I recently got a Coca-Cola 16-inch disc from around 1936 and thought I'd have no way to play it. I have this same turntable and never would have thought of playing it upside down! Thank you so much!
Awesome! Some of the older Tehcnichs won't play in reverse and people play it using my method except they play it forward, record it, then reverse it in Audacity. But if you have the same model you are set! Let me know how it works out!
The thought that went into this alone made me subscribe to your channel, congrats man, it's awesome. I have plenty of 7, 10 and 12 inch records, and I never knew about the 16 inch ones, I guess you never stop learning stuff, thanks a lot dude, great video
Had a few of these found in a library archive that were RCA single sided discs. They felt almost like an acetate as they were almost metallic feeling with a coating. The old RCA logo with beautiful spiderweb pattern embossed. One was military bugle calls and another was a radio ad disc of commercials for Ex-Lax.
@@ThatVinylChannel but you still would have to play your turntable backwards whether you put the stylus on top or on the underside. See your on disc (at 6:08 ) ""LATERAL CUT, OUTSIDE IN." That is how all of those special giant platter 16rpm vintage radio broadcast 16rpm turntables from the 1930s and 1940s worked for these special 16rpm broadcast transcription discs.
@@RaBob "Lateral Cut, Outside In" means a typical record. It plays starting on the outside and works its way inwards towards the center of the record like most records even today are made. Yes, some of these 16" records were made with what is known as a reverse groove (plays from the inside out) but this 16" disc wasn't. Lateral cut means the sound is cut left to right (parallel to the record). The grooves literally wiggle back and forth laterally. Rather than vertical grooves (hill & dale) cut records.
Nice! When I bought this one it was originally going to be the same but after I bought the Techinics 1200MK7, I realized I had a good chance to play it as I could modify the turntable to do so. What years are yours from?
I don't remember when mine are from. I bought 3 for a dollar at a thrift store! I'm a sucker for oddities such as those! Here's a video where i showed mine: ruclips.net/video/lM-Ny2OAIBo/видео.html
@@VinylHunter Cool video. Subscribed to you! Have you ever heard of a Vinyldisc? Its a vinyl record put on the back of a CD. They play at 33rpm usually about 3 minutes of music. I have a couple of them in my collection.
I have the Holsum Bread one shown on my channel plus a dozen CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) transcriptions. I have used the tonearm from a kiddie turntable left on neutral to play them
this transcirption disc must play backwards, ie, IN REVERSE, whether you put the stylus on the top of the record or upside down as you've done here. 16pm radio broadcast transcription discs in the 1930s and 1940s were cut to play from the center of the disc to the outer rim... backwards from later commercial 33rpm and 45rpm vinyl. If you play the record from the top, you still have to have the ability on your turntable to track the stylus from the center to the outer rim.... just like those "special turntables" that radio stations had in the 1930s and 1940s for 16-inch transcription disc that ran at 16 rpm and were paired with a broadcaster's RCA BC6B mixboard. "LATERAL CuT OUTSIDE IN." It's printed right on the label there at 6:08 Thanks for sharing your solution to play this. Well done
This 16" record plays from the outside rim inwards towards the center. As do two other 16" transcription records I have. Only some have a reverse groove and play from the center outward.
Greetings, I have about 30 of those records, 16 inches in diameter and I don't know where to get a cheap record player to listen to them, they are from an English radio station in Fresno California..
Pretty much any turntable that has a removable headshell you could use the same technique I used in this video. The cheapest one brand new would be about $199.00. You can find them second hand for less.
No, not a modification. On the MK7, there are DIP switches under the platter I had to set to enable functionality as it did not come with it turned on from the factory. I am uncertain about the MKII. I just spent a few minutes glancing at the MKII's user manual online. I did not see a mention of DIP switches like the MK7 has and no mention of reverse capabilities.
Great stuff, thank you for posting this video! I am planning to use your method for a 16" with vital content that I have just acquired. Fortunately my everyday AT turntable reverses direction and flips the cartridge, no problem. May I ask, did you find that the record itself was stable in this sort of free-floating position? That is the contact between stylus and groove made for consistent audio pick-up, especially out near the record's edge? It seems like gravity might be working against us, somewhat. I will likely construct a simple but more stable, centered platform than the ceramic cup, but also wondering if some 16" diameter weighting (even just a couple more records) over the record top might be in order? The idea is to duplicate the stability achieved by a solid record-sized turntable and a label sized weight on the spindle, but all in reverse, or inverse. What do you think? And thanks!
It was stable enough to play the record all the way through which is what I wanted to achieve. Getting the stylus to start at the lead-in groove proved challenging as the stylus wanted to "dance" on the record. I probably had the counterweight too light and I could have spent more time on it but since this was a one-time thing I just wanted it to work (which it did) so I didn't spend as much time as I should have adjusting the counterweight. A wider cup in the center would have helped and the one I used could have been a few centimeters shorter. But, you have the center label and run out grooves to contend with so there is a limit to how wide the center cup can be. I did use a record weight on the center as can be seen in the video which I think helped to make it a bit more stable, as well.
@@ThatVinylChannel OK, my HUGE record arrived yesterday so I am off to the wood shop to work out my playing platform. One more question, upper level for me at least, what should be done about the tone arm wiring when the cartridge is used upside down by rotating the bayonet connection 180 degrees?
@@user-lw8ly2pg6r I wouldn't worry about it. Think about this. Stereo was not introduced until 1958. You're gonna have a mono signal either way. If you have a mono stylus that would work even better but a stereo stylus will shunt the signal out both channels so it doesn't matter turning it upside down reverses the channels. They are still mono.
Of course, this could not be placed on a spindle. I had to center it by eye. Nor was this meant to be high fidelity in any way. That being said, I think I did a fairly good job of centering it and the sound was better than I expected.
Well, 10 points for working out a way to play the disc, and you were fortunate this was 'lateral' cut as opposed to Vertical. Otherwise you would have heard very little. These discs also require NAB EQ curve as opposed to RIAA. If you want to get the most from any record format, graduate from an Technics SL1200 to a Technics SP15 or SP10 MKII. 16" discs are no issue for me. I have had hundreds of them. ruclips.net/video/oVthkubpn_U/видео.html
This is an SL1200 Mark 7. Which type do you have? Did you have to move anything to get it to fit? I was aware of the different EQ involved but I figured it wouldn't matter a huge deal.
I posted a link so you could see it. I have a Technics SP15 with an Audio Technica ATP-12T tonearm on the Technics SH15-B-2 base. The SP series is the professional series by Technics used in studios and professional archiving and conservation. I can play a 16" directly, as well as all other record formats. Here is the link, again: ruclips.net/video/oVthkubpn_U/видео.html @@ThatVinylChannel
Yeah, its a pretty old record and it was scuffed a bit when I received it from the Ebay seller. Not everyone takes the best care of these records over the years unfortunately.
Yeah, there are better sounding ones but to think I just paid $10 off Ebay I wasn't expecting it to sound pristine. I am happy with the way it sounds, it could have been a lot worse.
hi a otari mtr 12 will play the tape two ways and at 3 speed i never seen one played this way before getting the record right when putting it on right is a pain have you seen people on here trying to play a 14 inch reel to reel tape x 1/4 inch tape it can be done i have a tascam 38 scully 280-14 deck used a mix of 2 decks to make one
The other possibility is to digitize it playing backwards, and correct it with software after recording.
Absolutely!
I recently got a Coca-Cola 16-inch disc from around 1936 and thought I'd have no way to play it. I have this same turntable and never would have thought of playing it upside down! Thank you so much!
Awesome! Some of the older Tehcnichs won't play in reverse and people play it using my method except they play it forward, record it, then reverse it in Audacity. But if you have the same model you are set! Let me know how it works out!
@@ThatVinylChannel I had to play it backwards, from the inside out, but my results were pretty good!
@@krashsite2125 Great! Glad I could help!
The thought that went into this alone made me subscribe to your channel, congrats man, it's awesome. I have plenty of 7, 10 and 12 inch records, and I never knew about the 16 inch ones, I guess you never stop learning stuff, thanks a lot dude, great video
Thank you! Glad to have you here! Yup, we definitely do not stop learning stuff.
Just wow. Never even knew this was possible.
Had a few of these found in a library archive that were RCA single sided discs. They felt almost like an acetate as they were almost metallic feeling with a coating. The old RCA logo with beautiful spiderweb pattern embossed. One was military bugle calls and another was a radio ad disc of commercials for Ex-Lax.
It’s so cool how you did that! Thank you for showing us
You're very welcome.
Great job finding out how to play it, fantastic 😀🤘👍
Thanks!
@@ThatVinylChannel but you still would have to play your turntable backwards whether you put the stylus on top or on the underside. See your on disc (at 6:08 ) ""LATERAL CUT, OUTSIDE IN." That is how all of those special giant platter 16rpm vintage radio broadcast 16rpm turntables from the 1930s and 1940s worked for these special 16rpm broadcast transcription discs.
@@RaBob "Lateral Cut, Outside In" means a typical record. It plays starting on the outside and works its way inwards towards the center of the record like most records even today are made. Yes, some of these 16" records were made with what is known as a reverse groove (plays from the inside out) but this 16" disc wasn't. Lateral cut means the sound is cut left to right (parallel to the record). The grooves literally wiggle back and forth laterally. Rather than vertical grooves (hill & dale) cut records.
I did and it works very well, thanks!
@@madiscos Awesome!
Very cool! I've got a few of those 16" records! I can't play them though. I just got them as a conversation piece.
Nice! When I bought this one it was originally going to be the same but after I bought the Techinics 1200MK7, I realized I had a good chance to play it as I could modify the turntable to do so. What years are yours from?
I don't remember when mine are from. I bought 3 for a dollar at a thrift store! I'm a sucker for oddities such as those! Here's a video where i showed mine: ruclips.net/video/lM-Ny2OAIBo/видео.html
@@VinylHunter Cool video. Subscribed to you! Have you ever heard of a Vinyldisc? Its a vinyl record put on the back of a CD. They play at 33rpm usually about 3 minutes of music. I have a couple of them in my collection.
That's new to me! Never heard of it!
Ditto along with Edison discs
Genius level!
Well, at least above average. Glad you enjoyed the video!
Brilliant! I’ll have to see if it’s possible to flip my stylus and try this.
If you have a removable headshell, it should work.
I have the Holsum Bread one shown on my channel plus a dozen CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) transcriptions. I have used the tonearm from a kiddie turntable left on neutral to play them
Awesome! Yeah, I have seen others on RUclips use that method. Glad you got them to play!
this transcirption disc must play backwards, ie, IN REVERSE, whether you put the stylus on the top of the record or upside down as you've done here. 16pm radio broadcast transcription discs in the 1930s and 1940s were cut to play from the center of the disc to the outer rim... backwards from later commercial 33rpm and 45rpm vinyl. If you play the record from the top, you still have to have the ability on your turntable to track the stylus from the center to the outer rim.... just like those "special turntables" that radio stations had in the 1930s and 1940s for 16-inch transcription disc that ran at 16 rpm and were paired with a broadcaster's RCA BC6B mixboard. "LATERAL CuT OUTSIDE IN." It's printed right on the label there at 6:08 Thanks for sharing your solution to play this. Well done
This 16" record plays from the outside rim inwards towards the center. As do two other 16" transcription records I have. Only some have a reverse groove and play from the center outward.
Cool can you talk about 16rpm records and do you have any?
Unfortunately I do not own any 16rpm records.
Greetings, I have about 30 of those records, 16 inches in diameter and I don't know where to get a cheap record player to listen to them, they are from an English radio station in Fresno California..
Pretty much any turntable that has a removable headshell you could use the same technique I used in this video. The cheapest one brand new would be about $199.00. You can find them second hand for less.
Is the reverse play a modification? Will my SL1200MKII do this?
No, not a modification. On the MK7, there are DIP switches under the platter I had to set to enable functionality as it did not come with it turned on from the factory. I am uncertain about the MKII. I just spent a few minutes glancing at the MKII's user manual online. I did not see a mention of DIP switches like the MK7 has and no mention of reverse capabilities.
@@ThatVinylChannel Ok, thank you.
Great stuff, thank you for posting this video! I am planning to use your method for a 16" with vital content that I have just acquired. Fortunately my everyday AT turntable reverses direction and flips the cartridge, no problem. May I ask, did you find that the record itself was stable in this sort of free-floating position? That is the contact between stylus and groove made for consistent audio pick-up, especially out near the record's edge? It seems like gravity might be working against us, somewhat. I will likely construct a simple but more stable, centered platform than the ceramic cup, but also wondering if some 16" diameter weighting (even just a couple more records) over the record top might be in order? The idea is to duplicate the stability achieved by a solid record-sized turntable and a label sized weight on the spindle, but all in reverse, or inverse. What do you think? And thanks!
It was stable enough to play the record all the way through which is what I wanted to achieve. Getting the stylus to start at the lead-in groove proved challenging as the stylus wanted to "dance" on the record. I probably had the counterweight too light and I could have spent more time on it but since this was a one-time thing I just wanted it to work (which it did) so I didn't spend as much time as I should have adjusting the counterweight. A wider cup in the center would have helped and the one I used could have been a few centimeters shorter. But, you have the center label and run out grooves to contend with so there is a limit to how wide the center cup can be. I did use a record weight on the center as can be seen in the video which I think helped to make it a bit more stable, as well.
@@ThatVinylChannel OK, my HUGE record arrived yesterday so I am off to the wood shop to work out my playing platform. One more question, upper level for me at least, what should be done about the tone arm wiring when the cartridge is used upside down by rotating the bayonet connection 180 degrees?
@@user-lw8ly2pg6r I wouldn't worry about it. Think about this. Stereo was not introduced until 1958. You're gonna have a mono signal either way. If you have a mono stylus that would work even better but a stereo stylus will shunt the signal out both channels so it doesn't matter turning it upside down reverses the channels. They are still mono.
What kind of adapters did you use for playing 16 inch record?
Everything is in the video. Much easier than trying to break it all down here.
@@ThatVinylChannel Thanks, what is hight of red adapter?
@@raimondsmezaks1569 Oh, that. It's really not an adapter per see. Its a ceramic crock or souffle bowl. Its 2 inches high.
@@ThatVinylChannel Thank you!
how's wow and flutter?
Of course, this could not be placed on a spindle. I had to center it by eye. Nor was this meant to be high fidelity in any way. That being said, I think I did a fairly good job of centering it and the sound was better than I expected.
While the method used here is effective, there are better ways.
Well, 10 points for working out a way to play the disc, and you were fortunate this was 'lateral' cut as opposed to Vertical. Otherwise you would have heard very little.
These discs also require NAB EQ curve as opposed to RIAA.
If you want to get the most from any record format, graduate from an Technics SL1200 to a Technics SP15 or SP10 MKII. 16" discs are no issue for me. I have had hundreds of them.
ruclips.net/video/oVthkubpn_U/видео.html
This is an SL1200 Mark 7. Which type do you have? Did you have to move anything to get it to fit? I was aware of the different EQ involved but I figured it wouldn't matter a huge deal.
I posted a link so you could see it. I have a Technics SP15 with an Audio Technica ATP-12T tonearm on the Technics SH15-B-2 base. The SP series is the professional series by Technics used in studios and professional archiving and conservation.
I can play a 16" directly, as well as all other record formats. Here is the link, again:
ruclips.net/video/oVthkubpn_U/видео.html
@@ThatVinylChannel
It’s hilarious that it’s possible to play one of these on a dj turntable. Laughably scuffed too.
Yeah, its a pretty old record and it was scuffed a bit when I received it from the Ebay seller. Not everyone takes the best care of these records over the years unfortunately.
Morton Downey was the father of TV talk host Morton Downey Jr
You can look it up on Wikipedia He comes from a big show biz family.
Wow, thanx! Didn't know that.
sounds great for 1946, shame there is so much noise
Yeah, there are better sounding ones but to think I just paid $10 off Ebay I wasn't expecting it to sound pristine. I am happy with the way it sounds, it could have been a lot worse.
hi a otari mtr 12 will play the tape two ways and at 3 speed i never seen one played this way before getting the record right when putting it on right is a pain
have you seen people on here trying to play a 14 inch reel to reel tape x 1/4 inch tape it can be done
i have a tascam 38 scully 280-14 deck used a mix of 2 decks to make one
very cool about the tape. unfortunately, I have never messed with reel-to-reel players at all.