Realistic video game combat animations:
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
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Thanks for the shout out Shad, glad you liked the video! The sword you liked is the "Knight Bastard Medieval Sword" from Darksword Armory. They classify it as 14th century, Oakshott type 14. I've got a video on dodge rolls coming out in the next few weeks.
I'm upset that I cannot give you more than one like.
thanks for the moves fam, but they dont quite fit a game where blocking doesnt make sence, a game with big creatures as enemys need attack that look as going all out, could you try your hand at that? Im looking for:
great sword
halberd (polearm)
spear and shield (though this one is pretty much poke spam)
if you are wondering, blocking can only be done with the large shield that goes with the spear and it only works on weaker smaller attacks, like a dragon doing a quick light jab.
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@AileDiablo TLDR: TLDR
@AileDiablo Too Long Didn't Read: Too Long Didn't Read
Small developers like me are soaking this in with no practical budget or resources to implement them and large AAA studios are ignoring this. What a paradox.
That's because AAA studios so often rest on their laurels and assume everyone will buy their games, no questions asked. I haven't bought a major studio game title in 10 years.
@@md_vandenberg What about Minecraft?
@@md_vandenberg Probably has more to do with video games costing tens of millions of dollars to create, and so they go the perceived safe route and do what everyone else is doing, and what has worked, before.
@@Berd-Wasted. For one thing, Minecraft isn't a AAA game, it's an overgrown indie game
@@TheRenegade... Does a Publisher make it Valid?
I have never heard someone say "that's a sexy sword" so seriously in my life lol
I guess that sword is a relative of Right Said Fred.
I'm too sexy for my hilt, too sexy for my hilt, so sexy how I'm built
I'm too sexy for my edge, too sexy for my edge, so sexy I'm on a ledge
Yeah I'm a sword, ya know what I mean, when I swing my big blade on the rampart, yeah on the rampart, I shake my big blade on the rampart
That's what she said.
@@Crusader1245 Michael Scott, in the house!
I shoudnt have laughed that hard this late i think i disturbed the neighbours when he said that.
New to the HEMA community?
21:53 Ah yes, the infamous "pocket cat" maneuver. Quite similar to (yet distinctly different from) the "pocket sand" maneuver.
Is that a metal gear rising reference?
@@Otto_Von_Beansmarck I think is a King of the Hill reference
@@Inferryu Yeah I know I was just joking as there is no way that could possibly be interpreted as a Metal Gear Rising: Revengence reference
Sha-shah!
this is something I actually want to mention Monster Hunter does really well (specifically in the titles from World and back) and I dont mean the weapon movesets, I actually mean the *monster* movesets. many attacks move rapidly during the actual action, but feature a windup and/or predictable pattern before it happens. they often feature a lot of endlag for the player to take advantage of as well, or follow up with another move rather smoothly. in either case, the monster is exercising the usage of a large action with a lot of momentum, so the combo stopping or continuing feels entirely natural
It's not only monsters. Monster Hunter does a really great job conveying the weight of the weapon and the power of the strikes. Also, considering you're not fighting armed oponents, but instead you're fighting monsters that aren't really familiar with martial arts, a lot of things aren't really as important anymore. When Rathalos swings his huge tail at you, it doesn't really matter what position your sword was in after the strike, you're getting hit regardless. Unless you have a way to shield yourself, the only defence is getting out of the way.
Keeping that in mind, I find the weapon animations to be really good, they are a great mix of a dose of realism and just pure cool factor.
@@RiskOfBaer So, instead of Martial Arts, would it be Hunting Arts?
I'd like to add my comment from the fighting games' - and so PvP - perspective. Speaking of the attack animation specifically, I personally completely support the need for a clear windup on all attacks: a shorter one on lighter attacks, and a longer one on the heavier attacks. Ideally, the heavier attacks should take longer to finish, so that they are more easily punishable on whiff, and thus carry more risk unless comboed into. In fact, I think the attack speed itself is irrelevant for combo starters, since at that moment what matters is if the opponent manages to confirm a hit on you.
The windup argument above was more or less written with the following limiting preconditions:
- We are ignoring every other mechanic, and concerning ourselves solely with the attack animation.
- We couldn't read the opponent.
- We have an adequate reaction time, so we are theoretically able to react to the attack in some useful way, provided there's a clear and distinct windup animation for each attack type.
@@RiskOfBaer yeah I agree. when fighting people or smaller creatures, positioning of your weapon is more important, and actual force/momentum less important. but against massive monsters, that completely flips. maximum momentum is what matters, whereas positioning of the weapon is mostly only important when it comes to access to mobility such as dodging, or further follow ups with greater momentum for more damage.
@@RiskOfBaer and the animations for the Greatsword it show how heavy it is and the force of the swings
I’d love to see a game where the skill shown in the animations improves as you level up, so you start swinging like a drunk clown with a fly swatter at level one, but by level 20 you look like a legitimately badass competent swordsman
Gothic 1 and 2 did that way back when. Level 1 you hold a single handed weapon with both hands and swing like a Marvel character. Later you get faster and have... 'different' technique (it's not good but feels better)
They kinda have something like that in Kingdom Come Deliverance
Kingdom come deliverance
Exanima
Dying Light. Though more so with the parkour lol.
23:32 - I love how the guy basically says "I have no idea what I'm doing, I just watched semi-competent people for two minutes" and he already does way better job than video game animation studios that grab serious cash for combat animations...
It's cool to make the animation,
Now implement (⌐■-■)
Idk if there’s any Skyrim Modders that watch this, but These could totally be modded into Skyrim, if anyone with any skill sees this! Please do it!
@AileDiablo I stopped reading this half way through because I realized you were just trolling, but you clearly don’t pay attention to modding, because there’s hundreds of animation mods for Skyrim, I was just suggesting someone should try to make a move set focused on these historical combat references. No need to take it up the ass so hard. It’s just a game, modding is for fun. I could tell you’re no fun lol
Issue is for Skyrim its gonna be very clunky. IT doesnt contains the mechanics to mąkę it worth IT.
@@boguslav9502 I beg to differ, with the right mods you can inject whatever mechanics you want. Just look up “Skyrim dark souls mods” dodger rolls, timed parries, all that stuff can be modded in, people dramatically change the way it plays all the time.
@AileDiablo It doesn't take millions of dollars for your animations to not suck. They do it with Japanese swords all the time but butcher European swordsmanship.
@AileDiablo literally none of your suggestions are easier to implement than combat animations. There's plenty of combat mods for Skyrim, but adding your retarded suggestions that make no sense for the lore, engine or setting, there's plenty of those too. Your suggestions seem to indicate you're one of those "dum" people you were referring to, especially you going on a tangent about game breaking mechanics and acting as though they would be easy to add and casual.
I would like to say that the game devs team also need to be mindful with the balance of vertical horizontal strikes, also the balance of the amount combo moves per second.
Also, as a layman gamer, you would rarely find an above head horizontal strikes, this make sense as the game model have limited hitbox that mostly in the mid-torso body part.
The were also some intentional parts of this animation designs to really characterized the game character. For example, in the case of Witcher 3, it was a deliberete attempt by the devs to make Geralt attack moveset like dances, so the circling attacks did go like a dance move. Interestingly, Witcher 1 did it a more realistic approach for that specific attack moves.
Good points. Although with above the head horizontal strikes, you can still aim for the upper-middle of the torso. You just have to angle the tip of the blad down a bit, which isn't hard. I just tested it out with my longsword and if I was fighting somebody my height, I would cut about an inch above their belly button at my lowest swing with a neutral stance. If you wanted to bring it even lower, you could also drop your stance down.
@AileDiablo So what you're saying is, adding more realistic animations is more difficult than adding _all that_? Even just adding the spherical control and switching from first to third person would be tricky, same with adding just the pet horse, dragon, phoenix, etc. (which all need their own animation sets, which might already be nearly as much work as adding more realistic animations).
For me the most complicated point is working all the weapons with the same care with specific techniques for each one and the point that breaks me whenever I think about it. What is the realism of armor how to make realistic armor that fits the movement ranges I can't think of a definitive gameplay solution that implements it well armor.
#suggestion Shad, I would like you to make a video about medieval horses and how did the armies trained them to not be scared so easily like todays horses. Love your videos!
Love the Idea but I think "Modern History TV" would be better suited for that task. 😃
Chastity Marks is right. Shad doesn’t really have much experience with Horse training.
I think it would be a good idea, only if you could see Shad actually owning a horse in his videos, but no.
Interesting topic idea. Hopefully he covers it.
Lol people just don't train their horses today. Has nothing to do with the horses themselves. We just generally don't get into mounted combat anymore. Go see a mounted police horse or an Amish buggy horse. They're very well trained and almost never spook.
Glad to be early because I have a bone to pick with you Shad!
Thanks to you I’m now addicted to the Wheel of Time series and will have to use my audible credits on those books for the foreseeable future.
I’m kidding of course, thanks for turning me onto the series
Another great series is the Legends of Drizzt by R.A. Salvatore. Also Tamora Pierce's various series are great. Additionally Rick Riordan's series' are great no matter your age.
Re quarter staff guy: move sets like this would be great for mage classes with staves if caught into melee
hate the troupe that mages are one weak bop then done for their turn...who's to say they didnt come across books depicting martial arts techniques or something like that...or just pick stuff up from watching allies in fights or sparing sessions while they were reading their books? the troupe that magic users have no interest in physical activities...ever...that needs to die off
@@reienna6410 yeah I mean if your out adventuring then you have to be fairly physically fit and you don't have to be a genius to whack something with a stick. I mean if a barbarian can figure it out then one good afternoon and a mage should be good
@AileDiablo tl:dr for the most part...but i am fairly sure shad already addressed some of these things in prior videos...like extreme speed and super strength...not really meaning as much as they should...for a human anyway...without the extreme durability to back it up...super strength is useless without mass...and super speed/reflexes you risk ripping your body apart.
Shad: Realistic video game combat animations
Skallagrim literally 3 hours later: How much realism is too much in video games?
I think the elegance is what should be taken from the realistic combat references. Wild haymaker swings look so...unrefined. Elden Ring didn't often go that far, but other games...oh boy.
Glad you liked it! :D Thanks for the idea to do it, and the feedback. It was a bunch of fun!
Honestly watching this, something that peaked my attention is how the Bosses in Elden Ring actually have that "pause" in-between attacks. So they're already half way to allowing players a similar mechanic.
On top of that I can see game devs seeing these moves and thinking they lack *flair*, which is fair! However, I can easily see ways to find a compromise and simply have these attacks come off as Vicious instead of simply Effective. If you add the emotion of anger/determination to the player while these attacks are coming out, they can still be trained and yet have an understandable amount of unsafety layered under anger!
Also side bar, but because of video game mechanics and the possibility of fighting very small enemies. The "high-cut" portion of some of these combos would probably have to be tweaked simply for convenience.
When Lord Shad made the summons throughout the continent, far and wide, many warriors from distant parts of the world has answered it and it was glorious. Lord Shad is an inspiration to many and as his channel grew from his love of all things medieval and fantasy, his reach grew as well and he is known in this community.
All you need to get the Lord of Honorguard and Sentinel of the Shadlands attention is a beautiful sword and swordplay.
On a personal note is that it still shocks me that these companies have the means, reach and money to bring these people in and they can make their games all the more better from storylines(better writers), fantasy imagination(fans of the genre) and of course combat gameplay(Shad and the Rest).
You forgot Shads most important title. The patron saint of MACHICULATIOOOOOOON-ZAH!!!
@@Likexner But what about DRAGONS??!!!!!
@@JustTooDamnHonest Im not that into what about dragons, but ill give you a like for responding.
@@Likexner Thank you very much.
It would be great to see how some of these ideas would work in bulky armor. Videogame heavy armor can get pretty over the top and the animators often try to take that into account in order to avoid ugly clipping whenever possible.
I'd love to see how these could be adapted into First Person. There might have to be some minor changes, since it can be rather problematic to have weapons go off screen mid combo or have arms in front of the face.
A couple of notes from someone who has little to none experience in swordplay irl:
Souls-like combat is a rythm game, so a consistent tempo is important. If you are going to go of beat then make sure it is still in line with the tempo. If you speed up try to still keep the spacing between hits the same.
Back steps, while being accurate to armed fighting, feels weird for the player, if not done on purpose.
Something like the shamshir goes really well with very fluid moves. While straighter swords looks better when doing quick changes in directions.
"Souls-like combat is always a rythm game"
Malenia : N O
@@Dan_Kanerva
Because rhythm isn’t the word to describe it. Souls born games are pattern based. Every enemy, every attack. Once you recognize the patterns, you remember the timings, and bosses become pushovers. Even Malenia
@@CMTechnica isn't that how every videogame works tho ? from Tetris to Street Fighter...
Only game i can think where characters act random is GTA
@@Dan_Kanerva well if we are being super reductive everything we do is pattern recognition and reapplying based on those prior actions.
@@Dan_Kanerva i haven't played Elden ring so I'm not an expert on that perticular boss. But she has a very clear rythm. One of her attack is some big windup on 1 and then a hit on 4. She also has one where she attacks on 1, 2 and 3 and then a pause on 4. However she can be interupted which makes it a bit harder to follow the rythm. They almost all use a 4/4 rythm
Reason the dancer of the boreal valley os so hard is because she uses a 3/4 rhythm.
No not all combat in games is as reliant on rhythm as souls-like. It doesn't matter really in shooters for a start. In more hack-n-slash style combat it isn't as important either. It is because the souls-like games punish you so hard for messing up, that you have to stay on rythm.
I appreciate the review-highlights+shoutout format. Instead of just him sitting on RUclips-live for hours and hours "reacting" and just absorbing and creating a direct-replacement for all the hard work of the medieval-community on youtube.
And yes this is a DarkviperAU refrence.
Thank you, I'm someone who is looking to make a fighting game with some characters with weapons and such so this is an amazing tool I intend to use.
Love the video Shad! And I very much agree about how a lot of these animations could be used in video games. There are 3 basic concepts when dealing with animations (and combat animations are the best at showing them off!) 1.) Anticipation 2.) Action 3.) Recoil. If we map this onto something like a basic sword attack: the anticipation is lifting the sword, the action is swinging the sword down, and setting up for your next attack is the recoil. You can fiddle with these 3 aspects of an animation to change how it feels and how it works in game. The most common method is to lengthen either the anticipation or the recoil. These are the two that really "sell" the weight and effect of an attack. Want it to feel like your sword is heavy? Give it a long recoil. Want it to feel like the attack does a lot of damage? Give it a long anticipation. Want the attack to be a spectacle? lengthen the action!
I agree with your assessment of the animations and all of these would be great for a game!
Always a good day when there’s a new video from Shadiversity in your feed. Even better when it’s about video games. Lol
I'd like to note that there is a greatseord moveset in Elden Ring and Dark Souls 3 that always end in a guard after each attack. Now with 100% less ground slamming!
I do know several people who love the ground slamming though.
Ah, good ol' Hollowslayer Greatsword and Knight's Greatsword. They do have one part of the animation I do not like personally, which is the sword being swung all the way back. However, if you continue the animation, the character will reposition his blade back to a guard. Only little nitpick I do not like, but still leagues better than what say the Zweihander got.
@@ulgrim8966 Yeah I recalled that being a thing, sadly
@@boufey5169 Thank God for people like Shad starting stuff up like this to slowly improve animations in games.
Right, and the farron greatsword also exists
4:46 The whole conversation here about "it changes how it looks" is also extremely important because it CAN effect gameplay in subtle, subconsious ways.
To quote the example from a video I watched (it was a tutorial on spriting for Rivals of Aether if anyone is curious) they took a look at a couple of characters from street fighter.
Ryu's idle animation is very textbook, he has a strict stance, hops around a little but not too much showing he's ready to move into offence or defence. Everything about how he stands idle re-enforces that he's a well rounded, textbook combatant that has praticed every day for his entire life, and his attacks all follow a similar theme; strict, praticed, textbook.
Then compare to Mokoto (i think it was her name) Her stance is stoick with next to no movement beyond her clothes blowing in the wind. At the same time, her entire stance gives a feeling of being held back, her dynamic lines all face backwards towards a clentched back fist, implying she's holding back something huge. Her attack animations are huge and explosive before snapping back to this held back idle, maximum impact for 0 wasted energy.
We can apply this same idea to combat with weapons. Give two identical knights identical greatswords but make one stand idle in plow, the other in wrath. Instantly we'd assume just from their posture that the guy in plow is a more well rounded fighter, adopting a stance that's good for both attack and defence, he's going to be tight and efficent with no wasted energy.
Meanwhile, a single look at the guy in wrath and we can tell he's an aggro fighter. Even when not an overswinging oaf, this stance exudes a more agressive approch to battle, they're going to want to be the one who engages you and who keeps on the pressure so you don't get a chance to mount an effective counter attack.
You can even combine the ideas of different idle stances for different modes. Maybe both of these characters are the same knight who fights more aggro in the first half but tightens up when below half health, or maybe it's based on player health and he'll be more agressive when the player is almost dead.
All in all, a really long winded way of agreeing with Shad that "the idle stance is extremely important!"
Wanna say - Kramers footwork is BEAU-TY-FUL!!!
Always criticise everything, even if you love it. Objectivity allows things to improve, even if you think it is perfect, there are always improvements to be made. Great video and it was you who initially plugged me to Living Anachronism's channel, he makes amazing content. Thanks a lot mate.
I'm working on several mods for Skyrim, and I have been considering making a framework for Skyrim. However, I would actually like combat animations to affect gameplay. In particular, the skill level of the character reflecting their combat animations. So, for instance, a novice would use very clunky sword animations, have limited reach and deal less damage, whereas a more experience fighter will have much more accurate animations, deal more damage. So kinda make it feel like the character is progressing, and have this reflected by the animations being used.
Would it not be possible with DAR?
I used to use FNIS PCEA for a similar effect.
@@ink4852 Yes, I am planning on using DAR for this purpose.
Do you have a way we can keep track? I might like to try that mod when/if it's in a working beta.
@@nexidal9656 Follow my channel. I'll post about it and other projects from time to time.
Edit: Just made some of my older unlisted videos public.
SCREW YOU!!! SKYRIM'S COMBAT AND VARIOUS OTHER SYSTEMS ARE FINE AS IS!!!!!!!!!
I love this a lot. This is useful and game changing.
There is something oddly wholesome and dare I say, graceful about the way you get such a kick out of watching these moves. They are very good, but what is better? Watching you turn into soup with glee :D
Dang im in this video lol, and im not even getting roasted! Thanks for the shoutout shad! (Im just a random guy, i dont really do youtube)
I think scholarship is one of the greatest virtues people can have, and videos like this gives me hope for the future
One of the best swordfight scenes in cinema history was performed by Danny Kaye in The Court Jester. I think people could learn a lot from studying it
Princess Brides Sword fight scene is the best!
Good morning and great video Shad! Also, thank you for giving a shout out to *Living Anachronism*.
Love this video shad I was looking for sword moves that were viable in real life as I wanted to animate them your video was very informative and gave me a lot of moves to choose from
Good call with this combat animations, Shad. It's great to watch them all.
The intention and what has already been shown is useful is a lot of situations. A down side to how these are filmed though is that they are on a single person. That can make it hard to accurately animate what a skilled opponent would do in response. Like I said, these are awesome and appreciated, It just leaves the realism kind of half answered since it fixes the accuracy of the attacker, not a defender.
I suppose an animator can fill in the gaps.
My biggest gripe is not this actually.
Imagine an animator.
He scrolls, says "let's see if they convince me"
Skips chunks of videos, sees things, leaves.
I mean the videos are good but will an animator be convinced? They don't look much prettier than modern animations, not out if the box anyway.
I do wish Shad invites an animator who doesn't care about HEMA to capture his actual reactions.
How would you even animate what anyone would do in response? I think it's possible, but making an animation to respond to another animation for every animation sounds like a knightmare.
Personally, I've only seen one games do that...on the ps2. I know more have had to tried it.
By the way, that game was Urban Reign. Damn great game.
Edit: though it really wasn't all animation. It was just dodge animations.
Great Job all!!
Amazing community we got here
The one thing I have learned for certain is that Shad LOVES reverse guards and attacks.
The guy at about 12:00 - love that kettle helm. When I played Kingdom Come Deliverance, I settled on the kettle helm in my run, even endgame, using the highest quality one I could find, and even though I could get a bit more protection from the visored helmets, I found the loss of vision too much, especially since my build of Henry featured opening up with archery or horse archery, then switching to hand to hand once the enemies had managed to close, or I'd done enough charging around on horseback to have softened them up a bit if I was outnumbered, before engaging, usually with a mace or axe.
The guy just before 13:00 - I love his use of the buckler, keeping it in a reasonable guard position during all movements, so it's always presented between him and his opponent, or at least close to it and ready to respond to block a counter were one to come. Far better then most shield animations where they show the character moving their shield behind their backs, which when you think about it is stupid, you're just taking your best defense and placing it where it is worse then useless. Not only is the shield not in a position to do anything to help you out in defending yourself or doing a shield strike to create an opening, but it's also now just dead weight on your arm, tiering you out more and slowing your off arm movements down a lot.
Great stuff, I hope to see some of these in a game at some point.
13:07 the best part is he keeps his shield in front of him. In many games when they strike they completely leave themselves open.
That's kind of the problem though, isn't the point usually that you aren't supposed to be able to guard and attack at the same time in a game? If you can just block whilst you're attacking, then it kind of seems like you're allowed to just block infinitely, and at that point it's not much of a mechanic any more.
@@tobiashagstrom4168 Thats not an issue you can keep it just because it looks better or just give a small defence bonus. No need for the incoming attack to be fully blocked.
@@vyrenvygolo2429 but if it's not clear they're exposed, you might not get the signal of "oh shit, there in recovery, I should be punishing them now", if it looks like there prepared to block your next hit, the number one priority of game animation is visual clarity and realism like that would fuck with it, you'll normally only see an attack that looks like that in a game if it's something you can do while you're blocking
This series is a treasure!
You left out the best melee combat game of all time! Exanima!! Hit me up with a pm and I can tell you all about it and will even send you over a key to play it. Just to give you a taste there are over a million variations of the longsword alone.
Aight Konrax, time to help you get this comment noticed
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Exanima is an amazing game, definitely worth at least a small try from everyone!
The fights are great. Exanima respects the fundamentals of combat.
Yes
#suggestion Shad, could you made a video of historically accurate shield gameplay for the enemy? like how to break a shield guard how to make so a buckler can defend but not too much and so on, thx ^^
0:55 "I know I'm not the best swordsman in the world"
*Shocked Pikachu Face*
It is important to mention that Geralt, like many other witchers, have enhanced strength as a result of their mutations. This would at least make at least some of his flourishing moves (which don’t always have the best stances, weight distribution, and force distribution) at least slightly more viable.
I think the "but superstrenght" argument does not excuse inefficient and coreographed moves. Yes he can do it, but the question becomes why would he do a less efficient move set just for looks.
This is valid for any "but super X" argument in general, the point is not if the hero can, but why the hero would.
@@SknCommonLisper Oh the book author isn't going to win this fight either, if something looks stupid and out of character in the book, it's also wrong. Just because it is "source material" doesn't mean it's immune from fight scene criticism
@@SknCommonLisper No I disagree. There are lines you can't cross without it becoming campy as heck and changing the tone and feel of the movie.
From something where you invest in the characters it becomes a michael bay movie where nothing is really at risk and everything is blowing up, and you are just there for looking at light shows. Mind me I do like that kinds of movies too, remember Battleship? But that just ONE of the types of media you can have.
Star wars planets are for the most part believable enough even if they are "monoclimate" which is not realistic, I'm not sure where does SW have the inter-species breeding, but in Star trek (where it is a thing) it's still believable enough as the "aliens" look all very human-like, and it's even explained in one of the episodes in TNG by a recording of a progenitor race that supposedly created all current humanoid races in Star Trek from the same base stock.
What doesn't make sense is basic physics stuff or movement. Like the fighting when you have someone that is doing some fancy triple spin while the enemy is patiently waiting to get whacked, or conveniently forgets to shoot his ranged weapons, or does any of those things that anyone in the audience can easily understand and see.
That's just garbage fighting coreography, you can have it done flashy to an extent, but you can't immobilize the enemy for 5 seconds like the "self defence" videos of bullshido masters where somehow the guy stops time and can do 10 moves before the armed guy can react.
Or you somehow find a way to have your heroes do a cavalry charge against people armed with guns that can shoot full auto for days and not get absolutely shredded by a single dude with an assault rifle, as in one DisneyWars movie.
Asian and indian/pakistan media is different, they expect very theatrical moves, emotions and exaggerated expressions.
So their stuff is by default somewhat campy, comical and strange to people accustomed to more "serious" or "realistic" western media.
This is also true for japanese-made games like Final Fantasy, or Kingdom Hearts, Resident Evil and whatnot where nothing makes any sense at all from the moment you go in to the moment you finish the game.
I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying it changes the mood and the tone of the experience.
If I go and see the "Indian Terminator" movie I'm not expecting any of it to make any sense and the enjoyment is mostly about the crazy stuff they do, not about the feelings or the difficult choices of the characters, or the historical period it is set in, nor anything else.
It's as if Uncle Rico was a sword fighter instead of a quarterback. Someone get these guys a time machine!
Pretty nice. I'd be curious to see what you'd do for some Star Wars style dancy movesets with all the spins, flurish, jumps and all that kind of stuff, for a realistic moveset. Hoping wording it like that makes sense.
PS: I do not support furry hate.
Don't got time to watch currently but did want to say that in The Witcher 3 the normal npc guards have more realistic combat animations. Something about the devs wanted Witcher combat to look like a dance...or if you max out on potions a killer beyblade
The Witcher 1 animations were also motion captured with sword experts. So yeah Witcher always had some better animations. The pirouettes are a bit unrealistic but that's how he's supposed to fight in the books and he has faster reactions so probably could do that safely. And he can use them to dodge around swinging claws and tentacles, since he's not trained to fight humans with swords but monsters after all.
One thing I also very much appreciated in Witcher 3 was that you actually have a ton of gambeson armor. Something most games neglect also.
Cool fact, in Elden ring if you double hand certain great swords they gain a similar light attack move-set demonstrated at around 8:20. Also would love to see implementation of some of these moves in the game, such as the dual wielding shown in the first video. Even though I do enjoy a few of the powerstanced animations in Elden Ring some of them could do with small changes.
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Shad, you're an awesome guy! Glad I found your channel man, I hope life has been treating you well.
The thing is, even from a total novice point of view, those moves look much more precise, skilled, and without losing the cool factor.
I wouldn't say they look look. Half of them look like very deliberate love-taps with no telegraphing.
I'd really love to see you and the knight's watch play Kingdom Come: Deliverance and give a review on how they do swordplay.
Watching these makes me imagine button combos to perform specific attack animations, square square triangle for a slash slash stab or square square square triangle triangle. Just thinking of a game having deep combat like that would be awesome
Fanatastic to see such a range of repsonses to this challange and love that one guy had no swordsmanship training and was still able to add to the experince by watching videos and esstentially adding flash/telegraphs that still looked natural.
I hope to see this resource grow and prehaps actually make it in at the mid to high game stuidos and maybe even some of the quicker combos in smaller stuidos.
But i have to say they did look good, better than most game animations i see and fanatasy rpg is one of my main types of game and already a strong varitiy of weapons.
I have some fight scenes with a small child-like character weilding something nearly twice her size, she has the strength and stamina to do it, but her combat is based around keeping and building on the moment, she even has some scenes where she embeds the sword into the ground to fling herself over it with a kick of some sort.
This whole thing reminds me of some time ago, I was reading a game news article. I think it was actually Playstation's own news source. It was an interview with Sucker Punch Productions about the animations and combat of Ghost of Tsushima. They actually talked about how realistic moves would have been too fast to counter for most players, so they talked about the actual balance of realism vs gameplay. They're first solution was to slow down the first attack, but let the follow up come at a much higher speed. It was a very interesting insight to a developer actually trying to be realistic as opposed to just going pure anime-styled with a game about samurai. There's also a very large number of reaction videos from Japanese swordsmen approving the combat visuals and style in Ghost of Tsushima, so Sucker Punch really did they're research for it. Can I say it's 100% realistic? Probably not, but GoT certainly puts in a lot of effort into showing more realism than other games.
This is the sort of mentaility or opinion I've been developing with time. The developers would have to compromise: Put semi-realistic animations that properly convey the skill of the user while satisfying the needs of the gameplay. My guess is that such a thing is not as easy as one may think.
For me the type of world of GoT is easier to implement realistic combat on the other hand I think Sekiro's armor system is much better than GoT in fact the use of spear and ax in Sekiro complicates you more than in GoT because the spear guys are easy to tank with a low range Sword.
I am so surprised that my VR reference got on this. I'm the furry from the middle section of the video. I'm having trouble getting into that channel because I left it alone for months, but I had to leave some kind of comment.
I don't feel like I came off very well compared to the other people you picked, and I hope Oz doesn't genuinely feel that way. I'm a big fan and longtime viewer. This was awesome to see. Hema is really becoming popular in VR roleplay.
Hey Shad! Thanks for the small shout-out! You're a huge inspiration. I hope you get around to critiquing my LOTR: Two Towers video I did on the combat and tactical flaws in the film. It'd be a great topic to cover on your channel, and hoping its to mutual benefit. It even included Professor Tosspot as a guest. All the Best! Cheers!
One thing about the difficulty of having historically accurate animations is the context of the situaton. Would you swing a greatsword the exact same way at a human versus a giant? I agree some animations are extremely over the top, but context is key. If its a game made to be a medieval sim i expect it to be realistic, when i'm fighting dragons and demigods im not very concerned that my character is putting ALL OF HIS effort into attacking
A major issue with the Souls games is that after each and every attack, your character leaves themselves wide open.
@@Echo_419 I mean tbf it wouldn't matter if you have your sword in a guard position against a troll/giant or a dragon but it's a fair point
Maybe, but the thing is: Most enemies are not actually giants. And as long as you cannot just swap your moveset to be appropriate for whatever you are fighting, it would be better to stick with what is safe against a smaller opponent because otherwise you won't even reach the giant before getting shanked.
Besides, it's not like absurdly telegraphing and massively overswinging my attacks is going to make my strikes more powerful, it just makes them less controlled and more predicable.
@@darthplagueis13 most enemies are humanoids who swing extremely slow with no technique whatsoever (hollows) or are not human and are creatures much larger than you
If enemies don't oversell there swinging, it might be hard to tell if they even attacked you in the first place which would be a problem in a game where you die in 2 hits so realistic animation in a souls game is probably a horrible idea
Great work Shad
would be fun to see these forms also adapted against unconventionally shaped opponents.. dragons, large creatures and such... I would reckon they would have to change at least a little bit.
Very cool! Also, very cool to see an actual game studio put together some preliminary sketches for animations based off these videos already. Let's hope more follow suit soon.
i think Doom Eternal needs more historically accurate animations because trying to focus on not getting 1shotted in Ultra Nightmare just doesn't immerse me enough
I've been looking forward to this
Please do some more research on game animations, especially frame data, before going further into this topic because it's clear you don't know about a huge chunk of important aspects of animations in fighting games. Look up "Universal Fighting Game Guide: How to Read Frame Data".
Even if you change animation speed in order to have better frame data, the main point remains: having the animations more based in realistic, skilled movements would look far better than the more unrealistic movements usually seen in games like Elden Ring. For a good example of this, look at the Japanese sword animations in Elden Ring: good frame data, very realistic movements. We basically want that for all of the other weapons in the game. You are correct in that frame data does need to be considered, but the two aren't mutually exclusive.
@@Alpha_Synergy I don't think it's possible to get realism, balance, and the "flavour" of a fighting game all perfectly lined up. Some parts of these games are exaggerated specifically to make them unrealistic. Some may be more realistic because they were used to set the baseline. But the main point still remains, Shad doesn't mention anything remotely related to frame data, which means he doesn't know half of what goes into designing animations for fighting games, and it might arguably be the most important half too. While his experience with HEMA makes him qualified to comment on the realism (on which he is absolutely correct, most of these animations are not realistic), not even knowing about frame data makes him severely unqualified to point at realistic animations and just go "these are better".
@@sitnamkrad I'm not going to comment much on "flavor," as that seems more objective and subject to taste. As for realism and balance, you absolutely can obtain those with good frame data. Again, look at the katana and other Japanese weapon animation sets in Elden Ring: they are very balanced, and have very realistic animation sets. You can have decent windup, hit, and recovery timings with realistic movements by having the movements start by assuming a guard stance, attack from there, then following through either into another guard position or into a position to continue a combo. If you need to adjust the speed of an animation to give better frame data, that's easy; what Shad and all of the other people making these videos are trying to encourage is having those base animations still feel rooted in reality.
Now, you do have a point in that not every game needs to go to the effort to make more realistic animations; and for something not rooted in reality such as an anime game or similar exaggerated games, unrealistic animations are just fine. For games that are more rooted in reality, such as the Souls series, Shad is arguing that more realistic animations rooted in historical martial arts that are known to be connected to the historical weapons used in the games would help immersion. This goes into that subjective area I didn't want to go near, and if you don't care for realistic animations that's fine; many others in this community disagree.
You are also correct in that Shad never mentioned frame data and could probably benefit from learning about it. However, he did go over the basics of attack animations (windup, hit, and recovery) a lot, more so in his original video on this subject. Going into exact frame data would not add much to the discussion, as it would have to be tweaked for every single weapon and animation set and would not be of interest to most of his audience. He may mention it in later videos, but for this video, meant as inspiration and reference for animators to improve realism in weapon animations, it would not be very relevant.
@@Alpha_Synergy A little bit about the katana, because I think there is a specific reason why this feels more realistic compared to the others. Elden Ring and other Souls games are very much about commitment in their combat. When you make an attack, you commit to it, windup, active and recovery frames, the whole package. When you attack, dealing damage is the top priority. The katana and many of its fighting styles follow this same mentality and evolved to support it. You actually see this mentality in other parts of Japanese warfare too with kamikaze as the most extreme example. In HEMA, there is a much larger focus on the defensive aspects of combat. So European weapons and styles were designed to put a larger priority on defence and recovery. So at least for the souls games, the European weapons and fighting styles do not share the same mentality as the combat in the game, while the Japanese weapons and styles do. So when converting the weapons and styles into a different mentality, some things get lots in translation.
@@sitnamkrad I agree; the historical Japanese styles do lend themselves better to an RPG designed by Japanese developers. I also agree that a good bit of what makes HEMA different is lost in the translation to the Souls combat system. I, and the people making these videos, believe the movesets could do a better job of looking the part, even if it's purely visual. For another example of this, look at the two movesets for European style greatswords in Elden Ring, one being the standard moveset seen with the Zweihander, and the newer greaatsword whose name I don't know off the top of my head. One uses massive swings that put the wielder massively off balance, even when two handing; the other keeps itself balanced, while having nearly identical damage potential and similar frame data. One exaggerates the movement, the other still reads just as easily while looking like something you might see a knight in history do.
Something like the Souls games may not be ideal for the proper movements of HEMA; and while some games have made efforts to match it, those games are also focusing on very different things with their gameplay. However, we can keep the same ideas of commit, windup, active frames and recovery, but instead of having a longsword swung like a baseball bat, have it flow more like a longsword should- for example: start in wrath, move to a high guard with the sword behind the head for the windup, cut down for the active frames, and move into a low guard for recovery, allowing for follow up with an upwards cut if continuing the attack or return to wrath if not continuing the combo.
A lot of the issues for the Souls games specifically comes from legacy movesets, created back when they really didn't need to care, with a lot of the newer weapons having more realistic movesets (scimitars, most Japanese weapons, etc). Things like the dragons tooth are fine with their exaggerated movements, but make less sense with something like a claymore. Personally, I wouldn't mind so much if all of the movesets weren't realistic; it's the inconsistency that bothers me and many others. They have shown they can and will make good, realistic movesets while keeping their mentality of commitment in mind; we ask that they do the same for the European weapons as well.
As for other games, if it doesn't hurt the artistic vision of the game, it would be nice to see realistic movements. I don't expect something like Metal Gear Rising: Revengence to hold itself to our reality; I wouldn't mind seeing the Elder Scrolls, which are heavily inspired by European and other such places histories, have more realistic movements in line with their semi-grounded high fantasy. Essentially, the less I need to suspend my disbelief for the stuff that is meant to look real, the more I can accept the fantastic. If there is a clear break from our laws of nature, I can accept it. If they want to try holding to our laws of nature, it would be nice to see trained warriors follow the paths laid out by history on what works and what doesn't, even if only visually.
i think with games like the player character needs to swing that wildly in order to actually hit something. especially games with multiple enemies or no lock on camera mechanic. we all know how hard it is to hit something sometimes. we've all missed attacks. but you c o u l d make a duelling game with all the proper animations and just be fighting one opponent.
Considering that there are historical move sets that have sweeping attacks I have to disagree. It is just that the devs would have to choose the correct movesets for their game.
@@adambielen8996 oh yeah. x3 i forgot all about those.
What I love about this is you dont have to be a sword master to demonstrate where some of the animations in elden rings weapons could be improved, and kudos to those who showed that here. This was a great thing.
I love this #medievalcombatreference give the devs easy references for research to improve medieval animation.
"Historical combat would be too fast" is fudd folklore superstition.
I do HEMA, film choreography, make games and do film and cinema.
If there is one thing I wish people understood more, it's that the modern over-telegraphed style was designed for *24 frames a second (standard) film.* Video games run three to six times the frame-rate.
This is _massively_ relevant, and is a fundamental of refining the 12 pillars of animation.
Attacks can be much faster and still discernible to the viewer in our modern frame-rate, especially with proper motion blue or even stylized contrails.
Edit: I'm also a furry, so frick you Oz. :P
I feel like many choreographers and viewers have started believing the "thick skin" some anime and movie characters have, therefore you need a lot of power to stab through that steellike skin.
In fairness, in many games (like Elden Ring) you often fight enemies many times your own size with natural armor, etc. A typical sword slash would probably look a bit weird in that context.. Even if I don't disagree overall (better would be having a stance for human sized enemies, and a "power" stance where you get a built in 'monster armor penetration' to promote using it against those type of enemies.
@@ExileTwilight but in Sekiro , the wolf is an AMAZING swordsman with the katana and he uses (for the most part) realistic movesets... and it feels delicious even tho sometimes he is figthing giant ogres or armored soldiers.
@@Dan_Kanerva Haven't played or seen Sekiro, does he uses a single primary weapon or does he have a selection of different types of weapons to use?
Budget constraints are also a reason for the type of animations. It may be me, but I feel like I've seen in Elden Ring animations from previous Souls games, so if it works, don't break it.
@@Dan_Kanerva when it comes to sekiros animations the only one I hate is the spin reverse grip horizontal slash, I'm pretty sure it's the third in the combo
@@Inferryu He uses mostly a katana, but the enemies have their own weapons as well. The enemies in elden Ring have decent animations. I'll have to double check for that.
Anyway, in terms of complex combat, it far surpasses Elden Ring. Elden Ring far surpasses Sekiro in diverse weapon selection, but they didn't actually sacrifice animation quality for weapon diversity. They sacrificed complexity. They still made really good animations for a few of the weapons. I think the biggest issue is probably with research, and reference. You will not find any reference on scythe, or dual wielding colossal weapons in combat.
Having a lack of reference, or not knowing where to look makes it difficult. 23:38 is the perfect example of how much having a reference helps. Guy made a decent looking combo with minimal research. The hardest part might just be getting that research rather then incorporating it itself.
Though the people from Elden Ring will never find reference for like a forth of their weapon animations. Dual scythes looks ridiculous as hell, and I mean, how do you even begin to research that?
a couple things i would like to say
1 in souls game, its rare to hit the enemy more then 3 times.
2 having different animation is cool an all... but it would need different hitboxes, hurtboxes and other things, which makes a weapon need more time to make and in turn will lower the amount of weapons in the game. Side note: Somewhat reminds me of a game called FOR HONOR. a Fighting game would fit better with more animations then souls game, no?
as technology progresses and games are taken as a superior form of media... we can demand MORE from developers.
If GTA San Andreas could come with excellent concepts in 2004 , why not games today ?
While your points are true I find them to be a bit overstated. FromSoftware has most of its weapons at 5 moves and many if not all reward you for getting that last hit in the chain. Just because in most situations you won't get to use them doesn't mean they shouldn't exist. And FromSoftware also puts plenty of different animations in, to the point that some weapons have unique or very rare animations, so this point is only a limiter if the devs want it to be.
@@adambielen8996 And money. There's only so much Devs can accomplish with finite time and funds.
@@Shadeius No, but I'm not asking for every possible combination of attacks. I merely pointed out that FromSoftware already put in the level of work that the OP said wasn't appropriate for a Soulsbourne game, so their argument doesn't hold much water.
Not only that but having nice animations doesn't necessarily translate to being mechanically superior, there is a reason why everyone uses the Claymore over the Banished knight sword in PvP and its simply that its functionally better (fun fact those "guard" animations on the banished prevent you from doing a storm-stomp combo).
A lot of it is just aesthetics. The average laymen would not appreciate historical accuracy in weaponplay because they aren't aware of it. Tropes are based on common (Mis)conceptions. If an attack is fast, it's because it's weak. If it's slow, it's powerful. Because it takes time to focus your energy into a powerful exertion. Right? Right? For the same reason, powerful attacks have huge wind-ups and huge lag afterwards, because only an unskilled savage would focus on power, right? Right? There absolutely is a place for historically accurate animations, but most media is aimed at the largest possible target audience. Most people wouldn't know their arse from their elbow in regards to historical accuracy 😅
Something that game developers and film makers can take note of is that the shield (and buckler) is there the shield. It does not disappear behind the body when you swing your sword!
Shad defending the furries from Oz...What a man of peace.
I'm making a souls like combat system, and here are some restrictions we've met in terms of game animation logics vs. real world attack combos.
1. In souls-like system, every weapon actually has two combo sets, one is "light attacks" and the other is "heavy attacks", but if you look into them carefully you'll see that the "light attacks" normally are horizontal strikes or X-cross slashes without stabs or overhead slashes. Then the "heavy attacks" normally are stabs and overhead strikes. (for spears or other thrust based weapons, this rule is inverted). So the combos actually are designed separately, but they should be able to connect to each other fluently.
For example: We designed the arming sword light attacks as a 2-strikes combo which basically is a X-cross combo, and the heavy attacks combo is a thrust followed by an overhead slash.
Now I use my arming sword to "light" attack once (the animation is a slash from upper-right to lower-left) then if I press light attack again, I should follow the second slash from upper-left to lower-right, but if I press the heavy attack button, I should follow up the second heavy attack which is an overhead slash.
Is it possible for you give advices on how to design these separared combos (horizontal and vertical) while keeping them interchangable?
2. Normally medieval martial arts are aimed to fight human, so the strikes usually aim to the height of a human's head or chest. But in games like dark souls or my game, the player often need to fight some very tall or very short enemies. This will require every attack animation has a higher aiming and a lower aiming variation, is it possible for you guys to include these variation moves for the combo moves?
Great timing Chad!
I just think it's much more effective to put more refined techniques in strategy games than in action combat. Why be able to make believable animations but having to make armor realistically behave like functional shields a lot of complexity would have to be planned and let's couple that with the variety of weapons and techniques we have with them,of course with characters without armor it is easier to implement, but it gets weird if you don't give a decent justification for not having this protection in the universe finally in my view Sekiro implemented very well fun mechanics with a combat that has more "logic" compared to others here the only Full Plate knight you find is impenetrable while the others have more openings to stab after you break guard.
😯😲😮😱🤩 Great job !! I can't wait to play this game, whatever it is !!
11:13 Oh god yes! The 70's one. I watched that maybe 800 times lol
The Spear and Shield is so underrated. People generally think that it is only capable of a stab and a slam block but it is capable of so much more.
If they used overhead thrusts for attacks would be a great way to get over shields and to fight cavalry.
Use an underhand for general fighting, or even dig the spear’s butt into the ground for a cavalry or charge brace and then counter with a large upthrust or move your hand underneath for a huge wind-up throw.
And then there is so much the shield can do as well. You can do the classic “shield-parry” of course, but pulling the spear back and placing a large round-shield on the whole arm for a huge brace then bring it forward for a bash. Use it to grapple an opponent’s weapon for a headbutt (or if you have a shortspear a quick smack)
And then Kite Shields/Roman Tower Shields you can do a running braced charge. Slam it against the ground to taunt the enemy to slash or stab at the head then bring it up to parry the weapon and stab underneath the shield.
I just love the spear and shield combo so much and I hate to see it get the classic “stab only” treatment when stabbing has so many options of how to engage and keep distance.
Bethesda should bring you guys in to work on the Elder Scrolls VI. Not that I think it will ever come out.
Bethesda can die in a fire. Garbage company.
O mighty ones! Lord Shad has called, and you have answered! You have risen your blades, shown your skills and more will follow. I bow to you, O Mighty Ones! O Brave Ones who will follow, hone your blades, and display your skills. For those who watch, are those who wish to learn.
(sorry if this sounds goofy but i thought it was appropriate)
My only qualm with some of these is that in games, many times you face enemies low to the ground. Horizontal strikes at head level would be incredibly frustrating to deal with as a player cause the rat continues to kick your ass
I think you should do a video on overly-exaggerated fantasy weapons. Like the giant swords or the giant bows, and explain how they can still be viable even when they are inevitably going to be slower than the other weapons, while of course showing the follow up attacks and combos you’d end up doi g with them.
I think the idea of extending the time between moves is great. And as a game play perspective just have it speed up as you level up the skill.
I like that one who brings a cat. Imagine a scenario where you save a baby during an invasion so you have to fight through the enemies while carrying that baby into safety point. We actually have that scenario in 3 Kingdoms where Zhao Yun rescued a baby in the battle of ChangBan.
And instead of baby it could also be anything that in a heat of battle you had to grab/steal/whatever and you do not have time to put it in your backpack.
One thing I find interesting. I got back into Gothic 3, and they managed to put in combat where what side the weapon is matters and changes the attack. Now a lot of it is still wrong. Such as the quick slashes with the sword putting the shield behind you, but I would love to see this kind of thing make a comeback.
I absolutely love this video - but one of the background music tracks (circa 5:23) is a song I hear at work for like 8 hours straight five times a week and now my brain is on fire.
A slight issue I would have with the stab and cut across at 6:34 is that those blows are very high. Usefull when fighting people, but not giant rats or imps or other fantasy creatures that are shorter or crawl. Plenty of games ignore that. But I think you should have most move be at hip height or lower. So you would still hit small enemies at their head height.
Yeah it seems to be a theme in this video that most cuts would not hit a giant rat in elden ring so the hitboxes would need to be warped which should never be the case
As a new solo game developer, thank you for these Shad!!
What 3D engine is the best for solo developer to date?
@@Joshua_N-A Edit: SORRY FOR THE NOVEL, HOPE THIS HELPS.
Engines like Unity and Unreal 5 have their own unique perks to themselves.
These are the two I have experienced and worked/dabbled in so far.
In terms of production of a game, Unreal can be very very nice for people who aren't used to coding or through its module coding system. The coding nodes are VERY interesting and can be a great doorway to new developers learning/looking at coding in a newish way. This is something built in right away with UE, whereas in Unity it would be a separate download, I've not used the unity version so I can't say how good It is I imagine it works similarly.
That all being said, I have started and worked most with Unity as I wanted to learn the basics of C# programming and that is the coding language Unity uses. I think unity is great as an engine if you're just starting out as it will inevitably push you down the route of learning code. One thing I have learned in my time learning code is that there are so many ways to reach the same outcome for your game. It's just deciding what road you want to take to get there.
I dont necessarily think there is a "best" engine I think it just depends on your comfort level of where do you want to start and what kind of game do you want to make. The biggest thing I'll say though is, no matter what you pick there will be a learning curve to it. There will be days when you get stuck and feel flustered, but trust me there are ways to fix/get out of sticky situations like those when designing a game!
Also if you plan on doing any coding at all, I recommend no matter what engine you use, download Visual Studio(the free one you dont need the paid version) as this will make your life SO much easier when it comes down to writing code. I would also recommend downloading it just as a way to practice coding and getting used to it :) hope this helps.
Just a quick note on an unrelated topic. Just wanted to thank you again for your vid on the Kamikoto knives! Now, if I want a hand-forged, high-quality, well-nigh indestructible knife, I'll go to a Medieval or Ren-faire and have a weapon smith make me one. Keep up the good work, mi'laird!
This guy is just amazing at swinging that sword.
I think a big part of the overdone animations (especislly in Elden Ring) is, that its a little better to recognize from a third person view. Oke, swing is over now i am able to dodge/block.
I can play Elden Ring woth no sound and still get the timing, only by paying attention to the visuals.
I could imagine that some thrust from greatswords, with an realistic moveset would be hard to recognize.
Furthermore i think, that the damage type (standard/pierce/strike/slash) ties vastly into the moveset.
A standard weapon will never have a thrusting attack (except it is stated clearly bay the weapon, with standard/pierce), since thrusts are reserved for weapons with piercing damage or dual damage type weapons.
That's really the thing with a lot of game animation, it can't be too realistic because you need to be able to react and dodge it, it would be very unfair to have a game with very subtle realistic attacks, they don't try to give themselves and end up dying to it, unless your willing to design your whole game around it like Kingdom Come Deliverance, it's a bad idea to be too realistic
9:15 he reminds me so much of "Boba Fett the Thief" fron that french DnD skit. Even the pose.
Oh my god this is my big pet peeve in many games. I haven't practiced anything in decades, but I know sloppy basics when I see them.