I have a laying worker.... Now what?
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Good plan-- go several yards away from their location, shake all the bees off the frames into the grass. The flyers will return to their hive location, the layers will be stuck in the grass. At this stage, there probably are no nurse bees. I would have gotten a vital queen that is ready to lay eggs on a comb, placed her under a 6X6 wire mesh cage that is pressed into the comb. The bees should care for her and accept her after about 3 days. The cage needs to be removed so the workers can feed the hatching eggs. The new queen, having been (hopefully) accepted, will result in a thriving colony when the brood emerges, more brood is present, pollen is being brought in and nectar. One doesn't often see a laying worker colony, but dealing with one in the proper manner makes for a happy hive. If a beekeeper has several hives, it might be a good idea to keep a couple or three five frame nuc boxes going with a good vital queen that can be used to re- queen a poorly preforming or laying worker colony. One just never knows-- nucs can be a bit of an insurance policy in the bee yard. Good luck, bee people. Bob in Montana
I've had good luck with taking a queenless/laying worker hive and stacking it on a queen-right hive. Simply place a propolis trap between the boxes for a few hours and then remove the trap. The laying workers can not pass through the propolis trap but will pick up the scent of the queen and go back to normal. After a few weeks, you can do a split if desired.
Good idea
I love all the quail calls in the background !
BOB WHITE
Got 2 wheel barrels for a works stand.> SAVES THE BACK! pretty nice> if the Queen does crawl out, i can easy spot her and not step on her. I made tool boxes on the handles ,coffee can set my smoker in. Got all my bee tools in it too Makes it even more nice> Easy haul boxes Honey and thing to an from the bee yard> TRY IT You'll like it CHEERS
I really loved the video. My favorite part though, was hearing that bob white in the background. We used to have plenty of quail here in northeast Georgia but not since I was a kid. I sure miss hearing that sound.
I was going to comment the same thing. Here in the south metro Atlanta area we used to hear them but that was many years ago!
that was a great demonstration - I have the same problem. Thanks, very helpful.
Thank you. Hope is helps
Darrell Thanks for the tip. I struggled earlier this year with a package queen failure. I did not realize soon enough what 2 eggs in a cell meant. I tried twice to put fresh eggs in but no luck. Now I realize based on your video that the laying worker or poorly mated queen kept the eggs from going to full term.
I will try your tip next time.
Thanks
Best Regards
Kim
Thank you. Hope it works out for you next time
That what i do is let them requeen them selves. Long as it not Oct or later, if so i would have to combine hives
Within 1 week of installing a package I had a laying worker. I had to buy a new queen. I saw the new queen 5 days after I installed her. Didnt check for eggs as I have a top bar hive and new comb weak.
You put grass in your smoker! I'll bet you had some mellow bees with that, far out.
Your system does work. I like to add a frame of open brood for 3 weeks. This keep all the old bees together.
Sounds great!
Your sentiments about bee brushes I couldn't agree with more! The top 3 times I've been attacked by bees, two of those involved bee brushes.
Ya their not a fan
"a big ol pile a bees on the ground" is now my favourite quote
+Seth Hammer that's right
I saw one guy who uses a feather as a brush...a large feather. Bees dont get as pissed of with its texture. Also I have been watching Hopes channel. I subscribed and liked becuase she has so much wisdom. Continue your strong support to her and us through your channels. Both are vastly needed.
Thank you for watching her channel. I think it helps her to put those videos out. Feather would also work.
Man it's my pleasure! I showed Hopes channel to my wife as well. We had a miscarriage over 20 years ago. Unfortunately my wife doesn't want to revisit the subject.
You guys seem like the type of family I'd love to be around. Take care Brother. 2 Cor 1:3-4!!! We all have a purpose.
I'm trying to watch as many of your and her videos today as possible. One day I will have my hives and a piece of land where I can manage them. Right now I have a neighbor with a pool and I'm afraid the bees will take it over.
great vid, definitely going to try the extra palm tap when shaking frames of one of my laying worker splits
+A. Goldsby laying workers are a pain
thanks so much....always learn from you.. I have couple of queen less hives and they are mean....tons of drones so probably laying worker....Didnt see any brood at alll. I need to re queen. This video really helps me.
+natserog glad it helps
what is funny is a guy that has been doing bees for a long time said the shaking thing that all the bees will come back to original hive location and they will kill the new queen.....so Im thinking of shaking off all frames with bees in front of other good hives and just giving resources to other stronger colonies. i will remove the box completely from laying worker hive location.....
+natserog some people think that this does not work but it does for me
and thats what matters! thanks!
Great video! We all have had to deal with the "laying worker." I have added a frame or two of brood from another colony which I think buys me several weeks, and then add a queen cell or re-queen. Sometimes they will start a queen cell from the frame of brood but not always. I'm sure your way is just as good or even better than mine, but my way way is just easier. Old men like me are not as energetic as you "young buckaroos."
I wish you well, LP
+Larry Peterson thank you. Hope al is well with you
I understand that it’s never just one laying worker but many even hundreds. Ad as it takes 3 weeks or so for their ovaries to change to allow them to produce eggs....it takes the same sort of time for them to change back. And its something in wet brood that causes them to revert.
Bees humming. Quail singing. Man U gotta great spot
+Trump supporter yep
Thanks for posting. I enjoyed the video, thanks for the information. New to this, but interested. I've watched a lot videos on beekeeping, but you're not afraid of being stung. Have a friend like that.
+Dana Nelson most honey bees are not aggressive. Thank you I am glad you enjoyed the video. If you have any questions let me know
That Bobwhite is so loud! :)
I hear the bobwhite there
+Greg Carder yep
perfect
this is something I have wanted to do for along time but whenever I start to move on it I get freaked out. I just can't do it...
I have the same problem in one of my hives. My question is what do you do with the frames that you do not put back in the box..mine are drawn out and are full of nectar and some pollen
Some freeze them and then store them in a very tight space so the wax moths can’t get to them. I have not had good luck with storing frames
What do you think of joining the colony to another one using the newspaper separation method?
+Susan Mitchell you could but you have to get the laying workers out of there or they could kill the queen in the box you add them too. That's what I seen and been told.
What the dfishman says is correct-- shake off all bees into grass or weeds. Place newspaper between the two boxes with the stronger queen right colony on top. The flyers from the worker colony will return to their location and chew through the paper, intermingling slowly with the good colony and be accepted. Very rarely will this not work for combining bee colonies. Spray a bit of sugar water onto the paper too. The bees on top will be surprised when they meet their new sisters and shouldn't fight. The laying worker bunch will be happy they have a good new momma.⁵
Did this work to get the hive back queenright
I have a question. Forgive me if it sounds ignorant, I know very little about bees--The laying worker, can she fly? Why don't you think she'll make it back to the hive?
+Christine DuBose some say she can some say she can't. I don't think she can but I am not 100% on that
Christine DuBose They can. I've lost two queens because of returning laying workers. First thing they do when they enter another hive is to kill the queen. If you are going to shake them, shake them so far away that it's impossible for them to find their way back to the apiary. They always return to the hive that is next to the place where laying worker hive was.
If you are dumping the bees and putting the queen in there without a cage the returning bees will kill her... I have never had a queen killed in introduced correctly
New subscriber and I am learning from your vids. How do you keep the grass down around your hives. Do they chase you a mower or weed eater?
A little bit of everything. Thanks for watching and subscribing
Really interesting. I still don't understand though, why the laying worker won't come back, but the other bees will?
Some say they can’t fly. Other say they can. This has always worked for me and others say it’s a waste of time...
@@dfishman76 Thanks for replying, would be interesting to know for sure :-) That's an experiment for the future maybe.
Great vid, thank you. Question...what makes workers start laying, and why do they do it instead of just making a new queen?
+357lockdown normally happens after there are no eggs young enough to make queen cells. The have to be around 3-5 days old.
There has to be viable fertile worker eggs to make a new queen. If there are no worker eggs, there will be no possibility of a future queen. The laying workers will only be able to produce under sized drones, which only result in a dying colony. If neglected for too long, it's best to shake of all the bees and combine the flyers with a strong colony or a good nuc colony in a full sized box. Cheers, Bob
Dfishman76 So are you saying if I wanted to requeen to put the queen in the hive after you shake immediately or let them come back for a day then introduce her? Any additional info would be greatly appreciated. Also, just a note my hive is a very strong hive (Meaning a lot of bees are in this hive.)
When dealing with a laying worker I shake out all the bees I can and give it a few days to see if I have any more eggs later by the worker. That’s not to say you could not introduce a caged queen into the hive after you shake the Bees out. Many different ways and options to do this.
Hello:
How come the laying worker will not go back to the hive?
the laying bee will be heavy because she got eggs,
I hear a quail, a male quail.
how often do u check your hives lad loves the show
+adrian mcdaid depends on the time of year. Need to check them every 2-3 weeks in the spring.
Hi Darrell, great video. I'm a new beekeeper and I suit up but I'd rather not. I'm curious, did you get stung during that video?
+lronknlght got stung one time during this one. If you keep bees you will get stung
+dfishman76 yeah I've been stung a few times, doesn't bother me on the day but 2 days later it swells a little and gets itchy, nothing too bad, but I wouldn't want loads in one go :-). impressive you only got one sting, shaking all those bees....I'll work up to suit free keeping.
+lronknlght most I have been stung at one time was a swarm of honey bees. Bet it was in the 40-50 time range. Hands where very swollen and the side of my face. That was not a fun day.
hi mate quick question as my hive has a laying worker as well.. are they able to lay a queen at all or only drones? thanks corie
+Beaver Rock BeeKeeper they only lay non fertilized eggs (drones) so no way to make. Queen from them
So why do use straps? I've seen rocks & bricks....
+Donald Jones 2 reasons most of the hives you see with straps are used in pollinating of crops. Being a small time beekeeper I have to move them one at a time and by hand. The straps hold the hives together for easier transport. Second reason is it holds the hives together incase of strong winds/storms. I have had a few hives blow over because of wind/storms and if they are strapped together the hives do not come apart. I have extra straps so I figured I would use them instead of rocks. I do have a few hives with rocks on top of them but they are hives I don't move and they are protected from the wind. Good question
Please help. Top box, deep, no queen excluder, has only honey. Bottom box has drone brood galore, with some honey but no regular worker brood, eggs, or larva. Started pulling frames and found the marked queen right where you would expect, about three or four frames in, walking around as if nothing was wrong!! Any ideas?
Has the queen been laying? Queen could be bad or damage. Sounds like she needs to be replaced but cont really say for sure
@@dfishman76 The Queen was a installed for a failed walk away split. She started laying beautiful patterns for about a month. Then, abruptly stopped laying worker brood. On another site somene says she might be a drone laying queen. Can they turn on a dime like that?
Jason Emery if she did not get matted very well that could be the case
where do you live? i havent heard a quail since the coyotes arrived in Tennessee
North Carolina. Just east of Fayetteville
thats just wild. obviously you have coyotes too being so close. Its been at least 30 yrs since i heard a quail around here. And i live in an area that should have them. open fields and such
I had a hive with a drone laying worker. I put a newer empty queen cage on top of their deep and they attacked it. So I did this:
1. Closed hive entrances
2. Took a frame of capped brood, foragers and nurse bees from a strong hive .
3. Put it in the drone layer hive and closed top. I heard a squeak. I knew they killed her.
4. Moved 3 miles away
5. Let sit for a hour than opened both entrances.
6. Requeened after 72 hours.
No problem! Is anyone else doing it the way I described. Works great. Remember to take almost all the honey frames out or they get torn apart. Replace with comb and feeder after 72 hours.
So did you keep all the other bees in there? Also what happened after you requeened. Did they accept her?
Normally you want have a problem with acceptance you will just want to leave the queen in a cage for a few days just like you would any other time
Why wouldn't the laying worker make it back? Can't it fly like the others?
+Robert Riester some think they can't fly other think they can.
i Kinda missed the indicators of a "laying worker". Heard the point about lots of drone.... Is that it? I'm not great at spotting the queen so is there any other things youd look for?
Multiple eggs in a cell. Or eggs on side wall of cells. Number 1 indicator
@@notafuckinpplperson8233 Thanks heaps for sharing! Very useful information
How common is it that the laying worker would make it back to the original hive? How far away should the two boxes be from each other? I think I have my first laying worker and am hoping to save the hive if possible.
Further away is better. Some people say they can fly back but I am not sure on that. This has always worked out for me
Thanks. I just shook everything out yesterday. We'll see what happens!
How’s it going ?
Well...it was pretty crazy. A lot of what I shook out landed on a pine tree in my yard and they started to really cluster together. We started just looking through them trying to decide why they were just hanging out there and right in the middle of them was a queen. We were able to catch and mark her and put her back in the hive. I don't know how that happened, I didn't see any eggs, larva or capped brood, just drone brood. The more I think I'm learning about my bees the less I feel like I know. Did I just shake the heck out of my bees for nothing? I just put the queen in the hive and closed it up. How long should I wait before checking to see if she's still in there and laying?
Check it in a few days. Some times the queen just stops laying for a few days/week. I have had it happen before
Negative- that's not how you treat laying workers. I would go ahead and shake them, but move the hive and distribute the combs throughout the apiary. These laying worker hives will kill queens and queen cells. The best thing to do is to break up the hive and exchange the combs with various combs of brood and bees from other hives. Then move the laying worker hive to a new stand and add a queen to what is there (which is now eight or ten frames of bees and brood from other hives). The reason for the new placement of the hive is that the returning workers from the laying worker hive will all go back to their old stand.
Negative that’s how I “treat” laying workers.... and it workers... like it or not
Darrell I went 2 wks ago and caught a swarm. They all went into the box like the Queen was in there. So I brought them back to the house and just check them the past wknd. I did a complete check on all the frames and no signs of an active Queen. it's a good strong colony but no signs of a Queen I believed I have a worker laying bee as well. But no access to another hive as well to get some brood frames from it. Any suggestions on what I might be able to do?
Only option is to try to find someone that has queens for sale if you don't have a beekeeper in the area you can get a frame of eggs/larva from.
+dfishman76 okay I went check on a hive today that as been abandoned for 2 yrs now. the guy who has the hive knows nothing about honey bee's. all he is wanting is the honey from it. I'm going to try and talk him in on letting me take that hive. To take better care of the bee's. if I'm able to get them my problem will be solved.
+C&A Rabbitry let me know what he says. Good luck
+dfishman76 Well me and that guy work out a deal where I could get a couple of brood frames if I got the honey for him. Well the bee's was bad need of attention like beginning of summer. They was so honey bound it was unreal. All the brood frames was no good. So no brood frames but he did get a lot of honey though. But he is going to let me take better care of the bee's where they are at. So they got a fresh box to go with the one they got.
+C&A Rabbitry so they had not brood at all?
Do u raise quial?
I was at one time. Had over 100 of them
i got one ready to swarm i think.. they look like their bearding but they just sit their with the hands perched . for a minute i thought it was maybe another hive that lost a queen but i also see drones which i didnt see that much of last week. i addes another brood box today and nothing they still come out. i put a nuc next to them with lemon grass oil shaked some bees into it to see if they communicate to the others no to go to far that they found a new spot so to roost in. so now im may just try to locate the queen and and switch some frames out.
+Raul Izquierdo where you located? Do you see any queen cells?
located in orlando fl, swarms usualy in july around here i caught one but they didnt have the numbers to survice was a small swarm possibly one of mine. didnt do a full inspection i did add a med super for honey last month and that got filled up quick. just placed a brook box with drawn out comb x5 frames and empty comb x 5 and monitered their behavior when i put the nuc next them i did see alot of flying to and from back and forth but no decrease in number of bees just hanging on the front wall. i did notice that none of those bees actually go in they literally just sit there all day. this is day 3 so far will get back in there tomorrow they were extremely docile today normally they like to chase me around the yard for about 4 ft.
+Raul Izquierdo sounds like they might just be getting hot so that’s why they are outside of the hive but not sure on that. Check them tomorrow and look for queen cells. That’s a sure sign something is up
looking at the general upkeep of the hives, it looks like a management problem
George Coetzee oook. Hives go queenless all the time....
what happens if a drone mate's with a worker?
+Kidkratos ki not 100% on this but I think the workers don't posses all the inner workings to lay fertilized eggs.
Mmm always a bridesmaid and never a bride...well life is life I guess.
+Kidkratos ki that's right
I don't get it d-man. What's to prevent the laying worker from going back with all the other Bees?
Some say laying workers can’t fly. I am not 100% on that. I know this has worked for me in the past.
Forgot your gloves, veil, and bee suit.
Did not forget them