DIMMs the way I see it! A Threadripper Pro Memory Ramble
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03:53 Unbuffered ECC is exactly the same error correction as registered ECC. The only difference between unbuffered and registered DRAM is the existence of a buffer for memory access commands that allows a memory controller to access more chips than it otherwise could. Having a register allows you to increase the capacity of the DIMM. It doesn't affect the nature of ECC.
Since it buffers commands, it also adds a bit of latency, so if you want ECC but don't need a ton of capacity, unbuffered is the way to go. Just make sure you can deal with a limit of 32GB per slot, because that's the maximum unbuffered DDR4 size on the market.
On a side note, if you're buying a server anywhere near the boundary between two DDR versions, you should get as much memory as you think you'll ever need right from the start. If you wait until you've grown into the need for more memory, you might discover you simply can't find it. I've had a number of DDR3 servers which were difficult to upgrade because DDR4 came out not long after the servers went into production, and getting that DDR3 memory years after the fact was problematic. The same is likely to be true with DDR4 servers after a few years in the new DDR5 era.
more useful content in 1 short comment, than the entire 15min self-important god damn video
I had to update a server from 64gb to 128gb earlier this year. Turns out the older cpu it has does not recognize new ddr4 with higher speeds at all. Fortunately my vendor found some old stuff lying around but it would have been so much cheaper to buy that when ordering the server.
Always over spec servers and workstations. The hardware is going to be used much longer than you can plan requirements for.
Comment did not age well re: DDR4 vs DDR5 generations. DDR4 is the cheapest it's ever been, and plentiful.
@@shammyh It hasn't been long enough to talk about the comment aging at all. Don't be so ridiculous.
I love the 4D chess move of letting the GPU waggle like a tail to trigger all OCD people out there, ENGAGEMENT ENGAGED
This video really could have benefitted from which NPS (interleaving) setting in BIOS to apply for different memory channel populations and configurations. How much can that affect performance, and why, along with general guidelines/ additional settings to be aware of and follow.
TDLR: Put away your childs RGB bling memory and use real Adult memory. An excellent and instructive video as always, Wendell.
Ordering the same part numbers sounds like a good plan, unless you buy Crucial. Three times now I've ordered multiple sticks and received products with the same part numbers but VERY different, INCOMPATIBLE revision sticks within. Merely adopting a version is a crappy way of dealing with single/double sided DIMMs that have the same part numbers.
Enjoy all your videos thanks for spreading the knowledge 👍
Just what I needed to watch. Thank you.
6:17 I lol'd. Thanks Editor Amber.
Thanks for the video explaining different types of ram! Didn't see it coming on a TR pro 5000 video :p.
Wondered if Buildzoid was gonna get a shout out, for his current "What memory timings do" series. As you didn't I hope I can here.
For those who don't know what timings mean, but wish to invest a little time, this is proving very informative (hardly ever talked about and mostly misunderstood):
ruclips.net/p/PLpS0n7xxSadUJE1fEuWfEMGvmMsVYGAbA
Good idea shouting him out. Definitely one of the best sources of hardwear knowledge out there
@@oliverdavies8369 also rambling :D
@@emperorSbraz this is the main reason i dont watch his content. he rambles too much and doesnt get to the point. he'd be an awful college professor lol
@@farawaythrower That boy isn't half-grown, yet! Give him another 10yrs to polish his communication skills. He'll be just fine. 🇺🇸 😎👍☕
I just love those sort of video, high quality content and photoshop and excel animation :) 3x hura for Wendell :D thumbs up!
Haha I'm building my new DL workstation. I've already done a spec out on the components but it's very comforting to watch the L1 videos here and see them come to the same conclusions I did about assembling a Threadripper Pro system.
That's THE MOST Dad joke title I've ever seen. 🤣🤣
Love how you put the Wood Grain gpu in the slot with it not connected to any riser. Looks great but damn it looks horrible just flapping around every time the table moves.
I couldnt keep my eyes off of that lmao
@@farawaythrower I had the same issue trying to listen - but my eyes and attention just kept going back to the flop flop flop :P.
Those RAM part numbers you talked about were very familiar. Installed thousands of those exact Samsung and Micron dimms in servers over the years at work xD
You the man. Love from Spain
Great video, you look fitter than before, keep up the good work.
Editor on point with the animations! 😂
Absolutely 5 star animation!!! Pixar, eat your heart out!!
oh boio, that simple explanation of registered memory just clicked, never thought of it that way, cool!
08:52 You can actually buy 256GB DIMM's as an individual (i.e. they are in stock right now), but it costs around $3000 per DIMM. There's a brand called NIEMIX available for $2400 right now, too.
So getting 2TB into a Threadripper Pro system will cost you $20K+ just for the memory.
You know what, I think that's still cheaper than a mac.
16GB->32Gb=$400
2TB/16GB =125
125*$400=$50,000 worth of macbook upgrades
Yup, Lmao.
I have my go to DIMMS from Kingston. They are unbuffered ECC 3200 C22 with DJR chips. Excellent overclocking, density, and PRICE!
Good info!
Any difference in CPU boost frequency when loading up the memory to 1-2TB? Have seen guidance around that on EPYC
The GPU on the right side wiggle like a happy golden retriver !
Almost time for devember!
I needed this. However, a easy readable table of what kind of ram for what kind of workload would be nice. Also, is this any differend with say the 3960x (non pro)? I'm waiting to upgrade my TR rig for the DDR/PCIe 5 platform.
The gpu didn't let my concentrate in what Wendel was saying
lol u think that gpu is trying to tell us something , if its like a dog tail , shaking like this mean its happy?
@@sy5tem "I am going to be such a good boy and serve this monster of a computer so well! It's going to feed me all the data I want and we are going to run so fast". **Tail wiggles**
Im going with two epyc processor's based on your videos. Keep em coming.
: Where did you get the PCIe card holder brackets on you aluminium extrusion "case"?
14:45 "there is no competition in terms of raw performance" - also very little competition in terms of damage to wallet for non-server quality gear ...
Everyone always forgets about the NVDIMMs...
So close now to getting my web server and databases operating from memory using zfs, man what a mission it's been.
We are all trying to avoid thinking about the fact that Intel is shutting down Optane Persistent Memory line, which was a major blow to the market for those.
I have a 3945wx that I use for Davinci resolve but also gaming, streaming, and other programs, would increasing my 128 gb RAM from 2666 to something faster be worth while, or should I just wait and grab a desktop cpu with ddr5 ram in a year or so?
i also what to know where your user guides can be found can you put a link to find them?
I guess with total memory encryption and the price of everything to boot it, I would use ECC registered for sure... all slots filled always better, it's like a full ssd, its slower and more latency when it's full than new and empty.
what is that case you got there with the wooden front panel?
how to get 3200mhz like x.m.p in normal motherboard compare to wrx80e ?
Hold up. I'm not in the same class as real pro level 1 tech folks but I know I want more PCIe lanes. In looking at the ASRock MB for TR Pro, that you reviewed, at Micro Center along with the 16 core variant of TR Pro. It's spendy but I think it's doable. I have 64 gb (4 16 gb sticks/DIMMs) Crucial DDR4 3200 CL16. Would that work okay to start with? Also, I have to enable "XMP" in order for it to go that speed in my current system. How does that work in TR? Thanks!
Watched this hoping to find out what memory to use for a Creator R2 WRX mobo with a 5975WX CPU. The ASRock website is useless. What can I buy please if I go with this mobo? Just posted in the forums. Tryin to order parts just now.
Is the "dual rank is higher load on the memory controller" thing a reason why the 5800X3D has lower memory speeds with 4 DIMMs?
level1 could you do a video topic i watch it was out of date . It was how to setup a NAS and game machine on the same machine thx
How about an ECC U/R/LR DIMM OC guide? :)
Well, DIMMS the facts.
Woodgrain ThreadRipper Pro?
LGR approves
Have you tried Intel DCPMM DIMMS just for Schitt's and giggles?
RIP controller's legs.
Woot!
15:06 I don't want RGB on my Ram period, but I couldn't find any without it. 🤬 I like green PCBs.
Put Wendel in front of a camera to a make vid and does fine; he's natural, etc. Put him on front of a cam to do an interview the way he did recently with PC World and god-mode is activated. It's like a very natural environment for Wendel.👍
XMP UDIMM or JEDEC ECC?
Why not both?!
You can OC your ECC. You might not get such crazy numbers as if you had expensive XMP, but 3200 CL16 should be reachable. It will even fix single bit errors and log them so you will see when it's close to becoming unstable.
Both of the DIMMs you took screenshots of show 2933MB/s. Are they really 3200Mhz?
The question of thermals remains however. In server, there is air flow going over memory. Not that much in case of desktop. How would you manage it?
I don't know much about RAM thermals, but I guess you could get some decent air cooling. Depending on the case and the placement of the RAM slots. Whether or not it would be sufficient enough I presume also depends on how many sticks will be used. Would love some proper information on this.
probably a spare fan and some creativity
3D printing air funnels is something that I keep seeing people do. Hell, even servers often have air funnels that go over the memory, too.
This humor was SO dry it evaporated before I figured it out.
Nice ramble, I'll point this video out the next time I think about explain memory to the technically challenged. Be careful moving that system, the GPU is shaking its ass every time you touch the table.
I was planning to woodgrain my black case for my upcoming pc just like that, now I am going look like I am copying you.
Man, with 2 TB of RAM I could open 3 whole Chrome tabs.
I bought 256GB Kit (8 x 32GB) DDR4-3200 PC4-25600 ECC Registered Server Memory by NEMIX RAM. I am hoping that will be sufficient. I do know it works it posted On a 5975WX. My intentions? I am going to have my entire O/S boot from RAM & build software in RAM. I do have 11 NVMEs in multiple PCIE cards and at least 8 Mechanical drives to drop in. I have built Linux-based Operating Systems since 2006. IMHO it does justify the cost.
Is there ddr5 ecc on the market yet? I haven't seen it. Intels server platforms are a mess right now so maybe there's no demand for it.
I thought DDR5 was all ECC.
woodgrain = ultimate bad taste
Don't you need some support brackets for GPU ?
no he needs to add the pcie riser. Atm it is just bolted to the PCIe slots on the case
The thing about memory ranks is, if you have more of them you get a bit more performance due to rank interleaving, but the memory controller can only handle so many. When it comes to servers, the speed you're able to run the memory at goes down as the rank count goes up.
When building servers, you often want to get _single_ rank DIMM's so that you're able to use more DIMM's overall without dropping the memory controller clock. You'll still get plenty of rank interleaving, but across multiple DIMM's per channel instead of on a single DIMM. At least, that was the case with Xeon servers over the past dozen years or so. I've gone with EPYC for a few years now, and haven't had to even check whether rank count was an issue, due to there being so many memory channels (i.e. for all relatively normal capacities - 512GB or less - you can get away with a single DIMM per channel, meaning you might actually _want_ dual-rank DIMM's).
2 Ranks per channel is always the optimal amount for any CPU since 386. Achieving this through single or 2 memory DIMM's will result in the same performance as long as the timings are correctly configured. Separate DIMM's typically have more channel reflective issues which result in lower frequency potential. More than 2 ranks per channel does not result in more performance. Memory chip density also plays a large part in performance. High density memory chips are much slower than standard density chips. For DDR4 systems 4Gb or 8Gb chips are ideal. 16Gb are "high density" and reduce performance.
@@NVMDSTEvil More than two ranks still adds performance, provided the memory can still run at the same speed. It's just not significant - typically less than 1%.
@@TrueThanny no, performance increase beyond 2 ranks is not possible. A performance change would indicate a stability issue or configuration error for the tertiary timing set.
@@NVMDSTEvil That's simply incorrect. More than two ranks per channel can increase performance, though it's certainly possible that some memory controller designs don't take advantage of that.
@@TrueThanny none do, it is literally a function of timings. Only a buffered topology (FB Dimm for example) would change this as it could offer a different burst length per rank.
A handsome system like that deserves fancy castors or a castor delete
Do you ever use older hardware to build servers? I have always had a home server for the past 20 years, but they are always my older PCs. I am currently turning my old gaming build into one. It is a AMD FX 9590 with 32GB of DDR3(4 sticks) and a SSD system drive. I have my two 4TB HDDs from my old server in it now. I would be interested in neat ways to get the best out of it. I have considered undervolting the CPU since it is a power hog and NEEDS Liquid cooling. Although it is a very nice CPU for the time. Innits day Inhad a stable OC of 5.1Ghz with a 240mm RAD. I camt really think k of anything else I could do to make it better as a server, but that isnwhy I was wondering if you had any ideas.
Yeah, I can see why you can't use that as your main PC any more but are you sure it's not too old and weak even for a server?
PS, I read that as a RYZEN 9 5950.
Someone's been watching Bildzoid
ram rambling without buildzoid? is this actually hardcore threadripping?
Love this!
What case is that? Wood grain looks nice
I believe that is a Fractal Define XL. Wendell added the wood grain himself! ~Editor Autumn
@@Level1Techs found the video! Pasting it here for posterity.
ruclips.net/video/5qVA_dT-1A4/видео.html
engagement
Not really convinced - not clearly stated exactly why (disadvantages, consequences etc) I shouldn't use desktop memory in this platform 🤔🤔
Wendel, I have a lot of respect for you and the work you do as well as your opinion, but I gotta say the title of this was quite DIMM witted...........
VM, Nas, unraid , plex, windows server> Are the same thing? also is dual boot better than VM? im trying to dig myself out of this rabbit hole lol
All of those are completely different things, yet can behave somewhat like each other in varying ways. VM = Virtual Machine, which runs an entire OS using virtualization and hardware passthrough (if your hardware supports it). NAS is just networked attached storage, which is what an OS provides. This is what unRAID provides (among other things) and can run inside of a VM or on bare metal. Windows Server would be equivalent to unRAID in this scenario but I have no experience with it. Dual boot just means the ability to switch between TWO or more operating systems running on bare metal. Neither is better or worse, it just depends on your use-case.
For newbies, I'd recommend just watching a bunch of videos on what type of NAS Operating System you'd like to run (be it unRAID, TrueNAS, OpenMediaVault, etc). Compare your level of experience and confidence, ability to tinker, etc to one and pick. I find that unRAID is a great choice for newbies and has excellent community support, and tons of videos on how to make it do what you want.
Why am I seeing an enermax cooler? Enermax is the devil.
anyone watching that gpu moving around and feeling like its not going to survive the system being moved :(
there is no PCIe riser under the GPU so it's just bolted to the case. He hasn't finished the build yet
Ram a lama ding dong.
Forgive me for not asking this question in the forum.
I have a question for Wendel.
I recently built a trx40 system with a 3960x, 64gb of 3200C14 GSkill FlareX, Single rank, 8x8gb, all 8 slots populated.
Memory is running at 3600mhz 16-16-16-15-34 with low sub timings.
Fclk is running at 1800mhz Mem=Uclk
Verified using Hwinfo.
Soc is running stable at 1.07v and memory passes a 100 percent memtest.
The system is used for editing (graphics cards do most of the heavy lifting).
My question is, would it be better for my memory controller to run the memory at 3200mhz 14-14-14-28 with low sub timings?
Apologies for the idiot sounding question immediately after this video.
I am only asking because I know that you would have much deeper insight than myself (my first trx4 platform).
Thank You!
For your case, better to have a higher FCLK
@@florin604 Thank you for the response.
I have tried to kick it up to 1900mhz but I could not get it to post.
Call me chicken but I am not comfortable pushing the soc voltage up much higher than the 1.07v it is at now.
Everything that I have researched and studied in the last three years tells me that the soc voltage is good up to 1.2v but I cannot unclinch my booty cheeks and kick it up in this 3960x.🙂
I saved up for two years to be able purchase this thing used.
Prices began to soar and I was afraid that I would not be able to finish my build.
Yeah...I know...I should just suck it up but I just do not have a good fall back if I **** it up. 🙂
"2TB of RAM should be enough for anyone". I wonder how this will look in 5 years.
Yup, when people are tired of running just one chrome tab.
They'll probably use more in high-end workstations and servers. but normal consumers aren't even close to needing that much yet even if memory usage increased by 1000% over 5 years.
Consooomers are OK with 8 GB and won't need more for a while
@@marcogenovesi8570 16gb just so the modern web browsers dont crawl.
@@jmwintenn I know it's a meme and all but no, not really
Am I the only one who is just fixated looking at that wobbling GPU on the server? :)
No, it's triggering most of the nerds here.
Just had two small corrections. You mentioned FAANG in this video, but I believe it is now pronounced "MAANG", as in "Damn it MAANG, they have all of my data". Also, you mentioned the "Linux", but I believe you were referring to GNU/Linux.
gosh all those people that correct to GNU/Linux make me so mad. GNU is only a small part of the OS, it would make more sense to say systemd/Linux as for most distros that's what constitutes the core of the userspace, not a bunch of commandline utilities or a compiler
@@marcogenovesi8570 I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
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tl;dr : it's for the meme
@@linuxpirate gosh all those people that correct to GNU/Linux make me so mad. GNU is only a small part of the OS, it would make more sense to say systemd/Linux as for most distros that's what constitutes the core of the userspace, not a bunch of commandline utilities or a compiler
tl; dr I can copy-paste for you too
that bottom gpu is wagging around like a dogs tail. pin it down better.
Looks like a salmon swimming upriver lol
it's not plugged in the riser
So triggered by that lol. Its got the power plugged in but nothing on the slot connection. :)
Flapping in the wind like a....
I just had a random thought. For a majority of users, does having more cores help the user more, or does it help the Spyware companies not get caught?
I remember when PC World were advertising the new Hyperthreded Pentium computers. Woman asks "why do I need two threads?" Sales man answers "So Norton can be checking for viruses using one thread whilst you are using the other"
"server memory just has a part number", gross. I'd love to try and tune server memory as an experiment but honestly walking in the dark while trying to validate 2tb of ram seems like hell on earth.
I find this video highly confusing. Wendell, please create a structured script for your videos and have it checked by a coworker. You want people to learn something after all, don't you?
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I'm the only one triggered by the wiggling vertical GPU in the case 🥲
no you are not. There is no PCie riser under the GPU so it waggles as it's only bolted to the case at the PCI slots in the back. He will have to put a PCIe riser under it if he wants to use it and it will hold it in place
User: Soo...what RAM, tickles your fancy?
TR 5XXX: Just gimme ALL of it... I got sockets to engorge