I was Valstrax, and man I did not regret staying in this game, I mostly was looking around the map for important things to ping and I hope I got some contribution for this game. Thanks for the cast Gyle, that was an epic worthy of its name.
You did really well considering the situation. The only thing I could think of was asking for support from Tryth, since he seemed too focused on Terarii. And maybe starting with a few titans when reaching T3, since they are fast moving, fast firing and have a shield. Great for harassing superior numbers and buying time for the percys. I mean this as a constuctive comment, not to citicize you. Well played.
I think that behaviour should be standard. An extra pair of eyes to keep tabs on radar, flanking maneuvers, enemy construction projects or large massfields that are ripe for reclamation sounds valuable.
You certainly did. If Kavat of the enemy team was not so stupidly slow-reacting with his ASFs, it would not have made that much of a difference though. Kavat's air play lost Team 2 the game imo. Else the GCs would have come too far for Team 1 to bounce back like they did. Also, Kavat decided to just not destroy the most important structure of Team 2 wiith his GCs and Harbingers: Team 1s Airfield.
@Gyle , the UI mod "ui party" gives an overview of how many t1, t2 and t3 mex you currently have (even showing which ones are upgrading). Shows quite a lot of other stuff aswell, but you can disable that in the setting of the mod
50:00 Kavat misses an opportunity to gut the air grid. He had enough left in the field to force a dilemma on Tryth, and either way it probably would have resulted in crippling air production or water's attack might have reached the Dukes. After that point though, Team 2's land pushes, already attritional, were of increasingly dubious wisdom.
Kavat made one mistake after the other. Really frustrating to watch especially since his team mate did such a great job with pressuring his opponent north-east.
Lol His team mate lost the game on his own by dumping unlimited amounts of mass... All he killed with his 20 gc's was defensive structures.... Sorry but you miss interpret the situation
@@nein4599 Defuq? Obviously, that was not the most intelligent strategy and he could have gone for T3 Artillery more too pressure the Air Field. But he had units on the ground and needed Air Support. He made a great effort in having map control but his teammate never reacted fast enough against the Walers. It is as clear as day that if his team mates reacted to the walers much earlier by not camping with his ASFs at the bottom of the map, the GCs would have had much more effect with completely ruining the opponent waler strategy by ruining their eco. It even was close at the end and they had way less metal to work with but Kavat decided to bail out of the game the easy way: Tele-Suicide your COMM into nothingness. Especially in the beginning where the opponents had almost no ground units that could challenge the GCs. I am not sure, if you paid attention to all the stupid stuff that Kavat did but there was a hell of lot of that.
Sorry, do you play the game? I certainly do. Kavats reaction was too slow, in that one you are right, for gunships there is one simple counter, it's called flak.... He could have easily dealt with this situation on his own, but the main failure of the game was the mass dump! By the way there opponents mentioned it in the comments as well.... Believe me, I know what I am saying, I have some 8k games or so
@@nein4599 Yes I do play the game and there was a bunch of flak in there if you look carefully. But the really needed assistance from team air. Obviously the mass dump was a problem, but it was not the ROOT of the whole problem. The mass dump would have by far not been as easily acccessible as it was, if the GCs were left with more HP to press and more units like harbingers coming behind them. Like this, the GC were not even able to delete many important factories of the opponent. Just because the opponent mentions the ressource dump does not state anything about the greater problem, which in my opinion was Kavat. He was just not there, when it mattered.
I played SC about 15 years ago and loved it, now that no one is really doing the genre good any more, ive taken a look at these casts and ive gotta say, theyre so entertaining!
I don't consider this a comeback tbh. This was more of a throw by a player who had all the cards, but threw them away (literally, with giant mass donations) in his dogged determination to keep following the same ineffective strategy. He had the eco to build his own air facilities, or more standoff weapons, or more ground anti-air. He didn't use it, instead just sending wave after wave of ground pushes.
Yep, those support commanders advancing with the GCs should have been spamming down SAMs to counter the gunships. How long would those whalers have lasted circling over continual AA attack?
Dunno if I missed something, but I'm surprised water didn't go for nukes. A couple of nukes before his GCs hit would've made a big difference. Coulda even nuked his own GCs when they're getting swarmed by Wailers, seeing as how he was treating GCs like they're just bigger Harbingers.
pretty sure bottleofwater got cocky and decided to try and win the hard way. At one point he tells his teammate to stop assisting a T3 arty, because water decided to stop building it.
Painful watching Kavat and his lack of response to almost everything going on. Bottleofwater did amazingly well despite his team mate offering all the support of a chocolate teapot.
It's funny that the ONE TIME I have time to watch a Gyle cast right when it comes out is the ONE TIME that Gyle gives us permission to throw it into the Watch Later list :P
Your tangential commentary is just the best thing. These little quips and anecdotes that lead in completely unexpected directions. Never change. The hair commentary was unhinged, but funny; and the after-the-fact realisations that some things sound overtly lewd, yet seemingly never trying to appeal to outright crudely sexual humor is also pleasant, because it's not too on the nose. Great use of the Megalith at 45:20. Seeing Soulrippers is rare, but they are completely undervalued, when your team has air superiority. I consider them better than Czar.
In the Supcom world, "green" doesn't mean ecological hardware, it doesn't mean the color of the circuit boards, it refers to the robots' lack of experience in mechanical murder
I think donating mass is a bit simplistic. It's closer to optimal to spend the mass to gain territory/position. If they had better air they would have won.
28:20 Bob Marley and the Wailers; after Marley died, they carried on as The Wailers. They're still going, as far as I know, though I don't think any of the original members are still there.
1:06:45 oooh I see a large gathering of strats in the bottom right. Exciting, that can be a decisive strike. T1 should have their ACUs in different ponds.
i'll always like for gyle ego Team 2 really got a bad case supcom head in that match, they spent a solid 30 minutes mass donating GC's and an infinite swarm of engies and shields for no major gains (got close at one point) while holding a massive eco advantage. They should have identified that T2 was pretty turtled and switched to arty or even leaned into air production. Of course after 30 mins of this game the brain tends to turn a bit mushy.
This. I watch at 2x speed as a spectator, so I'm pretty fresh for the whole game... but these guys have been playing 1x speed or SLOWER, constantly bouncing between eco, macro, and micro... it's a game of endurance as much as it is of skill.
Do you know Calibers icon mods? Make looking at mexes and their level way clearer. Also makes other key structures stand out - radars, HQs, nuke, antinuke
Gotta hand it to them for never giving up. Im most RTS games losing that much that quickly normally prompts a mass leave. Supcom players built different i guess.
It's not often you see someone throw out a completely new strategy these days, bottleofwaters engie+mobile shield backed with static arty is not something I've seen though :)
They needed more mobile AA. They both just let T3 gun ships walk all over them. Cougars and lightening tanks would have ate them up. You get enough like 40-50 of them, you kill all the gunships and help your air player win.
Legit was railing about 3/4's of the way through the video about how Tryth and Terarii were both done for. The overwhelming force headed their way, and the clean sweep of the north to the pond had me calling game over. Absolutely did not see them coming back and winning. Shows you the difference between 2200-2400's and an 1800ish. I've seen this time and time again. They'll weather the storm, hold out, reach critical mass, then push out with overwhelming force. Remarkable to see. And Gyle since you say you like the abuse, I wish you a very heartfelt f**k you. :P
First of all, BOW BEFORE SUPERIOR UEF STEEL! Second, finally some proper Fatboy usage. Keep them alive, they are fragile. Third, the chat from T1 was really great.
what a disappointing match.....i really hate that kavat threw the match for the team....they should have focused on making air and winning air and then bottle would have crushed the land forces leading to a win.......so so so disappointing that kavat didn't work with the team and basically went afk for the whole match just about.
Bung would be akin to a mix of chuck it into or bundle it into or smash it into. Or even plop it into. Bung is probably a more short hand casual version of all of these as a sentiment
"can you kill their gunships". when you need to ask that while your team doesn't have air, your strat ain't working. "i'm not building the arty". when you have the lead, that's saying "i wanna throw the game". dude's sub 2k for a reason.
Tryth was a massive jerk the entire game, to everyone. It's these kinds of players that make multiplayer unfun. Kudos to Valstrax for staying in the game and helping his team. Was a shame that Kavat didn't do well in the air game, and he basically did nothing all game with his units right up until he decided to nope out, threw away his air force, and teleported his comm into certain death. Bottleofwater did quite well on the ground right up until Kavat left and air was completely lost.
Wow, Tryth was consistently obnoxious throughout the entire game. I was rooting for Team 2 from the moment Maitz got ejected purely because of how Tryth was behaving in the chat.
Same. Tryth was a massive jerk, to everyone. Was a bummer that Kavat threw the air game and did basically nothing all game, because BottleOfWater did quite well on the ground game right up until air was completely lost.
@eamonnholland5343 Agreed. There was that moment early on, about the time Bottle had the first GC coming in on the right hand side, Kravat could have taken out the gunships if he had of made his move, he would have lost his fighters for it, but the GC's could have punched through into the base that had the T3 arty. Which would have saved his air factories. Still it's easy to say that with full vision and hindsight, not in the heat of the battle LOL. Either way it was a good game. I always enjoy the Gyle casts.
Kavat threw the game. Could’ve went for the air factories chose not to on multiple occasions. Didn’t help water was donating mass but man gunships need a health nerf. Them tanking multiple sams shouldn’t be a thing but that’s just me
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man, that tryth sure is a kind and level headed soul
I was Valstrax, and man I did not regret staying in this game, I mostly was looking around the map for important things to ping and I hope I got some contribution for this game.
Thanks for the cast Gyle, that was an epic worthy of its name.
You did really well considering the situation. The only thing I could think of was asking for support from Tryth, since he seemed too focused on Terarii.
And maybe starting with a few titans when reaching T3, since they are fast moving, fast firing and have a shield. Great for harassing superior numbers and buying time for the percys.
I mean this as a constuctive comment, not to citicize you.
Well played.
I think that behaviour should be standard. An extra pair of eyes to keep tabs on radar, flanking maneuvers, enemy construction projects or large massfields that are ripe for reclamation sounds valuable.
You certainly did. If Kavat of the enemy team was not so stupidly slow-reacting with his ASFs, it would not have made that much of a difference though. Kavat's air play lost Team 2 the game imo. Else the GCs would have come too far for Team 1 to bounce back like they did. Also, Kavat decided to just not destroy the most important structure of Team 2 wiith his GCs and Harbingers: Team 1s Airfield.
Good to see Tryth making the games community look just great, kind and welcoming. Really makes me want to jump right in.
bottleofwater named himself that for the SOLE reason to make Gyle say bo'oh'o'wa'ah true British way.
@Gyle , the UI mod "ui party" gives an overview of how many t1, t2 and t3 mex you currently have (even showing which ones are upgrading). Shows quite a lot of other stuff aswell, but you can disable that in the setting of the mod
This
Thank you
Grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory lesson 1
When 3 GCs dont work, and 5 GCs dont work.. maybe try stand-off tactics instead of funneling more GCs in?
50:00 Kavat misses an opportunity to gut the air grid. He had enough left in the field to force a dilemma on Tryth, and either way it probably would have resulted in crippling air production or water's attack might have reached the Dukes. After that point though, Team 2's land pushes, already attritional, were of increasingly dubious wisdom.
Kavat made one mistake after the other. Really frustrating to watch especially since his team mate did such a great job with pressuring his opponent north-east.
Lol
His team mate lost the game on his own by dumping unlimited amounts of mass... All he killed with his 20 gc's was defensive structures.... Sorry but you miss interpret the situation
@@nein4599 Defuq? Obviously, that was not the most intelligent strategy and he could have gone for T3 Artillery more too pressure the Air Field. But he had units on the ground and needed Air Support. He made a great effort in having map control but his teammate never reacted fast enough against the Walers. It is as clear as day that if his team mates reacted to the walers much earlier by not camping with his ASFs at the bottom of the map, the GCs would have had much more effect with completely ruining the opponent waler strategy by ruining their eco. It even was close at the end and they had way less metal to work with but Kavat decided to bail out of the game the easy way: Tele-Suicide your COMM into nothingness. Especially in the beginning where the opponents had almost no ground units that could challenge the GCs. I am not sure, if you paid attention to all the stupid stuff that Kavat did but there was a hell of lot of that.
Sorry, do you play the game? I certainly do. Kavats reaction was too slow, in that one you are right, for gunships there is one simple counter, it's called flak.... He could have easily dealt with this situation on his own, but the main failure of the game was the mass dump! By the way there opponents mentioned it in the comments as well.... Believe me, I know what I am saying, I have some 8k games or so
@@nein4599 Yes I do play the game and there was a bunch of flak in there if you look carefully. But the really needed assistance from team air. Obviously the mass dump was a problem, but it was not the ROOT of the whole problem. The mass dump would have by far not been as easily acccessible as it was, if the GCs were left with more HP to press and more units like harbingers coming behind them. Like this, the GC were not even able to delete many important factories of the opponent. Just because the opponent mentions the ressource dump does not state anything about the greater problem, which in my opinion was Kavat. He was just not there, when it mattered.
7:29 This is why I watch Gyle - where else could you get an extended digression on the nature of hairiness during your SupCom cast?
This had me going, relatable!
I played SC about 15 years ago and loved it, now that no one is really doing the genre good any more, ive taken a look at these casts and ive gotta say, theyre so entertaining!
I don't consider this a comeback tbh. This was more of a throw by a player who had all the cards, but threw them away (literally, with giant mass donations) in his dogged determination to keep following the same ineffective strategy. He had the eco to build his own air facilities, or more standoff weapons, or more ground anti-air. He didn't use it, instead just sending wave after wave of ground pushes.
Yep, those support commanders advancing with the GCs should have been spamming down SAMs to counter the gunships. How long would those whalers have lasted circling over continual AA attack?
This was typical Joe game. Full of mistakes and bad decisions. Waste of time - again.
Dunno if I missed something, but I'm surprised water didn't go for nukes. A couple of nukes before his GCs hit would've made a big difference. Coulda even nuked his own GCs when they're getting swarmed by Wailers, seeing as how he was treating GCs like they're just bigger Harbingers.
pretty sure bottleofwater got cocky and decided to try and win the hard way. At one point he tells his teammate to stop assisting a T3 arty, because water decided to stop building it.
@@matthewlund7807 could be, even just nuking the mass field would have been economical given how much mass was in it
The refusal to spam AAA is just mind boggling
SERIOUSLY. I wanted the guy to lose because of that and he did
Painful watching Kavat and his lack of response to almost everything going on. Bottleofwater did amazingly well despite his team mate offering all the support of a chocolate teapot.
It's funny that the ONE TIME I have time to watch a Gyle cast right when it comes out is the ONE TIME that Gyle gives us permission to throw it into the Watch Later list :P
Oh, and bottle did really well building up his eco, he knew he is unbothered, so he upgraded on the "contested" ground like crazy.
Your tangential commentary is just the best thing. These little quips and anecdotes that lead in completely unexpected directions. Never change.
The hair commentary was unhinged, but funny; and the after-the-fact realisations that some things sound overtly lewd, yet seemingly never trying to appeal to outright crudely sexual humor is also pleasant, because it's not too on the nose.
Great use of the Megalith at 45:20.
Seeing Soulrippers is rare, but they are completely undervalued, when your team has air superiority. I consider them better than Czar.
Damn that Tryth and Terarii guys are insane
Wow that was a tense game. Really enjoyed it, thank you players and Gyle!
In the Supcom world, "green" doesn't mean ecological hardware, it doesn't mean the color of the circuit boards, it refers to the robots' lack of experience in mechanical murder
I had no idea, all those years I voted for the wrong reason for those guys and I alway wondered why there was no all out robot war...
@Gyle There is a mod called "ECO UI Tools" that shows in the top how many mexes the player has, and which are upgrading.
I think donating mass is a bit simplistic. It's closer to optimal to spend the mass to gain territory/position. If they had better air they would have won.
7:05 now thats a clutch block. 38:00 is why this game will never grow too old though, nothing quite like this.
Tryth really got a 10/10 for micro right there. Literally facetanking for a teammate
The way of the turtle is STRONG with those two! Good on them lol
28:20 Bob Marley and the Wailers; after Marley died, they carried on as The Wailers. They're still going, as far as I know, though I don't think any of the original members are still there.
The Wailers were Bob Marley's band, Gyle
1:06:45 oooh I see a large gathering of strats in the bottom right. Exciting, that can be a decisive strike. T1 should have their ACUs in different ponds.
Gyle blesses us once again
i'll always like for gyle ego
Team 2 really got a bad case supcom head in that match, they spent a solid 30 minutes mass donating GC's and an infinite swarm of engies and shields for no major gains (got close at one point) while holding a massive eco advantage. They should have identified that T2 was pretty turtled and switched to arty or even leaned into air production.
Of course after 30 mins of this game the brain tends to turn a bit mushy.
This. I watch at 2x speed as a spectator, so I'm pretty fresh for the whole game... but these guys have been playing 1x speed or SLOWER, constantly bouncing between eco, macro, and micro... it's a game of endurance as much as it is of skill.
Now that is a game worthy of the Epic title. Awesome
34:44: GC cannot tracktor-beam SACUs, which makes them a good option against it
You're thinking of "Bob Marley and the Wailers".
that has to be my favorite game you have casted
Do you know Calibers icon mods? Make looking at mexes and their level way clearer. Also makes other key structures stand out - radars, HQs, nuke, antinuke
Gotta hand it to them for never giving up. Im most RTS games losing that much that quickly normally prompts a mass leave. Supcom players built different i guess.
This is one of my favourite youtubers 👍
Love it Gyle - best of wishes man
chat at 11:07 😂
I like these smaller games, more tactical and less mindless spam. This one would be perfect if the generator didn't spam out as many mex points.
Noob here. Is there some reason not to spam out vast fields of sams if you have ton of eco but you've lost airsup?
Why is the experimental notification app not working in game for you?
Good game, but frustrating. Lots of missed opportunities. Super surprised water gave up on the T3 arty -- and told teammate way after?
It's not often you see someone throw out a completely new strategy these days, bottleofwaters engie+mobile shield backed with static arty is not something I've seen though :)
man, why didnt they put mobile t2 aa into the mobile shield spam?
im a simple man. i see gyle, i click gyle
They needed more mobile AA. They both just let T3 gun ships walk all over them. Cougars and lightening tanks would have ate them up. You get enough like 40-50 of them, you kill all the gunships and help your air player win.
Is there a specific race that's better in sn area ie Air/land
Team 1 is playing a tower defense game in the end, bottleofwater was suffering from supcom head I think
Legit was railing about 3/4's of the way through the video about how Tryth and Terarii were both done for. The overwhelming force headed their way, and the clean sweep of the north to the pond had me calling game over.
Absolutely did not see them coming back and winning. Shows you the difference between 2200-2400's and an 1800ish. I've seen this time and time again. They'll weather the storm, hold out, reach critical mass, then push out with overwhelming force. Remarkable to see.
And Gyle since you say you like the abuse, I wish you a very heartfelt f**k you.
:P
Bob Marley and the wailers. You can't forget that
Bob Marley & the Whalers 😁
U know its a pro rated game when every decision is right
Doesn't aeon have teleport SACUs?? water could have teleported to team 1's water and spam build torp launchers?
Frustrationen ❤ what is red doing? Help Blonde when GC attack. This aint time to be weak
what time is it ? Its GYLE time , ou yeaaah
First of all, BOW BEFORE SUPERIOR UEF STEEL!
Second, finally some proper Fatboy usage. Keep them alive, they are fragile.
Third, the chat from T1 was really great.
best caster in the game gyle
Bob Marly and the Wailers
this game was indeed experi mental
my broth was quite upspoiled
The Wailers is still a band and played with Bob Marley
very interesting!
have you considered covering BAR too?
Why didn't the Harbingers at 18 minutes have shields?
Were probably turned off. You can turn the shields off to save power.
29:30 - we are already in the third millenium
God fights on the side of the best Artillery.
Hi Gyle Have you any interest in casting Homeworld 3 games when it comes out?
well, it was epicaly thrown, so technically true epic :-)
Great Cast,, were they Joe, Bro, or Pro rating :P
Did they have nukes disabled or something?
What’s the map name? Thanks in advance
There's this map generator that creates random map when used. Idon't know how it's used or anything, just that.
Bob Marley and The Wailers.
What's up with the red maps are some players colour blind?
Bob Marley and the Whalers
this is the first Gylecast where I've actually cared which side wins. Tryth was such a bad sport and I was sad to see him win
what a disappointing match.....i really hate that kavat threw the match for the team....they should have focused on making air and winning air and then bottle would have crushed the land forces leading to a win.......so so so disappointing that kavat didn't work with the team and basically went afk for the whole match just about.
What an Epic
"not terrible but not great", "as they said at Chenobyl" hahahahaha. Quote of the day.
💯
And that's why massfabs don't go next to mexes.
Is suprem commander 1 or 2
1 but this is mod. Google faforever
Bob Marley & the Wailers
Oh no! UNCHECKED WAILERS!!
Awesome when red is Gone. C'mon Blonde❤❤❤❤
'Bung it into my watch list'? Did I just learn some new British slang? Because across the pond 'bung' means something a bit different.
Bung would be akin to a mix of chuck it into or bundle it into or smash it into. Or even plop it into. Bung is probably a more short hand casual version of all of these as a sentiment
"can you kill their gunships". when you need to ask that while your team doesn't have air, your strat ain't working. "i'm not building the arty". when you have the lead, that's saying "i wanna throw the game". dude's sub 2k for a reason.
Isn't alcoholic fermentation "upspoiling"? You have something, like grapes; you let it spoil and you get wine.
Tryth was a massive jerk the entire game, to everyone. It's these kinds of players that make multiplayer unfun.
Kudos to Valstrax for staying in the game and helping his team.
Was a shame that Kavat didn't do well in the air game, and he basically did nothing all game with his units right up until he decided to nope out, threw away his air force, and teleported his comm into certain death. Bottleofwater did quite well on the ground right up until Kavat left and air was completely lost.
"aaw friend"
Red is afraid, Blonde is cool
NO AIR = DEATH.
Wow, Tryth was consistently obnoxious throughout the entire game. I was rooting for Team 2 from the moment Maitz got ejected purely because of how Tryth was behaving in the chat.
Same. Tryth was a massive jerk, to everyone. Was a bummer that Kavat threw the air game and did basically nothing all game, because BottleOfWater did quite well on the ground game right up until air was completely lost.
@eamonnholland5343 Agreed. There was that moment early on, about the time Bottle had the first GC coming in on the right hand side, Kravat could have taken out the gunships if he had of made his move, he would have lost his fighters for it, but the GC's could have punched through into the base that had the T3 arty. Which would have saved his air factories. Still it's easy to say that with full vision and hindsight, not in the heat of the battle LOL. Either way it was a good game. I always enjoy the Gyle casts.
alcorhytm!
TEAM 2 at 21 minutes.
oh god, please dont give gyle any more ui buttons for him to stare at eco numbers
Someone blaming their team mate and raging at the enemies after throwing the game, and trying to justify their own blunders, classic sup com
Tryth´s attitude in the chat was trash
Collossi.
I think that Valstrax chap deserves MvP. If they'd survived, this would never have made epic length.
WHY don't you cast NOMADS games? OR WHY don't people play NOMADS games??
to less SAM s on team 2 by building to front
Kavat threw the game. Could’ve went for the air factories chose not to on multiple occasions. Didn’t help water was donating mass but man gunships need a health nerf.
Them tanking multiple sams shouldn’t be a thing but that’s just me