The thing is with golden boy is that once you played as long as he has now the same game over and over it becomes boring and repetitive. Once you get bored with it you start playing differently just to keep it different lol. No longer being competitive but massa piecing it I would say. I've been playing this game since release and it can be boring playing competitive. For these guys it is their job though. lol. It's going to work literally.
What I love with AOE 2 pro players : most of them are super chill, humble, kind, and do not go into pointless fights. Hera and Viper are rivals, and yet they respect and appreciate each others. All fun and positive. This is what video games should all be about!
Also, while Pros can easily defeat an opponent in 1V1, they're not THAT much better than 1400 elo players since said players have mastered the art of build orders and make only 1 mistake per game (Pros such as Viper make almost no mistakes, and if they do, they can quickly identify it), getting more Villagers than said Pros, smashing them with infallible synergy in such a scenario. I think Hera's idea got too ambitious. If he's to face off against the best of the best (again, the gap is only really noticeable in a 1v1) with Viper by his side, he should do a 2v3, or a 2v4 for some challenge. It's kinda annoying to see these Randos crush people you actually know and enjoy watching every single time due to a challenge that of course the Pros were going to lose.
Yeah the amateurs get 4 extra team bonuses instead of just 2 and also can probably pick in redundant way to crush any possible late game comp from 2 with just half of their team functioning. Pretty surprised they didn’t take a camel civ or goths for pocket pretty sure Huns Mongols has a really hard time with either late game.
@@torri776 even the pros make dozens of small mistakes every game, I don't know where that notion of 1400 elo players have mastered build orders (not even close to correct) and they making 1 mistake per game came from. And none of these players are even 1400. Also why do you want your favourite players to win so bad? Why was it annoying? Wasn't the video fun still? They seemed to be having fun, you don't need to win every single game to have fun. Would you rather see pro players crush 1k elo players while getting paid by said players to crush them? What a weird concept. And I wouldn't even say this concept is impossible. They were very close to winning, but for some reason Hera tunnel visioned into taking orange out at all costs, when clearly after getting the first 10-15 villagers he could have focused on the next guy. Viper was raiding everyone the entire game as you could see on the minimap, and Hera stayed in his own base mostly, and still ramming orange 48 minutes into the game. And even then they were still having fun. I struggle to understand every angle of this comment.
Without question some of the most interesting and exciting AOE2 content I've ever seen. The type of approach and communication of strategy is thrilling to watch and listen to. Would love to see this regularly!
Wow, goat of aoe2, yet again with an insane gameplay. I am amazed how a person can be so capable in a game. Game sense, knowledge, fast reaction. Just perfect, and Hera played ok too i guess...
man this made my day, i use to only watch viper but the content hera is putting out these days is so entertaining, i mean come on, 2v6 of two of my fav aoe players? this is gold
This is what I’m talking about, two of the best guys coming together for some insane content, love this collab hope to see more in the future, you guys are my idols and I hope you guys never go anywhere!
I like this a lot! Good content and I like to see your dominance into overwhelming numbers. Played a little differently as discussed I believe y’all could of taken it farther. Not sure if a win is possible but I love to see the try
6:00 yup hardest thing about AI is how if you attack with mixed army vs mixed a AI army. AI will sometimes attack every cav wuth spears, every archer with skirms... etc so every counter unit will be countering every unit you have even if yiu have 200 pop army.
@Hera absolutely love this kind of game. My buddies and I are super low elo so we do this with AI. 3v5, 2v6, along those lines. We like land nomad and just making a big unified base. Anyway, massively fun to watch this. Can't wait for more!
I can’t believe you guys did this. I’m a fan of both Hera and viper with your unique gamestyles and tactics. Your 1v1s are always awesome. Your 1v3s or 4s are awesome But both of you playing together against six? Omg. I haven’t watched this yet but I can’t wait.
This is a must see game of 2024, it's crazy to see the pros lose - it seemed like you Hera were playing really good this game. I bet if you guys did a rematch; and you and Viper both agree to double-rush an enemy you could win. (being sure to plant tower/castle on their TCs to make sure you actually keep them down) (human players are much better than AI in 'near-death recovery').
Fun game. It seemed winnable until early imp. Rams might be meta for clearing high elo players on closed maps but remember that these are 1100 and 1200 players who often buckle under smaller raids. Maybe if he moved on earlier from orange (who was forever low eco already) and briefly harassed gray and purple's eco he slows them down enough to help viper win his side.
I love this one! I was rooting for Hera and Viper all the time, but I guess two pockets per one person is really hard to deal with, even for you guys. Thank you both for a great video!!
Hahahaha oh yeah !!!! This is the best content of AoE 2 in my opinion =) Cooperating 2 great players vs 6 others players, while we can folow and listen to them during all the game ! Perfect !! =D
Kinda knew you weren't going to succeed, 2v6 with those ratings is crazy man. I doubt you'd have won a 2v5. 13:10 "I got an MbL army on me" was so funny
Nice! Also, another idea for your "vs players"-challenges: meta-handicaps! For example, play with resource count, minimap and scores hidden (tape/post-it on monitor); play with super low resolution; play with only mouse (no hotkeys), play with only keyboard (use numpad to control mouse), play with minimum mouse sensitivity, play with graphics tablet, play with trackpad...
I like what happened with the eagles at 28:57 the way they just broke Hera's archer bait by splitting, is almost like grey knew what was going to happen before engaging.
Orange really took it for all of them but he didn't resign and kept his presence known so the rest of the team could slowly crawly forward and eventually destroy.
That little peace from viper at the end 11 Also glad to see you are still friends after the Dravidians banter kappa. Great content, looking forward to the next match with you and viper
Hey man at exactly 3:52 you select all the villagers, without dragging selecting them, you just click, yet the one on the far left on your screen didnt got selected. How do you do that?!
This is great! I enjoyed your 1 v 4 game the other day. I think maybe 1 v 3 or 2 v 4-5 would be the ticket. I think this would make for a cool series/tournament. Pros vs Joes.
Great game to watch! It could be awesome to watch a similar game but switching team, such as Hera + 2 or 3 intermediate players vs TheViper (or another pro player) +2 or 3 intermediate players, it could be very interesting.
For comparison, is 1100 about the level you need to be to consistently beat Extreme AI? At ~950 I can usually beat hard but often get wrecked by hardest
haha. I remembered a match in 2003, me against 7 friends. I was an active player in a strong clan in Brazil, I played frequently in the zone, I had a rank of 1900+ (ok, not much, but my friends challenged me although they had never played multiplayer). I chose the team island map, to give them time to settle in (btw today I think it might have been advantageous for me). Anyway, I invaded their island and started destroying them. However, suddenly they appear with cobra car. So I lost. I didn't see that they left the cheat active. Anyway, they all know I would have won if it weren't for that. This game has a level of complexity that really have a big gap between those who play only offline and those who play ranked multiplayer.
wow Orange played so well. He was clearly behind and up against a stronger army with hera micro. But he played really defensive and bought a lot of time for his team, always keeping his army safe.
i played this game for 10 years when i was kid and i did not know i could push the wildlife with my scout to the center..we used t play this 5 v 5 on Lan when it came out.And it was 10 hours a day for 10 years :D basically half my life :D
Nice game, but it was quite obvious when you showed the oppo elos. They have 1100 and 1200s in there. 2v6 would realistically work only if you were against all sub 1000 elo i think.
What we were all waiting for
lol.. I watched the VOD and realized that he was posting the colab video on the same day as the stream
😅
We need to boycott this because they didn't both pick Dravidians
The thing is with golden boy is that once you played as long as he has now the same game over and over it becomes boring and repetitive. Once you get bored with it you start playing differently just to keep it different lol. No longer being competitive but massa piecing it I would say. I've been playing this game since release and it can be boring playing competitive. For these guys it is their job though. lol. It's going to work literally.
It’s awesome that Hera and Theviper teamed up!
My two favorite players
It's fine...
@@Joliie WHHHHHHHHHHHHUANGT?
OMG super strong !! This game finally happened, the two best in the world together
Love this! Do more! For how strong you guys' rivalry is, you actually have great chemistry together. You should make this a series for sure.
What I love with AOE 2 pro players : most of them are super chill, humble, kind, and do not go into pointless fights. Hera and Viper are rivals, and yet they respect and appreciate each others. All fun and positive. This is what video games should all be about!
true, real gentlemen
They are adults. What were you expecting lol
@@zuzukyd Honestly? Kid like behaviour is present in a ton of adults. Glad it doesnt seem to happen in AoE2
2v 6 is much harder than 1 v 3, team bonuses stack up and having access to 1200 pop against 400 is insane
Also, while Pros can easily defeat an opponent in 1V1, they're not THAT much better than 1400 elo players since said players have mastered the art of build orders and make only 1 mistake per game (Pros such as Viper make almost no mistakes, and if they do, they can quickly identify it), getting more Villagers than said Pros, smashing them with infallible synergy in such a scenario.
I think Hera's idea got too ambitious. If he's to face off against the best of the best (again, the gap is only really noticeable in a 1v1) with Viper by his side, he should do a 2v3, or a 2v4 for some challenge. It's kinda annoying to see these Randos crush people you actually know and enjoy watching every single time due to a challenge that of course the Pros were going to lose.
@@torri776 1400 players are pretty good but they definitely make many more than 1 mistake per game
Yeah the amateurs get 4 extra team bonuses instead of just 2 and also can probably pick in redundant way to crush any possible late game comp from 2 with just half of their team functioning. Pretty surprised they didn’t take a camel civ or goths for pocket pretty sure Huns Mongols has a really hard time with either late game.
@@torri776 even the pros make dozens of small mistakes every game, I don't know where that notion of 1400 elo players have mastered build orders (not even close to correct) and they making 1 mistake per game came from. And none of these players are even 1400.
Also why do you want your favourite players to win so bad? Why was it annoying? Wasn't the video fun still? They seemed to be having fun, you don't need to win every single game to have fun. Would you rather see pro players crush 1k elo players while getting paid by said players to crush them? What a weird concept.
And I wouldn't even say this concept is impossible. They were very close to winning, but for some reason Hera tunnel visioned into taking orange out at all costs, when clearly after getting the first 10-15 villagers he could have focused on the next guy. Viper was raiding everyone the entire game as you could see on the minimap, and Hera stayed in his own base mostly, and still ramming orange 48 minutes into the game. And even then they were still having fun. I struggle to understand every angle of this comment.
@@DarkwynnTV lol most players at 1000 ELO do the buildorders just fine. they just fall apart afterwards or when pressured
OH MY GOD this is the ultimate AoE2 content. Canceling plans, taking favorite snack, what a blessing.
You guys have great chemistry! Looks like you were having a blast too. Awesome video, would love to see more collaborations with Viper in the future!
OMG THIS IS THE CONTENT I have waited for the 2 giants of AOE :D
clapping some :D cant wait to watch it now!!!!!
Without question some of the most interesting and exciting AOE2 content I've ever seen. The type of approach and communication of strategy is thrilling to watch and listen to. Would love to see this regularly!
Great video amazing match!! Is Viper posting his pov?? I'd like to see what he was going through as well
He definitely seemed to have the harder go of it, red and green were in or around his base for pretty much the whole game.
Wow, goat of aoe2, yet again with an insane gameplay. I am amazed how a person can be so capable in a game. Game sense, knowledge, fast reaction. Just perfect, and Hera played ok too i guess...
Hell yes! Thank you for expanding on my idea of one pro plus one intermediate versus before intermediates
man this made my day, i use to only watch viper but the content hera is putting out these days is so entertaining, i mean come on, 2v6 of two of my fav aoe players? this is gold
This is what I’m talking about, two of the best guys coming together for some insane content, love this collab hope to see more in the future, you guys are my idols and I hope you guys never go anywhere!
And I love u viper forever ur amazing HERA u2!
I think if Larry joins them they can 3v5 1500's
I like this a lot! Good content and I like to see your dominance into overwhelming numbers. Played a little differently as discussed I believe y’all could of taken it farther. Not sure if a win is possible but I love to see the try
I could watch these two play together all day, wish this was a series. Viper&Hera vs the World ❤
6:00 yup hardest thing about AI is how if you attack with mixed army vs mixed a
AI army. AI will sometimes attack every cav wuth spears, every archer with skirms... etc so every counter unit will be countering every unit you have even if yiu have 200 pop army.
When I saw that all of them were still alive, I knew numbers would eventually win
THE DREAM HAS BEEN COMPLETED!!!! I wish they were a duo or on the same team in Tournaments aswell....god that would be a deadly thing
@Hera absolutely love this kind of game. My buddies and I are super low elo so we do this with AI. 3v5, 2v6, along those lines. We like land nomad and just making a big unified base. Anyway, massively fun to watch this. Can't wait for more!
Would it be possible to get some caster to look at these games? I would be nice to see it from observer perspective.
Hera is a great positive personality to follow through these brutal slugfests! Very entertaining
Nice to see Hera and Viper at peace after the dravidian saga 11
Awesome content brother. Its good seeing you two teaming up.
I can’t believe you guys did this. I’m a fan of both Hera and viper with your unique gamestyles and tactics.
Your 1v1s are always awesome.
Your 1v3s or 4s are awesome
But both of you playing together against six? Omg. I haven’t watched this yet but I can’t wait.
Concept is so cool, collab is crazy and the video was very good, Ty Hera!
This is a must see game of 2024, it's crazy to see the pros lose - it seemed like you Hera were playing really good this game. I bet if you guys did a rematch; and you and Viper both agree to double-rush an enemy you could win. (being sure to plant tower/castle on their TCs to make sure you actually keep them down) (human players are much better than AI in 'near-death recovery').
Fun game. It seemed winnable until early imp. Rams might be meta for clearing high elo players on closed maps but remember that these are 1100 and 1200 players who often buckle under smaller raids. Maybe if he moved on earlier from orange (who was forever low eco already) and briefly harassed gray and purple's eco he slows them down enough to help viper win his side.
I love this one! I was rooting for Hera and Viper all the time, but I guess two pockets per one person is really hard to deal with, even for you guys. Thank you both for a great video!!
It makes me happy to see two of the best in the game (the best period?) so friendly. 🤝
This is epic! Thank you Hera & Viper!
Man loving these creative videos, keep em coming!
Hahahaha oh yeah !!!!
This is the best content of AoE 2 in my opinion =)
Cooperating 2 great players vs 6 others players, while we can folow and listen to them during all the game !
Perfect !! =D
This is FUCKING EPIC!!! So great to see the two greatest working together!!!
This was great. Definitely would love more Hera+Viper vids
This is pure gold! Will go down in history as one of the many to come. This is the best AoE2DE series in history, ever!
Epic game soo excited to see another one ❤
What a game! Enjoyed it soo much. Well played
Aaaaha this is super fun, viper jumping onboard (with reservations) is a very nice addition. This could become a thing!
You gotta do one with DauT!! Or MBL. This concept is amazing
Hera and MBL vs many combinations of players is a series I would love to exist
Awesome game! i love that you could get Viper into this. What a fun watch.
First time at this channel and I would love to see more of these!
Haven’t watched this yet but super excited by this! Enjoy when top players team up as they can work so smooth together
I was literally thinking about game like that yesterday. What an absolute treat!
LOVE hearing you two discuss tactics together.
Been waiting for this. Love both of you guys. Playing together? Top tier content. Immediate watch.
Kinda knew you weren't going to succeed, 2v6 with those ratings is crazy man. I doubt you'd have won a 2v5.
13:10 "I got an MbL army on me" was so funny
Amazing content hera, well played.
Maybe the Viper was not ready for the challenge :)
Warms my cold heart seeing this colab
Nice! Also, another idea for your "vs players"-challenges: meta-handicaps! For example, play with resource count, minimap and scores hidden (tape/post-it on monitor); play with super low resolution; play with only mouse (no hotkeys), play with only keyboard (use numpad to control mouse), play with minimum mouse sensitivity, play with graphics tablet, play with trackpad...
I like what happened with the eagles at 28:57 the way they just broke Hera's archer bait by splitting, is almost like grey knew what was going to happen before engaging.
Finally!! So glad this happened! A new milestone in the history of AoE2. Best 2 players in the world vs 6. Keep them coming!!
hell yeah, it was an amazing game, and 2 of my favorite aoe 2 players playing together, a dream come true, can't wait for the next game
Orange really took it for all of them but he didn't resign and kept his presence known so the rest of the team could slowly crawly forward and eventually destroy.
That little peace from viper at the end 11
Also glad to see you are still friends after the Dravidians banter kappa. Great content, looking forward to the next match with you and viper
Comedy gold already in the intro, “You ruined it by bringing me in” such a snake thing to say LOL
Legit one of the best I seen y’all was going ham I thought you was gonna win
Hey man at exactly 3:52 you select all the villagers, without dragging selecting them, you just click, yet the one on the far left on your screen didnt got selected. How do you do that?!
mahn... this is LEGENDARY. thanks for doing this...
This is great! I enjoyed your 1 v 4 game the other day. I think maybe 1 v 3 or 2 v 4-5 would be the ticket. I think this would make for a cool series/tournament. Pros vs Joes.
Marvel: We have the most ambitious crossover.
Hera: Hold my Hussars!
Great game to watch! It could be awesome to watch a similar game but switching team, such as Hera + 2 or 3 intermediate players vs TheViper (or another pro player) +2 or 3 intermediate players, it could be very interesting.
Hera always seems so smiley around the The Viper. You gotta love it.,
This matches are so fun!! more of this please!!
Loved this! Look forward
to more!!
When viper said orange "went lyx" i lost it 😂. GG
This is dream content! The 2 best vs. a team of what's basically us 😁
Oh this is even better than your regular challenges! :) :)
Its amazing!!!! Viper and Hera in same game always IS gg🎉
We need someone to cast this, preferably Dave in real time!
Would it be possible to see this match from capture age? Freaking cool and fun to watch, thank you!
Love the video! Look forward to the next.
Huns and Mongols sounds like a cool combo.
I am so glad this is finally here!!
This was a huge amount of fun!
Great ! We need more of this guys
For comparison, is 1100 about the level you need to be to consistently beat Extreme AI? At ~950 I can usually beat hard but often get wrecked by hardest
Great video of both of u making team!
I missed this one, thankfully I caught the second one and was able to find this one.
very nice more of these would be fun
This is SO GOOD love this format!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Finally!! More of this
What would the conversion be for 11xx HD vs 2018 Voobly ratings?
Good video ❤
Can’t wait for more
Bro, I recommend this idea to you like a month ago! 11 This is epic!!
haha. I remembered a match in 2003, me against 7 friends. I was an active player in a strong clan in Brazil, I played frequently in the zone, I had a rank of 1900+ (ok, not much, but my friends challenged me although they had never played multiplayer). I chose the team island map, to give them time to settle in (btw today I think it might have been advantageous for me). Anyway, I invaded their island and started destroying them. However, suddenly they appear with cobra car. So I lost. I didn't see that they left the cheat active. Anyway, they all know I would have won if it weren't for that.
This game has a level of complexity that really have a big gap between those who play only offline and those who play ranked multiplayer.
This is the best. I want see this on the whole map pool/ custom maps.
I was supposed to be doing important stuff today and then saw this video... had to watch it.
wow Orange played so well. He was clearly behind and up against a stronger army with hera micro. But he played really defensive and bought a lot of time for his team, always keeping his army safe.
Excited to see this
The collab we didn't know we absolutely needed
Love seeing hera/viper games!
i played this game for 10 years when i was kid and i did not know i could push the wildlife with my scout to the center..we used t play this 5 v 5 on Lan when it came out.And it was 10 hours a day for 10 years :D basically half my life :D
Hera, you are a beast! Well played.
haven't watched much aoe2 lately but this was too good to skip. Loved it
You underestimated oranges will to keep going!
Nice game, but it was quite obvious when you showed the oppo elos. They have 1100 and 1200s in there. 2v6 would realistically work only if you were against all sub 1000 elo i think.
what do you think about 2 team, 1 pro and 2 beginer each side. Somerhing like that