MULAN (2020) - Disney's Biggest Bruh Moment
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- Опубликовано: 11 июн 2024
- so..the Mulan live-action remake.. ya, it doesn't get much worse than this...
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0:00 - Intro
0:23 - Part 1: Controversy
4:16 - Part 2: An Alternative
5:14 - Part 3: Mulan (2020)
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It’s ironic a movie from 22 years ago is more progressive than its modern remake
Bc modern feminism is regressive.
@@colfol231 Mulan 2020 is as feminist as the new Charlie's Angels... Little Women, Booksmart or Lady Bird are actual movies with good messages for girls.
@@colfol231 none of this happened because of "modern feminism". I haven't seen a single feminist or so called sjw express support for this awful film. This happened because Disney is so disconnected from their audiences and the source material. This is just greed. None of the main creators of this would probably ever label themselves a "feminist"
A sad reflection on our times
That's alot of old movies. Sunday bloody sunday boys in the band are an actual cultural touchstone that still exist in the eyes of their community regardless of criticism while to quote NC "pandering bullshit like (whatever new fauxgressive crap the big studios come up with now) fades away, also for good reason"
I really hate that disney's response to people wanting strong female characters is literally make all their female characters physically stronger. We want compelling female characters who feel like their own person and whose character arc does not revolve around the men in her life, not a human nuke who can melt space ships and oh yeah also happens to be a woman.
Kyle Hayden yeah exactly. strong = compelling and well-written NOT overpowered god
Can't wait to see how they fuck up Ariel. Taming sharks to take down Ursula? Tune in to find out!
I mean do we? There is already enough representation in media now. I'm not saying that representation is bad, nay, I encourage it, but is there not enough empowerment?
And also BTW a woman character's personality shouldn't just be woman, it should be a well written character with personality who happens to be a woman. Representation doesn't mean you can't show their flaws and stuff.
I think that it needs to be a mix of both. Female characters shouldn’t have to be made more stereotypically masculine to be strong characters, but women can also be physically strong. But when it comes to these strong women in movies they always seem to choose one or the other. How about a head strong, with a more petite woman or a compassionate but more physically built woman?
B-because they have Chi quantum or something
As a woman the message I got from the movie was:
"You'll never be able to prove yourself or compete against men if you don't have magical powers"
How dare you get any kind of message from a Disney stupidity.
wrong. its if you have magical powers, your better then everyone else
With her sister getting married in the end it really smacked of "If you don't have special Mary Sue powers, you're only good for popping out babies."
1998 film: "You don't need to be like a man to do what they can do and be great at doing it."
2020 Remake: "You'll never be as good as men unless if you have magical powers and supernatural combat skills."
not rlly
I love how the "grounded", "realistic" live action has witches, phoenixes and a bunch of people with chi superpowers while the "unrealistic" fantasy cartoon only has a comic relief dragon, a cricket and some ghosts who barely interfere in the story as fantastic elements
I hate Disney, they just love money,
They could practically be all in mulans head
@@Unproductivenonsense ok but can a hallucination put an apple on an arrow
@@jenniferdunstan5065 touché
also lots of inaccuracies to chinese mythology and just chinese culture in general, the chinese phoenix didn't burst into flame and then arose again from the ashes.
not only is this movie the worst thing Disney has made since god knows what, they think that women are so bad they have to have super powers to be equal to men
@Necramonium Bro, the CCP doesn't want anything to do with Mulan since they banned any discussion of it in China LMAOOOOOOOO
Honestly I think the super powers were just an excuse to make her look more bad ass but it kinda back fired
Should just watch the live action Aladdin twice instead, movie's just as hilarious as Mulan 2020, but it's actually trying to be
Your more correct than giving a dog a small pat on the head instead of hugging, or doing some crazy thing to the dog. Your just as correct as a good hardy woofer pat.
that thing among many others made me so pissed at Mulan remake - in the animated version she sucked at the begining, but she was witty and she worked hard, she didn't had to went on the shortcut by having superpowers (like, seriously, are men SO amazing and strong that she needs a fucking super powers to be able to keep up with them??)
The ironic thing is, her dropping her armor shows disrespect towards her father, the person she cares enough about to go to war for. That armor was her fathers, yet she just leaves it in the mud like it means nothing to her. Just another way the modern one somehow manages to screw up everything, even the virtues they supposedly show in the movie (loyalty, etc.)
I guess she loses everything her father had, huh? She tosses the armor away on the battlefield AND she drops the sword into a vat of molten metal.
The Emperor most certainly doesn't approve
Damn I was just focused on the stupidity of the fact that she was running into battle with NO armor on... I completely forgot it was her dad’s lmao that makes it 11x worse
Mulan : "Oh no! I love you father, I will risk my life to protect you!"
Mulan 30 min later: "Fuck father and all his possessions LMAO"
dweeb draws Such is life in modern Woke Disney
Mulan (1998) also has one of the most unforgiving and sudden mood shifts of any movie i’ve ever seen. In the scene where the army is singing and having a good time as they march to meet up with the rest of their forces we an abrupt stop, and are shown a village that was burned down. We go from joyful and happy soldiers singing to just the complete opposite as they walk through the ruins of the village. The score goes from upbeat to depressing in a matter of seconds.
They completely massacred this scene in the remake.
That scene is one of the most powerful scenes in the whole movie, in my opinion. Especially since they’re singing the goofy song, then it immediately gets cut off as they find the little girl’s burned up doll. It did such a good job showing the horrors of war just by showing that one doll.
And that mood whiplash allows them to drive home the horror of war without being too explicit for a children's movie, while for older audiences the inferred horror becomes even more terrible.
It's an amazing scene in a great movie.
@@mayvalley Worst thing is we the audience already saw that doll before! I forgot his name, but the main antagonist of the original Mulan got that doll after his pet bird brought it to him. After his men inspected that doll he told them "The little girl misses his doll. We should return it to her.". I saw both scenes on RUclips a few weeks ago in the right order and my expression went from ._. to 0-0 back to ._. after my brain told me 'Just act natural' because I got called down for something
@@REDFRLegend Considering what ancient warfare was like, the sacking of that town would not have been done gently.
@@REDFRLegend "The little girl misses HIS doll."
It's HIS doll now, not hers, lol.
The fact that she's moving in 'slow motion' but the hair on her face is flowing in a normal breeze kills me every time. 😂
My favorite part of the original Mulan was when she was sent home because she couldn’t keep up with the rest of the men. Instead of leaving she used the weights to climb the pole no one else could and get the arrow no one else could.
THAT is an empowered woman and for me as a six year old girl, that was what made me feel like I could do anything through perseverance and determination. The new version tells girls they can accomplish anything if they have magic bullshit powers.
Classic Mary Sue
That is a heartwarming story right there, thanks for sharing your experience with the movie Zur! ^_^
Exactly. Another youtuber talked about this scene and said how Mulan went to the war to take her father's place but when she was given a way out, she chose to stay to prove herself. If that's not women empowerment, I don't know what the fuck is.
As a dude, Mulan was so cool in the original movie and after watching the live action, they completely disrespected her character.
New Mulan, master of bullshitsu.
bruh Mulan’s HORSE in the cartoon version has more substance than any of these live action characters
You mean her cow?
At least the cow showed some emotions.
Kiks 1114 when the cow said “moo” I felt that
“Down Bessy”
Broo, that's so true.
Kung Fu Panda did a better job at portraying chi powers and the overall “chosen one” storyline. Po was ordinary like Mulan and wanted to prove himself as a kung Fu master. He was determined to put in the work even though there were others and things that would make him feel like he couldn’t do it. Even after the first movie, we still get to see Po evolve as a kung Fu master and learn about things like inner peace and how to use chi to help others. The fact that a movie about a cartoon panda fighting did a better job than mulan 2020 is hilarious.
Kung Fu Panda is just beautiful and really one of the best Animation trilogies
Especially Kung Fu Panda 2,
It's my most favourite
Exactly. Plus, Po always had flaws, he was never a “Gary Stu.” Sure he did beat Tai Lung when they met(which sometimes feels a bit off considering the latter trained his whole damn life) but he has flaws like being an idiot in the 1st movie(for the majority that is).
SPEAKING of Kung Fu Panda…
You know how Mulan 2020- sorry, MARYSULAN is a Mary Sue who wins because of “cHi pOwEr”?
Well there’s a Kung Fu Panda character that is veeerry interested in chi.
I say we bring him to Marysulan’s area(you all know what he gonna do next)
WHO’S WITH ME?
I don’t think turning Mulan into a Wuxia story is inherently a bad idea, in fact it sorta works, but the people who wrote this movie fundamentally don’t understand Wuxia as a genre. One of the core principles of the Wuxia Genre is that birth and natural talent is secondary to hard work and training, it doesn’t matter if you’re a man or woman, the Emperor or a peasant, if you put in the effort you can achieve great things, Mulan 2020 is the antithesis of the Genre it’s trying to emulate.
I was gonna come here to comment pretty much this and you took the words right out of my mouth! Yeah, a Mulan movie with Wuxia elements could be fun and awesome, but sadly these people didn't understand the genre...
It's such a simple fix, too. Just make it so every character has chi powers, and most of the army and antagonists are stronger than Mulan. If you want it to not be about gender, make it so many members of the army are female but have extremely strong qi, and Mulan simply doesn't. (If you wanted to maintain the whole Mulan crossdress plot just make the women their own division that Mulan can't join because they're ridiculously powerful, which is why they were allowed in the army despite being women)
Then all you have to do is revolve the plot around Mulan using wit and hard work to outdo/keep up with those around her and boom. She's back to being similar to the better Mulan without losing the wuxia elements.
Reasons why this movie is worse than the cartoon:
1. They took out “make a man out of you”
2. It’s made by modern Disney
3. They took out “make a man out of you”
“Make a man out of you” was my favorite ass Disney song this is why I hated this fucking movie.
True
4: they took out Mushu
5. They added a magical witch
Most importantly they took out “make a man out of you”
I love how they tried so hard to pander to China and even China was like “What is this shit?”.
Yeah who would have thought chinese people like literally everyone else in the world do not like to be condescendingly pandered to either, right ?
Yeah. They didn't learn the lesson like google did. And google has a learning disability.
Some Chinesse/singaporean said that while the animated one got backlash many grew to like it (mostly women).
@@dcscruz2970 What's interesting is that it's 20 years later and many chinese people have embraced western culture more. If they had done a remake more true to the original, it would have been accepted better than before.
@@remindyouofwho7201 Honestly, I think most chinese people like the animated version. It would have prob been much better if this version was really close to the animated one or really close to the original, but it's not and it's a monstrous blend with chinese elements and hollywood story telling???with like a shit ton of inaccuracies that would have been better left out. Especially random inaccurate details. Just don't do it. It just doesn't work. At all.
You have my respect for raising awareness of oppression of the Uyghurs.
Except Uighur wasn’t anywhere near the Milan saga in history. At the time of Mulan the Uyghur didn’t even come onto historical scene yet. Also exactly why does everyone treat Uyghurs being entitled to xinjiang when it is a multiethnic region and Han was there literally thousand year before Uyghur? Also the whole oppression thing, the delegation from UN found no wrong doing in their investigation in the region. So show some proof like Guantanamo before starting the accusation. Otherwise, it will just be another scenario similar to US invasion of Iraq over weapon of mass destruction.
@@Commonlogicguy homie they are literally commuting a genocide on the level of WW2’s concentration camps.
@@frownyclowny6955 and you are based this assumption on? Realize that nowadays everyone with a phone is a journalist not to mention overhead satellites, there is surprisingly little supporting evidence. Since we are in an anti-china trade war, how convenient it is that media is accusing China of such thing much like how Iraq “had” weapon of mass destruction. But you know what amounted to massive death? Situation in Iraq and Afghanistan in the last 20 years, anyone looking into the situation of those Muslims? Bro?
@@Commonlogicguy the video literally describes how this has been happening long before phones even fucking existed. Nobodies trying to invade China on the false basis of nuclear arms either.
Also the suffering of one group does not invalidated the suffering of another.
Your name is the most ironic thing on the planet
@@frownyclowny6955 Sure, it does not invalidate. At the same time, this is just hypocritical of the western media constantly shinning a light on China while ignoring their own wrong doings. All of those tragedies inAfrica? Plight of all the natives in Australia and America? Those are the things the western government can actually controls yet, they are going for china not for invasion but simply bargaining chip in a trade war. So as they say, glass house and stones right. Oh I am logical, just all logic comes from certain perspective. Just happened where I am coming from is not where you are coming from, that is all.
The “saving Moana from being made into live action movie” statement did not age well
You can replace "chi" with "the force" and nothing would change.
Not if you put it in the dragonball Z universe
@@TheStripedPirate I was talking about the Mulan film.
Omg when I watched the movie with my family I constantly said that she had force powers.
I absolutely hate how accurate this is
@@TheStripedPirate why we talking about Z?
The point of Mulan is that she ISN’T naturally strong. She ISN’T naturally gifted in martial arts and fighting. She ISN’T special. But, she’s incredibly smart, incredibly brave, she worked hard to become a skilled warrior, and she does what’s right, even when she’s scared or thinks she’s not able to do it. I dunno how they managed to fuck that up.
This!
Exactly, she persevered when all of the odds were against her, she's inspiring for that reason, persistence, she doesn't give up.
Vegetarian Soylent Green right! She wasn’t born special, what made her special were the decisions she made and the actions she took. The point is, ANY woman could be Mulan if they have the courage in their hearts. You don’t have to be “special”. In the 2020 movie, Mulan is an exception. She’s NOT just like any other woman. So basically, the movie says that a woman has to be born with special powers in order to be on par with her male counterparts, which is bullshit and goes against the original message!
Historically, Mulan had some fighting knowledge which I think could’ve easily been displayed without some stupid chi BS.
That message dosn't fit their narrative
As Cynical CJ put it in his review of Mulan 2020 (great channel; well worth checking out) filming Mulan in Xinjiang and thanking the Chinese agency running the camps for their help would be like "filming a movie down the road from Auschwitz and giving a shout-out to the SS". It's absolutely gob-smacking that Disney could have done this. Yet here we are.
😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
“Theres still time to save moana guys”
You did not bro 💀💀💀
"We removed the dragon to make the movie more realistic. Now we got a witch and wall-running ninjas"
To be fair ive seen people run on walls before. Just takes alot of practice haha
@Reido Dorito You could perhaps do it with the help of a rope (like rappelling, but backwards), but yeah, running unaided up a wall is just absurd.
In order to run up a wall, you’ll need an impossible amount of momentum. But even then, that wouldn’t work because of the 90° angle. They were running as if the wall had gravity on its own.
@@neoniguana655 I think that it could work for a very short distance, like you sometimes see people who do parkour do it. But obviously how it's in the movie it's extremely unrealistic.
@AbnormallyNormal CHI!
The original movie: women are just as strong as men and there's strength in both masculinity and femininity.
This trainwreck: women can maybe catch up with men if they have superpowers, otherwise stay on your lane and give me sons
it's because nowadays you can't be subtle anymore, you have to say strong woman, racism is wrong, you can't have a subtle message anymore
@@tio_john racism is only wrong NOW?
in the original movie the message was that she wasn't stronger, but better because she was smart, this was a powerful message from Disney to keep conflict with gender 'war' to be peaceful not continuous. meaning as if she was smarter than the other men she could potentially be better. in the remake, they made her some powerful overtaking woman who could defeat men because of her chi; this escalates feminists to resume their conflict of being "more powerful than men." therefore creating a conflict of men hating women for their 'feminism' more and continuously. In conclusion people hate this movie because ITS FULL OF SHIT THAT NO ONE CARES, NOT EVEN WOMEN
@@comedicpsychnerd no, they're saying that now you can't just give a message metaphorically, you just have to present the message as it is, so that people don't get angry for misinterpreting it.
@@jagp135 ik. T’was a joke. I agree with them tho, like why can’t we just have a metaphor or somethin?
In the 1998 mulan, shan yu was awesome. His character was freaking cool looking, he was a menace and a huge threat, his voice worked great with the character. Just the "boo" when he's hanging from the roof, just a great villan. The live action butchered it because he doesn't even feel like a threat, it feels like he isn't even dangeous without the witch. In the live action he's seemingly useless on hiss own, considered he was beaten by mulan instantly.
The thing that I loved so much in the 1998 movie was how it showed that what made Mulan so special was her ability to think creatively and critically in certain situations, like how she used the weights to climb up the log, fired a cannon into the mountain to cause an avalanche, and especially that whole ending scene where she devised a plan to save the emperor. It made her feel like an actual character with real strengths and weaknesses rather than just a generic strong female character. For this, she was always my favourite Disney princess character growing up because she taught me the value of hard work and dedication and fighting for what you love and that no matter what weighs you down, you can always get up and even use the things weighing you down to actually help you. The fact that this character that was meant to be an inspiration to young girls continues to inspire me, an adult male, just shows how well written she is.
That's why the 2020 adaptation disappointed me so much. They took a character that I admired and looked up to since childhood and made her into a boring, overpowered protagonist with no unique traits other than that she has super magic kung fu powers or whatever. Even my little sister found the movie boring, and she's a huge fan of Mulan. I really don't have much more to say about the live action one because it was just so uninteresting, especially compared to the 1998 animated film which I can talk about for hours.
She proves her creativity early when she has "Little Brother" help her feed the chickens.
I definitely agree that her ingenuity in the first movie was undervalued, but hard work? Women work hard every day and it’s utterly taken for granted. Male protagonists get to be Gary Stu wish fulfilment characters all the damn time and no one bats an eyelid, but when a female protagonist is like that, the world gets angry. I’m sorry that I was ever rude about teenage girls in the 2000s who wrote Mary Sue fanfic; I want them to produce all the movies until we have as many Mary Sues on the big screen as Gary Stus.
@@kiwimusume yes, the world can suspend its disbelief when it comes to anything else in stories apart from women.
I remember people were furious that Brienne was victorious against the Hound in GoT because a "woman could never"... While that world has dragons, giants and countless other impossible things that could "never" exist; but suddenly people only care about realism when it comes to a female character.
The double standards this world has for women is exhausting. There are countless other things to criticize about Mulan 2020 than "a wahman could Neva!!!11!1!1"
Live action Disney is the film industry’s biggest bruh moment
Yep. And they have no respect for their legacy, creating shit for the sake of cash.
The stream of "remakes" is like global warming but for the film industry.
I think creating cheap direct to video sequels of their entire catalog was a bigger bruh moment, but to each their own.
Nono, you mean live action Disney REMAKES. Live action Disney movies are actually good.
@UCJlIzadpmyk_Q23MMIp-xtQ Air Bud?
Hell yeah
Disney seems like they haven’t realized that we don’t actually want “strong female characters.” We want strong characters that just happen to be female. “Strong female characters” aren’t compelling because that’s literally their entire character. Strong characters that just happen to be female have to have other things going for them to be interesting, relatable, or admirable.
For Disney, they are just marking a check-box that some PR people gave them.
Spoods Noodle Doodles I actually kind of liked Rey in Force Awakens and Last Jedi, not gonna lie. Captain Marvel though. Yeah. She’s overall just a big “meh” for me.
@@melfree2545 I agree. For those that complained that it wasn't as good as the original (thinks about the prequels)...no kidding.
@@melfree2545 Rey was fine until TROS imo, she had struggles, pains and a somewhat aggressive personality that was coming through especially in TLJ, she was not perfect in everything she did but still managed to make it work, and had a "pRoBlEmAtIc" potential love interest, which I liked.
Then they made her Super Saiyan One Punch Ninja Womyn Who Don't Need No Man with glorious bloodline in some failed attempt to cater to Reddit's hurt feefees in the last movie, only reinforcing the Mary Sue argument idiots were already ranting about and they lost me there. There was literally no character exploration in that movie.
Cap Marvel is uh.......flat....in all senses of the word lol
LadyKraken I agree. I know this is kinda controversial but I really, really liked TLJ. Rey was a big part of why. I hated TROS so much I mostly pretend it doesn’t exist.
Thank you for speaking up about Xinjiang. I am Chinese, and I firmly believe the CCP is the worst thing happening to my country. By the way, the lead actress in the earlier Mulan movie that you mentioned, Zhaowei, has been "disappeared" for more than a year.
That sounds ominous.
It's also sad how the current Mulan actress went out of her way to say she stands with the Hong Kong Police because theirs nothing more empowering to women or anyone else than supporting a Communist state in the midst of repressing it's people. The Same Communist Government that during it's One China Policy forced tens of thousands of women to have abortions and the vast majority of aborted or post live birth murders were girls who could have grown up to be remarkable women but were instead snuffed out in favor of sons because the Communist State demanded it.
Sometimes to me it's not clear if Chinese actors "support" the government because they really like it or because they don't want to, you know, disappear or whatever else China does to people who oppose them (and being a public figure makes it even harder to go against it because if they survey regular folk, they definitely keep all the tabs on their celebs and what they are saying).
Not defending the main actress, because hey what she said was shifty, but sometimes I wonder how much of those words are genuine and how much is just being afraid of something happening to you or your family.
brainwashed sellout
@@Ukiby3000but was there anything that would prove she was opposing them? Sounds more to me that she went out of her way to support them
Also love how Disney said they were removing the music and fantasy elements like Mushu to make it grounded. Only to then include super-chi, a phoenix, a shapeshifting witch, etc.
Disney has a very good habit of fixing things that aren’t broken
"fixing"
Or at most failing to
fixing?
lazerpie 101, ha...well, to THEM its fixing
They break things that arent broken while trying to fix them.
Disney and this movie in a nutshell:
"Hey thanks China for letting us film right near your concentration camps."
It's literally like thanking hitler's government for filming near their own camps. Purely outright unnacceptable.
It's Pitiful this Trash is controversal when it's just one thing: Trash.
It's insulting the Source Material a dozen times over, directly, indirectly, and directly-indirectly.
Making Mulan JUST A CHOSEN ONE is an Insult.
Plot Holes, Fake-Feminism and Plot Holes - is what i say about this Movie!!!
Damn, it's so bad and yet people dont see that.
I believe alot of it was filmed in New Zealand humorously enough
@@oakleyraverty1030 Yeah I heard that too. But it's still really unethical that they spent any time near those concentration camps. It is true though that the majority of the film was filmed in New Zealand.
legom
24:58 Had me almost speechless. It’s amazing to witness what a simple change of music and effects can do.
I've noticed a really disappointing theme with movies who center around strong female leads. in a lot of them, in order to make her strong, they will resort to giving her super powers. that *undermines the whole point of empowerment.* like... we aren't supernatural in real life. but we can be strong for who we are, though none of these movies that claim to represent that seem to believe that
I consider it an allegory for natural talent, which I have in some areas. The truth of the matter is, I 100% didn’t work harder than my classmates in the classes where I got top marks. They studied hard to pass, just like I did in my weaker subjects. So I don’t consider it offensive to see a female character being better than men at something without breaking a sweat when I did that at a number of academic competitions in my city. Besides, male protagonists get to be supernaturally good at things all the time; I deserve to think of myself that way too.
Disney is just straight up turning into the EA of the movie world
@Mickey Mouse Order your people to stop being so money greedy
Good thing Disney said that they approve of EA's model during the height of the paywall for the battlefront games while renewing EA's license to the franchise as the sole game creators for Star Wars
@Mickey Mouse Even their own mascot hates them now lmao
BRUH you only notice that now?!
Disney has always been like this.
Dreamworks made a better Chinese movie about Jack Black being a panda doing kung-fu than Disney supposedly making a realistic Chinese film.
And Kung Fu Panda is accurate to Chinese culture that when it was released in theaters for the first time, the Chinese were like: "Why wasn't this movie made here in China? Why didn't we make this film?"
Fucking depressing- and the weird panda movie was actually good to...
As a Chinese person I don’t stand for this remake
That whole trilogy of movies was surprisingly good. Dreamworks sometimes just hits it out of the park and gives old school Disney a run for their money.
@@RED_Theory038 at this rate dreamworks may be the new old disney. Disney studios is digging themselves a deeper and deeper hole. And I am a super disney nerd saying this!
mann kung fu panda is lit! Po was actually working hard for his 'chi', while mulan is just... i don't know... because she is just mulan, a main character, who has to be super strong for no reason lol.. i cringe so much watching her as a kid jumping like crazy like what is she?? a mutant? XD
What I loved about cartoon Mulan was that she was flawed, but willing to learn from her mistakes and she had a good heart. The result was a character that may not have been physically strong, but was crafty and hard working. Where others only thought with brute strength, she used her head and came up with unique solutions. The pole climbing scene exemplified this perfectly. It was a problem that everyone tried to solve with pure strength, but Mulan solved it with intelligence. She excelled because she made her attributes work for her and she used her head. In the movie she excels because....... chi. That's it. It takes away so much of her agency and achievement! She's just some shell for the chi that does all the work!
I find that in a lot of "girl power" movies they do this. They try to either force the character to be strong like a man, or they give her some outside mechanical force that makes her... strong like a man. In a story where women did not traditionally fight in the army for cultural reasons it just looks silly to strong arm a female character into a role without making her earn it through her skills and hard work. It makes "girl power" hollow if you're just using the story to force a woman into a traditional male role. She needs to EARN IT. That's the only way anyone is going to believe a woman overcomes the cultural expectations of her country that have existed for thousands of years. Making a character who only fits in with men because of some magical force only makes it more obvious why women can't achieve anything on their own merits.
Couldn't agree more, but I will add one thing. Be careful not to complete flip the other way. Just because someone in film is female, doesn't mean they can't be strong. I'll give you my favourite example, Vasquez from Aliens. Major supporting actor, skill set of brute strength warrior.
This is in the same movie with a major female lead. Who also fought, but who's character was a scientist
The writing of the script was done so well both characters really contributed to the movie, because they were nuanced.
@@fredsmith-kingofthelunatic7810 Oh absolutely. I find it's more of a problem in historical movies where the time period and culture made it unrealistic for a woman to be strong in the modern sense of the word. In more modern and sci fi settings it can be a bit easier to incorporate it naturally. It's one of the the things I enjoy about futuristic stories, where women and men are equally skilled and gender doesn't really play a role in what they can and cannot do. The Expanse, for example. Avasarala is a bad ass who isn't afraid to tell off anyone and she does it in a killer oitfit... and I love her to pieces. Or Draper, a fearless space warrior. Drummer, all authority and calculation. Great characters, men and women alike. They all have their srengths and weaknesses and feel so natural because they are all just people trying to make it throughlife the best they can. We're all just people. ❤
Women have earned every damn inch we’ve gained toward equality. Women fought and died so that I could vote, women have worked twice as hard for half as much as men so that I could get hired outside a few select jobs that men don’t want to do. And throughout history women have worked their damn asses off in the roles they were assigned by patriarchy. I won’t watch this movie out of solidarity for the Uyghurs but holy shit am I tired of the way male protagonists get to be wish fulfilment Gary Stus but women have to prove that they work hard, as if the whole of history isn’t proof of that. I deserve some Mary Sues as treat.
You can’t show that both the bad guy and Mulan are able to dodge arrows and then act like she is in any threat from an arrow, needing the sacrifice of the witch.
this movie basically said, “women can’t be strong without a super power”, while the old movie said “a woman could be just as strong as a man”.
I fucking know. Misses the goddamn point of the first one.
Also basically said that you have to be a 'chosen one' or have 'special powers' just to be good at something, while the original said that anybody can be anything if they are determined.
Honestly, Disney doesn't even care about their own work now.
I think they did that to appeal to China's sexiest government
Nah it wasn't about her being as strong as men 10:39
@@josephk1312 This, thanks
The pole climbing scene wasn't just showing Mulan's ingenuity. She also inspired all the other soldiers.
The original is amazing and it's really good
And showing that by not giving up you eventually understand how to surpass your own limits
You watch the shoulders fail and task by task it slowly transitions to night. It is the dead of night when Mulan is sent home. As she climbs the pole the sun rises as the soldiers watch on; Symbolizing new hope and inspiration.
It also showed that she could use brains Insted of brawn
MR I’LLLL MAKE A MAN OUT OF YOU
The end of “Make a man out of you” where Mulan is climbing the post to reach the arrow as the sun rises is one of the most powerful scenes in Disney history and it gives me chills every time AND THEY CUT IT FROM THE MOVIE!? That was the moment i lost all hope entirely for this dumpster fire of a movie
4:00
Too late....
They've got Moana, too.😭😭😭
Disney: let’s get rid of Mushu, he’ll offend the Chinese audience again and will be inaccurate to actual Chinese culture
Also Disney: EaGlE wItCh!
Let's not forget the fenghuang (phoenix) that pops out of nowhere to give her powers
Mushu is actually rather accurate. Like he’s a small cute liondragon
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Angelo Guerzon ancient China didn't even have witches as a concept. It would have been more accurate to call her a bird spirit
CHi iS a sUPer poWErsS
A love interest that is in a commanding position is uncomfortable. Please pay no mind to the concentration camps in the background
You hit the nail on the head. Horrific.
Wait, you could SEE the camps in the background?
HMMMMMMmmmmmmm
@@aftertalefanatic19 *HHHMMMMMMmmmmm*
@@thepersondotjpg HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Desert Goths*🤣
Fabric Bender*🤣
The hair cutting scene in the animated movie represents her embracing change, representing a new beginning, a new her. She embraced her new self she was going to have to be to join the army, before she had to, knowing she would have to develop as a person and face challenges she hadn't had before, that's why she cut her hair. Not because it would help disguise her/make her more masculine, because, like Elvis Alien said, men had long hair in early China, so she could've kept her hair, but didn't, to embrace change and her new future self, and let go of who she was before.
Mulan 2020: A Chinese movie made by Americans, for Chinese.
That's apparently hated by the Chinese, from what I've heard. For fucking up the original story, and misrepresenting their culture.
And failed
One of those rare times where the Americanised version is superior.
@@calemr Not at all surprised
Can't wait America make another movie from different nation became worse if that happens.
Oh wait....
The 200 million dollars was just the production cost, it doesn't even cover the advertising costs. This means that Disney lost even more money than one might expect... And this does put a smile on my face.
Usually, to get a good result for a movie's box office, the earnings should be at least 3 times the declared production cost. Usually, you should double the declared production cost to come close to the real movie's cost due to publicity etc... If there are rumored re-shoots or other production problems, the cost rises even more.
This means that this move's box office was an absolute shitshow for Disney, after the Mega shitshow that was Star Wars: TROS, and it's their third movie that has not performed well on 3 releases in the last 10 months. It's also their second remake that flops hard.
I am VERY pleased with this, I hope they got the message 😙
Why do they continue with their remakes they are just making it worst I remember when Disney was considered magical now it’s nothing, I wish they would learn from their mistakes but after so many remakes I don’t think they will
LadyKraken I would like to hope for that as well, but my bets are on them doubling down and fucking up another beloved film instead.
“Have I told you the definition of insanity?”
@@jjmidnight9028 They seem scared to tried anything new?
Idk they did Zootopia and Moana...wait know that was too long ago...uhm...Frozen 2 was ok....welp they are scared and need some assured success it seems
..uhm
I mean the purpose of advertising and marketing is to burn money
Not so fun fact: Disney helped pay for China's concentration camp so they could film Mulan cheaply
Damn that Moana joke he makes at the beginning becomes relevant quicker than I thought 😂
Armor: Saves Mulan's life
Mulan: *Takes off armor*
Sliver chariot approves
Max speed. May deal negative damage but hey she quicc even though she didint use that to her advantage for some reason (probably too much work for disney)
@@Justalilsilly armor isn’t that slowing. It can tire you out depending on weight but generally it shouldn’t be too restricting. Of course no armor is less restrictive but to go into a battlefield and taking off your protection? That’s just flat out stupid. Just wearing clothes offers a lot more protection than being naked let alone having proper armor
@Andrei Salvaleon what would her subclass be though?
200 iq play
lmao they basically just randomly gave mulan ultra instinct in this movie.
Lol
@@TheRealGamer872 its too true tho lmao
Disney should make a remake with dragon Ball if that happens and I bet lot of money if they need.
The CCP is good america lies now im going to redeem my social points
Sodover Scourge nah it’s gonna be like dragon ball evolution 2.0
4:00 I'm sorry Elvis.
4:00 well guess what👁️👄👁️
DISNEY is ruining their own movies with these remakes, it’s gotta stop. Just make original new content
*Gasp* Something original?? How could they ever expect to turn a profit on something that isn't even a remake??
I think they’ve ran out of ideas, and that’s why we have these remakes
All of their "original ideas" were stolen anyway. Disney can't be original, because they never were to begin with.
@@antonackermann9620 TRUE, the only originals they have are from Disney channel series or movies or whatever.
Make original new content or make actual live action movies with old animated ones that actually deserve them. I vote for treasure planet :)))
"dishonor on your script, dishonor on your plot, dishonor on your director!"
-mushu 2020 'gone but not forgotten'
Your statement is gold and I just thought you should know that lol.
DISHONOR!!!!
Dishonor on your cow!!!!!
😂🤣
Dishonor on you cash cow!
At 17:55 there is also the incredibly crappy and incorrect archery. She let loose CGI arrows with the wrong grip ( Mediterranean instead on thumb draw) from the wrong side of the bow and with an abysmal technique…
Birb Witch: can summon a swarm of birds for scouting and harassment
Birb Witch: doesn't do that when taking the arrow for Mulan, thus saving herself and Mulan
“We need to be more realistic, get rid of the dragon and add superpowers, a wizard, a witch, and a phoniex.”
Well, withches area thing these days lmao they went full wOkE
should be the exact opposite!!!
Exactly
Yea nothing like bullshit conveniance to make a movie better
dont forget, they got rid of the song ... cuz "realism"
The sound of Disney losing so much money is a beautiful thing.
Next best thing is them filing for bankruptcy
blake e yeah that’s not likely to happen yet. They make billions of $$$ right now
Disney can die after the mandalorian, if there is one thing i hate more than immense greed it's a good job left unfinished
Not much money 💰
For George Lucas and Stan lee.
14:43 If that throwing star thingy was thrown with enough force to send Mulan flying backwards it should’ve penetrated her body and exited out her back akin to a very powerful bullet (or cannon ball since even bullets realistically don’t send you flying). Neither armour nor tiddy-binder would’ve saved her.
Thank you for highlighting the abuses of the Chinese government against the Uyghurs and those in Hong Kong. I hope and pray for their safety and for their freedom from oppression.
I wasn’t a huge fan of the animated movie, but I respect that it was fairly accurate to the legend of Hua Mulan (save the dragon Mushu, Eddie Murphy was more annoying than funny).
Disney deserved to take this L and I refuse to watch another live action remake.*
* I missed “The Jungle Book”, but did watch “Beauty and the Beast” and “The Lion King” in the theaters. I skipped “Aladdin” and will skip “The Little Mermaid” (Lizzo would have *slayed* as Ursula!).
Jungle book was the only good live action, even then it was the sort of movie that was mostly good in theaters
Oh hell yeah Lizzo as Ursula! I’m scared for the remake.
Mulan was actually not trying to prove her womanhood, she was trying to use her Chi to be the Hokage of her village for Respect
-audibly laughs at hokage-
and if she had succeeded saske would've came back on his own
Yup, that's the pan-Asian spin the film was going for, as if that would please China. [insert surprised Pikachu face]
And then everything changed when the fire nation attacked
I have to like when i see a fellow weeb
Disney sucks now, man, they're far past their prime.
man, a lot of notable animation companies suck up to china
e: abominable counted the east china sea as a part of china, which sparked controversy in the phillipines and malaysia
Disney was always a shitty evil company that's incapable of originality. Sorry to break it to ya.
Orbital Films about that...no
The ccp is good america lies about China. Now im gonna redeem my social points
@@step2fr i mean theyre kinda right. disney is a megacorp, they're not the good guys. I don't think theyre unoriginal, but none of their ideas have been theirs, which isn't bad because they always put a unique spin on it so it's kinda their thing. I think disney wouldve died out if they didn't buy pixar--pixar is peak originality and interesting ideas coupled with great animation.
“Desert Goths” is actually perfectly accurate for the people’s being portrayed. There are distinct parallels between the Goths that fought the Romans and these “Desert Goths” fighting the Empire.
that scene where the emperor catches the arrow and mulan returns it to sender is absolutely hilarious.
I miss animated movies.. But they’d probably screw that up too. I hate Disney now.
I miss animated movies that aren't made in the usual "Doll with huge eyes" Pixar 3d style. That's why Into the Spider-verse was such a breath of fresh air. The animation is sooo beautiful and original
Anime is much better!
Did you watch Frozen 2?
I swear that is the worst story for a disney movie. It is a sad time for their movies in general.
Disney is dead. Bury it. Kill if you have to.
camaro rider My opinion of Disney has gone downhill since they worked on the new Star Wars trilogy. These new “live action” movies were just icing on the cake. Not to mention their corporate bs.
Mulans father in the cartoon is still of fighting age, but he’s disabled so he wouldn’t have been of any use in battle. In the live action her father is actually elderly, which begs the question of why his family wouldn’t just be exempt from sending a representative since he has no sons
with this also taking away representation for disabled people
also in the camp, if you fail the training you just get sent home without dishonor
Back in ancient China, officials sent the elderly into battle not because it made strategic sense, but because they thought it was really funny
@@AppiusOS "He has only one leg sir." "Then it'll be twice as funny."
@@AppiusOS to be fair that is pretty funny
im so glad you went into the controversy cause so many channels ignore it when discussing this movie
26:26 I love how they left the part where the emperor struggles to read his lines in the final version of the movie. Like man, couldn't they have done another take?
Disney: Removes songs, Mushu and Lucky Cricket to make it realistic
Also Disney: Adds in a witch and gives Mulan superpowers
And guys running on walls
Basically it's just bs to make the movie sellable to people in China. All they care about it money. And as with Blizzard and the NBA, we'll lose our freedoms through companies because they somehow aren't subject to our laws
You forgot the phoenix
Witches are more of a westernized type of villain as well as superpowers, chi to chinese is your life force not some magic power. So many of these ideas are not even chinese but westernized from hollywood.
I think they have a theory here: remove all of the best parts and add some crazy shit that we barely researched.
and there you go best movie ever!
Disney: we don’t want to appeal to our OG Mulan audience, let’s try to appeal to Chinese audience with bare bones cultural research and zero effort. Oh no neither groups likes the movie????
*shocked pikachu face
nah you had your moment. This isn't the 90s anymore. Unlike most people who are mad that the movie is not identical to the original movie, in my opinion it's a great movie and I highly recommend you all to watch it. It's $40, and that's much cheaper for 4 people going to see it at cinemas. Just please, set your criticism aside and enjoy it.
FallenAngel
We’re not mad that it isn’t identical to the original cartoon version. We’re just saying it’s a disgrace to the message it was supposed to send. Now little girls in this generation are possibly gonna watch this 2020 Mulan film as the original Mulan film and it’s gonna tell them that they’ll always be one step behind men unless they have a naturally born superpower/gift. Mulan is literally about portraying women empowerment. If you don’t care about that and just care about the making of the film in itself, then ur missing the whole point of the film. If this 2020 Mulan film WASN’T identical to the original but still managed to send a message about women empowerment, we, the audience, wouldn’t be complaining. But it didn’t, so it’s why we’re criticizing. I mean, I guess it’s a good film if you only wanna see action and fighting.
@@fallenangel_899 it sucks.
@@fallenangel_899 turn a blind eye to the corporates? Typical
The start of this video made me feel humbled it genuinely sucks that people are STILL going through all of those terrible things :(
4:00 oh no
1998 Mulan:
Fights in the Imperial City
2020 Mulan:
Fights at a construction site 🤦♂️
Bamboo scaffolding lul
@ice BIB Scaffolding is part of a construction site
@@lochnessmonster2277 ikr
@ice BIB Makes wonder what the director was smoking
China looking to build back better?
Disney: Okay, so cutting her hair isn’t historically accurate! Let’s change that!
Also Disney: YES WITCHES, MAGIC, PHEONIX, LETS GOOOOO
FalenDemo5 it’s not a Phoenix tho..it’s a vermillion bird , The bird of the south since they couldn’t use a dragon since it is masculine
FalenDemo5 they called it a Phoenix most likely since western audiences wouldn’t understand it
@@-rosaaxens-4017 --- huh, I'm sorry, I forgot to research.
FalenDemo5 it’s ok no need to apologise
@@-rosaaxens-4017 who cares, it's a magic fucking bird
having long hair in a fight, shows you that the screen writers never have been in a fight
You don't even need to be in a fight... you just have to have long hair for once to see the struggles it brings in daily life already!
Lol, it's too late to save Moana now
Disney: Yeah woman can be as strong as men...as long as they have superpowers like 'chi' or 'the force.'
Aka a handicap
This movie is so empowering to women that it doesn’t even need any of the original motifs that display woman empowerment that the original animated version had, it doesn’t even need to have any. You just need to take their word, it’s empowering to women, trust them.
Polverine74 that’s exactly how it was haha how dare you hate it CLEARLY it’s about empowering women even if she is not empowers on her own without some preexisting magic
Sandra Hernandez if it was about female empowerment they wouldn’t have written her like a Mary Sue and not use “Chi” as a excuse for lazy writing
Polverine74 agreed. i don’t know how disney didn’t see how chi would undermine the original they took all the heart away from it
Nothing warms my heart more than cynical cash grabs failing miserably
i hope all of them fail, not even joking. i feel no pity for the amount of nostalgical garbage they are trying to feed the younger generation with, and trying to feed me and the older generations, as if it was actually even worth something at all
i hope every last one fails miserably. the only way i'll forgive them if it one of them deserves the success, not ripping off the success of something good while making it worst.
@@drewnames651
I’m right there with you, bruv.
@@drewnames651 you just summed up my anger perfectly, thank you
@@drewnames651 Yep. Perfectly said.
The hand
holy shit a Trebuchet... Han dynasty was the second imperial dynasty of China (202 BC - 220 AD)... The first recorded use of a trebuchet is in Europe in the 12th century. Who let Biff use the time machine again?
4:00 that aged well
As a martial artist with long hair, I can confirm: letting your hair down in the middle of a fight sucks, not just because it gets everywhere, but if you turn fast enough, that shit be slapping you in the eyes.
Partially why I cut a good portion of my hair off during quarantine... You don't want to give people the opportunity to grab you by the hair and slit your throat. I live in a neighborhood where that could actually happen too so...
honestly!! as a marist artist, i couldn’t go 5 minutes doing martial arts with the my hair down.
My Brand I mean, you’re right but you didn’t really need to be a duck about bro.
@My Brand you put way too much effort into that comment. Go outside, chill, get friends, get a gf, marry, have kids and live a good life.
You know, it's hard for me: Normally, i would seperate the actual Movie 'Mulan' from the Real Life. Look at them seperately.
But this... THIS is just an extreme case and i dont know how to do it here.
All this is so insane.
The Movie is full of Cringe, Fake-Feminism and Plot Holes - yet, the Real Life has way crazier problems and I'm starting to think China is so off-track from the rest of humanity that some Nation should - no kidding - invade China and take over, so the Supression ends... Or something like this!
I know this normally isnt right, but... i believe there is a 'Point' where such a thing is justified. Of course this point is by no means easy to reach, but... it's possible to reach, you know?
Oh, i don't know.
You know it’s a good day when Disney losses millions of dollars.
Yes!
Aaayy you're the phoenix
Now This puts a smile on my face.
Rise like a phoenix, and desecrate the holy hell out of this movie
Not when you own stocks to leach money off of them
11:52 And may i add that their relationship wasn't even that explored in the movie till the very end. They were basically colleagues.
What’s also annoying is that they could use the chi element, but actually, I don’t know, look up what chi actually is. The whole point of it is that literally everyone has chi. Some people can control it through lots of practice and lots of work. Which writes itself how this could help Mulan.
I feel a lot of respect for Elvis discussing the Uighur camps. He’s using his platform to both entertain and inform.
I was looking for some appreciation like this but all the other comments are about Mulan 😅
Ngl, I had no idea. Holy shit. Makes you wonder what other horrendous things are going on around the world.
Facts
HELL YES, I really appreciate when RUclipsrs take the effort to do research. I cannot help it, Elvis has become one of my favorites.
I didn't have a clue about this Uighur situation. I know that China is a hell hole for human beings and animals, so this doesn't come as a surprise. Fucking China.
It's some scary shit, I hope everyone researches it more. A shame that the world allows it 😔
Isn’t kind of ironic that the actress of mulan, the female Chinese hero who stopped a war is in support of police brutality.
It shouldn't matter tbh, sure the movie has a lot of problems, and is pretty shit overall. But disliking it because the actress supports something you dont? Kinda gay.
Joey Ryan Theres so many things wrong with your comment. It’s not just a “disagreement”, people are in concentration camps and she literally came out and supported that. It’s not like saying you won’t support someone bc they prefer chocolate ice cream over vanilla, people are being murdered. Also, gay isn’t an insult.
Joey Ryan police brutality shouldn’t be politicized it’s a human rights issue
@@zr5581 So? The movie has nothing to do with it, thats my point. Its like when people were pissed at Blizzard and decided to boycott them by not playing World of warcraft. Congratulations, by not playing a game you're helping those being oppressed in china. People love to say somethings bad and they don't condone it, but do fuck all about it.
@@anyalaASMR Louis Ck has the perfect bit about calling things gay, it is an insult when describing certain things. Like being upset about this movie just because the actress defended her home countries actions.
OG Mulan: "a woman can be just as, if not more capable than a man, through determination, wit, intelligence, creativity and compassion"
Mulan 2020: "you can only be as capable as a man if you have just straight up superpowers"
Just my personal replay button, feel free to use it, 3:50
Bandai Namco & Monolith Soft Buy It Disney & Square Enix Angry Say: 3:53
Disney: gets rid of Mushu to make the movie more "realistic"
Also Disney: puts in a bunch of bs superpowers and thanks the ccp for using an internment camp.
Wow...
Edit: Watching this again, while I can see why they would remove the comedy relief characters for a more serious tone and to respect the culture, what about the pheonix? I thought that was part of Greek mythology. Am I missing something?
😆
Yee this what they get for removing the homie mushu
and the pheonix, don't forget the pheonix
They removed Wushu because the chinese government felt that Wushu was a bad representation of their culture, even Elvis told so.
@@blobbertmcblob4888 That too.
Disney is simply going to remake every animated movie to milk it for as much money as possible.
Aye
Oh my, you again?
Petition to make live action chicken little
Disney is dead
thankfully this one is a loss
It is, like. genuinely amazing to me how Disney can make fight scenes look so cheap. Like omg the part where the witch threw the little shuriken at Mulan and she fell like 20 FEET BACKWARDS made me laugh so much
I thought I was watching an Anime fight for a sec
24:58 Ed, Edd and Eddy's music and sound effects made this scene soooo much better.
1998: Somehow I'll make a man out of you
2020: Somehow I'll make 30 bucks out of you
🤣😭 Lmao!
This is genious
👏👏👏👏Accurate👏👏👏👏
Lmao
Lmao!
Just remember that a woman can't do anything without magical powers!
All these "pro woman" and feminist empowering movies are the absolute complete opposite of what they're trying to "achieve". I'm tired of it as a woman. I love Mulan as a kid, I saw her work hard and train to be strong, she wasn't good at the start, she sucked but she kept trying and trying. She was a problem solver, she probably couldn't win against the strongest Hun warriors but she figured out ways to keep them away by problem solving and she also taught men that's it's okay to be feminised even if it's for war.
Just... They failed so much.
bruh moment #2
“women weak without magic power from uhmmmm powerful gods” - disney
Love your username 💗💙🤍
Hell yea
the edited arrow kick scene had me laughing my ass off hahahaha
There are actual fans of this abomination, including someone I used to call a friend, until he became a "male feminist" oh & a predator, he recently went to prison for impregnating a 14 year old girl. Seems to be a connection with male feminists & predatory behaviour. Hmmm someone should look into that.
I hate this world and I only been here for only 13 years
So they took out Mushu because they wanted a more grounded, less supernatural movie. Buttttt they have a witch and and Mulan has chi powers...right.... Disney logic
bruhhhhhh I thought that to when I found out there was going to be a witch after finding out they weren't putting in mushu
Actually I heard they took out Mushu because a few Chinese people found Mushu to be somewhat insulting in a way. Which is ironic because Disney ended up being more insulting to China.
@@linkingglagoon8254 I have this idea where Mushu is a dragon reluctantly bound to a human form and forced to oversee Mulan's safety by order of the heavenly court.
I think Disney and other big corporations like RUclips are just completely ignorant to what people want and in the pursuit of making things "advertiser friendly" end up making everything hundred times worse
Also a kite-looking phoenix
I pirated this movie and still want a refund..
You're my kind of person
You deserve one. They stole your time.
@@bat2718 *you're* kind of person
@@ArturGlass.C I haven't watched the movie and I want a refund
@Cappald right apologies
Has anyone else noticed how Mulan, like, does the exact same fighting move throughout the live action film? Like she does a backflip and kicks a spear toward someone like 5 different times in the film.
Isn't that called _one trick pony_ ?
4:00 this didn't age well.
I would love to see your reaction to the Moana live action remake announcement.