newer one...That was a value!!
@@steves3688 That price is a steal!! Ahhh the good old days when you can use a 20% coupon and on holidays get to combine it with a parking lot sale. I won't touch certain tools at HF because I had 2 bad experiences with the Chicago brand, and that's why I steer clear. An oscillating tool broke after 3 uses. Granted, it was $10 with a coupon but still, 3 uses. The other was a sheet sander that did not sand...AT ALL. It actually oscillated better than the oscillating tool...lol...but didn't clear any material away. I am HF all the way when it comes to stuff like zip ties, glue, and other consumables. I am just a lot more selective with tool purchases there.
Chicano Electric.
One thing almost everyone seems to forget, despite the fact it’s printed on the top of every Pittsburgh hand tool and in different wording on the higher end brands, is that EVERY hand tool at harbor freight has a lifetime warranty. No receipt required. We operate off of “if you have it you obviously bought it” when it comes to lifetime warranties. This experience may vary depending on the experience and knowledge of your local store, but if any hand tool (wrench, socket, plier, screwdriver, pry bar, etc) breaks or has a defect impacting its ability to do its job, bring it in and get a brand new one, or it’s equivalent if it’s been discontinued, for free. I understand wanting to buy high end tools and name brands, as I have Milwaukee tools, so I have used the “buy once cry once” saying to justify purchases to myself before, but at HF with hand tools, I’d rather spend $10 on a tool I can get a free replacement for within a 10 minute drive, 7 days a week, than pony up potentially $100s more for a name brand with either no warranty or a limited service agreement/unusable “warranty”.
The "old" Craftsman hand tools used to have a lifetime warranty too......
I’m a maintenance manager. I am a diesel technician myself. My company does buy tools. I made the switch to buying tools and power tools from Harbor Freight. Yes I can buy name brands tools. But I decided to to give them a try. The hand tools, have held up just as good as name brands. Even the battery powered tools have really amazed me. I have spent years building my own personal tool collection. Mostly snap-on and Milwaukee. Now I can see that I could have saved thousands of dollars. Getting the same results. So far this year I’ve probably spent we’ll say at lot money buying tools at Harbor Freight. Thank you for a great video.