Ahh thank God. I thought you said 4000 and that had me wondering if I should pass on this upgrade. But 1000 is actually cheaper than the tune I installed on my 718 Boxster. So...let's go!
Seeing an EV getting dyno'd was quite interesting. Pretty nuts to think where technology is going these days. Btw loved Pancake's attempt at getting in the car. She did her best.
Ok the configuration you need on snow to not get stuck is : 1. Keep tracking control on 2. Turn off one pedel 3. Turn on Creep mode 4. Turn off collision assistance Then you can plow though anything. I learned the hard way.
In a car with no gearbox then yes, torque is what you directly feel on your back, but in a car with a gearbox you can always generate (wheel)torque with proper gearing if your engine has a lot of RPM to play with but not much torque. You can have a ton of torque but no RPMs, so in order to move at reasonable speeds you need longer gears and longer gears decrease wheel torque, which is what ultimately makes the car accelerate. So yeah, proper use of power wins races, always.
I think what gets me is that horsepower *is a function of torque.* It’s the torque delivery rate. Comparing them as separate entities is like asking whether air or breathing is better.
Torque IS power. Both are directly linked. When we say that a car accelerates better because more torque, it's just another way (that is not quite right) to say that it has more power in the low end
Torque is a force, it is not power. You can have exceptionally high torque, with minimal power. Imaging a toddler turning a manual winch with a 100 foot long level. Exceptional torque, still has the power of a toddler.
You. You said torque is power. It is not. A car doesn’t accelerate better because of torque. It accelerates because of power (torque at a rate of work) and gear ratios.
@@Meiliv Yeah, unless you're saying someone hacked your account? That is the parent comment to this thread. "Torque IS power. Both are directly linked. When we say that a car accelerates better because more torque, it's just another way (that is not quite right) to say that it has more power in the low end"
Awesome video .car looks awesome and update ova was cool to see i just wish u would have shared..update time in definitely polar star fan thanks 4 sharing
Don't know what your SoC was during the dyno run, but that affects the outcome. The extra horses from the upgrade are available at: SoC 70%-100% --> fully available SoC 40%-70% --> limited available Soc 0%-40% --> not available
I want to be honest... Your videos definitely have a higher quality with a camera man and these cinematic shots BUT I personally liked the VLOG style videos more because they are more like "real", i guess... Nevertheless very nice video!
i can't wait to see the polestar 2 on the Nurburgring! :D P.S: for whatever reason I started making car noises when the car was running on the dyno lol
“Bhp wins races, torque breaks shit” Alex Peak Performance Reviews. Impressive all the same and yeah in an EV tbf yeah the torque would or may be more important 👍
Depends on what you care about. Model 3 performance version is still faster with better acceleration. Hell even the long range model 3 is still faster, with better acceleration and an extra 100 miles of range or so. So not quite sure what advantage the extra HP or torque gives you here Also I’m not sure what videos you’ve watched but most have said the model 3 has better responsiveness and handling. I test drove them and thought the same thing. Polestar weighs like half a thousand pounds more than it, not much you can do about that. Where polestar wins is in suspension and damping. It has a much smoother ride. That’s why you get the car, not for it’s faster acceleration or top speed, but for it’s smoothness and ride quality.
@@philorgneopolotin8762 True, just happy to see Polestar catching up in other categories. Range is the biggest disadvantage, but that is to be expected for CMA platform vehicles, and the next generation model should have none of those constraints. (Primarily ICE optimized chassis which makes adding a larger battery frustratingly difficult.) However, the P2 is already winning in terms of looks, interior quality, build quality, arguably technology, and price. Although what I'm really exited for is the Polestar 3.
....hp is the power of your engine. it's just that peak power only tells where it is, the overall power curve matters(and dictates the torque curve anyway).
If that make any different in range? And you can make video see what feels different between software updates now and before? How much for software updates? Can anyone have one make it? Real Thanks for your information keep going 👍🏼
Out of curiosity, what color Polestar is this? I assume it's a Moon version, but I can't be sure. Some of their colors really look different depending on the lighting.
I watched a couple reviews on the Lucid EV and I like the looks of this Polestar much more. Plus it cost like 1/3 as much so I'm sure Polestar will be selling well. Tesla Plaid is impressive but 0 to 60 mph in less than 3 seconds is completely unnecessary.
0 to 100 in 3 seconds improves security and that’s why I’m looking for it in my next car. But I love my polestar. I drive 210 half of the time so it’s important to take into consideration.
Sweet, have the upgrade in my own P2, and love the upgrade… But, you talked about ”your personal” chassi settings (not only no of damper clicks), when can you reveal your chassis settings? Camber, caster toe and so on?
Can't wait to get my upgrade. I hope they bring it soon to the US. I wish you had showed the prices of buying the upgrade and seeing where it shows up. I also wish it had a little more top speed at least the same as the Model 3.
Sadly we can't get it in Belgium, although 408hp is still more than enough for everyday driving, to overtake people and all. The car is already amazing nonetheless.
9:31 the horsepower/torque explanation is off. Horsepower is literally the power, torque is not. The torque/horsepower remark of Jay Leno is also out of context. It only works when comparing a gas car with grunt throughout the rev range, which typically means high torque, with a peaky engine with a lot of hp in a narrow range. This remark came from a time where gearboxes had very few ratios, such that peak power was less important and behavior throughout the rev range was more important.
Hey Misha, Oh firstly i saw how make a Software Update to a electric Car. 👌 Nice. I hope in Future ist coming more of them to many vihicles and the topspeed goes up. Have a nice Weekend and VG ✌️
Torque isn’t more important! Maybe if you are towing something or your car is really heavy. But for sporty driving, speed and performance horsepower is much more important. If it wouldn’t be this case a 911 Gt3 would be as fast as 2.0 tdi…
I'm gonna be honest, I was just thinking yesterday whether this was possible "to upgrade" if we would like to when we buy it. Also, can this upgrade also compatible on LR and SR single Motor's?
The single motors are 175kW from a single motor, I think the dual motor upgrade is putting the torque and power on each of the dual motors up to that carefully without affecting the battery
Are those graphs horsepower and torque at the wheels, or "corrected" in some weird way? (ICE guys love to add nonsense "corrections" to try to get crankshaft horsepower and it's invariably wrong!)
Great video!!!! €1000 is crazy money, for what is 0 & 1 over the internet. Also, small thing. There is no 'torques', the plural of torque is torque. Just like you wouldn't say 'horsepowers'
I hope that others will also have the same options to up-sell performance packs after the fact, sort of like a DLC OTA update. Webshop, click, click and you’re done 😍
Hi Misha, I have reviewed your videos on Polestar 2 and I have ordered the Long Range dual motor with performance pack, pilot pack and plus options. I currently own a BMW M5 (2016) F10 and I am interested to know what are the best settings to setup the Öhlins Dual Flow Valve dampers for country winding roads and motorway driving. Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Hi Misha, many thanks for showing this as there is a dearth of information in the upgrade so far. I'm keen to get your thoughts on the sharper throttle mapping. When test driving, it was very obvious that the mapping was very slow/wide on initial travel, then ramped up quickly making it feel a little dull. Supposedly this update sharpens that response on part throttle applications.
That's the first time I see an eletrical car in dyno. The torque curve going lower as speed increases looked a bit different to me. Did you know if it's done eletronically to save battery, it has something to do with the transmission or there are some other reason I didn't figuring out?
Nah, for one part it's how electric motors work and for the other half it's tuned that way. Think of it as the opposite approach how OEM Turbo engines are calibrated: flat torque peak all the way through the mid rpm range and then falling off while power tops out around max rpm.
Nice video. But, the audio levels are all over the place in this video. The music is too much louder than the rest of the content. Please watch those audio peaks! 🙂
Just a big pronounciation correction: it sounds like I say four thousand Euro €4000, but I mean for (a) thousand Euro €1000 .
Haha, that is a big differet😂
Ahh, already wondered and thought "wow, that's a lot for software" but 1000€ is very much ok!
I heard it the way you meant it but can understand that others might not have.
I thought 4000 was expensive for a software update, thanks for the clarification.
Ahh thank God. I thought you said 4000 and that had me wondering if I should pass on this upgrade. But 1000 is actually cheaper than the tune I installed on my 718 Boxster. So...let's go!
Seeing an EV getting dyno'd was quite interesting. Pretty nuts to think where technology is going these days. Btw loved Pancake's attempt at getting in the car. She did her best.
Ok the configuration you need on snow to not get stuck is :
1. Keep tracking control on
2. Turn off one pedel
3. Turn on Creep mode
4. Turn off collision assistance
Then you can plow though anything. I learned the hard way.
In a car with no gearbox then yes, torque is what you directly feel on your back, but in a car with a gearbox you can always generate (wheel)torque with proper gearing if your engine has a lot of RPM to play with but not much torque. You can have a ton of torque but no RPMs, so in order to move at reasonable speeds you need longer gears and longer gears decrease wheel torque, which is what ultimately makes the car accelerate. So yeah, proper use of power wins races, always.
Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall, and torque is how far you move the wall. 😂
Yep, its an old myth that wont die. I guess because traditions.
I think what gets me is that horsepower *is a function of torque.* It’s the torque delivery rate. Comparing them as separate entities is like asking whether air or breathing is better.
Torque IS power. Both are directly linked. When we say that a car accelerates better because more torque, it's just another way (that is not quite right) to say that it has more power in the low end
Torque is a force, it is not power. You can have exceptionally high torque, with minimal power. Imaging a toddler turning a manual winch with a 100 foot long level. Exceptional torque, still has the power of a toddler.
Who said the opposite?
You. You said torque is power. It is not. A car doesn’t accelerate better because of torque. It accelerates because of power (torque at a rate of work) and gear ratios.
No no, not me
@@Meiliv Yeah, unless you're saying someone hacked your account? That is the parent comment to this thread.
"Torque IS power. Both are directly linked. When we say that a car accelerates better because more torque, it's just another way (that is not quite right) to say that it has more power in the low end"
Really loving the cinematography of this video!
Love the production quality upgrade!
Except the editor is using "that music" that so many vloggers use.
Looks like I may have just found my next car! Thanks Misha !!!!
The new production quality is appreciated. No vertigo during this episode for me. I'm really looking forward to video of moving vehicles.
Awesome video .car looks awesome and update ova was cool to see i just wish u would have shared..update time in definitely polar star fan thanks 4 sharing
Can't wait to see the video where you take it back to the track with the new upgrade and erlang settings
Nice quality upgrade for the production of the video. It‘s very pleasant to watch and enables the viewer to focus on the content.
This dyno has so much history on this channel
thanks for the efforts testing it on Dyno ! I will go for it :)
Interesting as ICE vehicles quote output at the flywheel/.. Polestar quotes at the wheels!!!!
Gives You the punch between ~60-140km/h, that is all You need on the roads. Mindful tuning
Nice C30 in the shop! Hope it drives out with 500+!
Don't know what your SoC was during the dyno run, but that affects the outcome. The extra horses from the upgrade are available at:
SoC 70%-100% --> fully available
SoC 40%-70% --> limited available
Soc 0%-40% --> not available
It was above 70! :)
Very cool! Tunning over the air!
I want to be honest... Your videos definitely have a higher quality with a camera man and these cinematic shots BUT I personally liked the VLOG style videos more because they are more like "real", i guess...
Nevertheless very nice video!
Totally understandable!
i can't wait to see the polestar 2 on the Nurburgring! :D
P.S: for whatever reason I started making car noises when the car was running on the dyno lol
Same here 🤣 I'll bet we are not the only ones 🤣 bbrraaaapppp ppttccssh
Great vid as always Misha.
Looking forward for Robert to get his! Maybe a Polestar 2 MR package on the channel this spring?😉
Wow, nice torque!
I want that Polestar hoody!
No ear muffs where used in the making of this video 😋
It's so quiet
“Bhp wins races, torque breaks shit” Alex Peak Performance Reviews.
Impressive all the same and yeah in an EV tbf yeah the torque would or may be more important 👍
Interessant om een EV op de dyno te zien. Hele andere curves dan bij ICE. Nu wachten op de eerste ronde op Nordschleife en welk verschil je merkt.
good machine the Polestar i love it
I love the Polestar 2. It is now officially more powerful than the Model 3 performance in all categories. I imagine it drives much better too.
Depends on what you care about. Model 3 performance version is still faster with better acceleration. Hell even the long range model 3 is still faster, with better acceleration and an extra 100 miles of range or so. So not quite sure what advantage the extra HP or torque gives you here
Also I’m not sure what videos you’ve watched but most have said the model 3 has better responsiveness and handling. I test drove them and thought the same thing. Polestar weighs like half a thousand pounds more than it, not much you can do about that. Where polestar wins is in suspension and damping. It has a much smoother ride. That’s why you get the car, not for it’s faster acceleration or top speed, but for it’s smoothness and ride quality.
@@philorgneopolotin8762 True, just happy to see Polestar catching up in other categories. Range is the biggest disadvantage, but that is to be expected for CMA platform vehicles, and the next generation model should have none of those constraints. (Primarily ICE optimized chassis which makes adding a larger battery frustratingly difficult.) However, the P2 is already winning in terms of looks, interior quality, build quality, arguably technology, and price. Although what I'm really exited for is the Polestar 3.
Amazing what one can do with cars in 2022! I would have never imagined that I would like a Polestar!
....hp is the power of your engine. it's just that peak power only tells where it is, the overall power curve matters(and dictates the torque curve anyway).
If that make any different in range?
And you can make video see what feels different between software updates now and before?
How much for software updates?
Can anyone have one make it?
Real Thanks for your information keep going 👍🏼
Hey Misha, great content as usual.
What colour is your Polestar?
When is Polestar going to make that sweatshirt available?! I've seen you wear it in some of the other videos and IG posts.
It's an old one. They have new ones just launched on their webstore!
Out of curiosity, what color Polestar is this? I assume it's a Moon version, but I can't be sure. Some of their colors really look different depending on the lighting.
Misha, could you add a "Polestar" and/or "EV" Playlist?
I watched a couple reviews on the Lucid EV and I like the looks of this Polestar much more. Plus it cost like 1/3 as much so I'm sure Polestar will be selling well. Tesla Plaid is impressive but 0 to 60 mph in less than 3 seconds is completely unnecessary.
0 to 100 in 3 seconds improves security and that’s why I’m looking for it in my next car. But I love my polestar. I drive 210 half of the time so it’s important to take into consideration.
Sweet, have the upgrade in my own P2, and love the upgrade…
But, you talked about ”your personal” chassi settings (not only no of damper clicks), when can you reveal your chassis settings? Camber, caster toe and so on?
Will do! :)
Wow man what a car
absolutely beautiful car
The way your dog pancake jumped in the car 😆 🤣
It is a pretty good sleeper 🔥
Can't wait to get my upgrade. I hope they bring it soon to the US. I wish you had showed the prices of buying the upgrade and seeing where it shows up. I also wish it had a little more top speed at least the same as the Model 3.
cool editing
Sadly we can't get it in Belgium, although 408hp is still more than enough for everyday driving, to overtake people and all. The car is already amazing nonetheless.
Poor Pancake!!! Needs service pack 2 update. 😂
9:31 the horsepower/torque explanation is off. Horsepower is literally the power, torque is not.
The torque/horsepower remark of Jay Leno is also out of context. It only works when comparing a gas car with grunt throughout the rev range, which typically means high torque, with a peaky engine with a lot of hp in a narrow range. This remark came from a time where gearboxes had very few ratios, such that peak power was less important and behavior throughout the rev range was more important.
Hey Misha,
Oh firstly i saw how make a Software Update to a electric Car. 👌
Nice. I hope in Future ist coming more of them to many vihicles and the topspeed goes up.
Have a nice Weekend and VG ✌️
8:00 we want more pancake - how old is he /she ? Nevermind this Volvo software update shenannigans :D
Torque isn’t more important! Maybe if you are towing something or your car is really heavy.
But for sporty driving, speed and performance horsepower is much more important.
If it wouldn’t be this case a 911 Gt3 would be as fast as 2.0 tdi…
A GT3 RS is almost as fast as a GT2 RS tho
Love all tech and stuff... but can't wait to see who's gonna be the first to "brick" their car.
Pancakes waiting of you 😁
Misha, did you hire an editor? These video's just keep getting better my guy
Yep
LOL those torque and power curves awesome
I'm gonna be honest, I was just thinking yesterday whether this was possible "to upgrade" if we would like to when we buy it. Also, can this upgrade also compatible on LR and SR single Motor's?
Only dual motor for now
Also only available for cars which are bought and not leased atm
The single motors are 175kW from a single motor, I think the dual motor upgrade is putting the torque and power on each of the dual motors up to that carefully without affecting the battery
The editing the last couple of video's is really nice! A bit of a different style but simply lovely. A new editor or just different style?
New editor and camera man :)
amazing vidoes and love that pooch ! cool dog for a cool dude
Nice w124 in the background!
Are those graphs horsepower and torque at the wheels, or "corrected" in some weird way? (ICE guys love to add nonsense "corrections" to try to get crankshaft horsepower and it's invariably wrong!)
Great video!!!! €1000 is crazy money, for what is 0 & 1 over the internet. Also, small thing. There is no 'torques', the plural of torque is torque. Just like you wouldn't say 'horsepowers'
Are you allowed to inform us about the dyno mode?
And what colour is that Polestar? Seems like moon or thunder, not sure.
Love the Polestar hoodie - where did you get it?
I hope that others will also have the same options to up-sell performance packs after the fact, sort of like a DLC OTA update. Webshop, click, click and you’re done 😍
Hi Misha, I have reviewed your videos on Polestar 2 and I have ordered the Long Range dual motor with performance pack, pilot pack and plus options. I currently own a BMW M5 (2016) F10 and I am interested to know what are the best settings to setup the Öhlins Dual Flow Valve dampers for country winding roads and motorway driving. Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
And how do you like the Polestar2 against the M5 ?
Finally, i m waiting for this video , waiting for your 0-100 time
Love it. Just waiting for it to launch here in the US. Could you share images of the before and after curves, maybe on your IG?
Sorry for the silly question, would the update be tied to the vehicle or the current owner? (New editor is superb btw!)
Vehicle
Hi Misha, many thanks for showing this as there is a dearth of information in the upgrade so far. I'm keen to get your thoughts on the sharper throttle mapping. When test driving, it was very obvious that the mapping was very slow/wide on initial travel, then ramped up quickly making it feel a little dull. Supposedly this update sharpens that response on part throttle applications.
Good video
Curious to see if the P2 limits power like the Taycan when the battery overheats.
Cool video 👍🏻
hi misha, could you try 0-200 and 1/4 mile with the upgrade??
No, but I could do a lap of the Nürburgring!
Misha, you forget to install sound-fix updates!
But honestly speaking, first time heard EV dyno, its interesting!
Seems to be a very good electric car with quality, had just wished more battery capacity! In general we lost EVs with quality!
Interesting vid!
(PS: You guys definitely need a polarization filter for the lense, it's hard to look at without 😬)
Can you get that update on the non-performance package dual motor models?
are the HP and Torque numbers at the wheel?
Good question, with EV's is there such a thing as 'power at the flywheel'??
What colour is the car in the video? Is this the new Jupiter colour for 2023?
That's the first time I see an eletrical car in dyno. The torque curve going lower as speed increases looked a bit different to me.
Did you know if it's done eletronically to save battery, it has something to do with the transmission or there are some other reason I didn't figuring out?
Nah, for one part it's how electric motors work and for the other half it's tuned that way. Think of it as the opposite approach how OEM Turbo engines are calibrated: flat torque peak all the way through the mid rpm range and then falling off while power tops out around max rpm.
The torque dropping is a result of it reaching peak power output, either peak motor output, peak battery output or something else.
Taking delivery of my polestar 2 performamce pack tomorrow!!!! Are you happy with yours? Any issues?
Enjoy!!! Nothing, I only miss heated mirrors in the winter, otherwise it's a great car!
@@mgcharoudin Heated sidemirrors work with the same button as for the heated rear window.
Sounds like the washing machine is on centrifugation
Thanks for the detailed update and the dyno report. What was the SOC when you did this?
Over 80%
Ohh please stop… Now i want a Polestar 2 even more 😂
Wonder if this update will work on a C40/XC40, should be roughly the same hardware
I wish too!
Liking the new type of content so much better. Variety is the nameof the game. Track laps every week were getting boring and repetitive
Music is a lot louder than talking. Was annoying keep changing the volume
We'll work on that :)
Is it 409hp on the wheels ? Or is this drivetrain loss corrected numbers ?
Please do a moose test on the P2
I’ll be over in mine Apr 18-20. Sadly no performance upgrade….😩
How do you know the torque? Because the speed of the engine is not shown on an electric car, is it?
So this would be like an overclock to the computer I wonder if one day we will be able to upgrade the batteries like a upgrading a gpu
Nice video. But, the audio levels are all over the place in this video. The music is too much louder than the rest of the content. Please watch those audio peaks! 🙂
I think an EV could, theoretically, dyno itself since everything is sensed and controlled by a computer.
11:27 i heard"thats my bitch"😁 but you say:that my wish..have to listen again😁 good review!👍 Thanks🌹
0-60 please :)
Have you heard anything from the organizers of the eco grand prix?
Nope
a dynograph with the horizontal axle in Kph instead of RPM looks strange :D
Put window down for doggy! 🐶
Hi. Can I ask what colour this is??
I realy do like the potential of EV's but man that sound is the same as my washing machine on centrifuge mode. I guess we have to adapt to that fact.