Interesting to watch for an old time So-Cal pilot. Once upon a time, the routing would have been, VNY - radar vectors V-186, intercept POM 164R, Prado, direct. Take you under (or over) the LAX finals, and then turn-n-dump into LGB. Thanks for the ride-along, Rich... enjoyed the flight.
Good stuff right there. There’s a big difference between currency & proficiency. And you absolutely can’t put a price on experience. Having you in the right seat was not only a smart move but also very reassuring for the other pilot. Your expertise was invaluable on that short hop. Great video Rich.
Great point about the squawk and a careful point to consider: readbacks aren't get out of jail free cards. In this case, a squawk is no big deal, but if you read back a heading or altitude wrong, and ATC didn't catch it, you still get violated. Readbacks are a safety courtesy, not legally protecting.
Great video Rich. The way you set up your route was so complicated to me as a non-pilot, but you handle it with confidence and ease (in so many different aircraft). Very impressive for sure.
Thanks. Not as complicated as it looks. Do it a few times and it starts to become clear. I have the benefit of flying foe 30+ years, instructing and doing these procedures over and over! Thanks for watching!
Caught the squawk code 4712 from the Controller and no correction when you readback 4711. Thought tower would correct it before Takeoff. But Departure caught it straight away. Really cool video. Van Nuys is always a tricky airport to depart from even when you're VFR.
Rich, love your videos! You sir have one of the coolest aviation jobs. Your content is different every time which keeps it interesting. Thanks for doing this as I know video editing is very time consuming.
Fantastic video Rich. When training for my instrument ticket my CFII took me to VNY several times to gain exposure to the complexity and speed with which things can happen when departing there. Of course each time I departed in a C172 I was given the fairly straight forward ADAMM THREE DP heading toward PDZ on a return to CRQ. Even so, as an instrument student it was stressful.
Thanks - it’s a handful for sure, and the combination of TEC Route and DP adds to it. Great place to learn as I don’t think it gets any busier than that! Thanks for watching!
Solid video...smart customer, train to my needs.....handles flying this new to them jet well, but with the performance this jet has, it is definitely a two pilot jet until strong experience IMO.
I lived for 20 years under approach to VNY. Loved it during airshow! We set up on flat roof over patio and had great views of show aircraft. Used to wash warbirds and clean hangers or do other chores in hopes of getting a flight. Worked often enough. Thanks for visiting VNY.
That VNY departure is tricky, also learned the hard way but luckily was on VATSIM but things went quick especially in a GIV with a climb rate of 3000ft/min
Thanks Rich…love the videos. I enjoy recreating these flights and flying them in the sim world. Quick procedural question concerning the Newhall1 DP that you discuss in the video. You discuss the left turn to 313 during the pre-flight briefing. Isn’t that turn only executed in the event of lost comms and the normal procedure would be vectors to IPIHO? Thanks again for all the great content.
It’s runway HDG until 2.2DME VNY then left turn to heading 113 for radar vectors for IPIHO. The clearance is Newhall1 TWINE then as filed. From my perspective, that gets confusing if you don’t load a transition (HEC or DAG) which are not mentioned in clearance and/or delete the wrong waypoints, you could turn right instead of left. Hope that helps! Thanks for watching.
Try a desktop sim using Garmin Avionics and a subscription to Pilot Edge. Great way to practice those IFR skills. My PVT pilot son is digging it with our home sim…Good luck
Hi, I am in high school, and my dream is to be a pilot and I am a little confused. Can you explain to me the flight plan with Way points at 1:42? Like instead of connecting all these way points from KVNY to KLGB, why can't you just make 1 straight line flight path from KVNY to KLGB? Hope you understand what I mean by this. Thanks! :)
Good question, mostly due to airspace and traffic flows. There are some large airports close by with lots of traffic arriving and departing so ATC has to keep all of that straight and use known routes and traffic flows. If we were in less crowded airspace, we could go direct from one airport to the next. Thanks for watching!
Rich, I’m based out of utah and I would like to fly into places like John Wayne and Long Beach more often. Each time I go I feel like there is so much I’m expected to know based off of local knowledge as well as the random constant rerouting. Am I missing something and filing flights incorrect? I take foreflights suggested routing every time. I’ve heard of tec routes but that seems to be from SoCal airport to SoCal airport.
I guess due to having flown out of KVNY for close to a decade now, I don't feel the Newhall dep proc is all that tricky. Where a lot of pilots make mistakes is knowing what to do with the MANSEQ in the system. We see a lot of pilots on the CANOG dep, turning erroneously for IPIHO (LOST COM ONLY ON CANOG). MANSEQ is "Manually Sequenced" meaning ATC will verbally turn you to a heading and altitude assignment. C'est la Vie, I suppose the ease I have here is due to familiarity. Another airport I hear pilots bone up the dep is KSMO off RWY 21 when they turn to intercept the LAX Radial rather than turning to the correct HDG.
@@FlyingwithRich I can see that. You guys hit the nail on the head with Exposing weak IFR skills due to lack of experience transitioning from GA (usually piston) to turbine and IFR dep/arv Procs. See that a lot.
What would happen if you put in your first waypoint as SLAPP, then DARTS stby for next. Wouldn't that give you the similar crosswind and vector to 080 to V459?
Not sure I follow exactly what you are saying, but I always enter the cleared route in the FMS because they could always clear you to a fix or leg on that route - fixes/legs progress quickly on that flight.
@@FlyingwithRich to avoid the issue of having the FMS command an unwanted turn to the right..... I'm really asking is will any fix that is less than 180 left of the runway heading result in a climbing left turn on departure?
Lets get the clearance, you want me to or do you want to do it? I KNOW what my answer would be!!! Great video, but that DP needs to be cleaned up for those who are not from the area or know about it. I'm pretty sure I would bust that one!
LA is one of the few places that has TEC routes (I think) so when combined with a SID gets complicated based on the clearance. It boils down to turning left or right initially off runway heading - turning the wrong way gets ATCs attention quickly!
We’re trying to figure that out - one of the reasons we took it to Long Beach. Engine runs were too hot so still working the problem with Pratt. Thanks for watching.
@@FlyingwithRich thanks for replying. Great accomplishment for him. I currently have 420 and cannot get any insurance to look at me till I get to at least 1000. Hours are on SR22T and M350
Really enjoyed the trip, Rich. I will comment on two things. 1. You should not have offered to get the clearance. He still needs the practice. 2. All this random talk while taxiing is just not safe!. Think Sterile Cockpit! The review of the route was excellent. No way would a pilot be able to do that routing easily the first time. By you sharing what was going to happen, the departure went very smoothly. Nice work!
What scares me is how quickly he said "you do it" on getting his clearance. That's not really the PIC mentality I would expect from the left-seat. Should have probably used it as a teaching moment to say 'let's do it together'. Always should be working on the muscle between the ears.
@Philip - No-one appreciates the smart armchair critic. They did the job just fine. And one needs to learn to multitask and get used to talking while managing tasks. Sitting in silence and focussing solely on the next process in the chain, is not realistic in aviation. Why don't you fly your way, and respect others the same freedom?
@Philip this isn't a Part 121 operation... If you can't multi-task enough to have a conversation while taxing a mile to the runway you're probably unfit to fly. They briefed the departure plenty enough to have a little chat before departure. You should refrain from your smart armchair comments and take better care of your toes and not upload such disgusting content to RUclips. I regret visiting your channel to check your aviation skills.
@BigWheelHawaii - Would not bother me in the slightest. Most people are open minded enough to know that one's facial hair style is no indicator of skills, knowledge and integrity. Super-slick, suited, clean-shaven sales people make me squirm and have tended to be less trustworhy.
Another great video Rich. That departure was crazy! Loved the cockpit banter/convo.
Nice flying with you again Rich!
Ah! 15:40 747 across the airfield. Didn’t see your question until after the video reading the full description. Very cool. 🤩
Interesting to watch for an old time So-Cal pilot. Once upon a time, the routing would have been, VNY - radar vectors V-186, intercept POM 164R, Prado, direct. Take you under (or over) the LAX finals, and then turn-n-dump into LGB. Thanks for the ride-along, Rich... enjoyed the flight.
Thanks - I did that route a few time as well. Thanks for the comments!
Bwahaha....I remember that routing. Good times.
Good stuff right there. There’s a big difference between currency & proficiency. And you absolutely can’t put a price on experience. Having you in the right seat was not only a smart move but also very reassuring for the other pilot. Your expertise was invaluable on that short hop. Great video Rich.
Great point about the squawk and a careful point to consider: readbacks aren't get out of jail free cards. In this case, a squawk is no big deal, but if you read back a heading or altitude wrong, and ATC didn't catch it, you still get violated. Readbacks are a safety courtesy, not legally protecting.
Really enjoy the videos. Loved the departure explanation details. Great learning experience.
Thank you. Glad you got something out of it.
Living the dream of many. Congrats!
Thanks for watching!
Great video Rich. The way you set up your route was so complicated to me as a non-pilot, but you handle it with confidence and ease (in so many different aircraft). Very impressive for sure.
Thanks. Not as complicated as it looks. Do it a few times and it starts to become clear. I have the benefit of flying foe 30+ years, instructing and doing these procedures over and over! Thanks for watching!
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I enjoy watching your videos! Thanks for sharing your adventures.
Amazing channel. Thanks for your commitment to posting quality videos. I aspire to be a student and customer in the future.
Great video! Love the edits and color grading! Keep em coming!
Thank you!
Caught the squawk code 4712 from the Controller and no correction when you readback 4711. Thought tower would correct it before Takeoff. But Departure caught it straight away. Really cool video. Van Nuys is always a tricky airport to depart from even when you're VFR.
I honestly thought they screwed up the squawk code until I listened to the video. Amazing how the mistakes can happen. Thanks for watching!
i really enjoy the variety of aircraft you fly and really enjoy your videos! I used to fly a King Air 200 and G-2 out of Van Nuys a great airport!
Rich, love your videos! You sir have one of the coolest aviation jobs. Your content is different every time which keeps it interesting. Thanks for doing this as I know video editing is very time consuming.
Thank you! Glad you enjoy the videos.
Fantastic video Rich. When training for my instrument ticket my CFII took me to VNY several times to gain exposure to the complexity and speed with which things can happen when departing there. Of course each time I departed in a C172 I was given the fairly straight forward ADAMM THREE DP heading toward PDZ on a return to CRQ. Even so, as an instrument student it was stressful.
Thanks - it’s a handful for sure, and the combination of TEC Route and DP adds to it. Great place to learn as I don’t think it gets any busier than that! Thanks for watching!
I was laughing a little on the departure. Between the multiple amendments and the banter…it was pretty good.
Thanks for watching - yeah it got a little funny!
Awesome video, very helpful! Thank you.
Solid video...smart customer, train to my needs.....handles flying this new to them jet well, but with the performance this jet has, it is definitely a two pilot jet until strong experience IMO.
I agree - thanks for the message!
Another sweet paintjob!
One of my favorites on the Mustang!
I lived for 20 years under approach to VNY. Loved it during airshow! We set up on flat roof over patio and had great views of show aircraft. Used to wash warbirds and clean hangers or do other chores in hopes of getting a flight. Worked often enough.
Thanks for visiting VNY.
Thanks for sharing and for watching our videos!
12:25 the best way is to attend flight safety seminars and help building on your knowledge.
That VNY departure is tricky, also learned the hard way but luckily was on VATSIM but things went quick especially in a GIV with a climb rate of 3000ft/min
So cool. I need to check the sims out. Thanks for watching!
Love your videos, always instructive and informative.
Thank you!
That left turn on the departure is for lost comm only, doing that when in radar contact would get a phone number
Not sure what you mean - I didn’t rewatch the video, but I believe we were on an IFR departure procedure which is a left turn.
Nice one Rich,...
Thank you!
Good video, thank's and nice greetings from germany 😊
Greetings! Thanks for the message!
Great honest videos as always 👍
Thank you..
Fly safe always.
Excellent - again
Thank you!
Great video yet again,👍
Thank you.
Thanks Rich…love the videos. I enjoy recreating these flights and flying them in the sim world. Quick procedural question concerning the Newhall1 DP that you discuss in the video. You discuss the left turn to 313 during the pre-flight briefing. Isn’t that turn only executed in the event of lost comms and the normal procedure would be vectors to IPIHO? Thanks again for all the great content.
It’s runway HDG until 2.2DME VNY then left turn to heading 113 for radar vectors for IPIHO. The clearance is Newhall1 TWINE then as filed. From my perspective, that gets confusing if you don’t load a transition (HEC or DAG) which are not mentioned in clearance and/or delete the wrong waypoints, you could turn right instead of left. Hope that helps! Thanks for watching.
I’m ready Rich
Try a desktop sim using Garmin Avionics and a subscription to Pilot Edge. Great way to practice those IFR skills. My PVT pilot son is digging it with our home sim…Good luck
Need to try that. Thanks for watching!
Hi, I am in high school, and my dream is to be a pilot and I am a little confused. Can you explain to me the flight plan with Way points at 1:42? Like instead of connecting all these way points from KVNY to KLGB, why can't you just make 1 straight line flight path from KVNY to KLGB? Hope you understand what I mean by this. Thanks! :)
Good question, mostly due to airspace and traffic flows. There are some large airports close by with lots of traffic arriving and departing so ATC has to keep all of that straight and use known routes and traffic flows. If we were in less crowded airspace, we could go direct from one airport to the next. Thanks for watching!
@@FlyingwithRich Thanks so much! :)
I do this very route with a different departure out of BUR to TOA, multiple times a week.
Nice! Thanks for watching!
@@FlyingwithRich SoCal flying is fun if you know the ins and outs. Would love to come chat next time I’m in LGB.
Please stop by!
The Dagget transition is not given because it does not lie on your route. Why would they?
Thanks again for the ride Rich. Lots of great information. Any experience, advice and tips Mustang vs to Phenom 100?
Thanks. I prefer the Mustang - mostly because I think it will hold value better in future. Both great airplanes though.
Rich, I’m based out of utah and I would like to fly into places like John Wayne and Long Beach more often. Each time I go I feel like there is so much I’m expected to know based off of local knowledge as well as the random constant rerouting.
Am I missing something and filing flights incorrect? I take foreflights suggested routing every time. I’ve heard of tec routes but that seems to be from SoCal airport to SoCal airport.
What type of airplane?
@@FlyingwithRich Piper M600
Give me a call or e-mail and I can give you some points or fly down with you sometime.
I guess due to having flown out of KVNY for close to a decade now, I don't feel the Newhall dep proc is all that tricky. Where a lot of pilots make mistakes is knowing what to do with the MANSEQ in the system. We see a lot of pilots on the CANOG dep, turning erroneously for IPIHO (LOST COM ONLY ON CANOG). MANSEQ is "Manually Sequenced" meaning ATC will verbally turn you to a heading and altitude assignment. C'est la Vie, I suppose the ease I have here is due to familiarity. Another airport I hear pilots bone up the dep is KSMO off RWY 21 when they turn to intercept the LAX Radial rather than turning to the correct HDG.
Confusion I see is the DP joined to a TEC and a fix that could lead you to a right turn instead of left. Thanks for the message and watching!
@@FlyingwithRich I can see that. You guys hit the nail on the head with Exposing weak IFR skills due to lack of experience transitioning from GA (usually piston) to turbine and IFR dep/arv Procs. See that a lot.
Now fly back to VNY on a vfr flight following under the bravo shelf 😉
Getting back to VNY from LGB is pretty easy IFR. Not sure I would try it VFR in a jet!
Caught the 747 at 15:44!
Liked the video right away)
What would happen if you put in your first waypoint as SLAPP, then DARTS stby for next. Wouldn't that give you the similar crosswind and vector to 080 to V459?
Not sure I follow exactly what you are saying, but I always enter the cleared route in the FMS because they could always clear you to a fix or leg on that route - fixes/legs progress quickly on that flight.
@@FlyingwithRich to avoid the issue of having the FMS command an unwanted turn to the right..... I'm really asking is will any fix that is less than 180 left of the runway heading result in a climbing left turn on departure?
that was great
Thank you!
Lets get the clearance, you want me to or do you want to do it?
I KNOW what my answer would be!!!
Great video, but that DP needs to be cleaned up for those who are not from the area or know about it.
I'm pretty sure I would bust that one!
LA is one of the few places that has TEC routes (I think) so when combined with a SID gets complicated based on the clearance. It boils down to turning left or right initially off runway heading - turning the wrong way gets ATCs attention quickly!
@@FlyingwithRich
I could imagine!!!
747 (Virgin?) @ time 15:41.
☑️👍LA traffic is a bi*#@ as even at 10,000 feet. Nice video Rich.
Good way to put it! Thanks for watching!
Why not just depart KNVY VFR then do the VFR corridor over LAX then direct Long Beach?
The corridors have limitations.
What was with the ITT warning? Yellow at 828. It usually goes yellow at 830? Why?
We’re trying to figure that out - one of the reasons we took it to Long Beach. Engine runs were too hot so still working the problem with Pratt. Thanks for watching.
@@FlyingwithRich: Ah, I see. Love your vids man! Keep us posted.
Do you guys mind sharing how many hours the pilot had when he transitioned from the Diamond to the M2
I think he had around 400 hours in the 62. Thanks for watching!
@@FlyingwithRich thanks for replying. Great accomplishment for him.
I currently have 420 and cannot get any insurance to look at me till I get to at least 1000. Hours are on SR22T and M350
Insurance is tough right now. Hopefully this cycle will change soon. We’ve had pretty good luck with insurance on Mustangs under $2M.
@@FlyingwithRich that’s interesting. Thanks for the tip.
Really enjoyed the trip, Rich. I will comment on two things. 1. You should not have offered to get the clearance. He still needs the practice. 2. All this random talk while taxiing is just not safe!. Think Sterile Cockpit! The review of the route was excellent. No way would a pilot be able to do that routing easily the first time. By you sharing what was going to happen, the departure went very smoothly. Nice work!
Thanks for the feedback!
It rotates at 70 knots??
No that was V1 or decision speed.
Automation overload confusion.
What scares me is how quickly he said "you do it" on getting his clearance. That's not really the PIC mentality I would expect from the left-seat. Should have probably used it as a teaching moment to say 'let's do it together'. Always should be working on the muscle between the ears.
:))))
Van Nuys and the San Fernando Valley look like a giant trash can.
Thanks for watching!
literally one minute in there is a freaking commercial! RUclips commercials are annoying AF.
Sorry about that. RUclips Premium is a great option!
@@FlyingwithRich If you're providing a free subscription, I am totally down! lol
Someone needs to tell these guys about sterile cockpit procedures. Just saying.
You just did.
@Philip - No-one appreciates the smart armchair critic. They did the job just fine. And one needs to learn to multitask and get used to talking while managing tasks. Sitting in silence and focussing solely on the next process in the chain, is not realistic in aviation. Why don't you fly your way, and respect others the same freedom?
@Philip this isn't a Part 121 operation... If you can't multi-task enough to have a conversation while taxing a mile to the runway you're probably unfit to fly. They briefed the departure plenty enough to have a little chat before departure. You should refrain from your smart armchair comments and take better care of your toes and not upload such disgusting content to RUclips. I regret visiting your channel to check your aviation skills.
Shave,,, You Are Selling Multi-million Dollar Airplanes,,,
Can’t do it!
@BigWheelHawaii - Would not bother me in the slightest. Most people are open minded enough to know that one's facial hair style is no indicator of skills, knowledge and integrity. Super-slick, suited, clean-shaven sales people make me squirm and have tended to be less trustworhy.