this dude is genuinely grateful, happy and excited for an operating system designed by a guy who has a long history with privacy and surveillance cases .... what a world we live in
@@cepheus3d fun fact: if you asked someone what horizon os is a few months ago people will respond with the nintendo switch os. this is probably gonna make some confusion (yes the switch os is named horizon, i'm serious)
@@thelateweeb2799 It's old and the core is bad in some senses. Windows NT main kernel: 90th, Linux core kernel 90th and MacOS core kernel 80th. It's time for a high level maintainable rewrite of a OS to go away from C for the core function to a more secure higher level language for the core functions. Windows NT, Linux and Unix aren't written with GUI in mind and old very old. There are more new security models in the the cpu which could be used at low level of the kernel. It's old, old coding style and there aren't poeple who know to maintain it forever. In Windows and Linux many core API functions are direct value or pointer functions and not the more modern pointer to pointer functions and not all classes in Windows use IUnknown for the start.
@@stefanengler772What exactly are you trying to say here? The kernel has nothing to do with GUI, nor does it have to do with APIs. And writing a kernel in a high level language is a fucking awful idea, kernels are inherently low-level, it's the entire point of them existing. The kernel is meant to manage hardware, memory, processes, etc. How do you accomplish that when the language is trying to manage things for you?
"Opening" up Horizon OS to other devs is the attempt of Meta monopolising VR-software (which is just an Android fork). Just like Google monopolised Android, by forcing people to have Play Services and proprietary Google APIs including SafetyNet/Play Integrity, which makes using AOSP Custom ROMs hardly bearable.
@@4Bakers and google will graveyard the project in a few years like they have so many others. Google has the worst reputation on follow through. I'm constantly waiting for gmail to be shuttered.
Valve has been working on a number of VR related changes in preparation for their next VR headset, they just haven't talked about it much so you only hear about it through sources like SadlyItsBradley
He said "the year of the Linux desktop". It's a specific term used to refer to years where people hope Linux would grow in popularity among the common masses It's almost kinda like "fusion energy is just 10 years away"
@@yewo.m sure. I think it's sarcasm also. Everything is running linux now. Android, ChromeOS, all Servers and even Windows is running linux. So unlike fusion entergy, we have been in the Linux era all along, they don't ask money for the linux kernel so people don't notice when they use it.
One of my friends used to work at Onward before it got shut down. Meta actually ended up aquiring Onward for a few years and it gave them the ability to finally pay the staff well. The team got cut during the mass layoffs if I remember correctly.
People are too lazy for that to be a possiblity. They'd rather give away their private data free of charge than bother with basic knowledge of computers and softwares.
Really hoping this os will not be tied down to meta as much as any Apple os is tied to Apple. I would love to see companies add in their own little features and developers or us open source folk being able to enjoy custom spins without being connected to meta. Kinda like how android is now. Also, deep down, I am hoping for valve to release their next gen vr headset. I think it is pretty clear it is happening, and they also seem to be making meaningful improvements to steam vr on linux. I would much rather see a world where valve's steamos is the defacto platform for both gaming and vr.
this is really cool, i still dont trust meta as for any corp, but this does a lot of good it is worth giving credit, also hate it when people criticize zuck for being "weird" because that's just ableism, not punching only up.
@@Melvin420x12 they are actually different implementations down to the kernel though, they are both based on AT&T UNIX but they don't have any actual code in common.
So... it is based on Android. Android is based on Linux. Linux is under the GPL. Do you think they could have close-sourced it? While I do like that they push it... isn't it just a marketing move for something that had to happen anyway due to licensing? It kinda feels weird that you're advocating Android here but not in the smartphone ecosystem, although all the same (or most) arguments you make would apply. Also Meta bought the company behind Beat Saber, so when you played it on Steam, it prolly wasn't owned by Meta yet.
@@finfirun Android is not GNU/Linux as far as I know. And yes, of course you can build proprietary stuff on top. But the „news“ here seems to be, that they „open up“ the OS itself - which is still a MUST if being built on Linux.
@@AnonymousGentooman i agree 100% with everything you mentioned. And that’s why „Meta opening up Horizon OS“ is probably no big news and especially not as generous as Theo makes it out to be, since they would have to do that anyway.
@@PaezRice Yes, I know. It was just an example. They are using android as it was intended. It's a good thing they build on it, instead of creating another incompatible OS.
The problem with Android (and also one discutable advantage) is that the apps are for all intents and purposes Java based (unless they need lower level hardware access) this enabled phones line the ZenPhone 2 x86-64 based (Atom, same cpu as the Atomic PI for that matter) to run most Android apps at the time (as long as they did not need low level stuff) which were originally, and are nowadays, ARM target apps. This though is also a curse due to its negative impact on performance.
I am impressed that the cheapest Meta goggles are only $200, but the biggest downside is the lack of rechargeable batteries. I think I would rather wait for Nintendo's new console released for their 40th anniversary next year.
The year of the Linux is literally happening right now. With Wayland stabilizing, NVK coming, KDE 6, Gnome 46, Cosmic DE, Steam and proton working, and the doubling of Linux desktop market share, it's hard not to think Linux is going to grow as a massive contender.
I like Linux, but I hope they close it up a tiny bit. For most users, the amount of distros and the culture in the community needs to change for mass adoption to happen.
@@cepheus3dLinux isn't some single OS managed by some single company, it's whatever people want it to be. Saying we "need less distros" is like saying "we need less types of cars" or "we need less clothes styles". Linux is open, part of being open means that people will customize it and distribute it as their own project, that's what a distro is. So no, there shouldn't be less distros, people should just understand that choosing a Linux distro is nothing but preference, like picking out a shirt.
I think part of the issue right now is with the current state of the VR headsets, the cost is not justified. However, moving forward, these devices have the potential of providing incredible capabilities. When that happens $1000-$2000 cost just like high-end phones have today will no longer be unreasonable. I don’t think a sub $1000 price for a good VR/AR headset is sustainable for the long-term
Carmack is so wrong it should be painful. The cost of the hardware DOES NOT MATTER until there is a 'killer app" or a large quantity of good software to attract a large number of customers. Until lots of people have a good reason to buy into something prices will never go down, before then its all early adopters who are willing to pay premium prices for the experience. Likewise, until there are many potential customers software devs aren't incentivized put invest considerable time, effort or money into making software for a platform. But in the end its always the software that drives sales, the hardware is just what you need to use the software. So anything that promotes more and better software will increase the size of the market which always eventually drives down hardware costs.
If this isn't another Android-based OS, and it is in fact their own OS, they should really add support for a wide range of customizations so users can personalize their headset.
I can't wait to see a future where Steam comes out on Android and Horizion OS, there would be an entire Linux Based Gamaing ecosystem and you should even be able to play Windows game on it, how ironic, thanks to proton and a comaptiblity layer to play on ARM devices. We would only keep the gaem from windows lol.
We can only hope. Windows is only going to get f*up their customers more and more. "I know you're going to hate this but here let us put ads on your start button" - Microsoft.
the think with valve is that they don't usually announce things unless they had been working on it and/or had something to actually show, one day seems like they don't give a f about it, the next day they just drop trailers and release things it a week later or some so yea, hard to tell
Zuck is based, that's all there's to it. Like him or not, social media are net negative for the world, but them opening their ecosystem, especially ML stuff, is great.
I'm thinking the same. You can install .apk's on Quest (which uses Android), I don't think they'll disable sideloading, however I do think they want to do what Google does with the Play Store on phones. What bothers me about Android (on phones) is that you need proprietary Play Services. People say "Oh Android is open source", but only AOSP part is. Most apps utilise closed source Google Play APIs and call Play Integrity API (banking apps, Netflix, McDonalds-app, etc.), which disallows Unlocked Bootloaders + the use of Custom ROMs.
Since you can already install and run Sidequest (3rd party appstore) on Horizon OS i would say it stay's open, though they are opening up the quest store by merging it with Applab and reducing restrictions on what is allowed on it. So they are getting more competitive. As for why they are opening the OS up its simple, they have market share and app library now and can use it to sell the OS to others, if they wait until samsung releases their upcoming headset with Android XR on it, they will probably be to late since Android XR will have the Play store for 2D apps and the VR apps can be ported over with some work and incentives and Android XR will be open (and is probably the reason Google has so far refused to allow the play store on Quest even with Meta asking them)
I think it will be closer to Google's app store than Apple's. Zuck has already said he wants to make the "open" software, so sideloading, custom roms, and other modifications should still be possible.
Every video I watch I see more and more that Theo is a really big apple fanboy, but also to that point I will say that just because at apple stability isn't better than windows, doesn't mean that's always the case or that the openness of the software is the variable that changed the stability, I mean you could see how if apple was more open it could be more stable but apple could also just have an unstable OS and it'd be unstable no matter what and it being closed source made it even more stable, these aren't really things that you can just compare at face value since the two examples are so different and there's so much going on.
It's LINUX. It's just linux. This will probably just mean eventually more software will be compatible with Linux over time. From wiki: Kernel type Monolithic (Linux kernel) License Proprietary software with open-source components Apache License 2.0 for Android userspace software GNU GPL v2 for the Linux kernel modifications
100% disagree, once they get the weight down it’s going to change the world again. If you’ve tested a headset like the high end varjo ones, you can’t help but be blown away. Media will be different, watching sports, playing games, scenery in general, new kinds of apps where you interact with things spatially, I could even see weird code visualizers that are a 3d thing that you interact with to see code paths. Also imagine a completely realistic setting where you’re sitting in your living room and it looks like Theo is really there talking to you vs watching videos like this that feel way more impersonal
Agree with the guy above. 3D TV was more of a gimmick than a serious tech. It only had one possible usecase - 3D movies, and people weren't interseted in that.
If I get all my favorite tools in one OS, no matter how terrible the OS is, i'll still use that OS just for the sake of having good tools. I rarely remember which OS I'm on these days, I hoped all Linuxes after leaving Windows and I figured out that I doesn't even matter what OS you're on.
I personally would have hoped that they would have open sourced it, or maybe go the way of steam deck and used Linux as a base. If you make the base software free it and provide wide game compatibility (the steam deck has been expanding game compatibility to Linux) it makes it far more appealing to jump the windows ship when windows pulls stupid shit like adding ads to the os.
I bet Amazon is going to get involved and make a super cheap set of goggles and sell it at a loss just to get on more faces. They already did that with their version of Android tablets.
People hate facebook but developers know facebook is great, and i think its because zuck himself used to code, so theres a level of respect they give to the community and the products they release for devs
11:30 no, this is a terrible comparison. The open model worked well on pc because the manufacturers were largely agnostic to what OS and what you did on your system. The closed model worked for apple because they locked the bootloaders and actively prevented side loading.
no not really is just OpenGL but for XR related input systems like hand tracking, 3dof/6dof head tracking and so on. Its a garbeled mess in theory it was nice but its still relies on way to many addons to even work and this again makes developing more work
Speaking of Linux,.. my Meta Quest headset does not work on Linux, because the software is Win-only :) You know which headsets do work on Linux? Valve :) because ofc they f*cking do. And if you ask me, "opening" up Horizon OS to other devs is the attempt of Meta monopolising the software (which is just an Android fork). Just like Google monopolised Android sorta, by forcing people to have to have Play Services and proprietary Google APIs including SafetyNet/Play Integrity, which makes using AOSP Custom ROMs hardly bearable.
@@cyangalaxyyou might be able to use bottles to run the meta app, or just create a efficient VM of windows 10 to run only VR. ( I haven't tried yet so... idk ) it's worth a shot though
There’s a reason why operating systems are limited in number.. convincing large companies to adopt something that might require utilizing a new programming language or standards costs millions of dollars. Also I recently moved to Linux and I love not being distracted by the bloat that exists in Windows or Mac OS. Even iPadOs is so limited yet over powered. You can’t even run a docker container or a vm on iPadOs.. which seems a bit ridiculous. Maybe companies should actually build OS that’s more accessible and less restrictive.. just a thought. Reason I went Linux is because as a developer it’s closer to similar hardware or software on servers.. so you’re going to get the best performance or something closer to true than Windows running a VMware or MacOs. Meta building an OS.. they could try but have they been all that successful with much?
I’m just going to throw out a guess here - and I haven’t started the video yet - but based on what we know about breaking into the OS market share for a platform with a leader: the target market for Meta’s OS is “poor people” You don’t break into a market and steal all the affluent customers.
The “social layer is NOT made to bridge multiple platforms.” It will just be enshittification. Why? To fund anything related to VR, Facebook has to recoup a deficit by sucking money from other sources. It’s why they never really did anything with Oculus other than buy it to prevent the development of a platform where it’s difficult to gatekeep and censor people (VR interactions are tough to index and tough to monetize) One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them
what is sounds like is that meta is not interested in the profit of the hardware and is looking to the software for their income. Offloading the hardware to a competitive space would drive the price down making it more affordable to the general consumer. More consumers to buy Meta software.
There's no real reason for another operating system to exist. You can't iterate on the perfection of unix-like and I get the feeling even NT knows that by now.
I think what Meta is doing is awesome and I hope that they're successful. 26:20 The comments about headset prices going up is sticky. I for one don't mind paying for what I'm getting. Apple's headset IMO seems overpriced based on what I'm getting. There's a happy place in terms of good quality hardware combined with good quality software and price. I think people are willing to pay. They just don't want to be ripped off.
I just don't trust anything that comes out of Meta until we see that source code. End of story. I'll die on this hill, clutching my HTC headset and knuckle controllers.
Meta just destroyed the competition in vr. That no one can compete. Like look at psvr2. An industry leader on psvr1. Now couldnt even compete with a really good headset in psvr 2. The standalone is where vr is going and meta has pumped an ungodly amount of money into it that not even other billion dollar companies like sony want to put the money in to compete
"My mac has put in less time [making sure it's backwards compatible" if by less time you mean a fuck ton of time making sure it's explicitly NOT compatible then sure. It's about time you realize it though fucking hell
Do you think they wrote Rosetta as part of their effort to make Mac less backward compatible? How about the fact that iOS apps can be run on Mac natively with their new architecture whereas that wasn't possible under x86.
@@SilkCrown I think they wrote that for their own things but let everyone elses stuff break by default as shown by... Well everything breaking constantly if you develop for Mac. You realize how hilarious it is to start your comment with talking about an emulation layer while claiming that an architecture breaking change is somehow better than an emulation layer for their other product right? And no breaking everything doesn't make it backwards compatible, do you know what words mean?
If think of it is not really new os under line base still Linux kernel. Then using google goodles they just rip it out and ad there own flavors and patches.
So it's a fork of Android. That means they intend their headsets essentially to be phones, and users on the phone-headset every waking hour. Once people are doing this, Meta expects people to start living in the Meta universe.
this dude is genuinely grateful, happy and excited for an operating system designed by a guy who has a long history with privacy and surveillance cases .... what a world we live in
Will it become the new meta?
Underrated comment.
Take my like and get out.
DataStealerOS
I think it's on the horizon!
@@cepheus3d fun fact: if you asked someone what horizon os is a few months ago people will respond with the nintendo switch os. this is probably gonna make some confusion
(yes the switch os is named horizon, i'm serious)
>"new" operating system
>look inside
>Linux
Android
Looks inside
Linux
Why even make a new kernel when Linux is already great
@@thelateweeb2799 It's old and the core is bad in some senses. Windows NT main kernel: 90th, Linux core kernel 90th and MacOS core kernel 80th.
It's time for a high level maintainable rewrite of a OS to go away from C for the core function to a more secure higher level language for the core functions.
Windows NT, Linux and Unix aren't written with GUI in mind and old very old. There are more new security models in the the cpu which could be used at low level of the kernel.
It's old, old coding style and there aren't poeple who know to maintain it forever. In Windows and Linux many core API functions are direct value or pointer functions and not the more modern pointer to pointer functions and not all classes in Windows use IUnknown for the start.
Why do you think linux is integrating rust
@@stefanengler772What exactly are you trying to say here? The kernel has nothing to do with GUI, nor does it have to do with APIs.
And writing a kernel in a high level language is a fucking awful idea, kernels are inherently low-level, it's the entire point of them existing. The kernel is meant to manage hardware, memory, processes, etc. How do you accomplish that when the language is trying to manage things for you?
You mean the new backdoor.
Nope. Do you wanna build another android-based VR platform?
Knowing Meta, it’s likely to have more integrated spyware than windows.
"Opening" up Horizon OS to other devs is the attempt of Meta monopolising VR-software (which is just an Android fork). Just like Google monopolised Android, by forcing people to have Play Services and proprietary Google APIs including SafetyNet/Play Integrity, which makes using AOSP Custom ROMs hardly bearable.
This. I'm EXTREMELY skeptical.
it's such a coincidence that they did this right ahead of Google doing their own XR platform, hmmmm
Dude they litteraly allowed other stores unlike Google and apple
@@4Bakers and google will graveyard the project in a few years like they have so many others. Google has the worst reputation on follow through. I'm constantly waiting for gmail to be shuttered.
Chill Zuck, the new Era? Way better then the Lizard Zuck we're used to.
Lizards just got better at acting, almost scary how you can barley see the green screen hiding the tail
He finally got enough money to pay people to help him look more human.
Valve has been working on a number of VR related changes in preparation for their next VR headset, they just haven't talked about it much so you only hear about it through sources like SadlyItsBradley
Operating systems are always interesting but not necessarily better
"Linux desktop never happened" - I'm on linux desktop since 2004
"We are small but we are many"
"We are many, we are small"
"We were here before you rose"
"We will be here when you fall"
He said "the year of the Linux desktop". It's a specific term used to refer to years where people hope Linux would grow in popularity among the common masses
It's almost kinda like "fusion energy is just 10 years away"
@@yewo.m sure. I think it's sarcasm also. Everything is running linux now. Android, ChromeOS, all Servers and even Windows is running linux. So unlike fusion entergy, we have been in the Linux era all along, they don't ask money for the linux kernel so people don't notice when they use it.
Nobody actually sells computers with linux. Its always windows or literaly nothing.
SteamDeck is the only excetion
There are dozens of you. Dozens!
SpyonMeOS?
As opposed to micro soft and bsd rebranded.... yeaa...
@@nonenothingnullwdym bsd rebranded?
@@aqua-bery It's Mac OS X, which is a mod of FreeBSD called XNU
@@aqua-beryXNU, which is used in Mac OS X
@@aqua-bery macos is bsd stolen and rebranded
If Meta make it, I'm not even going to watch a video about it, let alone buy it.
Data collecting will be galore!
One of my friends used to work at Onward before it got shut down. Meta actually ended up aquiring Onward for a few years and it gave them the ability to finally pay the staff well. The team got cut during the mass layoffs if I remember correctly.
headcrabOS - Dr. Breen approves
"or even google play if they're up for it" nawh marketing team must've told zuck to specially mention that part
now we can sell data on your eyes
Next year is the year of the Linux desktop
with the moves VALVE is making for Linux software support, yea that's a possibility
People are too lazy for that to be a possiblity. They'd rather give away their private data free of charge than bother with basic knowledge of computers and softwares.
Gotta love that the first sentence of their announcement unintentionally mentions the Vision.
Really hoping this os will not be tied down to meta as much as any Apple os is tied to Apple. I would love to see companies add in their own little features and developers or us open source folk being able to enjoy custom spins without being connected to meta. Kinda like how android is now. Also, deep down, I am hoping for valve to release their next gen vr headset. I think it is pretty clear it is happening, and they also seem to be making meaningful improvements to steam vr on linux. I would much rather see a world where valve's steamos is the defacto platform for both gaming and vr.
this is really cool, i still dont trust meta as for any corp, but this does a lot of good it is worth giving credit, also hate it when people criticize zuck for being "weird" because that's just ableism, not punching only up.
An OS with a lot of annoying ads, actively tracking users activity. - For sure haha
Dont trust Meta for anything generally.
But this does seem exciting.
I trust ANY product Carmack has to do with.
Calling it a new OS is kinda silly, the Operation System is linux or Android. They just added a new distribution to the already crowded linux world.
It's as silly as calling Linux and MacOS different OSs though...
@@Melvin420x12 they are actually different implementations down to the kernel though, they are both based on AT&T UNIX but they don't have any actual code in common.
God, this is the fifth OS named Horizon OS
Love tech, love information, subscribed keep it up man
So... it is based on Android. Android is based on Linux. Linux is under the GPL. Do you think they could have close-sourced it? While I do like that they push it... isn't it just a marketing move for something that had to happen anyway due to licensing? It kinda feels weird that you're advocating Android here but not in the smartphone ecosystem, although all the same (or most) arguments you make would apply. Also Meta bought the company behind Beat Saber, so when you played it on Steam, it prolly wasn't owned by Meta yet.
The kernel is gpl, yes. Also GNU/Linux. But everything you build on it can be closed source. No problem there.
@@finfirun Android is not GNU/Linux as far as I know. And yes, of course you can build proprietary stuff on top. But the „news“ here seems to be, that they „open up“ the OS itself - which is still a MUST if being built on Linux.
@@AnonymousGentooman i agree 100% with everything you mentioned. And that’s why „Meta opening up Horizon OS“ is probably no big news and especially not as generous as Theo makes it out to be, since they would have to do that anyway.
@@PaezRice Yes, I know. It was just an example. They are using android as it was intended. It's a good thing they build on it, instead of creating another incompatible OS.
Also they could release everything without their own software and sell their part.
The problem with Android (and also one discutable advantage) is that the apps are for all intents and purposes Java based (unless they need lower level hardware access) this enabled phones line the ZenPhone 2 x86-64 based (Atom, same cpu as the Atomic PI for that matter) to run most Android apps at the time (as long as they did not need low level stuff) which were originally, and are nowadays, ARM target apps.
This though is also a curse due to its negative impact on performance.
The question for me is... does support system wide vim mode?
I am impressed that the cheapest Meta goggles are only $200, but the biggest downside is the lack of rechargeable batteries. I think I would rather wait for Nintendo's new console released for their 40th anniversary next year.
The year of the Linux is literally happening right now. With Wayland stabilizing, NVK coming, KDE 6, Gnome 46, Cosmic DE, Steam and proton working, and the doubling of Linux desktop market share, it's hard not to think Linux is going to grow as a massive contender.
I like Linux, but I hope they close it up a tiny bit. For most users, the amount of distros and the culture in the community needs to change for mass adoption to happen.
@@cepheus3dLinux isn't some single OS managed by some single company, it's whatever people want it to be.
Saying we "need less distros" is like saying "we need less types of cars" or "we need less clothes styles". Linux is open, part of being open means that people will customize it and distribute it as their own project, that's what a distro is.
So no, there shouldn't be less distros, people should just understand that choosing a Linux distro is nothing but preference, like picking out a shirt.
i don't know but i have faith in this project, just take a look at what they've done with meta quest, it keeps getting better and better
I think part of the issue right now is with the current state of the VR headsets, the cost is not justified. However, moving forward, these devices have the potential of providing incredible capabilities. When that happens $1000-$2000 cost just like high-end phones have today will no longer be unreasonable. I don’t think a sub $1000 price for a good VR/AR headset is sustainable for the long-term
Carmack is so wrong it should be painful. The cost of the hardware DOES NOT MATTER until there is a 'killer app" or a large quantity of good software to attract a large number of customers. Until lots of people have a good reason to buy into something prices will never go down, before then its all early adopters who are willing to pay premium prices for the experience. Likewise, until there are many potential customers software devs aren't incentivized put invest considerable time, effort or money into making software for a platform. But in the end its always the software that drives sales, the hardware is just what you need to use the software. So anything that promotes more and better software will increase the size of the market which always eventually drives down hardware costs.
Appreciated your retorts to carmack
Sounds really good, but you I think could also see it in a different way; they would have total control, if every company uses their OS, or not?
MetaDoorOS
This guys thumbnails scared me away from his videos but i finally tried watching it and he is surprisingly chill? smh
If this isn't another Android-based OS, and it is in fact their own OS, they should really add support for a wide range of customizations so users can personalize their headset.
I can't wait to see a future where Steam comes out on Android and Horizion OS, there would be an entire Linux Based Gamaing ecosystem and you should even be able to play Windows game on it, how ironic, thanks to proton and a comaptiblity layer to play on ARM devices. We would only keep the gaem from windows lol.
We can only hope. Windows is only going to get f*up their customers more and more. "I know you're going to hate this but here let us put ads on your start button" - Microsoft.
Oh no Mark's doing the small microphone thing
the think with valve is that they don't usually announce things unless they had been working on it and/or had something to actually show, one day seems like they don't give a f about it, the next day they just drop trailers and release things it a week later or some so yea, hard to tell
Zuck is based, that's all there's to it. Like him or not, social media are net negative for the world, but them opening their ecosystem, especially ML stuff, is great.
Is it open in the same way that traditional OS’ are or we about to see the next App Store where it’s our way (and cut) or the highway?
It's Facebook what do you think?
I think they are a social media company like google is a search engine.
I'm thinking the same. You can install .apk's on Quest (which uses Android), I don't think they'll disable sideloading, however I do think they want to do what Google does with the Play Store on phones.
What bothers me about Android (on phones) is that you need proprietary Play Services. People say "Oh Android is open source", but only AOSP part is. Most apps utilise closed source Google Play APIs and call Play Integrity API (banking apps, Netflix, McDonalds-app, etc.), which disallows Unlocked Bootloaders + the use of Custom ROMs.
Since you can already install and run Sidequest (3rd party appstore) on Horizon OS i would say it stay's open, though they are opening up the quest store by merging it with Applab and reducing restrictions on what is allowed on it. So they are getting more competitive. As for why they are opening the OS up its simple, they have market share and app library now and can use it to sell the OS to others, if they wait until samsung releases their upcoming headset with Android XR on it, they will probably be to late since Android XR will have the Play store for 2D apps and the VR apps can be ported over with some work and incentives and Android XR will be open (and is probably the reason Google has so far refused to allow the play store on Quest even with Meta asking them)
I think it will be closer to Google's app store than Apple's. Zuck has already said he wants to make the "open" software, so sideloading, custom roms, and other modifications should still be possible.
Every video I watch I see more and more that Theo is a really big apple fanboy, but also to that point I will say that just because at apple stability isn't better than windows, doesn't mean that's always the case or that the openness of the software is the variable that changed the stability, I mean you could see how if apple was more open it could be more stable but apple could also just have an unstable OS and it'd be unstable no matter what and it being closed source made it even more stable, these aren't really things that you can just compare at face value since the two examples are so different and there's so much going on.
It's LINUX. It's just linux. This will probably just mean eventually more software will be compatible with Linux over time.
From wiki:
Kernel type Monolithic (Linux kernel)
License
Proprietary software with open-source components
Apache License 2.0 for Android userspace software
GNU GPL v2 for the Linux kernel modifications
Carmack is a genius dev; but I think opening the platform will prove best; best for whom, we'll see.
0:40 Ackthually 2024 IS the year of the linux desktop 🤓
Its pretty obvious that they want to create the Android of the VR world and I think they're in a pretty good situation to do so.
now we need graphene for vr
Isn't it another fork of Android?
Yes.
Yes, it's android, it's like saying samsungs' one UI is an OS, or xiaomi MUI, it's just a fork, with it's own app store, with some tweaks for VR
@@user-cy6vg4ju6v I think Amazon's Fire OS is a better comparison. Most people don't think of that as Android, but it is.
Android is also just linux
yes, but with it's own ecosystem and ui
VR is going to be like 3D TV in the early 2010s. It seems cool but no one is seriously going to use it.
100% disagree, once they get the weight down it’s going to change the world again. If you’ve tested a headset like the high end varjo ones, you can’t help but be blown away. Media will be different, watching sports, playing games, scenery in general, new kinds of apps where you interact with things spatially, I could even see weird code visualizers that are a 3d thing that you interact with to see code paths.
Also imagine a completely realistic setting where you’re sitting in your living room and it looks like Theo is really there talking to you vs watching videos like this that feel way more impersonal
Agree with the guy above. 3D TV was more of a gimmick than a serious tech. It only had one possible usecase - 3D movies, and people weren't interseted in that.
People have been using VR for a decade lol. Got my first VR device in 2016 and it's been a regular gaming device
Can't wait to see 3d movies brought to VR that'll be a funny turn of the tables
If I get all my favorite tools in one OS, no matter how terrible the OS is, i'll still use that OS just for the sake of having good tools. I rarely remember which OS I'm on these days, I hoped all Linuxes after leaving Windows and I figured out that I doesn't even matter what OS you're on.
I feel like the revenue of meta/facebook vs valve especially years ago isn't fair.
I personally would have hoped that they would have open sourced it, or maybe go the way of steam deck and used Linux as a base. If you make the base software free it and provide wide game compatibility (the steam deck has been expanding game compatibility to Linux) it makes it far more appealing to jump the windows ship when windows pulls stupid shit like adding ads to the os.
16:07 the lack of a this sort of program was what doomed the Windows Phone
I bet Amazon is going to get involved and make a super cheap set of goggles and sell it at a loss just to get on more faces. They already did that with their version of Android tablets.
People hate facebook but developers know facebook is great, and i think its because zuck himself used to code, so theres a level of respect they give to the community and the products they release for devs
Theo, the face on the thumbnails is killing me 😅 The title says something important, but the thumbnail says I'm gonna get Rick Rolled by Mr. Beast
11:30 no, this is a terrible comparison. The open model worked well on pc because the manufacturers were largely agnostic to what OS and what you did on your system. The closed model worked for apple because they locked the bootloaders and actively prevented side loading.
Zuck grew up, and iam proud.
Better meta than apple if it is an actually open eco system maybe I'll end up using it one day
Can not trust the new os unless they open source it
I'm having a hard time looking at someone like zuck who had such a malignant effect on the global society with an open mind.
isn't OpenXR that vr multiplatform software basis?
no not really is just OpenGL but for XR related input systems like hand tracking, 3dof/6dof head tracking and so on. Its a garbeled mess in theory it was nice but its still relies on way to many addons to even work and this again makes developing more work
They spent billions on this technology but it's worth EVERY cent!
DarkViper
This made me realize: I haven't tried out VR in Linux using my WMR headset and controllers yet
Speaking of Linux,.. my Meta Quest headset does not work on Linux, because the software is Win-only :)
You know which headsets do work on Linux? Valve :) because ofc they f*cking do.
And if you ask me, "opening" up Horizon OS to other devs is the attempt of Meta monopolising the software (which is just an Android fork). Just like Google monopolised Android sorta, by forcing people to have to have Play Services and proprietary Google APIs including SafetyNet/Play Integrity, which makes using AOSP Custom ROMs hardly bearable.
@@cyangalaxy Your username just reminded me. I miss cyanogenmod
@@specialfred453 So do I, my friend
@@cyangalaxyyou might be able to use bottles to run the meta app, or just create a efficient VM of windows 10 to run only VR. ( I haven't tried yet so... idk ) it's worth a shot though
when did meta and zuck become the good guys? Remember Cambridge Analitica?
I think Meta is tanking. They can’t afford a mic stand.
I'm game for new OS. It will likely be Linux based so all us linux folk will be able to jump right in and test/experiment.
it’s a fresh perspective
There’s a reason why operating systems are limited in number.. convincing large companies to adopt something that might require utilizing a new programming language or standards costs millions of dollars. Also I recently moved to Linux and I love not being distracted by the bloat that exists in Windows or Mac OS.
Even iPadOs is so limited yet over powered. You can’t even run a docker container or a vm on iPadOs.. which seems a bit ridiculous. Maybe companies should actually build OS that’s more accessible and less restrictive.. just a thought.
Reason I went Linux is because as a developer it’s closer to similar hardware or software on servers.. so you’re going to get the best performance or something closer to true than Windows running a VMware or MacOs.
Meta building an OS.. they could try but have they been all that successful with much?
All Meta wants is your data that they can sell.
I'm digging this channel. Subscribed.
Is the Horizon OS free software without licenses or permissions now, I could not find any info
Nowadays, the OS doesn't really matter, the compatible tools are what do matter.
I’m just going to throw out a guess here - and I haven’t started the video yet - but based on what we know about breaking into the OS market share for a platform with a leader: the target market for Meta’s OS is “poor people”
You don’t break into a market and steal all the affluent customers.
The “social layer is NOT made to bridge multiple platforms.” It will just be enshittification. Why? To fund anything related to VR, Facebook has to recoup a deficit by sucking money from other sources. It’s why they never really did anything with Oculus other than buy it to prevent the development of a platform where it’s difficult to gatekeep and censor people (VR interactions are tough to index and tough to monetize)
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them
what is sounds like is that meta is not interested in the profit of the hardware and is looking to the software for their income. Offloading the hardware to a competitive space would drive the price down making it more affordable to the general consumer. More consumers to buy Meta software.
There's no real reason for another operating system to exist. You can't iterate on the perfection of unix-like and I get the feeling even NT knows that by now.
Wow now I can use a VR brand I trust and still get spied on. Thanks -Facebook- Meta 💀
people praise new Ubuntu and i completely migrated on Linux because all Ai development are made and easier on Linux
I think what Meta is doing is awesome and I hope that they're successful. 26:20 The comments about headset prices going up is sticky. I for one don't mind paying for what I'm getting. Apple's headset IMO seems overpriced based on what I'm getting. There's a happy place in terms of good quality hardware combined with good quality software and price. I think people are willing to pay. They just don't want to be ripped off.
Zuck puts his money where his mouth is, respect.
I just don't trust anything that comes out of Meta until we see that source code. End of story. I'll die on this hill, clutching my HTC headset and knuckle controllers.
I can image putting on a vr headset and playing as if im looking from the character POV , without having to do the whole running and jumping nonsense
Wonder what the HAL layer looks like for this?
So, Linux 2.x kernel with proprietary other bits (a couple of non important bits open source).
Wow
31:32 living in denial
Now Meta should release React VR
This guy looks like the Joaquin Phoenix in "Her" lol
Meta, with their rich history of spying and collecting data?!
No way even to look at the OS.
This is like Nintendo creating an OS for all consoles 😂
Meta just destroyed the competition in vr. That no one can compete. Like look at psvr2. An industry leader on psvr1. Now couldnt even compete with a really good headset in psvr 2.
The standalone is where vr is going and meta has pumped an ungodly amount of money into it that not even other billion dollar companies like sony want to put the money in to compete
talk about openharmony please. it is actually not based on linux and entirely is its own thing.
Meta have fedora that they give to someone forever
"My mac has put in less time [making sure it's backwards compatible" if by less time you mean a fuck ton of time making sure it's explicitly NOT compatible then sure. It's about time you realize it though fucking hell
Do you think they wrote Rosetta as part of their effort to make Mac less backward compatible? How about the fact that iOS apps can be run on Mac natively with their new architecture whereas that wasn't possible under x86.
@@SilkCrown I think they wrote that for their own things but let everyone elses stuff break by default as shown by... Well everything breaking constantly if you develop for Mac.
You realize how hilarious it is to start your comment with talking about an emulation layer while claiming that an architecture breaking change is somehow better than an emulation layer for their other product right?
And no breaking everything doesn't make it backwards compatible, do you know what words mean?
@@TurtleKwitty I know that the architecture change made it so that iPhone apps are compatible with the Mac. I guess you don't understand that.
@@SilkCrown Is the iPhone an older version of the Mac? Oh so it's not backwards compatible and you're talking out of your ass cool cool
If think of it is not really new os under line base still Linux kernel. Then using google goodles they just rip it out and ad there own flavors and patches.
So it's a fork of Android. That means they intend their headsets essentially to be phones, and users on the phone-headset every waking hour.
Once people are doing this, Meta expects people to start living in the Meta universe.