I'm thinking in the same wave length as you. Bit too soon for Ric and a very harsh ending for Nyck. Followed Nyck for a couple years now and after the P9 with Williams i was thrilled and though that Nyck will surely take Latifis seat. But when they announced that an Alpha contract had been sign i felt regret for Nyck. That Williams seat had Nycks name all over it . . . Owell f1 is a harsh environment and redbull is harsher.
It's very good to asses how good tsunoda and Ricciardo are. Believe me, if Ricciardo washes Yuki he will be promoted for next year. If Tsunoda dominates him, then is goodbye to ricciardo.
I hope he’s able to join FE again, maybe even Lmp2 in Imsa once wec gets rid of that field, he’s not formula 1 cut out but he’s definitely cutout for racing
To be fair, Mazespin was delivering something for Haas that de Vries did not for Alpha Tauri: financial security. If he didn’t bring money, he would’ve been out the moment he started a discussion with Guenther.
Of course, and I do mention that, but AT don't have financial concerns at this time. Marko chose him because he was captivated by the shiny Monza thing.
Ironically, Mazepin and De Vries are two of the most prepared modern rookies. Nyck has been a McLaren and Mercedes junior for 10+ years, Mazepin was constantly testing the Mercedes and the Force India since 2016, maybe even earlier, due to his dad's funding. Only other one who is similar is Stroll, his dad literally brought him the 2014 Williams to test constantly in 2016.
@@LawVSAlpha Tauri CEO Peter Bayer has been raging about the CapEx change for the bottom teams, claiming they can’t spend the new allowance. So, while they’re not going to go bankrupt, the prize points are a huge deal. RBR sponsors sooo many drivers. They should be celebrated, not blamed for having 12 seats.
I feel really bad for nyck they didn’t even wait two races until the summer break and he showed some improvements I think they’re putting Daniel in the car to see how he compares to yuki so then they could see his yuki compares to checo
Yeah, Nyck needed to have until Spa to show what he can do with those new upgrades. And by Daniel going in to test Yuki...he'll trounce him and put Yuki's seat in jeopardy.
@LawVS i dont think yuki would be in jeopardy at all, i think its just to see whether they should leave ricciardo at AT and move Yuki up, or vice versa. They need experienced fast drivers at both teams so i cant see them rushing to bring in lawson. Instead i see a switcharoo between checo and danny. Yuki still gets a veteran driver to mentor him, and danny and max back at redbull. I think redbull wins most that way.
@@LawVS who is to say that Ricciardo is going to beat Tsunoda? Cause Ricciardo's last seasons were just downright bad, and there is no garantue that ricciardo can do better in a difficult AT
Nyck has wasted enough of their time. He was nothing and he should've never entered F1. He was weak in his first F2 season and I knew he was gonna fail. AlphaTauri need to grab everything they can to get forward. They still want to fight for constructor's standings and Williams have surpassed them. Embrassing. Nyck isn't gonna do anything. They need another reliabile force next to Yuki and that's Daniel.
@@wicklash9065 LOL Yuki isn't in need of mentoring, he's one of the strongest drivers on the grid right now. Only his race engineer or Tost will coach him for a bit, but he's matured and understands what he needs to do and is more composed as well as committed. He's not a crybaby. He could beat Sainz in equal material I'd say. He's in the zone and the car is just worthless. Next race he will show it, Ricciardo needs to be on it right away. No more excuses but at least it cannot be as bad as Debris was. LOL.
Brendon had to take so many grid penalties to get the honda engine ready for Max to dominate i think the Honda people thought his feedback really helped
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Personally I think the mazepin argument is unfair since his father was bankrolling the team. Nyck was signed at 28 to be the “experienced” and steady driver so could try younger talents in other seat. He was not as good as expected and have a known driver in Daniel and have 2 juniors ready for next season. Think nyck picked badly as he was offered Williams but rbr really have no reason to develop a 28 year old when they have daniel lying about. Sink or swim with red bull and he sank hard
I get that but Marko hired him and should honour his contract. They just got the big upgrade package and Nyck got little time to learn them. I get swapping but surely wait until Spa.
Daniel Riccardo was my favorite driver. So for me as long as he’s back I’m happy. I’m sorry for Nyck since he truly tried his best however. It’s not his fault, more that Red Bull didn’t give him enough time to get used to drive an F1 Car.
First, that Ricciardo impression, uncannily good. Second, I think theyre putting Daniel in that AT04 as a benchmark, to see how Yuki is actually doing, because he's had time to grow and develop and now they wanna see if he could drive for them in the main team or to just not extend his contract make room for juniors. Third, if Daniel does manage to wipe the floor with Yuki, they might put him in the main team and put Sergio in that Alpha Tauri to benchmark Yuki once again.
Apart from scoring points, the only other thing Nick could have done is have more marketing value. He lacks "hype" character and he did not fit well with Yuki in media events. Had he scored points it would be less of an issue.
0:45 we have to remember that Maz brought in a lot of money and was in a haas. Nyck is in a “red bull” and a part of the red bull family and they don’t like people who underperform. Good luck to Nyck in FE( i assume he’s going back to FE) and I’m excited to see Daniel and see what he does
I am hoping Daniel Ric does well. Also imagine Lance Stroll who is not doing so well in Aston roast De Vries by saying " At least I got more points, got podium and got pole and lasted more than 10 races than De Vries" imagine him saying that.
At Nyck's age he has no room for improvement, that's why he was let go now. Danny Ric can score points in the alphatauri if Yuki was able to get a few P10 and 11's.
Great video ! I think, that Red Bull plan is to put Daniel in RB second seat. Why ? Because if it was only about Alpha Tauri and De Vries, they would do this change in the Summer Break or even after. I think something big is comming 🤯
It's a test for everyone (but Max, lol): 1. for Checo to up his game or risk replacement; 2. for Daniel to prove that he's not washed and can still race at top level; 3. for Yuki to see how he'll stack up against a high caliber driver (even if DR is probably not at his best right now).
Think nyck should’ve had more time. I saw reported that Horner rang marko an hour into the tyre test and said Ricciardo was doing well. Marko supposedly replied by sacking Nyck immediately
It's ruthlessly harsh on Nyck, but RB have always had a ruthless streak - only before they've not had someone a ready-made reserve to throw in so it makes a harsh kind of sense. Especially as it's zero risk for RB - either Ricciardo does well, in which case have a contract for next year, or nothing changes or he does worse than De Vries [possible considering that AT is only going backwards right now] if so G'day, Mr. Lawson! Just say Ric's past it and keep him on as an ambassador for the marketing pull. It makes way too little sense to be logical, which makes it perfect for RB's driver policy of recent years since... Um... Well, since Ricciardo left. Gasly and Sainz must be thankful they got out when they did! (Meanwhile, Albon's making notes while looking for clauses)
@@LawVSThe decision was made and they was no point delaying the inevitable. They were waiting for data from Ricciardo's test run from Silverstone and once, it proved satisfactory, the announcement was made then and there.
Whilst it is a shame for Nyck. He was much more prepared than most rookies, he drove 5 different F1 cars last year, and has been a Mercedes driver for 3 years, plus a McLaren junior as far back as 2013. Personally I'd have put Lawson in. For me it's a case of why keep another team's junior in. When we can put a 22 year old driver who we've sunk millions into, It's not like Lawson's gonna drop them lower in the constructors.
Yeah but that car is a lemon and even Yuki is struggling to get much out of it at this point of the season. It's hard to judge until their upgrades have bedded in
To be honest, it baffled me at the start that it Nyck didn't go to Williams instead. Sure, Logan Sargeant might've been an okay choice at the time (and to be fair, he deserves to have people be a lot more forgiving about his performances as a true rookie), but as someone else pointed out: I feel like things would've been better off if Logan Sargeant were left to 'sizzle' for another season, and they got Nyck in a car he had already driven and even gotten points in. Sure, it's highly likely that NvD would've performed as bad as he did (though I doubt it since at the very least; the AT is surely worse than the Williams car), but at the least he would've been given a better chance at showing his skills off, or being given a lot more leeway compared to being a Merc driver in an RB environment. I agree that we can't be all too forgiving for Nyck, but I think it's missed potential to at least have tested his first season with Williams than with AT. Plus, having an empty AT seat means Lawson is in, which would've been good.
I have a sneaking suspicion that this move might end up more positive for red bull juniors than expected, but it's all dependent on Checo's and Ricciardo's performances for the remainder of the season. If Checo keeps failing to deliver in quali, and Ricciardo thoroughly smokes yuki, then it's perfectly possible that we may end up with Max - Daniel in RB 2024, and two free seats at Toro Rosso. Not that I'm saying it's a likely scenario, but Christian Horner has seemingly deliberately created a three way fight for the second Red Bull seat until the end of this season, and the losers are getting the chop. Is Red Bull's pressure cooker about to boil over again? And is it on purpose this time?
Too soon. NdV was showing improvement and every chance Yuki blows DR away on track (which might be the point I guess). At this point, the RB Academy feels more like a massively expensive social experiment than a pathway to F1.
I feel bad for Nick, but im also excited for Daniel to be back. As he has a good chance of getting back to Redbull if he is consistently beating Yuki and luckily scoring points to bring Alphtauri to at least 9th or 8th in the constructors.
I can understand why there are mixed emotions. I feel that if they had waited for the summer break, there would be more positive sentiments toward this news.
What I feel is going on is Daniel is there to either evaluate Yuki or show the true potential of alpha tauri. If he blasts past Yuki I think 2024 is Max and Daniel then Liam Lawson will take the next Alpha/ Rosso / whatever seat (until 26 ofc). If the honey badger does not show, then I see Yuki getting the spot in 2024 and Liam taking that remaining seat; Daniel will basically be there as a mentor.
We’re now pretty aware this was a secondary benefit. It’s more clear than ever Yuki will never be an RBR driver. So, this was much more about Checo’s seat than Yuki.
This could not be explained better, honestly agreed with all points. Great video Although I do hope that silly season will include a slight swapping of Logey Sarge and De Vries, Honestly I just think is all in the style of driving, and the Alpha Tauri just did not Suit him what so ever.
Thank you! I feel there's more to come with silly season. I've heard some rumours of Norris replacing Charles at Ferrari, him going to Merc...it's beginning.
IMO RBR is unhappy with the AT squad, which is underperforming at all levels. The decision to axe Nyck I believe has more to do with strategic decisions regarding the entire team. Yuki is leading the team at the moment “sort of”…, and RBR higher-ups are unsure if Yuki has made any improvements..,therefore I believe DR is seen to be a good yard-stick to measure both the car and Yuki’s performance to gain a better insight for near future decisions.. I believe there is a lot of pressure on AT to start performing, and that’s why extraordinary steps are taken now. Nyck unfortunately did not perform enough with the 10 races he was given.. and all he had to do was NOT TO CRASH, and to finish either ahead or just behind Yuki.., in which case he obviously failed. DR however will bring excitement to AT.., I can’t wait to see how he will perform against Yuki..😊
I think RB have more problems than meets the eye. Dieter’s passing away was bound to have fallout, and maybe this is just the beginning of that. We dont know whats really happening in the boardrooms.
I dont think Ric-RB was a good idea. Man couldnt let go the RB. Its like its a toxic relationship. Breaking up and reuniting again. I dont think he has the performance anymore. Time will tell. I hope RB doenst lose Tsunoda
@@LawVS yeah it's a shame. Hopefully we'll at least see some good racing from Daniel and Yuki, and maybe Nyck could get his chance again should there be some drastic change up amongst the team orders in the near future
At the end of the day, it really is "drive to survive" and F1 is absolutely ruthless. I would have given Nyck until the summer break at the very least. But you can make the argument that he is 28 and has driven for 5 F1 teams in different circumstances before, so he isn't a rookie entirely. That combined with that he was indeed a shiny toy Marko bought in a whim (before the old shining toy with good memories linked to it aka Ricciardo), this is what you get. For Red Bull they can get a lot out of this move: - the marketing of bringing a beloved face back into F1 - accessing Dannys current driving capabilities - putting pressure on Yuki to prove himself against an established name - putting pressure in Cheko to improve or get the boot at the end of the season. Absolutely ruthless, yes, but such is competition at the very top. All that being said, it will be interesting to see how good Danny really is in 2023 in what is currently a bottom 3 car. I like him as much as the next guy, but the fact of a matter is he hasn't been a top driver in a top car since 2017/18. Max clearly outclassed him at the end. His Renault stint wasn't bad but definitely also not what he set out to do. And he failed badly at McLaren and was now out of the game for some time, even if it was just 6 months. If the simulator times are anything to go by, he was also clearly off pace with Max and Cheko. The later might struggle at the moment, but he can still win races and make recovery runs from P15 into the top 5. Danny will have to not only match but surpass that if he wants that 2nd Red Bull seat in the long run. I already see people talking about Danny possibly challenging Max for the title in 2024, I doubt it will be such a cake walk. And I hope de Vries does continue to shine in other racing series, he clearly isn't bad.
Oh yes, Nyck was a temporary stopgap, but he was also a driver they hired to drive and he was doing that to the best of his ability with the tools he had. Recieving constant negative sentiments from your manager, a car which is at the back solidly and media vitriol, it's kinda hard to focus which all leads to any drivers' downfall. Which is what probably consigned Latifi to the exit in 2022 too. Red Bull made the logical choice, but it was an impatient one.
I dont see danny ric staying longer than this season unless: - checo fully drops the ball, either danny and Yuki gets promoted, lawson replaces the promotee or - danny destroys yuki, yuki gets dropped and Lawson gets in replacing yuki I think come 2024, lawson gets an AT seat, he did alright in f2, came pretty good in the end and is now already in the fight for the SF title
I for one think its a genius move by Marko. Putting Riccardo in Alpha Tauri has lit a fire under all of the drivers (Except Max). - Riccardo is going to want to prove that hes worthy of getting back to Red Bull. - Tsunoda is going to want to prove that he is worthy to move up to Red Bull. - Perez is going to want to prove that he is worthy to stay in Red Bull. All three drivers are going to he working HARD for the rest of this season.
I know F1 and RB in particular is cut throat, but I couldn't imagine having to skin alive someone else's opportunity just to steal a seat for myself. I'm happy to have Ric back but the way he came back... leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Hope it works out for him, truly. We all know how it when when Danny Ric was in RB challenging Max... RB doesn't want someone to actually challenge their #1 & I don't blame 'em.
Yeah, I bet Red Bull are like: "What? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!"
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Helmut Marko is a ruthless manager and with an experienced driver like DeVries, he thought that he should have come in and AT LEAST matched his teammate, which he hasn't. They're also grooming Dani Ric to replace Perez. There's also a possibility that hiring DeVries was way to snatch a potential good driver from the midfield teams.
Its a smart move,on one hand you see if Yuki can rise up & maybe get the 2nd rbr seat & at the same time the same for Daniel.Also if Daniel does well,finishing above Yuki then Yuki is forced to drive better & at the same time its a message to Perez that his seat isnt secured,also a big marketing move so all in all its a great move by RedBull.Btw Lawson is doing well in SF so it makes 0 sense to take him to AT now,next season its a must but for now let Liam grow.
@@LawVS after Spa yes it would be the right time,who know the full reason i dou t we will find out the full story ,Perez fans should be scared cause a conspiracy theory is Perez has the next 2 races to bounce back or else he is in the AT or even worse as a 3rd driver at Rbr(dunno who would replace him),still something must have gone wrong for them to chance a driver now before the summer break.
The P1 guys said it pretty well, i believe. Nyck is 28 years old and despite being a rookie, is older than most drivers on the grid. Unfortunately, he doesnt have the luxury of time like Yuki did in order to demonstrate his abilities and maintain redbull's faith. It seems as though they are setting up for either Yuki or Danny to replace Checo depending on who performs better in the upcoming races.
It's like a bandaid, the slower you pull it, the more it hurts. As a Dutchie I would have loved for de Vries to make it in F1 but he just wasn't what was promised. With his age and past experience he just doesn't have the trajectory that some of the others could have and with him underperforming like this, this does seem like the right choice to me. From his point of view I get why he choice Alpha Tauri but with the team severely underperforming and the pressure from RedBull being at an all time high it really was not the right choice for him. Would've been much better if he would've gotten a seat at Williams. The pressure would've been much lower and he would've had much more time to get up to speed. This choice of going for Alpha Tauri have probably ruined him for life because I don't see another team (ever) picking him up again.
Tsunoda is at best the 13th best driver on the grid So Ricciardo has to beat him, in order to show he is still a top half of the grid talent I think he will, Red Bull must have seen something very encouraging to sign him up the same DAY
I think Yuki could do better with better equipment. If Yuki can step up and not allow Daniel to beat him, that might cement his career in F1 for the medium term.
The only reason I think it made sense to discard DeVries so soon was because the pressure on him was different than other Rookies. First, he did a great job last year in the Williams but not only that, he's an FE champions and an F2 champion. He was a reserve driver for Mercedes, I think it was required from him to be as close with Tsunoda. Nobody expected him to beat Tsunoda or score points, but out of 10 races he DNF'ed twice because he crashed. From his results with a best of 12th and an average finish position of 16th and Tsunoda with an average finish position of 13th it's no wonder RB is choosing to change. Now, could they have waited until the end of the season? Perhaps, but they're probably trying not to finish last and risking losing tons of money in the process. All in all I think it was the right decision I honestly didn't think he was really worth the hassle of putting in the AT, there was a reason why he wasn't picked up for F1 earlier and it shows
One thing that was pointed out yesterday on AT's twitter was them posting a photodump of Yuki and Nyck at Silverstone, only for 3 hours later for Daniel to be announced. No bye from Nyck or anything. It's ruthless. Marko and his RB Junior Program are a farce and it sucks this is Hartley all over again. I am excited but also worried for Ricciardo. Also... YENSON MY FRIEND
the difference between nyck and mazepin is that nyck was racing under the “redbull branch” of teams whilst mazepin was in haas. Haas who, up to then, were pretty much last, compared to redbull that expect the best of their drivers 24/7. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a bit harsh yes, but there isn’t anything wrong or out of step with the usual redbull antics.
3:10 Insert that one Toy Story 2 meme: "I don't want to play with you anymore." Jokes aside, it's a shame Nyck didn't last even till the summer break. I'm very happy that Ricciardo is back on the grid but I'm obviously keeping my expectations tempered since that car is the slowest. I have heard others speculate that perhaps Red Bull pulled this move so quickly was to pressure Checo due to his unfortunate string of performances. If that is indeed why they did it, I'm torn about that since I like both Checo and Danny.
Red Bull's driver lineup and media shenanigans have made me basically never want to support them, starting the second there was friction in the driver lineups after Seb left in 2015 (i know it was IN 2014 but you know what i mean). I'll go to my deathbed feeling like Nyck only made so many mistakes because he KNEW that the current situation would happen if he didn't perform. Keyword "knew", at this point it wasn't even a question of if this "could" happen. All the best to Daniel, but I do feel like he will be slower than Tsunoda at first and possibly only level pegging with him by the end of the season.
Honestly I think a lot of it uas to do with nyck already being older than a lot of the rising stars currently in f1. Also I think when he was first signed he talked a big game and brought high expectations onto himself. When I compare his interviews to other rookies there's a level of arrogance opposed to humbleness or thankfulness. As for Daniel, Super happy he's going to be back on the grid. Regardless of where he ends up I'm happy the car won't be as booty next year. Yuki's been very solid this season and I hope with Daniel joining it'll only make him stronger. It felt like yuki and DeVries didn't have good chemistry and hopefully Daniel fixes that.
True, he may have tried too hard and overspoke which gave Marko a lot of hope...and it all fell apart. All parties were at fault here, it was just a major mismatch
if this was another rookie i would think it's mad. but dev got the drive because of his experience in FE and F2, at 28 years old that he would hit the ground running and be good off the bat. he knew what he was getting himself into being in the red bull system and he HAD to perform at the very least on par with yuki, there were no real signs of improvement and it was a disaster every weekend. if he was 19 or 20 like yuki then yeah it would make sense to keep him around for a few years to develop but he isnt, he is nearly 30 and he knew he wasnt getting the same time as yuki.
Just saying, Redbull decided to sign a 4 yr reserve driver after watching a single race where he had a car that was always going to do well. Meanwhile, De Vries decided to sign with the team known to be a pressure cooker, while also saying he didn’t want to be called a rookie because he’s an FE, F2, and Formula Renault Championship that’s 28
Exactly. That was the wrong choice at the time but they should've lived with their choice for the duration of the contract OR AT LEAST until the summer break.
I think I'm way missing something. About Ricardo. I used to love F1. Stopped in highschool when vettel was omnipotent. I came back because of Drive to Survive. And I just don't understand why Ricardo is so loved? It just felt like to me he left red bull because of Max. And then kinda just faffed around at Renault and McLaren. And didn't McLaren end up paying him to not drive the car? And just glancing at his wiki, it doesn't look tHAt impressive. 232 races, 32 podium, 8 wins. 1311 points. Comparing that to Checos, 249 races, 31 podiums, 6 wins, 1351 points. So pretty close, but almost everyone it seems wants Ricardo in and checo out. I'm not trying to hate. I am legitimately curious what people see that I'm missing.
Ricciardo is so loved because of his charm off-track and also kinda down to him being the "main character" of DTS since the first season. He got the most screentime in the earlier seasons so people were more exposed to his antics.
I also think that 4 of Perez his wins came in the best car on the grid and mostly when Max had a bad weekend(not all). While Ricciardo never had the most dominant car in his time at RBR so I think most of his wins are more impressive. Not saying Perez didn't have to work for them btw. Let's say there's a team that for 10 years straight has a car that's 1 second a lap quicker than the rest of the field which means that they finish 1-2 almost every race, and in those 10 years there's someone that can grab a few wins off of them then I'm more impressed by those wins than the big number of wins from the dominant car drivers.
I do feel bad for Nyck, but no one forced him to sign that contract and if you saw DTS and just the general media hype at the time everyone expected Nyck to destroy Yuki and become the leader of that team! Nyck himself even stated he didn't want the expectations of a "rookie" and expected to become the lead driver. Don't get me wrong Red Bull are absolute savages and the youth program is kind of in shambles but seeing how the exact opposite turned out for Nyck he has no one to blame but himself for setting such a high bar and not even remotely come close to it
No one's talking about if Daniel can't make that Alpha Tauri perform. What then? So many drivers get hyped and don't deliver on their return. Also, Daniel: "Can't wait to pick up where I left off" then immidiately gets mowed down by max again
To be honest I kinda expected DeVries to be out early if he did not perform Helmut Marko did that to many drivers. Kvyat drip him out in replace of Verstappen after Russia. Gasly was replaced by Albon after his disastrous first 12 races In Redbull, Albon was replaced by Perez at the end of 2020, and now with DeVries that is how Marko is, and if Ricciardo and Tsunoda if one of them didn't perform they might be out. It is the Helmut Marko way it seems.
At least with Kvyat he got to stay at Toro Rosso for a little while. I felt like Nyck could've had two more races to let their upgrades fully settle in.
Plot twist: The AT is actually not that bad but Yuki is much worse than everybody thinks. Not impossible. And RBR needs a benchmark before they start their closer partnership next year.
I would doubt that at present BUT if there are new upgrades coming that are closer to the Red Bull car or the 2024 is a more carbon copy of the RB20, then perhaps.
From what I’ve heard about ricciardo’s time on the sim is that because the mclaren was so counterintuitive to drive he had picked up some bad habits. That’s why redbull said that he was so bad in the beginning. Not sure if all of it is true but he should have unlearned those habits by now
To be honest though, I didn't like Nyck and he put a lot of pressure on himself with the interview he did when he came into formula one. Drive To Survive Season 5 Episode 8 15:25. This is him giving an interview after getting signed and it's what he says. Interviewer: "What are you going to bring to Alpha Tauri Next season?" Nyck: "I believe a bit of maturity. Yuki is super entertaining for all of us. I'm not sure if I should trust whatever he teaches me. And I'm not sure if it's wise to repeat or replicate the actions." Even if it is just joking I don't know that it was the best time to throw some jabs at your new teammate when you get announced as a driver for the team.
I suppose so, but as we saw with Oscar and Logan this year, you need time to find your feet before you can let your personality shine through and people see you for your true self. Even Daniel seemed a little awkward at first and when he got the results, he transformed into the Daniel we know now. Nyck never got to pupate into the proper de Vries.
Could it be that this is just a precursor for Daniel replacing Checo? Daniel would just need to show that he hasn’t lost his skills. The combination of Max and Daniel was the best one for Red Bull in years, and Daniel probably settles for second driver in the winning team by now.
I feel like the summer break is the perfect time for a mid-season driver change, don't know why they didn't wait 2 more races. It isn't that inportant but anyways
I don't believe that fully since tyre compounds, weather conditions were different to the weekend. You can't quantify them. Also, the revealed times implied P8 instead of the front row, so maybe he was good enough for a chance at AT...but we shall see.
Well really depends on expectations. Nick was expected to be better than Yuki. Although I personally think even older drivers need time to adjust when switching series, that’s not what Alpha Tauri wanted. I mean Romain Grosjean still hasn’t won a race at Indy and Marcus Ericsson took a few seasons to get good. So not sure why Redbull who to be fair with Bourdais, Hartley and now DeVries are the only ones that give older drivers a chance at F1 expected anything. Perez though having too many low patches was better than Albon and Gasly who came to Redbull too soon. They might be disappointed in Daniel, and Lawson has been waiting for too long. I think slowly they might sell their team. Their Junior program is now just a paid academy, where the drivers pay to be a part of it, why we don’t have anyone genuinely whining in that anymore.
The thing is is that AT04 wasn't really good enough to give a good benchmark for either driver. All they could is TRY to get a point or two here or there and just survive as other cars fell away...but they didn't.
It's unfortunate DeVries won't get a proper chance to prove himself. The AlphaTauri car (arguably) isn't in great shape and while I hope Danny's performance can improve over what we last saw at McClaren... Who knows! To be fair, I can't say I believe in Yuki's ability to not lose his temper and self sabotage. Checo is getting by on the skin of his teeth and isn't going to last long if Red Bull can get someone more consistent to go P2 behind Max. Danny is a fan favorite, I'm happy to see him back, let's just hope he can swing it!
6:16 yeah but obviously the team saw the data after the fact and thought he was good enough. Some say it was a good enough lap for the front row last weekend. Now if that was on a harder tire or equal tire, that would be a good indicator. I will say it rained after the gp, so he went into a green track, and it was very cloudy that day.
Mick’s simulator work has been hailed by Toto, Lewis and George….you aren’t seeing him mid season replacing Logan. Sim work means nothing. There’s way more to this than just Nyck and Daniel. Dieter passing away has meant a huge shuffle of power in the boardroom and I believe Helmut is under pressure to go. Nyck has been a very unfortunate casualty. And dont for one moment think this is guaranteed to be good for Daniel. This could be the nail in his F1 career coffin.
Oh I don't want him to replace Logan for the time being. He's doing a good job learning and Williams is teaching him well. And yes, I bet there's pressure from the new RB chief which MIGHT explain why Marko has made these erratic calls as of late.
I think that this is Red Bull putting pressure on Checo. If he continues to under preform in the RB19, Red Bull may put the better driver between Daniel and Yuki in the Red Bull #2 seat then have the other be the senior driver to Lawson next year at Alpha Tori or whatever they rename it as.
I think Danny Ric is in place to see if he can replace Checo. I can see Danny Ric potentially getting booted at the end of the season (as he’s not a ‘red bull driver’) and then have yuki and Liam Lawson in for 2024
Maybe ford had some input on this? Their partnering up with red bull soon and red bull has a history of letting their partners influence their driver line ups (yuki and honda). Maybe ford wanted somebody in the system that has a big pressence in the states to make this venture a bigger deal for fords marketing efforts
@@LawVS overall I think it's not a great look to ditch nyck so soon but I just don't what could be accomplished by letting nyck keep going. He never really made much sense for alpha tauri when they hired him anyways. I was pretty perplexed by that hire. Atleast daniel can serve a purpose of testing and pushing yuki harder. Daniel and yuki were anyways Sergio's two biggest threats for his seat. So maybe this is about red bull putting all it's players at the table and letting them sort it out themselves.
I kinda want to hear from everyone’s opinions on nyck and if anyone thinks he will ever get back in f1 I feel 10 races just isn’t enough time to see his potential
@@LawVS I feel like Williams has a pretty solid line up I feel he should of just signed with them last year it would of been a more positive environment but I understand why he would go to alpha tauri anyone would but yeah I hope this isn’t the last we see of him
It's not about Nyck's performance. If I'm to speculate, it has something to do with investors (whose friends with Helmut) getting back at Nyck after that loan debacle.
The rumors are Yuki will be pulled to Aston by Honda, and if Daniel doesn't preform this year, liam will be put in the car in 2024, and if not he'll be put in 2025
Given he was starting to make improvements i dont understand why they took him away so soon. I get that Nyck is 28 and didnt want to be treated as a rookie etc. Maybe they got too excited after they saw the times Danny was putting in with the RB19 given we heard his best time was enough for a front row at Silverstone. Feel bad for Nyck but im also excited for Danny
I feel like everyone is forgetting that the alpha tauri is the worst car on the grid. Everyone is too caught up with the fact that he’ll be back next race to realize he might not preform and probably get beat by Yuki
I dont really agree with all the "oh, he should been given more time" folks, atleast in this particular case. De vries was brought into the redbull fold to perform immediately from the get go and provide a benchmark for Tsunoda. Red bull were never going to pull him through that rookie development curve in F1. If they were willing to do that, they would have gone with one of the own junior drivers, say lawson. Unfortunately for De vries, Tsunoda wiped the floor with him and by Austria the decision to sack him was already made, even though it was formally announced after Riccardo's trial run in the redbull in Silverstone. So, why delay the inevitable, Riccardo gets more races to adapt to the dumpster fire of a car and De vries can potentially start looking for other opportunities. However, I totally dont condone the manner in which De vries was treated in Alpha tauri as if set up for failure. The public insults from the eccentric austrian AKA Dr.Marko was unnecessary and uncalled for. In the end, it was De vries's decision to choose Alpha tauri (Knowing red bull's history and their lust for immediate results with drivers) over much more safe and stable options like williams.
The writing on the wall for Nyck was evident around Spain and I had a feeling he'd be gone by the summer break, which is in two race's time...surely it could've waited three weeks perhaps?
Ricardo is ABSOLUTELY A COMMODITY!!! If it's one thing Red Bull knows how to do, it's marketing. That's why they have a F1 team and an International Spanish Rap Battle league because they know what's going to sell and that trash clothing line isn't going to move units without a face to push it before the rebranding. How many reserve drivers do that much marketing for their team? He's just a commodity, and if Nyck Devris isn't pushing hats and shirts in p20 and p19, then Daniel Ricardo will. He has everyone pissing themselves just to see him in the worst car on the grid. That's money. Let's face it AT isn't mounting a comeback from 10th place when 9th place has 5× the points. They might as well, sell some DR3 hats, and cut that check.
Not a single Red Bull junior at the F2/F3 level will ever reach F1, they will probably also be thrown out of the program after this year, considering Red Bull wants to significantly reduce the amount of drivers in the program, only RB drivers that have F1 potential is Linblad and Deligny, no one should feel bad for drivers in the RB Program they know what they sign up for, and if you aren't among the best you won't get into F1, what happens when they get into F1 that’s a different discussion.
@@LawVSLawson is in SF so he was excluded as he Is out the junior ranks, that’s real professional racing, he is super adaptable to any machinery and could def get to F1, Iwasa is too inconsistent and Hauger is just not good enough.
Nyck is not performing, and it was delaying the inevitable to keep him. Max does not want another #1 driver next to max, but they do want another #1 driver in the future Toro Rosso car Daniel does not to score points, he needs to beat Yuki. Daniel scored a time that would have got him in the top four on much much harder tyres. This was the right move and frankly I hope William’s pick Nyck up again. Joe Seward F1 reporter witnessed Daniel beating times Checo scored and he is much closer to Max. AT04 will be moved to be closer to the RB, Daniel is one of the best drivers to develop cars Bottom line Nyck should have taken up the William’s drive
Danny Ric just has to hold on to the AT seat till next season when they start using more Red Bull parts, i don't expect much this season from him in that car.
This may be crazy to say but if daniel gets in the point (like 8th or 7th) for the next two races and checo keeps missing Q3 and missing the podium. Daniel may switch with checo during the summer break. This would be crazy tho
The Red Bull engineers are the ones that mentioned Dans time based on the tyres he was on and the green track that he would have been second quickest apparently. It’s not the actual time but the adjusted time taking into account the conditions of the track and tyres etc. Who knows really. 🤷♂️
@@LawVS yeah, but that would have been forced. This would have been like saying you will go to the dentist in two days anyway so you Hit your own cheeks for the next two days
People give Danny Ric too much of a pass for being 'le funny guy' and any other driver wouldn't have gotten away with making such a comeback. It was just a perfect opportunity for Red Bull to both sack De Vries and torture Checo simultaneously
you saying the old junior drivers leaving the team is a bad thing… but the point of the program was to get them in f1… and where carlos, alex, pierre, daniel are all now back in f1 redbull has been an efficient meat grinder for f1 drivers
True but it's the manner of how they leave. Gasly left after being kept on hold for too long. They strang Carlos along too. It's just their attitude that I don't like.
I don't feel bad for nyck. He had 6 months. And I think redbull did him a solid by offering him a drive. Yes someone losing their job is not something good. But I have no sympathy
I don't think it was all Nyck's fault, it's preparing for replacing Checo. Riccardo was faster than Lando around Silverstone & next year RB will probably need every point while Max might need a tail gunner
Re Riccardo's lap time. No team was going to wear out their engines for a Parelli tyre test. Marko was evidently talking about sim times. Re AT underperforming, I can easily imagine that some RB know-how might find its way from Danny's head into the AT car. Another reason for Danny to get the seat instead of Lawson, who would have traditionally gotten it.
I’m sorry, this was harsh, but he did it to himself. Nyck should have taken the Williams seat, he wouldn’t have been expected to beat Albon and it was recognisable machinery, but he thought he was too good to be a Williams driver, gambled everything on red (get it), and lost hard. Yes, if this has worked and he was smashing Yuki week in week out, it would be a very different discussion, however, he gambled, he lost.
Agreed. He and his agent should've said no and Capito should've been faster in securing him. It was a mismatch. Maybe this is why Marko is so against Mick, as he'd be another Mercedes refugee.
I feel he would have more to lose if he were to wait for next year. Liam Lawson IMHO is planned for 2024 to get the 2nd position in AlphaTauri. Now RB will test Tsunoda against Daniel and decide on the 2nd seat in RB between these two and Sergio. Daniel is betting his future now of course. If he succeeds he proves himself and has a chance for a drive in RB or in another team (maybe also Alpha Tauri if they indeed plan to revamp the team for next year). If he fails it will be the end of him.
All this does for me is make me feel less confident that Yuki will survive into 2024. If Daniel wipes the floor with him (which is possible) then Yuki could be ditched and Liam put in alongside Daniel. Having said that, Honda might look to stick Yuki into Aston as a reserve at least.
@@LawVS I believe for numerous reasons RB like Yuki and he will be safe. After all he has improved so much this year. It is said that RB wants to support him to promote him eventually to the RB seat for the long term and if Daniel will be better they will just leave him for another one or two years in AT to improve. But with RB one can never be certain of course. They have proven to be ruthless towards their drivers so many times.
No, I don;'t think this was too fast, I think they gave him goals he did not meet. But he was given this risk. he is 28, he was already a world champion, he shoulder have driven better and communicated better. I would have given him the first race, and a test race to see if he fits, and then already kick him out. which is harsh, but we're talking about an experienced driver.
I could or probably am wrong lol I just think its better to leave quick if you're not meeting redbulls.... requierments, its better to do that, then to stick and fail harder. I also think he could use the summer break to find something better for him. instead of waiting the entire summer KNOWING you are going to be cut out. which feels worse.
@@LawVS true.... true but someone made a comment about how he technically... had done more races he had driven Mercedese cars for a while, or training. I don't know the name for it, so it was not like most drivers where they would need to get into pace. he already had the experience neccecary to start strong.
What do you think of Daniel Ricciardo returning to F1? Is it too soon or just right?
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I think that he willl be fine and maybe move up to replace checo
I'm thinking in the same wave length as you. Bit too soon for Ric and a very harsh ending for Nyck. Followed Nyck for a couple years now and after the P9 with Williams i was thrilled and though that Nyck will surely take Latifis seat. But when they announced that an Alpha contract had been sign i felt regret for Nyck. That Williams seat had Nycks name all over it . . . Owell f1 is a harsh environment and redbull is harsher.
And if Yuki outclasses DR3 at AT? I'm not at all convinced DR3 will beat Yuki head-to-head. We shall see.
It's very good to asses how good tsunoda and Ricciardo are. Believe me, if Ricciardo washes Yuki he will be promoted for next year. If Tsunoda dominates him, then is goodbye to ricciardo.
Too soon but he’s got to take the opportunity or otherwise they’ll find someone else for the seat, which could squash his chances of racing next year.
We all feel bad for Nyck, but I think he should’ve returned next year and this mid season transfer was kind of weird too
Yeah this was too soon. The earliest should've been Zandvoort.
@@LawVSAND MAZISPIN HAD STAYED LONGER😢
I hope he’s able to join FE again, maybe even Lmp2 in Imsa once wec gets rid of that field, he’s not formula 1 cut out but he’s definitely cutout for racing
Nope
@@flexf1ampif there wassent a war mazepin would still drive because of daddys money
To be fair, Mazespin was delivering something for Haas that de Vries did not for Alpha Tauri: financial security. If he didn’t bring money, he would’ve been out the moment he started a discussion with Guenther.
Of course, and I do mention that, but AT don't have financial concerns at this time. Marko chose him because he was captivated by the shiny Monza thing.
Ironically, Mazepin and De Vries are two of the most prepared modern rookies. Nyck has been a McLaren and Mercedes junior for 10+ years,
Mazepin was constantly testing the Mercedes and the Force India since 2016, maybe even earlier, due to his dad's funding.
Only other one who is similar is Stroll, his dad literally brought him the 2014 Williams to test constantly in 2016.
@@LawVS Also because Max told him to go talk to Marko.
@@LawVSAlpha Tauri CEO Peter Bayer has been raging about the CapEx change for the bottom teams, claiming they can’t spend the new allowance. So, while they’re not going to go bankrupt, the prize points are a huge deal.
RBR sponsors sooo many drivers. They should be celebrated, not blamed for having 12 seats.
I feel really bad for nyck they didn’t even wait two races until the summer break and he showed some improvements I think they’re putting Daniel in the car to see how he compares to yuki so then they could see his yuki compares to checo
Yeah, Nyck needed to have until Spa to show what he can do with those new upgrades. And by Daniel going in to test Yuki...he'll trounce him and put Yuki's seat in jeopardy.
@LawVS i dont think yuki would be in jeopardy at all, i think its just to see whether they should leave ricciardo at AT and move Yuki up, or vice versa. They need experienced fast drivers at both teams so i cant see them rushing to bring in lawson. Instead i see a switcharoo between checo and danny. Yuki still gets a veteran driver to mentor him, and danny and max back at redbull. I think redbull wins most that way.
@@LawVS who is to say that Ricciardo is going to beat Tsunoda? Cause Ricciardo's last seasons were just downright bad, and there is no garantue that ricciardo can do better in a difficult AT
Nyck has wasted enough of their time. He was nothing and he should've never entered F1. He was weak in his first F2 season and I knew he was gonna fail. AlphaTauri need to grab everything they can to get forward. They still want to fight for constructor's standings and Williams have surpassed them. Embrassing. Nyck isn't gonna do anything. They need another reliabile force next to Yuki and that's Daniel.
@@wicklash9065 LOL Yuki isn't in need of mentoring, he's one of the strongest drivers on the grid right now. Only his race engineer or Tost will coach him for a bit, but he's matured and understands what he needs to do and is more composed as well as committed. He's not a crybaby. He could beat Sainz in equal material I'd say. He's in the zone and the car is just worthless. Next race he will show it, Ricciardo needs to be on it right away. No more excuses but at least it cannot be as bad as Debris was. LOL.
Even Brendon Hartley had a full season of F1 before being dropped, I feel bad for de Vries.
He had a full season's worth, but not quite a literal full season.
The writing was on the wall, even 2 good results in the next 2 and it's too little too late, so get the replacement in asap !
Brendon had to take so many grid penalties to get the honda engine ready for Max to dominate i think the Honda people thought his feedback really helped
As long Daniel doesn't perform worse and quickly gets used to the car, he will be fine.
Delighted to see him back.
Everyone is happy but the way his return was handled could've been better.
My thoughts exactly. I was extremely upset at Red Bull when I had heard the news. We need more F2 talent in F1 races.
I don't mind Daniel stepping in for a little bit, but Liam or Ayumu needs in for next year.
Hey! Just wanted to let you know your content is gold among F1 commentators. Highly underrated. Keep it going and you will grow! Was waiting for this vid ever since the news dropped lol
Thank you so much! I wanted to avoid making this but ultimately so many people wanted my take on it.
Personally I think the mazepin argument is unfair since his father was bankrolling the team. Nyck was signed at 28 to be the “experienced” and steady driver so could try younger talents in other seat. He was not as good as expected and have a known driver in Daniel and have 2 juniors ready for next season. Think nyck picked badly as he was offered Williams but rbr really have no reason to develop a 28 year old when they have daniel lying about. Sink or swim with red bull and he sank hard
I get that but Marko hired him and should honour his contract. They just got the big upgrade package and Nyck got little time to learn them. I get swapping but surely wait until Spa.
Daniel Riccardo was my favorite driver. So for me as long as he’s back I’m happy. I’m sorry for Nyck since he truly tried his best however. It’s not his fault, more that Red Bull didn’t give him enough time to get used to drive an F1 Car.
This is making me feel so torn. I like Daniel but the manner of his return seems so strange.
@@LawVSsame here
First, that Ricciardo impression, uncannily good. Second, I think theyre putting Daniel in that AT04 as a benchmark, to see how Yuki is actually doing, because he's had time to grow and develop and now they wanna see if he could drive for them in the main team or to just not extend his contract make room for juniors. Third, if Daniel does manage to wipe the floor with Yuki, they might put him in the main team and put Sergio in that Alpha Tauri to benchmark Yuki once again.
Yeah he's being used as a barometer and not just for his own reward.
Apart from scoring points, the only other thing Nick could have done is have more marketing value. He lacks "hype" character and he did not fit well with Yuki in media events.
Had he scored points it would be less of an issue.
I hope it was down to something less vapid and fickle as media events.
@@LawVS You would hope yes, but if anyone is proof of that it's Ricciardo during and after his McLaren time.
0:45 we have to remember that Maz brought in a lot of money and was in a haas. Nyck is in a “red bull” and a part of the red bull family and they don’t like people who underperform. Good luck to Nyck in FE( i assume he’s going back to FE) and I’m excited to see Daniel and see what he does
I get that but surely Nyck could've had til his home race to do the goods.
@@LawVShe should have, cause i think he is a great talent. again the issue is red bull are you know whats
I am hoping Daniel Ric does well. Also imagine Lance Stroll who is not doing so well in Aston roast De Vries by saying " At least I got more points, got podium and got pole and lasted more than 10 races than De Vries" imagine him saying that.
Touché
At Nyck's age he has no room for improvement, that's why he was let go now. Danny Ric can score points in the alphatauri if Yuki was able to get a few P10 and 11's.
He could've had at least a couple more races, like Marko originally said LAST WEEK.
Great video !
I think, that Red Bull plan is to put Daniel in RB second seat. Why ?
Because if it was only about Alpha Tauri and De Vries, they would do this change in the Summer Break or even after. I think something big is comming 🤯
Yeah. This is a test for Checo as much as one for Daniel.
It's a test for everyone (but Max, lol):
1. for Checo to up his game or risk replacement;
2. for Daniel to prove that he's not washed and can still race at top level;
3. for Yuki to see how he'll stack up against a high caliber driver (even if DR is probably not at his best right now).
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Also for Yuki to step up and improve (his last 5 races have been not good)
Think nyck should’ve had more time. I saw reported that Horner rang marko an hour into the tyre test and said Ricciardo was doing well. Marko supposedly replied by sacking Nyck immediately
He should've had those two more races he was told LAST WEEK.
Cool Video. Much better than any of the large Channels. Also the choice of location for filming is great XD.
Thanks! I try to keep it down to earth. :)
It's ruthlessly harsh on Nyck, but RB have always had a ruthless streak - only before they've not had someone a ready-made reserve to throw in so it makes a harsh kind of sense. Especially as it's zero risk for RB - either Ricciardo does well, in which case have a contract for next year, or nothing changes or he does worse than De Vries [possible considering that AT is only going backwards right now] if so G'day, Mr. Lawson! Just say Ric's past it and keep him on as an ambassador for the marketing pull. It makes way too little sense to be logical, which makes it perfect for RB's driver policy of recent years since... Um... Well, since Ricciardo left. Gasly and Sainz must be thankful they got out when they did! (Meanwhile, Albon's making notes while looking for clauses)
They do have that but it could've waited two more races though!
@@LawVSThe decision was made and they was no point delaying the inevitable. They were waiting for data from Ricciardo's test run from Silverstone and once, it proved satisfactory, the announcement was made then and there.
Whilst it is a shame for Nyck. He was much more prepared than most rookies, he drove 5 different F1 cars last year, and has been a Mercedes driver for 3 years, plus a McLaren junior as far back as 2013.
Personally I'd have put Lawson in. For me it's a case of why keep another team's junior in. When we can put a 22 year old driver who we've sunk millions into, It's not like Lawson's gonna drop them lower in the constructors.
Yeah but that car is a lemon and even Yuki is struggling to get much out of it at this point of the season. It's hard to judge until their upgrades have bedded in
To be honest, it baffled me at the start that it Nyck didn't go to Williams instead. Sure, Logan Sargeant might've been an okay choice at the time (and to be fair, he deserves to have people be a lot more forgiving about his performances as a true rookie), but as someone else pointed out: I feel like things would've been better off if Logan Sargeant were left to 'sizzle' for another season, and they got Nyck in a car he had already driven and even gotten points in. Sure, it's highly likely that NvD would've performed as bad as he did (though I doubt it since at the very least; the AT is surely worse than the Williams car), but at the least he would've been given a better chance at showing his skills off, or being given a lot more leeway compared to being a Merc driver in an RB environment.
I agree that we can't be all too forgiving for Nyck, but I think it's missed potential to at least have tested his first season with Williams than with AT. Plus, having an empty AT seat means Lawson is in, which would've been good.
I have a sneaking suspicion that this move might end up more positive for red bull juniors than expected, but it's all dependent on Checo's and Ricciardo's performances for the remainder of the season. If Checo keeps failing to deliver in quali, and Ricciardo thoroughly smokes yuki, then it's perfectly possible that we may end up with Max - Daniel in RB 2024, and two free seats at Toro Rosso.
Not that I'm saying it's a likely scenario, but Christian Horner has seemingly deliberately created a three way fight for the second Red Bull seat until the end of this season, and the losers are getting the chop. Is Red Bull's pressure cooker about to boil over again? And is it on purpose this time?
Perhaps. If both of them flop, that's two seats opened up.
Too soon. NdV was showing improvement and every chance Yuki blows DR away on track (which might be the point I guess). At this point, the RB Academy feels more like a massively expensive social experiment than a pathway to F1.
Yep, he needed two more races like Helmut originally stated. By Spa no sooner.
I feel bad for Nick, but im also excited for Daniel to be back. As he has a good chance of getting back to Redbull if he is consistently beating Yuki and luckily scoring points to bring Alphtauri to at least 9th or 8th in the constructors.
I can understand why there are mixed emotions. I feel that if they had waited for the summer break, there would be more positive sentiments toward this news.
What I feel is going on is Daniel is there to either evaluate Yuki or show the true potential of alpha tauri. If he blasts past Yuki I think 2024 is Max and Daniel then Liam Lawson will take the next Alpha/ Rosso / whatever seat (until 26 ofc). If the honey badger does not show, then I see Yuki getting the spot in 2024 and Liam taking that remaining seat; Daniel will basically be there as a mentor.
He is. He's there to see what Yuki is doing. If he wastes him, that could be it for Tsunoda getting the RB callup
We’re now pretty aware this was a secondary benefit. It’s more clear than ever Yuki will never be an RBR driver. So, this was much more about Checo’s seat than Yuki.
This could not be explained better, honestly agreed with all points. Great video
Although I do hope that silly season will include a slight swapping of Logey Sarge and De Vries, Honestly I just think is all in the style of driving, and the Alpha Tauri just did not
Suit him what so ever.
Thank you! I feel there's more to come with silly season. I've heard some rumours of Norris replacing Charles at Ferrari, him going to Merc...it's beginning.
IMO RBR is unhappy with the AT squad, which is underperforming at all levels.
The decision to axe Nyck I believe has more to do with strategic decisions regarding the entire team.
Yuki is leading the team at the moment “sort of”…, and RBR higher-ups are unsure if Yuki has made any improvements..,therefore I believe DR is seen to be a good yard-stick to measure both the car and Yuki’s performance to gain a better insight for near future decisions..
I believe there is a lot of pressure on AT to start performing, and that’s why extraordinary steps are taken now. Nyck unfortunately did not perform enough with the 10 races he was given.. and all he had to do was NOT TO CRASH, and to finish either ahead or just behind Yuki.., in which case he obviously failed.
DR however will bring excitement to AT.., I can’t wait to see how he will perform against Yuki..😊
Yeah. It's a general display of a lack of confidence from the higher ups. I feel sorry for them.
I think RB have more problems than meets the eye. Dieter’s passing away was bound to have fallout, and maybe this is just the beginning of that. We dont know whats really happening in the boardrooms.
I dont think Ric-RB was a good idea. Man couldnt let go the RB. Its like its a toxic relationship. Breaking up and reuniting again. I dont think he has the performance anymore. Time will tell. I hope RB doenst lose Tsunoda
I got a bad feeling Yuki may get wasted if Daniel pastes him
@@LawVS noo pls not my lil Yuki😭😭
I had a feeling that the Reb Bull camp picked up DeVries just to deprive other teams of a potential star, just to drop him
Yeah they grabbed him before Williams could.
@@LawVS yeah it's a shame. Hopefully we'll at least see some good racing from Daniel and Yuki, and maybe Nyck could get his chance again should there be some drastic change up amongst the team orders in the near future
At the end of the day, it really is "drive to survive" and F1 is absolutely ruthless. I would have given Nyck until the summer break at the very least. But you can make the argument that he is 28 and has driven for 5 F1 teams in different circumstances before, so he isn't a rookie entirely. That combined with that he was indeed a shiny toy Marko bought in a whim (before the old shining toy with good memories linked to it aka Ricciardo), this is what you get.
For Red Bull they can get a lot out of this move:
- the marketing of bringing a beloved face back into F1
- accessing Dannys current driving capabilities
- putting pressure on Yuki to prove himself against an established name
- putting pressure in Cheko to improve or get the boot at the end of the season.
Absolutely ruthless, yes, but such is competition at the very top.
All that being said, it will be interesting to see how good Danny really is in 2023 in what is currently a bottom 3 car. I like him as much as the next guy, but the fact of a matter is he hasn't been a top driver in a top car since 2017/18. Max clearly outclassed him at the end. His Renault stint wasn't bad but definitely also not what he set out to do. And he failed badly at McLaren and was now out of the game for some time, even if it was just 6 months. If the simulator times are anything to go by, he was also clearly off pace with Max and Cheko. The later might struggle at the moment, but he can still win races and make recovery runs from P15 into the top 5. Danny will have to not only match but surpass that if he wants that 2nd Red Bull seat in the long run. I already see people talking about Danny possibly challenging Max for the title in 2024, I doubt it will be such a cake walk.
And I hope de Vries does continue to shine in other racing series, he clearly isn't bad.
Oh yes, Nyck was a temporary stopgap, but he was also a driver they hired to drive and he was doing that to the best of his ability with the tools he had. Recieving constant negative sentiments from your manager, a car which is at the back solidly and media vitriol, it's kinda hard to focus which all leads to any drivers' downfall. Which is what probably consigned Latifi to the exit in 2022 too. Red Bull made the logical choice, but it was an impatient one.
I dont see danny ric staying longer than this season unless:
- checo fully drops the ball, either danny and Yuki gets promoted, lawson replaces the promotee
or
- danny destroys yuki, yuki gets dropped and Lawson gets in replacing yuki
I think come 2024, lawson gets an AT seat, he did alright in f2, came pretty good in the end and is now already in the fight for the SF title
The fact he's even there is a wake-up call for Checo and not much more.
I for one think its a genius move by Marko.
Putting Riccardo in Alpha Tauri has lit a fire under all of the drivers (Except Max).
- Riccardo is going to want to prove that hes worthy of getting back to Red Bull.
- Tsunoda is going to want to prove that he is worthy to move up to Red Bull.
- Perez is going to want to prove that he is worthy to stay in Red Bull.
All three drivers are going to he working HARD for the rest of this season.
Yeah but it shouldn't have to be this way. Drivers should be motivated without a massive honey badger placed between their nether regions.
@@LawVS that's the Red Bull pressure cooker at its finest
I know F1 and RB in particular is cut throat, but I couldn't imagine having to skin alive someone else's opportunity just to steal a seat for myself. I'm happy to have Ric back but the way he came back... leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Hope it works out for him, truly.
We all know how it when when Danny Ric was in RB challenging Max... RB doesn't want someone to actually challenge their #1 & I don't blame 'em.
Yeah, I bet Red Bull are like: "What? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!"
Helmut Marko is a ruthless manager and with an experienced driver like DeVries, he thought that he should have come in and AT LEAST matched his teammate, which he hasn't. They're also grooming Dani Ric to replace Perez.
There's also a possibility that hiring DeVries was way to snatch a potential good driver from the midfield teams.
It's a shame he didn't get to race his home race at least.
I feel sorry for Nyck, it must be so difficult to focus on doing well given all the things Helmut had been saying about him for the past two months.
Exactly. Every race is another jibe and then the media constantly digs too
Its a smart move,on one hand you see if Yuki can rise up & maybe get the 2nd rbr seat & at the same time the same for Daniel.Also if Daniel does well,finishing above Yuki then Yuki is forced to drive better & at the same time its a message to Perez that his seat isnt secured,also a big marketing move so all in all its a great move by RedBull.Btw Lawson is doing well in SF so it makes 0 sense to take him to AT now,next season its a must but for now let Liam grow.
I get it but it could've waited a couple more races.
@@LawVS after Spa yes it would be the right time,who know the full reason i dou t we will find out the full story ,Perez fans should be scared cause a conspiracy theory is Perez has the next 2 races to bounce back or else he is in the AT or even worse as a 3rd driver at Rbr(dunno who would replace him),still something must have gone wrong for them to chance a driver now before the summer break.
The P1 guys said it pretty well, i believe. Nyck is 28 years old and despite being a rookie, is older than most drivers on the grid. Unfortunately, he doesnt have the luxury of time like Yuki did in order to demonstrate his abilities and maintain redbull's faith. It seems as though they are setting up for either Yuki or Danny to replace Checo depending on who performs better in the upcoming races.
Of course but it would've been fairer to stick to the summer break before ditching him.
It's like a bandaid, the slower you pull it, the more it hurts. As a Dutchie I would have loved for de Vries to make it in F1 but he just wasn't what was promised. With his age and past experience he just doesn't have the trajectory that some of the others could have and with him underperforming like this, this does seem like the right choice to me.
From his point of view I get why he choice Alpha Tauri but with the team severely underperforming and the pressure from RedBull being at an all time high it really was not the right choice for him. Would've been much better if he would've gotten a seat at Williams. The pressure would've been much lower and he would've had much more time to get up to speed.
This choice of going for Alpha Tauri have probably ruined him for life because I don't see another team (ever) picking him up again.
Yeah. He should've waited for Williams to reach out perhaps.
Tsunoda is at best the 13th best driver on the grid
So Ricciardo has to beat him, in order to show he is still a top half of the grid talent
I think he will, Red Bull must have seen something very encouraging to sign him up the same DAY
I think Yuki could do better with better equipment. If Yuki can step up and not allow Daniel to beat him, that might cement his career in F1 for the medium term.
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Thing is, we’ve seen Tsunoda is not as good as Gasly, who isn’t that great to begin with
Rookies like Piastri blow him out of the water
The only reason I think it made sense to discard DeVries so soon was because the pressure on him was different than other Rookies. First, he did a great job last year in the Williams but not only that, he's an FE champions and an F2 champion. He was a reserve driver for Mercedes, I think it was required from him to be as close with Tsunoda. Nobody expected him to beat Tsunoda or score points, but out of 10 races he DNF'ed twice because he crashed. From his results with a best of 12th and an average finish position of 16th and Tsunoda with an average finish position of 13th it's no wonder RB is choosing to change. Now, could they have waited until the end of the season? Perhaps, but they're probably trying not to finish last and risking losing tons of money in the process. All in all I think it was the right decision I honestly didn't think he was really worth the hassle of putting in the AT, there was a reason why he wasn't picked up for F1 earlier and it shows
Even if they waited two more races that would've made more sense.
One thing that was pointed out yesterday on AT's twitter was them posting a photodump of Yuki and Nyck at Silverstone, only for 3 hours later for Daniel to be announced. No bye from Nyck or anything. It's ruthless. Marko and his RB Junior Program are a farce and it sucks this is Hartley all over again. I am excited but also worried for Ricciardo.
Also...
YENSON MY FRIEND
😂 That tweet was so cruel of them...also showed that it was impulsive on Marko's part. Not even the social media team knew!
the difference between nyck and mazepin is that nyck was racing under the “redbull branch” of teams whilst mazepin was in haas. Haas who, up to then, were pretty much last, compared to redbull that expect the best of their drivers 24/7. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a bit harsh yes, but there isn’t anything wrong or out of step with the usual redbull antics.
Nyck didn't have the RB stable backing him. He was a stopgap who might have been dropped anyway if Lawson was ready.
3:10 Insert that one Toy Story 2 meme: "I don't want to play with you anymore."
Jokes aside, it's a shame Nyck didn't last even till the summer break. I'm very happy that Ricciardo is back on the grid but I'm obviously keeping my expectations tempered since that car is the slowest. I have heard others speculate that perhaps Red Bull pulled this move so quickly was to pressure Checo due to his unfortunate string of performances. If that is indeed why they did it, I'm torn about that since I like both Checo and Danny.
Absolutely. This was obviously one of Marko's worst decisions and he wanted to get rid of it and forget it ever happened.
Red Bull's driver lineup and media shenanigans have made me basically never want to support them, starting the second there was friction in the driver lineups after Seb left in 2015 (i know it was IN 2014 but you know what i mean). I'll go to my deathbed feeling like Nyck only made so many mistakes because he KNEW that the current situation would happen if he didn't perform. Keyword "knew", at this point it wasn't even a question of if this "could" happen.
All the best to Daniel, but I do feel like he will be slower than Tsunoda at first and possibly only level pegging with him by the end of the season.
I feel like he regretted his choice when the media basically turned on him and listened to his manager more than him. Shame.
Great takes, great humour, great channel. Keep it up please:)
I shall do, Tsw!
Nyck's exit, and their announcement about how Daniel would have made front row is a warning shot against Checo, who didn't make front row.
Yeah, if Daniel can get regular Q2 slots and Checo keeps fumbling qualifying, then it's gonna look more and more shaky.
Honestly I think a lot of it uas to do with nyck already being older than a lot of the rising stars currently in f1. Also I think when he was first signed he talked a big game and brought high expectations onto himself. When I compare his interviews to other rookies there's a level of arrogance opposed to humbleness or thankfulness.
As for Daniel, Super happy he's going to be back on the grid. Regardless of where he ends up I'm happy the car won't be as booty next year. Yuki's been very solid this season and I hope with Daniel joining it'll only make him stronger. It felt like yuki and DeVries didn't have good chemistry and hopefully Daniel fixes that.
True, he may have tried too hard and overspoke which gave Marko a lot of hope...and it all fell apart. All parties were at fault here, it was just a major mismatch
if this was another rookie i would think it's mad.
but dev got the drive because of his experience in FE and F2, at 28 years old that he would hit the ground running and be good off the bat.
he knew what he was getting himself into being in the red bull system and he HAD to perform at the very least on par with yuki, there were no real signs of improvement and it was a disaster every weekend.
if he was 19 or 20 like yuki then yeah it would make sense to keep him around for a few years to develop but he isnt, he is nearly 30 and he knew he wasnt getting the same time as yuki.
I get his age but he could've done with two more races before ditching him right?
Just saying, Redbull decided to sign a 4 yr reserve driver after watching a single race where he had a car that was always going to do well. Meanwhile, De Vries decided to sign with the team known to be a pressure cooker, while also saying he didn’t want to be called a rookie because he’s an FE, F2, and Formula Renault Championship that’s 28
Exactly. That was the wrong choice at the time but they should've lived with their choice for the duration of the contract OR AT LEAST until the summer break.
I think I'm way missing something. About Ricardo. I used to love F1. Stopped in highschool when vettel was omnipotent. I came back because of Drive to Survive.
And I just don't understand why Ricardo is so loved? It just felt like to me he left red bull because of Max. And then kinda just faffed around at Renault and McLaren. And didn't McLaren end up paying him to not drive the car? And just glancing at his wiki, it doesn't look tHAt impressive. 232 races, 32 podium, 8 wins. 1311 points. Comparing that to Checos,
249 races, 31 podiums, 6 wins, 1351 points. So pretty close, but almost everyone it seems wants Ricardo in and checo out.
I'm not trying to hate. I am legitimately curious what people see that I'm missing.
Ricciardo is so loved because of his charm off-track and also kinda down to him being the "main character" of DTS since the first season. He got the most screentime in the earlier seasons so people were more exposed to his antics.
I also think that 4 of Perez his wins came in the best car on the grid and mostly when Max had a bad weekend(not all). While Ricciardo never had the most dominant car in his time at RBR so I think most of his wins are more impressive. Not saying Perez didn't have to work for them btw.
Let's say there's a team that for 10 years straight has a car that's 1 second a lap quicker than the rest of the field which means that they finish 1-2 almost every race, and in those 10 years there's someone that can grab a few wins off of them then I'm more impressed by those wins than the big number of wins from the dominant car drivers.
RB knows Daniel isn’t going to do much at Alpha Tauri but they are getting a lot of attention from it.
Cynical, but not inaccurate.
I do feel bad for Nyck, but no one forced him to sign that contract and if you saw DTS and just the general media hype at the time everyone expected Nyck to destroy Yuki and become the leader of that team! Nyck himself even stated he didn't want the expectations of a "rookie" and expected to become the lead driver. Don't get me wrong Red Bull are absolute savages and the youth program is kind of in shambles but seeing how the exact opposite turned out for Nyck he has no one to blame but himself for setting such a high bar and not even remotely come close to it
It's down to how Marko bigged him up but he made a mistake hiring him without proper due diligence. One race and boom. That was it. 🤔
No one's talking about if Daniel can't make that Alpha Tauri perform. What then? So many drivers get hyped and don't deliver on their return.
Also,
Daniel: "Can't wait to pick up where I left off" then immidiately gets mowed down by max again
that's what I'm worried about.
To be honest I kinda expected DeVries to be out early if he did not perform Helmut Marko did that to many drivers. Kvyat drip him out in replace of Verstappen after Russia. Gasly was replaced by Albon after his disastrous first 12 races In Redbull, Albon was replaced by Perez at the end of 2020, and now with DeVries that is how Marko is, and if Ricciardo and Tsunoda if one of them didn't perform they might be out. It is the Helmut Marko way it seems.
At least with Kvyat he got to stay at Toro Rosso for a little while. I felt like Nyck could've had two more races to let their upgrades fully settle in.
Plot twist: The AT is actually not that bad but Yuki is much worse than everybody thinks.
Not impossible. And RBR needs a benchmark before they start their closer partnership next year.
I would doubt that at present BUT if there are new upgrades coming that are closer to the Red Bull car or the 2024 is a more carbon copy of the RB20, then perhaps.
From what I’ve heard about ricciardo’s time on the sim is that because the mclaren was so counterintuitive to drive he had picked up some bad habits. That’s why redbull said that he was so bad in the beginning. Not sure if all of it is true but he should have unlearned those habits by now
It's a quick resurgence though and only serves to state that there needs to be one uniform mouthpiece for Red Bull.
To be honest though, I didn't like Nyck and he put a lot of pressure on himself with the interview he did when he came into formula one.
Drive To Survive Season 5 Episode 8 15:25. This is him giving an interview after getting signed and it's what he says.
Interviewer: "What are you going to bring to Alpha Tauri Next season?"
Nyck: "I believe a bit of maturity. Yuki is super entertaining for all of us. I'm not sure if I should trust whatever he teaches me. And I'm not sure if it's wise to repeat or replicate the actions."
Even if it is just joking I don't know that it was the best time to throw some jabs at your new teammate when you get announced as a driver for the team.
I suppose so, but as we saw with Oscar and Logan this year, you need time to find your feet before you can let your personality shine through and people see you for your true self. Even Daniel seemed a little awkward at first and when he got the results, he transformed into the Daniel we know now. Nyck never got to pupate into the proper de Vries.
Grid is better with Ricciardo still here, can’t wait for his redemption arc just like Alex 😁
I get what you mean, but I just wish it was done in less messy circumstances.
Could it be that this is just a precursor for Daniel replacing Checo? Daniel would just need to show that he hasn’t lost his skills. The combination of Max and Daniel was the best one for Red Bull in years, and Daniel probably settles for second driver in the winning team by now.
Could possibly be. But this is a terrible mind game if it is.
They didn’t even give Nyck a chance to race at his home race….. Red Bull as harsh as ever
Yep, just another example of being careful about where you lay your coat.
I feel like the summer break is the perfect time for a mid-season driver change, don't know why they didn't wait 2 more races. It isn't that inportant but anyways
Yeah that's the natural time to do it.
Christian Horner actually said in an interview that his time would have got him on the front row of the grid. Regards of tyres conditions ect.
I don't believe that fully since tyre compounds, weather conditions were different to the weekend. You can't quantify them. Also, the revealed times implied P8 instead of the front row, so maybe he was good enough for a chance at AT...but we shall see.
Well really depends on expectations. Nick was expected to be better than Yuki. Although I personally think even older drivers need time to adjust when switching series, that’s not what Alpha Tauri wanted. I mean Romain Grosjean still hasn’t won a race at Indy and Marcus Ericsson took a few seasons to get good. So not sure why Redbull who to be fair with Bourdais, Hartley and now DeVries are the only ones that give older drivers a chance at F1 expected anything.
Perez though having too many low patches was better than Albon and Gasly who came to Redbull too soon. They might be disappointed in Daniel, and Lawson has been waiting for too long. I think slowly they might sell their team. Their Junior program is now just a paid academy, where the drivers pay to be a part of it, why we don’t have anyone genuinely whining in that anymore.
The thing is is that AT04 wasn't really good enough to give a good benchmark for either driver. All they could is TRY to get a point or two here or there and just survive as other cars fell away...but they didn't.
It's unfortunate DeVries won't get a proper chance to prove himself. The AlphaTauri car (arguably) isn't in great shape and while I hope Danny's performance can improve over what we last saw at McClaren... Who knows!
To be fair, I can't say I believe in Yuki's ability to not lose his temper and self sabotage.
Checo is getting by on the skin of his teeth and isn't going to last long if Red Bull can get someone more consistent to go P2 behind Max.
Danny is a fan favorite, I'm happy to see him back, let's just hope he can swing it!
Yeah, Nyck didn't get a better car to flex with. If he had the Williams he might have had better luck.
6:16 yeah but obviously the team saw the data after the fact and thought he was good enough. Some say it was a good enough lap for the front row last weekend. Now if that was on a harder tire or equal tire, that would be a good indicator.
I will say it rained after the gp, so he went into a green track, and it was very cloudy that day.
Mick’s simulator work has been hailed by Toto, Lewis and George….you aren’t seeing him mid season replacing Logan. Sim work means nothing.
There’s way more to this than just Nyck and Daniel. Dieter passing away has meant a huge shuffle of power in the boardroom and I believe Helmut is under pressure to go. Nyck has been a very unfortunate casualty. And dont for one moment think this is guaranteed to be good for Daniel. This could be the nail in his F1 career coffin.
Oh I don't want him to replace Logan for the time being. He's doing a good job learning and Williams is teaching him well.
And yes, I bet there's pressure from the new RB chief which MIGHT explain why Marko has made these erratic calls as of late.
I think that this is Red Bull putting pressure on Checo. If he continues to under preform in the RB19, Red Bull may put the better driver between Daniel and Yuki in the Red Bull #2 seat then have the other be the senior driver to Lawson next year at Alpha Tori or whatever they rename it as.
Indeed so. It's a two pronged tactic.
he is 28 though, and since he didn't came in and immediately and start performing he got dropped, redbull just ruthless
Even just two more races would've been fair enough as Marko said LAST WEEK
Good luck to Danny for dragging that tractor till the end of season and if Yuki out perform then its better to retire at this point 😂
If he can't make that tractor slide into regular points finishes, it'll make the whole thing look like a bad decision.
I think Danny Ric is in place to see if he can replace Checo. I can see Danny Ric potentially getting booted at the end of the season (as he’s not a ‘red bull driver’) and then have yuki and Liam Lawson in for 2024
Of course, he's there to dangle 2025 in front of Checo.
Maybe ford had some input on this? Their partnering up with red bull soon and red bull has a history of letting their partners influence their driver line ups (yuki and honda). Maybe ford wanted somebody in the system that has a big pressence in the states to make this venture a bigger deal for fords marketing efforts
I hope it's more than a name thing. It's got no connection to their heritage.
@@LawVS overall I think it's not a great look to ditch nyck so soon but I just don't what could be accomplished by letting nyck keep going. He never really made much sense for alpha tauri when they hired him anyways. I was pretty perplexed by that hire.
Atleast daniel can serve a purpose of testing and pushing yuki harder. Daniel and yuki were anyways Sergio's two biggest threats for his seat. So maybe this is about red bull putting all it's players at the table and letting them sort it out themselves.
You forgot Vettel, spent many years at Red Bull. The Red Bull programme has produced more excellent racers in the past 15 years than anything else
Oh yeah, Sebastian is one of their crowning achievements but it was in the late 00s/early 2010s when the programme REALLY got going.
I kinda want to hear from everyone’s opinions on nyck and if anyone thinks he will ever get back in f1 I feel 10 races just isn’t enough time to see his potential
His best option is Williams right now but even then that's not supremely likely.
@@LawVS I feel like Williams has a pretty solid line up I feel he should of just signed with them last year it would of been a more positive environment but I understand why he would go to alpha tauri anyone would but yeah I hope this isn’t the last we see of him
It's not about Nyck's performance. If I'm to speculate, it has something to do with investors (whose friends with Helmut) getting back at Nyck after that loan debacle.
Hmm, i thought that got resolved a while back. This is just to wipe clean Marko's impulsive choice.
The rumors are Yuki will be pulled to Aston by Honda, and if Daniel doesn't preform this year, liam will be put in the car in 2024, and if not he'll be put in 2025
Yeah, the Yuki/Honda thing makes sense and he is a fan of Fernando so him being his teammate would be awesome.
@LawVS agreed. Also apparently part of putting Daniel in the car is to get new sponsors for next year, since the car will no longer get be alphatauri
Given he was starting to make improvements i dont understand why they took him away so soon. I get that Nyck is 28 and didnt want to be treated as a rookie etc. Maybe they got too excited after they saw the times Danny was putting in with the RB19 given we heard his best time was enough for a front row at Silverstone. Feel bad for Nyck but im also excited for Danny
I understand if it was a bad arrangement but he could've had at least two more races or until Zandvoort so he could race at his home.
Man I’m loving this channel
I feel like everyone is forgetting that the alpha tauri is the worst car on the grid. Everyone is too caught up with the fact that he’ll be back next race to realize he might not preform and probably get beat by Yuki
Exactly. You can't judge Daniel yet. Next year is better since they're going to a closer design to Red Bull.
I dont really agree with all the "oh, he should been given more time" folks, atleast in this particular case.
De vries was brought into the redbull fold to perform immediately from the get go and provide a benchmark for Tsunoda. Red bull were never going to pull him through that rookie development curve in F1. If they were willing to do that, they would have gone with one of the own junior drivers, say lawson.
Unfortunately for De vries, Tsunoda wiped the floor with him and by Austria the decision to sack him was already made, even though it was formally announced after Riccardo's trial run in the redbull in Silverstone. So, why delay the inevitable, Riccardo gets more races to adapt to the dumpster fire of a car and De vries can potentially start looking for other opportunities.
However, I totally dont condone the manner in which De vries was treated in Alpha tauri as if set up for failure. The public insults from the eccentric austrian AKA Dr.Marko was unnecessary and uncalled for. In the end, it was De vries's decision to choose Alpha tauri (Knowing red bull's history and their lust for immediate results with drivers) over much more safe and stable options like williams.
The writing on the wall for Nyck was evident around Spain and I had a feeling he'd be gone by the summer break, which is in two race's time...surely it could've waited three weeks perhaps?
Ricardo is ABSOLUTELY A COMMODITY!!! If it's one thing Red Bull knows how to do, it's marketing. That's why they have a F1 team and an International Spanish Rap Battle league because they know what's going to sell and that trash clothing line isn't going to move units without a face to push it before the rebranding. How many reserve drivers do that much marketing for their team? He's just a commodity, and if Nyck Devris isn't pushing hats and shirts in p20 and p19, then Daniel Ricardo will. He has everyone pissing themselves just to see him in the worst car on the grid. That's money. Let's face it AT isn't mounting a comeback from 10th place when 9th place has 5× the points. They might as well, sell some DR3 hats, and cut that check.
Yeah he's being used to paper over the issues with the car and get more eyes on them in a positive way
Pressure is on Daniel now lets see how he does, also if he finishes ahead of Perez in any race I think thats the nail in the coffin for him
If Checo still struggles and Daniel's not far behind in Q2...
Not a single Red Bull junior at the F2/F3 level will ever reach F1, they will probably also be thrown out of the program after this year, considering Red Bull wants to significantly reduce the amount of drivers in the program, only RB drivers that have F1 potential is Linblad and Deligny, no one should feel bad for drivers in the RB Program they know what they sign up for, and if you aren't among the best you won't get into F1, what happens when they get into F1 that’s a different discussion.
Lawson, Iwasa and Hauger look good though. Surely one of those guys should get a go...either that or don't keep hiring half heartedly.
@@LawVSLawson is in SF so he was excluded as he
Is out the junior ranks, that’s real professional racing, he is super adaptable to any machinery and could def get to F1, Iwasa is too inconsistent and Hauger is just not good enough.
Nyck is not performing, and it was delaying the inevitable to keep him.
Max does not want another #1 driver next to max, but they do want another #1 driver in the future Toro Rosso car
Daniel does not to score points, he needs to beat Yuki.
Daniel scored a time that would have got him in the top four on much much harder tyres.
This was the right move and frankly I hope William’s pick Nyck up again.
Joe Seward F1 reporter witnessed Daniel beating times Checo scored and he is much closer to Max.
AT04 will be moved to be closer to the RB, Daniel is one of the best drivers to develop cars
Bottom line Nyck should have taken up the William’s drive
He definitely should've gone to Williams and Williams should've been more on it securing him.
Danny Ric just has to hold on to the AT seat till next season when they start using more Red Bull parts, i don't expect much this season from him in that car.
I think this is the long term plan. See what Daniel can do in the RB20 Junior and then go from there. Midseason swap with Checo next year?
This may be crazy to say but if daniel gets in the point (like 8th or 7th) for the next two races and checo keeps missing Q3 and missing the podium. Daniel may switch with checo during the summer break. This would be crazy tho
Definitely. If Daniel is close in the slowest car to Checo if he keeps mucking up Qualifying that's a slam dunk.
Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.
Yeah this is a sticky situation.
Even if he would have only gotten p8, that’s still a significant improvement from p16…
I suppose but I bet Marko's expecting more than that...even though the actual car is not capable of much more.
The Red Bull engineers are the ones that mentioned Dans time based on the tyres he was on and the green track that he would have been second quickest apparently. It’s not the actual time but the adjusted time taking into account the conditions of the track and tyres etc. Who knows really. 🤷♂️
Exactly, we don't have a definite laptime to go off of since there are many different sources.
For Red Bull, drivers are organic matter AI robots. They are like pawns that you move around.
That's sad.
What should they have done with De Vries in the car? Ricciardo is a master and he can even inherit the place from perez in 2024!
Keep him for at least another two races. If Daniel fumbles it, there will be a month of media speculation about whether he's the right choice or not
@@LawVS yeah, but that would have been forced. This would have been like saying you will go to the dentist in two days anyway so you Hit your own cheeks for the next two days
Im hoping Daniel regains his peak form because F1 is a better sport when he's on the grid!
I feel it's possible as some of the best drivers can be off their game in machinery out of their wheelhouse.
Danny Ric impression is wild bravo
People give Danny Ric too much of a pass for being 'le funny guy' and any other driver wouldn't have gotten away with making such a comeback.
It was just a perfect opportunity for Red Bull to both sack De Vries and torture Checo simultaneously
Yeah that's why I'm so torn.
you saying the old junior drivers leaving the team is a bad thing… but the point of the program was to get them in f1… and where carlos, alex, pierre, daniel are all now back in f1
redbull has been an efficient meat grinder for f1 drivers
True but it's the manner of how they leave. Gasly left after being kept on hold for too long. They strang Carlos along too. It's just their attitude that I don't like.
I don't feel bad for nyck. He had 6 months. And I think redbull did him a solid by offering him a drive.
Yes someone losing their job is not something good. But I have no sympathy
They didn't offer casually. This was like an impulse buy and Marko is regretting it. Irresponsible.
I don't think it was all Nyck's fault, it's preparing for replacing Checo. Riccardo was faster than Lando around Silverstone & next year RB will probably need every point while Max might need a tail gunner
Yeah Nyck was a pawn easily discarded
Re Riccardo's lap time. No team was going to wear out their engines for a Parelli tyre test. Marko was evidently talking about sim times.
Re AT underperforming, I can easily imagine that some RB know-how might find its way from Danny's head into the AT car. Another reason for Danny to get the seat instead of Lawson, who would have traditionally gotten it.
I’m sorry, this was harsh, but he did it to himself. Nyck should have taken the Williams seat, he wouldn’t have been expected to beat Albon and it was recognisable machinery, but he thought he was too good to be a Williams driver, gambled everything on red (get it), and lost hard. Yes, if this has worked and he was smashing Yuki week in week out, it would be a very different discussion, however, he gambled, he lost.
Agreed. He and his agent should've said no and Capito should've been faster in securing him. It was a mismatch. Maybe this is why Marko is so against Mick, as he'd be another Mercedes refugee.
Here's an Idea, since you've mentioned him and I love your what if's on the masakoX channel, how about a "What if Sebastian Vettel Came Back?"
Maybe, I'll put that in my notes.
I feel he would have more to lose if he were to wait for next year. Liam Lawson IMHO is planned for 2024 to get the 2nd position in AlphaTauri. Now RB will test Tsunoda against Daniel and decide on the 2nd seat in RB between these two and Sergio. Daniel is betting his future now of course. If he succeeds he proves himself and has a chance for a drive in RB or in another team (maybe also Alpha Tauri if they indeed plan to revamp the team for next year). If he fails it will be the end of him.
All this does for me is make me feel less confident that Yuki will survive into 2024. If Daniel wipes the floor with him (which is possible) then Yuki could be ditched and Liam put in alongside Daniel. Having said that, Honda might look to stick Yuki into Aston as a reserve at least.
@@LawVS I believe for numerous reasons RB like Yuki and he will be safe. After all he has improved so much this year. It is said that RB wants to support him to promote him eventually to the RB seat for the long term and if Daniel will be better they will just leave him for another one or two years in AT to improve. But with RB one can never be certain of course. They have proven to be ruthless towards their drivers so many times.
Daniel's gonna get major nostalgia to his Marussia days
Hispania , I think you mean
@@LawVS yes thats it. i always get marussia,, hrt and caterham mixed up
No, I don;'t think this was too fast, I think they gave him goals he did not meet. But he was given this risk. he is 28, he was already a world champion, he shoulder have driven better and communicated better.
I would have given him the first race, and a test race to see if he fits, and then already kick him out. which is harsh, but we're talking about an experienced driver.
I could or probably am wrong lol
I just think its better to leave quick if you're not meeting redbulls.... requierments, its better to do that, then to stick and fail harder.
I also think he could use the summer break to find something better for him. instead of waiting the entire summer KNOWING you are going to be cut out. which feels worse.
They could've waited at least two more races though 💀
@@LawVS true.... true
but someone made a comment about how he technically... had done more races
he had driven Mercedese cars for a while, or training. I don't know the name for it, so it was not like most drivers where they would need to get into pace. he already had the experience neccecary to start strong.