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In my opinion joss Whedon and to an extent alan taylor really were the only two new how to make diva bad guy loki entertaining without have to make him a joke and still gave him character and a personality
I'm still trying to figure out how Loki has superhuman strength but now he can't beat a mere human in a grocery store. All the sudden he's running around getting his ass kicked by random people and his IQ dropped like 50 points. I remember thinking how the hell did he get here. What have you done Disney. Put our Loki back right now
Im so disappointed that Micheal Waldron is writing avengers secret wars. I’m convinced this man has something on Kevin feige to keep getting hired because he is literally THE WORST part of any marvel project he has worked on. Anyways, great work on the video!!
lol i remember Loki being my most anticipated Marvel show but it ended up being my least favourite for pretty much everything you said. Marvel played our asses, that’s not our Loki 😂
Completely agree. For a long while Loki has been my favourite chararcter in the MCU and the only reason why I even got into it in the first place. I was very excited to watch the Loki series but also completely stumped by what they did to the character - he definitely did NOT behave like Loki at all. It wasn't a bad series by any means but this is legitimately a different character altogether. This Loki was just too nice, not cunning enough, barely used his magic and didn't behave like Loki would have in any of the previous movies. It was just entirely baffling. I would be fine with this nice version of Loki if they actually showed us the transition to how his character grew and developed but he behaves like this right from episode 1. It was a huge shame and so much wasted potential
I have to share my own opinion and say that I thought the reason why he was like this was because of the “wake up call” he got when seeing his life flash before his eyes. That’s enough for you to change your ways or even question your ways. I don’t believe he changed from the first episode. I think it was a gradual thing. Again just my opinion. I thoroughly enjoyed the writing for this show and they wrote Loki in such a deep, emotional, complex way.
I also think Loki has always been such a complex, layered character- and the “inconsistency” that’s being referred to here - I think- is the MCU portraying that complexity really well
Late, but.. I agree. Loki acted so out of character, it was crazy. Also the inconsistencies are wild, so many plot holes and Loki isn’t even the main part of his OWN series! He became the side character and was barely moving the plot. Sure, things happened to Loki but he didn’t make any decisions that would make a big change to the plot in any sort of way. Also I hated the Sylvie x Loki ship. It was so one sided! Everytime Loki expressed his feelings to Sylvie, she either looks uncomfortable or is weirded out. She treated him like absolute trash! And the fact that Sylvie is just another version of Loki is just… Gross! They portray Loki as narcissistic which isn’t true at all! Sure, he is arrogant but it’s been shown multiple times that it was all just a facade and that he doesn’t think very highly of himself. The writers keep putting the excuse of “They’re not the same!” But at the same time, they say that “Self love is important” and Loki falling in love with Sylvie will make him learn to love himself or some shit I don’t know! Also, going back to a previous point. The inconsistencies and plot holes are CRAZY, also the people working at the TVA are complete morons. Like.. The guy working at the desk doesn’t know what a tesseract or infinity stone is! You’re telling me that someone who works at the MOST POWERFUL FORCE IN THE GODDAMN MULTIVERSE DOESN’T KNOW WHAT AN INFINITY STONE OR TESSERACT IS? Also, not to mention that the WRITER TWEETED THAT HE DID NOT WATCH A SINGLE MOVIE WITH LOKI IN IT! That’s why he was so out of character!! Yeah, so that is my rant. Thanks if you read it all. I’m bad at explaining stuff so if you don’t understand anything that I said, I can try explaining it better.. PTG Reviews has a good video explaining all of the flaws. I reccomend checking it out.
The more I watch Infinity War the more I dislike it. They really made Loki die like a chump. In Ragnarök Thor tells Loki he could be so much more than *just* the God of mischief, but because Loki dies almost right after he says that we never get to see that come to fruition. In Ragnarök I really wanted to see what Loki ruling Asgard looked like. What did the people think of him? What did he think of the people? Apparently he didn't think very highly of them because he was 1000% willing to let them die at the hands of his sister. Did he ever get homesick on Sakaar? He talks about staying there and overthrowing the grandmaster, but he learned the security codes to all the spaceships, so was he planning on leaving at some point? There are so many layers there that should have been dissected but they never were. Also, for someone who's a master of magic he almost never uses it. What a waste.
He became the ‘God of Time/Stories.’ The only part of the show that did him *ANY* justice. But still doesn’t change the fact that he lost his personality. 😢
Actually, for Avengers exists a deleted scene where it is heavily implied how Loki was influenced. He telephatically talks to the Other in that scene. It's on RUclips. Also, in one scene it almost seems like Thor managed to snap Loki out of this state and it seems like he actually for the first time realizes what he did, but then he stabs Thor.
Even in the movie you can see how injured Loki is before we even see anyone land a hit on him. Meaning those injuries had to come before he made it to Earth. Also theres that whole scene where everyone is in the room with the scepter and their emotions go aggressive real quick, to the point bruce grabs the scepter without remembering how. And none of the Avengers put 2 and 2 together.
Let's just say that characters are allowed to be complex and change over time. He can be evil in the past and not so evil and then maybe do some more evil stuff again and then decide he wants to not do that anymore. For some reason the MCU thinks that audiences would be super confused by this?? I for one like the complex weird little dude.
Well, he also wanted to rule Asgard without rising suspicion, but yes! I'm sure that was also a huge perk. I think that move from Loki was absolutely genius. 2 birds, 1 stone.
@@skulliebythesea exactly. Plus, I feel like if he wasn’t hiding from Thanos he would have no reason to impersonate Odin. Loki is a validation seeking egotist, so of course he would want everyone to know that he beat Odin and is king now. Nice vid!
Yeah, without Odin being there, Thanos would eat Thor, Heimdal and Loki for breakfast and save Asgard for lunch. That's why Loki was disguised as Odin to make Thanos believe that he is really dead because of the dark elves and Asgard is still under Odin's protection.
Had to pause watching this video to say how insanely good your analysis of Ragnarok in relation to Loki's character is! I've always loved the movie, and Loki in it, and watching this video made me realise it's not just because I love the humour of it - it's because, as you say, once you accept the movie for what it is tonally, Loki is still SO Loki in it and I LOVE that :) Edit: also completely agree with you on TDW - that did SO much for Thor and Loki's relationship, and if you don't have that escape scene in the ship between them, I don't think their relationship in Ragnarok would have worked half as well - the comedy between them would perhaps have felt as though it came out of nowhere, and could have been too jarring if we'd seen no interaction like that previously.
With the Asgard spaceship scene, we only see the end of the fight, using his own body was probably his last resort. He probably did try something else but it wasn’t enough for Thanos (this was before the Loki series where he gained the major boost in powers that you’re talking about).
It’s like saying, it isn’t in character for Thor to be defeated “so easily” after he stopped needing his hammer. He probably wasn’t defeated easily, it’s just that Thanos with his men are extremely powerful.
This is a fair assessment. It's definitely possible that he tried everything, including his powers, or perhaps he was just really tired and had no more strength, BUT EVEN SO... I feel like it would be way more in Loki's character when he's backed against a wall to talk himself out of a situation versus using brute force.
@@skulliebythesea he wasn’t going to abandon Thor, and there was no way for anyone to convince Thanos to walk away without a stone, this was the only outcome. It IS in character, as much as Loki envied Thor, deep down he has always loved his brother and family. And after Thor Ragnarok, Loki kinda became a hero. Sacrificing himself for just a slim chance to kill Thanos was the perfect end to his character arc.
@@AgarioGameplays who's to say he would abandon Thor? Joining Thanos to get more information and use that information to help Thor in the long-run is WAY more in character for Loki. He's patient and plays the long game always.
@@skulliebythesea there was no more useful information to learn, if this had taken place before Thanos started his quest then yeah, he could have warned the avengers and that actually would have been useful because they would have had time to assemble, prepare and call ms marvel. But in this instance Loki would have reported the same thing that Banner did, “Thanos is coming and it’s already too late”. Basically what I’m saying is, there was nothing that Loki could have done/said (even if he joined Thanos) that would have helped the avengers at this point. Nothing would have changed.
Loved the video, completely agreed with everything. Good job! I wish things were different as well… I love Loki and he’s one of the reasons I fell in love with the mcu…
Most other villains are some varient of terrorist, and Loki is just a great villain. Infinity War is kind of a wild ride with Thanos basically stopping anyone and anything from living just by existing. I mean, "he's got into Tony's head, so why wouldn't he have gotten into Thor's?" The answer to that potential question from the writers is this, Loki's a Spy, and Thanos is Heavy from Team Fortress 2. He should have waited to backstab him like he usually does. He would've been a great teammate with Dr. Strange, which he knows exists! He could've played the patient game again and waited to go down to Earth and immediately pretend to be on Maws' side up until he backstabs him and helps Peter, Strange and Tony to get on the ship! That would've led to a more satisfying ending to his character. They could've made him think more and more about his circumstances.
I agree with everything but Ragnarok. I feel like Ragnarok, although better than the tv show, still overdoes his arrogance. In Thor 1 and Thor 2, his arrogance is typically there, but it’s not as obvious or overpowering. It has a balance, which is probably due to his insecurity and inferiority.
You work is so well done and researched! I have had a Loki video in the works for almost 3 years now, and much as it now become a behemoth connecting back to Buffy the vampire slayer and the princess and the frog (I'm serious) that makes it a challenge to ever finish and publish, this is so concise and to the point it gives me hope!
@@skulliebythesea thank you! It was filmed in November, editing is still undergoing cause we quite literally got performance anxiety 🤞🏼 hour video on how they did Wanda dirty in the multiverse of madness is literally what my wife has been talking about doing for months too so thank you for that too!
Honestly, I stopped watching anything Marvel after I bought a yearly subscription to Disney+ just because of the LOKI tv show. This character is wasted potential personified. I wasn't the biggest fan of TR Loki because it felt a bit like Taika Waititi just wasn't a fan of the character at some parts, but honestly, TR Loki wasn't half the bumbling lost boy that his is in 'his own' show. Yeah, I'm a little bitter about it. And the fact that they completely overlook the shitty treatment he gets from the other characters, ignoring it and making him suddenly develop a great relationship with them. How does this guy think of Mobius as a friend after he basically tells him he killed his own mother (the only person Loki feels loved by) and then lies telling him Sylvie is dead (again, the only person Loki 'loves' or feels any connection to) I don't get it. 0:08 makes me so sad because I just found your channel, immediately subscribed (after watching maybe three videos) and I would love to watch that privated video I missed because I didn't know about the channel earlier. Or is it the video about Sylvie/Loki and bi erasure that's still up?
A very well-written critique. Personally, Loki is my favorite thing to come out of the MCU in years, and I like how the character's personality has been altered to better fit with what the latest storylines have called for. However, I do appreciate your perspective and I do think it is valid to have such criticisms.
Not me agreeing with basically everything in this video 🤣 And yes, Loki lost a lot of his flare in the series, I really don't like how his character was handled, especially when you consider the timeline. This is my main problem with Spiderman No Way Home, because they quite literally dumb down Strange in that movie in order for the plot to be able to happen. Because we'd rather have teenagers back talk to the Sorcerer Supreme in opposition to Peter possibly getting told no and him deciding to fool around trying to find a way for himself (which I would rather that, if I'm entirely honest and would be a bit more in character). Great video, good job on it ✨
When Odin took Loki as a baby, once he decided to keep him as his own, he turned Loki into an Asgardian, his blood and everything. I loved this show. But then, when I watch movie or shows, I prefer to lean back, prep some popcorn and turn my brain off. It's a gift.
Very nice explication. The feeling "like 2 differents Loki" is one I had between movies and serie but in my case it is ok simply because that variant is not the same Loki so I didn't expected them to be similar
One of my biggest issues with the Marvel Series on Loki, was how they keep forgetting that Loki actually DIDN'T want the throne. He just wanted to be seen as Thor's equal and respected by Odin similarly. The fact that we got a throne-craving Loki in Avengers 1 made it very obvious that Loki wasn't in his right mind, holding onto the mind-spear and being tormented even in his dreams by The Other. Him being mind controlled made a lot of sense to me, watching it way back when. And the fact we didn't get Loki in the final Avengers movie, fighting alongside with Thor against Thanos with his magic... Yeah, that super sucked. DX
I always liked to think that loki chose to try and stab thanos because he already thought it through and knew thanos wants to have balance, so leaving 1 brother alive and the other dead, but i doubt thats what they were really going for
Its kind of the same thing with Waikikis thor Whedon's loki they were both changed up to be more comical and witty to appeal to audiences at what point in time it was successful avengers loki was honestly Iconic charming charismatic and funny but then i think marvel abused it that aspect so much especially the deaths that it lost meaning and i know as we get older look back on the mcu we appreciate the quiet peaceful good boy gone bad loki and reckless jerk thor who learns to be responsible and caring thor in the first movie
Great video, got some thoughts. First, the feedback: objective quality is a myth, so I suggest you don’t call something “objective” unless it actually is-like, Thor is in Thor: The Dark World. It’s a can of worms not worth opening. Second piece of feedback is people are trying to throw around words like “crazy” a bit less these days-it kinda is symptomatic of wider casual ableism. Plus, there’s often better words to use! Depending on the situation, you could use: frustrating, strange, evil, off-putting, odd, divisive, alienating, and so on. Now, the positives!! Absolutely inconsistency is a big problem in the MCU. It always has been, but due to the near-constant stream of MCU content we’ve had over the last two years people are actually starting to notice the cracks. It’s been helped greatly by remarkable actors maintaining a continuity via a consistent approach to the performance, but looking back it seems inevitable it was always going to catch up to marvel. Loki is one character I’m willing to give a bit more slack to because he is by his nature someone with a flexible identity. But yes, there’s some odd moments-for instance the “I don’t enjoy killing” line in Disney+ Loki, considering what an absolute blast he was having in the avengers which as you noted wasn’t very long ago. And yes I too wasn’t fond of plopping Loki down in front of Disney+ to binge the MCU and then acting like he actually experienced all of that. Loki from the show felt so weird because he acted like the Loki that went through all that growth but actually was the Loki who just “killed 80 people in 2 days” and lead an alien invasion straight into the heart of NYC. I think my biggest frustration with his growth as a person in the show was because it felt like it ignored just how important Thor was to his arc in the films. I get what they were going for and I do think it is one of the strongest MCU Disney+ shows (kinda a low bar) but it felt so off to have so little of Loki’s growth be tied to Thor considering how important that relationship has always been. I can’t wait to see what you do next! I definitely do recommend getting back into RWBY as it has been for me a fantastic antidote to the MCU. Oh! And did you get my invite to my discord on instagram? No pressure, just thought you might enjoy it in my community. Again, great work!!😮
Thank you so much Adam! I always appreciate your thorough input! Yes! There's so much of Loki's journey (including Thor) that is simply ignored. I imagine this was so there weren't any outside distractions in his show, but I think it was a great disservice. So much of Loki's journey is intertwined with Thor's and the fact that he was barely mentioned is a mistake in my opinion. I'll definitely have to get back into RWBY, there's just SO MUCH content to consume! lol I definitely missed the invite because I never really used IG anymore, but I'll try to find time soon :)
Thank you for this. You've made a lot of great points. Personally, having so many multiple directors, hasn't always been in the best interest of a lot characters. Also, based on interviews, I suspect Tom Hiddleston himself had a say in Loki's evolution. I believe he's involved in the script/story line in the series. He's made a fantastic Loki, however, I suspect he wanted to bring about Loki's good heart and less villainy. Also, Tom is getting older like the rest of us., He'll have to turn Loki over to the next generation, he's had a fantastic run, it may be hard to say so long.
@@ZyliceLiddell He made the MCU a heck of a lot of money. That might have been incentive enough to let him have a certain degree of say and be involved in production , contract/wise. MCU is about the money.
I actually think his portrayal in the show is pretty good. Maybe a few odd moments, but overall, it's really good. The only issue I have is that he seems weaker than usual. I'm fine with him being defeated and taken by the tva because he was out of his depth with their abilities, and he couldn't use his powers. But whenever he does have them again, he seems less powerful. It's annoying but doesn't ruin the show for me. Most of what you mentioned is a result of him being weaker rather than being out of character, so I think this is the only issue. In the end, he becomes the most powerful being in existence, so I'm at least glad about that 😁
The only part I could accept is him getting caught at the very beginning. Why? Because right before this he came out of a portal looking far more injured than he did at the end of Thor 1 falling in the void (dude doubles over in the portal room), has various fights, gets thrown & manhandled by Thor, and got Hulk smashed into the floor. The last couple happened within hours. He may be walking but he is way more injured than the makeup dept ended up showing him. Once he heals up tho it feels real strange.
@teresar6348 Ya pretty much. That's why I don't mind him getting caught at first. But ya, it feels very strange later on when he is at "full power" again.
Consistent characters should be the absolute priority, the story should bend to fit the characters, not the other way around. That said, I have heard some nonsense about the Loki in the series being one from a timeline other than the official one in the movies as a justification for him being so different. Still, sounds like a lame excuse for mutilating a character we love so much.
You'd think each role would have a file on their characterization and major influences so that this wouldn't happen all the time, it doesn't feel like it.
Can we all agree that the writing in the MCU, both movies and tv shows, have off and inconsistent lately? BTW, nice video essay.
Probably because they now know that they’re too big to fail, and know that people will pay to watch anything from them
In my opinion joss Whedon and to an extent alan taylor really were the only two new how to make diva bad guy loki entertaining without have to make him a joke and still gave him character and a personality
It doesn't help that the producers of marvel don't hire fans of marvel and consider it a "red flag" if they are a fan.
I'm still trying to figure out how Loki has superhuman strength but now he can't beat a mere human in a grocery store. All the sudden he's running around getting his ass kicked by random people and his IQ dropped like 50 points. I remember thinking how the hell did he get here. What have you done Disney. Put our Loki back right now
Im so disappointed that Micheal Waldron is writing avengers secret wars. I’m convinced this man has something on Kevin feige to keep getting hired because he is literally THE WORST part of any marvel project he has worked on. Anyways, great work on the video!!
Omg his the one responsable for the awful multiverse of madness! Of course he is
Oh no… He’s writing secret wars??
That isn’t good…
lol i remember Loki being my most anticipated Marvel show but it ended up being my least favourite for pretty much everything you said. Marvel played our asses, that’s not our Loki 😂
my thoughts exactly ahha
Completely agree. For a long while Loki has been my favourite chararcter in the MCU and the only reason why I even got into it in the first place. I was very excited to watch the Loki series but also completely stumped by what they did to the character - he definitely did NOT behave like Loki at all. It wasn't a bad series by any means but this is legitimately a different character altogether. This Loki was just too nice, not cunning enough, barely used his magic and didn't behave like Loki would have in any of the previous movies. It was just entirely baffling. I would be fine with this nice version of Loki if they actually showed us the transition to how his character grew and developed but he behaves like this right from episode 1. It was a huge shame and so much wasted potential
YES! My thoughts exactly. I'm glad I'm not the only one that felt that way :)
I have to share my own opinion and say that I thought the reason why he was like this was because of the “wake up call” he got when seeing his life flash before his eyes. That’s enough for you to change your ways or even question your ways. I don’t believe he changed from the first episode. I think it was a gradual thing. Again just my opinion. I thoroughly enjoyed the writing for this show and they wrote Loki in such a deep, emotional, complex way.
I also think Loki has always been such a complex, layered character- and the “inconsistency” that’s being referred to here - I think- is the MCU portraying that complexity really well
@@rachaeleldermusic I agree! I love Loki series 😊
Late, but.. I agree.
Loki acted so out of character, it was crazy.
Also the inconsistencies are wild, so many plot holes and Loki isn’t even the main part of his OWN series! He became the side character and was barely moving the plot. Sure, things happened to Loki but he didn’t make any decisions that would make a big change to the plot in any sort of way. Also I hated the Sylvie x Loki ship. It was so one sided!
Everytime Loki expressed his feelings to Sylvie, she either looks uncomfortable or is weirded out.
She treated him like absolute trash!
And the fact that Sylvie is just another version of Loki is just… Gross! They portray Loki as narcissistic which isn’t true at all! Sure, he is arrogant but it’s been shown multiple times that it was all just a facade and that he doesn’t think very highly of himself.
The writers keep putting the excuse of “They’re not the same!” But at the same time, they say that “Self love is important” and Loki falling in love with Sylvie will make him learn to love himself or some shit I don’t know!
Also, going back to a previous point. The inconsistencies and plot holes are CRAZY, also the people working at the TVA are complete morons. Like.. The guy working at the desk doesn’t know what a tesseract or infinity stone is! You’re telling me that someone who works at the MOST POWERFUL FORCE IN THE GODDAMN MULTIVERSE DOESN’T KNOW WHAT AN INFINITY STONE OR TESSERACT IS?
Also, not to mention that the WRITER TWEETED THAT HE DID NOT WATCH A SINGLE MOVIE WITH LOKI IN IT! That’s why he was so out of character!!
Yeah, so that is my rant. Thanks if you read it all.
I’m bad at explaining stuff so if you don’t understand anything that I said, I can try explaining it better..
PTG Reviews has a good video explaining all of the flaws. I reccomend checking it out.
The more I watch Infinity War the more I dislike it. They really made Loki die like a chump. In Ragnarök Thor tells Loki he could be so much more than *just* the God of mischief, but because Loki dies almost right after he says that we never get to see that come to fruition.
In Ragnarök I really wanted to see what Loki ruling Asgard looked like. What did the people think of him? What did he think of the people? Apparently he didn't think very highly of them because he was 1000% willing to let them die at the hands of his sister. Did he ever get homesick on Sakaar? He talks about staying there and overthrowing the grandmaster, but he learned the security codes to all the spaceships, so was he planning on leaving at some point? There are so many layers there that should have been dissected but they never were.
Also, for someone who's a master of magic he almost never uses it. What a waste.
He became the ‘God of Time/Stories.’ The only part of the show that did him *ANY* justice. But still doesn’t change the fact that he lost his personality. 😢
Actually, for Avengers exists a deleted scene where it is heavily implied how Loki was influenced. He telephatically talks to the Other in that scene. It's on RUclips. Also, in one scene it almost seems like Thor managed to snap Loki out of this state and it seems like he actually for the first time realizes what he did, but then he stabs Thor.
Well Marvel confirmed that he was, in fact influenced by the ‘Mind Stone’ in the sceptre.
Why delete an important scene like that?!
Even in the movie you can see how injured Loki is before we even see anyone land a hit on him. Meaning those injuries had to come before he made it to Earth.
Also theres that whole scene where everyone is in the room with the scepter and their emotions go aggressive real quick, to the point bruce grabs the scepter without remembering how. And none of the Avengers put 2 and 2 together.
Let's just say that characters are allowed to be complex and change over time. He can be evil in the past and not so evil and then maybe do some more evil stuff again and then decide he wants to not do that anymore. For some reason the MCU thinks that audiences would be super confused by this?? I for one like the complex weird little dude.
Unpopular opinion, the first 2 Thor movies are some of my all time favorite MCU movies lol I'm just a sucker for the fantastical and Norse mythology
I agree! Hopefully Thor 5 can do these characters some justice!
I’m pretty sure Loki’s motive for impersonating Odin was to hide from Thanos, iirc
Well, he also wanted to rule Asgard without rising suspicion, but yes! I'm sure that was also a huge perk. I think that move from Loki was absolutely genius. 2 birds, 1 stone.
@@skulliebythesea exactly. Plus, I feel like if he wasn’t hiding from Thanos he would have no reason to impersonate Odin. Loki is a validation seeking egotist, so of course he would want everyone to know that he beat Odin and is king now. Nice vid!
@@gbrogo7139 YES! Completely agree! Thank you so much for the love!
Yeah, without Odin being there, Thanos would eat Thor, Heimdal and Loki for breakfast and save Asgard for lunch. That's why Loki was disguised as Odin to make Thanos believe that he is really dead because of the dark elves and Asgard is still under Odin's protection.
Had to pause watching this video to say how insanely good your analysis of Ragnarok in relation to Loki's character is! I've always loved the movie, and Loki in it, and watching this video made me realise it's not just because I love the humour of it - it's because, as you say, once you accept the movie for what it is tonally, Loki is still SO Loki in it and I LOVE that :)
Edit: also completely agree with you on TDW - that did SO much for Thor and Loki's relationship, and if you don't have that escape scene in the ship between them, I don't think their relationship in Ragnarok would have worked half as well - the comedy between them would perhaps have felt as though it came out of nowhere, and could have been too jarring if we'd seen no interaction like that previously.
I completely agree :) I'm glad it resonated
I don`t like what they did with Loki but I still love him.
Ahhhh I hated that they killed Loki off too, I felt like they seriously did fans dirty by writing him out, I’m still peeved🤨😤
With the Asgard spaceship scene, we only see the end of the fight, using his own body was probably his last resort. He probably did try something else but it wasn’t enough for Thanos (this was before the Loki series where he gained the major boost in powers that you’re talking about).
It’s like saying, it isn’t in character for Thor to be defeated “so easily” after he stopped needing his hammer. He probably wasn’t defeated easily, it’s just that Thanos with his men are extremely powerful.
This is a fair assessment. It's definitely possible that he tried everything, including his powers, or perhaps he was just really tired and had no more strength, BUT EVEN SO... I feel like it would be way more in Loki's character when he's backed against a wall to talk himself out of a situation versus using brute force.
@@skulliebythesea he wasn’t going to abandon Thor, and there was no way for anyone to convince Thanos to walk away without a stone, this was the only outcome.
It IS in character, as much as Loki envied Thor, deep down he has always loved his brother and family.
And after Thor Ragnarok, Loki kinda became a hero. Sacrificing himself for just a slim chance to kill Thanos was the perfect end to his character arc.
@@AgarioGameplays who's to say he would abandon Thor? Joining Thanos to get more information and use that information to help Thor in the long-run is WAY more in character for Loki. He's patient and plays the long game always.
@@skulliebythesea there was no more useful information to learn, if this had taken place before Thanos started his quest then yeah, he could have warned the avengers and that actually would have been useful because they would have had time to assemble, prepare and call ms marvel. But in this instance Loki would have reported the same thing that Banner did, “Thanos is coming and it’s already too late”.
Basically what I’m saying is, there was nothing that Loki could have done/said (even if he joined Thanos) that would have helped the avengers at this point. Nothing would have changed.
Loved the video, completely agreed with everything. Good job! I wish things were different as well… I love Loki and he’s one of the reasons I fell in love with the mcu…
I completely agree. He was an incredibly complicated character that deserved better. I'm glad you liked the video though :)
Most other villains are some varient of terrorist, and Loki is just a great villain.
Infinity War is kind of a wild ride with Thanos basically stopping anyone and anything from living just by existing. I mean, "he's got into Tony's head, so why wouldn't he have gotten into Thor's?" The answer to that potential question from the writers is this, Loki's a Spy, and Thanos is Heavy from Team Fortress 2. He should have waited to backstab him like he usually does. He would've been a great teammate with Dr. Strange, which he knows exists! He could've played the patient game again and waited to go down to Earth and immediately pretend to be on Maws' side up until he backstabs him and helps Peter, Strange and Tony to get on the ship! That would've led to a more satisfying ending to his character.
They could've made him think more and more about his circumstances.
I agree with everything but Ragnarok. I feel like Ragnarok, although better than the tv show, still overdoes his arrogance. In Thor 1 and Thor 2, his arrogance is typically there, but it’s not as obvious or overpowering. It has a balance, which is probably due to his insecurity and inferiority.
You work is so well done and researched! I have had a Loki video in the works for almost 3 years now, and much as it now become a behemoth connecting back to Buffy the vampire slayer and the princess and the frog (I'm serious) that makes it a challenge to ever finish and publish, this is so concise and to the point it gives me hope!
That sounds amazing and I need to see it 😍
@@skulliebythesea thank you! It was filmed in November, editing is still undergoing cause we quite literally got performance anxiety 🤞🏼 hour video on how they did Wanda dirty in the multiverse of madness is literally what my wife has been talking about doing for months too so thank you for that too!
Can you make a video on the decline of the MCU?
Really great video! Our boy deserves more
The ‘Loki’ show is the *ULTIMATE* slap in the face.
Funny, most think it tied up his character arc beautifully
@@whateverwhatever4476 That’s good but this show divided a lot of fans.
did it? the response seems super positive to me
Honestly, I stopped watching anything Marvel after I bought a yearly subscription to Disney+ just because of the LOKI tv show. This character is wasted potential personified. I wasn't the biggest fan of TR Loki because it felt a bit like Taika Waititi just wasn't a fan of the character at some parts, but honestly, TR Loki wasn't half the bumbling lost boy that his is in 'his own' show. Yeah, I'm a little bitter about it. And the fact that they completely overlook the shitty treatment he gets from the other characters, ignoring it and making him suddenly develop a great relationship with them. How does this guy think of Mobius as a friend after he basically tells him he killed his own mother (the only person Loki feels loved by) and then lies telling him Sylvie is dead (again, the only person Loki 'loves' or feels any connection to) I don't get it.
0:08 makes me so sad because I just found your channel, immediately subscribed (after watching maybe three videos) and I would love to watch that privated video I missed because I didn't know about the channel earlier. Or is it the video about Sylvie/Loki and bi erasure that's still up?
He wasn’t a fan of the character. There was even a deleted scene of him in a *TOILET!* 😖
We don’t see him often enough to see the character’s growth
I disagree. I definitely think there's a significant shift in Loki's motives and growth from Thor 2 to Thor Ragnarok.
You said the 1st Thor is bad but Black Panther is good, that’s funny. Regarding Lokis analysis, excellent job.
A very well-written critique. Personally, Loki is my favorite thing to come out of the MCU in years, and I like how the character's personality has been altered to better fit with what the latest storylines have called for. However, I do appreciate your perspective and I do think it is valid to have such criticisms.
Idk if I'm first but great work as always!
Thank you ❤️
Not me agreeing with basically everything in this video 🤣
And yes, Loki lost a lot of his flare in the series, I really don't like how his character was handled, especially when you consider the timeline.
This is my main problem with Spiderman No Way Home, because they quite literally dumb down Strange in that movie in order for the plot to be able to happen. Because we'd rather have teenagers back talk to the Sorcerer Supreme in opposition to Peter possibly getting told no and him deciding to fool around trying to find a way for himself (which I would rather that, if I'm entirely honest and would be a bit more in character).
Great video, good job on it ✨
Me, holding blorbo: son
Me, realizing he's a different character in nearly every movie: sons
I ranted about this EXACT thing the DAY the tv show came out. They took all the traits ppl like from him cause we just cant have a evil MC
When Odin took Loki as a baby, once he decided to keep him as his own, he turned Loki into an Asgardian, his blood and everything.
I loved this show. But then, when I watch movie or shows, I prefer to lean back, prep some popcorn and turn my brain off. It's a gift.
Very nice explication. The feeling "like 2 differents Loki" is one I had between movies and serie but in my case it is ok simply because that variant is not the same Loki so I didn't expected them to be similar
I’m curious as to what you think of season 2.
One of my biggest issues with the Marvel Series on Loki, was how they keep forgetting that Loki actually DIDN'T want the throne. He just wanted to be seen as Thor's equal and respected by Odin similarly. The fact that we got a throne-craving Loki in Avengers 1 made it very obvious that Loki wasn't in his right mind, holding onto the mind-spear and being tormented even in his dreams by The Other. Him being mind controlled made a lot of sense to me, watching it way back when. And the fact we didn't get Loki in the final Avengers movie, fighting alongside with Thor against Thanos with his magic... Yeah, that super sucked. DX
I always liked to think that loki chose to try and stab thanos because he already thought it through and knew thanos wants to have balance, so leaving 1 brother alive and the other dead, but i doubt thats what they were really going for
Its kind of the same thing with Waikikis thor Whedon's loki they were both changed up to be more comical and witty to appeal to audiences at what point in time it was successful avengers loki was honestly Iconic charming charismatic and funny but then i think marvel abused it that aspect so much especially the deaths that it lost meaning and i know as we get older look back on the mcu we appreciate the quiet peaceful good boy gone bad loki and reckless jerk thor who learns to be responsible and caring thor in the first movie
14:00 Now he’s *STILL* getting pushes aside for ‘Kang.’ 🙄
Talk about a perfect Fall character.
MCU always takes away people’s growth and i really can’t stand it …i get not EVERYONE can have a happy ending but cmon now
11:00 He also takes that shot from Coulson’s ray gun.
Finally someonee gets meee.....
Great video, got some thoughts.
First, the feedback:
objective quality is a myth, so I suggest you don’t call something “objective” unless it actually is-like, Thor is in Thor: The Dark World. It’s a can of worms not worth opening.
Second piece of feedback is people are trying to throw around words like “crazy” a bit less these days-it kinda is symptomatic of wider casual ableism. Plus, there’s often better words to use! Depending on the situation, you could use: frustrating, strange, evil, off-putting, odd, divisive, alienating, and so on.
Now, the positives!!
Absolutely inconsistency is a big problem in the MCU. It always has been, but due to the near-constant stream of MCU content we’ve had over the last two years people are actually starting to notice the cracks. It’s been helped greatly by remarkable actors maintaining a continuity via a consistent approach to the performance, but looking back it seems inevitable it was always going to catch up to marvel. Loki is one character I’m willing to give a bit more slack to because he is by his nature someone with a flexible identity. But yes, there’s some odd moments-for instance the “I don’t enjoy killing” line in Disney+ Loki, considering what an absolute blast he was having in the avengers which as you noted wasn’t very long ago. And yes I too wasn’t fond of plopping Loki down in front of Disney+ to binge the MCU and then acting like he actually experienced all of that. Loki from the show felt so weird because he acted like the Loki that went through all that growth but actually was the Loki who just “killed 80 people in 2 days” and lead an alien invasion straight into the heart of NYC. I think my biggest frustration with his growth as a person in the show was because it felt like it ignored just how important Thor was to his arc in the films. I get what they were going for and I do think it is one of the strongest MCU Disney+ shows (kinda a low bar) but it felt so off to have so little of Loki’s growth be tied to Thor considering how important that relationship has always been.
I can’t wait to see what you do next! I definitely do recommend getting back into RWBY as it has been for me a fantastic antidote to the MCU.
Oh! And did you get my invite to my discord on instagram? No pressure, just thought you might enjoy it in my community.
Again, great work!!😮
Thank you so much Adam! I always appreciate your thorough input! Yes! There's so much of Loki's journey (including Thor) that is simply ignored. I imagine this was so there weren't any outside distractions in his show, but I think it was a great disservice. So much of Loki's journey is intertwined with Thor's and the fact that he was barely mentioned is a mistake in my opinion.
I'll definitely have to get back into RWBY, there's just SO MUCH content to consume! lol
I definitely missed the invite because I never really used IG anymore, but I'll try to find time soon :)
@@skulliebythesea wonderful 🥰 I hope you’re having a lovely day, and I look forward to your future work!!
@@adammyers7383 Thank you!! so sweet!
@@skulliebythesea you’re very welcome 😊 Have a great day, and I hope to see you in my server-but again, no pressure.
Thank you for this. You've made a lot of great points. Personally, having so many multiple directors, hasn't always been in the best interest of a lot characters. Also, based on interviews, I suspect Tom Hiddleston himself had a say in Loki's evolution. I believe he's involved in the script/story line in the series. He's made a fantastic Loki, however, I suspect he wanted to bring about Loki's good heart and less villainy. Also, Tom is getting older like the rest of us., He'll have to turn Loki over to the next generation, he's had a fantastic run, it may be hard to say so long.
He didn’t have much say.
@@ZyliceLiddell
He made the MCU a heck of a lot of money. That might have been incentive enough to let him have a certain degree of say and be involved in production , contract/wise.
MCU is about the money.
I do have to ask, what your definition of a good Villain…?
Disney ruined him.
I actually think his portrayal in the show is pretty good. Maybe a few odd moments, but overall, it's really good.
The only issue I have is that he seems weaker than usual. I'm fine with him being defeated and taken by the tva because he was out of his depth with their abilities, and he couldn't use his powers. But whenever he does have them again, he seems less powerful. It's annoying but doesn't ruin the show for me.
Most of what you mentioned is a result of him being weaker rather than being out of character, so I think this is the only issue. In the end, he becomes the most powerful being in existence, so I'm at least glad about that 😁
The only part I could accept is him getting caught at the very beginning. Why? Because right before this he came out of a portal looking far more injured than he did at the end of Thor 1 falling in the void (dude doubles over in the portal room), has various fights, gets thrown & manhandled by Thor, and got Hulk smashed into the floor. The last couple happened within hours. He may be walking but he is way more injured than the makeup dept ended up showing him. Once he heals up tho it feels real strange.
@teresar6348 Ya pretty much. That's why I don't mind him getting caught at first. But ya, it feels very strange later on when he is at "full power" again.
FYI Michael Waldron wrote multiverse of madness
Consistent characters should be the absolute priority, the story should bend to fit the characters, not the other way around. That said, I have heard some nonsense about the Loki in the series being one from a timeline other than the official one in the movies as a justification for him being so different. Still, sounds like a lame excuse for mutilating a character we love so much.
You'd think each role would have a file on their characterization and major influences so that this wouldn't happen all the time, it doesn't feel like it.
People need to rewatch the first Avengers and then watch guardians of the galaxy.
He was better in the earlier movies
He was ruined by Disney.
Yeah i'm . Same with you girl
The most inconsistent character.
I had fun watching the series, but also, is so disappointing.
The series itself had some cleverness about it (albeit too slow paced) but ‘Loki’ was ‘absent’ in all episode other than S1E1 and S2E2.
the comic make it worse he is so change in every comic