TikTok’s Mug Gate Situation is INSANE
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2024
- the mug gate drama on tiktok is a pure example of people taking things WAAAAAY too personally and not just stepping away from the app to breathe..
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Someone pointed out that she doesn’t make them by hand on the wheel, but rather pours it into a mold that she bought off of Etsy for a much cheaper price than what’s she selling. Yes, the hand painting and firing and glazing is a bit, but she didn’t even make the mold! And the argue that it’s a cup for people with disabilities but doesn’t make the price accessible for most disabled people feels wrong. Idk yall
God yeah. Many disabled people rely on social security money, which as someone who is on social security i can confidently say is not nearly enough to live off of. Mostt certainyl not enough to be spending that much on a cup
that is actually a really good point
Yep its too much the thing is she has a shed full of the molds but still claims they are handmade
Agreed. I felt that it was really weird to have such a high price point for something that’s meant for disabled people but it’s not really accessible 😕
her rubbing the mold with a sponge in the video as if she was smoothing out clay had me deceased 😭
Nah shes using "disability" as an excuse. Even then, a majority of disabled people cant afford that mug. Thats a specialists bill or meds.
Fr I'm on disability and the Income I get isn't even that much to buy that damn mug
The price of this cup like almost 10% of a month of disability. It’s ridiculous. It’s also like not that functional
@@baby.nay. fr! It looks so cramped and tiny to hold the sides or to slot their hand into the handles. It would trigger or make my hand pain worst. It looks like a sippy cup to me so I don’t like the added disability label to it, seems just for keywords cause I doubt that cup is functional.
those mugs are cheaper than most of her single handled mugs
It confuses me that it's for people with disabilities but it's made out of super breakable material? I don't have any disabilities but I don't buy expensive dishes or cups that break easily because I drop stuff all the time.
Idgaf if it’s handmade. $125 for a tiny mug is absolutely ridiculous.
It's like $75 usd
@@Username0467still way too much
@@anais1084$70 for a swimsuit
it’s not handmade. just hand painted
@@Eeee-xl4xb it's sort of handmade, like inhouse pottery poured into a pre bought mold and fired. As opposed to something like just painting a premade mug base.
But I totally get what you mean, like, I've seen small businesses make cheaper hand sculpted and painted one of a kind mugs before
I love Shelby's work, but that's too much. As a small artist myself, if I heard someone say they bought my work out of fear of confrontation over the price, I'd privately empathise with them and address the fact that, while some can afford the price I have to set my work at for an income, I totally get that it isn't accessible for all, and I wish that wasn't the case, and I'd offer them a refund, maybe a slight one off partial refund as like, a goodwill donation to them depending on their financial status. Even being financially restrained myself, simply because I sorely wish so many of us weren't priced out of being able to enjoy ethical art at all.
The ONLY time a mug should be that much is if it is extremely ornate with 3D details, or is an actual art piece. A basic style mug, with simple painting should be nowhere near that
Exactly. There is so many cool ceramists who charge more but it's waaaayyy more detailed
I hate that people think they're the authority when it comes to how artists price their work. I keep having to remind people that art is a luxury, not a necessity and unless you're the one creating it, you have absolutely no right to tell a person how much they should be charging. If you don't value it the same way - it's okay just to skip it, to not get it, but to put down artists, to shame them into lowering their prices when the vast majority of artists are severely undercharging is just creating a race to the bottom.
@@Nocmora soo based
@@NocmoraYeah but it’s not hand made it’s made with a mold
@@Lily_simsby that logic Damien Hirsts Flumequine isn’t art because the paper isn’t hand made either. It doesn’t matter if you don’t appreciate her design she did in fact hand paint it. There are millions of other plain factory made cups people can buy that aren’t collectible art pieces.
Instead of saying „that’s too expensive” I learned to say „it’s above my budget”. Nobody’s gonna get offended or question that, it saves me so much stress while shopping
Absolutely ❤I’ve gotten used to saying I’m on a fixed income when it’s necessary too .
Nah idc if they get offended if it's expensive for a stupid little cup you can easily buy at target for way less then I'm going to say it they need to be humbled
Right..@narutofishcake
yeah except for this case it is most definitely too expensive lol
When i found out she doesnt even sculpt the mugs she just uses molds i absolutely lost it. Im shocked anybody pays those prices. Im disabled, and i personally feel like making a pottery mug with 2 handles "for disabled people" is a cop out. If someone has problems holding onto things and gripping, buying something thats going to shatter if you drop it is not exactly the route you want to take if you want your things to last. Especially if youre on disability. I literally get the max and its not enough to live off of, much less be spending $80 USD on a ceramic mug someone painted.
It was also proven that the Strawberry collection was behind the counter that weekend, and the girl who got the mug did buy it from a brunette she didnt even talk to the owner. The owner lied. Like... a lot😂 and the owner has twice as many followers as the girl who bought the mug.
Also is just plain dangerous if you drop it and it shatters on you/spills hot liquid on you
Bruh, it just feels like she’s exploiting the ‘disabled’ label to make more money. The second I read it’s molded and not hand wheeled lmao it’s not worth more than $50 and like others said it’s dangerous for people with tremors (myself included…) to have thin ceramic mugs, everything I own is plastic or that glass like plastic (the shatterproof shit)soooo yeah, she sounds exploitative using the disabled against another influencer…
I mean she still made the mold it's still a one of a kind mold
@@Arcane_Corpse This would absolutely help some disabilities. Just because you don't think it wouldn't help you doesn't make it invalid.
@@doll12.18Typical small business tiktoker
It’s literally a selling strategy to not tell the price of the product and start bagging it up early
@@p-__ thanks for sharing
@@p-__is... Is this your marketing strategy?
proof it@@p-__
@@p-__..proof?
That's not marketing. That's sales.
My sister is profoundly physically and mentally disabled (cerebral palsy and epilepsy to name the main ones), we buy her two handed sippy cups made of plastic in bulk (which are incredibly hard to find as they don’t make them anymore). As much as I love her I would never buy her a ceramic mug, it wouldn’t last five minutes with her. I love my sister more than anything on this earth and it pisses me off when people use the ‘it’s for disabled people’ as an excuse to up their prices. Things made for disabled people shouldn’t be so goddamn expensive, it’s hard enough for them to just exist. Not to mention to price for a mug made from a mould she didn’t make.
Not everything for disabled people is for every disabled person?
@@Username0467Yes, but in this specific case the mug (supposedly) is meant for people who struggle with holding things, as in they easily DROP things, and a ceramic mug can’t *handle* being dropped at all - a really disabled-friendly mug would be made of a material that doesn’t break when it hits the floor once
It’s also like , things should only be excessively more expensive when the innovation is expensive, rare , or complicated . An extra handle is none of those things . I’m physically disabled and I can understand why certain things catering to a specific disability or very specific niche function would be more expensive… however..NOT A MF EXTRA HANDLE !!!!
They sell a few plastic cups eith two handles in bundles at walmart in canada in the baby section. Not sure if they will ship them to you but i have seen them in person there
@@kristenhlady4079 I’ll have to check it out! Thank you :)
I'm all for people getting paid their worth but very small mug with generic strawberries painted on isn’t worth $125. She should be shamed price gouging like that.
Apparently it converts to $75 USD, which is still insane, but better.
$50-75 USD is normal for handmade mugs.
@@Number1PencilFor mugs that are handmade, not using molds
@@Number1Pencil Thats the thing its not even handmade, she uses a mold then paints them. Molds that she didn't even make by the way, ones she finds on etsy.
@@Number1Pencilshe used a mould to make it, so all she really did was glaze the cup and paint the strawberries.. which imo is way too expensive
even her voice is whiny and bratty 😭😭 i dont understand why shes upset she sounds entitled, she was paid, she was respectfully had her brand private, the influencer was respectfully truthful this situation was just blown out of proportion
Fr I get her frustration but come on, it’s not like she didn’t pay for it
she was virtue signaling for clout
Ik really threw me off and left a bad taste in my mouth. I used to follow her before all this bc I liked watching her mystery mold pours bc she bulk buys molds by the hundreds for super cheap and apparently sells them for so much more ☠️
Having witnessed just how often artists running small businesses get comments like "I could do that." Or "It's too expensive." When the commenter could just walk away instead of being rude... Maybe this was the straw that broke the camels back. 🤷
Ok but the funny thing here is that Shelby uses pre-made molds to make "her own" products...😅
She gets the molds in bulk for free or clearance/ discounted. Then charges a $75 up price for what she got for less than fifth of the price. It reminds me of resin mold resellers.
@@p-__prove it
$130 is WAY too much for a mug, that mug better pour my drink for me and clean itself for that price.
nevermind that price is warranted
nevermind again that mug better do my chores
LMAO
I kept forgetting that this is AUD, not USD. In USD, it's closer to $75.
If it was a 100% hand crafted mug, $75 isn't unusual. People pay that much for nasty ass Stanley cups, and they're mass produced. But $130 USD definitely would have been too much.
“I know that times are tough” Do you?
130 is crazy 😭
@@trippingandbrowsing1269it's not tho, she uses molds she didn't buy. Also in US it'd be $110
Insane that this mug she is saying is "for disabled people" is literally too expensive for most disabled people to afford. I get that making art takes a lot of time and effort, and you can charge however much you want, but don't make up an excuse like that. She made a much bigger deal about this than she needed to, especially when literally nothing mean was said and the shop itself wasn't even named.
I also work with ceramics. While the maker is responding to the original video she is using a sponge on something. The sponge is dry, she is just doing that to make it look like she is working hard. Its pissing me of
“Prices we’re at the buttom” the mugs were literally on a shelf behind the salespeople not within reach of customers it’s plain to see on Shelby’s own post from the market showing her setup
Also the way Shelby is putting up videos now of more handmade pottery. Not just molds with HEAVILY edited comments 💀
She is using molds forever. Now she started showing handmade wheel for some reason we all know
@randomlyswatching9481 it's giving the same energy as Lauren The Mortitian going home to do funeral work
Since when is pottery from molds not handmade? It's hand-poured and hand-taken out, that should be enough. I understand that it's a lot less labour-intensive than hand throwing, but people be out here commenting as if the mugs made themselves or as if anyone could do it and that's just not the case.
the new Original girls swim suits are actually very reasonably priced. one top/bottom at aerie/victoria secret is 30-45 dollars. so a top and bottom for 70 is really reasonable, especially considering the quality and construction is probably better from a small business than Aerie
They're 45 USD ! so yeah definitely reasonable
Im glad others pointed this out but this girl keeps droning on about how 125 is worth her mugs, yet it's outrageously expensive for _disabled_ people, yk, the people who the mug is for? The hypocrisy man
Also, it feels so manipulative of her to respond via public video with a pity story about her small business, rather than reach out via EMAIL to refund the purchase. Why put this online if she is wanting a correspond via email? And especially why do that when now you are just advertising the name of your company with rediculous, disability-scamming prices when the OP didn't even mention the business' name to begin with?! Everything about this response is SO unprofessional and irritating. I wouldn't have bought from her anyway considering the outrageous prices, but this unprofessionalism and outright admittance to preying on disabled people obviously won't make me want to buy from her. What a creep.
And I thought I was splurging when I bought my filtered Brita water bottle for the gym for $20
@@p-__*reporting for spam*
Your Britta bottle isn't artwork
@@Username0467 nah but neither is the mug, the mug is moreso meant to be used rather than displayed
@Light_Dies_07 the commenter is weird, look at their other comments
@@foxxy111 i don't feel like looking what did they say 😭
Id pay $130 for orignal designs and if it can hold an actual decent cup of coffee. Its far too generic for the price tag.
130 seems more acceptable for a custom mug - like specific designs that you're paying the artist to put in and etc... but for this??? so strange
In Montana there's a shop that sells local artisan crafts. One of them is a $45 mug which has geodes on the bottom and it changes color with heat. She handmakes them herself, has her family help and look for geodes. She doesn't use a mold or anything either so I think the price is fair maybe even cheap for her labor. But the difference is that she acknowledges her craftsmanship and is realistic with the price because no one is gonna buy a $100 mug.
nil that sounds cool, drop the name of the shop lol, gotta hype up that place.
she needs to up the price if it does all that. Underpricing is a huge issue.
bro nooo, i loved watching shelby’s mold pouring videos… this is so embarrassing for her, god… why do all the comfort people i watch do shit like thisss
Sameee when I saw her in the thumbnail I was luke nooooo. I haven't seen her in awhile on my shorts I wonder if this is why
So, for any confused Americans, the price is actually closer to $75 USD.
If this had been a 100% hand crafted mug, and i mean hand molded and painted with an original design, then $75 wouldn't have been unusual. Anyone claiming it should be less than that is wildly devaluing the work it takes to make a hand-made mug.
However, she makes hers with a mold she bought off Etsy 🙃 so she should be charging significantly less. Id balk at anything over $45.
No, still way too bloody much; anything upwards of $25 for a single cup is overpriced.
Not even just that she bulk buys pallets of molds for super fuckin cheap
Idk how much less labor or money the mold really takes off. Painting can take a long while. So while I agree it would be worth less, I don't know if half the price is realistic.
@@blurponyunicorn1283 the issue with fast fashion is the unfair percentage of the money the workers get and company mades, for pieces like crosset or knitted, yeah those takes hours to be made and go for 100+ but a mug doesn't take more that 20 minutes, i don't include the resting time because croissants take 3 days of rest before they are ready but they aren't freaking expensive. I say that as someone who does pottery.
@RaspK lmao, you're vastly underestimating the work it takes, as I said. They wouldn't even break even at $25, fast fashion has rotted people's concept of worth, material cost, and living wage.
i remember walking into a gift shop on a three day feid trip i had in middle school, i saw a cute little chain necklace with a heart and went to buy it, when i did the girl behind the counter told me it was 25 dollars, 25 dollars for a little necklace that looked like it was gonna snap any moment, i felt too bad and payed for it which it came out to 30 dollars with taxes and left with it feeling embarrassed, the thing is that it wasnt even hand made or anything, it was mass produced, i saw it a few hours later at ANOTHER gift shop for the same price, when i told one of my friends she tried to convince me to go back and get a refund i refused because the store was owned by an elderly lady and the girl behind the counter was her teenage grand daughter, i still have that necklace sitting in my jewlery box. I totally get how how soph feels, 30 dollars was a shit ton to 12 year old me.
I'm on disability pay. There is NO way I even COULD buy that mug.
I understand that art is art, but... That mug is pretty basic. And she doesn't even make the mold herself!
Now sure, I make candles using premade molds (I want to make my own but haven't been able to do so yet) and my cheapest candles are 5 euros, and the most expensive ones are 15 euros. Most of my candles are 7 euros, and that is mostly to buy the wax (I use beeswax made in my country, so it's pretty expensive) and only a tiny bit actually goes to myself.
She's doing the exact opposite.
Sure, money goes to the materials, and some for her time (depending on how long each one takes her) but not over 100 bucks. ESPECIALLY when she markets them to be for disabled.
Sorry if this comment is all over the place, I'm just so dumbfounded(?) and english isn't my first language!
First we were obsessing over Stanley cups and now we're obsessing over mugs.💀
I always obsessed over mugs but I wouldn't buy a 130 dollar mug.
All Starbucks had to do was collaborate with Stanley for middle ages beige females to fight over.
Fr
Lmfao worlds gone mad✋🤣
I’ll stick with ma Disney,anime & sanrio mugs tyvm😅
Stanley cups are overrated asf
It’s a massive cup n straw
If I held it in my hand I’d look like a midget💀
I have a redbull drink cup that I’m obsessed with it’s actually the can and it’s pink lol😅 and a Louis Vuitton design cup with the playboy logo that cost quite a bit-
But like Atleast they aren’t made for giants✋💀
@@Madinaash I’m dyslexic and read your comment basically as : Stanley should have collaborated with Starbucks back in the Middle Ages 😂 probably cus I already had a running joke in my head about antiquated drinking vessels coming back into fashion. Your comment made my morning though 😂❤
I have gotten 3 hand-made, significantly bigger mugs for less than what that one mug was. theyre my favorite mugs. I am all for small buisnesses not underselling themselves, but this is overselling by a lot.
I agree as a professional ceramic pottery maker and teacher. The strawberries are design 101 😊
My question is how does mold made strawberries design be over 50 dollars. My students make those in classes.😊
@@randomlyswatching9481 yes! As someone with a lifelong art background, I can't imagine the simple berries take very long at all, especially if you do them a lot. I might actually pay a similar price for something more unique and time consuming if I really loved it, because I understand the effort and cost of materials. I'd be afraid to use it though 😅
That is utterly insane & anyone who is dissing her for talking about how expensive the mug was is literally insane. If you wanna debate whether or not she should’ve said no, that’s one thing. But, anyone who thinks that was worth even close to $100 insane!!!
Still tho, and the desings is NOT THAT MUCH@blurponyunicorn1283
yeah my gf bought some super hand made mug from someone who does this all online and i thought it was super expensive for a mug, but it was maybe half the price of this mug. and it was super hand made with lots of little details on it. This thing is just a regular mug with 2 handles.
@@Zectifinand made with a Etsy mold hundreds of other people probably have
@@ZectifinThat’s normal, a handmade cup is obviously going to cost more, also depending on how detailed it is, but so much for a generic design that the creator even used a mold to do it is insane
She’s price gouging a special needs product (dignity cup) and then using this opportunity for guilt trip marketing. Whole thing is gross.
I believe it was actually $80 in United States dollars. It was $125 in Australian dollars. Although thats still insane.
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This is an Australian creator making a video about drama between two other Australian creators about something that happened in Australia so I'm really confused about what you mean because they were obviously going to be talking about Australian dollars when they spoke about the price 💀
This is called a disability tax. Companies including small businesses charge more for disability friendly options out of synch with the cost of time or materials
This situation reminds me of those mall kiosks that give out free samples of skin care items, for example, then pressure and guilt you into buying the insanely expensive full size product when you don't even want it because that used to happen to me when I was young and too nice to say no 🤣
It disgusts me that she uses the excuse of "it's for disabled people" to charge for insane prices like that as if disabled aren't already susceptible to financially struggle...
the fact that we all knew she would talk about this
@@p-__ bots cant fart
I feel like that artisan is overly sensitive if they invented something to be upset ab in that tt. Literally that creator straight-up gushed ab the item & then just _discussed_ the price, bc when you buy something that might intrigue your fans, transparency re: the price is only professional.
The thing is that she uses a GumTree branded mold for her items and not a pottery wheel made mug and as a artist myself its not worth the money as is like buying an art piece when the artist only uses a paid base vs an artist that draw the whole thing from the sketch to the finished piece.
GumTree branded mold? GumTree is like craigslist. They don't make molds. Vintage molds from GumTree? Sure.
@jessj2530 my reasoning still stands as she is still using a pre made base instead of making them from scratch
I have to wonder how much time material a mold saves though. Idk how much it actually shaves off the price realistically.
@@Number1Pencil I can't give you an exact number because I'm no expert, but when it comes to handmade items you can assume that a good indicator of price would be how long it takes to make something, how involved the process is, and how much/what material is used. For example, I crochet and knit; a sweater that has been made by hand can take weeks, maybe even months to make. Each individual stich needs to be done by hand, the process isn't fast nor easy. Even before factoring in the cost of materials, an item like that can cost well above 100 USD at the least. Now, when you look at mass manufactured knit sweaters that have been made by machines (or the hands of severely underpaid workers), they're far cheaper, seeing a range of maybe 20-80 USD. That's because (notwithstanding underpaying workers) machines are faster and the lack of skilled technical work makes them cheaper. All this to say, pouring clay into a premade mold and painting it with some cute strawberries when it dries isn't the most hands-on, time consuming, or strenuous process that warrants such a price tag imo. I think she SHOULD be compensated for the materials she used as well as producing and hand-painting the cups by herself, but the price she's charging would be a bit outrageous even for a handspun ceramic mug (sorry for the essay, I didn't know I was this passionate about this)
@Number1Pencil you just need to pour in the mold and wait to dry a little and unmold it and it takes skill to make the same thing by scratch
Where I live $70 is fairly standard for a bikini. $125 for a CUP is outrageous. Handmade pottery cups at my local craft shows would perhaps be $45, and even that is highly expensive for a cup. I feel thats just ridiculous. If she has to charge that much to stay in business she may as well fold. I don't see how that would ever work.
her cups aren’t handmade. she buys the molds from others cheap and paints them… that’s it
If people are buying them at that price, then I'd say it's working.
why do people spend so much money on cups nowadays?? first Hydroflasks, Stanleys, now mugs????
I do understand that with most mugs being crafted from hand can be pricey, but it's always name brand things that are always over $100 :o(@@TakusenX
Collecting mugs has been a thing for decades
The mug for someone with disabilities is ceramic? I am disabled and if you have difficulty gripping things or grasping why would you get something breakable. I am not sure why it's helpful
I buy actual hand made in a wheel mugs and they usually cost £30 ish. $125 for a mug made in a mold would be too expensive for me.
I suspect that the owner and the customer are both being truthful, but genuinely interacted with a different blonde customer/different brunette shopkeeper, and are confused
😂 I like this take
To charge over $100 for a mug specifically made for disabled ppl KNOWING, they dont have a lot of options that aren't literally made for toddlers or little children (or medical grade which is pricey) is scummy idc how much time, money, or anything to charge that for ppl who already have a disadvantage who also already pay twice if not 3 times as much for items that work for them that we who are abled get to have a reasonable prices is just a scummy horrible thing to do.
“i want it to be accessible for people with disabilities” makes it $125… how is that accessible?? 😭
I think the internet has a slight case of cup addiction...
I’m trying to get off Tiktok, the trends get annoying and it’s just cringe sometimes.
I dislike yt and social media I'm trying not to be on it so much.
@@Witchyfrog2009 Fr tho
Same here. This is all just “rage bait.” People are disgusting. Even the reasoning here in this video is wack to me.
This whole debacle is like a textbook example of the Streisand effect. Mug Lady played herself! 😂
Unless she's embossing it with pure gold in some super intricate design, a mug will never be worth $125.
i love how shes mostly serious, but with this shes like "but my wallet is like wghuhgughhgghshshhshsyuhufufuh"
I’m glad that someone made art that makes them happy. However, you can make that for $25 at a Color Me Mine or Paint It!
@@p-__ well if that art makes you happy I guess..
Not everyone can paint that well though.
@@Number1Pencil not at first but a little tutorial on youtube is all you need to get started, improvement in art is about consistency; do you think da vinci woke up one day and just painted the mona lisa without any effort or prior painting experience ? no of course not, he studied for years as an apprentice under his father since he was 15...that's why i view her prices as predatory, because anyone can learn to be a good artist if they have the time to commit but most working-class people don't and she knows that, but i promise you that anyone can learn to paint little strawberries like that in at most an hour...she's not special and nor is her art; her art lacks sentiment, originality, and emotional value; she creates only for the monetary aspect of the practice, which to me ( as someone who studied art history ) is disrespectful
the maker of the cup is just looking for clout from the influencer. she didn’t even name the business???
So that cup was 81$ USD…That design with the two handles are for people with mobility issues which is somehow worse! That’s exploiting the differently abled on top of it! The fuck…
I feel like shelby is guilt tripping everyone into buying her mugs which is effed up ngl.
I dunno abt this take… according to soph she couldn’t look at the prices cuz the mug was at the back shelves (you can see on some videos shelby made abt the event). Shelby’s mugs aren’t hand made either, she just gets molds from gumtree and paints and glazes them. While the art is hand painted and somewhat unique, imo it’s not worth that price.
Also with Shelby’s response, no one would’ve known that it was about her if she didn’t make a vid herself. It also felt kind of weird that she was ‘soo excited that Soph was there to shout out the small businesses’. Can’t an influencer buy things for themselves and not post it? (She posted the haul but that’s not the same as recording during the process of buying it). Maybe it made her feel pressured into buying it? It’s also just really dumb cuz people make fun of expensive Stanley cups but baby an art influencer for feeling sad that the person who bought her mug was shocked about the price. Artists can be wrong too, we can take criticism!
I’ll go ahead and say it since they’re both afraid to: The 👏🏼 cup 👏🏼 is 👏🏼 overpriced 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼. And Shelby, please do not come with the altruist angle, “oh, this is an accessible cup”. Because that’s not a good look and it can easily go south for you. Because what I’m hearing is that you think it’s okay to charge that ridiculous amount for a cup that is designed for people who may be on a limited income to begin with and you are now adding an extra hurdle for them in a world that already excludes them just because you can. Should’ve left that part in the drafts.
I have been watching this girl's gumtree clay molds series forever, never did I expect her to be involved in drama. This shouldn't even have been drama, Shelby could've just been bummed about it in private and not said anything because maybe some people would figure out it was her business but it wouldn't have blown up.
edit: If you're making a product for disabled people you need to make it accessible for disabled people, who often have lower incomes due to being unable to work or other circumstance, to even purchase!
As a professional pottery gal. I should point out making from a mold and that work is medium at best. 81 USD is too much. 50 at best. Sorry just because it's small business we shouldn't overcharge. I don't personally. It is overpriced. No need to deny that. It takes time but it has not the Craftsmanship or finish of a 50 plus cup in this economy.
Also gumtree molds are the basest of the base. We know that as professional in that respect.
Wait is she the one who does the mystery mould series? I’ve seen those on Instagram before
@@randomlyswatching9481 yeah, you’re right. I was mostly talking about people thinking small businesses as a whole are overpriced rather than just Shelby.
It didn’t occur to me that the cup would be made from a mold too and not handmade. That makes the whole thing even worse.
Gumtree is a marketplace website, not an art brand. Gumtree doesn’t make their own products. The molds are just a bunch of second hand ones she bought from the website.
I always just go to thrift stores to buy my mugs. They always have super cute mugs and if you just wash it most of the time it's clean and now you have an adorable mug. I also go to hobby lobby and they have pretty cheap cute mugs.
Most people I know on disability are on a fixed income and can not pay 125 for a highly breakable mug. Ijs.
made with mud makes mugs like these for a more affordable price specifically to be accessible. so shout out to her!
Disability aids have safety standards, so trying to pass a ceramic mug as disability friendly is just absurd, if not outright irresponsible due to the harm it could cause if it breaks. The sincerity of catering to disabled people becomes very questionable if someone isn’t going to try and cater to the full spectrum of what a disabled person needs for a safe and functional item. If she’s using a mould like other comments imply, why not use a different material that won’t shatter? Seriously, what is the point of making items for disabled buyers that they can’t safely use?
As a disabled person, I suspect I would be appalled at a truthful answer to that question, as I already know a lot about how social media marketing for these small businesses work, selling cutesy things always has the veneer of progressivism and inclusivity used to enhance brand identity and appeal to young activists by trying to have them feel as tho buying a product from their store is a demonstratively moral act.
Additionally, disability accessible encompasses both financial accessibility and physical accessibility, you are not being accessible or “disability friendly” if you neglect one over the other as both are the greatest barriers disabled people are up against in every component of their lives.
This small business owner could’ve follow the example of every other company out there and offset production costs for disability-speciality items onto the prices of other items in order to sell it at an accessible price. Doing a “I worked reeeeally hard on it AND made it inclusive 🥺” spill was a tone deaf defence for perpetuating the financial inaccessibility of items that disabled individuals need to counterbalance their physical inability to use the same items as abled bodied individuals.
she just kept yappin 😭😭like nothing you say can justify the price
Yeah, people need to be more okay about turning down overpriced purchases..
Sure, an artist can price their items however much they want, but you shouldn't feel obligated to pay it out of pity or awkwardness.
If their work is worth that much, they'll get their profit from others that are happy to pay that much. Otherwise they'll adjust their prices and budgets as they see what people arewilling to pay.
Also, why would a tiny mug that was made from a mold be so delicate and expensive if it's for less abled customers? 😣
I watched her series where she had bought a ton of molds secondhand without knowing what they were of, and she was trying out these "mystery molds" and thought they were sorta interesting. But this, a molded mug for $130??? That's utterly ridiculous! I get that crafted stuff is expensive, and they should be! But that price is what I would have expected for something handmade from scratch, or at least if the molds used were her own design.
I think its weird that we normalized these fucking prices. 130 dollar for a cup is ridiculous 😭
so- we're just gatekeeping drinking appliances now?? *sighs*
in my opinion, the most id spend on a handmade mug THAT small it 20-30 dollars. keep in mind, in USD that strawberry mug is around 81 dollars. idk ANYONE who'd buy that expensive of a mug, whos disabled, unless theyre rich. not unless theres a reasonable discount. it jus seems so. . . capitalist ngl. it is a rly cute mug but it bugs me that apparently she uses molds to make the shapes and proceeds to make them THAT expensive.
People must be stupid enough to pay those prices otherwise she wouldn't charge that much. You can tell it's not thrown on a wheel or hand sculpted, it's too perfect. Even if the cup was made by hand it wouldn't justify costing over $100.
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I can't stop thinking about it the response was so funny
Also team soph. $125 cup is not warranted. We live in an unstable economy. Cup lady should shut up tbh
I was shocked that this drama involved Shelby when I saw another creator cover it because I have followed her for years, and while I do agree that her prices are very steep and the disability argument was weak to nonexistent, I think that she does work hard on what she does, even if her products are made from casts. she has the right to choose how much she charges just like the original girl had the right to say oh nevermind. she can't blame her anxiety in saying no on the price of the mug. HOWEVER Shelby should never have responded in the first place!
Seems like shenanigans. If the mug had an intended market, why wasn't it clearly labeled as such? I don't even know who that mug is for, the handle gaps are so tiny and that would make it hard to get a good grip. People with arthritis or motor issues often use items without handles or shatter proof materials. If the prices were there on the table you think the stall owner would share a picture of their set up. A lot of people post pictures of themselves on social media when they are at public events. It really seems like the seller is being manipulative.
I can see being upset that a famous influencer implied my stuff is too expensive, but this wasn’t the way to handle it.
Please do a video on the "mob wife aesthetic" drama, it's insane.
The video wasn't even criticism to her product at all, I can't imagine how she acts to actual criticism, she should be prepared for that as an artist. Girl took it so deep 😭
this whole thing reminds me of high school drama and gossip. i make soy wax candles for gifts and on the side not that often but i get the effort and energy that goes into hand made things. but seriously this whole thing just screams high school drama that isn’t that deep. like kim there’s people that are dying and you’re upset about someone thinking $125 is too much, it is. Australia is in a cost of living crisis we are more than justified in complaining about prices of anything. she paid for the mug she praised it and said nothing about the shop or the maker this whole situation was avoidable if both girls were just a little bit better at communication
Now listen, i would love a strawberry mug, i mean look at my username lmao, But i aint spending 125 bucks for mug 💀
It's too expensive. What's the point of making a product of it won't be affordable to many people. Running business is hard. Sometimes you have to be satisfied with a small profit. I understand wanting to get her labor appreciated but that price is too much. 😮
That would be about $70-78 in USD which is way too much especially for a regular looking mug. You could get a insulated yeti mug for around $40😐
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I watch Shelby and I really enjoy her content. But I could never afford 130 for a mug. Even if I loved it.
The fact she says it’s for disabled people but makes it absolutely impossible for people to buy unless they have a good amount of money is crazy
I dont want to watch shelby anymore now that this happened
Shelby's cups are made from molds, not hand made. It is not pottery and that is why people are so upset. There is a potter who hand makes her cups and sells them for 20$ who stitched the video to explain that she hand makes, hand paints and hand seals her mugs, she reacted to Shelby's video and said that it seemed a lot for POURED cups.
I was thinking the same think. 35 bucks for a handmade mug is a very reasonable price. Yet she’s charging thatttt much for mold….jail miss ..jail
$20 is respectable for handcrafted pottery.
@@RaspKit’s underselling themselves
As an American who has social anxiety (I love the self-checkouts), I would have asked about the price. But if I hadn't, I would have immediately said "no" once I saw the screen with the price. Knowing Americans, probably the screen would have forced a tip too. No way. In USD, that's about $81. $81 is a lot of money. Times are hard.
The girl was too nice.
The person who "created" the mug is a jerk. How dare you go and criticize that sweet girl who bought your insanely overpriced crappy mug that you didn't design except the pattern (IF she didn't find the pattern on say fabric or something). It's not even an intricate pattern.
I even balk at mug prices at Wal-Mart. I have seen a cute mug at Hobby Lobby and even with a 40% off sale, I was like, "nah."
Maybe if she made them by hand on a potter's wheel (which would take skill), fired them in her own kiln, made the glaze, did special paint with gold flecks, and did this intricate design, maybe it would be worth that much (not to me; I waste money in other areas of life instead of beverage containers). Not a mug you made from a mold and painted a cutesy design (cutesy isn't known for intricacy). Paint a replica of the Mona Lisa by hand on a mug, and we'll talk.
That’s not a disability mug. It’s a child’s cup. Her saying it’s for disability is a mocking joking.
I follow a few ceramic small businesses on insta, and the mugs they create hover around 80 USD. Their mugs however are much more ornate than what I’m seeing here 😅
Actually that matches the price of this mug, the artist is Australian so the 125-130 is in Australian dollars. 125 is about 81.50 usd
You missed the point - ornate designs. There's nothing ornate in some strawberries as a professional in this field. I promise you that's easiest@@pine8839
Yes 😊. I do professional pottery. The only thing that would justify over 50 price is ornate design. And not mold made. Sorry 😊 i promise you it doesn't take much to do some strawberries. My students do them fast. It's basic 101
@@pine8839 oh I didn’t think to do a conversion rate! Thanks for the info
@@dkstamberose np!
As an artist, I always love when artists can get paid well for their work BUT this is kinda gross charging that much for a cup that small! I know its hand painted and fired and your spending materials and using electricity and stuff BUT its a mold and you have to take that into account. As well as follower size and how many buyers you have each month or annually (artist is obviously popular on tik tok) when choosing prices. For me personally, ive always focused on putting a fair price for more one of a kind oil paintings but for all my large amounts of key chains and stickers always need to be cheap/ cheaper so its way more accessible!!!! I love making art for art and it should not have to be a luxury. though i get needing to eat and pay for housing, but this is really werid trying to turn it into a complaining video, just offer her a refund and get the cup back, plain and simple.
If it was hand sculpted, maybe the price would be worth it but I do pottery and a slip mold is so easy and quick to use... Especially if you bought it off someone else. And claiming it's supposed to be for disabled people when charging that much is insane, it doesn't even look like a full sized cup
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As a potter, she uses moulds and the glazes are very simple looking (not saying its bad or anything) however it is priced extremely high for the piece itself.. not including the materials used which we have no idea of, it just seems to me she was offended and instead of privately saying something she took to tiktok to try and make herself a victim
There are a million factors that go into this, especially staff wages. I get having a higher price, but that’s WAY out of any reasonable range. This might not be comparable, but my uncle runs a mug business where he hand makes (no molds) glazes, and fires the mugs. They are about 30$ and beautiful, I’ve had some for years and the quality is immaculate. (I’m drinking out of one right now)
To hear that these in particular are for people with disabilities, why aren’t the prices more accessible? If it is painting and all of that, streamline the process to cut prices, not as a cop out, but for ACTAUL accessibility
I have followed that ceramics woman for a while, and I think her feelings were a little hurt, so she made a response. It is very easy for memories to get changed by bias, without even knowing it, so I think that that also happened.
$125 is real close to how much you’d pay for a bougie/designer rich-person mug. I’m guessing the price is more because Shelby is an influencer, and fans wand Shelby’s hand-made mug- not just any hand-made mug.
In response to these videos, a lot of creators posted videos showing how they sell their hand-made mugs for around $50
that business owner was so manipulative ngl. even her intonation, the way she said all of that.
One thing that rubbed me the wrong way was how Shelby wrote some comments in her deleted video about how Soph is targeting and bullying her small buisness (she wrote more than that but I can't remember exactly what) when Soph barely even mentioned her. Idk but this coupled with some of her other replies just felt really manipulative on Shelbys part.
It also seems that Shelby was up that she didn’t shout out her business specifically for promotion in her video. Bc she mentioned in her video that her and the whole market was excited and hoping she was. But unless they asked her to even made a deal with her, possibly even giving her a discount then Sof has no obligation to, or incentive to. I mean if Shelby did give her a discount it would’ve fixed both of those issues. Tho as a small business and content creator she doesn’t have to appeal to influencers either
Me watching this sipping from my $5.00 room essentials target mug: "...these ppl have lose their minds.."
Just love how real DramaKween is about everything 🖤
I’m so glad I don’t see these things on my fyp 😭
I went to a con the other week and there was a mug stand, and the mugs were hand crafted and INSANELY detailed to look like 3D gardens and hobbit holes and the price was $80-100s for the most detailed mugs. I totally understood the price, like these mugs looked AMAZING and they were made on a wheel etc. The tiny mugs with barely any detail... um... I'd pay like fifteen dollars max, especially since they use a mold.