Irish deities, Welsh deities - how different are they?
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- Responding to a question about why the characters in the Mabinogi are never referred to as gods.
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0:00 intro
1:15 Why are the Welsh gods never called gods?
1:52 History and geography
10:27 Early texts about the gods
14:18 Cognate names
16:19 Rhiannon and Macha
16:40 Romano-British inscriptions
17:27 How should we view the Mabinogi?
18:17 The longevity of myth
18:50 The problem with names
19:30 Personal theology
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Informative as always.
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this is wonderful i was just directed to your blog and found you here thank you i am so drawn to follow this part of my heritage...as you see my name.... lol
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Thank you 🙏 Many of mum’s 🏴 ancestors featured in the mabinogion ♥️ This is really interesting 🌹
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Love this video!
I find that it is just as likely that Saint Brigid of Ireland is a cultural continuation of a goddess as it is that the Welsh Mabon is a literary continuation of god. I don’t see why one development would be more likely than the other.
Thanks! I made this a while age - so don't remember everything I said - I hope it didn't sound like I disagree with what you've said here, because I think you're right.
The reason may be that the Mabinogion were finally written down by Christian monks who believed in only oneGod and that we Brythonic were Christian before we sent Patrick over to convert them ? Interesting though that in Cymraeg, when asking for an oath, you still ask them to do it on their LLŴ, ‘ ar dy lw’ which suggests some commonality between Gwyddelig and Cymraeg regarding a divine being?
Thank you. I am from Wales and have interesting ancestry.
Scottish we'd say "Too-ah-hah jay Dahnawnn"
Everything changes from town to town with pronunciation- or can and this was the case in ancient times as such it is in modern ones.
I have my own little faith going on personally, but I like to have faith in the idea that Manannan was there for me several times, especially when I was in basic training. Experienced rain when I asked for a blessing in my own way, which improved my morale when the last run came along. Ive come across a lot of strokes of good luck for a mentally ill guy with not a lot of support. And I've absolutely had help during medicine withdrawels.
Im never really sure what's going on, but thats where the admiration for this comes from, and when I was younger, I trusted that maybe hallucinations were Fae, rather than vice versa.
Given the mental illness comment, I can stay a bit skeptic, but I also have had a lot of confirmation with talking with spirits or coexisting with them, whether via family actually confirming this or friends having experiences with me.
I'm not as shy at 32 to ask if this is absurd or not. The ending of the video makes me FEEL better about my nomer for whatever has been helping me out, but Im also not strongly educated. I have a lot of celtic heritage (Like mostly welsh, Irish, and Scottish, I lost out on Manx), and FEEL like it would be something or someone from that pantheon of spirituality- But such is Humanity and illness, so Im probably never going to understand, and that's very okay to me.
It's not absurd. The gods can be very compassionate when we need them.
"Wales - that's where the indigenous British culture ended up being preserved, in the Welsh language".
Hear hear. This should be branded across the buttocks of every English person.
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English people are like 40% Celtic
So is there any information on how other non-Tuatha Gods interacted with them? I read about Cernnunnos, Taranis, and Artio. But I think all 3 of them are not Tuatha De Dannan.
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As a cornish welsh pictish breton I feel sad I know very little about traditions and gods as I want to celebrate my ancestry but idk how…
Ireland was q Celtic and Britain was p Celtic. Two Celtic invasions happened in the British Isles. The Irish came directly from Spain. Very likely related to Celtiberian. The Britton's very likely came from France. The Irish did record they came from Hispania. The Irish were right up to the Highlands. The Irish monks converted Scotland and northern England. During the dark ages. Ireland was known as the land of saints and scholars. The Irish monks were the only people in western Europe who could write and speak greek. They founded the town of St gallons in Switzerland. The thing about Ireland is even though they became catholic they went by their laws the brehon laws. Which was pretty advanced for their time.
That's true - but also the gods of the Tuatha de Danann seem to have a strong Gaulish influence as well. Who knows how many tribes landed in Ireland with there tribal gods like Brighid - if only the Irish wrote in a script like Celtiberian we'd have so much more information.
There’s no evidence for the migration of Celtic speaking people in to Britain and Ireland. The tales of the heroic cycles are not history, so take the statement about one of the invading peoples coming from Iberia with scepticism.
You should check out Alan Wilson and baram blackett talking about the real king Arthur and the welsh coelbren alphabet very interesting 😃
The coelbren alphabet is nothing but an early nineteenth century creation I'm afraid.
@@jackieroberts7895 The Coelbren alphabet - or *Coelbren y beirdd* to give its full title was devised by Edward Williams 1747 - 1826 ( bardic name *Iolo Morgannwg* ) as his bardic name implies, he was a native of Glamorgan - from the village of Flemingston near Cowbridge.Iolo was exceptionally learned - but ultimately also a literary fraud - his parochialism got the better of him when he created an illustrious bardic past for his native county by 'discovering' manuscripts - he was unwilling for the other counties of Wales - Gwynedd in particular to make that claim .The pageantry and splendor of the gorsedd of the bards held at every National Eisteddfod doesn't go back to the midst of time ,it all comes from the vivid imagination of Iolo. The Coelbren *isn't* ancient - being a native first language Welsh speaker ,I've read it myself - the orthography is plainly *not* archaic .I don't think that there's been a conspiracy or a clandestine ,concerted effort by the establishment to suppress any native Welsh history , it's just that Wales has been subsumed into a British ( English) educational system . Thankfully ,this Anglocentric teaching of history in Welsh classrooms is changing - but it still has a long way to go.
@@cymro6537 Alan Wilson knows what he is talking about hes now 90 years old and has done a lot of research for over 50 years and is very passionate about what he does Ill believe Alan Wilson more then the mainstream
@@jackieroberts7895 Alan Wilson doesn't know- if something doesn't fit his theories - then he makes it up or 'discovers' items of dubious historical provenance....
@@cymro6537 Ross broadstock has a RUclips channel called Britain's hidden history Ross check it out very interesting about welsh history
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I do find it very upsetting that we know very little about the welsh and celtic deities especially Rihannon. I feel a very strong connection to her had. Some big signs to work with her when I trying to find my patron deity. I find it hard to focus sometimes when I have doubt about her been an actual deity. I read info about her and it literally seems out of left field.'like her connection to dragons. Sometimes I just think if shes not then maybe shes a powerful fae queen or even a ancestor
Hey, Nathan - There are a number of well-researched, videos about Rhiannon on this channel, if that helps. The only original source for information about her is the first and third branches of The Mabinogi, but there is more depth there that you realise when you first read it.
If anyone is telling you she is connected to dragons, or a colour, or a crystal, etc. etc. they are, at best, just sharing their personal beliefs. There is nothing in the Welsh material to suggest these things.
@@KrisHughes thank you I think ive listened to every Rihannon video on youtube and im currently reading a book. I just wish there was more like with the Greek gods. I not as big of fan of theres it seems a more sexist and less magical
@@AstralHealthGuy If you are really interested, there comes a point where it's not about watching every video, or reading every article, but learning to filter you sources for quality. What's the book, you're reading. Is it the one by Jhenah Telyndru? If not, I highly recommend that one. It's very good.
@@KrisHughes yes thats the one im reading.seems good so far but I have several learning disabilities so it is hard for me. Ive only ever read one other book before. I have to turn to audiobook books. But I will definitely your advice and keep an eye out for your videos
So Irish and Welsh is kinda like how Greek Gods got remixed by the Romans!
I'm not sure that analogy quite fits, but if it works for you ...🙂
@@KrisHughes I just meant their names being different but representing the same God.
@@BlackWingedSeraphX I was probably overthinking things.
God might be something a near illiterate (or near literate) scattered few and far and wide, would use for Lord.