Are We Too Late To Avoid Kessler Syndrome?
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Space junk and debris is starting to be a problem around Low Earth Orbit (LEO) according to the ESA and JAXA. Exactly how much is up there? And are we soon approaching the threshold of Kessler Syndrome?
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Yes, I think "only mildly concerned for potential catastophy" describes our general short sighted recklessness pretty good.
@@voidremoved lol...
Just look at how unprepared we were for covid. If there's no guaranteed money in it, no one is willing to pay for things.
@@laurendoe168 one of the big flaws of capitalism i guess...
@@voidremoved stfu
nah thats not "human nature", thats the nature of industrial capitalist economies that weve had for about two centuries max
"If you think safety is expensive, try an accident"
-not sure who said this
@Willow Rose It would require a widely adopted treaty. Something of the scope of the Outer Space Treaty. Don't expect it this side of 2050. In fact I would wager it doesn't happen as any non signatories would become leaders in space exploitation thereafter. I personally think this is a great filter level problem that few species ever pass.
The guy in the "elephant's foot" room at Chernobyl?
@@TheodoreIchabod I wouldn't say this is a great filter level problem it'll probably throw us a few years back but extinction is very unlikely
@@randomnobody8713 It could very well prevent us from going to the stars. Sounds like a danger to the long term survival of the species.
Lewis Steels I doubt it would hinder spaceflight much at all, as technology developed so do our methods of circumventing problems, and in comparison, this is such a small problem to have when it comes to space flight
Humans : "Wonder why aliens haven't officially visited us yet."
Aliens : "Wait, there is a planet under all that garbage?."
i feel like people greater underestimate how big and far away things actually are
@@jockeyfield1954 yes, like how far above the joke is from your head
@@chadd990 LOL
also that planet will all that garbage IN it
xd funi
Instead of a Dyson sphere we need a giant Dyson vacuum in earths orbit lol
Hahahaha
Too bad it's pretty much all vacuum up there already...
lmao
I wonder if we could use something like giant cubes of ballistic gel (modified so it wont freeze in space), as things impact it they become stuck to/in it - basically giant orbiting flypaper. Alternately stick it to the exterior of all future satellites and ISS modules (so long as it doesn't interfere with their functions).
"not enough money to be made" the downfall of humanity, in a nutshell.
yeah
Remember that this reason is the result of capitalism, who's only driving force is profit.
@@czha8329 Commie detected. Lethal force allowed.
@@licht4808 f*ck
@@czha8329 Remember that communism has never worked.
Yes, I agree. Make the owners of satellites responsible for removing them from space.
I believe, according to worldwide maritime law, owners of satellites are already, naturally responsible for removing space debris they cause, including their own defunct satellites. You can ask attorney Daniel Sheehan about that. He's an expert on world wide maritime law. The same worldwide maritime law applies to companies, corporations and countries producing garbage debris and pollution in our oceans, air and soil as well.
I'm not sure about other satellite companies, but I know Spacex bring down all of their satellites once they are defunct
Would it be possible to get voyager back? Or a space probe around neptune that got defunct?
Wouldn’t that be such a big hindrance that it will slow our evolution in the space age.
I think all satellites should have solution for deorbiting or end of mission solution. AND with every probe they should pay a kind of insurance. If a satellite is defect and can cause hindrance that they can use that money for one of the disposal methods mentioned in this movie.
No? What do you think?
@@Irizathylia they should face fines and lawsuits now. The money can be used to kickstart the cleanup industry.
@@redpsycho90 yeahhh, insurance in case of catastrophic incidences that need to be cleaned up, great idea!
“There isn’t much money to be made yet for cleaning up after ourselves.”
How ‘bout fines for not cleaning up?
If you need 50 thousand pages worth of regulations just to keep Capitalism in check, we probably should realise with the tiny brain power that Capitalism aint working that well.
@@SMGJohn i cant think of any form of society that unvetted wouldn't be a complete and total catastrophe.
@Wesley Hartley Yes, that's a wonderful idea: Pretty much what you'd do in a public space like a park, that'd fix our problem in the future. The issue here tho is that there is already so much trash in orbit so, who will clean the mess that is already here in the present?
@@jacobely6826
Thankfully, you are not going to be in charge, ever.
Just let the command economy scientists of the future worry about that.
@@rodylermglez Surely there are records of everything that’s been launched and actively deorbited. I understand that stuff gets lost up there, either communication drops or tracking fails. What’s wrong with governments going back through those records and levying fines for anything that’s not accounted for? At the very least it would be incentive for innovation to get those agencies to develop better tracking technologies.
Maybe a better solution is "if you want to put something in space, you have to first take something out (or pay someone to do so)"
Darrick Coleman Like a quota or cap on how many objects can be in orbit at one time?
yes, pay it forward
i feel the same way about having children.
@@justin_5631 Do you mean, for each child you produce, you have to murder someone? I'm being sarcastic, but seriously, I view overpopulation as perhaps the greatest crisis facing humanity.
@@swftwlly I doubt it. With increasing technology, the solar system could probably house a trillion people on Earth alone, with trillions more out in space.
Clearly we haven't understood the gravity of the situation
I'll see myself out
Ha! Ha... ha... ow.
be sure to close the door thx
Yeah, please, give us some *space* .
I'd try to come up with my own, but I don't think I can *planet* .
How can you see yourself out? You'll be here all week. Try the fish.
This comment section doesnt have the right atmosphere for comedy.
There's an anime with this premise called "Planetes", that follows a crew of blue-collar astronauts who clean up space trash. It's pretty good.
in my top 10! the animation was actually increased in fps to make the Low gravity movements looks more realistic, for a mid 2000's anime it had the production value of an anime you could find today. (Also the whole terrorist/ smoking room mini arc was amazing)
there's a movie called "space sweepers" that is also a blu-collar job in the future .. actually pretty good..
Planetes is amazing, 10/10 for me
@@october420 Definitely a surprisingly well done Netflix movie.
Ayo what I'm interested
29 000 objects bigger than 10 cm
RUclips compression algorithm: *Nervous laugh*
700 000 objects bigger than one cm
RUclips compression algorithm: *Visible pain convulsions*
And an estimated 2 hundred mi-
RUclips compression algorithm: *blood gurgling screaming*
Blurry Earth in the video: distant Keemstar screaming
Toothy 1 day ago (edited) ***THE FOLLOWING SEEMS JUST ABOUT PERFECT ASSESSMENT***
29 000 objects bigger than 10 cm
RUclips compression algorithm: Nervous laugh
700 000 objects bigger than one cm
RUclips compression algorithm: Visible pain convulsions
And an estimated 2 hundred mi-
RUclips compression algorithm: blood gurgling screaming
Blurry Earth in the video: distant Keemstar screaming
Was looking for a comment talking about the compression and I could not have put it better myself
Underrated comment
You can really tell that the RUclips compression was having a tough time at 0:43
RUclips: haha pixels go brrrrr 🤪
I had to stop and double check my resolution settings during that clip! xD
It was probably a lower quality clip to begin with. Made even worse with CrunchTube's nonsense
That's one of the worst things I've seen regarding compression artifacts lol
@@GerardMenvussa idk why all these .... go brrrrr things having me fcking spell my drink and almost diyng bc i laugh so hart, haha Water go BRRR xD
This is like someone throwing trash on the ground and when asked to pick it up, they say pay me to pick it up or else its not my problem.
right, but the analogy breaks down because it doesn't cost you astronomical amounts of time and money to throw your trash away
it's ok, just walk around it...
@@duckface81 Which is another problem caused by allowing greed to run the world. If you don't want to have to do difficult cleanups don't make messes in the first place. Sadly we let corporations just pass their problems on to someone else.
@@tjs200 And yet it still took astronomical amounts to throw that trash away in the first place.
@@tjs200 I'd argue the opposite. It cost astronomical amount to pit it there to begin with. It should have been accounted for then. Astronomical amount or not, they are obligated to deal with it once it becomes "trash"
2:33 "like this 7mm chip on the window"
My grandpa: If you put a piece of clear scotch tape over that it won't crack
When you are so unsatisfied that after polluting the inside of the world, you decided to pollute the outside too.
Lol, when your ego is so inflated you think your satisfaction and what’s good for Earth are married in mutual agreement!
It's so good to hear we've started on our own Dyson sphere! We forgot one detail though: The debris is supposed to be orbiting the Sun, not the Earth.
The earth has gravity. Did you go to school?
@@derpedlerp1237 I mean I don't know about you but I see nothing in his comment that says the earth doesn't have gravity
@@thejokestersquad3686 I know. i just assumed that he didn't know because this he said the debris should be orbiting the sun, not the Earth.
@@derpedlerp1237 Yes, the Sun and Earth have gravity. Your point?
@@thzzzt You said the debris should be orbiting the sun. For it to orbit the sun, it would need to be far from the earth. Most if not all of the debris is close to the earth, and its close enough for it to be caught by the gravity of the earth and start falling(orbits are just falling, but they are to fast to go down.).
Many years ago I thought being a space garbage man would be one of the most awesome jobs ever. Still sounds exciting, but I'm well past the possibilities.
I clean houses for a living, so that job appealed to me as well. But I'm now 68 and overweight. Next lifetime, I guess.
@@jodypalm303 when you turnin 69?
@@arv_is Asking the right questions here!
I've been thinking of the job as space cowboy, rounding up the debris and kicking it back into the atmosphere, or collecting it for recycling
"recycling" or otherwise proper disposal should be built into production cost. Maybe something like a some terrestrial programs?
The only thing that maters in profits, profits! Well, that and more guns!
Most satellites use small thrusters to stay in the correct orbit. For fuelled thrusters, simply require agencies and companies to put more thruster fuel onboard at launch and ensure, through regulations and fines, that it's used for de-orbiting. Some satellites use electric ionic thrusters, powered by solar cells or onboard nuclear systems. For these, a few months of steady thrust in the right direction, at end-of-life, would work. For satellites without thrusters (these tend to be the smaller, lighter units used for short-term missions), require some other means of de-orbiting at end of life, possibly a cheap aerosol propellant system.
@@andymanaus1077 ion thruster is only for stabilizing since it still needs some atom/molecule/air/atmosphere to move, in space theres none of it, spacecraft only using it to maximize their jet engine propulsion, you need to wrap some gas tank into your satelite, might as well give them a rocket engine at that point.
@@haze6647 Ion thrusters do not require a medium to work in, they work perfectly fine space. They're also MUCH more efficient than conventional rocket engines. The limiting factor in ion thrusters is the extremely low thrust, which makes them very useful for probes which can afford to spend weeks and months accelerating, but pretty useless for manned spaceflight.
They're also useful for satellite station keeping, as they allow a satellite in low orbit to remain in orbit for far longer than a conventional rocket engine would.
Imagine 50% of the satellites are attempts made by other people to send garlic bread up to space, but didn't get it back down.
Tom Scott fan? He sent his garlic bread up xD Not in orbit though
We finally found a real mission for the Space Force: Clean up. It's like a FOD walk for space.
Could you imagine the bitching on the comms?
The actual mission of space force is more like making all debris hit china's and russia's satellite.
Seeing that big chip in the window of the ISS while I was in it would be scary as hell.
That window's very thick too... 😅
@@tyree9055 It's not gonna remain that when debris keeps on hitting it. Hence why astronauts on the ISS aren't super happy about debris either. They've literally wrapped every single module in Kevlar, in order to increase the lifespan of the ISS, due to space debris.
@@Arterexius How many layers of Kevlar does it take to stop a 17,000 mph object? They might have enough, but that's a lot of weight and expense too... 🤔
@@tyree9055 They made a very easy, pretty cheap but effective way to solve the micrometeotite and debris impact problem. Whensuch objects impact a special outside layer and such speeds, they vaporize, and therefore the pressure from the gaseous matter hitting through that layer is sliwed down and distributed a lot on the next layer, spaced some distance apart. That is what I remember, but I don't know if I'm correct or not. Still, the solar arrays, heat radiators, and glass is quite vulnerable.
@@prototype014 that my friend is called a Whipple shield
Reasonable, yes. Gonna happen in my grandson's liftime?
AHHH.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
"Grandpa! Grandpa! Why did you chuck satellites at space left and right??? Now grandma made me clean it up or no dinner ;-;"
Not only do we trash the Earth, we do the same to the space around us. Will we ever learn. Me thinks not....🇦🇺🇦🇺
Well its ALOT harder to keep space clean then our planet
Bah, it's simple. Get the corrupt (to the core) courts system to sentence all high-ranking people involved with previous space programs for crimes against humanity and take away all their assets, including presidents at the time. The problem should fix itself rather quickly. *plus that money can be used to clean up the orbit
@@ностромов what 'crime against humanity' sentence should they get? and how all assets from them can immediately clean space debris?
@@ностромов *Nostromov*
' Crimes against humanity '' ??? Bah! Such a typical anthropcentric perspective. What about the impact on all species, both flora and fauna, now seriously under threat from everything the apex-predator - Homo sapiens-''sapiens'' does? And besides the appaling waste of resources, how does space debris constitute a specific threat to humanity anyway?
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Furthermore, what 'court' (corrupt or otherwise) is likely to prosecute such cases? We have enough problems trying to bring to justice the real perpetrators of crimes against humanity - the current and past Presidents and Prime Ministers of the past five decades or so - and we all know, that will never happen, on the contrary, they'd prefer to give these arch criminals Nobel Peace Prizes instead!
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The simplest way of ensuring no further littering of near-Earth space takes place is to simply curtail all future space missions, which represent a total waste of time, finances and resources in anycase. Not that this will solve the current situation of space debris already reaching 'tipping point' levels.
@@iCore7Gaming Not with the likes of Elon Musk faffing about.
Hey, let's see the good side : Earth has a particle shield against aliens.
Aliens arent in space they are higher dimensions like ghost and spirits the spirit realm is the 4th dimension aliens can be 5th and higher
@ Aliens are any living beings who aren't native to our home planet. I guess that still fits your definition though, but aliens are still in our plane of existence
@ you shouldnt listen to someone taking LSD and making these thing up
@@jeanmarc9843 but it is I who takes the tab...😂😂 it's a different perspective of thinkin, research sacred geometry our universe is built on the construct of geometrical patterns, that's why hence they say we live in the matrix because everything is plasma energy ever see that static when you rub your hands together hella fast or balloons and hair or even just blankets it's not always friction, every atom in our universe are connected air is connected but we cant pull on it like rope ya kno but spirts gravity doesn't apply to them, it's all too hard to explain because to understand more than the normal person you have to understand that language is nonsense and we are telepathic beings that's why we can feel vibes of bad people or sense things are off we are all one we came from one thing which is think of a white circle we all share the same conciousness but each are souls, take that circle cut it in half then 4ths 8ths 12ths and cut it soooo small a billion different pieces that's all of us you see we are individual but we all come from one, no religion is wrong but nor are they right,
Jesus was a real person he turned water into wine because he was talented and knew how to create that because he had the knowledge of fermentation cuz who would randomly eat a rotting fruit...
Jesus was trickster and he wa sacrificed for everyone and they sins so things would change death was never suppose to be bad, its suppose to be a form of moving on but they scare us with illusion our soul is infinite but our bodies and ego are not we forget our memories and have different lifes it's great and we always are attached and connected someway
@ i want to know exactly what your on, so i can recommend it to my brother
I'd like to see all future satellites be designed to de-orbit themselves when they are no longer useful. Perhaps having just enough fuel to perform that final task. Or solar sails that could spread and use light pressure to force themselves back to Earth. Seems a lot cheaper than sending up spacecraft to intercept, take control of, and de-orbit used up satellites.
Irony.....when we finally have a space ship, we can't leave earth because of space debris.
@Nick Jorge nuke them
@Nick Jorge I think we should make a collecter and have the debris flung at the sun.
@Nick Jorge Yeah, I haven't quite worked around the actual collector yet. Although, aerogel did originally come to mind.
@Aakash 222. The radiation left in the atmosphere would likely kill anyone trying to fly through it or in it. That net idea In the video is a great idea. Also, satellites are made of very expensive materials that can be recycled.
It's perfect, greed and desire for power will be their downfall. Couldn't be better.
There may be a need for an independant international space sweeping organisation in the future. They could be paid like Earthbound councils and emloyees via a special international taxes.
It may be necessary, a special organisation devoted to cleaning up space junk.
I believe you hit the nail right on the head, Thats exactly what someones going to come up with. Independent of any other space agency. That was damn cool how you predicted whats going to happen in the future, And you are correct someone will eventually do that and they will be there own independent entity helping with there part to clean up our home mother earth and all the garbage that the space agency's around the world leave out there never to think of that stuff again once its job is done!! Someone eventually will take on that cleaning up challenge. *Many Blessings to you from the Native Munsi people my friend*
@TheSickOldToad
Space Janitor?
Sounds like United Nations agency. Too bad fascist turds (like one we just flushed) will refuse to fund it and will instead pollute even more...
Something like this is the way to go, I believe (if we are not already too late). It would be terribly impractical to make all launchers to implement a 100% way to get rid of their debris, let alone to remove some inactive debris, but establishing a centralised organisation that takes care of debris and forcing everyone who wants to put something into space to assign some funds into that organisation (a little if that launcher implements removal of his own stuff, much more if he does not) should be possible in principle.
@TheSickOldToad XD well said
Is it reasonable for Nestle, CokeCola, P&G, and all the other packaging, container and bottle use in their products to be responsible for putting increasing options for recycling and waste management of their products? One could argue the consumers become responsible for the materials, but consumers should not be responsible for the actual waste management, only for proper disposal, yet these companies do not contribute anything in any of this infrastructure. In space most satellite companies have moved on and the consumers of these satellites are the clients and all their clients, say for telecommunications, etc. As with plastics, we all end up footing the bill, until corporations are held accountable of their products and services on a universal scale.
I've experienced the UGLY. In college we had a "Public Relations" course where it was basically taught how to effectively lie for corporations, based on previous disasters' case studies and more (needless to say I got sick and changed majors). Imagine what they teach in expensive schools like Harvard... It's enough to just see some of the TED talks, for example, and the huge discrepancy of upvotes to downvotes in favor of evil ideas - which people seemingly find "genius". That's why there are serious theories that human kind will never get through the Great Filter (because we'll self-destruct, blah).
"is that reasonable" im pretty sure it is considering we live our entire lives being told to clean up after ourselves LOL
"is that reasonable?"
if only we lived in a world where this was an unreasonable question that never needed to be asked.
taken to other fields : should battery manufacturers and solar panel producers handle their inevitable waste?
the answer is obvious and easy to say: yes!
capitalism needs a better saddle and bridle.
but all the companies think of is "*MONEEEEEE*"
I doubt anyone will care to clean it up, just look at our oceans :(
People are trying to clean it up, but yeah people don’t seem to care
@@anamewoah5336 There's a lot of apathy. But there ARE good efforts being made. Recycling didn't come up until about the 1960's. Before that, straight to the landfill.
"Some of them are pretty clever.... like.... using nets" 🤣 10/10 most clever ideas
100% u make the mess u clean it
The book Exo in the Jumper series does something neat about this. Set in a completely ordinary world, there is basically one family that has by inexplicable reason achieved the ability to teleport. They imagine being in a place, and they find themselves there. In Exo, the fourth book of the series, one of them decides to use this ability to make some money and she gets small satellites up to space for cheap. Being a good hearted person, she also promises to remove space debris of the same mass as each satellite she puts up there.
This was good info.
okay.
Maybe if RUclips's "Impulse" show/series were to continue, they'd eventually get there.
Video: Are We Too Late To Avoid Kessler Syndrome?
Me: *Looking at the video seeing its a year old* **INTENSE SWEATING** I hope not
0:23 you have no idea how GOOD it felt to hear someone say German words so beautifully pronounced.
I know a dude with a funny mustache who would agree
Виктор Амди lmao
@@AnonD38 I thought this was a lovely pun. Seems nobody else agrees. Here, have my like.
Big chunk: around 10000
Small chunk: Millions of little pieces
Morons who done it: lots
What are you talking about?
That's not a junkyard, that's our Planetary Defense System!
Good luck Aliens trying to navigate a fleet through that mess... 😉
0:39 RUclips's compression: aight imma head out.
Its no wonder why E.T.s havnt come to earth. Between the junk in space and garbage in the oceans, they probably are scared we might polute more of the solar system or even polute the galaxy if we don't smarten up.
I think it's always reasonable to expect people to clean up after themselves. Sad, though, it'll take companies losing millions to collisions before anything is really done. 😓 Humans are slow learners
Just greedy.
Slow learners? Nah, the elites just have ZFTG about anything except money and power.
I mean, a lot of the debris up there isn't even from currently existing companies. You're not just asking companies to clean up after themselves, you're asking them to take a loss to clean up after other people who made the mess before them. Hell, some of the stuff you're asking them to clean up is from the early space programs of various countries, not even from a given company.
That's why, if you want space to actually be cleaned, you'd probably need to have countries put a financial incentive on doing so. Pay companies a bounty for debris they knock out of orbit, and charge them a penalty for debris they leave in orbit.
@@CatacombD Or charge them a fine. You want to put a 1 ton object into space, you must remove at least 1 ton of debris. *shrug* It's just the price of doing business. And why should taxpayers foot the bill? Just as you said, you'd be asking us to pay to clean up after people who left a mess long before me. It's not unreasonable to ask companies to take care of the trash left behind by other companies. If they bought real estate on Earth, they pay to tear down and clean up what's there before building something new. Same principle.
@@CatacombD This is a clear example of why the current business models are flawed though too...
Once the orbital (etc.) manufacturing economy gets started, it'll be easy to clean up though too. At that point most heavy industry will probably leave Earth (and simply make deliveries "back home")... 🤔
We barely clean up the ocean which is economically reasonable. When it costs millions to send 1 rocket to space, and your job is to basically be space janitor and make 0 profit? Yeah, not gonna ever happen.
Actually, there’s millions to be had with all the precious metals used in the making of these satellites
@@1Knightwolf Once reaching space is cheaper and more commercially available for people? You can be sure there will be space pirates collecting all these unused satellites to sell for scrap.
It'll happen once that syndrome occurs! 😅
That's a lot of money at stake!! So while the pay is next to 0, the stuff already in orbit is not. That's incentive enough for them to do it at some point...
@@1Knightwolf lol you'd never recover the metal
thats why regulations exist, otherwise, child labor is hella profitable and exploitable, so why not?
"this is something we need to do but there isn't a lot of money it it so we arent going to do it" - this seems to be a pretty common general flaw in capitalism.
I think the statement that there isn't a lot of money to made in it isn't entirely true. Maybe in short term, but in the long term it would certainly be worthwhile.
@@donder172 The problem is, capitalism only cares about the short term. Take climate crisis as an example.
What about the other countries putting stuff up into space like China? Everyone is so quick to blame the US or capitalism of every problem (capitalism is the best weve come up with as humans btw). Why aren't you blaming communism or anyone else, they are also guilty, doesn't seem to be a flaw specifically associated with capitalism.
Either there's money in it or people are forced to do it, one way or another you aren't gonna make people do something they don't want to.
I think one of the most viable solutions to this problem would be a 'light curtain'. We know in a vaccuum that light and radiation exerts pressure, otherwise solar sails would not work.
My thought is that we could easily make laser-diodes of a sufficient strength to penetrate the atmosphere, and make a 'curtain' of light set at an angle. We can use captured solar energy for these 'curtains', and adjust their angle so they essentially have a 'sector'.
The running theory, is that the laser diodes, while not supremely powerful, would exert enough pressure on the small pieces of debris (1-10mm) to deflect their orbit or retard their speed to where gravitational influence of the atmosphere would pull them down and burn them up.
We would not have to put them in orbit themselves, we would just need to put them on an elevated surface above the cloud level and there are several countries with mountain ranges that would be viable (The US has Hawaii, Canada has a place, Japan, ect.)
It would also be 'cheaper' seeing as we would not have to construct and launch several vehicles to set it up in orbit and potentially add more debris.
If there was larger debris that we needed to remove, stuff we could actually 'target' we could have the curtain on 'gimbals' and converge all the smaller laser diodes into a focused spot with computer targeting and increase the pressure.
The downside is the time-frame. It may take weeks, or months, maybe even years to slow heavier or faster moving objects in this manner given the amount of energy that the object would have to accumulate during its orbit. (we are talking nano-newtons worth of force from ONE laser in the 1-2w range. So we would need a substantial number of higher watt lasers, and be able to focus them)
We could even have it use current aeronautical and GPS tracking tied in with NASA databases to make sure we DON'T target orbital objects we want to keep (computer calculated 'off' periods to allow orbital stations and tracked satellites to pass without collision with the laser walls)
Even if we don't use it on larger objects and we choose just to use it like an orbital broom to remove 'smaller debris', it would still be effective since it would be able to slow the particles so they burn on their own. We would not have to constantly target each individual grain in orbit, we would literally use it like a net, shining the beams up out of the atmosphere and letting the debris collide with it, rather than trying to aim the beams to collide with the debris. Even if they weren't on a gimbal or anything, it would gradually 'erode' a path through the debris field. Which could be enough to carve us a particular window through the debris field to launch further clean-up missions of a higher-efficiency.
There is also the possibility of a moon-based laser, but that is a bit riskier, since we would be 'skimming' along the edge of the earth from a great distance if it was on the moons surface, and we have no idea if the flickering light from hitting the debris would refract onto the surface of earth, or potentially 'skim' off atmosphere like aquatic erosion on stone.
1) I wish we were at a point where we could actually collect the bigger pieces/tech and recycle them in orbit into parts for the ISS or a future space station.
2) space debris is an urgent problem: much like on earth.
We have made an artificial rings system around earth
Wow that is actually pretty cool! hope all the debris would be on the rings...
@@rilluma hope so
"Fantastic film gravity"
Gravity might have been visually impressive but don't confuse it for a film that has any basis in reality or is anywhere close to good.
The concept of gravity is correct. The speed at which the cascade occurs is absurd
It was a really bad movie. I love the roasting Neil deGrass Tyson did on the "physics". The only thing impressive about the movie was the special effects, even though the physics was wrong.
@@SkepticalCaveman It was a stupid movie with a predictable and incredibly simple storyline. And yeah the physics were all wrong but I saw it in 3D at the theater and it WAS good eye candy, but that was about it. And the actors, really? George Clooney (too old to be an astronaut), and Sandra Bullock (we're supposed to take her seriously, really?) Lol
@@trevorjameson3213 At 52 Clooney was not too old to be an astronaut, in fact most astronauts, particularly non-mission specialists, are around that age as their experience is just as valuable as their physical fitness.
So, Planetes anime gonna become real at some point huh.
for anyone wondering why the quality drops its just a bitrate issue
You mean responsibility? Whoa, revolutionary dude!
*-Space-Age-** Garb-Age*
poor earth get a ring made out of rubbish
if everyone cleans their own satellites then it can be done
"If everyone cleans the space in the front of their door on earth the earth will become a lot cleaner"
Somewhere in the Sahara desert a dude see´s your comment
Looks out the Window
Dude: Oh hell no
I think your opinion at the end of the video is a bit utopian. It basically assumes that the process to developing a rocket capable of sending things to orbit is simple.
What if you are capable of sending things to orbit, but unable to rendezvous? Implementation of such a rule would enable big already established space companies to dominate as new competitors would be "required" to deal with their space trash as they are developing their base technology to get to space.
What about all the debris from the cold war and many years after that? who should clean that up??
In short... It doesn't tend to be as simple as: it's your fault! you clean it!! problem solved
0:55 the compression makes the quality look awful, just shows how much is up there
Anyone else having Wall-E vibes after watching just how many Satellites are up there currently ? We could end up like the Earth in Wall-E someday :"(
It’s, sad, that this has happened so quickly..... We need to use space for thousands of years, and hopefully hundreds of millions..
Hundreds of millions? Two million years ago we were lower primates. Humanity as we know it won't resemble us in the least even 10 million years from now.
Kid: I don't wanna clean my room!
Parent: *Slap*
Astronaut: Can we clean this debris away?
Parent as CEO: I don't wanna clean my planet!
The economical solution would be for the companies to be fully liable for their satellites. But the government will probably rather burn a lot of tax money to create a speculative market like they did with emission certificates.
“The fantastic film ‘gravity’” - Oh wait - you’re serious.
I'm allowed to like a film! haha
Didn't that movie have good reception? Plus praise for being way more scientifically accurate than most big movies?
The Chinese hitting that defunct satellite with a missile to show that they can sure didn’t help
I'm not an economist, but I've come to believe that those in power won't do anything due to costs, as you mention at the end. There are a bunch of us at the moment wanting to change things in a big way, for instance climate change issues. So there are many who care, others who believe it not to be urgent, others event can't believe it to be since they've been fed talking points in that direction. All I know is, if the Kessler Syndrome will occur, then it maybe too late to change anything. Sad is in my eyes that we always have to put a price on everything. Clean air or clean water and for technology, clear skies are important, let's see what get's cleaned up and what won't be.
Thanks once again for your great videos!
I barely ever thought about space junk. Having watched space since Alan Shepard went up and then came down, this comes as no surprise.
The danger is a bit over stated...yes, many many things: but pause for a moment and ask how it is there have been so few serious impacts. It's actually pretty hard to get two things to hit each other in orbit: they must be at the same altitude in the same location at the same time, but...like cars on a freeway...they need to have the same speed to be in the same orbit. If they are crossing each others orbits (but are at the same speed) it becomes like hitting one bullet with another: but, if they (or at least one of them) are in an elliptical orbit the lifespan of that orbit is limited.
When people talk about all those tiny objects it is also often forgotten that the vast majority are natural...and temporary. More junk arrives every day from 'elsewhere'...and tons of it falls to the Earth, again, every day.
But millions of things criss-crossing each other a dozen times a day means collisions will be uncommon but not rare, we've already witnessed this, also any collision can increase the amount of debris up there by up to 5% that is an exponential gain that could eventually lead to a cascade where a couple million objects turn into a couple billion and render space travel to dangerous to attempt. Especially if something the size of the ISS was hit.
@@krashd Yes...but I am saying the danger is overstated. A rocket still has way more chance of just blowing up than it does of getting hit by something. Also remember that when a collision happens the vast majority of debris are in unstable orbits and will not last long.
@@jamesnewcomer4939 When collisions happen debris flies out in every direction, much like any other catastrophic impact, maybe 40 percent will head straight into the atmosphere and 40 percent will break orbit and never be seen again but 20 percent will fly around the planet in bands of varying angles and speeds meaning that it only takes one, just one, collision to possibly create that cascade and we've already had one collision.
It doesn't matter how rare the event is if that single event has the potential to become the main event, and we've already had an event.
That's pretty scary, that's like fearing an extinction-event asteroid while knowing that one skipped off the atmosphere less than a decade ago.
@@krashd I'm not saying it's not a mess; or isn't in need of cleaning up. I'm saying that the risk is being over stated. Even given your 40/40/20 numbers most of the 20% left in orbit will not be in a stable orbit and will decay (periods of decay will very). Remember there is only one 'speed' for each orbit that is stable and anything that is the wrong mass will take away the wrong amount of energy to create a that 'speed'...and then it needs to also have the matching direction (making it a velocity) to become a stable orbit.
There is also what I like to call the soufflé effect: where most things in orbit have a very high mass to structure ratio...so if something small hits it fast enough to do real damage the object will just pass right through and not do that much damage.
id say around 3487 pieces of junk
Edit: Bruh
Will Starlink’s 12,000 satellites be enough to push us over the edge? Or will it only push us closer?
what's certain is they will annoy astronomers
STarlink satellites are designed to clean up after themselves. They take up an altitude that is exclusive to them. They are designed to de orbit before they run out of fuel and also come with a collision avoidance system. Even if one of the starlinks fails completely and cant de orbit itself, it will naturally de orbit over a span of 10 ish years and not hundreds or thousands.
@@The1sert1 still 12 thousand more objects we have to look at now and there closer to the earth.
We should learn more about Spider Webs so that we can capture all this debris as if they were small bugs
If this interested anyone, there's a great Manga/Anime called PLANETES about space debris collectors. One of my favorites.
Awesome video. The Earth is huge though, and mathematically, Kessler Syndrome won't happen for many, many years, and by that time the problem will be solved with drones.
I think it's entirely reasonable to responsabilize a company for their own trash.
God, mankind is moving towards so many irreversible hellscapes, it's so depressing
I just made a graduation work exactly about this. I covered everything in this video. The problem is bigger than most actually think because its so dangerous for astronauts outside of the ISS. Great video keep up the great work
if that thing that hit the iss cupola window was just a little bigger they would probably be more than "only mildly conerned". The astronauts there got some serious balls, you gotta give 'em that
Think about how idiotic that premise is: what material could stop another when the velocity differences are measured in thousands of kilometers per second (lets ignore the density differences and similarity of orbits). Wouldn't matter if they were sitting in a tank, the space station protects them no different than a blankie, no?
I did a simiar thesis at college 22 years ago. It is quite alarming by how much space debris has increased...
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A 2006 NASA model suggested that if no new launches took place the environment would retain the then-known population until about 2055, when it would increase on its own. Richard Crowther of Britain's Defence Evaluation and Research Agency said in 2002 that he believed the cascade would begin about 2015. The National Academy of Sciences, summarizing the professional view, noted widespread agreement that two bands of LEO space-900 to 1,000 km (620 mi) and 1,500 km (930 mi)-were already past critical density.
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In the 2009 European Air and Space Conference, University of Southampton researcher Hugh Lewis predicted that the threat from space debris would rise 50 percent in the next decade and quadruple in the next 50 years. As of 2009, more than 13,000 close calls were tracked weekly.
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A 2011 report by the U.S. National Research Council warned NASA that the amount of orbiting space debris was at a critical level. According to some computer models, the amount of space debris "has reached a tipping point, with enough currently in orbit to continually collide and create even more debris, raising the risk of spacecraft failures". The report called for international regulations limiting debris and research of disposal methods.
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By the late 2010s, plans by multiple providers to deploy large megaconstellations of broadband internet satellites had been licensed by regulatory authorities, with operational satellites entering production by both OneWeb and SpaceX. The first deployments occurred in 2019 with six from OneWeb, followed by 60 227 kg (500 lb) satellites from SpaceX in May, the first satellites for the project Starlink. While the increased satellite density causes concerns, both licensing authorities and the manufacturers are well aware of debris problems. The vendors must have debris-reduction plans, and are taking measures to actively de-orbit unneeded satellites and/or ensure their orbits will decay naturally. In October 2020 a researcher estimated that up to 2.5% of Starlink satellites may have failed in orbit a rate which appears to be decreasing but which could still be significant. [wiki refers]
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Someone seriously needs to cut-off the balls of Elon Musk, one of the biggest threats to this planet's biosphere.
@@ностромов *Nostromov*
Crewed space missions are mostly at 400 km (250 mi) altitude and below, where air drag helps clear zones of fragments. The upper atmosphere is not a fixed density at any particular orbital altitude; it varies as a result of atmospheric tides and expands or contracts over longer time periods as a result of space weather. These longer-term effects can increase drag at lower altitudes; the 1990s expansion was a factor in reduced debris density. Another factor was fewer launches by Russia; the Soviet Union made most of their launches in the 1970s and 1980s. ISS is at an orbital altitude of 408km (253 mlles), thus in a relatively 'safe zone'.
@@Deebz270 It's 7/4/24 and I just read this piece. It opened MY eyes! I'm glad there is awareness and mitigation. Many Thanks !
Trump should clean that up and make Mexicans pay for it.
I presume by Gravity movie being 'fantastic' you meant that it's indeed a fantasy, not a sci-fi.
why do you care so much about that to comment on a video that's barely related with the exception of a single reference?
@@lucaslucas191202 it's not like I went to a post office and sent a letter, is it?
Harvesting defunct satellites...
Government: Ahem! That's our property.
Harvester: You can have it back when you reimburse for cleaning up your litter.
just remember when watching this. these objects are spread throughout space. 200,000,000 objects larger than 1mm. Okay. Did you know if you dropped a dart on the earth you wouldn't hit one of the 7 billion people 99.9% of the time?
The vastness of space these objects occupy isn't fathomable by most people who think we're being reckless.
"close" in satellite terms is measured in miles, not inches.
It is more than reasonable. It's common sense. It only shows how trashy we are. Till there is a lost of life will something be done which is very sad.
Not even loss of life will make any difference if it costs are too high.
@@MountainFisher Which is evidenced by the numbers of politically inconvenient/alternative economic lifestyle/lower reflectivity peoples being trophy hunted by the masses in random RPG encounters in the USA.
so is it our fault Kuiper belt is a thing because last i check humans didn't put a bunch of pebbles in space
0:47 And, so I said, "millimeter"
"We seem to be nearing the threshold" Source? You used an unrelated quote afterwards from JAXA and provided nothing else.
Here in Saudi Arabia, we are getting ready to launch our kessler syndrome missile.... they will reach 118 miles high, they are filled with 2 million aluminium jax..they explode at 118 miles up... we have 3 of them, after this summer there will be no new launches from anywhere for centuries.
Ah ok my guess of how many objects orbiting the Earth is 200,000,000, 1,900 of which are active satellites.
Excellent as always!
the 'genius' elon musk solution: add tens of thousands more satellites to speed the process toward kessler syndrome. i would die laughing if his stupid mars colonisation was indefinitely postponed because we can no longer safely launch rockets from earth.
Elon Musk is a spoilt 13 year old boy in a grown man's body. Just constant stupid, stupid childish ideas (like launching cars into space........GREAT use of resources Elon) and yes, everyone calls him a genius.
The Mars thing makes me so mad...
@@brynnplant Regular test rockets launch a block of concrete or steel...
Launching his own car makes better publicity and inspiration.
And the car is not in earth orbit so it doesn't add to space junk.
Welp guess we're gonna go on a ship while robots clean the earth
instead of rushing a mars program long before its ready elon musk should invest his billions into creating some kind of space garbage scow that can orbit and pick up debris as it does so. this would make it easier for various space programs to do anything and ultimately save countless billions of dollars
and NOW imagine that rus-space-nuke which will est. launch in late '24.. we are so fucked in space then..
Gravity had a science logic of a 1st grader. Makes me mad you actually mentioned it as a "fantastic film" in a video such as this when that shitty movie got absolutely everything wrong.
Collect them together, add a bit and built a Dyson Sphere ??
lmao. good one.
Gazillions of junk. It's very difficult to estimate
Using the real technical terms, right here.
Why is noone talking about all those terrible MPEG artifacts orbiting the Earth?
Anyone remember when India thought it would be a great idea to demonstrate their ability of sending missiles into orbit by shooting an old satellite, leading to tens of thousands of new pieces in varying orbits, significant danger to the ISS because it was difficult to track the debris of the chaotic explosion the first few days and collective facepalms (and worse) from scientists all over the world?
You may be interested in the series "Planetes" from 2004.
0:43 Earth’s Artificial Ring System.
earth actually used to have rings
after Theia just came outta nowhere, doubled our core size, and made a huge mess. the debris started orbiting around earth in a ring pattern, and as time went on, they came together and are *now the moon.*
@@jockeyfield1954 Shut up
@@ortherner Why? I think it was interesting.
@@amazuri3069 I’ve heard that exact same paragraph 999 times and i’m tired of hearing it
@@ortherner Sorry then
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For the point at the end of the video, I think that there's little concern for that potential catastrophe, and no real push to lower the odds, not because of the human nature linked to money but rather the idea that we tend to subvert parts of society and life in order to solve issues more than commit to a direct solution. A good example of this is going from horses- which were so prevalent that they threatened to drown US cities in their excrement- to automobiles, which then threatened to drown the world in water. We're now on our way to solving this by converting cars into a healthier format.
Most higher-up people probably see it as only a distant issue, and probably have the relatively safe assumption that something will change in the future- presumably for only a partially related reason.
Just some food for thought.
1:40 I like how you can clearly see where geostationary orbits are, lots of GPS satellites on that red ring.
I would like to see more of your videos on alpha centaury system , possibility of life and planets discovered 😊😊
This is totally crazy, now there is plastic also in space!!!
Stardust_O and metal pieces from 2nd stage rockets.
We could set off nuclear bombs in the upper atmosphere to incinerate the waste... wait...we already did that once...
Wouldn't do anything in the vacuum of space
@@1adamgriffin1 No, you are wrong. They sent nukes up into the Ionosphere and a less than a megaton explosion shorted out radios and their signals for thousands of miles. Pissed off Eisenhower over Hawaii's problems.
Nuclear bombs wouldn't do anything good like incinerating waste or deorbit debris. It would just break satellites turning them into space junk. Close small space debris would just ablate a little bit of their material, either increasing or decreasing their orbit. Batteries could explode, creating more space junk.
Took me a year to find the true solution:
very large magnet
@@megamode The problem is the objects are moving extremely fast. If you get a magnet near them at most you just deflect their trajectory a little bit. At worst you collide or heat debris up so they explodes, creating more debris.
You can't pick up debris as if they are lying on a table and you move a magnet over it. It's more comparable to picking up supersonic jets or bullets with magnets.
Except if you match the orbit of the debris, but in that case you can do it without the magnet anyway.
Lasers are a solution, because they can be directed from far away and you don't have to match orbit. They could hit the pieces on the front, which ablates some of it, acting like a little thruster which slows the pieces down. Slowed down pieces get lower so they can burn up.
Humans and rats: a couple of the messiest and wasteful creatures, but unlike rats, humans have a choice whether or not to be slobs.
Where's Elon When you need him?
I like the last experiment, but would innovate further:
instead of having a single unit attach a 'Disc' with thrusters on it to a defunct object, maybe treat it like a pezz dispenser.
So, have multiple 'Discs' housed in this device which goes around slapping these 'Discs' onto objects forcing junk into the atmosphere for burnup.
Maybe these 'Discs' could be used for multiple objects before finally committing a final self destruct dive.
Or maybe have these discs navigate the object away from earth orbit to a LaGrange point to be used in the future for a recycling effort. I like this best. And damn any nation/ company who claims IP infringement (you know what I mean) on any salvaged items. If they truly cared, they would collect it themselves, or create a self destruct sequence with their remaining few percentage of fuel on the device.
Then, in the distant future, we send up a 3D printer satellite (or one of many) which can harvest materials from all the collected debris, melt it down and print something new and useful... like the start of a Dyson sphere, or parts to create manufacturing equipment for larger space-craft/ mining vessels or something.
This was fun... anyone else have some cool ideas?
And this is just from a lay person who enjoys reading Sci Fi; as I look at it like a window into the future.
No worries, Elon is helping. He will be sending in 40.000 sats trying to generate some money from sat internet.
Ow... and those sats will hang there for a while when they stopped working after a couple years, but no worries... he will keep launching at a rate of 40.000 sats per 5 years to keep Starlink up and running.
And if things really get too crazy... he will send in some Starships that will scoop up all the debris like pacman and then launch everything again. What a great guy, isn't he? :)
We’ve caged ourselves
Maybe now we can learn to get along
yeah like thats happening