Tiger I vs IS-2: How German "Defensive Blitzkrieg" Defeated Russian Tanks At Targu Frumos?
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- Battle of Targu Frumos
During April and May of 1944, the Soviet 2nd Tank Army tried to break through the German-Romanian lines on the river Pruth in order to gain access to Central Romania with its rich oil fields.
The battle boomed at the beginning of May, when the Soviets were trying to brake through the front in the Targu-Frumos area in Romania and were confronted by the German "Grossdeutschland" Division.
Unlike so many battles in the East in 1944, the Germans were well-prepared to conduct a defense in depth at Targul Frumos and were able to coordinate the actions of dug-in defenders holding key terrain features with counterattacks by mobile forces to conduct what has since been called a "defensive Blitzkrieg."
In three days of fighting, from 2-4 May 1944, German LVII Panzer Corps,in particular of the Grossdeutschland Division and 24th Panzer Division, defeated the Soviet force and destroyed over 350 Soviet tanks.
Targul Frumos is notable for being the first clash between the famous German Tiger tank and the new Soviet Stalin heavy tank - IS2.
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I live in this area. It's important to say that the zone is a collection of hills surrounded by 2 3 km of open field and again a hill, and then another 2-3 km of open field.
Buna Sara. Yes that means it's great great tank country Constantin. I'm American I used to live over there in the Moldova area. I've been all through those small towns many times Bacau and Iasi. It's funny how they are mispronouncing everything. I'm a former tank commander as well so this kind of stuff is very interesting. That said, war is always tragic as my parents taught me from my earliest days. Ciao. Noroc
Werobo
@@TheosLogicos Could you kindly explain what exactly is "werobo" here?
@@DerDop maybe its Russian.
@@DerDop he mispronounced "Wehraboo"?
Von Manteuffel and his division had won a great defensive victory. During the first three days of battle, more than 350 Soviet tanks had been destroyed, with another 200 damaged. The GD lost a total of 10 tanks permanently destroyed. Although Soviet postwar accounts barely mention the battle, Targul Frumos was still being studied by NATO commanders well into the 1980s as a textbook example of how a combined arms defense could stop a massive Soviet attack. Perhaps the best reason for the German success was given by von Manteuffel years after the war: “In spite of the most careful preparations, the decisive factor in defense was the combat potential of the troops. It was this which allowed the defense to achieve the results it did-a huge fiasco for the Russians.”
Thanks finally some one understands!!
This is exactly why these battles were studied for decades. NATO was learning how to defeat A WAR-PACK invasion of West Germany.
Soviets did not have this amount of tanks in the area
@@user-me5oq3kl4h Cope.
@@user-me5oq3kl4h russian scam.
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Hey dope learn history
It was a misdirection, Got it.
Von Manteuffel was one of Germanys most skilled General. His Fifth Panzert Army was the only force during the Battle of The Bulge to come close their objectives, coming within Two miles of the Meuse River crossings before running out of fuel.
Kampfgruppe von Böhm!
There are many of us who grew up being saturated by repetitive, lazy, and banal narratives about WWII in Europe: the 'Blitzkrieg' in Europe; then 'the Battle of Britain', then 'Barbarossa', North Africa, Stalingrad, Kursk, D-Day, 'Battle of the Bulge', 'The Holocaust', THE END.
There were 50-55 million military casualties in WWII. Around 35 Million occurred on the 'Eastern Front'. Why is one battle more important than another?
Thank you for covering this little known battle.
These were almost exclusively all the same narratives from a Western perspective, with egregious errors and the typical 'Madman Hitler' was all to blame.
It was not the fault of many academics from Erickson, Glantz, Schirer, etc, that their studies were cherry-picked, compressed, and packaged into neat little books and documentaries with the same footage being shown, the same quotes, and the same names.
Yes, there were exceptions, but we are still left with the mass of gross errors of historiography with many naively portrayed villains in popular culture having a German accent, SS style uniforms, monocles' and so forth. How many of you have watched a documentary where the narrator talks of the invasion of Poland whilst the camera sails past a Tiger tank? Or Chuikov is replaced with Zhukov?
I am a proud Eastern Front enthusiast, a Germanophile who has studied German language, philosophy, history, Prussian history, as well as being a military modeller and avid reader since I was a teenager.
Only now are many of the popular mischaracterisations, false narratives, and lazy historiography being revised thanks mostly to a renewed interest arising from PC and console gaming, social media, and the realisation that we are losing our last living links to the Second World War.
It stands to remind us as a cautionary tale in the face of today's return to ideological extremism.
I recommend that you check out some of the WWII photos that I have collected in a short video on my channel. You, as a true connoisseur and Germanophile, should be interested.
if its bad, its Madman Hitler fault; its historee ;))
good thing they had strong leaders like Halder, for a while :D
I too have for decades been a Germanophile and scholar of history. I recall seeing a History Channel documentary on the Holocaust misusing German footage of the Nemmersdorf massacre, a very ironic blunder as the Prussian Holocaust was a very real event delegated to historical obscurity. I'd never heard of this battle, and until the internet and no longer being limited to books the same for the Battle of Bautzen and even Tali-Ihantala.
To start with the people who choose to learn about history from watching RUclips are the same people who enjoy watching wrestling on TV.
Those authors you mentioned have books that anyone can check out from a public library but most people refuse to read these days and they " cherry pick" what they want to believe and what they want to ignore
So true and my Austrian grandmother who past away 2 year ago told me as a curious youngster in the late 70ties about her personal experience of the era and why she ended up in Scandinavia. So different narrative from what a got told in school in a western socialist welfare state and NATO member.
The resiliance, training, professionalism, Superior Weappons and Outsanding Leadership, was the main reason, why, the allieds, took so long, to defeat the german army.
Outstanding performances, in overwhelming conditions.
The german army, was brilliant, in every sense. Attacking and defending. True masters.
Ps : iam not a nazi, or anything related to nazism.
Iam only "talking" abaut the military side of the confict, as an ex carrear millitary.
It's more complicated than that.
The Werhmacht had really good leadership, but his true strenght lies in their NCO and field command as they were trained to handle two level of command above them, giving resilience and capacity of initiative far beyond most armies of the time.
The weapons were good, but not outstanding, as some were ahead of their time, like the Me262, but impractical, or just unfit and uneasy to product, like the Tiger I or II, who were unfit to handle for green crew.
In the end, the werhmacht officer tended to overlook logistic problem, to see the war only at the tactical level, searching a decisive battle where there were none to have against a modern industrial country. Even one plagued with issue like the USSR.
@@alpharius4434 that resilience, aplays majoraty, not on the NCO's, but on the common Soldier. The NCO's on the top, but the tool, is always been, be, and Will be common Soldier, and his commitment to fight, and resilience to endure the most adverse situations. What happen dozens of times, especily on the eastern front.
Were small groups of Soldier, with limitied, but superior equiment and training, against All odds, They prevail, our delay the avance of the enemy, and at the same time, inflitting appalling casualities to the enemy.
@@jpmtlhead39 Then by your definition, the soviet soldiers are the best in the world, since they prevailed against the werhmacht with less training, a somewhat crude equipement and brutal officers.
In factn Guderian and many werhmacht said it themselves after the war : in a modern war, no amount of bravery and human endurance can really stand against the industrial power.
That have been showed many time in the WWII conflict : In Bagration, in Cobra Operation, in the Hürtgen Highs Battle or even in the Battle of the Bulge.
In the eastern front, the Red army had an overall superiority number of 3:1, which is quite low to really overwhelm an army in the world of automated death of Machin guns and mass bombing. (Modern military thinking say that the "good" number in an assault as 6:1 ratio in favor of the attacker, especially in urban combat.)
In History untill late, the german army is an illusion after 1943, for a unit like the Grossdeuschtland division or SS unit there is at least a dozen of infantry division or Volskgrenadiers with minimal motorisation that doesn't live more than eleven days in the front before being crushed.
The battle showed in the video is just a tiny respite, between the bloody retreat to the Dniepr and the crushing defeat of Bagration, and no amount of heroism can change that, because this is modern war, where human individual is crushed between the mass bombing and the weight of motorized tracks of tanks...
@@alpharius4434 thats my point.
How did i took so long, for the allies, win the war, since 1943 the whermacht was a shadow of themselfes, fighting in 3 fronts.
Its almost Hard to belive, What they were able to do, with so few.(man and material).
@@jpmtlhead39 Oh no, not that hard.
First, the red army, as the US army, were armies in beginning, made mostly of conscript recruits and in the case of the red armies, just badly commanded untill late 1941. The werhmacht, on the other end, was preparing itself since the thirties, and had experience from Poland, then France, and Greece and Yugoslovia, Danemark and many other short campaign.
After that,in 1942 in the eastern front, the allies had to reconquier a great strategic space not only in Europe, but also in the Pacific where the Werhmacht had just to hold the Europe.
The US army, and even the british army, had to import it's army across the atlantic ocean. Those things take times. They suceeded to cross the channel, a things the werhmacht didn't suceed to do.
Then, defensive action is easier than the attack one : Just look at the Battle of the Bulge, or the counterattack at Mortain, where the werhmacht failed even with their skills or their materials.
So no, it wasn't that surprising nr really remarkable, even if I cannot say that the Werhmacht was bad in itself.
To hold the Russians at this time of the war and with such huge differences in manpower and tanks is truly unbelievable ... :0
В любое время не удержит никто и с любыми силами
On 01.04.1944, the 2nd Soviet Tank Army had 62 tanks.
It is incredible that the Germans were able to destroy 250 of them.
@@user-zw3sb6ul4t Despite that the Soviets could replace their losses on the front in contrtast with the Germans ..
Stalin and his N.KW.D waisted more own people than Germans did
That Bolsheviks Russian bandit's don't want the World know the truth
Today Russian says the lost 60 millions people and 40 .ooo Tank's Historian believe that numbers are incorrect Nobody know exactly how many They did not register the people or the documents have been destroyed
@@user-zw3sb6ul4t what are your sources? Do you want us to believe that Red Army opened an offensive, în 1944, with some 60 tanks în a Tank Army?
The Germans were excellent on the offensive, but were true masters when on the defensive.
Yeah.. we can see with the time that they could hold with 2 massive fronts
Sill failed to contain the Soviet red plague. :))
Specially in Stalingrad.
But couldn’t afford the loses the Soviets could
@@__n_lupan__5333 never forget soviet were supported by USA during between 41-45 11.3 billion dollars in equipment/ressource were given to soviet , witch is equivalent to 180billions nowdays , never forget soviet were also on 2 fronts , the japeness were on the East side of russian , without us support many thing could have been different
I really enjoyed this video. It showed REAL COMBAT FOOTAGE and put you there during the battles. It also shared strategies that in alot of cases was the difference between losing a battle or winning it. Thank You again for the video and commentary. And thanks for not playing annoying background music. It's not needed.
The forgotten soldier by Guy Sajer. A great soldier's view of the eastern front.
I read that book so many times. Fantastic account
Is that the guy who destroy dozen of russian tanks single handedly?
I read that book back in the 80s Is it still in print?
@@KotobKotob not this one. Maybe you refer to a Sven Hassel book. Legion of the damned
@@daveanderson3805 yep, Amazon
The only reason the Soviet s won on the Eastern front was because they completely overwhelmed the Germans by sheer numbers!
The German army was a fighting machine with a fighting spirit like no other army in the World!
The weapons the Germans had outmatched just about anything the Russians had in their arsenal.
Not to take anything away from the Russian soldier as they fought bravely and had to overcome many obstacles.
Adding to that, the German logistical nightmares and distribution of forces to other theatres (North Africa, France and Low Countries, defense of Italy) made it highly challenging to face the entire force of USSR alone.
Reasons the Germans began losing to the US and British can be attributed to a couple factors: the Germans were spread thin, their best and elite losses were irreplaceable, and air support/naval support wasn't available everywhere.
They really were pros in their game.
BS. At the outset of Barbarossa, there were 4 million Germans vs 3 million Soviets, and the Germans still lost. Germans surrendered regularly, unlike the Japanese. No European army in history has ever fought as obstinately as the Japanese. Germans are way over-rated, and usually by closet nazi white supremacist types. They sucked. It's just that most of their opponents sucked even more.
@@thracian2072 - hyperbolic way to express that information.
Very well done video. This battle is a great example of Mobil defense and elastic offense as well and the benefits of allowing and encouraging officers to use their own initiative when the situation calls for it.
I think one of the biggest advantages the Germans had on the eastern front was the willingness of it's officer corps to use their initiative where as the Russian officer corps (with a few exceptions) was terrified to do the same thanks to the way Stalin punished failure.
This is also handed down to their NCO's as well with some latitude. They were expected to take over the Platoon's mission if need be.
Great feature again guys! Always fascinating to see IS2s in action against Tiger1s and 2s...It would be great if you guys could do more features on Eastern Front battles.....
The whole story is a collection of German wet dreams :D In reality, Germans were against 3 weakened rifle (infantry) divisions. No IS-2 except in German fantasies, only some Su-76 . And whole operation supposed to be great German counterattack. In reality, they managed to push these 3 divisions for 10-15 km and that was it ;) Btw, famous Grossdeutschland division was practically wiped out few months later and had to be reorganized in East Prussia.
@@aleksazunjic9672
I wonder where this battle information is coming from too. German battle reports or Josef Göbbels?
@@fazole Mostly memoires of German officers that survived the war. During the Cold War , memoires of Germans who were not explicitly for Hitler (SS or NS functionary ) were taken as gospel by the West. Soviets had their share of blame in this, because they often engaged in crude propaganda and cover up of their own blunders. In this particular case, officers of Grossdeutschland division simply portrayed their failed counter-attack as successful defense.
@@aleksazunjic9672 We all love your russian propaganda statements😂👍🏻
@@aleksazunjic9672 Lol near end of war, Russians suffer on sellow highes bloodbath, maybi its a fiction too. Simply Russians go in masses, with poor strategy. Even Putin say that the, real losses was 28 milion soviets.
Wow, Two regiments of three battalions, each of four companies of 100 men. One heavy weapons battalion per regiment. One self-propelled assault gun battalion. Plus, a combat engineer battalion and an under strength reconnaissance battalion.
In total, according to this video, the Gross Deutschland Division Order Of Battle, is as follows:
First Panzer Grenadier Regiment
I. Battalion, 400 men
II. Battalion 400 men
III. Battalion 400 men
Heavy Weapon battalion
Second Panzer Grenadier Regiment
I. Battalion 400 men
II. Battalion 400 men
III. Battalion 400 men
Heavy Weapon battalion
Panzer Regiment
I. Panzer battalion MARK IV
II. Panzer battalion MARK V
III. Panzer battalion MARK V
IV. Panzer battalion MARK VI
Armored Artillery Regiment
Amount of battalions not mentioned in the video
I. 88-FLAK Battery
II. 88-FLAK Battery
III. 88-FLAK Battery
One Self Propelled Assault Gun battalion (30-45 Stugs)
One Combat Engineers Battalion
One under strength reconnaissance battalion
Even though, we do not have the full picture of the divisional strength, it is still, a very powerful unit. Not forgetting, that most of the men were veterans, including the great general, Von Manteuffel, one of their best commanders in the field.
17550 strong which means better equipment than some lower volunteer SS Division.
Alas! Germany😟
totenkopf was there too
The numbers are wrong.
Grossdeutschland didn't have 2 batt of Panthers in that battle, its organic panther battalion was in France training and refitting and so they had the I./Pz.Rgt 26 attached to them, these guys were the ones that fought at Targul Frumos. None of the tank battalions were at full strength, they had only like 6 Tigers ready for example but the 24. panzer and the 3. SS-pz-div 'Totenkopf' plus korps asset StuG brig. 228 and 325 did provide additional armor for the battle, something that Manteuffel fails to mention.
I'm very curious to know if I./Pz.Rgt. 26 was allowed to wear the divisional cuff title, after all they were attached to the Division for very long time.
@@Kanovskiy Detailed information. Wasnt aware - thx.
I played CC too, back in the day. We need more mods about the war between Nazi Germany and the USSR.
Loving this channel and the coverage of not so well known battles. Good stuff😂👍
Glad you enjoy it!
That is an extremely powerful division, 200 + tanks, including 80 panthers and 40 tigers. 😳
And the Germans STILL LOST! Hahahahahahahahaha!
@@cletusnze4171 no they won that battle
@@killerklinge52 And LOST THE WAR, eh? Hahahahahahahahaha!
@@cletusnze4171 The spartans of 300 lost too. So? You have to be a real man to fight against several coubtrys. Something a betamale like you will never understand
@@killerklinge52 There were more like 1000 of them altogether, actually. And the Persians beat them on that occasion! That's the bottom line. The fact that the delayed the Persians a bit doesn't change the fact that they were wiped out, does it? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
My grand parents are from Cucuteni, north of Targu Frumos. I used to spend my summer break there. Found many shell casings in the dirt and many shrapnel. Once my uncle found a mortar round. 35mm. Also, on the hils you can still find craters and trench marks on the grasslands. Awesome video. Thank you
Gen. Hasso von Manteuffel Panzergrenadier Grossdeutchland div Tigers held off Stalin-2s. Tiger-1 and JS-2 are my favorite tanks of the Second World War. Always have loved the encounters between Panthers and SU-100s or the King Tigers and JSU-122s/152s.
Learn the history of the battle of two tank battalions near the Polish village of Lisuw in January 1945, this was one battalion of t-34-85 against a battalion of heavy tanks tiger and royal tiger, which were helped by 10 more panthers, hitting the rear of the Russian tank battalion... The result of the battle was unexpected, it was a complete defeat of the German heavy tank battalion..
+@@rodjarrow6575 Your telling this to someone who has studied the Eastern Front since 1974. Been a military modeler since 1973. Have dozens of books on my favorite theatre of operations. Recommend out of print book Gottamdarung- Germany,s Last Stand in The East 1945. (1997). Baltics, East Prussia, West Prussia, Pomerania, Posen, Silesia, Kurland, Latvia. Hungary-Budapest, Slovakia. That battle you describe was against 501st Panzer Abt. The one that had fought in North Africa and Italy.
@@hayabusa-iii9282 The battle of Lisuw was in January 1945. Alas, 501 was disbanded in December 1944... On 21 December (1944), the 501th Heavy Tank Battalion by the absorption of several Tiger Is from the remnants of the 509th was redesignated the 424th Heavy Tank Battalion, who took part in the tank battle of Lisuw in January 1945. On February 11, 1945, the 512th Heavy Tank Destroyer Battalion was formed from the remnants of the 424th Heavy Tank battalion... Alas, 424 lasted only one month...
@@hayabusa-iii9282 Looks like you confuse Battle of Lisuw January 1945 with Lvov-Sandomierz offensive in Poland August 1944 - read more and more
The whole story is a collection of German wet dreams :D In reality, Germans were against 3 weakened rifle (infantry) divisions. No IS-2 except in German fantasies, only some Su-76 . And whole operation supposed to be great German counterattack. In reality, they managed to push these 3 divisions for 10-15 km and that was it ;) Btw, famous Grossdeutschland division was practically wiped out few months later and had to be reorganized in East Prussia.
I think I have found my favorite youtube channel. Just subscribed.
Freiherr Hasso Eccard von Manteuffel, One of the men from the past you would love to meet.
Great commander. One of my favorites from WW2.
We desperatly need war movies about the eastern front.
TIK does a documentary about Stalingrad. And I can recommend battle for Sevastopol. The greatest war movie I have even seen.
World war two week by week. Indy neidell is the host. It's a week by week series, currently he is in 1942.
''The Cross Of Iron''(1977) and many Baltic-States-made & Finnish-made movies (''The Winter War'').
True. But not Hollywood made. It's too hard for them to display how good Germans were at fighting as We have seen too many times.. 😅
@@Charlesputnam-bn9zy.. Another great Finnish made movie is "The Unknown Soldier" 2017 version. It's available in Netflix if I remember correctly
very interesting and well done, thankyou for making it.
Awesome video!
Unreal how good the Germans were.
They Lost!
@@michellepeoplelikeyoumurde8373 That wasn't because they didn't fight well they were over all the best fighting force in ww2 however that didn't mean they won every engagement.
@@michellepeoplelikeyoumurde8373 any nation will lost fighting 3 front wars well i got bad news for you GERMANY now is the richest country in Europe LOL ww1, ww2 and the splitting of their country in cold war didnt stop them they are remarkable people
@@vantom6194 Well said !! And Churchill ... the biggest Gangster of them all had to suck up to Stalin. LOL .......
Yeah! Good at LOSING! Hahahahahahahahahaha!
"We win every time causing huge losses to the enemy! But in the end, we lose..." - This is verbiage, sir!
Indeed. But if the war would been exclusively between Germany - Ussr, the bolsheviks couldnt stand at all!
@@mikeonly8554 The war will not even begin if the opponents are exclusively Germany and the Bolsheviks! Alas, Germany does not have enough oil to start a war... Fact: Until the summer of 1944, all European industry worked for Germany during the war against the USSR! I will remind you that every second soldier was not a German in the army of Hitler's invasion of the USSR. Among the 5,200,000 Hitler's soldiers captured in the USSR, only 3,000,000 were Germans, the rest of the captured soldiers of Hitler's army were representatives of all countries of Western Europe (Except for representatives of Britain). But nevertheless, Hitler lost.
So, who gave oil to Hitler? Because the Romanian and Hungarian oil of Germany was only enough for the civil needs of Germany? So who gave oil to Hitler? Surprise: Until the summer of 1944, Germany received a monthly 100% supply of oil for Hitler's Army from the United States with Standard Oil Rockefeller oil ships (Rockefeller is the founders of the Federal Reserve and the IMF) through the seas controlled by the British Royal Navy.. During the entire war, there was not a single naval attack by the German and British fleets on American ships with oil from the Standard Oil company of the Rockefellers.
Do you understand why the American supply of oil for Hitler stopped in the summer of 1944?
Educational program about who the United States and Britain during the Second World War: pbs.twimg.com/media/DLhActbWkAAZZH1.jpg:large
@@rodjarrow6575 lol I love this so many 6000 IQ people here
So you think you are smart if you type Bible here? I wont read this ....
@@lolofblitz6468 You a mistake! There is no message for you here!
I agree with you. And finally, it's between quality and quantity.
The GD was suppose to be THE model for the rest of the German army and was usually kept to, or over, normal divisional strength and was even more favoured than most SS divisions.
Indeed and contrary to the myth, the SS weren't the most favoured. Even in Normandy, where there were five premier Waffen SS panzer divisions, the strongest division in tank numbers was the army's Panzer Lehr Division, with over 200.
GrossDeutschland was the Army's Elite MechaniEd division in the eastern theatre,and was known as a "Fire brigade" divisions,rushed from crisis to crisis, along with the Waffen SS WIKING and Totenkopf Panzer Divisions and the Luftwaffe's Herman Goering Panzer Division
@@lyndoncmp5751 JAN. 1945 1ST & 12TH SS DIVISIONS SENT TO HUNGARY TO STOP THE RUSSIANS, HITLER GAVE THEM WHAT THEY NEEDED AND HE GOT RESULTS. OPERATION SUDWIND (SOUTH WIND) IN 9 DAYS OF CONTINUOUS COMBAT, THEY WIPED OUT 7 SOVIET RIFLE DIVISIONS AND 1 MOTORIZED BRIGADE.
Brave Soldiers on both sides ,may they rest in peace. 🙏
I hope the russian soldiers will rest in hell. Too many "soldiers" from the russian/soviet army were vandals committing atrocities that most people can't even imagine.
I remember Guy Sajer author of 'The Forgotten Soldier' and a member of the GD Div commenting on this battle and how impressive the Tigers were tho some consider him as controversial...
Very inteteresting
Controversial? How about fictionalized. That's a better word.
Haha nothing controversial just totally made up. A historical fiction if you will. Saying that, I think it’s a good book and thoroughly enjoyed it. Just know it’s a fictional account.
is not controversial, is more his recollection of his time serving in the GrossDIv , is not a historical reference and definitely 1000% not accurate. Is his memoir, not history.
@@roroliaoliao a memoir is a primary source for historians. Should be used with caution and if possible contrasted with other sources, but also cannot be discarded without evidence just because some people disliked the testimony
Leaving the battlefield to the Germans!
To all german soldiers of WW1+2: Respect and thank you for your service. RIP.
Thanks for what? Killing millions including each other for what? A march across Europe and Asia and back? Should have stayed at home; or at least not invaded Poland which dragged the west in. Should have gone round man…
HH
Sir,
I am very impressed with the way you present the facts,
which show's that, unlike others, you actually research, know what your talking about before putting "pen to paper" so to say.
Dam well done and credit to you..
Thank you and a job very well done indeed.
Even as the war worsened for the Axis, tactical victories as shown in the above video were still very common till the end of the war. As I have already stated Stalin and even Marshall Zhukov both said without US lend lease aid the USSR would have lost the war. Most likely Stalin would have arranged a peace deal, rather then lose outright. The what ifs of history.
Germany lost the war at the gate of Moscow in December of 1941 , before the US supplied or enter the war .
@@stironeceno LOL, just soviet propaganda. Over 25% of the tanks used by the red army at Moscow 1941 were lend lease tanks. The US was supplying Britain already via lend lease, so they could supply the soviets. Finally, both Stalin and Marshall Zhukov said without Lend lease aid the USSR would have lost the war.
@@walterschumann2476 , Quoting Field Marshal Keitel comm.of the German army , during the Nuremberg trials he was ask when he knew the war in the east was lost , he reply with one word : Moscow " .Get a clue
@@stironeceno The clue is " during the Nuremberg Trial ". Did you forget there were soviet judges at Nuremberg. He was obviously playing to them.
GERMANY;THE SIZE OF MONTANA, TOOK ON THE WORLD. (26 NATIONS). THINK OF THAT
I like this channel. Subscribed. İt is like reading a germans soldier s war memories. Thanks a lot for your effort.
Thanks for the insightful analysis of this engagement.
Highly informative! Well done! Thanks!
But the story doesn't end here of course. This all led to the Second Jassy-Kishinev offensive by the Red Army. This Soviet offensive resulted in the encirclement and destruction of the German forces, allowing the Soviet Army to resume its strategic advance further into Eastern Europe. It also pressured Romania to switch allegiance from the Axis powers to the Allies. For the Germans, this was a massive defeat, which can be compared to the defeat at Stalingrad.
Mruuuczek,
You can still lose major battles and still win overall. The British at Isandlwana in the 1879 Anglo Zulu War. Big defeat, yet the British still won that war.
At first you are right. But i think thats a different story. This 10min video should tell us only about a part and i think its worth to study. This tells how good this german division was. Your Story tells me that not always the better trained army wins. In the overall end the only one thing relly matters was masses of manpower and tanks..... as good as they surely were - at least they drunk in the floods of russian man and industrial power
@@TheAvalon81 the greater lesson is simple: the best-trained armies in the world can never win a war if they lack the manpower and production capabilities to keep their troops supplied. End of story.
Hitler never should have started a two-front war in the first place. And defeating a country the size of Russia was a delusion. And once the United States entered the war with its unparalleled resources and manpower -it was definitely game over.
As Stalin said "Quantity has a quality all its own"
It owe to operation bagration that diverted panzer divisions equiped with tigers and panthers shifted to other front. The GD were diverted to Baltics for operation dopplekofp. There are still other panzer divisions in Romania in the sectors but were just equiped with pz4 and stugs.. Tbf the Soviet focus the attack on Romania held sectors and avoid the Germans that caused collapse in the axis line. Plus the refusal of german commanders to heed Romania advice of retreat to shorter more favorable defense line further south.
@@lazarusgethsemane8558 Correct. We'll said.
The red army fan boys are not going to enjoy this video.
Actually, it made me giggle. So, let me get this straight: The Red Army lost EVERY BATTLE and WON THE WAR, eh? How did that happpen then? Hahahahahahahaha!
@@cletusnze4171 Absolutely overwhelming numbers that's all .
@@cletusnze4171 As Stalin said, without US lend lease aid the USSR would have lost the war. So, the red army losing 14 million KIA and 3 million MIA meant nothing without US aid.
The wehraboos are not going to enjoy Stalingrad, Kursk and Operation Bagration at all then
@@th3kgbdog385 wehraboo? I looked it up " A history or alternate history fan who is firmly entrenched in the belief that Nazi Germany's Wehrmacht was the best military in history, without a single flaw. ". Really, who could believe that, they lost the war! Just because they fought the entire world alone and nearly won. Clearly the Wehrmacht had their flaws.
Blitzkrieg is what the British termed the German tactics, the Germans however termed it schwerpunkt (hammer point).
“The Panzer Baron”, man that is such an awesome title.
Yeah, they invaded sovereign foreign countries and killed innocent people. How, "awesome".
@@HiTechOilCo said the name is awesome…not their actions
Great video.Thanks!
Important is to say that this tactical victory confirmed Germans that the next Soviet big offensive is going to be in Ukraine. Soviet attached in Belorussia and annihilated army group Center. Great tactical victory led to a strategická defeat.
Still having a hard time admitting the truth huh? 😂😂
Get over it , the Germans kicked your ass anytime they had anything close to the same numbers.
@@guaporeturns9472 Or anytime they're weren't hindered by Hitler's orders. If they never attacked at Kursk, they could have held out forever.
Before the offensive, the commander of Army Group Center pleaded to fall back a mere thirteen miles and use a river as the main defensive feature. Of course his request was refused.
@@davidtorre7370 Yep , one of the big blunders at Kursk ( of course the entire offensive being the biggest)
@@davidtorre7370 A totalitarian personality as Hitler was, cannot admit defeat. Thus, no retreat, stand ground and die.
@@guaporeturns9472 Thats a myth. Soviets were outnumbered by Stalingrad and they defeated Germans. TIK does a great series about that. And during Bagration Germans were outsmarted and outplayed by Soviet maskirovka.
It is incredible how much was achieved with so few resources. Diplomacy ultimately doomed them as they were fighting on too many fronts
😆 🤣 😂, another dope living in a dream world.
Yes, the majority of German fighter planes and all of the Kriegsmarine were lost in the west.
@@lyndoncmp5751
Lol, hey dreamer - learn history.
@@vadimshulman1199 I think you need to broaden your knowledge. Read some more and respect everyone. The fact that we are watching this video together means that we all care about history. It doesn't matter who fought on which side 80 years ago :)
@@mihaelkyoleyan1543
I am more than happy to have a discussion with knowledgeable people but not with a dilettante making idiotic statements.
This footage is amazing! Surprised how long everything took to happen.
Combat filming has really changed. Now we have UHD GoPro cameras mounted right to the soldier's helmets. This allows us to see in high definition the rocks of the wall that the soldiers are crouching behind.
Hahaaahahahaaaa so true
No one feels the battlefield except those who are on it
Outstanding-Thank you for posting!
The 8 dislikes must have been Russians ... a seasoned intelligent experienced fighting force can do so much. If it wasn't so deadly it could be considered poetry. Imagine if Hitler allowed the army time to set up and conduct this defense blitzkrieg since winter '41 they would have grind down the Red Army no matter what the Russian production schedule was like, just my opinion. Thanks for the video, great reference.
A naive Chukchi young man
@@user-ol2dv2ou4b Most people seem to amplify their cultural bias ....
@@clausbohm9807 And Hitler conducted a mobile and nodal defense in the winter of 41, when the Wehrmacht ran from Moscow. Offensive is the key to victory. If the Wehrmacht had been on the defensive, the Red Army would have accumulated more resources in the conditions of a static front, the industry of the South of Russia would not have been evacuated and stopped working, there would have been more time for training personnel. Yes, there would have been offensive operations, but they might not have brought the expected result and the winter of 1942-1943 would have started from more favorable positions than in reality. And there was no destruction of the Red Army.
@@user-ol2dv2ou4b It can be argued that Heinz Guderian (Panzer Leader) gave the best answer ... no major offense on the Russian Front in 1942. Even in 1944 Germany had an effective fighting force (Training is everything .. almost) against the Russians so they could have rebuilt their forces for one year with the new upgraded equipment.
Imagine if Stalin had not killed so many of his commanders before Babarossa. In that case, if Hitler had started the war the Soviets would have barbecued the Wehrmacht. We can all let our imaginations run riot. But, as adults, shouldn't we stick to the actual FACTS? Hahahahahahaha!
Russian Quote: “ Quantity has its own quality”
its “Quantity has a quality all its own"
Wasn't said by a foot soldier though,
it was said by a mass-murderer that was content to throw away OTHER peoples lives to buy his own legacy
Cheap but so strong and effective
So does that phrase "Cannon fodder" , and I think it is awful to senselessly kill your men. Have a great evening and weekend!
@@farmerned6 Fist, it isn't real quote. "Quantity turns into quality" more like. And as a Russian, I can say that this is not a "Russian quote", but "dialectical quote".
Secondly, it's very funny to read about the "mass-murderer" after reading the memoirs of American war grunts, like Belton Youngblood Cooper: what he writes in his book, as a lieutenant in the field collecting information about the losses of his armored division, 3rd Armored Division -- the Spearhead, that in less than a year of fighting, their division completely renewed it's tank fleet 6 times. It means destruction, to an irreparable condition or decommissioning. And almost every damage to the tank, on average, killed or injured one crew member as a minimum. Which logically leads to the fact that the "destruction of the tank" led either to the complete death of the crew, or more of it's part.
Not to mention the fact that the Anglo-American allies had their own "quantity turns into quality" on the Western Front.
The same can be said by the US .about the Sherman tanks .
Thanks. Unique story. Learned something new.
Glad you enjoyed it!👍
Just one among dozens of other ocasions,where the " Over engineered" german armour showed how good they actualy were.
During the last 2 years of the war more german Panzers were destroyed by their own crews that by allied Weapons,including tanks and other armour.
It doesn't help if for every destroyed German tank there are an average of 10 shot down Russian tanks, if the Russian can build 11 tanks for it.
Until this isn’t true once the IS-2 comes along, which in all frontal engagements the IS-2 came out victorious due to the sheer kinetic energy of a 122mm shell
Black Death,
If it managed a hit. None of the Tigers in this battle were even hit. The IS-2 did not have a highly accurate pinpoint precision anti tank gun. It was better as a barrage weapon.
@@lyndoncmp5751 not in this battle, but a company of IS-2s steamrolled tiger IIs at the battle of ogledow. Yes it wasn’t an anti tank gun but it was found to be quite accurate and performed well if it found itself running into German tanks.
Wow what an amazing piece of history
The Soviet won WW2 in 1945 but the Russian have only 1xx million people in 2021. The U.S. have more than 300 million now. This is the result from bloody thrust of the red army in WW2, unnecessary loss of many Rusian men under the brutal generals and Stalin.
I think it has more to do with all the Russian satellite states breaking away from Russia
@@shanevanorder2644 Don't tell him, he will "twitter argumental comment" us
German army in WW2: the better army ever. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
The Is-2 was certainly a powerful Soviet tank and definitely made it easier to battle German Tigers. But the IS-2 had the usual Russian design compromises to make it simpler and some of them were bound to prove occasionaly fatal for their crews. The only way you could reload the main gun in the IS-2 was to depress the barrel all the way down! Needless to say, this gave a German cat time to return fire, as the Russian crew frantically tried to reload and re-aim (as the aim of the gun and sight picture was completely lost in between shots). So if the Stalin missed its first shot, as they usually did (German tankers famously said "Don't worry about the Russians, they always miss the first shot") that could mean curtains for the IS-2.
German tankers famously said "Don't worry about the Russians, they always miss the first shot" ....Nevertheless, it was the Russian Is-2 and T-34-85 that commanded: curtain!" for the All German tank industry in during War II. This is a fact of the history of the War II in contrast to the facts of modern propaganda about the War II.... So, learn the history of the tank battle near the Polish town of Lisow in January 1945, where a heavy tank battalion of Tigers 1, Tigers 2 reinforced by 10 Panther tanks was destroyed...Unpleasant facts of the history of the 501st (424th) heavy tank battalion.: In the battle of Lisow there were 44 soviet tanks T-34-85 of the 61st Guards Tank battalion of the Red Army against german heavy tank battalion. However, Wikipedia who based on "German memoirs propaganda" says that up to 60 Soviet Is-2 tanks were destroyed in the battle of Lisоw, ( which were not at all in this battle..! ha! ha! ha! because were 44 soviet tanks T-34-85 only!) At the same time, the defeat in this battle was not for the soviets, about which the German tankers famously said "Don't worry about the Russians, they always miss the first shot"! So, according to the report of the 61st Guards Tank battalion of the Red Army, 23 Red Army tanks were shot down in the battle of Lisow on January 13 (1945), of which 4 tanks were burned (completely destroyed), but 19 tanks were restored by repair crews by the morning of January 14, that is, in general, in the battle of Lisow, the Battalion of Russian T-34-85 lost irretrievably 4 tanks! Unlike Wikipedia, which is based on German memoirs propaganda...
@@rodjarrow6575 We all love russian propaganda 😂👍🏻
@@dieterrahm4044
No, we don't XDD
@@j.heberhernandez3037 Sarkasmus ist eine Hure.😉👍🏻Warum starben mehr Russen als Deutsche?? Weil sie besser kämpften.😂😂
@@dieterrahm4044 Genau. Und wenn man weiß, dass der quantitativ schwer überlegene Feind auch noch deutsche Militärpläne und Waffentechnik von deutschen Verrätern erhielt, und exzessive Sabotage in den deutschen Reihen sowie angloamerikanische Waffenhilfe dem Gegner derartig viele Vorteile zuspielten, dann weiß man auch, wie überlegen die Deutschen erst recht gewesen wären, wenn Verrat (vor allem der Sowjetagent und 2. Mann im Reich, Bormann, verriet Stalin alles!) und Sabotage aus den eigenen Reihen nicht unnötig zur Niederlage beigetragen hätten. Durch die durch Betrug (Wilson) und Verrat verlorenen Kriege sitzen übrigens all unsere Feinde mit uns gemeinsam in einem Boot, ohne es zu wissen. Wir sind alle keine Staaten mehr, wurden durch Schuldenwirtschaft in Korporationen und die Menschen in rechtlose Personen umgewandelt. Dadurch sind unsere Ländereien und die Einwohner ehemaliger Staaten viel leichter zu enteignen und zu versklaven. Den 2. Weltkrieg zwang man uns auf, weil Adolf aus der Schuldenwirtschaft austrat und uns in die Souveränität zurückholen wollte.
Unsere Gegner haben bis heute nicht gemerkt, dass sie mit der dümmlichen Bekämpfung der Deutschen am eigenen Ast sägen, auf dem sie sitzen. Sie begreifen nicht, dass wir bis heute alle von ein und derselben Macht gegeneinander ausgespielt werden.
Vergessen darf man auch nicht, wieviele Russen die Sowjets/Kommunisten, die ja im Grunde unser gemeinsamer Feind waren, umgebracht haben. Und dass der Kommunismus aus den USA nach Russland exportiert wurde. So wie die Nazis durch die Amis an die Macht gebracht und dann bekämpft wurden (und nach dem Krieg ins System übernommen wurden, lol, siehe auch Gestapo-Müller in den Diensten der CIA), und nach 1945 wurde der brutale Kommunismus (Made in USA), den zuvor die Deutschen alleine auf weiter Flur bekämpften, als neuer Feind auserkoren, weil die Überschuldung schon wieder eine amerikanische Staatspleite erzeugte, die nun einen Kalten Krieg benötigte, obwohl US und SU niemals Feinde waren. Alles nur Schauspiel gegen Europa. Hätte man die Deutschen unterstützt, wären Russland, Nordkorea und China weder kommunistisch, noch würden sie eine Bedrohung für die Wirtschaft darstellen. Adolf hatte in jedem Punkt recht! Aber die das Geld und die Medien kontrollieren, die schreiben auch die total verlogene Siegergeschichte.
This shows the german engineriing is the best,even the old tiger 1 can penetrate JS 2 soviet tank.the old 88mm gun is still a beast for the soviet tank
Under certain conditions, even the M-42 destroyed the Tiger. If you put one tank against another as a duel, then the IZ-2 destroyed the T-6 from 2000m, and the T-6 destroyed the IS-2 from 500m, the Royal Tiger destroyed the IS-2 from 600-700m
@@user-ol2dv2ou4b Tigers where able to destroy IS tanks on a longer distance already, not to mention the ammo type and how the targeted tank is standing. Btw the tungsten crisis is a total BS when looking at the precis numbers given by the logistical situation between 43 up to the end of 45. You can check them out for yourself, Waffen und Geheimwaffen des deutsche heeres 1939 -45 by Friedrich Georg
@@user-ol2dv2ou4b the IS2's gun could destroy a tiger at 2000m, hitting it was impossible. The german guns werent superb compared to the russian 85, 57 or 122mm but german optics were superb. Allowing a well trained gunner to hit a russian tank at 2000m.
@@marcelkroeze7580 Soviet sights were good enough to hit it from a farther range than the tiger I can penetrate
@@karstenseterbakken3617 nope. The 88mms on both the tiger I and Tiger II had significant trouble penetrating the armor on the IS-2 mod 1944. The IS-2 didn’t even need to penetrate either tank. The sheer kinetic energy is enough to cause the plate to collapse in and spall, and if the tiger was very lucky, the blocked hit from a 122mm would be so disorienting that the crew can’t do anything for a while due to the massive shock it would send through the tank.
I read somewhere: a guy is interviewing a German veteran, and this veteran is saying: we were attacking a village such and such, and then we needed to attack some hill. And the interviewer asks: and what about the village? - what about the village? - did you take it? - Yes. - and what about the hill? - what about the hill? - did you take it? - yes. So somehow Germans won every single encounter with the soviets, but somehow they’ve lost the war. They could not get how it happened. Lost at strategy.
The IS-2 was so intimidating that Goebbels actually publicized it as such, hoping to energize the Volksturm to action. Both of those tanks had turret traverse problems. The IS-2's had some subtle weaknesses that the Germans discovered and exploited and quite a few were left on the road to the Reichstag...The comparison is a little unfair: the Tiger was 3 years ahead of the IS-2 in combat experience and as such was the best tank in the war, with only mobility (and cost) issues...
This is so wrong lol. The IS-2 was better than the tiger II in every way. The IS-2’s 122mm shell had WAY more kinetic energy than a 88mm on a tiger, in firing tests on captured tigers, it ripped off the glacis plate. The IS-2 was also more maneuverable and agile due to the engine not being overstressed like in the tiger, or overheated (which the tiger II caught fire because of the overheating problem). The IS-2’s HE shell was much better too, which was the nightmare of German infantry and was also known to cause heavy spalling on German tanks that turned the crew into jelly. Lastly, it’s terrain resistance, ease of production, and overall reliability was much better. The best tanks the Germans ever made were the Pz. 3, which brought Germany to fame and success during the early years of the war
The cheaper a product is, the less reliable is in stressful situations- and the was a one!
@@maximusafexpertus4634
Nope. The worse a design is, the less reliable it is in stressful situations.
@black death, wrong mate. More Is2 fell compared to Tigers. Tiger was a better tank and the German 88 is considered one of the best AT guns of the war. Actually it was the Panthers high velocity 75mm which was considered the best AT gun of the war.
@@250ignacio “more IS-2 fell than tiger II” Number of tigers: 800
Number of IS2s: several thousand
Tigers: defending (ability to camouflage, conceal, ambush, etc)
IS-2s: offensive (unlikely to shoot first, in enemy territory, and heavy tanks in general ill suited for urban combat)
PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF MY SANITY USE A LITTLE LOGIC
Excellent production. You make the dry map of the battle come alive. The pronunciation of the German names, however, leaves something to be desired.
Many RUclips Creators do not speak English, or not very well, so they use computerized voices that many times don't pronounce words correctly. It's that or no video.
If you think the German pronounciation is bad, you should see our ears bleed, as native Romanian speakers...
As a German commander once remarked “we didn’t lose we just ran out of shells”
My grandfather was a tank crew durnning this battle, german one. He was in battle vs is2. One of this IS2 showing in that movie was his prey...
So would you even know that?
@@HiTechOilCo i have orginal picture taken after battle, my grandfather was credited destroing that tank by his commander
@@nasmi1409 do you have other pictures?
@@user-me5oq3kl4h 3 of them, all taken after the same battle
Amazing tank battle indeed👍 👍 👍!!!
Didn’t see or hear anything about how the Tiger 1s did against the IS 2s like your title says.
350 Russian tanks destroyed and many of those deployed were IS 2. What more you need, the unreal things like "fury" movie?!!
Even the Pz 4/long 75mm, the most common German tank proved lethal against the JS1/2.
@@geldoncupi1 The figure stated on the video is questionable! Learn the history of the battle of two tank battalions near the Polish village of Lisuw in January 1945, this was one battalion of t-34-85 against a battalion of heavy tanks tiger and royal tiger, which were helped by 10 more panthers, hitting the rear of the Russian tank battalion... The result of the battle was unexpected, it was a complete defeat of the German heavy tank battalion..
@@geldoncupi1 Over 9 of 10 tanks lost were due to anti-tank guns, mines and airplanes! And that ratio holds true for almost all fronts and most of the battles.
This example does'nt answer your question which one is better, or who wins whom! It was battle with all sorts of situations and ranks involved. I'd say preety bad example.
There are skirmishes that are better example of tank versus tank performance. But even than, one side almost always have some sort of advantage, which is fine and real. War is a dirty buisiness and there are no such things as fair fight.
@@rodjarrow6575 Lol, if you listened to the video you'd understand this crushing defeat for soviets was due to effective tactics. Lisuw was a different battle with different circumstances.
Very interesting! - Subscribed.
After seeing such videos one wonders as to how the red army finally defeated a formidable force like Wehrmacht in WW2.
Numbers game, and the Germans fought a two front war.
They were defeated by the numbers, a huge amount of. If you look at the size of Germany compared to the rest of the world, you can see how they had to have the best gear, weapons tactics and soldiers, to be able to keep up with the war for so long,. It's either that or the Allies were a bunch of fat fucks, with their thumbs stuck up their own asses
I don't like the soviets, but you are very wrong to say that the nazis lost to numbers. That is average historian nonesense or even mith. The thing with 2 fronts is accurate indeed due to logistics. Just becuase the nazis were prepaired at Târgu Frumos that doesn't mean the whole Wehrmacht was a formidable force.
@@AlexTM44 best gear ?? You mean malfunctioning MP40's, unreliable G43's( one of the worst semiautomatic rifle of the war along the soviet SVT-40) and 19'th century Kar98K, later being the bulk of their armory. And I am sorry to tell you that STG-44 could not save the war. And don't make me start about the tanks.
I think that the US is close to having the best gear for their troops, but close does not mean perfect.
PS: I am sorry if I sound offesnive, I don't mean that. :))
If you defeated the "Russian tanks" why did you lost the war?
Outnumbered outgunned disorganized
US won the war, just like in WWI…without the US Europe would be speaking German
It like there are fighting one country or something...
Did you even watch the video autist ? Did you win a crackpipe and an abortion allied sodomite ?
I think one of the "best" comments ever ..... you get the golden ice cube 🤣
😁"Many thanks for watching 😁😁TANKS 😁😁😁" you should said that 😁. But hey you make good videos and i believe they're not easy to make because it must be an h..l of a job and digging for information. Am a norwegian x-military, NATO veteran but also fought with russian soldiers as kontraktnik for Russia 1994-1995 in a Stalingrad'ish similar place name Grozny and so. And yes it was a hell on earth. Retired now so keep up with your good videos, love em 👍👍👍
Thank you :)
Good video thanks for info
My grandfather died around this time when troops were evacuating Berlin. His last name was Heide.
The G.D was a superb division of the Heer. The Germans were truly magnificent soldier's.
For invading sovereign foreign countries and killing innocent people? That's, "magnificent"?
The Prut River was forced on March 28, 1944 near the city of Balti. The Wehrmacht counterattack in the Targu-Frumos area was the final of the Uman-Botoshan operation on March 5, 1944. The Red Army passed 430 km with battles and having lost its penetrating power, having stretched the logistics line, it stopped. 350 Soviet tanks could not be destroyed, since the 2nd Tank Army on May 1, 1944 had 133 tanks and self-propelled guns in its composition. 82 pieces of T-34, 19 pieces of IS-2, 5 pieces of IZ-1, 3 pieces of Valentine, 19 pieces of SU-152 and 5 pieces of SU-85. 51 tanks and assault guns were destroyed. IS-2 lost 5 units, 3 of which were captured by the Germans. The battle near Targu-Frumos is only a tactical success of the Germans.. After 3.5 months, the Iasi-Kishinev operation began and the occupation of Targu-Frumos would allow it to begin in more favorable conditions.
Have you heard about Scobâlțeni (near Iași) tank battle? Do you know or the soviet history recorded the casualties in tanks and war materials?
@@petrisormugurelhogea7927 Give a more accurate reference by time and place. After all, the names of localities can either differ, or be submitted in different historiography under different names
@@user-ol2dv2ou4b 20-22 August 1944
@@petrisormugurelhogea7927 If you are asking about the battle near Skobyltseni, then it happened at midnight from August 20 to August 21, 1944 from 20.00 to 24.00. The vanguard of the right column of the 5th Guards Tank Corps joined the battle with the forces of 2 tank companies, the 1st SU-85 battery and about a company of submachine gunners with 20 Panther tanks with the support of infantry. In addition, 3 SU-85 batteries, 1 tank company with a tank landing came later.Losses - Soviet troops 8 T-34-76, 1 SU-85. The Germans - 12-17 tanks. Most likely 17 Panther tanks. The discrepancy in the number of destroyed tanks is first a record of the destruction of 12 tanks, the next day 17 tanks. This is explained by the night battle, the next day the Soviet troops could more accurately calculate the losses of the Germans, since the battlefield remained with the Red Army. The battles during August 21 and 22 continued at 30-35 km in depth and it is not correct to consider them a battle near Skobyltseni. During 3 days of fighting on August 20-22, the 5th gv tc lost 16 T-34 tanks and 1 SU-85. including losses near Skobyltseni. Losses were inflicted on the enemy - 44 tanks were destroyed and shot down. Further advance of 5 gv tk-for the night from August 22 to 23-40 km, on August 23-60 km. And by 14.00 they reached the outskirts of the city of Byrlad, where they entered into a fierce battle to capture the city. On August 23, the city was taken.
Keep cry.
This is an outstandingly-written narration. Impeccable video content !! Soo good. Only thing I’d recommend to boost credibility would be to cite sources wherever possible, albeit as you go or all at the end.
First RUclipsr to ever talk about a battle where the germans were the winners
Keep up the hard work 👍💪😎
Great video thank you
Germany still won and won until it lost completely.
Right. And WHY WAS THAT? Hahahahahahahahaha!
@@cletusnze4171 easy, the germans went too far and made too many enemies (basically the entire world) which outnumber the germans basically in everything.
Like Rambo.
@@vampi-chan3793 Who declared war on whom?! USA and GB forced many states to declare war on us, without having problems with us!
Due to high treason and excessive sabotage from within the own ranks!
Una gran historia que nos demuestra cómo esta táctica si está bien llevada a cabo es poderosísima
Congrats
"We win every time causing huge losses to the enemy! But in the end, we lose..." - This is verbiage, sir! Esto no es una táctica!
The Germans fought with better equipment and brains while the Russians had millions of disposable men.Also Germany was fighting on four fronts.
One of the most Elite German Divisions of the War. It was superbly commanded and fielded.
It's always fascinating to watch those T 34s manouvering in Alexander platz and under den Linden avenue...
so where was the part tigers vs js-2?
The germans defeated the russians at Targu Frumos mainly because there were many experienced romanian infantry soldiers who fought in that battle and used foxholes to kill the enemy infantry and to destroy the russian placing mines under their belly. The romanian exceeded actually the number of german soldiers at Targu Frumos and without them, the red army would have pushed through.
The moment you realize that the narrator is actually a robot voice 🤖 - after having obliviously watched the entire video unaware… 🤯
The US Army could never replicate what the Wehrmacht accomplished.
The United States and the allied forces kicked the piss out of the Wermacht in the west begging with D day. Now imagine if you will that the United States hadn't gone to war with Japan and could have directed it's full military might to assist it's European allies. Germany wouldn't have lasted one year. Deal with it.
@@classicgalactica5879 by the time the US, Britain and Canada invaded western europe in june of 1944 the german military had been eviscerated by the Red Army that was already midway into Poland. They fought a nation that was dead on its feet from what the Soviets had done to it. The US military was a bunch of rubes compared to the Germans and never could have done to them what the Soviets did because of the necessary cost in Soviet lives.
@Rife Kimler - You're correct, the U.S. Army would never exterminate millions of people in death camps, or invade sovereign foreign countries killing millions of innocent people. No, that was the, "accomplishment", of the German army. The U.S. Army did totally defeat the German army, pushing them back from the beaches of Normandy all the way to Berlin in less than a year!
@@rifekimler3309 - That is false. The communist Soviet soldiers fought because they had to or be shot by their own communist government. Nazi Germany almost defeated the Soviet Union anyway, even with the hundreds of millions of tons in tanks, jeeps, trucks, planes, boots, food, etc., that was provided to the Soviet Union by the United States of America and England. If not for the U.S.A. in W.W.II, Nazi Germany would have stood a much better chance of winning.
You are a moron.
Learn history not propaganda
You know what is funny? Battle of Targu Frumos was only a part of Uman-Botoshan operation.
And the total for tanks participated in that operation (not just near Targu frumos but in general area)....was 680 vehicles.
So near this small village, if we are to believe German high command, they destroyed more than half of soviet armor forces for the entire operation)))
Even more, considering German tactical success of securing the battlefield, one could be suprised that no photos of 350 smouldering wrecks were made
Just like the Russians with their 70 Tigers lost at Prokhorovka nonsense. Only 1 Tiger was a total loss there.
The Germans clearly exaggerated. However some IS-2s were indeed engaged and knocked out. There are pictures of them.
@@lyndoncmp5751 5 of them were, yes, out of total of 50 vehicles damaged (possible repair) and destroyed (beyond repair), not 350.
About Prohorovka there was also an identification problem, later models of Pz4 were mistakenly taken as Tigers.
Same with Elephants, various models of German Spgs were taken as that type of vehicle
That doesn't explain the Soviet exaggeration of German losses at Prokhorovka though. The Soviets claimed over 300 German tanks were destroyed there, including 70 Tigers. In fact the Germans barely had 300 tanks at Prokhorovka in total and less than 50 were knocked out or disabled. Most of those were recovered and repaired. Prokhorovka was not as large as the Soviets claimed. Even western books repeated the Soviet figures into the 1990s. Authors like John Erickson, Richard Overy etc cited the exaggerated Soviet numbers.
There were actually only twenty something Tigers involved at Prokhorovka, and only 1 was a total loss, of 3rd SS.
Both sides exaggerated their claims in various battles. I agree that the Soviets didn't lose 350 at Targu Frumos.
I can imagine how Stalin must have react when he was briefed about this battle.
" where are my tanks?" "We are winning,we are winning"!
The Tiger I's faster rate of fire, superior optics and more accurate long range gun was a clear advantage over the IS-2 in this, and other, long range slug fests. If a IS-2 managed to get a hit on a Tiger then even at distance if could be deadly, but it's gun wasn't as good a precision pinpoint anti tank gun as the Tiger's gun. None of the Tigers were even hit.
Have you ever seen this? Or have you read the books about it? How could the russians take Bucharest, Budapest, Vienna, Warsaw, Prague and BERLIN in1945?
@@user-fl4ly5qv8y russian scam.
The Soviets lost 96,000 of their own tanks, assault guns and tank destroyers and around 10,000 Lend Lease.
Despite defeating the Germans in the east they took very heavy losses. Even in 1944 they lost a staggering 24,000 tanks assault guns and tank destroyers.
The Soviets lost three of their own for every one German AFV. German losses in the east were circa 33,000.
Source. Grigori F Krivosheev.
@@lyndoncmp5751Watching the anglo-saxon films about the eastern front you start to thihk that anglo-saxons were the members of axis.So much sympathy for nazies suffering in barbarian Russia.Don`t wanna read the english books about it.Of course I don`t wish to challenge the facts in the book of Krivosheev.
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Krivosheev?
Lol, hey dope learn real history.
Go check stats. Russians made only 55k T34 during the whole war. You people are so dumb you are beyond being get educated.
the soviets later produced the JS-3 with an improved 122mm gun in
a tortoise-shell-turret that spans the whole width of the tank.
There wasn't any record of its seeing action in ww2.
But it did perform well & held its own against the Hungarians in 1956,
which didn't prevent it from perfectly exploding in the streets of Budapest,
as can be seen in some news pictures.
It was present too in sand-colored camouflage, in the 1957 Egyptian army parade.
That is after the Egyptian army's November '56 crushing defeat in the Sinai desert, just short of Suez.
Suez would be for June 1967. & West of Suez for October 1973.
If it was join in ww2 earlier the german will have a very very big problem with it's armor. Even the m48 cant pen is 3 if isnt at close range
The Egyption ones had 5 reverse gears and no forward.
didn't the egyptian one get destroyed by an improved israelian sherman
@@jassen1924 if close enough evey tank can destroy each other. If even that sherman shot the side of the abram at close enough it will go through it
@@anhgia2921 no, the israelin used a new type of round i think
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great explain video,congratulations!
Glad you liked it!
Anyways Tiger I is about 8 tons heavier than IS-2 and they actually could be classified different classes of tanks.
In Weapons Of Victory IS 2 video, it stated that in Soviet field tests, the King Tiger could penetrate IS 2 frontal armour from a range of 400 metres, but an IS 2 could penetrate a King Tiger from 600 metres.
It also claimed German tank commanders ordered all of their tanks not to engage IS 2s one on one, only in ambush scenarios.
That enormous 122ml gun of the IS 2 terrified the Germans, despite its slow rate of fire.
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A Tiger I could, and did, penetrate IS-2 frontally at 1,000m. The lower nose plate and turret front is 100mm. A Tiger I can get through that at 1,000 metres.
Only the sloped upper glacis was very difficult to get through, but not the lower front and turret front.
Wow, German Army was indeed very brave during the second World War against far superior in numbers Russian Army.
"Shhhhh Toooo'G" not st'uhg.
Otherwise... great video. Shared it around.
Never heard of this battle!
Next video should be done on operation "Bagration". Where German had absolute massive loss, and Soviets retake most of the Belorussia back. Your channel shows WW2 operations kind one sided. Whoever wants to learn more about WW2 Eastern front should watch: Soviet Storm Eastern Front. It's one of the greatest documentary movie about WW2 Eastern Front.
you probably got it wrong, the problem is that you are requesting a famous battle that everyone knows and is completely impossible to miss it. These people are trying to show battles of ww2 from a different point of view with battles that probably you never heard about.
@@vampi-chan3793 I don't think I did, the author/narrator did not even mentioned that this battle was a period of first Soviet Yassy-Kishinev offensive operation. It was just a a bad battle of very successful 2nd or August operation. The author mentioning very detailed information about German plans and commanders, very low information about the Soviet plans and commanders. Not fully detailing all the plans from both sides. Nobody knows exactly the losses. The narrator says it was approximately 350 Soviets tanks. Very low quality documentary film.
@@Andrey222ful still you probably didn't know about both Yassy-Kishinev offensives. Instead you're requesting a video of the famous Operation Bagration when you already have a lot of videos and information about it unlike that offensive that they are talking about in this video. And if you feel lacking information in this documentary film you can search further about it in Google or in other videos in RUclips, as all the people do.
@@vampi-chan3793 the documentary is still one sided, to balance things off a documentary about Bagration is needed, also, many people don't know about that operation, countrary to your saying
I love how Romanian army miss in this battle from there country,close to a major city from Romania. This is American history and corect interpretation from battle?
American? The narrator is clearly British! I don’t know what the fetish is with people having to add America to every other topic.
@@Putseller100 -OK! British!
Good one video.
Well done gentlemen . !
If it wasn't for the 8th Air Force, the Soviet army would still be fighting superior German Panzer units.
America will soon pay for its crimes
And if it weren't for the Red Army the Western Allies would have drowned in the Atlantic
So if you know the number of soviet tanks destroyed.... Why do you not know how many GERMAN tanks were destroyed as you got your information from German sources. Or is it like most things with the Germans, you have the official figure. Then the railhead gets overrun and you have to add 200 to the number. Just like at KURSK they added 760 in August? after the failed offensive
The Germans lost 10 tanks the Soviets 350 the battle is studied in military academys with the casualties
Division Totenkopf also played an important part in this battle. A lot of the film footage involves its soldiers,
Amazing videomaterial!
Nice when losses made No Difference ?