i wish we can have more female rappers or just female artists in general who have a gigantic artistic catalog of music that can overshadow their visual appearance and or the success that can build off of. im tired of seeing women being primarily visual aspects of enjoyment than seen as talented artists.
Very well said. Same here. As listeners it feels like they sell us the image first and music after. We’re worlds away, but I see that shifting in the future. People will want real artists back. ❤️🎶
@@tripleohceeespecially nowadays with social media. image is everything and comes first before your personality or talent. sucks that in recent times thats how we choose who stays relevant but hopefully in sooner time i hope everyone will want real artists and get tired of this monotony. 👏
IMO there are plenty out there, they just aren’t supported on the same level bc labels know exactly who + what to market for the most streams/brand deals rn and that’s simply women selling sex. To s/o some relatively newer women doing their thing (that I haven’t seen in the comments yet): Jhene Aiko, Armani Caesar, Ambré, Liv.e, Yaya Bey, Enny, Cyanca, Amanda Reifer, BIA, Karrahboo, TiaCorine, S3nsi Molly, Woo da Savage, Mercury, Biskhit, Baby Osamaa, the list def goes on.
always been a big rico fan! she's somewhat underground still but also has a very loyal fanbase and is well connected imo but i would describe her as more alt adjacent then mainstream than her more radio friendly peers for sure but the catalog and her looks always eats!! i saw on her tour twice tg and swear to god im in love to this day 💀
I think Cupcakke is a perfect example of how important pretty privilege is in the music industry. And personally, I think that cupcakke is beautiful, but she doesn’t have the “body” that so many female rappers have today. It sucks because she is really the best of the best, one of my favorite rappers of all time, and it doesn’t matter that she is so sexual because she has BARS.
Yes! And the crazy thing is, her having bars and even tapping into the sensual/sexual lyrics would have made her even more popular if she did benefit from pretty privilege. People eat that up! I’ve listened to a few songs, but what are your favs from Cupcakke?
Duuuude it’s so sad how image obsessed society is. If a woman isn’t willing to get surgery and shake the result in front of everyone then it’s just not ok. Why do we care about body parts so much? 😭
You mean the whole music/entertainment industry has a pretty privilege problem. We are assaulted by so much mediocrity these days behind a pretty face or banging body
My problem isn't necessarily pretty privilege, it's the fact a lot of it is deeply rooted in colorism and prejudice. Most people bash the city girls be it physically or musically which can be tied to the image of black women while Ice Spice gives people the fantasy of being a black woman without being a black woman.
Same with cardi..but they refuse refuuuuse to ever really admit or acknowledge it frfr. Idk what’s worse holding on desperately to ODR or the selective attention “skills”
I feel like rap has always been like this. Esp more and more selling certain detrimental, deceiving images in huge increments. However, female rap has always had this problem worst in a (lot) of way(s)-starting with tft nobody takes female rap all too seriously and nobody had/has much hope for female rappers (rap in general but ofc the ppl that make it up).
Looks only became important once social media became relevant. Before that there was always the Gangsta Boo, La Chat, Da Brat, Mc Money, Mc Gold’s of the game who were promiscuous personas, but not known at all for their looks.
I would say Megan thee stallion is a great example to how pretty privilege has destroyed the landscape of female rappers bc she had to be above exceptional talented to be taken serious and it’s still a battle. For me megan is beautiful but in a pam Grier, lupita Nyong’o way, she has beautiful Afrocentric features but the industry much prefer female rappers with Eurocentric features aka Kim Kardashian, Ariana grande, Zendaya levels of beautiful being spicy white or blackish coded since being racially ambiguous is now the 21st century western standard of beauty and desirability, Q-Tip revealed a while back when Megan tried getting signed to record labels executors turned her down and told her that it was bc she wasn’t racially ambiguous and didn’t have a big social media following in the similar vein as cardi and Megan flipped this by making both her talent and personality the driving force to her virality. I feel this a big factor to other female rappers like doechii, rapsody, Tierra whack, and JT it’s not so much being sexualized that’s part of it but it’s also featurism and colorism attached to it bc as I previously stated being racially ambiguous is the new beauty standard and fitting into this new standards means getting entertainers who are the center piece to this new standards
I agree, even though Meg is A GODDESS and Bars for days so they could never ignore her. She is a force. But mostly if the industry wasnt ONLY trying to sell sex we could have a variety of rappers. Like we need the round the way femme rapper, trans girl rapper, goth girl, tomboy, awkward girl etc because then girls could have someone they relate too. Left eye was perfect for this! She sold COOL not sex.
@@ThisEvilBunnyAgreed and the thing is through TLC left eye knew how to sell she and she continued to display sexuality in her solo music but 1) only on her own terms and agency and 2) she showed a variety of her personality that wasn’t centered solely on sex
I feel like ppl will always find a way to make something niche and appropriate inappropriate. Like ppl if they really get there will sexualize anything (slightest thing eventually) and w/ upcoming female rappers it only takes one time; a switch and then it’s sexualizing too from then on out. Like Megan, I feel like Megan is the best example. Yes she always had a proactive edge but still she took it all the way more n more esp after that whole wap bs. Even if they wanna yell out hate esp when colorism,featurism, and all that extra odd shit there’s still the even odder fetishization part that is still there and comes back around. For someone like Tierra whack,sexxy, or even JT ppl will act like that’s not what it is and will be quick to talk down on them whether it a bc of physical appearances or “they just don’t like them” (while loving tf out of a lighter version of them, even making too many excuses for that preferred type) they will find a way to still have a weird sexual fetishized gaze at them…and it’s like…? I agree with everything else you said but the sexualization (even in the most weird who would have thought ways) is very much still there along with ofc everything else they’ll pile on.
Doja cat cupcakke Rico bree runway and flo milli are beautiful but bc they dont fit the female rapper ideal look they’re treated a way when doja lost weight and decided to shave her head ppl got so weird about her appearance and when she wears more wigs again now(she never stopped wearing them) ppl are nicer for bree and flo milli i can only say that’s straight colorism
Um no. Doja literally blew up in part bc of her looks. In 2020 people were obsessed with her body- I guarantee if she had a slim or regular body shape she would have faded away after moo or say so.
@@p3rsianb4bythat’s literally what they said. Doja blew up yes but she fell off due to ppl not liking how she looked. Yes she does weird shit but she shaved her head, lost weight and instead of focusing on her weird bf, the demonic symbolism and odd racism…the FIRST thing said was they don’t like her anymore bcuz she’s not thick and pretty like she used to be
@@kiki13451 but the thing is she never truly fell off- despite all the awful nasty things she’s done as soon as she put a wig back on and people saw her body shape again they forgive her for everything. She gets coddled and infantilised bc of pretty privilege. Any other rapper would have never been able to comeback
You know a rapper who makes 🔥🔥🔥 songs almost on the level of a Kendrick or JCole but doesn’t get enough credit? Little Simz. She’s the strong, righteous rapper who could and should be huge, but may not have as much buzz cause she’s from the UK and also a woman who doesn’t really flaunt her body the same way that Nicki or Ice Spice do (not that there’s anything wrong with that but yeah)
the crazy thing is Little Simz has been grinding much longer than Ice Spice has. Simz is 10x more talented than Ice Spice. But the gap between UK rap and US audiences is quite large.
I love Tierra Whack a lot. She's incredibly creative and has bars for days but like you said, because she isn't sexualizing her image in any way she doesn't get recognition she deserves. I think her music and visuals feel like breath of fresh air in the oversaturation of hypersexualized female rappers.
Funny how the culture changed in 30 years. Back in the day before Kim blew up Diddy reportedly told Kim that she was “too pretty” to be a rapper. Now it is a PRE-REQUISITE.
If Rapsody had redone her whole face and body and wasn't covered up she would be one of the top female rappers because she is definitely one of the most talented. Have you checked out her new album?
Yes! She is one of the main artists I envisioned when making this. Raw talent. She just refuses to fit their mold. 💪🏽 It’s def on my list. I may check it out this week. Did you enjoy it?
I just left a comment about her! Her album is so good Jesus!!! One of the BEST rap albums to drop this year, not female rap but best rap album periodt!❤❤❤
Right! Literally was listening to her album Eve all day today. It’s criminal how slept on she is. And it’s all because she it’s not a conventional pretty woman. Smh
Record labels need to understand pretty privilege and getting a couple of hits doesn’t equal longevity these artists aren’t staying as long 3-4 years and they are silent.
I recently saw a little music podcast where a segment touched on billboard’s “10 hottest female rappers right now” list. Some guys on this all-male podcast instantly assumes billboard had published a list ranking their looks and proceeded to rank the girls bodies🤦🏾♂️ Had billboard posted a top 10 list for male rappers the instant assumption would absolutely NOT be that the list was ranking the male rappers looks.
Wow! That is absolutely crazy because it’s true. They would automatically start saying who had the better bars, punchlines, flows.. they would never care about looks, smh.
i think Cardi is pretty but i definitely wouldn't consider her rise from her body - back in 2017 when she blew up I feel like she blew up because she didnt sound like anyone else, and she had a marketable personality. I think with time the body has helped moving towards Press, Up and WAP but back in 2018 i feel like most of her marketability came from her loud personality and the fact that her accent made her sound really different from others because while people like mariah lynn also had a personality like that, the way she raps definitely poses some similarity to Iggy Azalea who was defo still poppin back in 2015. I also think Latto is definitely someone who benefits from Pretty Privilege and probably Megan too.
Agree. I mean he’s cardi benefits bcuz sexy red is the first ghetto loud person accepted since cardi and I feel like cardi was digestible. But it was definitely her personality then and now. Latto I feel like benefits 100%. I’m not saying she sucks bcuz I’ve been a fan on Latto since I was kid when she was on RUclips before the rap game. The girl doesn’t suck at rapping she can rap and write. But she keeps making the SAME DAMN MUSIC. Over and over. People talk about Megan being the same but honestly her cadence is the only thing similar. Even if she has the same topic it’s different. Latto however is the same through and through. Megan I would say gets a little benefit now since she’s thinner but Megan has been and still is called a man for being tall and darker and being technically the only non mixed/ls mainstream rapper (saweetie, Latto, ice spice, Nicki, hell even Rico nasty, cardi, bia, doja. All of them are mixed. City girls and Flo are the only ones not)
This is hilarious because I swear on one of my previous videos someone commented “Ice Spice is not pretty” 😂😭 she’s a lil cutie to me. But also colorism is a helluva drug lol.
Colorism and featurism aside, Ice Spice has the combination of features that are beautiful and harmonious. It's her odd fashion/style choices that are off-throwing.
I disagree. I think she's adorable. I'm wondering why people are obsessed with the girl Yung Miami. It's JT who I think is the stunning one. Yung Miami looks very girl next door.
I'm with you but saying pretty privilege wasnt an issue back in the day is maybe not super accurate when half those girls had to be dating a rapper just to get a shot.
You are right. You should check out BKTheRula. She is an underground female artist. A lot of ppl do believe she is pretty. But she doesn’t subject to the sexualization of female rappers. She is not girly when it comes to her wardrobe. But she will wearing pretty nails designs and makeup. But that is as far as she will go. And she also loves to wears her natural hair. That is something you don’t see often in the rap game.
I swear I was just listening to this artist Skaiwater and saw she was bringing them on tour with her. I need to tap in! I love her aesthetic. And Tia Corine’s. ✨
She benefits from colourism. This is what happens when people use words any type of way. Ice spice benefits from the current beauty standard and part of that is colourism. She wouldn't have a career if she was darker with kinkier hair. I think we need to let the word pretty privilege go because people always mean beauty standards and pretty isnt a systematic privilege
Honestly I still don’t understand why cupcakKe is not more famous. Yeah some of her songs are funny but even in those she has clever lyrics and wordplay. And she has other songs that are on more serious subjects and sexual so she knows how to do both. I think she’s really talented and intelligent and deserves more fame than she has for sure, if she had better production I think she would get there
Subjectivity…but it’s also always going to go off gp having the same preferences hence same stilled standards. It still holds tho (pretty privilege problem) bc you can def point it out time and time again (all the patterns).
The first artist that comes to mind with pretty privilege was ice spice. As much as I like her, I dont think she would stay this popular if she wasn’t pretty. Unfortunely everyone’s turning on her more & more (valid reasons for most).
And this is why girls like Latto threaten Nicki Minaj. Pretty, gorgeous body AND bars. Metaphors. Double entendres. Triples. Ask yourself what she really did saying all the girls are eating now on Jason Lee show? Oh nothing. Nicki just needed a reason.
Doja gets away with everything simply bc of her looks. She would have faded away after Moo if she didn’t have the body she had. Even now, people will still ride for her after doing all the nasty things she has just bc of pretty privilege
@@drugstore999cowgrl well you would sure hope she’s good at what’s essentially…her job? She gets millions for that and she’s been doing it for years. We’re talking about how she blew up at the start, and also how she gets infantilised for awful behaviour/gets away with it simply due to how she looks.
Pretty privilege isn't the issue, it's the viral tik toks that get them famous right away, and then when the audience realizes they don't have real talent, they start flopping.
First example should be LilKim because before her there was no Sexy female rappers they all dressed like the men did. Kim Revolutionized this and made it fashion and pretty. Nicki dressed tomboy when she started too til she got her body done.
I think it's less of a pretty privilege issue and more so colorism. Cause most female rappers people are naming in the comments are generally pretty/ conventionally attractive. Honestly, I'd argue that to make it in the industry black women kind of HAVE to be pretty, most most of the popular femme rappers rn are fairer skinned BESIDES Megan, JT, Sexyy Red and Flo Milli and it took them FOREVER to get popular. Like yeah JT was part of city girls, but she had to be in a group and get cosigned by 3 different rappers and date lil uzi before starting a solo career w a solid fanbase. All of those girls are talented and all the girls bring something to the table in different ways, but it's undeniable that the top girls rn are all light skinned
Counterpoint (kind of): pretty privilege IS colourism. One of the features that makes someone (women especially) conventionally attractive is that they’re lighter skinned.
I wish people stopped using the word pretty privilege because it's nonsensical. We have a word that describes this and its beauty standard. They all fit the beauty standards in different ways; be it light skin, body shape or being consideted conventionally attractive. Pretty privilege as a term gets in the way of what is actually happening and i wish tiktok did not popularise it
Nicki minaj was the last female rapper who didn't get to where she was because of pretty privilege although she is talented and beautiful most female rappers nowadays are either in the industry beacuse they're pretty or beacuse the industry wants to get rid of a already established Rapper 😂
I remember on another video somebody made a comment about how Ice Spice looks like Ronald McDonald when she wears her little 'fro. Lmfao nearly pissed myself.
Many points were made here! Lol. I never really thought about how the aesthetics of Miami holding it down while JT was locked up contributed to the City Girls success but that is such an interesting point. Do you have a video that talks more about the way colorism plays into these artists success in addition to being "pretty"? Because no shade, but all the ones benefitting from pretty privilege don't always be pretty...sometimes they're just fairer skinned...I can't help but think that was an intentional commonality amongst the artists you said benefit from this privilege. Love your insights!
Doja Cat honestly makes some tracks that I consider to be “disposable art”. Not bad tracks, but definitely not her best work. That Moo track will always be hilarious to me though.
Honestly tierra whack, Rico nasty, doechii!! Always surprised me they aren't waaayyy more popular! They are amazing artists & deserve way more attention
It was wild seeing the McDonald’s deal given that the only two people to get it prior was Jordan and Travis Scott who was big with the Jordan collaborations. Saweet and sour sauce was a good pun though.
Your commentary is top tier, I remember subscribing the first video I watched. But for some reason it says I wasn’t, I still saw this in my feed though so that’s good 😌 YT stop playing with her lol
Armani Caesar is a woman in the rap game who has the "baddie look" but does lyric focused music - she's on Griselda. But, her collabs have been with other women in the undeground rap world or her labelmates. She did have a song with Kodak Black and most people weren't feeling that for several reasons. I feel like she should have WAY more attention because she does what people love saying is "missing" from women in rap and she has the look that her contemporaries have which brings people in like this video discusses. PLUS she doesn't only rap on the grimy, dusty Griselda beats, she has multiple freestyles and original songs on more current sounding production too.
Rapsody is PHENOMENAL and her new album is top tier 🤌🏾 10/10. But she doesn’t sexualize herself and definitely gives off MC Lyte and Queen Latifa vibes in terms of her image. I hope her album does well and that she sells out all of her tour dates because she is deserving!
It matters but not for long. Pretty privilege only makes most of them c listers. The girls don’t really sell well. Only Nicki consistently sells and she is skilled.
I think Saweetie actually makes good music despite not being a hardcore lyricist. Her music is still relatable and you can make sense of the lyrics. Sexy Reds music is worse than a lot of the “pretty girls” but since she’s the underdog she gets a pass to be mediocre AF. Her whole gimmick is being as nasty and doing things for shock value only it’s not shocking… just gross, but catchy I guess.
Embracing sex appeal isn't compromising your morals if that's who you are as a person. It's only against ones morals if they're doing something they don't want to or feel uncomfortable doing. Some women are naturally more sexual and are comfortable with it. I feel we need to stop putting our own morals and boundaries on others. You had me till that final statement
Check the credits, Cardi is the only name added to her remixes. Let's stop it. Check the credits, Tate Kobang and a couple others been writing Nicki Minaj raps for a long time. Educating yourself helps.
Nicki evolved too because she is versatile and that’s when u had different genres. We don’t really have different genres but rap and pussy rap for females rn. Pop r&b urban isn’t really a genre. If a rap girl put out something like starships rn it would flop bc it’s a different time
I generally just want to see more brown skin and darkskin female rappers win. With all of the variety, creativity, actual substance and talent- all of that. And when they do start popping up and out I hope they stop and don’t at all work with ppl that emulate them yet hate them😒. I just wanna see more brownskins and dark skins win period in the entertainment (music) industry😭😭🩶
female rappers are held up to pop star standards in term of aesthetics + they also need to be hypersexual in appearance and lyrics. While I'm not blaming her, I do think it started with Nicki and has just been exaggerated since then. I disagree that Doja's music was "corporate" tho, it was just pop. I dont buy she didnt like it because she gushed about the album at the time
I feel it's pretty privilege and a lot of colorism in the scene. Rappers like Flo Milli who are making bangers and rapping very well get nothing, while Ice is getting famous by the day.
A lot of female rappers all look the same like Republican women all look the same. Ice Spice and Latto look exactly the same. I feel like the tide is changing with women like Doechii and Tierra Whack. People are getting tired of the clones. I also think even these "pretty" rappers are starting to get frustrated with not being taken seriously. Like Saweetie and Megan The Stallion.
I think Latto does benefit from pretty privilege and colorism. With Megan, it’s more of her body paired with the sexual lyrics. If she didn’t show her body, there would be a decline in listeners imo.
Latto has actual TALENT. Look up a 2023 Latto feature. Check her credits. She has more solo credits than most these btcs out. Bars Metaphors. Double entendres. Triples. Let's not. Same with Meg. They can actually freestyle, wonder why Nicki Minaj never does or takes days too. @@tripleohcee
i wish we can have more female rappers or just female artists in general who have a gigantic artistic catalog of music that can overshadow their visual appearance and or the success that can build off of. im tired of seeing women being primarily visual aspects of enjoyment than seen as talented artists.
Very well said. Same here. As listeners it feels like they sell us the image first and music after. We’re worlds away, but I see that shifting in the future. People will want real artists back. ❤️🎶
@@tripleohceeespecially nowadays with social media. image is everything and comes first before your personality or talent. sucks that in recent times thats how we choose who stays relevant but hopefully in sooner time i hope everyone will want real artists and get tired of this monotony. 👏
I think Doja is slowly trying to build that type of reputation now. I mean she did say “you follow me but you don’t really care about the music”.
which is true, people either care about her looks or antics, they’re barely focused on the music.
IMO there are plenty out there, they just aren’t supported on the same level bc labels know exactly who + what to market for the most streams/brand deals rn and that’s simply women selling sex.
To s/o some relatively newer women doing their thing (that I haven’t seen in the comments yet): Jhene Aiko, Armani Caesar, Ambré, Liv.e, Yaya Bey, Enny, Cyanca, Amanda Reifer, BIA, Karrahboo, TiaCorine, S3nsi Molly, Woo da Savage, Mercury, Biskhit, Baby Osamaa, the list def goes on.
Rico Nasty is pretty big but not as famous as I thought she would be. She’s very creative and always giving a new look
Right?! She’s talented and an innovator
Love her
I agree. Back in 2018/2019 you couldn’t tell me she wouldn’t be a household name in rap by now.
always been a big rico fan! she's somewhat underground still but also has a very loyal fanbase and is well connected imo but i would describe her as more alt adjacent then mainstream than her more radio friendly peers for sure but the catalog and her looks always eats!! i saw on her tour twice tg and swear to god im in love to this day 💀
THIS
I think Cupcakke is a perfect example of how important pretty privilege is in the music industry. And personally, I think that cupcakke is beautiful, but she doesn’t have the “body” that so many female rappers have today. It sucks because she is really the best of the best, one of my favorite rappers of all time, and it doesn’t matter that she is so sexual because she has BARS.
Yes! And the crazy thing is, her having bars and even tapping into the sensual/sexual lyrics would have made her even more popular if she did benefit from pretty privilege. People eat that up!
I’ve listened to a few songs, but what are your favs from Cupcakke?
Oh this is facts and her songs were way better then ice spice
@@bkburnaz not only ice spice. to be clear, lyrically, cupcakke stands next to nicki
Duuuude it’s so sad how image obsessed society is. If a woman isn’t willing to get surgery and shake the result in front of everyone then it’s just not ok. Why do we care about body parts so much? 😭
We make or break these stars. So uplifting her than itself of complaining huh
You mean the whole music/entertainment industry has a pretty privilege problem. We are assaulted by so much mediocrity these days behind a pretty face or banging body
Wow it’s almost as if that’s exactly what the topic of the video is!!! Omg you’re so smart!
Doechi is insanely talented.
Ridiculously!
The best there is man 😭♥️
My problem isn't necessarily pretty privilege, it's the fact a lot of it is deeply rooted in colorism and prejudice. Most people bash the city girls be it physically or musically which can be tied to the image of black women while Ice Spice gives people the fantasy of being a black woman without being a black woman.
Same with cardi..but they refuse refuuuuse to ever really admit or acknowledge it frfr. Idk what’s worse holding on desperately to ODR or the selective attention “skills”
@watermelonhagi26 well said, i have to agree.
You had me in the first half, not gon' lie. 😅
@@TheEarthRealm unless you're actually gonna add something why respond?
It’s because the female rap scene is about selling looks and a persona, not the actual music
I feel like rap has always been like this. Esp more and more selling certain detrimental, deceiving images in huge increments. However, female rap has always had this problem worst in a (lot) of way(s)-starting with tft nobody takes female rap all too seriously and nobody had/has much hope for female rappers (rap in general but ofc the ppl that make it up).
@@Boohurghhoo Yeah. Female rappers are public figures instead of musicians atp
Looks only became important once social media became relevant. Before that there was always the Gangsta Boo, La Chat, Da Brat, Mc Money, Mc Gold’s of the game who were promiscuous personas, but not known at all for their looks.
I would say Megan thee stallion is a great example to how pretty privilege has destroyed the landscape of female rappers bc she had to be above exceptional talented to be taken serious and it’s still a battle. For me megan is beautiful but in a pam Grier, lupita Nyong’o way, she has beautiful Afrocentric features but the industry much prefer female rappers with Eurocentric features aka Kim Kardashian, Ariana grande, Zendaya levels of beautiful being spicy white or blackish coded since being racially ambiguous is now the 21st century western standard of beauty and desirability, Q-Tip revealed a while back when Megan tried getting signed to record labels executors turned her down and told her that it was bc she wasn’t racially ambiguous and didn’t have a big social media following in the similar vein as cardi and Megan flipped this by making both her talent and personality the driving force to her virality. I feel this a big factor to other female rappers like doechii, rapsody, Tierra whack, and JT it’s not so much being sexualized that’s part of it but it’s also featurism and colorism attached to it bc as I previously stated being racially ambiguous is the new beauty standard and fitting into this new standards means getting entertainers who are the center piece to this new standards
I agree, even though Meg is A GODDESS and Bars for days so they could never ignore her. She is a force. But mostly if the industry wasnt ONLY trying to sell sex we could have a variety of rappers. Like we need the round the way femme rapper, trans girl rapper, goth girl, tomboy, awkward girl etc because then girls could have someone they relate too. Left eye was perfect for this! She sold COOL not sex.
👏 👏 👏
@@ThisEvilBunnyAgreed and the thing is through TLC left eye knew how to sell she and she continued to display sexuality in her solo music but 1) only on her own terms and agency and 2) she showed a variety of her personality that wasn’t centered solely on sex
I feel like ppl will always find a way to make something niche and appropriate inappropriate. Like ppl if they really get there will sexualize anything (slightest thing eventually) and w/ upcoming female rappers it only takes one time; a switch and then it’s sexualizing too from then on out. Like Megan, I feel like Megan is the best example. Yes she always had a proactive edge but still she took it all the way more n more esp after that whole wap bs. Even if they wanna yell out hate esp when colorism,featurism, and all that extra odd shit there’s still the even odder fetishization part that is still there and comes back around. For someone like Tierra whack,sexxy, or even JT ppl will act like that’s not what it is and will be quick to talk down on them whether it a bc of physical appearances or “they just don’t like them” (while loving tf out of a lighter version of them, even making too many excuses for that preferred type) they will find a way to still have a weird sexual fetishized gaze at them…and it’s like…? I agree with everything else you said but the sexualization (even in the most weird who would have thought ways) is very much still there along with ofc everything else they’ll pile on.
True
Doja cat cupcakke Rico bree runway and flo milli are beautiful but bc they dont fit the female rapper ideal look they’re treated a way when doja lost weight and decided to shave her head ppl got so weird about her appearance and when she wears more wigs again now(she never stopped wearing them) ppl are nicer for bree and flo milli i can only say that’s straight colorism
Um no. Doja literally blew up in part bc of her looks. In 2020 people were obsessed with her body- I guarantee if she had a slim or regular body shape she would have faded away after moo or say so.
@@p3rsianb4bythat’s literally what they said. Doja blew up yes but she fell off due to ppl not liking how she looked. Yes she does weird shit but she shaved her head, lost weight and instead of focusing on her weird bf, the demonic symbolism and odd racism…the FIRST thing said was they don’t like her anymore bcuz she’s not thick and pretty like she used to be
@@kiki13451 but the thing is she never truly fell off- despite all the awful nasty things she’s done as soon as she put a wig back on and people saw her body shape again they forgive her for everything. She gets coddled and infantilised bc of pretty privilege. Any other rapper would have never been able to comeback
You know a rapper who makes 🔥🔥🔥 songs almost on the level of a Kendrick or JCole but doesn’t get enough credit? Little Simz. She’s the strong, righteous rapper who could and should be huge, but may not have as much buzz cause she’s from the UK and also a woman who doesn’t really flaunt her body the same way that Nicki or Ice Spice do (not that there’s anything wrong with that but yeah)
UK rappers will have it more difficult but it's easier than 1995
YES!!!
If you like Little Simz do you know of Nolay? She’s a beast and is considered one of the UK’s top mc’s, male or female
the crazy thing is Little Simz has been grinding much longer than Ice Spice has. Simz is 10x more talented than Ice Spice. But the gap between UK rap and US audiences is quite large.
I’ll check her out right now thank you 🙏🏽
I love Tierra Whack a lot. She's incredibly creative and has bars for days but like you said, because she isn't sexualizing her image in any way she doesn't get recognition she deserves. I think her music and visuals feel like breath of fresh air in the oversaturation of hypersexualized female rappers.
i LOVE tierra
Funny how the culture changed in 30 years. Back in the day before Kim blew up Diddy reportedly told Kim that she was “too pretty” to be a rapper.
Now it is a PRE-REQUISITE.
Right?! They expected women to be harder, rugged and more focused on the music back then. 🤦🏽♀️ now if you aren’t pretty, no streams for you.
If she was told she was pretty she sure wasn’t convinced if it. She’s done more to alter her look than MJ did
If Rapsody had redone her whole face and body and wasn't covered up she would be one of the top female rappers because she is definitely one of the most talented. Have you checked out her new album?
Yes! She is one of the main artists I envisioned when making this. Raw talent. She just refuses to fit their mold. 💪🏽
It’s def on my list. I may check it out this week. Did you enjoy it?
@@tripleohcee I love it. It's probably my favorite album of the year so far.
I just left a comment about her! Her album is so good Jesus!!! One of the BEST rap albums to drop this year, not female rap but best rap album periodt!❤❤❤
Right! Literally was listening to her album Eve all day today. It’s criminal how slept on she is. And it’s all because she it’s not a conventional pretty woman. Smh
Record labels need to understand pretty privilege and getting a couple of hits doesn’t equal longevity these artists aren’t staying as long 3-4 years and they are silent.
They just worried bout quick money
I recently saw a little music podcast where a segment touched on billboard’s “10 hottest female rappers right now” list. Some guys on this all-male podcast instantly assumes billboard had published a list ranking their looks and proceeded to rank the girls bodies🤦🏾♂️
Had billboard posted a top 10 list for male rappers the instant assumption would absolutely NOT be that the list was ranking the male rappers looks.
Wow! That is absolutely crazy because it’s true. They would automatically start saying who had the better bars, punchlines, flows.. they would never care about looks, smh.
i think Cardi is pretty but i definitely wouldn't consider her rise from her body - back in 2017 when she blew up I feel like she blew up because she didnt sound like anyone else, and she had a marketable personality. I think with time the body has helped moving towards Press, Up and WAP but back in 2018 i feel like most of her marketability came from her loud personality and the fact that her accent made her sound really different from others because while people like mariah lynn also had a personality like that, the way she raps definitely poses some similarity to Iggy Azalea who was defo still poppin back in 2015. I also think Latto is definitely someone who benefits from Pretty Privilege and probably Megan too.
I will agree there. I think Cardi’s relatability and realness made her very popular. And her sound was different compared to other women in the game.
Agree. I mean he’s cardi benefits bcuz sexy red is the first ghetto loud person accepted since cardi and I feel like cardi was digestible. But it was definitely her personality then and now. Latto I feel like benefits 100%. I’m not saying she sucks bcuz I’ve been a fan on Latto since I was kid when she was on RUclips before the rap game. The girl doesn’t suck at rapping she can rap and write. But she keeps making the SAME DAMN MUSIC. Over and over. People talk about Megan being the same but honestly her cadence is the only thing similar. Even if she has the same topic it’s different. Latto however is the same through and through. Megan I would say gets a little benefit now since she’s thinner but Megan has been and still is called a man for being tall and darker and being technically the only non mixed/ls mainstream rapper (saweetie, Latto, ice spice, Nicki, hell even Rico nasty, cardi, bia, doja. All of them are mixed. City girls and Flo are the only ones not)
If you have to change your face multiples times, you aren’t pretty.
Mid af Spice has to bend over for interactions while Riot writes the nursery rhymes
"Stop playing with em Riot" 😀
the rap industry is so colorist
Very much so. So sad!
ALL the popular girlies are mixed race, not black, and that's what people are missing. They're saying colourist, when in fact it's straight up racism.
Yeah, yall hated Iggy because of her color.
@@eldiablo4160 “i’m a runaway slave… master” -iggy
@@eldiablo4160oh so this is what using words wrong look like 💀
Instagram has ruined society. It's the main factor in being appearance-centric instead of focusing on talent/skillset
I really struggle to see what you ppl see in ice spice. She is so odd looking 😭
This is hilarious because I swear on one of my previous videos someone commented “Ice Spice is not pretty” 😂😭 she’s a lil cutie to me. But also colorism is a helluva drug lol.
Colorism and featurism aside, Ice Spice has the combination of features that are beautiful and harmonious. It's her odd fashion/style choices that are off-throwing.
@@sadhourstwentyfourseven9578 I don’t think she has good features personally😭
I disagree. I think she's adorable. I'm wondering why people are obsessed with the girl Yung Miami. It's JT who I think is the stunning one. Yung Miami looks very girl next door.
@@matxalenc8410 you think ice spice is prettier than yung Miami?
I'm with you but saying pretty privilege wasnt an issue back in the day is maybe not super accurate when half those girls had to be dating a rapper just to get a shot.
You are right. You should check out BKTheRula. She is an underground female artist. A lot of ppl do believe she is pretty. But she doesn’t subject to the sexualization of female rappers. She is not girly when it comes to her wardrobe. But she will wearing pretty nails designs and makeup. But that is as far as she will go. And she also loves to wears her natural hair. That is something you don’t see often in the rap game.
I swear I was just listening to this artist Skaiwater and saw she was bringing them on tour with her. I need to tap in!
I love her aesthetic. And Tia Corine’s. ✨
Somebody commented Ice Spice is peak beauty standards and thats crazy to me 🫠
i re-read that comment like 7x cause i thought i had to hallucinating
She benefits from colourism. This is what happens when people use words any type of way.
Ice spice benefits from the current beauty standard and part of that is colourism. She wouldn't have a career if she was darker with kinkier hair.
I think we need to let the word pretty privilege go because people always mean beauty standards and pretty isnt a systematic privilege
Honestly I still don’t understand why cupcakKe is not more famous. Yeah some of her songs are funny but even in those she has clever lyrics and wordplay. And she has other songs that are on more serious subjects and sexual so she knows how to do both. I think she’s really talented and intelligent and deserves more fame than she has for sure, if she had better production I think she would get there
Not really cause let's be real some of um aint that pretty, they just light and new!😂 Yal call everyone in the limelight pretty! Stop it!
Subjectivity…but it’s also always going to go off gp having the same preferences hence same stilled standards. It still holds tho (pretty privilege problem) bc you can def point it out time and time again (all the patterns).
I smell insecurity
Miami isn’t pretty
💯
I dont actually listen to Saweetie that much but she's far better than Ice Spice
She does switch it up more. I loved that Icy Girl era!
The first artist that comes to mind with pretty privilege was ice spice. As much as I like her, I dont think she would stay this popular if she wasn’t pretty. Unfortunely everyone’s turning on her more & more (valid reasons for most).
Gimme a Light is such a headache.
Agreed
Flo milli should be way bigger
And this is why girls like Latto threaten Nicki Minaj. Pretty, gorgeous body AND bars. Metaphors. Double entendres. Triples. Ask yourself what she really did saying all the girls are eating now on Jason Lee show? Oh nothing. Nicki just needed a reason.
Lmaoooo
Lmao she’s not a threat! Latto isn’t even Top 10.
You’re slow.
Um….
Doja gets away with everything simply bc of her looks. She would have faded away after Moo if she didn’t have the body she had. Even now, people will still ride for her after doing all the nasty things she has just bc of pretty privilege
Right, blowing up off Moo had a lot to do with her looks and body. And even still everyone loves her. She can drag her fans, and they still adore her.
nah, she's insanely talented and objectively a great performer. you can tell she puts her all into her concerts
@@drugstore999cowgrl well you would sure hope she’s good at what’s essentially…her job? She gets millions for that and she’s been doing it for years. We’re talking about how she blew up at the start, and also how she gets infantilised for awful behaviour/gets away with it simply due to how she looks.
Pretty privilege isn't the issue, it's the viral tik toks that get them famous right away, and then when the audience realizes they don't have real talent, they start flopping.
We needed a sister in the rap commentary sphere. Great video keep going and I'm sure you'll become a professional
90's: Talent First + then Looks, 2024: Looks- 0 Talent. About sums it up.
ice could NEVER pull off a remix of doja cat's moo, or any of her songs. Doja js has that voice, ice doesn't
The BEST juicy version is on Colors 🔥
Hello! I love that song and performance so much. ❤️🔥
First example should be LilKim because before her there was no Sexy female rappers they all dressed like the men did. Kim Revolutionized this and made it fashion and pretty. Nicki dressed tomboy when she started too til she got her body done.
Here’s some female rappers to check into; Lexii Alijai, LoLa Monroe, Lul Sis & Beanz real barz, real life.
RIP Lexii Alijai 💔 I will def be checking these out. Thank you! I love real artists and lyricists.
@@tripleohcee yessss LLL. 🩷 I would love to hear your feedback after you listen to them 🩷
I think it's less of a pretty privilege issue and more so colorism. Cause most female rappers people are naming in the comments are generally pretty/ conventionally attractive. Honestly, I'd argue that to make it in the industry black women kind of HAVE to be pretty, most most of the popular femme rappers rn are fairer skinned BESIDES Megan, JT, Sexyy Red and Flo Milli and it took them FOREVER to get popular. Like yeah JT was part of city girls, but she had to be in a group and get cosigned by 3 different rappers and date lil uzi before starting a solo career w a solid fanbase. All of those girls are talented and all the girls bring something to the table in different ways, but it's undeniable that the top girls rn are all light skinned
Counterpoint (kind of): pretty privilege IS colourism. One of the features that makes someone (women especially) conventionally attractive is that they’re lighter skinned.
I wish people stopped using the word pretty privilege because it's nonsensical. We have a word that describes this and its beauty standard.
They all fit the beauty standards in different ways; be it light skin, body shape or being consideted conventionally attractive.
Pretty privilege as a term gets in the way of what is actually happening and i wish tiktok did not popularise it
And the industry is Very colorist.
Very!
Ahhhh, I miss the days when you had to have actual talent to even get a spot in the industry
Seems it was so long ago!
I like how you seem realistic and logical when talking about these topics.
Tiara Whack is crazy creative and fun to listen to. She’s definitely one of the ones being snubbed by pretty privilege
Most def! She is truly art in every form. Music, fashion and beyond. Her genius is def overlooked because of pretty privilege.
She’s my fav
Nicki minaj was the last female rapper who didn't get to where she was because of pretty privilege although she is talented and beautiful most female rappers nowadays are either in the industry beacuse they're pretty or beacuse the industry wants to get rid of a already established Rapper 😂
I remember on another video somebody made a comment about how Ice Spice looks like Ronald McDonald when she wears her little 'fro. Lmfao nearly pissed myself.
Many points were made here! Lol. I never really thought about how the aesthetics of Miami holding it down while JT was locked up contributed to the City Girls success but that is such an interesting point. Do you have a video that talks more about the way colorism plays into these artists success in addition to being "pretty"? Because no shade, but all the ones benefitting from pretty privilege don't always be pretty...sometimes they're just fairer skinned...I can't help but think that was an intentional commonality amongst the artists you said benefit from this privilege. Love your insights!
Doja Cat honestly makes some tracks that I consider to be “disposable art”. Not bad tracks, but definitely not her best work.
That Moo track will always be hilarious to me though.
When you said subscribe in the beginning, the subscribe botton started sparkling.
Honestly tierra whack, Rico nasty, doechii!! Always surprised me they aren't waaayyy more popular! They are amazing artists & deserve way more attention
Its the psychology behind all this body and face augmentation thats the central issue.
So true. A lot of these faces and bodies don’t even look the same in real life. They are selling the illusion prepackaged with music!
It was wild seeing the McDonald’s deal given that the only two people to get it prior was Jordan and Travis Scott who was big with the Jordan collaborations. Saweet and sour sauce was a good pun though.
Your commentary is top tier, I remember subscribing the first video I watched. But for some reason it says I wasn’t, I still saw this in my feed though so that’s good 😌 YT stop playing with her lol
Period! 💖 They better get it together, lol. Thank you!
It’s constantly looks over talent and it’s honestly the downfall
Girl i need u to talk about Rico Nasty pleaseee, i feel like ppl look over her beacuse she is alternative
Armani Caesar is a woman in the rap game who has the "baddie look" but does lyric focused music - she's on Griselda. But, her collabs have been with other women in the undeground rap world or her labelmates. She did have a song with Kodak Black and most people weren't feeling that for several reasons. I feel like she should have WAY more attention because she does what people love saying is "missing" from women in rap and she has the look that her contemporaries have which brings people in like this video discusses. PLUS she doesn't only rap on the grimy, dusty Griselda beats, she has multiple freestyles and original songs on more current sounding production too.
Armani Ceasar is the perfect example of a lyrical baddie rapper
Brat looks the same! I love her!
Exact same! I used to be obsessed with “What’Chu Like” featuring Tyrese 😂💖
@@tripleohcee EXACTLY! & “That’s What I’m Looking For” came out around that time too!🔥
@@rashidareeves78whew yes! what a timeee, they don’t make rap hits like that anymore. so fire!🔥
I can’t believe ice spice went viral from boys a liar even tho it was pinkpantheress’ song 😭
Pretty privilege?? Bia can’t sell water and toilet paper but sexy redd is the one of the highest streamed female rappers atm.
love lady london
Same! She does her thing 💖
I was a fan of Nicki before every knowing what she looked like or who she was affiliated with. I hard the "go hard " remix 🔥 and wanted to hear more
Rapsody is PHENOMENAL and her new album is top tier 🤌🏾 10/10. But she doesn’t sexualize herself and definitely gives off MC Lyte and Queen Latifa vibes in terms of her image. I hope her album does well and that she sells out all of her tour dates because she is deserving!
couldn't have said it better, great video
LIFE has a pretty privledge, duh
It doesn’t
All female rappers are pretty
Your faves just have weak sales
Agreed.
Pretty? By who's standards?
Lady London from Def Jam is my fav female rapper
people who know nicki aint ever have surgery on her face are the OGS
She’s really had the same face forever. Annnd her momma. 😂
Who is saying she’s so mother cause that’s not how even how it’s used lmao
It matters but not for long. Pretty privilege only makes most of them c listers. The girls don’t really sell well. Only Nicki consistently sells and she is skilled.
C-Listers is soooo real. Nicki sells records and switches it up. 💖
I think Saweetie actually makes good music despite not being a hardcore lyricist. Her music is still relatable and you can make sense of the lyrics. Sexy Reds music is worse than a lot of the “pretty girls” but since she’s the underdog she gets a pass to be mediocre AF. Her whole gimmick is being as nasty and doing things for shock value only it’s not shocking… just gross, but catchy I guess.
I honestly don't think pretty privilege is bad just have some talent behind it
FACTS. You have to be pretty or strive to be pretty in order to make it now.😅
Embracing sex appeal isn't compromising your morals if that's who you are as a person. It's only against ones morals if they're doing something they don't want to or feel uncomfortable doing. Some women are naturally more sexual and are comfortable with it. I feel we need to stop putting our own morals and boundaries on others. You had me till that final statement
Not only does female rap have a pretty privilege problem, but it also has a colorism problem.
Sadly ur body matters more then your songs now a days
Artists create love. Some of these people just perform
Good afternoon: 1st person that literally came to my mind was Cardi B. But she not really a rapper to me. Latto is pretty.
Good afternoon! Agreed. Latto is pretty and I think people care about her appearance more than raps sometimes.
Rapsody, Tink, Kamiyah, Dreezy, ScarLip, ect.
Kamaiyah has been slept on since the beginning, her songs are radio worthy to me
Check the credits, Cardi is the only name added to her remixes. Let's stop it. Check the credits, Tate Kobang and a couple others been writing Nicki Minaj raps for a long time. Educating yourself helps.
Nicki evolved too because she is versatile and that’s when u had different genres. We don’t really have different genres but rap and pussy rap for females rn. Pop r&b urban isn’t really a genre. If a rap girl put out something like starships rn it would flop bc it’s a different time
Can’t Lie the prettier rappers are trash!
I think many of them know they don’t have to try so hard, smh.
We up late 💅🏽
Cardi had no business doing that sht to her body
I generally just want to see more brown skin and darkskin female rappers win. With all of the variety, creativity, actual substance and talent- all of that. And when they do start popping up and out I hope they stop and don’t at all work with ppl that emulate them yet hate them😒. I just wanna see more brownskins and dark skins win period in the entertainment (music) industry😭😭🩶
Pay it when it’s right in front of their face.
female rappers are held up to pop star standards in term of aesthetics + they also need to be hypersexual in appearance and lyrics. While I'm not blaming her, I do think it started with Nicki and has just been exaggerated since then.
I disagree that Doja's music was "corporate" tho, it was just pop. I dont buy she didnt like it because she gushed about the album at the time
LIBIANCA Is a great example of 100% talents 0% Looks
I’m gonna have to check them out! Never heard of em. 🤔
I feel it's pretty privilege and a lot of colorism in the scene. Rappers like Flo Milli who are making bangers and rapping very well get nothing, while Ice is getting famous by the day.
Oh you mean like every other industry?
9:02 lets have that conversation, even male artist ain exempt from that one lol
Not exempt at all. 😂 We might have to discuss in an upcoming video.
A lot of female rappers all look the same like Republican women all look the same. Ice Spice and Latto look exactly the same. I feel like the tide is changing with women like Doechii and Tierra Whack. People are getting tired of the clones. I also think even these "pretty" rappers are starting to get frustrated with not being taken seriously. Like Saweetie and Megan The Stallion.
What about rubi rose
The whole 🌏 has a pretty problem... 🤷🏿♂️
A lot of these are light skinned privilege through colorism.
What do you think Megan and Latto benefit from
I think Latto does benefit from pretty privilege and colorism. With Megan, it’s more of her body paired with the sexual lyrics. If she didn’t show her body, there would be a decline in listeners imo.
Latto has actual TALENT. Look up a 2023 Latto feature. Check her credits. She has more solo credits than most these btcs out. Bars Metaphors. Double entendres. Triples. Let's not. Same with Meg. They can actually freestyle, wonder why Nicki Minaj never does or takes days too. @@tripleohcee
@3:13 I totally see it and would eat it up.
Honestly i dont think NM has pretty privilege... if she did shed be a one hit wonder... secondly she isnt even pretty lol lets be fr
@@Safa0Hussain you got nerve 💀
coi leray fss
They're all so gorgeous...I didn't see sexy red tho...or is she not considered pretty or untalented to you?
Sexxy Redd isn’t impacted by pretty privilege IMO & I think that is the topic of the video
Now you know people don’t think she’s pretty
I think Sexyy Red’s case is more so “sex sells”
@@diablabeauty4585 then .. what's hers impacted by..? Cuz I don't really think her songs show skill
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