Not to mention that the ult took 4 seconds after activating to disarm enemy on hit which mean they have so much time to kill you with their main weapon before switching to Sheriff
@@AUG_Glow Kj Ult works different and has a clear count down indicate while Vyse don't give any information, not even a voice line to tell you that how many people have been disarmed or not. If you treat Vyse Ult like Kj then you don't even know how to play her. You should use Kj instead.
They should channge the ult so its placed more like a harbor ult and not a circle around her cause like 50% of the area will never be used on either defense or attack
@@herpothefoul9606 kj ult is an object that has to be placed tho. Vyse is just a field like the harbour ult. Also kj ult is 100x stronger the vyse ult is so ass. The change I suggested at least makes it not feel like shit to use.
@@herpothefoul9606 kj ult is good at the very least, it clears an entire site for you, this is just bad because its 1 less point than kj ult and the enemy team can still fight back
@@bigred1619 but that completely misses the point of the character, vyse is a sentinel and not a controller. It makes less sense for her to be able to place her ult field away from her, as her archetype is meant to keep space rather than take it. It might be annoying to take site with it, but that's... kind of the point.
I think with a full offseason to cook, teams will find a way to make good use of Vyse. I even think conceptually, how XLG were using Vyse on this map was right. Teams quite often try to shoe horn certain agents into comps and swap the wrong agent out but I like the idea of using the Vyse to do what teams were trying to do on attack side with Deadlock, while still giving you that extra piece of soft info and assistance in a fight that you can get from Kayo. I just don't think XLG were ready for the pace that ZY had with their comp, which is something you only learn how to handle with experience.
Idk, I’m sure they will find some niche use for her, but in terms of sentinels right now, she’s not really needed, I think if cypher gets a nerf, and deadlock gets forgotten because of meta changes she will pop off in her current state. (I don’t think he needs one, but he has been meta for so damm long and I really want to see a change happen) But that being said, all the “rush denial, or delay” sentinels do the job way better, I personally think she needs a pretty sizable buff before she gets a lot of use. Personally I’d make her flash invisible, and once it’s used it’s visible until it’s ready to be used again, and her ult should maybe last a bit longer. She’s very similar to sage, but with a worse slow because it’s not instant and can be destroyed, and the wall, that does not have as much flexibility as sage. If you ask me, there we already had 2 options for that type of sentinel, we did not need a third, that has the same kit but worse than the others
It's practically a tradition at this point that every time they say the new agent was bad, whether true or not, in the first competitive match it's a sign that it's going to be exploited until it's dry by VCT teams, like Deadlock and Gekko now lol.
but both deadlock and gekko required much help to become relevant, deadlock required direct buffs and gekko required the nerfing of dominant initiators
I'ved tried vyse for a couple dozens games now and i think it would be nice to have a confirmation voice line of how many people caught in it just like kj and fade
I only see vyse viable as a utility heavy comp and make her molly as info in attack but the thing is you see enemy lineup in pro play and being a vyse centric lineup it will be obvious in the first picks
the problem is ... the wall does nothimg a cyper trip doesn't do, and the razorvine does nothing a kj molly doesn't do, leaving her with only her flash being "good"...
her alt should apply a few seconds faster and idk if it would be too powerful but have the vines lock the players in place from running out of it for like 1 second as their gun gets vined.
To be honest, I'm kind of glad she didn't start off busted cause if she did that would be an inherent problem. This is actually very promising for improving compared to say like Deadlock/Gekko when they came out also unironically, why does this show Harbor's insane potential cause I feel he made it harder for them than intended lol
i dont think vyse ult will ever be that strong in its current state considering the power of sidearms not to mention the limited range of vyse ult means that anyone who gets hit by it will probably be in the range where their sidearm can find a lot of value. this is a game where the free sidearm you always have on you can 2-tap from medium range and one-tap point-blank. vyse ult wont disable an op or outlaw or even a vandal holding a long angle, it's basically just gonna be used for site exec or post plant, which is almost always gonna be a super close range engagement anyway
She isn't very strong. Idk what you expect. Her wall is worse than sage, slow is worse than viper, ult worse than KJ. If anyone picks her up in any official game of riot, they should be investigated for match fixing
@thegoblinwholaughs1137 She is pretty strong, her util negates the fast flood retake meta which is so popular right now. The team using her this game was ass, barely any setups, no lineups, etc. She is a very strong agent when played correctly and I know there will be a time in the upcoming future where a team abuses her to win an important match.
@@nanni5230 no she is really ass.. her thorns are actually literally shit and the fact u can bait her wall? yea the wall is ass too lets not even get started on her ASS ult her flash is her best piece of util she has
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>Vyse ult
>exec
>Yoru whips out a sheriff and hits two headshots
Not to mention that the ult took 4 seconds after activating to disarm enemy on hit which mean they have so much time to kill you with their main weapon before switching to Sheriff
@@mahirunotsuki9you’re not supposed to peak until it activates
That’s like saying kj ult is bad because you peeked before it activated
@@AUG_Glow Kj Ult works different and has a clear count down indicate while Vyse don't give any information, not even a voice line to tell you that how many people have been disarmed or not. If you treat Vyse Ult like Kj then you don't even know how to play her. You should use Kj instead.
@@mahirunotsuki9 bruh it was an example of your expression, not a direct comparison
@@mahirunotsuki9 strawman so huge your english teacher is frowning
Vyse would have done well, if you had been oiled up by now
Someone explain the oiling up meme to me plz... I'm missing out
not oiling up at this point should be a crime
@@nandanbhat2327oil up I’ll be there in 5 minutes to explain it
@@nandanbhat2327I think it has something to do with EDG winning the championship
@@praisetachanka514Nah, it's from Shanghai or Madrid if I know
They should channge the ult so its placed more like a harbor ult and not a circle around her cause like 50% of the area will never be used on either defense or attack
thats kj ult for u
@@herpothefoul9606 kj ult is an object that has to be placed tho. Vyse is just a field like the harbour ult. Also kj ult is 100x stronger the vyse ult is so ass. The change I suggested at least makes it not feel like shit to use.
@@bigred1619 Yeah it will be a good space maker as it drives away the enemies away from the area making it to be a good anchor or site free for plant
@@herpothefoul9606 kj ult is good at the very least, it clears an entire site for you, this is just bad because its 1 less point than kj ult and the enemy team can still fight back
@@bigred1619 but that completely misses the point of the character, vyse is a sentinel and not a controller. It makes less sense for her to be able to place her ult field away from her, as her archetype is meant to keep space rather than take it. It might be annoying to take site with it, but that's... kind of the point.
Neon, Yoru, Harbor, Omen go crazyyyy. Just a comp diff tbh 🙌
I have high hopes for Vyse. Im hoping she will be a new agent thats good enough for Pro-Play without needing buffs or reworks right out of the gate.
I think with a full offseason to cook, teams will find a way to make good use of Vyse. I even think conceptually, how XLG were using Vyse on this map was right. Teams quite often try to shoe horn certain agents into comps and swap the wrong agent out but I like the idea of using the Vyse to do what teams were trying to do on attack side with Deadlock, while still giving you that extra piece of soft info and assistance in a fight that you can get from Kayo.
I just don't think XLG were ready for the pace that ZY had with their comp, which is something you only learn how to handle with experience.
Idk, I’m sure they will find some niche use for her, but in terms of sentinels right now, she’s not really needed, I think if cypher gets a nerf, and deadlock gets forgotten because of meta changes she will pop off in her current state. (I don’t think he needs one, but he has been meta for so damm long and I really want to see a change happen)
But that being said, all the “rush denial, or delay” sentinels do the job way better, I personally think she needs a pretty sizable buff before she gets a lot of use.
Personally I’d make her flash invisible, and once it’s used it’s visible until it’s ready to be used again, and her ult should maybe last a bit longer.
She’s very similar to sage, but with a worse slow because it’s not instant and can be destroyed, and the wall, that does not have as much flexibility as sage.
If you ask me, there we already had 2 options for that type of sentinel, we did not need a third, that has the same kit but worse than the others
It's practically a tradition at this point that every time they say the new agent was bad, whether true or not, in the first competitive match it's a sign that it's going to be exploited until it's dry by VCT teams, like Deadlock and Gekko now lol.
but both deadlock and gekko required much help to become relevant, deadlock required direct buffs and gekko required the nerfing of dominant initiators
@@mel9111 well gekko also got some pretty important buffs..
@@daim6853 gekko sucked when skye was good. skye was the main reason viper harbor and other double smoke comps were dominant for a time
It's true no newer agents are meta , iso , clove , dl all have very niche uses and used by like 1 or 2 teams
deadlock hasnt even been used all that much. its just been a few teams with so so success
Oiling you up is only the beginning...
When’s the TMV Vyse cosplay coming out? We need an oily agent like her to push you over the edge 🥹
what i took away from this video is Yoru/Neon/Harbor is the future
I'ved tried vyse for a couple dozens games now and i think it would be nice to have a confirmation voice line of how many people caught in it just like kj and fade
Oiling Man’s Valorant
Neon + Yoru + harbor + omen is ridiculously OP comp
They cooking for sure 👍
I saw many yoru in vct cn ascension quite common actually
3:50 i CANNOT believe you just edged me like that on that fight
I only see vyse viable as a utility heavy comp and make her molly as info in attack
but the thing is you see enemy lineup in pro play and being a vyse centric lineup it will be obvious in the first picks
Isn’t he oiling up or what
I wish vyse ult had either visual or audio feedback for her ult like Kj's and Fade's ults.
You should increase your mic volume in your videos the clips you show are always louder
TMV the only Acend member left in Valorant😥
6 seconds in and I'm already laughing at how he pronounces Xi Lai.
Shy Lie
the problem is ... the wall does nothimg a cyper trip doesn't do, and the razorvine does nothing a kj molly doesn't do, leaving her with only her flash being "good"...
her alt should apply a few seconds faster and idk if it would be too powerful but have the vines lock the players in place from running out of it for like 1 second as their gun gets vined.
its a shame you've not oiled up to record this video really
Yoru ult + Vyse ult cooks though
Todays mini crossword 6-across
Btw xi lai is pronounced like "she lie" rhymes with "see why"
To be honest, I'm kind of glad she didn't start off busted cause if she did that would be an inherent problem. This is actually very promising for improving compared to say like Deadlock/Gekko when they came out also unironically, why does this show Harbor's insane potential cause I feel he made it harder for them than intended lol
i dont think vyse ult will ever be that strong in its current state considering the power of sidearms
not to mention the limited range of vyse ult means that anyone who gets hit by it will probably be in the range where their sidearm can find a lot of value. this is a game where the free sidearm you always have on you can 2-tap from medium range and one-tap point-blank.
vyse ult wont disable an op or outlaw or even a vandal holding a long angle, it's basically just gonna be used for site exec or post plant, which is almost always gonna be a super close range engagement anyway
The “Xi” in Xi Lai is better pronounced as “See/Sea” :D
Aint a good match or the gameplay level that shows off vyse power very effectively, once the majour teams pick her up then we will know the real value
She isn't very strong. Idk what you expect. Her wall is worse than sage, slow is worse than viper, ult worse than KJ. If anyone picks her up in any official game of riot, they should be investigated for match fixing
@thegoblinwholaughs1137 She is pretty strong, her util negates the fast flood retake meta which is so popular right now. The team using her this game was ass, barely any setups, no lineups, etc. She is a very strong agent when played correctly and I know there will be a time in the upcoming future where a team abuses her to win an important match.
@@nanni5230 no she is really ass.. her thorns are actually literally shit and the fact u can bait her wall? yea the wall is ass too lets not even get started on her ASS ult her flash is her best piece of util she has
It's fine emluo cooked with vyse on lotus
I feel the team and map was the problem vyse was useful but the team just was t good enough
Handsome ginger chap
Btw ascend stopped their valorant roster
oily oily indeed
am i early or is this just thinkingmansvalo
Sir, it is pronounced zee why gaming, that is how Chinese caster say it.
sorry ascend is dropping valorant, i hear EDG is looking for influencers
Probably only Chinese ones though
would still say its not bc vyse is bad
i think the team just played very poorly
30 sec and 0 views bro fell off
bruh whats wrong with this comment section..
okay
good job being early
Vyse is terrible
Vyse is busted fym