But Skawo, why do you have, like, 3 HDMI to RCA converters? Well, if you recall the GameCube video, I was planning to add HDMI to the displays by just showing the guts of these into them. Did that to one, and it works as well as you'd expect, but the case had to be mauled pretty hard to get it to fit, so I decided not to do it to the rest.
If I remember, the maximum lenght of SCART without amplification is 10 metres. Also, this was a passive adapter, so aside from adding cable lenght, it didn't do anything.
@@LeSarthois length wouldn't matter much if it was a differential or digital signal, but nope it's single ended analogue video signal, and also cable rolled like a coil won't help much
Yeah seriously, I was expecting it to be more along the lines of old broadcast TV tuning with incredibly weak signal. This just looks like an old VHS recording.
I was expecting it to be like one of those "Copy of copy of video" things but it really just looks like these games did on my old 10" Zenith while playing through an RF adapter.
This is how government tech and webpages are structured: Layers upon layers upon layers of interfacing code designed to link a chain of legacy codebases instead of burning it all and do it from the ground up
Many of the USA's government websites still run back-end on COBOL. They're having issues with maintenance because all of the COBOL programmers are currently retiring and dying, and it's not being taught to new programmers because it's basically obsolete as a language.
People will tell someone "brand new condition" just to get a thing sold, but it will be covered in scratches like they had it for years. And the same people will demand that items they buy used be pristine, looking like they just came out of the box.
I am shocked at how clear the final picture actually turned out. Especially after the RF conversion. I would have put money down on it being a blurred mess, but it looked quite playable. About as good as it would have looked on a CRT TV.
I involuntarily shouted "NO!" when I saw it run through the laptop, I don't even know why only that made me wince. I'm amazed there was barely any delay, it's probably better than the Wii U virtual console
honestly the direct capture after all of the adaptors kinda looks like it came off of either A) an early 2000's video about the game, or B) footage of the game ripped from a vhs tape. guess this is one way to replicate that without needing to record to a tape in the 2020's for the latter or trying to find old tech and/or software and deal with those hiccups for the former - at the cost of all the cords and potential technical issues, granted, but still.
@@buschw00kie I'm guessing that they used tapes to record the screen's output just like how you can record tv shows with vhs tapes. I would guess the distortion and artifacts from tapes that gives old video game footage it's unique look
This is the kind of content I didn't subscribe for, but will still watch as soon the notification hits. Also, easiest way to make an old TV filter for your nostalgia gaming needs.
FINALLY a video that accurately replicates YT video compression in real time. I tip my hat to you sir (you can't see it because of how compressed it is, but trust me... it's a hat).
The only thing you would achieve doing that is stripping the color signal from the video. Honestly tv signals did not change from the 60s (advent of color broadcasting) to the early 2000s. It would literally be one adapter taking it from composite to RF then straight to component (early atsc/dvb broadcasting) then HDMI. S-video would be skipped entirely since it was never used for broadcast. RF would degrade it but everything else after was a better signal so you probably wouldn't see much if any conversion losses after rf.
That's so cool. It would be neat to see like a Blu Ray player going into the first HDMI in the chain and vmaf scores to break down what conversions/converters had the most impact and how the picture looked as the chain lengthens.
I'm surprised nobody has created a complete conversion box that can take any av input and give any av output, Including analog and digital tv signals. so a newer device can be connected to older TVs if need be and an older device can be connected to newer TVs.
Here we have an NES on one end of the Radio Shack... and a TV at the other. The objective is to get the signal over there using all of the A/V equipment on the shelves.
As soon as you put it through RF I was cringing and then that wireless sender and receiver made it worse but the final output was way better than I expected it to be
Now I’m wondering if you could use this same setup, but replace the projector with an HDMI capture card going to the same laptop as the RF tuner. Or just see how many times you can run the same video signal through a single PC.
I think the absolute cherry on top would have been to have everything end to a Nintendo DS being the display (there is an actual converter in Japan that exists for that)
I appreciated the inclusion of RF and especially wireless composite, and was surprised to see SCART, but the lack of component made me sad. Also, no S-video or displayport! 😂
Plot twist: This is how you get real-time retro post-processing for a non-CRT monitor you use specifically for emulation. I mean if you think about it, if you put a modern PC's output through a bunch of connectors like these, all the connectors would essentially filter the signal, making it as accurate as what it would have been most likely in the times old CRTs were used. Do this with a raspberry pi and some emulators and a monitor and you would have that old feel on a non-CRT screen without need of post-processing shaders and the like.
Absolutely Amazing! Glad to see you're still making videos and they are of a great quality all these years later Skawo! This is a very well executed and interesting idea here! I didn't even know they MADE wireless composite transmitters!!! Thats insane!!
I am surprised at how there is so little input lag after all that. Super impressive and the final output isn't too bad either taking into account all the device types there are.
it needs to be seen to be believed but beneath the break is the summary in summary, composite to hdmi to composite to rf to laptop to hdmi to composite to scart to hdmi to composite to wireless to composite to scart to hdmi to crappy projector
Besides the lag/stuttering the visuals were quite close to my childhood TV, except the purplish green corner that was cause by the TV being dropped on my brother, he's fine by the way (but he still makes bad choices). I now know it's because the shadow mask got out of alignment. That's my cool story bro😎
common myth: digital-analog (or vice versa) conversion like analog to HDMI adds a lot of latency. no, if you have a lot of latency with a retro console, it's probably your TV.
this honestly makes for a pretty cool genuine VHS-like filter. feels much nicer to do something like this than to slap a single post filter on it (sure, it's easier, but not as "real" if that makes sense)
I really hope you have like an actually good video upscaler or something. It hurts my soul to see so many $5 composite to HDMI thingies in one room. The sign of a true madman
i used to daisy chain all of my RF adapters together and then connect my TV antenna to the last one. it never bothered me how fuzzy things looked because i no longer had to crawl around and plug things in when switching from NES to SNES or VCR lol
heyy.. ive seen those laptops before! I call out that might be a.. Lenovo Legion 5? Now, the other characters on the side are based on specs, but the shape is roughly the same, did I get it??
Reminds me mildly of my own setup. It's not quite _that_ complicated, but there is a mess of cables and a few adapters to make everything I have work all at once with as few kit as I can manage.
you didn't get too much trouble because you used digital signals in between all those analog signal that do add noise to the original signal. That's something that helped.
But Skawo, why do you have, like, 3 HDMI to RCA converters?
Well, if you recall the GameCube video, I was planning to add HDMI to the displays by just showing the guts of these into them.
Did that to one, and it works as well as you'd expect, but the case had to be mauled pretty hard to get it to fit, so I decided not to do it to the rest.
Actually, I have a different question. Why would you do this?
Funs
@@asra-5180Knowing Skawo, his answer is gonna be:
Funs.
Edit: was barely too late on that reply lmao
@@Skawo fair enough.
The feedback noise is so high pitched
... Aaaaarrrfgg
>5m long SCART cable
>wireless composite
God...
Their unholynesses probably cancelled each other out. No other explanation.
If I remember, the maximum lenght of SCART without amplification is 10 metres. Also, this was a passive adapter, so aside from adding cable lenght, it didn't do anything.
God had no hand in this abomination nor wil he be of any help
@@LeSarthois length wouldn't matter much if it was a differential or digital signal, but nope it's single ended analogue video signal, and also cable rolled like a coil won't help much
@@markellii3093each other? Pretty sure this shit cancelled god out entirely. God is dead, and Skawo killed him.
Honestly the final result didn't look as crunchy as I was expecting
Yeah seriously, I was expecting it to be more along the lines of old broadcast TV tuning with incredibly weak signal. This just looks like an old VHS recording.
I was expecting it to be like one of those "Copy of copy of video" things but it really just looks like these games did on my old 10" Zenith while playing through an RF adapter.
tbh I expected the signal to be almost lost after going through all of those converters, but it still looked semi decent
@@frogdude1337if the converters don’t introduce noise nor attenuation then the signal will mostly average out, not get lost
oh hi snake
The combined processing power of all converters is probably greater than the NES CPU.
Honestly, I think even just one of them.
probably even one is way more powerful, those converter chips have AVR or RISC based cpu's builtin and sometimes even ARM
Next video: Gaming on a hacked cable converter
I'm pretty sure a $1 embedded CPU these days will probably blow more transistors on the just the register file than were in the entire NES CPU.
@@SplarkszterPlaying DOOM on a hacked cable converter *
We need more converters, I can still read the Zelda title screen
This is how government tech and webpages are structured:
Layers upon layers upon layers of interfacing code designed to link a chain of legacy codebases instead of burning it all and do it from the ground up
I don't even need to specify WHICH government
@@_.-.Pretty sure the secret service was still using a computer from the JFK era until very recently. It required near constant repairs.
the IRS especially
Many of the USA's government websites still run back-end on COBOL. They're having issues with maintenance because all of the COBOL programmers are currently retiring and dying, and it's not being taught to new programmers because it's basically obsolete as a language.
Too true
The easiest way to play an NES
no but fr
Your tv doesn't have composite??
@@geemcspankinson Newer TVs don’t have composite INs but some do have a slot for a composite adapter
@@ExGanonMain Man I got a 2020s smart tv that has inputs for composite, could be some european market thing then
@@geemcspankinson The only thing I miss about mine is component input 😭
"Bro, my setup isn't THAT scuffed"
Their setup:
Literally my first thought as well when I saw this video😂
People will tell someone "brand new condition" just to get a thing sold, but it will be covered in scratches like they had it for years. And the same people will demand that items they buy used be pristine, looking like they just came out of the box.
I am shocked at how clear the final picture actually turned out. Especially after the RF conversion. I would have put money down on it being a blurred mess, but it looked quite playable. About as good as it would have looked on a CRT TV.
more of a delay test
POV: all the cables your dad says are necessary to keep
Same here!
I’m tidying up my house and found scart cables. I successfully resisted the urge to keep them “just in case I might need them someday”.
the point of view of the cables?
It honestly doesn't look _that_ much different from any macbook user trying to connect more than 1 thing
Am a dad, can confirm
When I asked you about the optimal way to record Wii footage...I uh, did not expect this.
I'm so glad that SCART was included. Half expected it to be ignored because it's mostly forgotten these days.
Yeah what is a SCART anyway
with all these rgb scart mods on crt's i wouldnt say its completely forgotten!
@@pamcakes2172 It's mostly forgotten.
SHART
@@WatchVidsMakeLists European HDMI before HDMI was a thing.
Love how this video is formatted like a video from the 2000s, early 2010s. Alas, this is exactly the vision Miyamoto had when designing this classic.
If this was his vision, he needed some glasses
that wireless composite transmitter is a beauty
I involuntarily shouted "NO!" when I saw it run through the laptop, I don't even know why only that made me wince. I'm amazed there was barely any delay, it's probably better than the Wii U virtual console
My "oh no" moment was the composite wireless transmitter lol
This emmits such a threatening, chaotic energy. That and I'm sure I'd have tripped on those cables around 50 times by now
All these cables indeed make one believe they can do anything
honestly the direct capture after all of the adaptors kinda looks like it came off of either A) an early 2000's video about the game, or B) footage of the game ripped from a vhs tape.
guess this is one way to replicate that without needing to record to a tape in the 2020's for the latter or trying to find old tech and/or software and deal with those hiccups for the former - at the cost of all the cords and potential technical issues, granted, but still.
Digital filters can recreate all of the analog noise from back in the day in a much more flexible way
The AliExpress experience
It looks like the footage that they would record for commercials, honestly very charming
absolutely
but why does gameplay in tv ads look so uniquely different?
@@buschw00kie I'm guessing that they used tapes to record the screen's output just like how you can record tv shows with vhs tapes. I would guess the distortion and artifacts from tapes that gives old video game footage it's unique look
This is the kind of content I didn't subscribe for, but will still watch as soon the notification hits.
Also, easiest way to make an old TV filter for your nostalgia gaming needs.
I was horrified to see so many conversions to Composite lol. But even more baffled that there wasn't atleast one conversion to VGA in there.
See description
@@SkawoAye be sad :(
FINALLY a video that accurately replicates YT video compression in real time. I tip my hat to you sir (you can't see it because of how compressed it is, but trust me... it's a hat).
I was expecting the input lag to be way way worse, this is like the video equivalent of watering down soup
great now we need HDMI to hose pipe adapter included in the mix somewhere
I yelled NO when I saw the wireless composite
Can't wait for part 2 where we send the signal through every single standardized video stream format since 1940.
The only thing you would achieve doing that is stripping the color signal from the video. Honestly tv signals did not change from the 60s (advent of color broadcasting) to the early 2000s. It would literally be one adapter taking it from composite to RF then straight to component (early atsc/dvb broadcasting) then HDMI. S-video would be skipped entirely since it was never used for broadcast. RF would degrade it but everything else after was a better signal so you probably wouldn't see much if any conversion losses after rf.
I am genuinely impressed by the quality. I expected it to be much worse.
I'm disappointed that there wasn't also S Video and Component thrown in there too
surprisingly little latency, despite 5 meters of scart and wireless transmission
That's so cool. It would be neat to see like a Blu Ray player going into the first HDMI in the chain and vmaf scores to break down what conversions/converters had the most impact and how the picture looked as the chain lengthens.
Perhaps in a future video :v
I'm surprised nobody has created a complete conversion box that can take any av input and give any av output, Including analog and digital tv signals. so a newer device can be connected to older TVs if need be and an older device can be connected to newer TVs.
I really expected it to look way worse, but looks surpirsingly decent.
The rf fucked it up the most
@@aeriumsoftAs someone that has used rf I can relate
Here we have an NES on one end of the Radio Shack... and a TV at the other. The objective is to get the signal over there using all of the A/V equipment on the shelves.
Hey, we finally know how The Angry Video Game Nerd recorded his gameplay footage in the early episodes!
honestly the RF is such a vibe
As soon as you put it through RF I was cringing and then that wireless sender and receiver made it worse but the final output was way better than I expected it to be
love how this makes the inside of the cave completely dark
Now I’m wondering if you could use this same setup, but replace the projector with an HDMI capture card going to the same laptop as the RF tuner. Or just see how many times you can run the same video signal through a single PC.
The capture at the end IS from a HDMI capture card going into a PC :v
I think the absolute cherry on top would have been to have everything end to a Nintendo DS being the display (there is an actual converter in Japan that exists for that)
this still looks way better than most game captures before 2008 or any video reposted to instagram
Where is this guy when I need to plug something in to my TV
I kinda like that final result - there's a certain 90's quality vibe I'm getting from it
The input lag and quality are way better than I anticipated
Your scientists were so obsessed with whether or not they could that you never thought about whether you should.
I appreciated the inclusion of RF and especially wireless composite, and was surprised to see SCART, but the lack of component made me sad. Also, no S-video or displayport! 😂
After the laptop with rf tuner, I expect it to display in the laptop's monitor and using webcam to capture the image back to the other steps.
That turned out way better than I was expecting
Plot twist: This is how you get real-time retro post-processing for a non-CRT monitor you use specifically for emulation. I mean if you think about it, if you put a modern PC's output through a bunch of connectors like these, all the connectors would essentially filter the signal, making it as accurate as what it would have been most likely in the times old CRTs were used. Do this with a raspberry pi and some emulators and a monitor and you would have that old feel on a non-CRT screen without need of post-processing shaders and the like.
Laughed when it got to the SCART adapter. "Oh please, let there be another one in the chain."
Wasn't disappointed!
Absolutely Amazing! Glad to see you're still making videos and they are of a great quality all these years later Skawo! This is a very well executed and interesting idea here! I didn't even know they MADE wireless composite transmitters!!! Thats insane!!
This is insane. This isn't as bad as I expected. I'm extremely impressed
How many video converters do you want?
Skawo: YES
I'm actually surprised. This doesn't look even half as bad as I expected! After 13 converters, I was expecting a complete, unintelligible mess.
that one friend: "no my TV has no input lag"
that one friends tv setup:
I am surprised at how there is so little input lag after all that. Super impressive and the final output isn't too bad either taking into account all the device types there are.
it needs to be seen to be believed but beneath the break is the summary
in summary, composite to hdmi to composite to rf to laptop to hdmi to composite to scart to hdmi to composite to wireless to composite to scart to hdmi to crappy projector
Still looks better than videos uploaded to this site 15 years ago
Somebody really had too much free time
congrats, you have invented a hellspawn
it's not a simulation or filter. i also like that it effected audio
The moment he turns it on monsters from xen and shit boutta start popping in i swear
Impressive, very nice. Now let’s see RF as the starting point to get that RF to HDMI conversion
This looked infinitely better than I was expecting.
Now that's a proper way to play Battletoads
Gaming Magazine screenshots in motion.
here i was thinking my HDMI to VGA, to VGA to composite setup was a bit jank
Besides the lag/stuttering the visuals were quite close to my childhood TV, except the purplish green corner that was cause by the TV being dropped on my brother, he's fine by the way (but he still makes bad choices). I now know it's because the shadow mask got out of alignment. That's my cool story bro😎
Seeing SCART unlocked some memories
Now put it in your backpack for the sleepover with the boys
Me trying to diagnose an issue at 4am without any fucking idea of what i’m actually doing
common myth: digital-analog (or vice versa) conversion like analog to HDMI adds a lot of latency.
no, if you have a lot of latency with a retro console, it's probably your TV.
All those wires man, and the Bowser’s Lullaby on top gets the sub
Insert clip of James Rolfe tripping on his atari 5800 power cable
this honestly makes for a pretty cool genuine VHS-like filter. feels much nicer to do something like this than to slap a single post filter on it (sure, it's easier, but not as "real" if that makes sense)
This reminds me of my Factorio bases that I build from time to time.
Best RUclips video I’ve seen today! You know your adapters and you know how to tell a story
Would be cooler if the adapters varied a bit more, like if it included VGA, DVI, DP or something different, like S-video.
I really hope you have like an actually good video upscaler or something. It hurts my soul to see so many $5 composite to HDMI thingies in one room. The sign of a true madman
Tbh, I am surprised how decent it still looks, and I thought the lag would be way worse than it was. I'm guessing I am not that picky 😅
Input lag aside it doesn't look nearly as bad as you'd think
i used to daisy chain all of my RF adapters together and then connect my TV antenna to the last one. it never bothered me how fuzzy things looked because i no longer had to crawl around and plug things in when switching from NES to SNES or VCR lol
Honestly not as bad as I was expecting. Granted, it's NES footage, so it's not like it was high quality to begin with, but still.
Not to mention being filmed instead of directly recorded
Like my school's setup... Displayport to hdmi, hdmi splitter, hdmi to projector and other hdmi to an hdmi-vga adapter to a monitor :D
Pixels hate him, latency fears him. Learn his secret technique!
😂 Nice work! I'd love to see S-Video, component and VGA added to the mix, but great to see good old SCART in there a few times
Step 14: camera
Step 15: RUclips compression
Step 16: internet connection or 144p
Step 17: the screen displaying the video.
Props for the music selection, really took me back!
heyy.. ive seen those laptops before! I call out that might be a..
Lenovo Legion 5? Now, the other characters on the side are based on specs, but the shape is roughly the same, did I get it??
It is indeed a Lenovo Legion 5.
Let's go!!
I was worried the signal wasn’t even gonna make it. 😂
Somehow still looks better than the component cables I bought for 3 dollars off aliexpress.
That turned out substantially better than I expected.
This is just how VHS looked 😂
the image is WAY better than I was expecting! Even out of the projector.
Reminds me mildly of my own setup. It's not quite _that_ complicated, but there is a mess of cables and a few adapters to make everything I have work all at once with as few kit as I can manage.
POV: One of them breaks, and you dont know which one
The setup disconnected many times during this and I had to recheck all the nodes like 5 times
I was honestly expecting to get rick rolled at the very end
you didn't get too much trouble because you used digital signals in between all those analog signal that do add noise to the original signal.
That's something that helped.
Conversion between a digital and analog signal is lossy.
Honestly expected it to be WAY Worse...
Honestly surprised that there wasn't any VGA in this mess