My Oil Filter Is Stuck On My 2024 Honda Goldwing | Cruiseman's Garage
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- I tried at least four methods to loosen my oil filter. How will this Goldwing drama end?
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My name is Chad. Im the sales manager with DFW Honda, and friends with Roadglide. I wanted to thank you for coming by our shop and giving us the opportunity to work on your bike and earn your business. We hope to see you again in the future! Ride Safe!
What is the part number of the wrench that was used to remove Cruisemans oil filter?
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It’s a Snap On tool.
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It’s a Snap-on tool.
There are filter wrenches available through Snap-on or Matco that are spring loaded to expand over the filter with a three eighths drive hole to insert your three eighths ratchet. The sides expand over the filter and once you begin to loosen the filter the sides collapse inwards to grip the filter
Thank you Chad. You have always been a Pro!
you had the rubber strap wrench on wrong. you needed to turn it over.
Yes, it's like a ratcheting wrench, flip it over one way to tighten and flip the other way to loosen. 😃
Isn't that tool designed for removing the lid off of the peanut butter jar?
The strap wrenches work pretty well if you don't put them on backwards
Combining the filter removal tool with the screwdriver method, all in one, is creatively simple.
There are 2 easy solutions to this problem. Which I know very well. Drill 3 holes in the top of your oil filter wrench. Put the wrench on the filter, put 3 self tapping screws in, securing the wrench to the bottom of the oil filter. 9 out of 10 times the filter will come loose. In real hard cases: open the oil filter (like a can), remove the internals. Now you have access to the top plate of the oil filter. There are 5 or 6 holes in that plate. Make or get a tool that has pins that fit into these holes, as far as I remember these kind of tools are used in the aviation industry, and you will get the filter loose.
Very interesting. I like the option of trying the tool used by the dealer as it affords me the option of getting the bike to the dealer should it not work for me.
I thought that was my original idea! I actually thought about doing that.
Great idea. Ill remember that.
Cruiseman, thank you for choosing our dealership to work on your bike and for sharing the experience with your amazing audience! It was a pleasure to have you with us.
What filter cap did you use?
I have had this issue on Harley. Put a hose clamp around the filter and cut a notch out of the cap wrench. Use your rachet and extension and twist off.
Like you, I bought my first Goldwing in 2006 (put 209K miles on it) then purchased a 2022. Never had a stuck oil filter until the new Goldwing. Here is what I have learned about getting a stuck filter off:
1. Take your non-Honda (e.g. Walmart) oil filter wrench and mix up some 5-minute epoxy, spread inside your crappy oil filter wrench, and hammer the wrench on to the old stuck filter. Wait 24 hours.
2. You can now get your old oil filter off.
3. Go buy the Honda Oil Filter Wrench (~$15.00 in Tacoma, WA).
4. Next time you change your oil, CLEAN the old oil filter to remove the dirt from the outside of the filter
5. Tap the Honda Oil Filter wrench onto the old filter to ensure its fully seated.
6. Never overtighten the new oil filter.
7. I sometimes use a bolt on the Honda Oil Filter wrench to force the old oil filter out if it gets stuck once I get it off the engine.
Cheers
I had the "infamous stuck factory oil filter" on my new 2024. I put some valve grinding compound in the filter cup wrench, worked like a champ!
Jacob (Service Manager 10+ yrs) Mark (Service Tech 20+ yrs), Bart (Parts Dept Manager 20+ yrs) Nick (Operations Manager) and Chad (Sales Mgr), all are very familiar with, and understand the concerns of the Gold Wing owner. As well as numerous other expensive power sports equipment. From time to time I have witnessed this shop has taken in other dealerships unresolved mechanical challenges and even other major brands! Absolute Pro’s. All of them. I know you last were there in 09. Since then, under new ownership in 2016, DFW Honda in Grapevine, Texas has worked to set a customer service standard to exceed customer expectations. Any one traveling through should have absolutely no concerns or reservations about the service they will receive from these professionals. Good folks. So glad you are satisfied Cruise! Thank you for updating us.
Hopefully you charged him double since he drove to Tennessee to buy the bike instead of your dealership. Gracious of you if you didn't.
Take the black filter cup and drill 2 or 3 holes around the perimeter of the cup on the bottom side. Run some 1” self tapping screws through the hole in the cup and into the filter. It will come off. I’ve had to do this a few times
They come from the factory pre stuck, mine sure did. Had to take a screwdriver and hammer to the filter base to loosen it.
Yep, you ain't kidding!
Same with my 2023 CB500X. The dealer did the first service. I did an interim oil change at 4000 miles and had to resort to the screwdriver method too. I can't remember the torque setting now but when I torqued up the new filter I had to tighten it a lot more than I felt comfortable with to get the setting right, so no wonder they're a nightmare to remove.
Great information CM. Thanks for sharing the video.
You absolutely did the right thing….no question. When you put the filter on, you can be responsible for it. Until then, let them deal with it.
I had the same issue on my 2023-very tight. Tried the same Walmart wrench without success, went to the dealer and bought the cover wrench they sold for $10.95 and it worked easy. No need to take it anywhere to get done. Just get the right tool.
Tried the Honda wrench.
Great teaching video!
I used a hose clamp and then a pair of pliers to get it to break the initial seal
I would definitely purchase the oil filter cup wrench it works very good
My Harley oil filter wouldn't come off . My wife had the thin round rubber cap remover like they advertise on tv . I put it over the bottom of the filter then I hammered the oil filter socket on over it. Worked great
That!
Chris, did you post the part number for the filter wrench that the Service Department used? Thanks
Get the OEM Honda Oil Filter Set Part No. 15010-MCE-H51. It's the filter and the wrench, only about 3 bucks more than just the filter. You only have to buy it once. Also fits Honda car filter. Wouldn't have helped you in this situation but is worth having for filters that aren't already screwed up.
As in any striped bolt or rounded out screw. Powered laundry detergent. It's abrasive takes up space. After you remove the filter, switch to a filter with a wrench head as part of the filter.
Interesting, that doesn’t turn soapy with contact with oil? Maybe some sand would be better?
@@RonKoppelmannthe laundry detergent isn't likely to damage the engine if any inadvertently gets into the oil.
By all means use sand, but do it on your own bike.
I had the exact same problem with the 1st oil change. Advance Auto, Performance Tool filter strap wrench, part number W173C, around $10. Worked like a champ. It uses the force of the strap to tighten and get a better grip as you go.
When I bought the bike I took it home and went to Arkansas and broke it in the hard way. I rode it so hard I ground up the pegs, front tip over covers and completely wore out the tires in 1k miles. They did the first oil change and had to use the same filter cap socket with set screw to get the filter off. Made me a hell of a deal on a new set of tires, free Honda Syn oil change, pegs and tip over covers. I laughed when they pulled out the set screw filter socket. The master tech a good friend of mine said they all need it. I inspected the new tires going on the bike and I went for a ride with my buddy on a couple of shop bikes and lunch with the owner. Bike all done when we got back. I've got a couple of those set screw filter sockets. But nothing as small as what's needed to remove that small filter. They do work well when needed.
I use black anti slip tape . 3M™ Safety-Walk™ Coarse Tapes and Treads 700 Series applied to the inside the filter wrench. Always works for me . also, an impact wrench gives a sudden action that can help. I also use a little anti seize [werth copper] on the threads [not gasket] during install.
Sadly, the OEM Honda oil filter tool (I call it a socket, rather than wrench) is not a superior item, as it's fatal flaw is, that they just spot weld the nut onto the socket. I had one break clean off with the very first oil change on my brand new 2012 NC700XA, which apparently, has the same breed of Gorilla on the oil filter installation line, as the Goldwings lol.
Very informative video. I've suffered the same challenge with a too-tight oil filter on some equipment we had. Fortunately we never had to resort to poking it with a screwdriver, but I've heard of that method. We were able to get a strap "wrench" on the filter and remove it with that. I've never seen the new filter wrench with the set screw. Very good idea.
Take it to the dealer. Let them deal with it.
I’d took it in as well! No brainer for the reasons you said.
Just had same issue on my 2018 Goldwing. I purchased on amazon a EWK 64mm 14 flute heavy duty filter wrench. It worked great. Trashed the old thin filter wrench.
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had to wind up using a screw driver the first time on my previous dct. wound up putting a couple of different holes to get it to loosen up. was very careful because of the engine case right on the filter. I've considered getting an oil filter which has the socket nut on the filter. that oil filter cap with the screw is a very cool tool to have just in case. DFW Honda has always been great for me!
Had the same issue with my 2018 GW DCT last year , all I did was drill 2 holes into the filter wrench in two areas enough room to sink in some 3/4 self tapping screws into the filter wrench and filter,thankfully it was enough grab to spin it off
Like you I had issues getting the filter off, After many attempts broken tools and much grief I placed a few holes in the bottom of the filter wrench cup placed the appropriate number of deck screws and Bobs your uncle.
Good call Joe.
Great Job Mark that what i like great people doing great work where we fail sometime,
Well I had the same problem on my first filter on my 2018 standard. I ended up buying a 3 arm clamping wrench that tightened up as you turn. Clearance is definitely an issue. I also made a oil filter wrench with two screws that go into the wrench and into the oil filter. Both work well
Number 5 would be a claw style oil filer wrench. Works great on all sizes of filers. NAPA sells them
Yes, but no room to use that in this application.
@@stephencarr7173 plenty of room
I would have done the same thing, I do think removing oil filter first during oil change is the best idea. Learned that working on my Harley. But I have another wing now 24 manual, just did oil 4 k oil change with no issues. Putting rear saddle bag light on it and Traxxion engine plate on this weekend. Already did many thing to it to make me happy.
DFW Honda is the best in the area! You did the right thing. These guys in service always get the job done and are super supportive. 👍
Hummm... Do you know what they call people without beards? Might be your problem?😂
Couldn't resist.
I recall 50 years ago helping my Dad with the oil change on his new VW Rabbit. It fortunately was accessible on the front of the engine, but every wrench we tried didn’t work. The metal compression band style just dented the can. Tried the screwdriver through the side but just ripped the filter apart. Which fortunately allowed access to the baseplate with a hammer and drift which finally did the job. Since then I’ve always gotten a socket style tool to fit the OEM filters. But you’ve shown that even that doesn’t work every time!
MotivX oil filter wrench is the wrench that got me out of this same jam. precision made to exact tolerances, and it did not slip at all on that tight filter. I have also heard that the claw type filter wrenches that tighten as you turn do really well too.
I've had this problem so many times as I change my own oil on everything of mine and I bought oil filter pliers and they are cheap priced and you can buy em from auto zone and Walmart and they work great every time!
Came to this video after reading the thread on the Goldwing forums bashing you for selling maintenance videos and couldn’t remove a filter. Glad you were able to get it removed without any further headache
It is not about not being able to remove a filter. As someone with a large Internet following, I have a responsibility to show techniques that anyone can succeed with. I could have taken extreme measures and gotten the filter off. But, what if someone sees that, tries it, and they end up cracking their crankcase? I have to show the responsible way to deal with these issues.
Oh, no harm no foul. I was just directed to your video on YT after seeing a forum member made a post about you
I had 2001 Goldwing and no issues changing oil filter. Got a 2018 and had same issue. Stuck oil filter. Finally got it loose with a 9.5” locking grip oil filter wrench.
Let them do it!
DFW Honda is where I bought my DCT Tour in 2019. Chad is a great guy.
I know that is the original filter, but I got mine off of my '19 . I suggest you install a HIFLO filter HF 204 RC on subsequent changes. It has a welded nut on the bottom of the filter for use with a ratchet. I have never had an issue with removing the filter since my 2nd change.
Channel locks works every time
Same issue on my 23 first oil change, used a bilitools wrench bought off Amazon
Wow, I may be in the market for a wing in the near future, I'm riding an 05'. Honda's engineering as good as it is, doesn't think about us guys who do basic maintenance. A recessed filter in my humble opinion is just a bad thing. As soon as I saw the filter, I thought to myself, that could be a problem if something went awry. Glad you were able to solve the issue. I most likely would've done the same thing. It was surprising that the service manager said he had seen this problem in worse conditions. Cheers.
I fixed this a year ago on my 2022. I drilled three holes in the back of a Walmart filter wrench and using 3 self tapping screws to go through the bottom of the filter and hold the filter wrench on the filter. It came off without any additional fuss. I can't attach a photo here. But I can send you one.
Had the exact same problem. Same filter wrench. Same sandpaper trick. Drove a screwdriver through at an angle so you have more room to turn it. It was still a bear.
Yup, being under warranty I'd take it to the dealer assuming that they could see me right away. But, if I needed to leave the biker overnight (or for a week) then I'd likely proceed to other steps. I figure that if I went the screwdriver route and tore through the thin can then I'd rip it off and get into the inside of the filter with vice grips.
The other option would be a homemade remover using a leather strap (like a belt) and build it similar to the rubber one you have. By placing the leather strap on and then wrapping the two ends around a longer torx bit and using a ratchet, the torx bit should lock up and tighten the leather strap. Dunno if that'd work but something else to try.
Good to see that the dealer was able to successfully get it off though. Oh and no, I've never experienced an oil filter on that tight!
That's a bummer to have it on so tight. I've used the following tool before, but not on any of my Wings. It's called: Spurtar Adjustable Oil Filter Wrench 2-3/8 to 3-1/8 inch 60-80mm Universal Oil Filter Removal Tool 1/2'' Drive Cap Style Oil Filter Tool Perfect Fits Small Medium-sized Spin-on Oil Filters. I'm not sure this is the brand I used, but it's the style. "For what it's worth department"
I like the 3 finger design oil filter removle tool. Tightens harder on the filter the harder you turn the ratchet. Another idea...drill 3 small holes in your classic filter wrench, then put it over filter and screw three screws into the oil filter through the wrench. With three, it shouldn't rip the filter.
I've got a collection of oil filter removal tools including the cup style but my 2 favorite of choice are the 3 finger type👍that you had mentioned, or the claw type with one handle and works similar to two handle channel locks but fits in tighter places.
Chris, you install either filter sockets you have and you drive self tapping screw into the socket, on the flat area vertically, UP and the filter together. You can drive one or two preferred and she will come out no problem. Note: you will need to raise the bike via, lets say Harbor F. lift to do so.
I used a metal strap type wrench and drilled a hole in an opportune place then put the strap on and screwed in a self tapping screw through the hole in the strap into the filter. It worked.
It's simple, take a chisel and hammer, tap the filter in the correct direction and it will loosen. It will likely only dent the filter a small amount. Also, the cheap filter wrenches that fit over the filter are not tight fitting enough for the Honda oil filter and easily slip as the lands are rounded on the filter. I've had to do this multiple times over the years with all my Wings....
I have a oil filter wrench that has 4 arms that when you turn the rachet handle, it tightens around the oil filter so that you can twist it off.
I am having the same issue with my Indian Chieftain. I believe it was installed by the Factory or dealership. I have changed dozens of oil filters over the years and have never had a stuck filter like this. Next step is a metal strap type wrench. I'll bring it to a pro before I ever put a hole in the filter.
I use a visegrip oil filter wrench.
I bought it at Harbor freight.
The screwdriver method never worked well for me. My go-to method is to take the oil filter "socket" and drill some small holes in it. Then insert some sheet metal screws. Those really dig in. I've also taken a standard metal strap wrench and brazed a few pieces of sharp metal along the contact area. Both of those have never failed me. I'm 75 and in all my years changing oil, I've only had 2 size up. But my son has had 1, my daughter 1, and several friends have needed help. In each case, a shop installed them.
BTW - only once have I ever left the rubber oil filter seal against the engine. I've checked every filter since, and it's never stuck on again. My son had 1 stick on, and since then he makes sure it came off with the old filter and he's never had one stick again. I guess that just keeps us sharp.
I had a 2,000 pound impact wrench after 30 minutes finally break loose on 1 of my 5 lug nuts from my Factory installed rear wheel ('21 non-tour).
Long handled channel locks... I've used them on new Goldwings and new Chevy trucks after the factory welded the filters on. Used them on my 2018, but was able to muscle the 2024 Goldwing filter off without using the channel locks
I shredded mine with a screwdriver. Yes, very soft. Some panic and prayer and finally grabbed enough metal to twist it off.
Just put a rag between the filter and the filter tool and tap it on. I had the same issue on my first oil change.
I have not done my first oil change yet. Only has 356 miles. Hope I do not have this issue when the time comes. Thanks for the information.
You are in the same situation as me. I have 400 miles on mine as of today. Got it two weeks ago. I would go get the filter cap wrench from Honda that comes as a kit with the filter. Clean the filter on the bike with a paper towel and some parts cleaner to get the slippery road gunk off. Then try to loosen the filter. I was able to get mine off and changed just the filter at 400 miles. Only a little oil came out and barely registers on the dipstick. I would try it soon. I think they get tighter over time. If it slips, you know you need to take to the dealer. Good luck!!
Good point. Thanks for the information. I will be riding to Chattanooga Tennessee in a week or so. 178 mile one way. When I get back, I should be around 800 miles. I will change everything. Thanks for the heads-up.
Yes, taking to dealer is the best way. It could get more serious if you cause more damage.
I am sorry I laughed at the rubber band tool. I have used sandpaper before with success. My key to success was using really course 40 grit with adhesive backing.
I would really be interested seeing you review the Transalp.
All is well that ends well! Thanks for the video.
I always push upwards on the wrench as I a turning it. That helps some with the cheap Walmart wrenches. As a last resort, and I have never had to do that, but I have seen others drill three holes through their filter wrench and then drive self-tapping sheet metal screws through the wrench into the filter and that seems to be pretty effective and a lot neater than driving a screw driver through it.
Take it back!
Well I had the exact same problem with the oil filter on my Moto Guzzi, the wrench slipped and I tried my impact driver and it broke the wrench but the filter did not move. My solution worked like a charm. I used 5 minute epoxy, and glued the wrench to the filter. You do lose a cheap filter wrench but the oil filter came off with ease.
I had the same problem the first time I tried to change the oil in my 2021 Goldwing. I bought several of the cap type tools and they all spun. As you demonstrated, there is no room for any other type of oil filter tool to fit the Goldwing filter. Believe it or not, I stuffed a rag around and inside the cap tool, punched it on the oil filter, and it finally bit down and broke the seal. I was using a much bigger breaker bar socket wrench than you, I don't know if that made a difference.
Good afternoon ,the Honda OEM filter size is a 64mm the black Hyper Tough filter wrench”Black” is a 65mm-67mm it will slip every time.The cast “Silver”Hyper Tough is 64mm will not slip at all.they are right next to each other on the shelf at Walmart.
I’ve had this happen before, your heavy duty screw driver and a hammer to punch it through the filter works every time!
Honda shop for sure.
I would’ve tried friction tape, similar to how you tried the electrical tape. Maybe that would’ve had a problem too, but I thought you were on the right track
With my stuck on oil filter, I had taken my oil filter wrench (similar to your Walmart/Honda brand) and dotted the inside with about 4 or 5 specs (about the size of the head of a pencil eraser) of Shoe Goo. I smoothed those drops of Shoe Goo to conform to the curvature of the inside of the wrench and let it sit for about 15 minutes. With the Shoe Goo still being somewhat still tacky, I put the wrench over the oil filter and let it sit for about 2 or 3 hours. The Shoe Goo had given the oil filter wrench the traction that it needed. The oil filter came right off and I was able to remove the oil filter wrench from the oil filter once I had gotten the filter completely off the vehicle.
Hey cruiseman, I had the same problem and I used a screw driver. I used 3 diff wrenches.
I had same thing happen on my brand new Toyota Highlander. I was able to get the Oil Filter off with cheap Impact Tool from Harbor Freight.
There’s a tool with 3 fingers. Squeezes down as you go to loosen it. Should use a 3 inch extension as well.
I have one of these , I will do a dry run to see if it fits in there before I get ready to change.
Yeah with the extension and a longer ratchet for leverage, I’m confident it would have taken this filter right off.
I thought about that tool, but was afraid the fingers would not fit.
Just use channel locks. That's what Idid on my 2022
My 2022 Bagger was the same thing, First time I every went back to a dealer for an oil change in 40 years ! The tech drilled his wrench and put a screw through the side.
I’ve never had a filter stuck on my Goldwings or other motorcycles. However, I have had oil filters stuck on vehicles. What I’ve done in the past is punch two holes in the end cap of the filter and insert two screwdrivers. I then use another screwdriver or a bar and place between the two screwdrivers penetrating the filter. I hold the two screwdriver handles and use the third screwdriver or bar between the two screwdrivers to turn the filter. This procedure has never let me down.
I attempted to buy a 21 from DFW honda and they gave wanted to give 5k less for trade and had 4K in what they called ADM. They were very misleading and tried to be deceptive. Im glad that they worked out for you getting it fixed up. I ended up going across town and got a great deal. Also I was a diesel mechanic for several years and would work with stubborn filters sometimes. I had a metal banded strap wrench and they usually work pretty good. Also try using an extension to ensure only rotational force because it looked kinda crooked coming off. Hey it's Honda's mess up let them fix it.
I have a '21 sitting in my garage with a stuck filter (bought it used) and multiple dents and scratches from aborted attempts at removal. I am waiting for the fuel pump recall parts to come in at my local dealer and was going to let them try when I took it in, but will give it another go if you'll please post the link for the set screw removal tool. Please don't forget. This from a loyal fan of both your RUclips and Maintenance Videos. Thanks!
The tool is from Blue Point and only available from a Snap On truck. If you use this tool MAKE SURE THE SET SCREW IS SCREWED COMPLETELY IN so that it is flush with the filter wrench surface.
I have a metal strap wrench that uses a 3/8" extension. Much more compact than the rubber strap wrench. I needed it for my Harley oil filter. It might have worked for you. I wish I could attach a photo of it.
I change all of my vehicle's oil too. But, that would be a no-brainer for me, it's on them, so off to the dealer it would go.
I drilled a 1/8" hole through the wrench and oil filter and put a screw so they don't spin
Mine is a 2024 Goldwing Bagger
Remember when installing the new filter to lube the filter gasket with oil. I'll bet it was installed at the factory dry, as well as being over-tightened.
i've put two screws through the filter wrench into the filter, comes right off
Harbor Freight Strap Wrench , works for me
My '23 factory filter was on extremely tight, which seems to be the nirm. Honda, you might want to double check your assembly torque settings.
On a bike costing over 30 grand you would think Honda could use a filter with a nut welded on the end.
First oil change, same problem. I had to go to the dealer to get it removed and they almost could not get it off either. I had to put the oil BACK IN THE BIKE to get it to the dealer. WTF! They were nice enough to drain the old oil, put on my new filter, and replace the oil with the new Honda oil that I brought with me. (and bought from them)
The rubber band one would grip better if you didn't put it on backwards
Got a chuckle out of that. Hope Cruise knows how a pipe wrench works...or channel locks. Little know fact is that crescent wrench also has a right and a wrong application.
I just did my oil change on my 2024 GoldWing and was expecting troubles from all the other comments from forums. I bought the cap type from a auto parts supplier. I took the filter with me to test the tightness and found that even the same part number wrenches had fit differences. I bought the one that fit the tightest and it worked, after tapping it on. The part I didn't think was going to be a problem was the transmission filter cover. I had a problem seeing clearly getting the cover on and managed to pinch the o-ring and didn't know it. I even oiled the o-ring. I ended up buying 2 new o-rings just in case, I had issues again. I even had some leakage on the oil plugs using brand new washers. I read that over tightening could be an issue as some were stating that Honda recommends 22ft.lbs. could be too much, so I just torqued them to 15. Well with new gaskets it wasn't enough, so I used the old, put the combo wrench on and gave it a hand tap and it was fine.
We have all pinched those o-rings. Bad design on Honda's part.
@@cruisemansgarage LOl Must be because I'm a mechanic by trade for 40 plus years and it hasn't happened very many times that I've pinched o-rings.
I hate them so called oil filter attachments, I ride a 2019 Roadglide and ALWAYS use a K&N oil filter, the filtration quality is way better than anything else on the market PLUS you do not need a oil filter attachment to get it off as it has a 17mm nut welded on the end, Im sure you could get one for your GW and never worry again about a stuck oil filter
Cruiseman i have an oil filter wrench unlike any of the ones you tried and not like the they used at honda. I got it from wingstuff back in 2009. 100 percent it would have easily removed that filter without destroying it.