Thedas Astronomy {Lore- Spoilers All}
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
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My money is that Solas needs to wait for an eclipse to take down the veil.
I hope so, at the very least because that would be a good way of working in a cool final mission cinematic with darkness falling over the land etc.
I don't know how but this makes sense
Aah I get it! He wants Eclipse mercenaries and their mechs to protect everyone from demons, until people can learn to not convert spirits into demons!!
Thedas has a sun :o
Now that is the deep lore we come here for :P
In dragon age origins soldiers peak dlc, when the warden finds the small crater containing star metal, the warden comes across a man & his wife who find a baby in the crater next to the the star metal ore. The blacksmith at soldiers peak tells the warden that star metal comes from the sky, presumably outer space. The event with a man & wife finding a baby in a crater next to metal from outer space is most likely an easter egg referring to superman.
the moon people are Kryptonians XD
Catie even though it was an easter egg in Origins, you did miss the Superman cut-scene of the older couple that "found a boy" from a meteor clash landing in Thedas. Otherwise, I love all the content that you provide. Please don't stop.
I think there were even some other instances of meteor ore in Origins and Awakening, in weapons you could buy in shops and such
Yes! I got that cut-scene my first ever playthrough. I didn't think mich of it until people started saying it was an easter egg. Lol
I believe that both Mythal and Andruil are the goddesses of the moons. Mythal is the goddess of the moon, while Andruil has stated to be the sister to the moon. Since there are two moons, it makes me believe that they are the goddess to each one, with Mythal being the goddess of the larger main moon, and Andruil being the goddess of the smaller moon (Satina).
Except that we know from Solas that Dalish gods weren't gods but just powerful mages that make all elves to worship them.
@@darthportus I believe they mean that each goddess was associated with a different moon and that’s why two goddesses were moon goddesses.
Eating breakfast and listening to dragon age lore makes for a good start of the day
If I remember correctly, in Nordic Mythology, Fenrir (or his offspring) chases the sun to devour her. Solar eclipses are failed attempts to trigger the end of the world. Maybe it's a source of inspiration, considering that Fenrir is a Wolf.
Yeah, skoll & hati chase the sun and moon. Fenrirs offspring. That’s a cool point!
There was an alien that appeared (briefly) in Origins. The baby the old couple adopts (referencing Superman) who fell from the meteorite you obtained Star metal from.
It'd be so interesting if Thedas takes place in one of the parts of space that hasn't been explored in Mass Effect and somehow a Krogan ship was able to crash land on the planet.
Catie your videos are so amazingly well done, all the touch, care and research you put on making then is incredible
Catie saying how the Thedas moon and the ME planet are actually Mars had big “Baby this is Keke Palmer” meme energy.
4:10 Honestly the tides wouldn't be that crazy in Thedas. For a two-moon system to be stable, the outermost moon would have to be significantly less massive and a long distance away from the innermost moon. Therefore, the tides would be mostly determined by the gravitational effect of the innermost moon, with the outermost moon only somewhat altering tidal patterns.
In the Hissing Wastes (I think?) Cole says "Look at all the stars. Their light is very far away. Some of them are already gone."
To which Solas responds: "Vast but still. Does it bother you, how different it looks that the sky in the Fade?"
Oh heck Ghil I think Solas trapped the elven god's on the moon
Don't forget, it takes the planet 360 days to make a full rotation around the sun in Dragon Age.
The constellation Solium was hinted at belonging to Elgar'Nan, and also the pyramids of the old society before the Qun came to Par Vollen line up perfectly with that constellation. Pyramids which were not build as tombs, but did house preserved bodies. Could this be a place where the followers of Elgar'Nan went into Uthenara, or perhaps be the temple area of Elgar'Nan just like we have seen the Temple of Mythal? Would be real cool to visit that in DA4 :D
2:25 So in this case Thedas is like Kerbin from Kerbal Space Program: It has two moons, and the innermost one is just called "the Moon" (technically Mün but whatever) while the outermost moon is called something entirely unique.
I love that banter between Leliana and Oghren. Hilarious!
THANK YOU!!! I had stumbled across the "two moons" thing what seems like a million years ago, and wasn't able to find it again when I looked. I did post a question about it on Gaider's twitter, but he did not address it. I'm pretty sure they wrote it in Origins, then decided (or forgot about it) not to use it for anything and it did not occur to anyone to delete the reference. I run Dragon Age as a table top rpg, and something like a second moon is much harder to ignore when players are nominally living in the world and a thing like that would be as intrinsic to their lives as the seasons. It is a smidge annoying not to know if there is a whole second moon... so I decided there simply isn't one for my own sanity.
I wonder how many of our complex theories about the elven gods are actually wrong just because of the fact that the devs reused some textures
There might be something to the DA4 eclipse logo idea as that black and gold one in particular looks like a double eclipse; as in two moons (one larger and further away, one smaller and closer) in perfect alignment with the sun. If the "giant moon" (for lack of a better term) is on a highly elliptical orbit, it could at various times appear to drastically grow and shrink in the sky, depending on where it is in said orbit (our moon does this too, but nowhere near as dramatic.) It could even either pass in front or behind the other moon at various times too. And yes, all of this would play hell with the tides.
Side note: the word "planet" comes from the ancient Greek word that literally just means "wanderer". As in stars that "wander" where the others remain static. So the term loooong predates any understanding of what we think of as a planet (or indeed that we've been standing on one the whole time) or even what materially distinguishes them from stars.
Oh and the odd configuration of that orrery could be explained if it's using a Ptolemaic geocentric model instead of the Copernican heliocentric model (i.e.: the "earth" is thought to be the centre of the system instead of the sun.) Not suggesting that this is literally the case for Thedas, just that the misconception was a fairly common one in ancient cultures and the same could be true for Thedas. Indeed, if the red spikey thing is Thedas then the two diamond shaped crystals could represent the moons, and the icosahedron could be the sun. If so then the (cosmologically unlikely) idea that Theda's is the only (visible) planet in the system might have some weight. But for all we know it could also be an attempt to map the fade...
One fun but wildly unlikely idea is that could explain the lack of other planets in the system AND tie into the notion that the sky is a shell to protect the world could be that Thedas is orbiting a star that's inside a ridiculously huge (like "a diameter comparable to Jupiter's orbit" ridiculous) dyson sphere type megastructure, and the "stars" are just points of light (maybe billion year old malfunctioning fusion reactors) along the inner surface. I mean the snake people thing is more likely than this, but still...
Then there's the whole "Thedas exists in a pocket universe" theory which supposedly accounts for why in it's natural state (i.e: before the veil), it co-exists with the fade, which certainly fits the description of another universe with very different laws of physics.
Caitie, while I do love your videos, there's one thing that you're forgetting. The moon doesn't just go through phases, it also goes through high and low periods. Moments were it's closer, or more distant from the Earth. Maybe the moon we see in Inquisition is/was going through one of these periods.
First i have a "theory":
Maybe because of the wild tides is so hard to travel thru the amaranthine ocean, and in general there are a few codex entries about wrecks or sea storms.
p.d. Great video I also love space and was very appropriate 'cause of MELE. Also I think that the big moon looks like either Europa or Io.
What about Jon and Marta's adopted son in Origins, presumably from Krypton?
Well considering how magic is quite common in Thedas Supes would have a really hard time.
Re: the Setting of the Light, it’s clearly an Easter egg reference to The King In Yellow from Robert Chambers’ cosmic horror series (the main characters in the King In Yellow are Camilla and Cassilda; Camellia’s veil seems similar to the King In Yellow’s mask; the production causing madness, suicide, and riots). In Chambers’ story, the King In Yellow is set on a planet orbiting one of the stars in the constellation named The Hyades. So taking the codex entry literally and using the King In Yellow to fill in the gaps, Demhe would be on a different planet in a different solar system. There’s nothing about Carcosa becoming a new moon of Earth in Chambers’ fiction, though, so not much to be added there. Still, since it’s clearly an Easter egg, I wouldn’t put too much thought into it.
Could be possible that the other moon which might be the original moon is just called Moon. That is the name of our real life moon. Sounds silly but it’s like the the word Pegasus. It was originally just a name for a single winged horse in Greek mythology. But now is used for all winged horses.
In origins a baby arrives in a meteorite, this is *absolutely* a Reference to Cal-El of Krypton, but is further support for possibilities of life on other planets.
I think I remember there was more evidence on the Mass Effect theory... Damn it was so many years ago!!
There's an Ogre statue in Mass Effect and a Krogan head in Dragon Age.
You can also find an Ogre statu in ME2’s Kasumi dlc. Apparently, there is also a planet that matches Thedas in one of the games but I have not found it.
wonderful as always! thanks so much for keeping up with these, always makes my day to see a lore video from you :)
I just love this! Thank you for all your research and editing. I know it's a time consuming as hell.
As for any theory I may have... I have none. On the Thedas sky, I go DUH quickly. As for aliens to Thedas... Because of the massive variations of species and mindsets, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if "aliens" have already supplanted the native species and came into conflict with the "Pillars of the World" as the only species that truly has a connection to the world are the Dwarves and they only exist because Mythal killed their Titan.
THEDAS HAS A SUN!! 😲! 😂
though there are some people who have played these games and have played Mass Effect as well and they have suggested that both the Dragon age and the mass Effect share a universe and that Thedas is just another life supporting planet in the Milky way galaxy.
Great touch with details makes the video very interesting good work.
I really don't want the Easter eggs to be anything other than Easter eggs. For some reason the "magic is just lost supertechnology we're relearning to use/supertechnology is mistaken for magic by underdeveloped cultures" trope pisses me off.
I think that Dragon Age is in Andromeda, and Thedas planet is an early adopter of remnant.
In the Decent DLC we go down, way down until we are inside a Titan. This place is filled with lyrium, plants, pyramid shape structures, and scripture That only a Shaper can read.
On Eos we find an entrance that goes down, way down to a Vault. This place is filled with Energy Liquid (Lyrium), plants, pyramid structures, and data that only Sam can read.
Dwarfs = Remnant Elves = Angara Vaults = Titans Vault Liquid = Lyrium ...
I like your longer vídeos like this one
8:06 omfg what if that was the time elgar’nan put the sun in the abyss and the moon from mythal?
Okay this is the gamer in me, but the planets at 9:18 look like d20 and two d8 nearly cut in half. Just an observation. Great video though.
Coming from FFXIV I have an intrinsic distrust of 2nd, created moons. If there is a bloody ultimate dragon trapped in that second moon I am going to develop a complex.
Don't forget the Ogre statue in Dragon Age II. xD
The Mass Effect/Dragon Age theory is about as good as the Fallout/Elder Scrolls theory. By that I mean, it isn’t good
hope you wont get demonetized
good video btw
I mean a fantasy setting having a sun isn't actually necessary. In the elder scrolls the "sun" is actually a rip in reality leading to another dimension that coincidentally gives off light. If I remember correctly (which I might not since I hate all things Bethesda) it's where the Dwarves ascended to.
With the mass effect theory, a better theory would be that theyre in the same timeline but in completely different galaxy. Like, Andromeda is a totally different galaxy, maybe it's just one that is sooo far away that not even humans know of it's existence. It sounds better then it being the bloody moon of something lol
Thanks for sharing. I had the chance to witness a rocket launch in 2018. Amazing experience. I uploaded a pretty cool montage of the journey to my channel.
Crazy theory time: Thedas is Earth when I do drugs
Could you make any video about Loghain's story?
the image of the origins moon you showed looks like a white mars....doh....nevermind you said that later on in the video.
A part of me thinks maybe they don't focus too much on space in the DA series because ME is literally a space series but that's probably not right 😅
I felt the same way when I seen the blood moon in the US
Since I couldn't find a name for the 2nd moon, I ended up naming it Augus in my Fic (after their month of August). I also had a thought that we only ever really pay attention to Satina is b/c it is fairly large. What if the 2nd moon is really small by comparison... like the Mars moons Phobos & Deimos?
As someone who is use to Elder Scrolls lore, I have to ask, why do you think the world of Dragon Age abides by our laws of physics?
I'm still of the opinion that the moon in most of DAI is different from the one in the Jaws of Hakkon DLC.
Blesss
Honestly, I ever heard that Mass effect and Dragon Age are actually in the same universe and in the same timeline :v
The elven gods are locked away on the moon like my little pony character
They are no gods
12:46 Isn't Sirius a star, not a planet? 🤔 Or did I misheard? (Sorry, English is not my native language)
@Ijirashiko Sirius
Binary star system in the constellation of Canis Major
It is! But, and I might have said it weird, I'm making reference to the minor planet Ceres! :)
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Random thought on the new Dragon Age logo is my head keeps playing Dokken 'into the fire'.... Yes I'm weird bite me.
Yellow stars are not the most common in the universe. The red ones are the most common.
She said ‘one of the’ not ‘the’. C’mon.