Low Compression Rotary, No Start FLOODED Mazda RX-8 Drove in Towed Out!
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"I'm just gonna poke around till it slides in."
We've all been there! 😉
Giggity.
I was going to comment on that, but I'm too late. Unintentionally, Ray always finds something funny to make me laugh. What a character.😂
Make sure you apply a liberal amount of anti-seize.
Hahaha
Does astroglide make anti seize?
lol, now Ray is going to get invited out to that ECM repair place 🤣
I don't think that will happen in this case.
Hey Ray, take my Flagshit ECM and ask then WTF?
"That ECM repair place" sounds ominously like "A farm upstate" where sick pets go when kids are young.
If he talks crap about any serious part on a car, like a computer or injector...the manufacturer will cry and complain.
They'll teach him all about blue stamps and upcharging.
Running a rotary for a short period without getting to operating temperature is number one way to flooding and fouling plugs and causing a no start condition
Once you start a rotary engine, you gotta leave it running. My uncle works on race cars that are rotary engines. He said that once these engines hit a certain point...they just crap out.
@@deplorablelibertarianyour uncle is an idiot then and/or someone is making up stories. They run for a long time, they just require extra maintenance
@@deplorablelibertarian Especially the Renesis engine in the RX-8. The ports are on the side plates instead of in the rotor housing so excess fuel is not slung out of the engine. Also tend to accumulate carbon on the seals for the same reason, which hurts compression and increases flooding risk even further.
From what I've heard, you also want to get them warm to prevent carbon building up on the housing which isn't good for the seals for multiple reasons
specially when just warm.
The rotary may be crap. But that starter is gold plated FIRE!
New t-shirt design idea: “I should have been an astronaut!” Ray in a space suit holding a ratchet.
Ray replaces Jerry L. In the remake of the movie "Way, way out!"
while sitting in the Delorean
He'll have a tough time without GRAVITY.
Does brake clean work in space?
Good idea 👍
Rotaries seem like a technology that is perpetually 10 years from being perfected.
Kind of like cvts.
Right? It seems like they dropped it right before they found the right material for the DAMB APEX SEALS
Banning rotary from racing killed them. Without funding and opportunity to stress them in racing. There was no way for mazda to work on them without it becoming just money pit. And to be frank. They are still using them in their new cars as generators. Plus we have LiquidPiston guys
@@SmallKittyPaw I mean they aren't banned from all kinds of racing. The aftermarket has some good options. If it was really an issue they'd take some advice from the aftermarket.
That was corrected with the RX7. I started with Mazda rotary when they were first introduced. Main issue with the RX8 is the US govt requiring thinner engine oil and folks using synthetic oil.@@the_car_guy5915
“ We’ve come so far”, except we’ve lost the “Doodly-doo-de-doo”! I want that back!
he should cut it from an old video and put it in editing when he switches views at least once per video
The Wife Unit had that on her phone and played it for him a while back. He DIDN'T like it.
Yes that is spot on
I WANT THE DOOODLY DOOO' BACK!!
Me too! I want it back!!!!😅
I must give you props for not being afraid to work on this rotary engine Ray, 75% of mechanics will outright reject working on them!
66% of mechanics tend to be component replacers anyway. The other 9% are scared of technology they don't understand.
Those spark plugs are insanely easy to access from the bottom of the car! :)
😮💨🫨
There is a Special procedure to shut down a Rotary after Starting and running for short periods of time. The Mazda dealership should have known that. There is a TSB ...
Basicly you dont Turn them Off at idle. You Turn them Off at about 2k-3k rpm to clear Out the junk.
The one mod I absolutely recommend on rotaries: fuel cut switch. If it floods, just kill the fuel pump and crank until it fires, then turn the pump back on. Sometimes even flood-clear mode doesn't work very well where manually shutting off the fuel pump will solve the problem every time. It's also useful as an anti-theft feature.
floor pedal , clear flood mode
it literally has that, hold your foot to the floor, that cuts out the fuel.
Most you tubers skip filming the hard stuff and just show the results as if it all happened instantly. I appreciate you Ray for filming everything. I feel like I am right there with you. What a great video. A friend of mine LS swapped one of these and uses it for racing. It is a beast. Not a big fan of rotary motors for all the reasons you have ably demonstrated here. Can’t wait for the new merch! Thank you
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There is no film involved. He is using an electronic camera, recording on computer memory. \he is not "filming".
@@The_DuMont_Network Wow, I think you get the troll crown, lol.
My son had a Rx 8 it was only a couple years old and low mileage but he was working on that thing all the time...by the time he got rid of it he had learned about everything about those things
They suck
When I bought couple of Wife unit t-shirts, everyone is having a great laugh about it here in the Philippines 😂
Give one to your brother who can't read english. Shh.
as someone who ones an rx-8 best way to get to the spark plugs is to take the wheel off on the driver side and you have perfect access to all 4. good to see a mechanic actually working on an rx-8 instead of just saying "its an rx-8 cant do anything"
Ray, my friend had a rotary Mazda years ago. He had the flooding, no start issue many times. The dealer’s tech told him to add a couple ounces of transmission fluid to a suction line and crank. Started instantly every time. Made lots of smoke, but it worked.
Brave man, I'm a family mechanic. Just light regular maintenance on my family's vehicles. I wouldn't even try to work on those black magic machines!
Ray, To get the plugs out easily next time pull the front left wheel off , there’s easy access with the wheel removed, you can casually reach in and remove them
That’s too easy. Ray likes to do things the hard way and cry about his wrist hurting 😂
"I should have been an ASTRONAUT" t-Shirt would be awesome!
Ray it would have been easier to remove the drivers wheel to get to the spark plugs through the wheel well, but also leave the plugs out and crank the engine with foot on the floor to get ride of the fuel
I had a friend back in the 80's that had an RX7 Mazda, and it drove great. But the maintenance schedule must be followed. Thank you Ray.
Mt buddy had one too. That this was awesome
I am thoroughly convinced that if an individual were granted access to an automotive ECM repair facility they would find the following: A large rectangular room with netted goals at each end with a rack containing hockey sticks. The repair procedure would go like this: The manager/overlord drops the ECM on the floor. The repair technicians then slap the ECM around the room with their hockey sticks. Once the ECM is slap shotted into a goal it is deemed repaired. The customer's credit/debit card is then tapped and the ECM is packaged and sent via UPS/USPS/FedEX/DHL. The package is dropkicked into the back of the delivery van. During transport the packaged ECM bounces and bangs around the back of the van while the driver takes corners on two wheels and gets airborne over railroad crossings. Upon arrival at it's destination the delivery driver dribbles the package to the customer's front doorstep. That is the ECM remanufacturing process in a nutshell. 🤣🤣
That would take more effort than I think they put into it😂
Makes me glad that the one time I had to replace an ECM I pulled it out of a front-end collision car in the junkyard.
An older car (1988 Chevy Celebrity, if I remember the year right) that had computer problems was fixed by getting a new EPROM and having a shop reprogram it.
The real shame is it may have been the decision of a person who sits in an office and accepted Ray's repair request might have burned the people actually doing the work.
Or it is such a small shop that it is the same person doing both jobs?
"We didn't fix anything. That'll be $40 per blue stamp"
That pretty much explains anything you send via the US Post Office, in my experience.
I had one of these. It was a spare car. We learned that you can't jockey these around. ( That floods them) You should also change the oil after an extreme flood. The oil level increases from the fuel getting past the rotary seals.
Fun car
For the Renesis rotary, a redline a day keeps Ray away. Unfortunately, this one's an automatic. Not only negates the high-rev characteristic, but iirc also removes one of the oil coolers. Heat is a prime enemy of this engine.
I used to track mine. Loved that car. Ran it till the apex seals were done, and in hindsight I shouldn't have gotten rid of it and just fixed it, but I traded it in and got me a Miata ND that I now love.
The opening sounded like my first Kawasaki dirt bike 45 years ago.
Plugs are dead easy to get out but you are supposed to access them from inside the wheel arch. There is even slots in the guard liner specifically for access.
Yup, quite smooth
@@craigfin3222 I'm not entirely sure but I think Ray never claimed to know everything about every car and would never make mistakes?! and yes, there are always comments under the videos from people who think they know everything better, that's nothing new and will always be the case, not just with Ray 🤷
👍nice
lol. Did Ray just find out by an oreilly parts delivery guy that this engine has two different plugs? Don’t yall have website access that tells you everything about the vehicles you work on? Like alldata etc
I always consult a repair manual before doing these jobs. And yes, if you own a shop and accept a car in the shop to work on for money, you should have a repair manual for that car. If you can’t afford the manual, stay home in mommies basement and don’t say you can work on it. And yes, there are e-manuals.
"We're just gonna poke around till it slides in." -Ray
That’s how you get children!😅
this ecm thing is going to be next injector-gate with the ecm repair shop.
Good job starting the rotary. When thoroughly flooded, I was never able get my RX7 to start until I pulled the plugs AND the cranked with the fuel pump fuse removed (real flood mode). Just like you, lots of fuel in the exhaust. I learned to never shut the engine off until it ran for at least a few minutes.
My old T2 suffered from slightly leaking injectors which wouldn't allow it to hot start ever. I learned the gentle art of solo bump starting while I waited for new injectors to arrive.
First time I’ve ever heard of two different type plug in the same engine
The rotary has a long combustion chamber because of the design. The leading plug fires first and the trailing fires after to facilitate the flame propagation in the correct direction for complete combustion of the fuel. The non standard plugs are supposed to be fouling resistant but if the engine is not run hard occasionally the carbon won’t burn off and will end up like the plugs he removed.
“Ain’t got no gas in it”
Most of the time my children that are under 40 now bring me their cars with little or no gas in the tank when they want service done on them. I don’t know if they expect me to fill it up but if it needs to set the evap system it has to have at least 1/4 tank of gas
I owned a '78, put 85k before the seals went. Manual choke, solid rear axel, had to time the points to each rotor, no ecu, I got better at it than the dealer out of necessity. So much fun to drive!!!
"What condition my condition was in" was done by Kenny Rogers & the first addition 😂😂😂😂
I had an 86 RX-7. I loved that car, but it was very easy to flood it. Something about those rotary engines.
@mustbetrue1602 Other than flooding, if it was turned off too soon after starting it, mine was very reliable.
I had a 1979 RX-7 and it ran great. Never saw this issue. It used 4 plugs, all the same, center electrode with 3 side electrodes. ( I once bought plugs with just 2 side electrodes and it just didn’t perform).
It ran so smoothly that when stopped at a light I had to look at the tach to see if it way still running 🤪
I scored a nice all black 1991 RX7 a few years back for $300 on Craigslist, guy didn't have a clue about rotary engines so I got a great car for a steal. (It just had fouled plugs!)
First gen?
Second gen FC non-turbo @@Meowface.
@@jSON-ze8uy
Oooo dream car
Almost bought one myself for my first car
Ended up with a transam instead
This is why I love the channel and what you do/stand for! You’re not afraid to call yourself as a business out if something isn’t up to your standards and you do your best to make it right! I wish you were closer to Charleston, SC! Probably not worth a fuel bill and hotel stay for me to bring my Silverado but I wish it was. lol
Super hard to find a trustworthy shop around here!
Anyway, love the channel and yours/Lauren’s morals! You two are amazing!
I do Gauge cluster repairs. When I get a unit that is beyond economical repair. I take photos if it is a fault that is visible. And send it to the customer. The only thing they pay for is shipping and I give them a discount on future service.
I also offer to buy the core as well. Because when some one has a damaged bezel or a PCB that is burned I can use that core as parts.
And some times there are PLA's and other special parts that aren't available especially for a 20yo car.
"Nothing personal against them" 🤔😂😂
My spidey sense says there's a factory tour of flagship ecm in the future.
I myself am pretty apprehensive about using ECM repair places that I have never used I had to once because the normal place was upfront to me saying that they didn't think they could work on it. The place that I went to, like you took my money to almost send me an email the same day received saying they could not work on it, and kept my money as a "diagnostic fee". smh. Great Video Ray!
Major scammy vibes
chevy had a problem maybe still does modules worked at room temp not in real world solder joints intermittant
A lot of them know what theyre doing. But if its cheap........sketch vibes.
Went to dealer running played with keys and security codes came back not running.....? And it's whose problem?
@@turboturtle9083 but its running. You didnt watch the video?
Mazda seem to be the only Japanese car manufacturer that still has build quality.
I know the rotary engine can be annoying, but when they are put together right, then wow Nelly, your in for a treat.
I built a 6 rotor engine.
We really went to town, to make a truely Superlative engine.
I ran 2 fuel tanks, one with super unleaded, the other tank had 120 octane race fuel.
I used fuel metering tech from a jet engine to very accurately put fuel into a small third tank, this tank fed the engine.
The ECU had 3 maps, each map used more 120 octane fuel.
I got 101, 108 and 115 octane fuel, that I could switch between in the car whilst driving.
8:1 compression ratio as we were running turbos.
6 speed manual gearbox with a LSD that could be locked for quick get aways!
730hp at the hubs @ 9250rpm.
645ft/lb at the hubs @ 5200rpm.
Oh my, I loved that car.
Toyota must have been making pool cues the last 20 years it seems
Pics or it NEVER happened. At all..
I love to see how much this channel has grown. Thank you for putting out such great content to watch while I am at work all day. I am no mechanic and never plan to, but I love to watch!
Coming soon: field trip video to Flagship ECM 🤣🤣
That's why Mazda rotaries had a antifreeze injection thing to help them start.
You live and learn!
Hey Ray. There is a Access Port in the wheel well and on the Block it Staates which Plug goes where :) they are marked L and T
It's also pretty easy to remember that on a Mazda rotary the trailing plug is above the leading one, so L for lower, T for top.
I like 99% of your videos. As long as there are some ramblings and views good videos or can't see videos. Being taken for the ride is entertaining in itself for me.
And you learned a lot. That's how you grow, that is by taking on the hard stuff which ultimately makes you more proficient
Rotary engine doing rotary things
They suckkkkk
How many rotors are in this engine? I remember a long time ago when there was a race car with 4 rotors. How many are in this street car?
@@deplorablelibertarian 3....I think
Since he just changed 4 plugs I'm going to say 2 rotors in this car.
@@deplorablelibertarian 2 rotors and one rotor have 2 plugs.
That's leading and trailing plugs. Reminds me of the time i changed out plugs on a '75 Chevy Monza V8. After the two and a half hours it took to replace them I looked up the spark plug changing procedure in our Chilton manual(hate Chilton), the manual said to unbolt the engine mount bolts and jack up the engine to properly reach them. 😮
@@mustbetrue1602 well,working for a guy that leased service stations from the oil companies at the time,the boss had his own collection of work manuals. That was something necessary for the time. The boss would go through mechanics like changing underwear because each one had their quirks along with some being outright crooks and thieves. There a few really good mechanics that ran their own businesses and mechanics that worked for dealerships which had formal training by the car manufacturers. Those were the coveted jobs to have as they got the necessary training and equipment to work on newer cars. It got to where our place of business had to turn away more and more work because we weren't equipped and didn't have the expertise and training and diagnostic tools that the dealership mechanics had for newer cars.
I myself was a GS man but could change out parts that the boss would diagnose. I was making only $4.25 an hour at the time so I took my uncle's advice and applied for a job at the premium concrete ready mix company in my city. I got an immediate pay raise to $7.26 an hour with plenty of overtime driving a mixer and I never looked back. I retired recently making almost $27 an hour plus retirement benefits. As I'm mechanically inclined I still worked on my own cars and even worked on some relatives cars for fun.
@@mustbetrue1602that's why my friends and I got the bright idea to photocopy the sections of manual we needed at the library... At the time, it was a nickel a page.
Now days, it is an on line script. Alldata is $60 year. Per car.
I have learned in watching your videos what vehicles I need to stay away from buying due to bad conditions for repair. Your persistence paid off in this case.
I am reminded of all the cold start diesel videos I've enjoyed. Hello again Mr. Al Go-Rhythm. :)
Remove the left wheel and you should get easy access to the spark plugs. For de flooding try slowly lifting your foot up on the throttle till it fires then push down again and do it again till your able to get it to fire.
An early Kenny Rogers reference! Nice!
The First Edition, 1967 😎
Your commentary on your videos is superior, and today that came in handy for this one where visibility was minimal at best. So many modern vehicles that come through your shop give me an education, this rotary engine...well okay, some. You will tackle any job.
Retired Jeep tech reporting in. I too know the pain of rotary engines. Had a customer bring one in for this very service. The service writer may have gotten a wrench hurled at him.
I'm not an expert on them, but they're a ticking time bomb as the miles creep up to like 100k, the apex seals wear out and have to be replaced. I have a buddy who has 2 complete engines, he just swaps them out every 80k and rebuilds the one that came out in his spare time. Glad to see this one was just mega flooded.
I read that if you put an oil mix into the fuel and do the rev thing on shut down there's no wear issue anymore.
"just gonna poke around till it fits in"... Ooh err matron.....
I know, I know....
I ordered a Flagshit ECM for my car a year ago and they sent me one that couldn't possibly have been programmed for my car. The car ran much better on the original ECM. They are aholes.
All Ray had to do is check the BBB site. Read the complaints. Of course, that’s too easy. Just like taking the wheel off and changing the plugs in 10 minutes.
DEI hires ...
I watch your channel everyday and you doing those plugs reminded of this song To See What Condition My Condition Was In LOL Love the content !!!!
Your hilarious, the way you make it sound easy to manoeuvre around to get positioned, 😂😅 thanks for sharing, all the best to you and your loved ones
This car will be back soon for a new starter motor !
Hey Ray! Thank you so much for fixing my car. I know it can be a headache but I really appreciate all you did for me.
Your RX-8 Friend? Always I wanted one of these.
@@chriskline3763 Yep! I love RX-8s so much. This is my second one.
@@xoxolivgraceHow many miles can you get out of a rotary engine with proper care and maintenance? Are these engines pretty reliable?
In the UK (and I know this will be controversial/lead to an argument!) but my experience is these engines are good for 60-80,000 miles before low compression issues arise. Yes, I’ve heard of owners running them to 100,000+ miles but I’ve never actually met one.
@@JW-xn9fj Hi nice to meet you. You’ve met one now lol. My last one I had at 120k before it got totaled. Never had any engine issues at all.
Trying to get a car started like that is super frustrating, but this was a fun video to watch you get it figured out.
im impressed that you are even working on this. most shops wont touch a rotary engine. it was flooded because someone shut it off before the engine heated up. judging by that spark plug it was way past due for spark plug replacement. they should be changed no later than every 30K to the tune of $130 for a set. also, it would be much easier for you if you took off the drivers front wheel. they are right there very easy to get to. you are exactly wrong. the leading is on the bottom and the trailing is on the top. the spark plugs themselves have an L and T on the plug to tell you which is which.
Again, you did what was right, regardless of your cost. You're restoring reputation of mechanics one car at a time!
#2 in tonight.... 😁 Always fun watching Ray!
From the title was expecting this to be a too expensive to fix. Happy it worked out!
I have to admit, I loved the RX-2 I had in high school. It was a blast to drive, very peppy, and extremely easy to perform maintenance items on in my high school ROP Automotive Class.
Perfect LS swap candidate.
why not a dodge slant 6?
Or a Supra 2JZ swap
Just buy a Corvette, it's cheaper than swapping. Stop ruining rx-8s.
@@davehoffman515lol you said stop ruining rx-8s.
Ray, welcome to Asian and European style design and manufacture of vehicles 😅😅😅😅😅😅
I had 2 RX-8s. 1st one was bougjt back by Mazda due to wrong published engine data. That 1st rx8 had a bad navigation system, too. The car was in the shop more than I had owned it. Turned out it was the night to day display on the pop up nav screen that caused it to not work. I bought snother one without navigation and with 6 speed manual. Loved that car. Kept it until it was in a car accident. Just wasn't the same after that. You did great, Ray.
The Rotary Engine idea looks good on paper, but in reality it is a dismal failure.
But Mazda spent like $700 million over the years developing the engine. They can't give up on it so it's still on the books as a live design. Just to keep the accountants semi-happy.
Thank you for putting the models you are working on in the titles again.
Clickbait titles are only good at the start, but later when looking for a video it is difficult to find.
Love your videos
Ray FYI We always recommended an oil change on these when they came in flooded. Nice job love your videos.
Facts bro, great job!!
In the 90s, my friend had an RX7 he loved. He always had to take it to Petit near Miami. They are fun cars to drive (and to ride in).
A long time ago, I owned a 1988 RX-7. Never again. They overheat easily, and there goes your compression. They reqire constant care, like a puppy. BTW, I got my plugs out using 3 extensions and a swivel joint.
ECM field trip in the horizon Ray.... Great video!.. Rotaries are a very rare beast!
my uncle had I believe RX-5 it was rolled and he rebuilt it it was very peppie motor! 4 door sedan
do not know what ever happened to it. but it looked like a monster to work on! great job! it is hard
to un flood that rotary engine! Take care Ray! “the magic man” bring the dead cars to life!
Persistence is the key, Ray👍🏽
One thing that I learned from the older rotory engines especially if it gets flooded have to add some oil to the cylinders or in the gas to help get the rotor seals to make good seal again
we always squirted some trans fluid in thru the plug holes on flooded RX-7s it did help
Yup, a little bit of an oil film helps the apex seals provide a much better seal. The normally present film gets washed away by the fuel during flooding.
Seeing you on camera is a good look for you! Makes it a lot more personable. Keep up the good work.
I thought I complained a lot about not being able to get to or reach my spark plugs to change them. But watching this my plugs are child's play to do. Ray, you are a master contortionist to get to these plugs. You are to be commended.
Why commend someone for showing how to do it the wrong way. It takes about 5 minutes through the wheel well or if you’re too lazy to take the wheel off, from underneath.
@@justpray365This, but don't tell the fanboys that Ray is wrong. In their (not saying his) eyes he can do no wrong and knows all.
Fanboys=little to no experience.
"I just checked in to see what condition my condition was in" -Kenny Rogers
This Dude abides!
the sound of that ultra flooded engine and starter turning over for so long was distressing XD so glad u got it running! :D
Thanks Ray
RX8 is one of my all time favorite cars. Such a beaut and an awesome car. gotta know how to keep them going though.
What a rough afternoon one car can give.
Thanks Ray. I used to lust after Mazda RX's, but after learning of the problems that seemed to pop up all to often I never committed to getting one. What's interesting is there are places that still fight to perfect the rotary today. Liquid Piston comes to mind. With the advances in materials and manufacture there now may be a consistently reliable rotary out there.
They're an enthusiasts car. You have to really love them. You can rebuild them pretty cheap. Aftermarket has a few good upgrades and preventive maintenance upgrades too. Or you can just LS swap them... I've wanted one for a while. They're cheap. (Or were cheap)
For any future rotary repairs the spark plugs are a lot easier to get to from behind the driver front wheel.
Thanks for the video, if you're needing to get to the plugs again the best way is to remove the wheel and reach past the breaks to the spark plugs, also under the car is better than above the car.
Good morning Mr Ray hope y'all have a wonderful day
Great video!
They’re fun when you can keep them running though they make a nice sound. I worked on one years ago old school had a carburetor on it ended up having a bad needle valve fix that and got it running good then the guy sold it which was probably the right move.
Great starter test
Yep!
On a side note RUclips rotary engine on youtube and the guys across the pond hooked me up. I love my rx8.
You've came a long way. Really nice haircut for a change. 🎉
I sent out a complete dash board display to a repair service based in Fla years ago. Electronic LED display was missing segments on a 2002 Audi A6...they made it like brand new, lot better and cheaper than a new display. speedo repair place was a good deal, fast turnaround...display came back like new