8th Old God {Lore/Theory - Spoilers All}
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- Welcome, welcome! Did you read something online about the 8th Old God? Or like random theories that come from almost no where? Maybe you just were searching James Randi and then this popped up? Then come and listen to what is known~
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Say the line, Ghil Dirthalen
"We don't know much-"
YYYEAAAAHHHHHHHH!!
I mean... There ARE 8 Magisters shown in both "Invasion" and "The Fall" mosaics. It's hard to see without a mod, but if you pull the actual art of the files out and look close, it's there. Obviously not conclusive, but a very interesting addition to the theory.
Why does RUclips think you're talking about Skyrim? xD Lol
Probs because of the 8 divines (it's 9 but wtv)
Whether it's plausible or not, I'm hopeful we will finally encounter the 8th Old God when Dragon Age 6 comes out :)
I'd love it if this series went that long for a 6th game❤🖤❤🖤
Don't get your hopes up
we already could've, a dragon god written from history, and a certain wolf god whom was used as a curse by elven tounge and shunned by his people,
what about 'The streets of Minrathous' though? The crazy cultists needed 8 seals to perform a ritual that was supposed to summon some kind of demon that was sealed beneath Minrathous and was described as something that eventually 'only a god could summon'. And each seal had a long four-winged dragon 'rising from a dark sea' on it. Maybe I misunderstood something or I'd spent too much time wearing my tinfoil hat but to me it seemed like a hint that the 8th Old God really exists and it's a sea monster/demon/whatever Ghilan'nain had created and refused to destroy after Solas 'stopped her hand'.
i dont think the fact that she seems to be coming from the water is evidence that moonhead isnt razikale. no one ever said the deep roads didnt go under the sea
I always figured that, pre-Blight, the dwarven kingdoms expanded BEYOND the Thedas continent - those dwarven traders who sailed to trade whilst being highly secretive? They were mentioned in the [Shal-Brytol? Kal-Shirok? i forget - the dwarven thaig "rediscovered" by Orzammar that you can briefly interact with via a table mission] codex, I think.
I find it highly plausible that the Deep Roads used to access "Deeper Roads", travelling beneath sea straits. The Old Thaig found by Hawke, with its occult and deviant nature so foreign for Varric, may be one of many coastal Thaigs that were connected to the Deeper Roads. Sea volcanoes being used as forges and sea-based Titans are completely plausible, as is the idea that the "Eighth Old God" was not, originally, known to the humans of Tevinter but to the DWARVES below Tevinter, later adopted-in upon ancient Vints' sailing within this sea-dragon's domain.
It is also possible that this sea-dragon is the deity of or a representation of the Kossith - with coastal dwarves revering the sea-dragon and sea-faring 'Vints adopting these practices pseudo-blasphemously.
I just want to say there is some form of evidence of an '8th Tevinter Magister/Priest. Found in the dissodant Chant of Light in the canticle of silence written by archon Hessarian in -160 ancient. It details a doubtful acolyte that speaks out and then flees to warn the archon of the magisters plan. However it was too late and by the time the magisters returned/were cast out by the Maker/Old Gods/Elven Gods they became Darkspawn.
Someone speaks out against the plan:
As he looked upon the waiting sacrifices,
One acolyte felt the first prickling pangs
Of dread. And he turned to his fellow priests,
Saying: "Should glory come at such a price?
What reward can be worth this? If mortals
Were meant to stand among the gods,
Would the gods not open their gates to us?
Rather than demand we build a tower,
Blood, bone, and metal, to the heavens?"
The ritual begins:
But the gathered acolytes turned from him,
For there was nothing but ambition
Where hearts once beat within them.
And ninety-nine knives gleamed in the firelight
As the sacrifices began.
The doubting acolyte flees:
The one who had spoken
Into shadow crept and made himself away.
North, to the road, Minrathous bound.
Fear grasping at his every breath
That none might stop his brethren
Save the Archon himself.
I know they may just be a priest or servant in one of the 7 old gods temples but this could stand to justify that was an 8th Old God. Perhaps one unlike the others, if the Old Gods do have a connection between the Elven Gods could we be seeing Solas who we know is a Dreamer Mage or Mythal who can shapeshift into a dragon and in Dragon Age Inquisition walk the fade physically try and warn the magisters of this plan? That the old gods are just the Elven Pantheon hoping to escape by using their bodies as vessels?
A shout out to James Randi in my Dragon Age corner of the internet felt like the planets starting to align for when all my interests finally combine into one super interest that finally breaks my brain and I am thrilled
I was just about to write that myself! Hail to Randi
Think one of those two could be the tentacled monster living under Tevinter? I so hope we go back to the scary, dark dragon age with the creepy monsters. It could of just been me but the Inqi just seemed to have a happy go lucky time of doing things. I didn't play DA2 a second time but other than a few moments of angsts or comedy if felt like one long fetch quest. Mass Effect did a better job of keeping the pc feeling like they actually had pressure on them. But Awakenings actually made me gag at times because not only was it dark but you were so into being in the world and understanding it's horrors.
"a more serpentine"
Mythal "took on the form of a serpent" in battle with Anduril....
7 Evanuris discounting Mythal "the serpent" and Solas, who was only loosely associated and would have no reason to whisper to Tevinters while he was taking his goddly power-nap after making the Veil.
Caitie I appreciate all your hard work so much✨ thank you for always giving me content on our favourite game series❤️
Just realized this but after looking at the "Beetle" on the mural it kind of looks like a Qunari
And the "moonhead" looks like the statue in deep roads in Tresspaser (near the note about statues of Mythal and Fen'harel). And since Solas took something from Flemeth...
Here’s a expanded image of the mural where they both clearly seem to have the tentacles.
imgur.com/a/GVSd8z7
@@mesndnaedr6300 OMG!!!! At this point i'd bet a fortune they are Razikale and Lusacan!
Gee thanks Caitie, you just has to put this out just as I was going to bed 😤 How dare you contribute in my terrible sleep schedule
Thanks for putting out new-ish DA stuff. I want the next game so bad...
Can you and jordan do another theory podcast? I'd love to hear more of those.
I honestly can't wait for DA4 so that you'll uncover the secrets for us 😂❤️
What if the 8th embodied an idea that the ancient Tevinters had rejected over time, perhaps the god of liberty? And if the old theory of the old gods and elf gods being linked has any merit, could it be the one associated with Solas?
Short of one of the Old Gods waking up without becoming Blighted, we might never know.
wouldnt it more likely be related to Mythal? Especially considering the serpent..
I wonder who at Bioware decided to make all the sources of lore in Dragon Age Inquisition so dubious and cryptic that we're always left with more theories than answers.
I would love nothing more than to see you cover more theories and your take on them 🙏🏼
Looking forward to all the details, and I really do love your work.
Caitie "we don't know much" has a same power to "so i recreate their base on my private server" welyn
ICONIC!
What if Lusacan is supposedly Solas, and Draconis and Razikale are the missing two?
Thank you 😊 for all these videos.
2:15 .....hold on. This may be the birth of the Qunari!!
I don't think many of the younger fans of Dragon Age would get that James Randi reference🤣🤣
So glad to have another video to watch and Rewatch ❤️
So I have a question idk if it warrants a video but I’m curious. Is there any proof that the maker is real? So the black city is actually an old Elven city right? And the chantry says the taint was created by the maker right? But we know the taint is much older than the chantry says so my question is, is there any proof that the maker actually exists? (I’m not super caught up with lore so I might be wrong about some stuff and maybe there is real evidence I don’t know about)
Jeez... The amount of work you put into this is REALLY appreciated!
So much of the DA lore is based on eights, or multiples of eight, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was an eighth Old God. Who knows, it may fall into the Solas lore of part of the Forgotten Ones.
the top half of tentacle boi looks like the architect with a different head
What if Dragons were only the most popular choice as vessels for Old Gods? And a different old god chose this sea creature instead?
Wooo another lore video!
i think the thing about this is that if Bioware has any kind of world building quality control, they aren’t just going to bring it up for no reason at all, that’s just messy writing, so hopefully they have it amount to something if not a full old god
A sea monster considered a god!! Perhaps named Levi'a'than?? As in the Leviathans who would eventually create the Reapers?
I'm not particularly invested in the theory, but if Solas really did use one of Ghilan'nain's sea monsters to try to make an Old God, perhaps he did it as a failsafe to control the Blight. He's very angry at the Grey Wardens in Inquisition for trying to kill the Old Gods, and at one point asks how they know that killing the Old Gods won't just make things worse. Mythal (Flemeth) also put effort into saving one of the Old Gods via Morrigan and Kieran. So perhaps the Old Gods are actually imperative to keeping the Blight from expanding. And if I remember correctly, the Horror of Hormak describes hybrids that were part Darkspawn, so we know that Blighted creatures can be combined with others in the weird magical monster maker mixing pot.
In short, perhaps Moonhead was Solas' attempt at a backup plan in case all the OG Old Gods died. Or maybe she is one the Old Gods and Ghilan'nain decided to mix her up with a sea monster for fun cause she seems a little sadistic.
Any chance we might get a theory video on Zither! ? A rock and roll mage warrior bard with a Templar for an agent? I can’t find much of anything on him online and it frustrates me. :)
I always just associated it with Mythal.
Though i believe all the old gods tie in with Evanuris and they each are or represent a certain type of spirit.
Like mythal is justice
Elgnarn is rage
Solas is Valor
June is wisdom
Also i believe june is the big bad of the series and is represented by Dumat.
I'm having bad Prometheus flashbacks.
I mean, my pet demand/theory is that in DA4 you'll be able to free Razikale and Lusacan but will be facing the 8th for the 6th Blight. I'm fully convinced Moon-head is Razikale.
It would be so nice if you could complie the gods videos and codex that you have into one longer one.
Draconis is a being that fascinates me. I believe there IS an 8th Old God as well.
If we get to see it in DA4, I'll be happy
very cool
This is aside from the video, is it possible for animals in dragon age to do magic? Do you have any videos on this i have possibly missed?
I always wondered if mages could use animals in blood magic. I know that we can in dragon age origins but that was only during gameplay and may have been an oversight.
@@periwinkle1136 i was thinking more of could the animals themselves do magic. I dont understand why magic is limited to the ‘intelligent’ races. (Humans, elves, ect...)
@@_iimadhatterii_ I know what you meant. Just wondered if animals could be used for blood magic.
@@periwinkle1136 so i think they have, i cant think of any specific instances but i would be curious about the difference between animal and ‘humanoid’ blood has.
Am I the only one who thought mythal/flemeth who took a serpentine dragon form. They may have struck her from the record because she could also represent liberty which the tevinter didn't like. But if we're going with the evanuris are the old gods theory then it could be mythal/flemeth who made an appearance later on and changed into a dragon.
I think the 8th old god Draconis rebelled against wanting to go into the Golden City and Tevinter Imperium erased him from record
I still believe that all the Old Gods are actually The Old Godesses because each Old God Dragon possesses a fragment of Mythal’s soul. Wynne the mage companion from Dragon Age Origins was my first clue, because she is kept alive by a spirit. . Second was when Flemeth could be in two places at once and have separate memories. Third, the line from Flemeth, “...a wisp of an ancient being.” Fourth, when Flemeth has Morrigan retrieve/preserve the soul of Urthemiel. Flemeth does this to prevent another piece of Mythal’s soul from being destroyed. “A soul is not forced on the unwilling, Morrigan. You were never in any danger from me.”
I also believe the Evanuris killed Mythal by chopping her soul into fragments and then trap them in the bodies of sleeping Dragons. Solas, “you met Mythal... didn’t you? The first of my kind are not so easily...”
It would certainly explain why several of the old gods aspects seem to fit her more than other evanuris, or what happens with Urthemiel’s soul when she takes it, why Solas doesn’t want the Old gods killed - bc they are part of his friend... hell, it would even explain why Tyrrda Brightaxe isn’t possessed by her but has an elven lover who is trapped in the fade and possessions only start with Andraste, who was born in the year Dumat died, bc that’s when the part that was in Dumat was released into the world... I only don’t see why they would be male or why Mythal would want the Blight unleashed on the world or why the darkspawn are even so attracted to her soul parts that they spend all their energy searching for them. I know she has the potential to be the ultimate villain but that doesn’t quite seem to line up with her character nonetheless.
@@Felsenkeks I don’t think the Blight comes from Mythal. I think the Blight is the result of a murdered Titan turned demonic. Think about it. Lyrium is alive and is like the blood of a Titan. Red Lyrium is the source of the Blight because the Blight is a crystal based pathogen 🦠 not a carbon based pathogen. I think in the height of her power Mythal could cure the Blight, #Andruil. But, as fragmented as she is now she cannot.
@@Felsenkeks also, Hugh Dragons are female. Perhaps the Ancient Tevinters just labeled some of Mythal’s dragon prisons as masculine and were just mislabeled...?
It’s moon-head!!!
that pic of 2 dragons looks like a 2 headed dragon to me
We got any ideas on beetle yet?
so ive been combing through a lot of the codex and your videos and ummmm can i ask a possibly bad/dumb question? is there any reason ghilanain couldnt have been the first qunari? we're told that shes literally a halla but what if its like the dragons where its just symbolic? what if she just *looks* like a halla but thats only because the words for qunari and kossith didnt exist before her since shes the first? corypheus calls qunari a mistake of blood, what if thats a reference to how ghilanains transformation happened? i cant find any evidence that precludes this line of reasoning but maybe others can
my personal theory is that qunari are experimental products of half elf half dragon gene combinations (made by miss ghilliana herself) so i am just loving what u said!!!
The 8th god is Mythal.
The 8th Old God is Talos.
I cannot express how disappointing the fact of archdemons being dragons instead of those. But if that's a state of true old god as a retcon would be acceptable for its a stellar design
Are we the last Old God?!?!?!
Yogg Saron