Bojack Horseman and Fatherhood.
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- One of my RUclips viewers pointed this common pattern out to me, and I can't believe I haven't made a video about this already! He does truly want to be a father in the worst way, specifically with a girl to raise, so that he doesn't have to face (too many) of his own demons. A really interesting and introspective look on Bojack's relationship with Hollyhock, Sarah Lynn, etc.
I think it definitely does stem from his childhood (as many of his issues do) and his relationship with his mother, most importantly. Their treatment of him reflects in his ultimate goals as a parent and why he puts so much emphasis on having a daughter specifically.
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This is related so much to "Xerox of a Xerox". His only "father figure", Secretariate, was a only a persona of a persona of a father figure.
This idea clicked for me the moment I realized his fantasy daughter is the spitting image of his mom
BoJack’s relationships with woman reminded BoJack’s issues with roles of women and girls remind me of the way how many people can only box women into four groups mothers, daughters, desirable and undesirables due to how they were raised and taught to interact with women and girls.
They can’t see women and girls as fully fleshed out individuals like the men in their lives and can only view and be around them if they’re boxed in as such. With many they also move them into different boxes if they can’t comprehend that the women and girls are more than their initial category they arbitrarily assigned them.
He doesn't have female friends without any previous or future sexyal involvement
Like:
PC - dated years
Diane - kissed (glad they ended up platonic)
Sarah lynn - slept with
Anna - slept with
All women he crosses that boundary with
And that should tell you a lot about society.
fish out of water is another interesting perspective of bojack being a father figure
Any analysis on how Bojack interacts with the women in his life is genuinely so interesting to me. Like how his daughter in his fantasy with Charlotte looks a lot like Beatrice, proving that just maybe he wished he could’ve given her better
I typically don’t see such an objectively bad person be written to have such well written (if definitely toxic) relationships with women like this, typically it’s just seen as “also he’s bad to women” with not much welcome nuance, so seeing him have any will to be better for Hollyhock especially after Sarah Lynn was just a good direction for him
If we take the idea of him "wishing he could've given her better" and tie it into his whole "raised by TV" thing, him raising a better version of his mother in Harper goes very neatly with the "hurt adult healed by the love of a child" trope that never worked out for him when he was young. It's cool how with details like that the show gives us some pretty complex stuff to chew on but seeds it in the subtext instead of having a character just blatantly say it!
I think it's worth noting Todd is kind of a surrogate son to Bojack and we can see how he treats him because of that. Bojack still provides for him but constantly pokes at him and brings him down
yeah! butterscotch and bojack are both voiced by will arnett, and i've always thought the reason for that was bojack basically grew up to be his dad. if todd is his surrogate son, we can kind of see how he might have acted if he'd had an actual son.
I think it’s so apparent how Bojack thinks he has a lot more control than he does in reality. I know he’s literally the main character, but within the narrative it also seems like he thinks he’s the main character TO EVERYONE. Hollyhock was being kind by suggesting Beatrice move in, and Bojack jumps to the assumption that Hollyhock will be influenced negatively by Beatrice ABOUT him specifically. When that’s not the case because Hollyhock is a full real person with other thoughts and feelings, and can think critically and not blindly believe whatever she’s told. But Bojack automatically believes that Hollyhock WILL be negatively influenced, and that the only thing Beatrice and Hollyhock will talk about is HIM. He really doesn’t view either of them as real people with their own lives.
And she only started thinking badly of him cuz of how he acted towards her possible mothers, workers and his dementia riddled mother. Beatrice only said nice things about him even tho she didnt recongize him at all. So of course hollyhock wasnt going to believe how he acted was warrented esp since he seems like a shitty person to everyone. If he was nice to everyone but beatrice i can see her being on his side more but he wasnt.
@@Kris-wo4pjYeah, I think Hollyhock enough credit. She knows Bojack's a mess and hates his mom because she screwed him up. But getting drugged by Beatrice did probably leave a lot of scars
The scene where bojack turns penny down the second time can be viewed very differently. He doesn't say no to her, he doesn't say she should leave the boat he says "go to bed" and leaves the door of the ship open. You can even see how penny first thinks she has been turned down, but then looks at the door of the ship which is still open and then her expression changes. I don't think he turned her down, he basically invited her to his bed
I wonder if the whole girl dad dynamic partially explains why BoJack was so shitty to Todd
6:41 Your speculation about daughter figures is supported by Bojack having far more bonding experiences with Penny than with her brother. Additionally, Penny could pass as Bojack and Charlotte's kid in a way that Trip couldn't really.
Makes you wonder how different Bojack and Todd's relationship would’ve been if Todd was a girl..
Yay! I’m so excited for this! Thanks for covering this topic 😊
After watching: it’s better than I could’ve imagined! Thanks so much for sharing this! Love your videos 😄
PC and Beatrice - Two sides of a motherhood coin.
Both grew up in a rather dysfunctional family, with both their biggest parental figures (mom of PC and dad of Bea) doing their damnest to demean and put down their child.
Yet outcome is different.
PC wanting to be a mother, failing to become one time and time again, being a working mother with good ethics of support and kindness to others.
Bea detesting being a mother, having a child out of pure accident on her first try, despising work and not valuing hardship of others and being openly hostile, without an ounce of support.
I guess I'll be asking it for a while :D
Don’t worry- I’m on it! Just got a few videos in the queue currently- apologies!
@@PosiTVty. Oh, no need to apologize. I understand :o
There's also an interesting contrast between the two based on their respective times of their youth and their class backgrounds.
Love these parallels! I haven't thought about it before.
Yoooo i was just talking to my mom last night about her soon to be ex-husband being a girl dad but we didnt know there was a word for it and couldnt think of what to call him. Crazy i see this the next day
i also find it pretty interesting that harper takes after bojack, but penny, charlotte's _real_ daughter, takes after her mother
Oh wow! I never expected my comment to be featured in a video! Glad it inspired you! I've been really enjoying your bojack content. You've touched on some really interesting stuff that I haven't seen other people talk about.
Edit: and you expanded on so many other aspects of this subject that I never thought about too!
I LITERALLY LOVE YOUR BOJACK HORSEMAN CONTENT YOURE THE GREATEST PERSON EVER ♥♥♥
Kyle is such a nice guy i love Kyle
This was great, but disturbing in how accurate it is, and how real
Say, could you please do a video about Sarah Lyna parents ? Because no one seems to ever really talk about how terrible they were to her and keep putting all the blame on Bojack for how she turned out.
I mean Bojoack's hands aren't clean but we can't pretend he's completely to blame for Sarah Lyn since she wasn't his child.
Wait omfg. Her manager aka her bear stepdad leaked naked photos on her. Why does he have those? God he really was abusing her.
youre my favorite youtuber to go to for bojack content!! thanks for always being so entertaining and insightful
not sure why I wasn't subscribed before!!! I was sure I was lol
What about the sea horse baby he takes care of? That was when I realized he probably does want to be a father personally. And he tried his best to take care of them in the moment, but also the fact that in the end what was best for the child was to be away from him kind of says it all doesn't it.
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Love your bojack content! 🩷
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Say, could you please do a video about Sarah Lyna parents ? Because no one seems to ever really talk about how terrible they were to her and keep putting all the blame on Bojack for how she turned out.
I mean Bojoack's hands aren't clean but we can't pretend he's completely to blame for Sarah Lyn since she wasn't his child.