Great video Nate I think the point about vehicles testing different in game maps vs test tracks is a great one. As they have multiple layers of stuff going in compared to 1 type or mud. I’m sure this took a long time so thanks for all your efforts and keep it up.
Thanks JJ. I probably should have mentioned the strip increases its texture as the tract goes on, but indeed the game is a much better representation of performance
The best part of this dlc for me, as a returning player starting fresh, is that you can get mud tires/offroad tires early. Cuts a lot of the annoying crawling around you have to do on highway tires when ranking up.
Overall, this is a great DLC. The new tires add a lot of flavor to the game and bring many of the older and less specialized trucks up to standard with the DLC trucks that have somewhat powercrept them, all without disrupting the balance too much or being outright pay-to-win. I'm going to take the results from the timed test with a pretty heavy pinch of salt though. Putting a ton weight over the rear axles without hitching a trailer and then sending it into the mud seems to bias the results in favor of thinner, more aggressive tires. In my experience, these kinds of tires really suffer when you hitch up a trailer and have to pull weight over a dead axle. Under these conditions, I find that more aggressive tires like the OHSs and UODs tend to quickly overwhelm soft ground, rip it up, and then get stuck in the mud they create (not to mention the damage they do to dirt roads you have to use for multiple trips). This is, in my opinion, the most overlooked positive of this DLC. Many trucks that were stuck with single narrow MHS1/DMHS/OHS tires (like the DAN and Derry 4520) and UODs (like many American trucks) as their best options seemed to have a much harder time pulling big trailer loads than options with wider, less aggressive tires; JAT MHS tires for the former and JAT OMD tires for the latter really seem to help bring them up to speed. As an aside, I'm just plain skeptical of the whole "cutting the mud" idea. For all the test results that everyone produces I've yet to make it work in practice. Every time I try to, I end up bogged down in mud that less aggressive tires would have ridden right over.
Keep in mind that addon is heavier than some large loads on a semi in the game at 12 metric tons which is why I chose it. Pulling a hitch trailer is a good playstyle and all but concerning friction, you’re actually just hindering yourself. The reason I’ve used the fuel addon is it put significant amount of weight on the rear axle, kinda like a semi would. Every tire has a threshold and this test strip gets deeper with every marker point and still the tires did pretty well. My in game testing showed things that were a little different, but still every tire has a limit. You can be skeptical of the results and it’s odd.. I know, but it’s been tested for more than 2 years. In thick spots in game, ya the wider OHDs are just gonna go through things with weight on their back axles. However I did say that this is a good sidegrade with the increased width and did mention it would be a good option to folks for added buoyancy and balance. I think they are a good to have options in scenarios, but overall I like that there are width bonuses especially for the NA smaller trucks
@@NProvince The issue I have isn't so much with the amount of weight as it is where the weight is distributed. Even if you're carrying 12t of the densest standard cargo in the game (concrete), there's no way to get all 12t of that over your drive wheels unless you're playing a TwinSteer or doing stuff like stacking it unpacked on top of your flatbed (which I know some people do, but that's an awfully risky way to play if you ask me). If you're running a 2x flatbed and 2x trailer, that's 6t over the rear wheels and 6t on dead axles. If you're running a semi trailer, the weight distribution is going to be better but even giving a generous estimate I can't imagine more than 9t of the weight actually being on the drive wheels most of the time. These are the conditions under which I do most bulk cargo hauling, and (unless I'm completely out of touch with this game) most others do as well. While it may not be optimal from a grip standpoint, I can't imagine using nothing but a 2x or 3x bed to do all the bulk cargo contracts on a level like Yukon without going stark-raving mad. It'd be interesting to see how the tires would stack up in a test with a loaded 5th wheel instead of the fuel. If I'm right, I suspect the results in a few categories would reverse themselves.
@@Sliphantom Just ran tests on a strip that gets deeper as you drive with a loaded Semi trailer on a DAN96320 (4.4t semi trailer w/ 10t oil rig) with the OHS2 tires VS The new JAT MHS tires. The OHS2 did not have to downshift to Low from Low+ and did not succumb to sinking. The New JAT MHS tires had wheel spin issues on that last portion of the test strip forcing a downshift to no sink. They all finished, but at the meters per second, the OHS2 doubled their speed at the end. These things really depend upon things I mentioned in the video, ground clearance is a huge factor, but also tires are performing as I expected they would on real snowrunner maps where 95% of my testing has taken place over the past 3 years. I would use a double tire if I can, but if not I believe the OHS2 is the best option. Still I believe the JAT tires are a good side grade and well balanced for adequate grip and width for stability without going either all in on grip like the OHS2 or all in on Stability like the MHS2
@@NProvince That really surprises me. The JAT MHS tires felt like a straight upgrade over the OHS2s on everything, especially in really soupy terrain. Maybe I'm more remembering encounters with submerged mud, or maybe its just my driving style.
It probably is just really thick patches. The thing is, your choice on the new JATs is STILL a great option and I probably will switch them out to use the JATs because I’m not too concerned with fast times. I like balance a lot
Looks like the biggest upgrade is for the small scouts that don't have uod or their own special tires (like Yar87, Tatarin). From 1.6 mud for MS1 to Jat MS3's 2.5 is a huge upgrade. Otherwise, agreed, it's mostly a sidegrade and the old tires still perform well. Maybe we'll see some new things as we play and discover some more differences.
Agreed, Trucks that have special tires are still really good. For the smaller scouts I think these are a good upgrade. I found it crazy that the Yars tires still did that good in comparission, but its kinda cool as well
Scouts and heavy trucks got a traction buff. The highway, heavy duty and off road trucks don’t get much of a traction buff, but they have wider tires that help with stability. Also the dual mud tires on some small Russian trucks can be better than Tayga tires in some instances.
Great job on testing all these new tires! I like how these new tires seems pretty balanced compared to the originals. The devs could easily have made them super good and made the old ones completly obsolete, but im glad they didnt.
Thank you Nate for this very useful tires-testing video, I'm sure it will help the community. At this point it's safe to say that except for scouts and superheavy trucks, the OG tires are still the go-to for most scenarios, but it's always nice to get improved stability and overall variety fromn these new tires.
I think that’s safe to say. Swapping the other tires in and out of your rotation will be a change of pace. I like this idea because you’re not losing significant performance by using a sidegrade
Not mentioned in the video, the test strip used here gets deeper at every marker simulating entering a deeper condition of mud. While The JAT Tires seem objectively better In some cases; The OG tires still seem to be near the top of the charts as far as testing is concerned. In the Conclusion we talk about how some tires could be used from a case by case basis. From Testing & Referencing Other testers data, we have all found similar results across the board with a few differnces.The TWO videos linked are very interesting if you’d like more tire/performance info. 1st Tire Video & Tips For MudRunnin: ruclips.net/video/dIILT6cWQsE/видео.htmlsi=Rt-1G8NKQ84lK5GZ 2nd Tire Video (Still Relevant After Evidence Found In Current Video: ruclips.net/video/V8lEcwFleFo/видео.htmlsi=cGQiDG98Qsi4rs-h Stream TESTING: ruclips.net/video/gZ7rjZOVvFU/видео.htmlsi=am7C_LXguc9JA5x2
Great as always, thanks for testing these out. I'm happy that the JAT are a good sidegrade, and that the difference in time between them in a lot of cases were insignificant.
Indeed, timing isn’t the most important. Also I did not mention that the mud pit got deeper as we went through markers. Thats why near the end some tires really got slowed down
the fact the trucks themselves can have an impact on which tire can be chosen, makes this a good/interesting dlc imo also thx for taking the time to make these comparisons
The thing I appreciate most about the tire pack is the addition of the new MHS mud tires. Some trucks that were stuck with OHS tires as their best option now have a wider choice that's excellent in mud.
Hi Nate! Kinda late with this but i revisited this video to compare JAT OMD 3 and JAT MMD 3 performance and i noticed that the shown values for the JAT OMD 3 at 4:40 are questionable, doesn't match with the values in Vlad Vulcan's Ultimate Snowrunner Data Spreadsheet in which the JAT OMD 3 friction values are : Asphalt: 0.8; Ground/Rock: 3.1; Mud/Snow: 1.8. I guess it's just a typo but clarification would be appreciated, Cheers !
Could be a small typo or I believe the OMDs did get a small buff shortly after this video, but the tests should really be the defining factor. I think folks get too caught up on friction coefficients. There is a lot more going on than just stats when it comes to performance as shown. Thank you for pointing that typo out :)
I did some tests by modifying the game files. I finally think I understand it completely. If there is not too much mud and the truck's clearance (but probably also its weight) allows you to hit a hard surface under the mud, use thinner tires with a high BodyFriction value. If the mud is really deep, nothing will help except wide tires (to keep the truck afloat - so basically only Tayga tires) and a high SubstanceFriction factor may help. Dual tires at the rear only help a little because the front dives and generates a lot of friction. In general, a high SubstanceFriction factor for narrower tires (assuming the truck weighs a bit) is probably not useful at all. Again, a wide tire, in medium and small mud it will be worse because it will not hit a hard surface. Worse (it will be slower), but it won't get stuck in very deep mud. Everything in between is some kind of balance. Now it doesn't surprise me that narrow tires are usually better (better means faster), because really deep mud is very rare. But it will just get stuck in this very deep mud. So Tayga tires are the best. They are not the fastest, but they have the best chance of not getting stuck. Additionally, they provide the best stability.
Keep in mind that mud strip in the video getts deeper with every marker and it was actually pretty deep. To be honest, the balloons are the slowest through anything other than super mud and in 2023, I dont find merit in them because they are the least occuring area Since Amur and why just drive through those conditions anyways ya know? I would rather take a faster way. I've looked at all of xt-fletchers info on this and leaning in on folks that understand this as well. I do think you're on the right with understanding these. I just dont think the TMHS or AMHS tires are the pick over other tires inho
@@NProvince They are not the best, but they are definitely the most stable. Using thinner tires reduces stability. It's true that there is no deep mud anymore. Difficult choice with these tires. At first I thought that MHS II and UOD II were the best tires, then it became more complicated, and now that I understand it, it is so complicated that thinking about it worsens my enjoyment of the game. I believe that the stability of the tire (due to its width) is a very important factor. If you tip over, you will lose much more time.
I could see the JAT tires being good on certain stability challenged trucks like the Vorons or a lot of the NA trucks. On the Kolobs, I think being able to tractor through super mud a little faster with the OG MSH2s is still going to win out, the Kolobs are not exactly stability challenged. For Tayga and ANK, I still don't really see a compelling reason to not use the TMHS/AMHS tires due to their better stability, ESPECIALLY on the ANK. They definitely look like a very nice upgrade for scouts though, like good enough to consider using more than just the few OP scouts.
Vorons aren’t really challenged with balance except maybe the Voron D53233, but OHDs already have taken care of that. For the NA trucks sure, I did mention that in the review. Balloon tires on the Tayga and ANK is gonna be drivers call. The OHD1 on the Tayga is great and OHS2 along with other JAT OHD options. For the ANK, I like the JAT MMDs which only a few trucks get. This is huge for lateral stability, but indeed the balloons do a good job as well
I think this is a good general consensus. There is more to be said about the Jat MHS tires. But you would need to test with a less extreme weight load, such as the van body, and in a more varied environment in order to say it. Good video dude.
I just tested them wirh full semi trailers loaded with heavy cargo and the OHS2 still outperform them by a good bit. I believe the JAT MHS tire are an inbetween tire. What I mean is that they are wide, but not as wide as the MHS2, they are grippy, but not as much as the OHS 2 but wider. Overall i think they are a good balance
@@NProvince Well, I don't mean to speak about where they fall compared to other tires. I mean about the difference from one Jat MHS to the other. I feel that you can easily pick between most, but there are 2 clear losers in the lot, the Jat MHS 1 and 3. What do you think?
Yes that is true. I’m actually not a fan of having the best options from the start, but that’s just me personally. I do understand that it’s a paid DLC as well so that’s probably why all of them are unlocked
@@NProvince I like having the options but usually prefer not to use them. Guess I'm weird. I hate grinding for things and like having options from the start, yet I usually just run trucks that most would consider B tier.
On a quick test the Tuz 16 Actaeon really benefits from the new Jat tires. Mostly in terms of driving feel and stability. I used to keep an Actaeon with active suspension and medium sized chained tires around for nimble, icy shortcuts. But it always felt insecure and tippy. Just first impressions the Jats really improve on that, although not having chains to be fair.
That’s debatable. You have to consider consistent stability from front tire to rear. The MMDs are massive on the rear but .65 on the front. This would be a good test, but off the top on my head I would say they would be very comparable
@@mrvwbug4423 I personally like the JAT MMD III better. Can't remember that I ever felt confident before driving the Actaeon flat out 4th gear with RWD only. Different truck to me now because switching off AWD more often helps saving fuel on this old fossil.
I still can't get my head around the fact that the plain old MHS I with 2.0/2.0 stats beats all the fancy new tires with their mud stat going up to 2.6. And even OHS II is faster than those !!! 🤯
Ya my mind was blown as well. I believe it’s just a combo of penetrating the terrain, The Tayga having an amazing collision model and 12t weight from The fuel carrier all working together
Ya the JAT OHS3s are a good tire are well. I’m glad you’re not concerned with the meta. A few hundredths or tenths of seconds on a time trial doesn’t reallly mean much in a game that’s 1000 hrs long. I really like the JAT OHS too for looks. I’ve been lately buying tires that I think look good. I think as long as you have the right category of tire; you’ll be alright :)
I always like to use the road north east of the garage as a test route, up to the first gas station in Black Badger Lake Wisconsin. However, since I'm not a professional, I'm wondering whether the route is good or whether there's too much water and not enough mud to be meaningful?
Those are good areas to use, there are also a lot of places around the base game that I use as well. These test strips are just easy to rinse and repeat instead of taking 3-4 hours to get few runs; these allow for multiple quick tests.
From the tyre stats it seems that the devs tried to take the older tyres and improve them but they failed, for some reason they just found the sweat spot for the stats on the old tyres
Kinda what it seems right. I think in some Areas they are good side grades and I will for sure swap them around and such, which isn’t something we’ve had the option to do without losing too much performance.
@@NProvince Yeah, the difference between the new tyres and the old ones (besides scouts) isn't very big, and the new tyres are wider overall so they could help some trucks with stability if need be
Something I'd like to see is some sort of "best setup/build for each vehicle" video based on your opinion and what kind of fleet you would use, if every vehicle had its own purpose/job. Especially with all the DLCs now. Because there is so much information out there that it quickly becomes confusing. I've tried to build a fleet of the "best vehicles" according to the internet, but I'm still having trouble with the engine, gearbox tires and add-on combinations. In the end I just picked almost the same setups even if the vehicles are different. Aaaaand that kinda doesnt feel right..especial because they all have sadles or cargo beds and i dont know which one i should use. :/
Whew.. that does seem like a daunting task. Have you looked at my truck reviews? I do mention a lot of these things you listed. Also do you watch the stream? I could elaborate a lot of these things on stream as well. I’ll try and brainstorm how to do this
@@NProvince Ok, maybe not for every vehicle, because lets be honest..a lot of vehicles are not even worth driving. ^^ ...i can only watch the uploaded streams, but not live, because of time issues etc. Guess i will have to look thru your uploads again. Thanks for your response! :)
@@Peet_McFlyOn my channel I have a playlist that shows a review on every truck in the game where I go through the pros and cons of the truck. I believe that will really give you some good info as well. Those are my most tested, thought out videos
Hi nathan, don’t you think we need a new “amur difficulty” map with the trucks that we have now? Since the release of season 4 we just kept getting a better vehicles like the zikz 612H kenny 963 DS 15C-177 etc, while maps gets easier, I think to pump the excitement in the community we should get a new map that is just as hard or even harder than amur. I would love to have your opinion because your play style is like mine and we look at the game from the same POV.
Honestly, they might make this next map pretty hard considering the machines we have, but then again, if they make it hard enough to challenge elite vehicles, you essentially negate use of all the other mid tier trucks as a whole, unless you got folks that love a challenge. I think a smaller increase in difficulty could be good though
Thanks for testing. Some things came as no surprise. Scouts JAT levels the playing field. Even the notoriously tipy Scout 800 becomes quite forgiving. UOD 2 and OHD 1 out performing JAT was also expected. However the real surprise where MHS 1 out competing MHS 2 and JAT. Though like you said it's not that indicative to in game scenarios. I found the wider JAT variants to be more pleasant to drive, especially on trucks like the Twinsteer.
Pleas add width to excel. From what I see, width is also important when choosing tires. Did I understand correctly that MHS I is better despite having worse statistics because it is narrower?
In the beginning, I showed where to find the correct data spread sheet showing width. The OHS2 are the best performing tire so far above them. All the test strip gets deeper with each marker and yes the MHs1 did well, but I’d still choose another mud tire over those or choose the OHS2, but the wider double tires are my go to in the game
What about the special Zikz 605r/612 tires and the 420? I assume their special tires are still the best? I noticed the 605r new tires were wide but smaller diameter, which doesn't make any sense
I did not mention those because you should not use any other tire than the ZHM on both of the Zikz trucks. They are just too good. The JAT tires for the 605R are actually still more narrow than the ZHM. The Zikz 605R tires are 1.0 width and the JAT tires are .95. While the 612 tires are more narrow than the JATs, its tire codes are just too insane to put another tire on it. The tatarin tires are essentially one of the best in the game. Id keep them on too
Nice video and effort, very helpful. Just one thing, sorry if I missed it in video. The video shows how tires performs in this particular strip, not the whole game at all. It seems very light mud layer followed by dirt ground. It's not that much surprising that narrower tires with good dirt rating which can sink into dirt layer under heavy weight of the fuel tank bests wider tires even with more mud rating. IMHO MHS II will always beat MHS I in harsher mud/snow conditions, every single time. To the topic, I think JAT MS III, JAT MHS IV and JAT MSH II are real upgrades over vanilla equivalents (for everything harsher than light mud).
I shoulda mentioned that the mud strip gets worse at every marker on that strip. Thats why you see at the end, trucks start to struggle. I have tested in game as well like I mentioned part of that testing was on stream which is on the channel as well. In deepest conditions, ya buoyancy is gonna win
Hello! Did you test the ZiKZ 612H with its own tires vs the JAT MSH II / III? I'm really curious about that one. Also the TMHS/AMHS vs the OG MHS and the JAT MHS.
So for any Zikz whether it’s the 605 or the 612H. Their ZHMs are far better than the new tires. The TMHS/AMHS are essentially floatations that will get through mud as a slow pace. The JAT MHS are a little faster than the MHS2. For this one I would say it’s up to the driver. Some tires I didn’t think needed to be mention due to have 2 prior videos on them explaining them fully. Those other 2 videos are in a pinned commment. Pertaining to the Zikz612 tires, I have an update video showing its buff to those tires making them quite insane
@@NProvince, i didn't touch the 605R's tires because I know how good they are. Theoretically, the 612H tires should be even better, as their mud rating is slightly higher. However, they look out of place on the 612H. With the new wide JAT MSH III, the 612H looks much more like a real MAZ-7310. I'd hoped the JATs wouldn't be far from the 612H tires in term of performance because I like how the trucks looks with them on.
I didn’t, that’s true. In felt they were restricted to an only a few vehicles and for those id probably use tires that give them balance tbh. Good catch :)
Was waiting for this! Really nice analysis, i think the new tires are really good, maybe the devs didn´t want to put a really OP pack of tires, since everyone would call them out saying they are somehow making the game P2W. i think every truck has different needs, and some of this tires might be the answer for some of them! i was a little skeptical of buying it, but now i want to. Thanks Nathan! :)
@@NProvince Seems to be what the data is saying. Still probably going to pick it up, my scouts need something to make them useful in the sort of terrain made to stop things much bigger than them. Not to mention it gives alot of rigs a new look.
It’s a good buy. Even the options to add more width in some areas and play around with some cooler looking patterns with similar results seems like a good buy to me
Nice video. I'll stick with the Jat MHS 2, I like them. Went back to OHD 1 & UOD 2 for offroad dully trucks. Gonna keep the TMHS/AMHS 1 on most trucks that have those minus the Zikz and could couple trucks that downgrade the tire size, which I instead went for the Jat 1 dully muds. Gonna keep the MSH 2 on super heavy trucks.
I agree on the super heavies. Faster tractoring through super mud/blue snow would be my preference given those are often the trucks where you're dragging something huge through a deep mud pit or long section of blue snow, and stability is usually not an issue with them. If the JAT MSH's found their way onto the Azovs, that would OP to the point of being unbalanced however.
@@mrvwbug4423 They are. By super heavy I mean the KOLOB's, Kensworth, CAT 745C, etc. Tayga's, Azov's, Voron's, Tatra's, Twin-Steer, Forester, Pike, Internation's, all these type of trucks has the JAT MHS IV.
I think driving the trucks with a saddle rather then the heavy gas attachment would give a more accurate performance review as most players wont drive around with the gas attachment most times. just mo good video though.
This was done due to that attachment weighing 12t. A lot of folks dont use saddle at all. Alot of them use a 2 slot bed, so I tried to get an addon that was heavier than a 2 slot sideboard bed (loaded) and somewhat comparable average weight as a semi trailer load. Not all the time are players pulling a fully loaded trailer so with all those things in mind; I felt this was a good go between. Also the longitudinal weight was set mostly in the rear with this addon which is was the intent. I believe with a saddle you would see similar results in timing except it would be a little extended doe to more friction due to trailer wheels being drug through the surface. Another thing to consider is how much of the 5 slot saddle is actually pressing down on rear axles directly based on load distribution. I'd say perhaps 3 1/2 slots.
@@NProvince good point. I just think reviews should be based solely on truck weight with tire performance. With weight factoring into grip, having a heavy attachment would give false performance results. That’s just my opinion but either way good job on your videos Nate there good 😊
So, basically, the only DLC tires that are actually better are the mud tires. I get some of the other tires could be useful in specific circumstances, but I kind of expected more.
I think you kinda missed the point. The mudtires actually aren’t better. The JAT mudtires did not perform better than the older off-road and old muds in any area. Except for scouts. They definitely are situational and I think this is a great thing
@@NProvince I don't. If the tires were just a sidegrade, then it should have been an update, not paid dlc, imo. A fair number of their DLC trucks should have been free, as well. They just sit in the garage, collecting dust.
@@NProvince Yeah I typed that weird lol. When watching the video their was a truck on the top screen, while watching the gearshift on the trucks, the top one was going slower than necessary and down shifted when I didn’t see a need to, but I know sometimes areas feel different than the game displays and I appreciate the video, it just stood out to me
@@allbriardup6451 Ahh i see. So the need to downshift can be subjective in a sense, but I use principle from my video on Mudrunnin Tips to determine when downshift is needed to prevent sinking and maintaining forward movement. If you could show the time stamp I could further explain to you why the downshift happened. During these tests Usually the angular velocity hitting a point that merits a downshift so that was applied to keep things consistent. However, if mud chunks were being thrown around and speed slowed down (indicator of impending sink) I would drop the gear
@@NProvince Right and I do recall seeing the mud chunks in the clip and I hadn’t been to that region yet but since then I have and the physics lined up for me. Videos never capture the true feel you may get with the controller providing feedback on what things are occurring. I don’t recall the time but it’s not anything now lol. At that time that was just one of those things, and I like how you did the testing for the consistency especially when trying to run it comparing vehicles which may differ from a play style you may prefer. Some people try to trick or b.s. players and I feel like your content is genuine and it is truly appreciated. Thank you for your time brother 👍
@@allbriardup6451 I appreciate that. I totally agree, in a video its tough to show eveything. Thank you for bringing your concern up. I hope that kinda answered it in a sense. I definitely try my best to give consistent genuine info to help players.
Great video Nate I think the point about vehicles testing different in game maps vs test tracks is a great one. As they have multiple layers of stuff going in compared to 1 type or mud. I’m sure this took a long time so thanks for all your efforts and keep it up.
Thanks JJ. I probably should have mentioned the strip increases its texture as the tract goes on, but indeed the game is a much better representation of performance
The best part of this dlc for me, as a returning player starting fresh, is that you can get mud tires/offroad tires early. Cuts a lot of the annoying crawling around you have to do on highway tires when ranking up.
Overall, this is a great DLC. The new tires add a lot of flavor to the game and bring many of the older and less specialized trucks up to standard with the DLC trucks that have somewhat powercrept them, all without disrupting the balance too much or being outright pay-to-win.
I'm going to take the results from the timed test with a pretty heavy pinch of salt though. Putting a ton weight over the rear axles without hitching a trailer and then sending it into the mud seems to bias the results in favor of thinner, more aggressive tires. In my experience, these kinds of tires really suffer when you hitch up a trailer and have to pull weight over a dead axle. Under these conditions, I find that more aggressive tires like the OHSs and UODs tend to quickly overwhelm soft ground, rip it up, and then get stuck in the mud they create (not to mention the damage they do to dirt roads you have to use for multiple trips). This is, in my opinion, the most overlooked positive of this DLC. Many trucks that were stuck with single narrow MHS1/DMHS/OHS tires (like the DAN and Derry 4520) and UODs (like many American trucks) as their best options seemed to have a much harder time pulling big trailer loads than options with wider, less aggressive tires; JAT MHS tires for the former and JAT OMD tires for the latter really seem to help bring them up to speed.
As an aside, I'm just plain skeptical of the whole "cutting the mud" idea. For all the test results that everyone produces I've yet to make it work in practice. Every time I try to, I end up bogged down in mud that less aggressive tires would have ridden right over.
Keep in mind that addon is heavier than some large loads on a semi in the game at 12 metric tons which is why I chose it. Pulling a hitch trailer is a good playstyle and all but concerning friction, you’re actually just hindering yourself. The reason I’ve used the fuel addon is it put significant amount of weight on the rear axle, kinda like a semi would. Every tire has a threshold and this test strip gets deeper with every marker point and still the tires did pretty well. My in game testing showed things that were a little different, but still every tire has a limit. You can be skeptical of the results and it’s odd.. I know, but it’s been tested for more than 2 years. In thick spots in game, ya the wider OHDs are just gonna go through things with weight on their back axles. However I did say that this is a good sidegrade with the increased width and did mention it would be a good option to folks for added buoyancy and balance. I think they are a good to have options in scenarios, but overall I like that there are width bonuses especially for the NA smaller trucks
@@NProvince The issue I have isn't so much with the amount of weight as it is where the weight is distributed. Even if you're carrying 12t of the densest standard cargo in the game (concrete), there's no way to get all 12t of that over your drive wheels unless you're playing a TwinSteer or doing stuff like stacking it unpacked on top of your flatbed (which I know some people do, but that's an awfully risky way to play if you ask me). If you're running a 2x flatbed and 2x trailer, that's 6t over the rear wheels and 6t on dead axles. If you're running a semi trailer, the weight distribution is going to be better but even giving a generous estimate I can't imagine more than 9t of the weight actually being on the drive wheels most of the time.
These are the conditions under which I do most bulk cargo hauling, and (unless I'm completely out of touch with this game) most others do as well. While it may not be optimal from a grip standpoint, I can't imagine using nothing but a 2x or 3x bed to do all the bulk cargo contracts on a level like Yukon without going stark-raving mad.
It'd be interesting to see how the tires would stack up in a test with a loaded 5th wheel instead of the fuel. If I'm right, I suspect the results in a few categories would reverse themselves.
@@Sliphantom Just ran tests on a strip that gets deeper as you drive with a loaded Semi trailer on a DAN96320 (4.4t semi trailer w/ 10t oil rig) with the OHS2 tires VS The new JAT MHS tires. The OHS2 did not have to downshift to Low from Low+ and did not succumb to sinking. The New JAT MHS tires had wheel spin issues on that last portion of the test strip forcing a downshift to no sink. They all finished, but at the meters per second, the OHS2 doubled their speed at the end. These things really depend upon things I mentioned in the video, ground clearance is a huge factor, but also tires are performing as I expected they would on real snowrunner maps where 95% of my testing has taken place over the past 3 years. I would use a double tire if I can, but if not I believe the OHS2 is the best option. Still I believe the JAT tires are a good side grade and well balanced for adequate grip and width for stability without going either all in on grip like the OHS2 or all in on Stability like the MHS2
@@NProvince That really surprises me. The JAT MHS tires felt like a straight upgrade over the OHS2s on everything, especially in really soupy terrain. Maybe I'm more remembering encounters with submerged mud, or maybe its just my driving style.
It probably is just really thick patches. The thing is, your choice on the new JATs is STILL a great option and I probably will switch them out to use the JATs because I’m not too concerned with fast times. I like balance a lot
Looks like the biggest upgrade is for the small scouts that don't have uod or their own special tires (like Yar87, Tatarin). From 1.6 mud for MS1 to Jat MS3's 2.5 is a huge upgrade. Otherwise, agreed, it's mostly a sidegrade and the old tires still perform well. Maybe we'll see some new things as we play and discover some more differences.
Agreed, Trucks that have special tires are still really good. For the smaller scouts I think these are a good upgrade. I found it crazy that the Yars tires still did that good in comparission, but its kinda cool as well
Scouts and heavy trucks got a traction buff. The highway, heavy duty and off road trucks don’t get much of a traction buff, but they have wider tires that help with stability. Also the dual mud tires on some small Russian trucks can be better than Tayga tires in some instances.
There is a tire from mods that costs $500 in game and beats all JAT tires we need to buy.
And new look 💸
Great job on testing all these new tires! I like how these new tires seems pretty balanced compared to the originals. The devs could easily have made them super good and made the old ones completly obsolete, but im glad they didnt.
I’m glad too! They will be a good change of pace for a lot of trucks in ways like balance
Thank you Nate for this very useful tires-testing video, I'm sure it will help the community. At this point it's safe to say that except for scouts and superheavy trucks, the OG tires are still the go-to for most scenarios, but it's always nice to get improved stability and overall variety fromn these new tires.
I think that’s safe to say. Swapping the other tires in and out of your rotation will be a change of pace. I like this idea because you’re not losing significant performance by using a sidegrade
Not mentioned in the video, the test strip used here gets deeper at every marker simulating entering a deeper condition of mud.
While The JAT Tires seem objectively better In some cases; The OG tires still seem to be near the top of the charts as far as testing is concerned. In the Conclusion we talk about how some tires could be used from a case by case basis. From Testing & Referencing Other testers data, we have all found similar results across the board with a few differnces.The TWO videos linked are very interesting if you’d like more tire/performance info.
1st Tire Video & Tips For MudRunnin: ruclips.net/video/dIILT6cWQsE/видео.htmlsi=Rt-1G8NKQ84lK5GZ
2nd Tire Video (Still Relevant After Evidence Found In Current Video: ruclips.net/video/V8lEcwFleFo/видео.htmlsi=cGQiDG98Qsi4rs-h
Stream TESTING: ruclips.net/video/gZ7rjZOVvFU/видео.htmlsi=am7C_LXguc9JA5x2
Great as always, thanks for testing these out. I'm happy that the JAT are a good sidegrade, and that the difference in time between them in a lot of cases were insignificant.
Indeed, timing isn’t the most important. Also I did not mention that the mud pit got deeper as we went through markers. Thats why near the end some tires really got slowed down
the fact the trucks themselves can have an impact on which tire can be chosen, makes this a good/interesting dlc imo
also thx for taking the time to make these comparisons
Absolutely there will be times where it’s all based on what truck is being use and what the driver wants
I'm about to go test these out on my trucks in the snow for the first time in Alaska. Wish me luck, buddy.
Nice!!
The thing I appreciate most about the tire pack is the addition of the new MHS mud tires. Some trucks that were stuck with OHS tires as their best option now have a wider choice that's excellent in mud.
Yea they can allow some trucks to have more buoyancy for sure
Hi Nate! Kinda late with this but i revisited this video to compare JAT OMD 3 and JAT MMD 3 performance and i noticed that the shown values for the JAT OMD 3 at 4:40 are questionable, doesn't match with the values in Vlad Vulcan's Ultimate Snowrunner Data Spreadsheet in which the JAT OMD 3 friction values are : Asphalt: 0.8; Ground/Rock: 3.1; Mud/Snow: 1.8. I guess it's just a typo but clarification would be appreciated, Cheers !
Could be a small typo or I believe the OMDs did get a small buff shortly after this video, but the tests should really be the defining factor. I think folks get too caught up on friction coefficients. There is a lot more going on than just stats when it comes to performance as shown. Thank you for pointing that typo out :)
Awesome vid! Love the stuff Nate. Keep it up brother
Glad I could you both! :)
I did some tests by modifying the game files. I finally think I understand it completely.
If there is not too much mud and the truck's clearance (but probably also its weight) allows you to hit a hard surface under the mud, use thinner tires with a high BodyFriction value.
If the mud is really deep, nothing will help except wide tires (to keep the truck afloat - so basically only Tayga tires) and a high SubstanceFriction factor may help. Dual tires at the rear only help a little because the front dives and generates a lot of friction.
In general, a high SubstanceFriction factor for narrower tires (assuming the truck weighs a bit) is probably not useful at all.
Again, a wide tire, in medium and small mud it will be worse because it will not hit a hard surface. Worse (it will be slower), but it won't get stuck in very deep mud.
Everything in between is some kind of balance. Now it doesn't surprise me that narrow tires are usually better (better means faster), because really deep mud is very rare. But it will just get stuck in this very deep mud.
So Tayga tires are the best. They are not the fastest, but they have the best chance of not getting stuck. Additionally, they provide the best stability.
Keep in mind that mud strip in the video getts deeper with every marker and it was actually pretty deep. To be honest, the balloons are the slowest through anything other than super mud and in 2023, I dont find merit in them because they are the least occuring area Since Amur and why just drive through those conditions anyways ya know? I would rather take a faster way. I've looked at all of xt-fletchers info on this and leaning in on folks that understand this as well. I do think you're on the right with understanding these. I just dont think the TMHS or AMHS tires are the pick over other tires inho
@@NProvince They are not the best, but they are definitely the most stable. Using thinner tires reduces stability. It's true that there is no deep mud anymore. Difficult choice with these tires. At first I thought that MHS II and UOD II were the best tires, then it became more complicated, and now that I understand it, it is so complicated that thinking about it worsens my enjoyment of the game. I believe that the stability of the tire (due to its width) is a very important factor. If you tip over, you will lose much more time.
Great video, great testing.
Thank you!
I could see the JAT tires being good on certain stability challenged trucks like the Vorons or a lot of the NA trucks. On the Kolobs, I think being able to tractor through super mud a little faster with the OG MSH2s is still going to win out, the Kolobs are not exactly stability challenged. For Tayga and ANK, I still don't really see a compelling reason to not use the TMHS/AMHS tires due to their better stability, ESPECIALLY on the ANK. They definitely look like a very nice upgrade for scouts though, like good enough to consider using more than just the few OP scouts.
Vorons aren’t really challenged with balance except maybe the Voron D53233, but OHDs already have taken care of that. For the NA trucks sure, I did mention that in the review. Balloon tires on the Tayga and ANK is gonna be drivers call. The OHD1 on the Tayga is great and OHS2 along with other JAT OHD options. For the ANK, I like the JAT MMDs which only a few trucks get. This is huge for lateral stability, but indeed the balloons do a good job as well
I think this is a good general consensus.
There is more to be said about the Jat MHS tires. But you would need to test with a less extreme weight load, such as the van body, and in a more varied environment in order to say it.
Good video dude.
I just tested them wirh full semi trailers loaded with heavy cargo and the OHS2 still outperform them by a good bit. I believe the JAT MHS tire are an inbetween tire. What I mean is that they are wide, but not as wide as the MHS2, they are grippy, but not as much as the OHS 2 but wider. Overall i think they are a good balance
@@NProvince Well, I don't mean to speak about where they fall compared to other tires. I mean about the difference from one Jat MHS to the other. I feel that you can easily pick between most, but there are 2 clear losers in the lot, the Jat MHS 1 and 3. What do you think?
Ya I think you probably could pick almost any MHS JAT tires and be really close to the next variant for sure
I would say the single greatest thing about this is it gives off-road and mud tire options from rank one.
Yes that is true. I’m actually not a fan of having the best options from the start, but that’s just me personally. I do understand that it’s a paid DLC as well so that’s probably why all of them are unlocked
@@NProvince
I like having the options but usually prefer not to use them. Guess I'm weird. I hate grinding for things and like having options from the start, yet I usually just run trucks that most would consider B tier.
On a quick test the Tuz 16 Actaeon really benefits from the new Jat tires. Mostly in terms of driving feel and stability. I used to keep an Actaeon with active suspension and medium sized chained tires around for nimble, icy shortcuts. But it always felt insecure and tippy. Just first impressions the Jats really improve on that, although not having chains to be fair.
The JAD MMDs on this truck are awesome to use
You think they're more stable than the Tayga tires on the Actaeon?
That’s debatable. You have to consider consistent stability from front tire to rear. The MMDs are massive on the rear but .65 on the front. This would be a good test, but off the top on my head I would say they would be very comparable
@@mrvwbug4423 I personally like the JAT MMD III better. Can't remember that I ever felt confident before driving the Actaeon flat out 4th gear with RWD only. Different truck to me now because switching off AWD more often helps saving fuel on this old fossil.
I still can't get my head around the fact that the plain old MHS I with 2.0/2.0 stats beats all the fancy new tires with their mud stat going up to 2.6. And even OHS II is faster than those !!! 🤯
Ya my mind was blown as well. I believe it’s just a combo of penetrating the terrain, The Tayga having an amazing collision model and 12t weight from
The fuel carrier all working together
@@NProvince Did you also test the TMHS to compare?
Great vid ! So for the offroad class truck the best tires to use are the MSH 1 or the OHS 2 ?
OHS 2 based on these tests and others
@@NProvince thank you !
@@NProvinceis it okay if i put the JAT OHS III instead of the OHS II ? The JAT OHS III looks better on the Mack M917 in my opinion so
Ya the JAT OHS3s are a good tire are well. I’m glad you’re not concerned with the meta. A few hundredths or tenths of seconds on a time trial doesn’t reallly mean much in a game that’s 1000 hrs long. I really like the JAT OHS too for looks. I’ve been lately buying tires that I think look good. I think as long as you have the right category of tire; you’ll be alright :)
@@NProvince I took the one that is closest to the OHS II and therefore it is the JAT OHS III
I always like to use the road north east of the garage as a test route, up to the first gas station in Black Badger Lake Wisconsin. However, since I'm not a professional, I'm wondering whether the route is good or whether there's too much water and not enough mud to be meaningful?
Those are good areas to use, there are also a lot of places around the base game that I use as well. These test strips are just easy to rinse and repeat instead of taking 3-4 hours to get few runs; these allow for multiple quick tests.
From the tyre stats it seems that the devs tried to take the older tyres and improve them but they failed, for some reason they just found the sweat spot for the stats on the old tyres
Kinda what it seems right. I think in some
Areas they are good side grades and I will for sure swap them around and such, which isn’t something we’ve had the option to do without losing too much performance.
@@NProvince Yeah, the difference between the new tyres and the old ones (besides scouts) isn't very big, and the new tyres are wider overall so they could help some trucks with stability if need be
Something I'd like to see is some sort of "best setup/build for each vehicle" video based on your opinion and what kind of fleet you would use, if every vehicle had its own purpose/job. Especially with all the DLCs now. Because there is so much information out there that it quickly becomes confusing. I've tried to build a fleet of the "best vehicles" according to the internet, but I'm still having trouble with the engine, gearbox tires and add-on combinations. In the end I just picked almost the same setups even if the vehicles are different. Aaaaand that kinda doesnt feel right..especial because they all have sadles or cargo beds and i dont know which one i should use. :/
Whew.. that does seem like a daunting task. Have you looked at my truck reviews? I do mention a lot of these things you listed. Also do you watch the stream? I could elaborate a lot of these things on stream as well. I’ll try and brainstorm how to do this
@@NProvince Ok, maybe not for every vehicle, because lets be honest..a lot of vehicles are not even worth driving. ^^ ...i can only watch the uploaded streams, but not live, because of time issues etc. Guess i will have to look thru your uploads again.
Thanks for your response! :)
@@Peet_McFlyOn my channel I have a playlist that shows a review on every truck in the game where I go through the pros and cons of the truck. I believe that will really give you some good info as well. Those are my most tested, thought out videos
Is there a sheet with the heigh and width of all tires? It would be so nice to have this info in the snowrunner tire comparsion sheet.
There is! Go to the maprunner website>resources> SnowRunner Data Spreadsheet
@@NProvince 😱 Just wow... I've being using this site for years and never saw this before. Tks a lot.
Hi nathan, don’t you think we need a new “amur difficulty” map with the trucks that we have now? Since the release of season 4 we just kept getting a better vehicles like the zikz 612H kenny 963 DS 15C-177 etc, while maps gets easier, I think to pump the excitement in the community we should get a new map that is just as hard or even harder than amur.
I would love to have your opinion because your play style is like mine and we look at the game from the same POV.
Honestly, they might make this next map pretty hard considering the machines we have, but then again, if they make it hard enough to challenge elite vehicles, you essentially negate use of all the other mid tier trucks as a whole, unless you got folks that love a challenge. I think a smaller increase in difficulty could be good though
Would love it if there were a list that told us exactly what the best tires are
That’s the thing I do have a list on prior videos essentially, but now tires are more of a “what do you need as a player?” Type.
I'm still going to use the jat tires because I need another tire set to look at like watching them bounce
The do look nice
Thanks for testing.
Some things came as no surprise.
Scouts JAT levels the playing field. Even the notoriously tipy Scout 800 becomes quite forgiving.
UOD 2 and OHD 1 out performing JAT was also expected.
However the real surprise where MHS 1 out competing MHS 2 and JAT.
Though like you said it's not that indicative to in game scenarios. I found the wider JAT variants to be more pleasant to drive, especially on trucks like the Twinsteer.
I agree :)
I am going to assume the JAT MHS makes the TwinSteer more stable?
@@mrvwbug4423 They do, though it's not as big a difference as with scouts.
What maps were you time testing the tires on?
Pleas add width to excel. From what I see, width is also important when choosing tires. Did I understand correctly that MHS I is better despite having worse statistics because it is narrower?
In the beginning, I showed where to find the correct data spread sheet showing width. The OHS2 are the best performing tire so far above them. All the test strip gets deeper with each marker and yes the MHs1 did well, but I’d still choose another mud tire over those or choose the OHS2, but the wider double tires are my go to in the game
@@NProvince aaaah, there is actually a second sheet.
What about the special Zikz 605r/612 tires and the 420? I assume their special tires are still the best?
I noticed the 605r new tires were wide but smaller diameter, which doesn't make any sense
I did not mention those because you should not use any other tire than the ZHM on both of the Zikz trucks. They are just too good. The JAT tires for the 605R are actually still more narrow than the ZHM. The Zikz 605R tires are 1.0 width and the JAT tires are .95. While the 612 tires are more narrow than the JATs, its tire codes are just too insane to put another tire on it. The tatarin tires are essentially one of the best in the game. Id keep them on too
Nice video and effort, very helpful. Just one thing, sorry if I missed it in video. The video shows how tires performs in this particular strip, not the whole game at all. It seems very light mud layer followed by dirt ground. It's not that much surprising that narrower tires with good dirt rating which can sink into dirt layer under heavy weight of the fuel tank bests wider tires even with more mud rating. IMHO MHS II will always beat MHS I in harsher mud/snow conditions, every single time.
To the topic, I think JAT MS III, JAT MHS IV and JAT MSH II are real upgrades over vanilla equivalents (for everything harsher than light mud).
I shoulda mentioned that the mud strip gets worse at every marker on that strip. Thats why you see at the end, trucks start to struggle. I have tested in game as well like I mentioned part of that testing was on stream which is on the channel as well. In deepest conditions, ya buoyancy is gonna win
Hello! Did you test the ZiKZ 612H with its own tires vs the JAT MSH II / III? I'm really curious about that one. Also the TMHS/AMHS vs the OG MHS and the JAT MHS.
So for any Zikz whether it’s the 605 or the 612H. Their ZHMs are far better than the new tires. The TMHS/AMHS are essentially floatations that will get through mud as a slow pace. The JAT MHS are a little faster than the MHS2. For this one I would say it’s up to the driver. Some tires I didn’t think needed to be mention due to have 2 prior videos on them explaining them fully. Those other 2 videos are in a pinned commment. Pertaining to the Zikz612 tires, I have an update video showing its buff to those tires making them quite insane
@@NProvince, i didn't touch the 605R's tires because I know how good they are. Theoretically, the 612H tires should be even better, as their mud rating is slightly higher. However, they look out of place on the 612H. With the new wide JAT MSH III, the 612H looks much more like a real MAZ-7310. I'd hoped the JATs wouldn't be far from the 612H tires in term of performance because I like how the trucks looks with them on.
Ya aesthetically they dont look like the Maz for sure, but those tires are just too good to consider any other tire imho.
Am i going crazy or everytime i enter the game and i remember to have JoAT tires installed i see the exclusive truck tires of Mack and Ken instead?😮😮
This might sound strange but I think textures have a little to do with it like tire textures
Perhaps, but then again the OHS2 is the only tire thast has treads on its sidewall and still fastest. It could be something with the shaping
@@NProvincethreads are purely cosmetic I think. Tire models are all the same.
I figured their shaping was similar, but the OHs2 has such a commanding lead, I theorized there had to be something else
hi!
thank you for the video!
how can i get such camera view as in the beginning>
cheers!
Do you mean the zoomed back camera?
@@NProvince yes pls)
That is having the maximum 3rd person with field of vision set to 130
@@NProvince Oh my! its literally a snowrunner 2.0
taa!
Btw, you haven't shown the new JAT OMS single mediums. They can be found on trucks with UOD singles - Bandit, Tatra 805... etc
I didn’t, that’s true. In felt they were restricted to an only a few vehicles and for those id probably use tires that give them balance tbh. Good catch :)
Was waiting for this! Really nice analysis, i think the new tires are really good, maybe the devs didn´t want to put a really OP pack of tires, since everyone would call them out saying they are somehow making the game P2W.
i think every truck has different needs, and some of this tires might be the answer for some of them! i was a little skeptical of buying it, but now i want to.
Thanks Nathan! :)
I agree it could be a case by case thing here with some trucks
im still waiting for a youtuber to make a comparison of the new tires with the zikzez
There isn’t any comparison with the ZHM tires to be honest. I would only choose the ZHM tires on both zikz and that’s it. The new tires are not better
My question is why the mods stopped working? I came back after a year and wanted to play with my friend, but no luck😢
I don’t think mods stopped working. I believe they are very much alive and well. However, I don’t keep up with them much
Does this pack add new tires for the Western Star 49X?
Yes it does
So in other words its great for scouts and competitive on everything else. Good to know.
They are competitive yes, I do think in some areas you could comfortably swap around options and still have success
@@NProvince Seems to be what the data is saying. Still probably going to pick it up, my scouts need something to make them useful in the sort of terrain made to stop things much bigger than them. Not to mention it gives alot of rigs a new look.
It’s a good buy. Even the options to add more width in some areas and play around with some cooler looking patterns with similar results seems like a good buy to me
What test map is this ? Not polygon 1 or 2 right ?
It’s a private map from a tester and friend
@@NProvince Oh man that's awesome. Guess I will have to settle for Polygon maps with my friends. Thank you for the reply. :)
Nice job nathan🤗
Thank you!
Nice video. I'll stick with the Jat MHS 2, I like them. Went back to OHD 1 & UOD 2 for offroad dully trucks. Gonna keep the TMHS/AMHS 1 on most trucks that have those minus the Zikz and could couple trucks that downgrade the tire size, which I instead went for the Jat 1 dully muds. Gonna keep the MSH 2 on super heavy trucks.
I agree on the super heavies. Faster tractoring through super mud/blue snow would be my preference given those are often the trucks where you're dragging something huge through a deep mud pit or long section of blue snow, and stability is usually not an issue with them. If the JAT MSH's found their way onto the Azovs, that would OP to the point of being unbalanced however.
@@mrvwbug4423 They are. By super heavy I mean the KOLOB's, Kensworth, CAT 745C, etc.
Tayga's, Azov's, Voron's, Tatra's, Twin-Steer, Forester, Pike, Internation's, all these type of trucks has the JAT MHS IV.
what testing mod map is that?
It’s a private mod map created by a friend
@@NProvince All good, thanks for responding at least!
I can’t play this game with the stance bug. How in the heck can they release a dlc like this?
It’s annoying I know
how can I turn on the m/s of kph display
That’s only available on test maps or proving grounds (which usually are available)
Heck yea can't wait to buy them
Jat ms3 works great on the scout 800. Not so much on the hummer
Feels pretty good when comparing other tires against it especially in a mud strip.
I think driving the trucks with a saddle rather then the heavy gas attachment would give a more accurate performance review as most players wont drive around with the gas attachment most times. just mo good video though.
This was done due to that attachment weighing 12t. A lot of folks dont use saddle at all. Alot of them use a 2 slot bed, so I tried to get an addon that was heavier than a 2 slot sideboard bed (loaded) and somewhat comparable average weight as a semi trailer load. Not all the time are players pulling a fully loaded trailer so with all those things in mind; I felt this was a good go between. Also the longitudinal weight was set mostly in the rear with this addon which is was the intent. I believe with a saddle you would see similar results in timing except it would be a little extended doe to more friction due to trailer wheels being drug through the surface. Another thing to consider is how much of the 5 slot saddle is actually pressing down on rear axles directly based on load distribution. I'd say perhaps 3 1/2 slots.
@@NProvince good point. I just think reviews should be based solely on truck weight with tire performance. With weight factoring into grip, having a heavy attachment would give false performance results. That’s just my opinion but either way good job on your videos Nate there good 😊
Thank you! Ya you definitely have great points for sure. I appreciate you commenting on them
So, basically, the only DLC tires that are actually better are the mud tires. I get some of the other tires could be useful in specific circumstances, but I kind of expected more.
I think you kinda missed the point. The mudtires actually aren’t better. The JAT mudtires did not perform better than the older off-road and old muds in any area. Except for scouts. They definitely are situational and I think this is a great thing
@@NProvince I don't. If the tires were just a sidegrade, then it should have been an update, not paid dlc, imo. A fair number of their DLC trucks should have been free, as well. They just sit in the garage, collecting dust.
@@NProvince while I have your attention, I do want to say I appreciate your videos. They are very well done and has helped me immensely!
I appreciate that! Thank you. Im really glad this has helped you in some way. That really makes this all worth it for me @@neondystopian
@@NProvince You're welcome! If it wasn't for you, I'd still be using those DMHS tires, lol!
The top semi down shifted for no reason it seemed for no reason though.
Not sure what you're refering to
@@NProvince Yeah I typed that weird lol. When watching the video their was a truck on the top screen, while watching the gearshift on the trucks, the top one was going slower than necessary and down shifted when I didn’t see a need to, but I know sometimes areas feel different than the game displays and I appreciate the video, it just stood out to me
@@allbriardup6451 Ahh i see. So the need to downshift can be subjective in a sense, but I use principle from my video on Mudrunnin Tips to determine when downshift is needed to prevent sinking and maintaining forward movement. If you could show the time stamp I could further explain to you why the downshift happened. During these tests Usually the angular velocity hitting a point that merits a downshift so that was applied to keep things consistent. However, if mud chunks were being thrown around and speed slowed down (indicator of impending sink) I would drop the gear
@@NProvince Right and I do recall seeing the mud chunks in the clip and I hadn’t been to that region yet but since then I have and the physics lined up for me. Videos never capture the true feel you may get with the controller providing feedback on what things are occurring. I don’t recall the time but it’s not anything now lol. At that time that was just one of those things, and I like how you did the testing for the consistency especially when trying to run it comparing vehicles which may differ from a play style you may prefer. Some people try to trick or b.s. players and I feel like your content is genuine and it is truly appreciated. Thank you for your time brother 👍
@@allbriardup6451 I appreciate that. I totally agree, in a video its tough to show eveything. Thank you for bringing your concern up. I hope that kinda answered it in a sense. I definitely try my best to give consistent genuine info to help players.
Not first but Hi