I am Bulgarian and I am convinced that this man is innocent, the right of self defence against drunk football hooligans when they are 15 and you are alone is inevitable.
Very few people involved in ANY state "system" in ANY local or country give a damn about justice. Everyone has their own little private agendas. Look at the world through rose colored glasses and, in the end, you'll be enlightened but extremely disappointed. There ARE honest, good, decent and benevolent people out there. The huge problem is finding them.
The prosecution conveniently lost or cannot obtain the specific cctv footage that would have likely exonerated Jock, showing the Roma being beaten, showing the mob going after Jock, with Jock defending himself. THAT one fact means he's innocent. If the footage showed what was alleged, that Jock was looking for a fight, that there were no Romas, that the guys who were stabbed were attacked unprovoked, then it would never have been 'lost'. Again, the guy's innocent. Very sad case for the whole family.
I know Romania isn't Bulgaria but they are neighbouring countries. Very close. I travelled all around Romania but ran out of the time to go to Bulgaria. I was going to go. No way in hell did I ever feel the need to carry a knife around with me in Romania. I know these countries have a reputation for being "dodgy"countries, but I never once felt unsafe ever. Actually I found locals very friendly. I never ever put myself in a violent situation. My question is, why would he even be carrying a knife unless he was hanging with the wrong crowd/dodgy people. You don't just carry around a knife as a tourist there. I am not saying it wasn't self defence. However, it sounds like he was mixing with dodgy people to start with that sadly got himself stuck into this situation in the first place.
He doesn't have any prior convictions, he came from a good family and was active in peaceful demonstrations against Australia's involvement in war. As for the gypsies, the prosecution in this case somehow lost the CCTV footage of the incident. This is quite unusual, since it would of been the most useful piece of evidence in the trial.
This case needs to go to the European Court of Human Rights. The book was badly written but the short film and the book are both correct in their central thesis. There has been miscarriage of justice. The evidence of self-defence and defence of another should have played a central role and not been suppressed. There is clear corruption in the handling of this case. I hope you have a good legal team that can take this to the next level. Call the Castan Centre. Maybe they can help.
As a bulgarian I can confirm that the justice system is rotten to it’s core! I do not defend nor condemn anyone, but there must have been fair trial. Most of the time justice is served to whoever has enough financial support or key relations regardless of the circumstances.
Strikes me as a lesson to our youth.. see you are responsible for your actions. He gets held accountable anf suddenly it's everybody out to get him. Don't kill a human being and you don't serve prison time.
I am Bulgarian myself and made my research. Watched very single video and red every single article about this accident. This guys is innocent! Mark my words!
@eug link ruclips.net/video/z2mzO3-6QTA/видео.html You are spreading fake news you dumb fuck. And how come he was accused before, since the high court never mentioned that?! To bad you dont speak bulgarian so you can better understand my video
Simple question, with simple answer - he was never found. Why he didn't go to police to testify on Jock Palfreeman side? Most probably he doesn't care. He doesn't want to be involved in a murder case. It is not his problem anymore. It may sound strange but this is how people sometimes react. If Jock Palfreeman didn't intervene the bigger group would beat the man from 20 seconds to 1 minute and run away. Hooligans or not, they are not stupid. If they beat the man to much the police will arrive soon and investigation will start. If they just punch and kick him several times, in most cases he will run away when it's over and just leave it there. The alternative is - whole night in police station, interrogations, testimonies and many visits to the court in the next months or years. Most times when you deal with drunk people it's better to eat several punches and show defeat, instead of taking out a knife and swinging it left and right hopping that this will scare them as Jock did. Take minimal damage and leave it to the police to solve it afterwards for you. Drunk people don't react as normal people expect. Fighting back or taking out a knife will only aggravate them. There was a similar incident in the city of Gabrovo some time ago. A group of 3 drunk Gypsies came in an argument with a young Bulgarian in a supermarket and a store clerk decided to intervene to protect him. The result - the clerk was beaten up by the gypsies and the young man that he tries to defend didn't bother to help him at all. He just passively looked from the side as if it's not related to him.
Bulgaria is 1 of the countries where you don't want to go into the justice-system. I don't understand what an Australian young man was doing there anyway. Go to a civilized country. He should consider himself lucky with the 20 years. I'm sure they can put you away for life eventhough you're innocent.
trueblue wonderful ahaha bro bulgaria is not like serbia,macedonia or albania ,they would let him free with just 1 week becouse hes australianlol this means bulgaria didnt care he was from australia,did u see the prision of sofia ?do u think they dont have money to fix the condition to make a modern high security prision like in sweden or germany ? jock talked about condition ohhh poor boy wanted to go back to 🇦🇺 so bad... that is the right place for criminals like him
After being arrested, Palfreeman lied to the police, telling them he was living in a sack in Borisova Gardens and that he didn’t know the name of the English couple he had been with that night. In fact he was living at their house at Madjare 60 km from Sofia. This lie allowed the girl Lindsay Welsh, who had been present at the murder, to slip out of the country the next day. She was never questioned by police or appeared at court. Palfreman didn’t provide the details until told by Grayham Saunders that Welsh had left the country. When Welsh finally made a statement about the events that night she simply claimed she had seen nothing as she was helping someone recharge the credit on a mobile phone. The guy, Graham Saunders spoke to Palfreeman before he was interviewed by the police, and claims he had left his girlfriend with Palfreeman and gone to a hostel for the night. He therefore claimed he hadn’t seen anything or had any involvement. Palfreeman has consistently claimed no memory of the events leading up to the murder.
+Lewis Wright Seriously mate go to the library, or buy the book on kindle, and read the events that night. you are being conned if you think the story is at told by Jock. He DELIBERATELY lied to the police about where he was living, and kept that story up until Saunders visited him in the cells and confirmed that Welsh had slipped out of the country. She didn't want to be questioned - because she had been present at the murder. When she was forced to make a statement (from the UK, she refused to return as a witness at the trial) she said she was sitting behind a wall trying to add credit to a cell phone and didn't look up - despite the screaming and shouting as her friend Jock murdered someone? This all came up in the trial - they even had the record of the phone recharge - but of course its never mentioned by Jocks supporters.
+Lewis Wright And if you read the book, you will also see that he was found carrying a knife IN JAIL. and he isn't the goody two shoes pacifist his friends try to portray him as. He beat some guy up in the canteen queue. Read the book.
This is a heartbreaking story of a parent that has been thrown head first into a situation that is that is frightening on so many levels. The father is delusional? Try reading the book before making small minded comments! How easy it is to sit behind the comfort of our computer screens and become judge and jury on things we know nothing about. As the old saying goes "walk a mile in their shoes".
Palfreeman's story has been amply covered in the media. When you're visiting another's home or country, you're supposed to be at all times on his best behaviour. He wasn't, and moreover, he was armed with a dagger and looking for trouble. The Australian government has said that it doesn't intend on pursuing this matter as it appears to be satisfied that Palfreemen has had a fair trial. He's guilty, get over it.
You wrote, "This case needs to go to the European Court of Human Rights." Why hasn't it? If as you say he's been wrongly convicted, why haven't the civil libertarians already undertaken that step? Could it be that Palfreeman is, *GASP*, guilty, and any further appeal is hopeless?
I feel sorry for the father to have a son like this. He seems to be a reputable and an educated man. He deserves respect for what he does for his son. I am sure he didn't raise him to become a murderer.
I regret that I made an emotional post before which I deleted a few minutes ago. To be honest, I cannot take a side, because I imagine how hard it must be for the Monov family and their loss as well as for the Palfreemans as well. The truth is that the judicial system in Bulgaria is broken and judgements there are made in regards to interests and often subsidized ones. Hope the truth comes out.
The truth is that he saw some commotion and rushed towards the crowd of people with his knife at hand in his pocket to deliver deadly street justice... Had he stayed in the restaurant and called the authorities rather than going out to hunt down and punish the "hooligans", he would have avoided his lengthy sentence. I cannot think of a single developed country that would have spared him the the jail time if he had done the same there instead of in Bulgaria.
@@Radii_DC оооо съгласен съм. Макар да не искам да взимам страна, никой не го е карал да се прави на Батман. Наистина в такива случаи се звъни първо на полицията. Другото което е, не се разбра е дали има убит циганин понеже тоя дрънка за неизбежна самоотбрана, дали дефакто е имало атака с фатален край. При всички случаи сам си е виновен Полфрийман. Това което супер ме издразни напоследък е че в някои места на България го изкарват герой а той не е такъв.
@@chch359 Съвсем уместно от твоя страна - Полфрийман се е бил вживял в ролята на Батман. Аз мисля, че би било справедливо Джок да излежи присъдата си докрай, но моето мнение е само капка в морето и няма тежест. Радвам се, че в младостта си не съм станал жертва на хора като него и се надявам той повече никога да не убива.
@@Pavlin_S Ами кажи си ти твоята преценка. Невъзможно е аз да лъжа тъй като не съм присъствал на местопрестъплението. Тук си изкаваме мнението върху факти представени от трето лице. Кажи къде точно съм излъгал и се поправям веднага.
@@Pavlin_S А за тези твърдения че убийството е направено от друго лице доказателства имаш ли???Ти присъствал ли си там? Ти ли прави експертизите??? Много гумена ти е версията и пак ти казвам няма как да лъжа и колегата също да лъже. Ние си даваме мнението, а факта е че не само Андрей е наръган а и друго момче от групата което оцелява. Полфрийман отдавна си е признал за убийството или май ще кажеш че са му платили, така ли? В същото време, на Полфрийман това не му е единствената издънка със студено оръжие. Има провинения че е наръгал друг човек обратно в Кенгуруландия години преди Монов. Сам си е виновен Полфриймън, това е мое мнение и твое право е да си несъгласен. На камерите почти нищо не се вижда. Много глупаво и наивно ти е скалъпена версията.
How can the police statements of the facts be excluded? How can the parents ask to have the facts excluded. Appreciate the rule of law in your democratic country, as the Bulgarian legal system doesn’t exist. The Bulgarian father is scary, grabbing the camera and threatening media, then insulting the father and the family. The Bulgarian’s son has a blood alcohol of 0.28, he was violent in that state of mind.
I'm guessing that the Bulgarian prosecutor would deem a peaceful solution to this gang of football losers beating another human would be to just walk away. Pathetic miscarriage of justice.
His attempt at telling a sobby story at 12:00 about how sorry he is he MURDERED A PERSON is just so pathetic. This man doesn't feel an ounce of remorse. I guess the 20 years are not so harsh after all. Let's hope he spends all 20 years in that rat hole with his gypsy friends there.
Self defence and defence of another is based; what isn’t based on fascist hooligans committing hate crimes ; even despite protecting himself and not being sure if he stabbed the other guy he still feels some level of unease re the death
Perhaps if he would take public transport instead of taxis 49:52, and fly economy and not business class 50:02, it would alleviate some financial worries on top of all other stress. Albeit, long journeys, it is still possible.
@@Pavlin_S YOU are the effing DUMBASS, I TRAVEL for my job for the past TWENTY FIVE YEARS, Ive been in EVERY SHIT situation regarding airports, flights, delays, cancellations, ETC. So, STFU, guluboi.
What an amazing dad Jock's have
I am Bulgarian and I am convinced that this man is innocent, the right of self defence against drunk football hooligans when they are 15 and you are alone is inevitable.
Very few people involved in ANY state "system" in ANY local or country give a damn about justice. Everyone has their own little private agendas. Look at the world through rose colored glasses and, in the end, you'll be enlightened but extremely disappointed.
There ARE honest, good, decent and benevolent people out there. The huge problem is finding them.
The prosecution conveniently lost or cannot obtain the specific cctv footage that would have likely exonerated Jock, showing the Roma being beaten, showing the mob going after Jock, with Jock defending himself. THAT one fact means he's innocent. If the footage showed what was alleged, that Jock was looking for a fight, that there were no Romas, that the guys who were stabbed were attacked unprovoked, then it would never have been 'lost'. Again, the guy's innocent. Very sad case for the whole family.
I know Romania isn't Bulgaria but they are neighbouring countries. Very close. I travelled all around Romania but ran out of the time to go to Bulgaria. I was going to go. No way in hell did I ever feel the need to carry a knife around with me in Romania. I know these countries have a reputation for being "dodgy"countries, but I never once felt unsafe ever. Actually I found locals very friendly. I never ever put myself in a violent situation. My question is, why would he even be carrying a knife unless he was hanging with the wrong crowd/dodgy people. You don't just carry around a knife as a tourist there. I am not saying it wasn't self defence. However, it sounds like he was mixing with dodgy people to start with that sadly got himself stuck into this situation in the first place.
He doesn't have any prior convictions, he came from a good family and was active in peaceful demonstrations against Australia's involvement in war. As for the gypsies, the prosecution in this case somehow lost the CCTV footage of the incident. This is quite unusual, since it would of been the most useful piece of evidence in the trial.
This case needs to go to the European Court of Human Rights. The book was badly written but the short film and the book are both correct in their central thesis. There has been miscarriage of justice. The evidence of self-defence and defence of another should have played a central role and not been suppressed. There is clear corruption in the handling of this case. I hope you have a good legal team that can take this to the next level. Call the Castan Centre. Maybe they can help.
As a bulgarian I can confirm that the justice system is rotten to it’s core! I do not defend nor condemn anyone, but there must have been fair trial. Most of the time justice is served to whoever has enough financial support or key relations regardless of the circumstances.
Strikes me as a lesson to our youth.. see you are responsible for your actions. He gets held accountable anf suddenly it's everybody out to get him. Don't kill a human being and you don't serve prison time.
What an amazing family and father ! Does anyone know how the father is in his health?
I am Bulgarian myself and made my research. Watched very single video and red every single article about this accident. This guys is innocent! Mark my words!
@@delyan1614 Дай линк за да видим къде е написано
@@delyan1614 fake
@eug link ruclips.net/video/z2mzO3-6QTA/видео.html
You are spreading fake news you dumb fuck. And how come he was accused before, since the high court never mentioned that?!
To bad you dont speak bulgarian so you can better understand my video
@Jotaro97 yes, so...?
@Jotaro97 you your delusional. Apparently you never heard innocent until proven guilty
Truly a tragic story of young lives wasted.
*leaves hugs here for the Dad & step mom, as well as the family of the young man accidentally killed*
Tough situation all around.
What I'd like to know is how come the gypsy who was assaulted did not testify..
Simple question, with simple answer - he was never found. Why he didn't go to police to testify on Jock Palfreeman side? Most probably he doesn't care. He doesn't want to be involved in a murder case. It is not his problem anymore. It may sound strange but this is how people sometimes react. If Jock Palfreeman didn't intervene the bigger group would beat the man from 20 seconds to 1 minute and run away. Hooligans or not, they are not stupid. If they beat the man to much the police will arrive soon and investigation will start. If they just punch and kick him several times, in most cases he will run away when it's over and just leave it there. The alternative is - whole night in police station, interrogations, testimonies and many visits to the court in the next months or years. Most times when you deal with drunk people it's better to eat several punches and show defeat, instead of taking out a knife and swinging it left and right hopping that this will scare them as Jock did. Take minimal damage and leave it to the police to solve it afterwards for you. Drunk people don't react as normal people expect. Fighting back or taking out a knife will only aggravate them. There was a similar incident in the city of Gabrovo some time ago. A group of 3 drunk Gypsies came in an argument with a young Bulgarian in a supermarket and a store clerk decided to intervene to protect him. The result - the clerk was beaten up by the gypsies and the young man that he tries to defend didn't bother to help him at all. He just passively looked from the side as if it's not related to him.
They were probably bribed to not testify .. I'm from Bulgaria
It’s just how typically things roll in an extremely corrupted country.
Bulgaria is 1 of the countries where you don't want to go into the justice-system. I don't understand what an Australian young man was doing there anyway. Go to a civilized country. He should consider himself lucky with the 20 years. I'm sure they can put you away for life eventhough you're innocent.
trueblue wonderful ahaha bro bulgaria is not like serbia,macedonia or albania ,they would let him free with just 1 week becouse hes australianlol
this means bulgaria didnt care he was from australia,did u see the prision of sofia ?do u think they dont have money to fix the condition to make a modern high security prision like in sweden or germany ? jock talked about condition ohhh poor boy wanted to go back to 🇦🇺 so bad... that is the right place for criminals like him
I will vomit when I hear what nonsense this Hristo Monov is saying.How he makes up these lies
After being arrested, Palfreeman lied to the police, telling them he was living in a sack in Borisova Gardens and that he didn’t know the name of the English couple he had been with that night. In fact he was living at their house at Madjare 60 km from Sofia.
This lie allowed the girl Lindsay Welsh, who had been present at the murder, to slip out of the country the next day.
She was never questioned by police or appeared at court. Palfreman didn’t provide the details until told by Grayham Saunders that Welsh had left the country. When Welsh finally made a statement about the events that night she simply claimed she had seen nothing as she was helping someone recharge the credit on a mobile phone.
The guy, Graham Saunders spoke to Palfreeman before he was interviewed by the police, and claims he had left his girlfriend with Palfreeman and gone to a hostel for the night. He therefore claimed he hadn’t seen anything or had any involvement.
Palfreeman has consistently claimed no memory of the events leading up to the murder.
+Ross Hilton where is this from? I found that you copied this from wikipedia, but the source cited doesn't say any of this.
Its in the book. Read the book, its all in there.
+Lewis Wright Seriously mate go to the library, or buy the book on kindle, and read the events that night. you are being conned if you think the story is at told by Jock. He DELIBERATELY lied to the police about where he was living, and kept that story up until Saunders visited him in the cells and confirmed that Welsh had slipped out of the country. She didn't want to be questioned - because she had been present at the murder. When she was forced to make a statement (from the UK, she refused to return as a witness at the trial) she said she was sitting behind a wall trying to add credit to a cell phone and didn't look up - despite the screaming and shouting as her friend Jock murdered someone? This all came up in the trial - they even had the record of the phone recharge - but of course its never mentioned by Jocks supporters.
+Lewis Wright And if you read the book, you will also see that he was found carrying a knife IN JAIL. and he isn't the goody two shoes pacifist his friends try to portray him as. He beat some guy up in the canteen queue. Read the book.
This is a heartbreaking story of a parent that has been thrown head first into a situation that is that is frightening on so many levels. The father is delusional? Try reading the book before making small minded comments! How easy it is to sit behind the comfort of our computer screens and become judge and jury on things we know nothing about. As the old saying goes "walk a mile in their shoes".
He is my friend and a hero
Is he free now or still doing time? Is the Facebook page profile ran by him or some fan?
@@alep_bethes been set free in 2021. Location unknown
Get this man some justice.
Palfreeman's story has been amply covered in the media. When you're visiting another's home or country, you're supposed to be at all times on his best behaviour. He wasn't, and moreover, he was armed with a dagger and looking for trouble. The Australian government has said that it doesn't intend on pursuing this matter as it appears to be satisfied that Palfreemen has had a fair trial. He's guilty, get over it.
You wrote, "This case needs to go to the European Court of Human Rights."
Why hasn't it? If as you say he's been wrongly convicted, why haven't the civil libertarians already undertaken that step? Could it be that Palfreeman is, *GASP*, guilty, and any further appeal is hopeless?
I know this guy. It's not the first stabbing he has committed. He got my mates in Sydney. Enjoy ur 20years mate.
Please say more about it, Im curious.
I feel sorry for the father to have a son like this. He seems to be a reputable and an educated man. He deserves respect for what he does for his son. I am sure he didn't raise him to become a murderer.
What do you mean by saying 'a son like this'? The only mistake the son made was spending time in Bulgaria. A bad country that people shouldn't visit.
Stefan Stefanov you are a waste of oxygen
I regret that I made an emotional post before which I deleted a few minutes ago. To be honest, I cannot take a side, because I imagine how hard it must be for the Monov family and their loss as well as for the Palfreemans as well. The truth is that the judicial system in Bulgaria is broken and judgements there are made in regards to interests and often subsidized ones. Hope the truth comes out.
The truth is that he saw some commotion and rushed towards the crowd of people with his knife at hand in his pocket to deliver deadly street justice... Had he stayed in the restaurant and called the authorities rather than going out to hunt down and punish the "hooligans", he would have avoided his lengthy sentence. I cannot think of a single developed country that would have spared him the the jail time if he had done the same there instead of in Bulgaria.
@@Radii_DC оооо съгласен съм. Макар да не искам да взимам страна, никой не го е карал да се прави на Батман. Наистина в такива случаи се звъни първо на полицията. Другото което е, не се разбра е дали има убит циганин понеже тоя дрънка за неизбежна самоотбрана, дали дефакто е имало атака с фатален край. При всички случаи сам си е виновен Полфрийман. Това което супер ме издразни напоследък е че в някои места на България го изкарват герой а той не е такъв.
@@chch359 Съвсем уместно от твоя страна - Полфрийман се е бил вживял в ролята на Батман. Аз мисля, че би било справедливо Джок да излежи присъдата си докрай, но моето мнение е само капка в морето и няма тежест. Радвам се, че в младостта си не съм станал жертва на хора като него и се надявам той повече никога да не убива.
@@Pavlin_S Ами кажи си ти твоята преценка. Невъзможно е аз да лъжа тъй като не съм присъствал на местопрестъплението. Тук си изкаваме мнението върху факти представени от трето лице. Кажи къде точно съм излъгал и се поправям веднага.
@@Pavlin_S А за тези твърдения че убийството е направено от друго лице доказателства имаш ли???Ти присъствал ли си там? Ти ли прави експертизите??? Много гумена ти е версията и пак ти казвам няма как да лъжа и колегата също да лъже. Ние си даваме мнението, а факта е че не само Андрей е наръган а и друго момче от групата което оцелява. Полфрийман отдавна си е признал за убийството или май ще кажеш че са му платили, така ли? В същото време, на Полфрийман това не му е единствената издънка със студено оръжие. Има провинения че е наръгал друг човек обратно в Кенгуруландия години преди Монов. Сам си е виновен Полфриймън, това е мое мнение и твое право е да си несъгласен. На камерите почти нищо не се вижда. Много глупаво и наивно ти е скалъпена версията.
What about Mr Jock Palfreeman's knife stabbing attack in 2004 in Sydney? Again playing the Cook ?
"like a knife through a Bulgarian"
Yeah being gd is just bad in Bulgaria
Is the beginning of the video some kind of programming technique!
How can the police statements of the facts be excluded? How can the parents ask to have the facts excluded. Appreciate the rule of law in your democratic country, as the Bulgarian legal system doesn’t exist. The Bulgarian father is scary, grabbing the camera and threatening media, then insulting the father and the family. The Bulgarian’s son has a blood alcohol of 0.28, he was violent in that state of mind.
I'm guessing that the Bulgarian prosecutor would deem a peaceful solution to this gang of football losers beating another human would be to just walk away. Pathetic miscarriage of justice.
Bulgaria one dodgy place and there is lots of those in our lovely world. Australia is heading in this direction dont get it twisted.
He was just performing a operation on these guys! free Jock!
His attempt at telling a sobby story at 12:00 about how sorry he is he MURDERED A PERSON is just so pathetic.
This man doesn't feel an ounce of remorse. I guess the 20 years are not so harsh after all. Let's hope he spends all 20 years in that rat hole with his gypsy friends there.
Like the sob story of the family wanting $500,000? Sure mate, Bulgaria is the asshole of the world, a fucking toilet.
Self defence and defence of another is based; what isn’t based on fascist hooligans committing hate crimes ; even despite protecting himself and not being sure if he stabbed the other guy he still feels some level of unease re the death
Perhaps if he would take public transport instead of taxis 49:52, and fly economy and not business class 50:02, it would alleviate some financial worries on top of all other stress. Albeit, long journeys, it is still possible.
@@Pavlin_S YOU are the effing DUMBASS, I TRAVEL for my job for the past TWENTY FIVE YEARS, Ive been in EVERY SHIT situation regarding airports, flights, delays, cancellations, ETC. So, STFU, guluboi.
He probably refused the polygraph...