In a Famitsu interview with producer Amano, he said that the woman in Bravely Default II's cover art is not Gloria, but actually the Night's Nexus' human form before she got corrupted. Because of this, it can be assumed that Inanna bears a striking resemblance with Gloria. This would heavily explain why Seth is drawn to her and follows her.
I just finished the game for the first time yesterday (it being my first Bravely game) and i heard people didn't like it as much compared to the first 2 games bc of it's story, (i still liked the story from my play through) but you helped explain so much! Like the P in the Players, Seth's Crash, black haired companion, all of it! Thank you so much, this was an awesome video!
I actually thought the same thing about Seth after reading that book the first time, but I dismissed the idea because his hair looked more brown to me. It's cool to see that theory expanded upon!
So basically,Seth had to kill his crazy ex-girl friend. That is interesting to say the least. Nevertheless,I like the Nexus. She's not as horrifyingly cruel as Providence or as strong as Ouroboros,but she have the best back story by far. At least she has a reason to exist.
I actually don't think Edna was under the full control of the Nexus. I think that the Nexus ate away the memories of the good humans. For example, if Adelle was in her situation, what if her memories of Elvis, Seth, and Gloria were eaten away, leaving only people such as Bernard, Castor, Folie, Vigintio, and others. I especially believe this when the party confronts Edna. Adelle is the only person that shakes up Edna, when telling her that she used to love humans. Edna also still loves her sister to the very end imo. Like, if she didn't yell out that she'd kill Adelle when she got close, she too would have been eaten by the Nexus. Another strange plot point is that Gloria describes Castor is a very kind boy, during their childhood. Could there have been more to this? Could the Nexus have influenced Castor to drain the water crystal? Perhaps his kindness was eaten, and his aggression fostered by giving him specifically the Beserker asterisk.
@@erikabutler6893 Esmerelda is the current fairy queen, not the fairy queen of the past, whom is the boat lady. She does immediately correctly claim that Seth is a sailor, much to his bewilderment, as he didn't tell her of such, when they first met.
I must confess, the line about there being those who would have seen Seth's life cut short, and the Nexus having a very similarly phrased attack did not escape my notice. It seems far too carefully worded to be coincidence in a game like this. Another interesting "coincidence" is that both Inanna and Seth are ancient mythological names. A Mesopotamian Goddess and an Egyptian God to be precise. None of the other characters have such an explicitly themed naming set.
I really feel like people are blinded by nostalgia with their criticisms for this game. This video single handily addresses and squashes all of their grievances. Definitely my favorite in the series.
Yep, I loved Default 1 and Second. That never altered my view on 2. But I guess my life of trying new things and knowing how to adjust makes me immune to that type of blindness and thank god for that. Can't even imagine being so stubborn like the pokemon Gen 1 fanatics who STILL refuse to admit Gen 1 had MAJOR flaws that future gens fixed well and NO ONE is telling them to give up enjoying Gen 1 (while THEY are the ones telling everyone to give up the future gens to go back to DINOSAUR design that was Gen 1 like they need everyone to do so to feel validated themselves. Like dudes.....love yourselves GET OVER yourselves!)
I also had a mini-theory that the Night Nexus's first phase isn't actually the Night Nexus, but rather it's her companion. There are mainly two bits of evidence that I'd put up to support this theory: 1) The first phase's design has quite the wide shoulders and the chin feels a bit too square, making me first assume it was a male. That, and considering the second phase has the hands surrounding it might be reminiscent of the way he Night Nexus tried to kill Seth in the final fight. Same as when Edna gets absorbed after her fight. 2) The theme when fighting the first phase is called "Marionette of the Night", while the moment the hands show up it switches to "Wisdom lost to the Nexus". It could be that the Night Nexus is using the body as a dummy or a vessel to interact with the main world, since as you said she was imprisoned on the Isle of Nothingness far away. The one thing that does put the theory in question is Seth being there, but my theory there is just that this isn't the Seth from this world, but another. The boat sailing minigame kinda puts this evidence up there, plus the namesake of the Night's "Nexus" (aka a central or focal point), might put evidence that her demise is a constant across all Excellants. Small bonus fact: On the Isle of Nothingness, the area where you fight the Night's Nexus correlates with the geographical location of Musa, except rather than it being the highest mountain, it's the lowest point by being an endless abyss. Just something I find interesting. Excellent video as always!
Honestly, I think you have made me see this game in another way. As a series' fan, not gonna lie I felt a bit dissapointed. Where's the mind-blowing plot twist? Who is the Night Nexus? What happened to Edna? Why did they leave Seth that underdevelopped? Your video might have given me the answers, thank you very much! But I really hope they go easier on us with the lore in Bravely Third/Second II 😅
Head canon obtained, when you beat Adam and get the nonstandard game over the Night's Nexux travels to the "real" world and becomes Providence setting the events of the first two bravely games in motion and losing her own save file protection because leaving her world weakened her asterisk enough that it's strongest ability wasn't accessible all the while her sanity slipped further until we get the Providence we encounter in Bravely Second.
If Seth is the Night's Nexus's/Inanna's companion then I can only imagine how hilarious and awkward the interaction before the final boss must be if he ends up remembering that + plus the fact she more than likely killed him when she became the Night's Nexus. Seth: I'm breaking up with you Inanna! This is a toxic relationship and I've had enough of it. Nexus: Don't say that, we can make this work. Seth: You literally killed me and stole my memories! Nexus: You're still mad about that? It wasn't that big a deal. You got better anyways. And the other three are standing there in the background looking awkward before Elvis says that couples therapy probably won't be able to fix this.
I imagine that the seth that we see is one at the point when he first met her. Asked when she killed and absorbed him She pretty much sucked out all the knowledge he had gained when he was first brought to their world. It was largely the wind crystal grabbing him at the point of when he was drawing before getting isekai! Her looking like Glora meant to me "Seth shared a type" This ain't Seth breaking up with Inanna since she killed "her" Seth so he ain't really leaving her as THIS one never "LOVED HER" as he never knew her!
I’ve been waiting for a video like this to be made since the game released! The lore in this game in particular is kinda spread out and a bit under-explained in the main campaign, so I’m glad you’ve finally made a video talking about at least one part of it.
Thanks for helping me understand it fully because the of mistranslation I wasn’t able to understand at it first. I also think their is a possibility that Seth gave Lady Emma the book before it was passed down to Elvis.
Wow... I went from Bravely Default II being pretty good game, to this is VERY cool and amazing after watching this video! Whether this is true or not, super fantastic job on this video!
I kinda wish there was more cutscenes to show you this lore instead of it being hidden in some random easy to miss books. Ether way I find the idea of the final boss realising it’s in a video game and going insane really interesting.
Her story may correlate to the story in Bravely Default I and Bravely Second. In Bravely Default I, it was stated that Sage Yulyana created the Asterisk to weaken the Crystal Orthodoxy. It may perhaps be that Inanna (Night’s Nexus) might have met with Sage Yulyana and got interested with the creation of “new asterisks”. There is also the point where Sage Yulyana and Lord Lester DeRosso were seen performing powerful magics to open portals leading to other worlds. In Bravely Second, It was stated that Sage Yulyana died after battling Ba’al Diamante, and Lord Lester DeRosso left for worlds unknown. It is clear that Bravely Second took place in the original world where Lord Lester DeRosso did not die. There is also a mention of the Sword of the Brave, it might be that Yokō took an inspiration from the weapons you can find as a drop in the hall of tribulations in the world in Bravely Default II. There also seems a connection between the gods found in Bravely Default I and Bravely Second to the Night’s Nexus in Bravely Default II. The end game dungeons found in both Bravely Default I and Bravely Second might be influenced by the gods, and so I theorised it to be that the isle of nothingness also holds true of that statement. It is seen that if you defeat a god those areas crumbles. It might be possible that the realm of the gods in the bravely series is different from the celestial realm. It will be a good concept if the next game of the Bravely Series will focus on exploring the world/s of the gods. It is not impossible that an asterisk is responsible to make a mere being to become a god in the bravely series. As I said before in the form of a past comment from another video before the released of Bravely Default II. The symbol “II” in the Bravely Default II’s title might be a subtle symbol of the phrase “Pause and Rewind”.
A little late to the party but just some thoughts I wanted to share here I think it's interesting how in Bravely Default 1's final boss theme, the character themes play in the same order as they stand in battle (Tiz's theme, Agnes, Edea then Ringabel). However, in the song The Ones Who Gather Stars in the Night (the final boss theme phase 2), the character themes play in a completely different order: Adelle's, Gloria, Elvis then Seth's, spelling the word A.G.E.S. which further supports your theory at 13:44 Also, when the Night's Nexus tries to eat the memories of the party during the final boss, everyone is brought out of their stupor by Seth. Seth however, was brought out by someone else's voice. A voice that wasn't voice-acted in a game where everyone in every main-quest and many side-quests are voice-acted. What happens when dialogue is voice-acted? You sit back and watch the show. What happens when dialogue isn't voice-acted? You read it, sometimes out loud. If you're a streamer or a let's-player, you're definitely reading it out loud. The voice that brings Seth out of his stupor, grants max BP to the whole party and is ultimately the VIP of the final battle is you, the first letter in Pages of this story.
Well done thank you! The game play carried me through most of the game but I felt the story was so lackluster I lost motivation to finish. After you pointing out how much more there is to the story I’m back on track to FINISHING the game!
I kinda want a prequel DLC for this I’m really curious on how Inanna became this evil power and how she made the librarian asterisk and if she even wanted to be the nexus because some asterisk corrupt people and maybe the librarian became so self aware I mean her first few forms looks like she’s tied and bound like a mummy or someone from a insane asylum
7:51 Great explaining. I didn't collect the journals because I wanted to finish the game so it was great to hear Inanna background. I was kinda disappointed when Bravely Default 2 didn't had the 4th wall break so I'm really glad you explained the book and how Inanna came to despair her world was fictional. Another point that could help is that the cover art of Bravely Default 2 isn't Gloria but Inanna human form before she got corrupted. So maybe we're seeing the past of Inanna looking to us the players of the outside world or reality with Inanna having a resemblance to Gloria
Ugh this was so interesting, I didn’t love Nights Nexus tbh but this makes me wanna play new game plus to see if I can point out all the story on my own lol Also PLEASE make those other theories!
Thank you for compiling all this info, I definitely missed a lot of journals/diaries so I didn't really get proper understanding of the Nexus. Now I just love the game even more
If they do decide to make a direct sequel to this game like they did with Bravely Default and Bravely Second, I think that game could delve more into the lore of the events that happened in the past. Who knows? Maybe the next game will be a prequel to Bravely Default 2 where we play as the original heroes of light, and we learn why Inanna was so desperate to gain as much knowledge as possible. Given the existence of the multiverse in the Bravely Default universe, we may even see characters from the other timeline pop up in the past, or have Seth, Gloria, Elvis, and Adelle travel to a parallel universe where the events of their past are happening currently, and they receive a chance to make things right.
I never commented this video, but was the main reason for makes me love this game, I never realized these details and never did sidequests in my run and I though BD2 was very downgraded in story/plot, but nothing to be in reality
There's also the weird part on how the themes of the Night's Nexus refer to it as a "puppet". The connection to Providence and the Night's Nexus effectively turning herself into a Ba'al. . . What if Providence was looking into taking Excillant for itself but wanted to focus on Luxendarc instead, so it corrupted Innana to clear out Excillant for it. Kind of how Providence sends the Ba'al to do to Luxendarc.
This was really interesting! I just finished the game the other day, so I've been looking forward to checking this video out since I found it before completing the game
Im convinced by this theory; it adds so much to the game I wish they explored it more or added additional dialogue in the final battle if you discovered the journals. Thank you for sharing this!
WOW... I love BD2 but haven't completed it yet... lol. But I loved the input u provided in this video. Great theory research. Thanks Gonna join Discord page next.
i hope they go more into this in the next game, there's enough open ended things in the true ending to hint at a possible direct sequel like how wind strait up tells seth that his "journey must continue"
Such an interesting thought and analysis, really enjoyed the video But a question, at athe beginning of the game when Seth sees the map for the first time, he states that it seems he doesn't know where he was and the map seems wrong to him Do you believe that years ago before the nexus was there the world was different and it shifted through the years?
That could certainly be the case; even in the original Bravely Default, Eternia wasn’t always surrounded by mountains. That happened over a very short course of time, and Seth by this theory died 1050 years before the game’s events. But the easier answer is that he simply doesn’t recognize Excillant because he has no memory of the place, or what happened there, as the Nexus had consumed his mind. And thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed it :)
Is It possible that the player Is helping "his own"Seth? I mean, every player have his personal game, and every Seth have same background. The night Nexus, seeking for knowledge, want to devoure Memories from outher worlds, and in this way created multiple copy of herself, for restore in case of defeat, but in this way created multiple copy of her memory...with Seth in it. Some players ended the game, others dropped...others never bought It. Completing the game we clean the game from Night Nexus, but other players have the nexus in it. At the beginning of the last chapter we are seeing another player save file, where he/she lost the last battle. It's like all player have a "collective memory" and we are trying to clean our copy from the nexus, hoping to clean all copy and save the "outher worlds" from beeing devoured. Is It to much? 😅
It never occured to me that Seth was the dear friend to Night's Nexus who was murdered. Before, I was just thinking "who is Seth? What is his backstory?" and it bothered me and didn't seem right. Now it makes sense and the game feels more complete. I wish there were more clues given because I doubt most people will figure it out. Maybe one day there will be a re-release with a much needed bestiary and quest log, a post game dungeon, and it will better explain this matter with Seth. I wouldn't mind if the game comes right out and tells you this is how it was, with a flashback scene of Seth and Inanna from 1000 years ago. As for the similarities between the final bosses... they are beings who have reached god status in the bravely world, and they'd like to escape to the celestial realm to destroy it or have control over it. Nice job pointing out the similar appearance and moves they have, but I'm not sure if there are any relations other than that. You could probably make videos like this for each of the final bosses. I don't think the first two have as much backstory revealed but there's still a lot to talk about. Especially with Providence who uses a move called 'New World Order' and looks the same as the eye atop the pyramid on the dollar bill, which is actually called The Eye of Providence. I think the developers were definitely trying to say something with that. Also I didn't know there was a false ending after defeating Adam early. That's cool. Nice video, I really enjoyed it.
If Seth was Inanna's black-haired companion, then why did Esmeralda not seem to recognize him? Still, an interesting theory regardless. I think it would be interesting to see how Folie may relate to the Nexus to be further elaborated upon.
That is a very good question! There are a couple of ideas I have that might answer it, one very simply being that she didn't think Seth could be the same person that had been killed by the Nexus ages ago. That being said, she could've made a remark about how similar he looked to "someone she once knew", but then again Esmeralda doesn't bother telling the party directly about Inanna and how she revealed the Asterisks to her - we only learn about that through her diary, so perhaps it's not a topic she wanted to engage. Still, I do recognize that this is a pretty solid poke at my theory. And same! I too wonder what the deal with Folie is...
I figured it had something to do with his memory being removed, somehow also erasing his memory from the minds of others. Similar to the weirdness with Aileen not being recognized.
The way I see it, when the Night's Nexus consumes the memories of someone, it also removes the memories of that person in others from the world. While anything written about or drawn of them remains, it's like the person is a picture that's been scribbled over. You might be able to remember tiny details about them, like hair color, but most of them is unrecognizable. So for example Esmeralda remembers that Inanna had a companion of some kind, but not their name or what they looked like. Which is why she doesn't recognize Seth. Or for Aileen. The fairies remember they had a queen before Esmeralda stepped in to fill the role of their leader, since obviously there had to be someone before her (and possibly Aileen's role as a Hero of Light who helped seal the Nexus previously), but they don't remember where she went or what happened to her. And them not remembering what happened to her could have contributed to them sealing off Mag Mell. Since Aileen went missing while in the outside world, it'd be pretty logical to assume that it was the result of humans, so they seal off Mag Mell in order to protect the rest of their kin from suffering the same fate.
But more importantly...Why is Elvis’s nobility mentioned twice and never touched on again? Where’s his family? Why does he have the Black Mage Outfit at the end screen of the true ending? Does he say “Eat Sourcery” or “Eat Sausage”? Is he actually old or just not very athletic? Is his “special interest” for feet canon?
@@eroraf8637 I said that for people playing Default, said the opposite for people playing Second, and now have swapped back to saying to do them again here.
His family is mentioned to be backers of the Institute in Wiswald by one of the Mage's in the building there (heard this NPC during the quest to reach Roddy in Chapter 2) Frankly, Elvis stated he doesn't like to bring them up much and him being him. Most never notice it (Even Castor threw doubt on it because of how El presents himself, but then we know he's an elitist jerk so that makes sense that he assumed all nobles would act as he and Glora do) it more illustrated how more down to "earth" he is and how is CAN be weary of trickery and such especially dealing with nobles, those in power, ETC. It's likely Elvis isn't on grand terms with his family during the point of the story. Not to disownment as he's still using their last name. But is likely in "your free to do as you like, but you won't do so on our dime ma boy!"
I just finished the game recently and had lots of questions and wasn't sure how I felt about Seth and the Night's Nexus. All the other characters had there own developments, and while Seth is of course partly a self insert for the player, I was hoping for more (I really liked Yew when I played Second years before). That said, Pokemon's my favorite series so a self insert is what I'm used to, so it wasn't a huuuge deal. Funnily, the thought that Seth and the Nexus were connected never came to me when they were who I questioned the most and makes me like them a lot more, especially with the Nexus having always been a looming threat instead of what Airy and Anne did in just serving a higher being. That Nexus attack name screams the connection between the two. Then again, I missed the diary in Wiswald, so I'm a bit klutzy with connecting the pieces and thought for sure Emma (and maybe Sloan) was gonna be a villain cause that sidequest in the institute had Elvis say her physical age was wack. For sure she's been around for thousands of years and had ulterior motives- no she just used magic to stay alive a bit longer and died eventually (and then Sloan kinda did that age change anyway when you had to fight him which felt like a jab at my theory lmao). Either way, great video!
Gotta say, beat the game just yesterday, and didn't draw some of these connections, but they sound very much like what's meant to be going on. Night's Nexus being a god (or in this case, not really a straight up god, but very godlike) like the other two games that had gods makes sense they all knew about an outer world. Seth being the person who loved Innana also makes sense thinking about it, though the final fact you made about the draws between Providence and Nights Nexus has me curious. As much as they try to distance BD2 from the other games by saying its entirely its own world and everything, it's also known throughout all three games there are multiple worlds/dimensions, plus with the comparisons between the two, it almost makes me wonder, are these alternate forms of the same god, just for each of their own "worlds" or "dimensions", or are they just meant to be similar for the sake of being a throwback to Bravely Second? Which then in that case also makes me wonder if possibly, since all these gods know about an "outer world" being the real world, is it possible that a Bravely Second for BD2 could come out to draw it closer to BD1, so a Bravely Third could connect the two completely and the entire multiple dimension stuff? Bravely is a wild series that man, when you dive into it, while you can find some answers, I feel some stuff has yet to be connected.
speaking of the similarities to Providence I realized the game as a whole feels like what would happen if you combined the stories of BD1 and BS into one mishmashed story You have an immensely powerful being sealed away who wishes to destroy the world and consume all (Ouroboros), who ends up learning that their world is fabricated and that there are people looking into the world to observe it (Providence), who have a fairy servant who's sole goal is to bring them into the world to destroy it and/or bring a new world order (Both), and the crystals are only a temporary solution to the larger problem (Bravely Default), and the only way to deal with the threat is to receive outside help from the player who has to mess with the game's saves (Bravely Second), but the supposed 'Main Antagonist' is just someone who wants what they think is best for the world but ends up contributing to the larger problem (both). The main character acts as a player stand in while also having their own personalities and has experienced a traumatic loss of a loved one (Tiz and his brother, Yew and his brother, Seth and Innana), the leading female role is a woman who's duty is to protect the world from the threat that is immediately endangering the world (Agnes and the dying Crystals, Magnolia and the Ba'al, Gloria and the Night's Nexus's seal weakening), a man with a book that holds all the secrets to the looming threat (Ringabel with his journal of his life in his world, Elvis with the Nexus's memories), a man who has undergone mysterious experiences prior to joining the party (Ringabel from the previous world, Tiz having fallen into slumber after releasing a celestial possessing him, and Seth who washed up on shore with barely any memories of who he once was), the woman who stood against her people's beliefs to fight for the greater good (Edea, Edea again, and Adelle who challenged her people's beliefs that all humans were tainted and would only bring about destruction, and the woman put in charge of the Wind Crystal (Agnes and Gloria). Oh and the comic relief character (Ringabel in BD1, Edea in BS, and Elvis in BD2). Also the fairy companion that contributes to a big plot twist (Airy actually being the enemy, Anne turning against Kaiser + being Airy's sister, Adelle being a fairy [and a good one, this time]) It's like they wanted to take what they did with BD1 and BS and fix the mistakes they made but without remaking both games from scratch so they just made a new game and made both stories into one singular story
Ok, but that final boss fight was still a bitch! Also, I think you should have mentioned the ‘person’ who was calling to Vigintio during that one side quest (Where you get the divine staff).
Her backstory is cool, but she sounds generic AF, all she says is "memories, mine, aaahh" with a really bad voice effect (my favourite final boss in Bravely series voice still is Ouroboros). It's a bit dissapointing
sure and Ouroboros is all about “destruction! destroy everything!” gonna be honest, his voice is so deep you can barely tell what he’s saying. the only way to know is the text box. there’s also no build up to him at all. no mention anywhere except near the end of the game. he kinda just shows up.
@@YourBoyGuzma Yeah it's pretty much trying to argue why a pot is better than a kettle in this regard. 😂 At least Providence got some foreshadowing, though it's a shame he's stuck in the game with the most memey writing and ultimately isn't any better 😅
@@izzy1356 yeah if anything I’d have to say Ouroboros = Providence = Nexus since they all have their different pros and cons. it’s also hard for me to decide which I prefer over the other so I just put them all equal. but they’re all really amazing final bosses nonetheless.
@@VGPorage yeah that’s probably the reason why, but I will admit even if Ouroboros was a whacky final boss with a strange design, he was a bit imitating with his music. absolute banger right there. same with Providence and the Nexus. all of them were unique and epic in their own ways even if they all had whacky voices and crazy designs.
In a Famitsu interview with producer Amano, he said that the woman in Bravely Default II's cover art is not Gloria, but actually the Night's Nexus' human form before she got corrupted. Because of this, it can be assumed that Inanna bears a striking resemblance with Gloria. This would heavily explain
why Seth is drawn to her and follows her.
She went mad gathering too much knowledge and was driven to devour everything.
I just finished the game for the first time yesterday (it being my first Bravely game) and i heard people didn't like it as much compared to the first 2 games bc of it's story, (i still liked the story from my play through) but you helped explain so much! Like the P in the Players, Seth's Crash, black haired companion, all of it! Thank you so much, this was an awesome video!
I actually thought the same thing about Seth after reading that book the first time, but I dismissed the idea because his hair looked more brown to me. It's cool to see that theory expanded upon!
So basically,Seth had to kill his crazy ex-girl friend.
That is interesting to say the least.
Nevertheless,I like the Nexus.
She's not as horrifyingly cruel as Providence or as strong as Ouroboros,but she have the best back story by far.
At least she has a reason to exist.
The night's nexus certainly has a lot of cool ideas, I just wish they were better conveyed.
I actually don't think Edna was under the full control of the Nexus. I think that the Nexus ate away the memories of the good humans.
For example, if Adelle was in her situation, what if her memories of Elvis, Seth, and Gloria were eaten away, leaving only people such as Bernard, Castor, Folie, Vigintio, and others.
I especially believe this when the party confronts Edna. Adelle is the only person that shakes up Edna, when telling her that she used to love humans.
Edna also still loves her sister to the very end imo. Like, if she didn't yell out that she'd kill Adelle when she got close, she too would have been eaten by the Nexus.
Another strange plot point is that Gloria describes Castor is a very kind boy, during their childhood. Could there have been more to this? Could the Nexus have influenced Castor to drain the water crystal? Perhaps his kindness was eaten, and his aggression fostered by giving him specifically the Beserker asterisk.
Could this be why Esmeralda doesn't recognize Seth, even when he is the black-haired companion of Inanna?
@@erikabutler6893 Esmerelda is the current fairy queen, not the fairy queen of the past, whom is the boat lady.
She does immediately correctly claim that Seth is a sailor, much to his bewilderment, as he didn't tell her of such, when they first met.
@@exultantblade50 The description of the black-haired man comes from Esmeralda's diary.
I must confess, the line about there being those who would have seen Seth's life cut short, and the Nexus having a very similarly phrased attack did not escape my notice. It seems far too carefully worded to be coincidence in a game like this.
Another interesting "coincidence" is that both Inanna and Seth are ancient mythological names. A Mesopotamian Goddess and an Egyptian God to be precise. None of the other characters have such an explicitly themed naming set.
I really feel like people are blinded by nostalgia with their criticisms for this game. This video single handily addresses and squashes all of their grievances. Definitely my favorite in the series.
Totally agree.
Yep, I loved Default 1 and Second. That never altered my view on 2. But I guess my life of trying new things and knowing how to adjust makes me immune to that type of blindness and thank god for that. Can't even imagine being so stubborn like the pokemon Gen 1 fanatics who STILL refuse to admit Gen 1 had MAJOR flaws that future gens fixed well and NO ONE is telling them to give up enjoying Gen 1 (while THEY are the ones telling everyone to give up the future gens to go back to DINOSAUR design that was Gen 1 like they need everyone to do so to feel validated themselves. Like dudes.....love yourselves GET OVER yourselves!)
There are A LOT of similarities to Providence and the Nexus, even in writing. Honestly makes me wonder
I also had a mini-theory that the Night Nexus's first phase isn't actually the Night Nexus, but rather it's her companion. There are mainly two bits of evidence that I'd put up to support this theory:
1) The first phase's design has quite the wide shoulders and the chin feels a bit too square, making me first assume it was a male. That, and considering the second phase has the hands surrounding it might be reminiscent of the way he Night Nexus tried to kill Seth in the final fight. Same as when Edna gets absorbed after her fight.
2) The theme when fighting the first phase is called "Marionette of the Night", while the moment the hands show up it switches to "Wisdom lost to the Nexus". It could be that the Night Nexus is using the body as a dummy or a vessel to interact with the main world, since as you said she was imprisoned on the Isle of Nothingness far away.
The one thing that does put the theory in question is Seth being there, but my theory there is just that this isn't the Seth from this world, but another. The boat sailing minigame kinda puts this evidence up there, plus the namesake of the Night's "Nexus" (aka a central or focal point), might put evidence that her demise is a constant across all Excellants.
Small bonus fact: On the Isle of Nothingness, the area where you fight the Night's Nexus correlates with the geographical location of Musa, except rather than it being the highest mountain, it's the lowest point by being an endless abyss. Just something I find interesting.
Excellent video as always!
Honestly, I think you have made me see this game in another way. As a series' fan, not gonna lie I felt a bit dissapointed. Where's the mind-blowing plot twist? Who is the Night Nexus? What happened to Edna? Why did they leave Seth that underdevelopped? Your video might have given me the answers, thank you very much!
But I really hope they go easier on us with the lore in Bravely Third/Second II 😅
Head canon obtained, when you beat Adam and get the nonstandard game over the Night's Nexux travels to the "real" world and becomes Providence setting the events of the first two bravely games in motion and losing her own save file protection because leaving her world weakened her asterisk enough that it's strongest ability wasn't accessible all the while her sanity slipped further until we get the Providence we encounter in Bravely Second.
That is probably the best answer to the Providence question I've heard yet
If Seth is the Night's Nexus's/Inanna's companion then I can only imagine how hilarious and awkward the interaction before the final boss must be if he ends up remembering that + plus the fact she more than likely killed him when she became the Night's Nexus.
Seth: I'm breaking up with you Inanna! This is a toxic relationship and I've had enough of it.
Nexus: Don't say that, we can make this work.
Seth: You literally killed me and stole my memories!
Nexus: You're still mad about that? It wasn't that big a deal. You got better anyways.
And the other three are standing there in the background looking awkward before Elvis says that couples therapy probably won't be able to fix this.
I imagine that the seth that we see is one at the point when he first met her. Asked when she killed and absorbed him She pretty much sucked out all the knowledge he had gained when he was first brought to their world. It was largely the wind crystal grabbing him at the point of when he was drawing before getting isekai! Her looking like Glora meant to me "Seth shared a type"
This ain't Seth breaking up with Inanna since she killed "her" Seth so he ain't really leaving her as THIS one never "LOVED HER" as he never knew her!
I’ve been waiting for a video like this to be made since the game released! The lore in this game in particular is kinda spread out and a bit under-explained in the main campaign, so I’m glad you’ve finally made a video talking about at least one part of it.
Red, how the hell did you solve almost all of Bravely Default II's mysteries in 20 minutes?
Thanks for helping me understand it fully because the of mistranslation I wasn’t able to understand at it first. I also think their is a possibility that Seth gave Lady Emma the book before it was passed down to Elvis.
Wow... I went from Bravely Default II being pretty good game, to this is VERY cool and amazing after watching this video!
Whether this is true or not, super fantastic job on this video!
I kinda wish there was more cutscenes to show you this lore instead of it being hidden in some random easy to miss books.
Ether way I find the idea of the final boss realising it’s in a video game and going insane really interesting.
Her story may correlate to the story in Bravely Default I and Bravely Second. In Bravely Default I, it was stated that Sage Yulyana created the Asterisk to weaken the Crystal Orthodoxy. It may perhaps be that Inanna (Night’s Nexus) might have met with Sage Yulyana and got interested with the creation of “new asterisks”. There is also the point where Sage Yulyana and Lord Lester DeRosso were seen performing powerful magics to open portals leading to other worlds.
In Bravely Second, It was stated that Sage Yulyana died after battling Ba’al Diamante, and Lord Lester DeRosso left for worlds unknown. It is clear that Bravely Second took place in the original world where Lord Lester DeRosso did not die. There is also a mention of the Sword of the Brave, it might be that Yokō took an inspiration from the weapons you can find as a drop in the hall of tribulations in the world in Bravely Default II. There also seems a connection between the gods found in Bravely Default I and Bravely Second to the Night’s Nexus in Bravely Default II. The end game dungeons found in both Bravely Default I and Bravely Second might be influenced by the gods, and so I theorised it to be that the isle of nothingness also holds true of that statement. It is seen that if you defeat a god those areas crumbles. It might be possible that the realm of the gods in the bravely series is different from the celestial realm.
It will be a good concept if the next game of the Bravely Series will focus on exploring the world/s of the gods. It is not impossible that an asterisk is responsible to make a mere being to become a god in the bravely series.
As I said before in the form of a past comment from another video before the released of Bravely Default II. The symbol “II” in the Bravely Default II’s title might be a subtle symbol of the phrase “Pause and Rewind”.
A little late to the party but just some thoughts I wanted to share here
I think it's interesting how in Bravely Default 1's final boss theme, the character themes play in the same order as they stand in battle (Tiz's theme, Agnes, Edea then Ringabel). However, in the song The Ones Who Gather Stars in the Night (the final boss theme phase 2), the character themes play in a completely different order: Adelle's, Gloria, Elvis then Seth's, spelling the word A.G.E.S. which further supports your theory at 13:44
Also, when the Night's Nexus tries to eat the memories of the party during the final boss, everyone is brought out of their stupor by Seth. Seth however, was brought out by someone else's voice. A voice that wasn't voice-acted in a game where everyone in every main-quest and many side-quests are voice-acted. What happens when dialogue is voice-acted? You sit back and watch the show. What happens when dialogue isn't voice-acted? You read it, sometimes out loud. If you're a streamer or a let's-player, you're definitely reading it out loud. The voice that brings Seth out of his stupor, grants max BP to the whole party and is ultimately the VIP of the final battle is you, the first letter in Pages of this story.
Thank you for this! I missed a fair number of the journals...now I'm looking forward to exploring more of this for myself in NG+!
Good job. This is a great video and it has made me appreciatte more the ending of Bravely default 2 and also Seth as a character.
Well done thank you! The game play carried me through most of the game but I felt the story was so lackluster I lost motivation to finish. After you pointing out how much more there is to the story I’m back on track to FINISHING the game!
I kinda want a prequel DLC for this I’m really curious on how Inanna became this evil power and how she made the librarian asterisk and if she even wanted to be the nexus because some asterisk corrupt people and maybe the librarian became so self aware
I mean her first few forms looks like she’s tied and bound like a mummy or someone from a insane asylum
Absolute banger video, thank you so much for this.
I love all these videos. Glad to find someone else that loves these games like I do.
This makes a whole lot of sense always found Seth mysterious
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Great explaining. I didn't collect the journals because I wanted to finish the game so it was great to hear Inanna background. I was kinda disappointed when Bravely Default 2 didn't had the 4th wall break so I'm really glad you explained the book and how Inanna came to despair her world was fictional. Another point that could help is that the cover art of Bravely Default 2 isn't Gloria but Inanna human form before she got corrupted. So maybe we're seeing the past of Inanna looking to us the players of the outside world or reality with Inanna having a resemblance to Gloria
Ugh this was so interesting, I didn’t love Nights Nexus tbh but this makes me wanna play new game plus to see if I can point out all the story on my own lol
Also PLEASE make those other theories!
Thank you for compiling all this info, I definitely missed a lot of journals/diaries so I didn't really get proper understanding of the Nexus. Now I just love the game even more
If they do decide to make a direct sequel to this game like they did with Bravely Default and Bravely Second, I think that game could delve more into the lore of the events that happened in the past. Who knows? Maybe the next game will be a prequel to Bravely Default 2 where we play as the original heroes of light, and we learn why Inanna was so desperate to gain as much knowledge as possible. Given the existence of the multiverse in the Bravely Default universe, we may even see characters from the other timeline pop up in the past, or have Seth, Gloria, Elvis, and Adelle travel to a parallel universe where the events of their past are happening currently, and they receive a chance to make things right.
I never commented this video, but was the main reason for makes me love this game, I never realized these details and never did sidequests in my run and I though BD2 was very downgraded in story/plot, but nothing to be in reality
There's also the weird part on how the themes of the Night's Nexus refer to it as a "puppet".
The connection to Providence and the Night's Nexus effectively turning herself into a Ba'al. . . What if Providence was looking into taking Excillant for itself but wanted to focus on Luxendarc instead, so it corrupted Innana to clear out Excillant for it. Kind of how Providence sends the Ba'al to do to Luxendarc.
This was really interesting! I just finished the game the other day, so I've been looking forward to checking this video out since I found it before completing the game
This theory is gold. I love how it ties all these loose threads together.
Nice, you bring up a lot of good points. I like the idea of the connection between Seth and the Nexus.
Fun fact, apparently the women holding the book before you open the game is not gloria but its apperently the nexus in human form.
I absolutely loved this! I felt the ending was a little empty, but not so after watching this! (I wish I didn't miss those books on my playthrough 😭)
Im convinced by this theory; it adds so much to the game I wish they explored it more or added additional dialogue in the final battle if you discovered the journals. Thank you for sharing this!
WOW... I love BD2 but haven't completed it yet... lol. But I loved the input u provided in this video. Great theory research. Thanks
Gonna join Discord page next.
i hope they go more into this in the next game, there's enough open ended things in the true ending to hint at a possible direct sequel like how wind strait up tells seth that his "journey must continue"
Such an interesting thought and analysis, really enjoyed the video
But a question, at athe beginning of the game when Seth sees the map for the first time, he states that it seems he doesn't know where he was and the map seems wrong to him
Do you believe that years ago before the nexus was there the world was different and it shifted through the years?
That could certainly be the case; even in the original Bravely Default, Eternia wasn’t always surrounded by mountains. That happened over a very short course of time, and Seth by this theory died 1050 years before the game’s events. But the easier answer is that he simply doesn’t recognize Excillant because he has no memory of the place, or what happened there, as the Nexus had consumed his mind. And thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed it :)
Is It possible that the player Is helping "his own"Seth?
I mean, every player have his personal game, and every Seth have same background. The night Nexus, seeking for knowledge, want to devoure Memories from outher worlds, and in this way created multiple copy of herself, for restore in case of defeat, but in this way created multiple copy of her memory...with Seth in it.
Some players ended the game, others dropped...others never bought It.
Completing the game we clean the game from Night Nexus, but other players have the nexus in it.
At the beginning of the last chapter we are seeing another player save file, where he/she lost the last battle. It's like all player have a "collective memory" and we are trying to clean our copy from the nexus, hoping to clean all copy and save the "outher worlds" from beeing devoured.
Is It to much? 😅
A shame we haven't gotten dlc for this game, though I'm hoping for something from the upcoming anniversary livestream!
I really wish this info was more openly presented to us in the game
Fantastic vid
It never occured to me that Seth was the dear friend to Night's Nexus who was murdered. Before, I was just thinking "who is Seth? What is his backstory?" and it bothered me and didn't seem right. Now it makes sense and the game feels more complete.
I wish there were more clues given because I doubt most people will figure it out. Maybe one day there will be a re-release with a much needed bestiary and quest log, a post game dungeon, and it will better explain this matter with Seth. I wouldn't mind if the game comes right out and tells you this is how it was, with a flashback scene of Seth and Inanna from 1000 years ago.
As for the similarities between the final bosses... they are beings who have reached god status in the bravely world, and they'd like to escape to the celestial realm to destroy it or have control over it. Nice job pointing out the similar appearance and moves they have, but I'm not sure if there are any relations other than that.
You could probably make videos like this for each of the final bosses. I don't think the first two have as much backstory revealed but there's still a lot to talk about. Especially with Providence who uses a move called 'New World Order' and looks the same as the eye atop the pyramid on the dollar bill, which is actually called The Eye of Providence. I think the developers were definitely trying to say something with that.
Also I didn't know there was a false ending after defeating Adam early. That's cool. Nice video, I really enjoyed it.
My main question is...who gave the medic asterisk to tbe guy you get it from?
For the Salvemaker, that was Aileen
If Seth was Inanna's black-haired companion, then why did Esmeralda not seem to recognize him? Still, an interesting theory regardless.
I think it would be interesting to see how Folie may relate to the Nexus to be further elaborated upon.
That is a very good question! There are a couple of ideas I have that might answer it, one very simply being that she didn't think Seth could be the same person that had been killed by the Nexus ages ago. That being said, she could've made a remark about how similar he looked to "someone she once knew", but then again Esmeralda doesn't bother telling the party directly about Inanna and how she revealed the Asterisks to her - we only learn about that through her diary, so perhaps it's not a topic she wanted to engage. Still, I do recognize that this is a pretty solid poke at my theory. And same! I too wonder what the deal with Folie is...
Very similar with Edea, Mazher and Braev not recognizing Ringabel
I figured it had something to do with his memory being removed, somehow also erasing his memory from the minds of others. Similar to the weirdness with Aileen not being recognized.
@@RedNovaTyrant In retrospect, it might be because Gloria is the spitting image of Inanna, so it must just be all humans look the same.
The way I see it, when the Night's Nexus consumes the memories of someone, it also removes the memories of that person in others from the world. While anything written about or drawn of them remains, it's like the person is a picture that's been scribbled over. You might be able to remember tiny details about them, like hair color, but most of them is unrecognizable. So for example Esmeralda remembers that Inanna had a companion of some kind, but not their name or what they looked like. Which is why she doesn't recognize Seth. Or for Aileen. The fairies remember they had a queen before Esmeralda stepped in to fill the role of their leader, since obviously there had to be someone before her (and possibly Aileen's role as a Hero of Light who helped seal the Nexus previously), but they don't remember where she went or what happened to her. And them not remembering what happened to her could have contributed to them sealing off Mag Mell. Since Aileen went missing while in the outside world, it'd be pretty logical to assume that it was the result of humans, so they seal off Mag Mell in order to protect the rest of their kin from suffering the same fate.
But more importantly...Why is Elvis’s nobility mentioned twice and never touched on again? Where’s his family? Why does he have the Black Mage Outfit at the end screen of the true ending? Does he say “Eat Sourcery” or “Eat Sausage”? Is he actually old or just not very athletic? Is his “special interest” for feet canon?
Do the sidequests. They explain a lot.
@@eroraf8637 I said that for people playing Default, said the opposite for people playing Second, and now have swapped back to saying to do them again here.
His family is mentioned to be backers of the Institute in Wiswald by one of the Mage's in the building there (heard this NPC during the quest to reach Roddy in Chapter 2) Frankly, Elvis stated he doesn't like to bring them up much and him being him. Most never notice it (Even Castor threw doubt on it because of how El presents himself, but then we know he's an elitist jerk so that makes sense that he assumed all nobles would act as he and Glora do) it more illustrated how more down to "earth" he is and how is CAN be weary of trickery and such especially dealing with nobles, those in power, ETC.
It's likely Elvis isn't on grand terms with his family during the point of the story. Not to disownment as he's still using their last name. But is likely in "your free to do as you like, but you won't do so on our dime ma boy!"
I just finished the game recently and had lots of questions and wasn't sure how I felt about Seth and the Night's Nexus. All the other characters had there own developments, and while Seth is of course partly a self insert for the player, I was hoping for more (I really liked Yew when I played Second years before). That said, Pokemon's my favorite series so a self insert is what I'm used to, so it wasn't a huuuge deal.
Funnily, the thought that Seth and the Nexus were connected never came to me when they were who I questioned the most and makes me like them a lot more, especially with the Nexus having always been a looming threat instead of what Airy and Anne did in just serving a higher being. That Nexus attack name screams the connection between the two.
Then again, I missed the diary in Wiswald, so I'm a bit klutzy with connecting the pieces and thought for sure Emma (and maybe Sloan) was gonna be a villain cause that sidequest in the institute had Elvis say her physical age was wack. For sure she's been around for thousands of years and had ulterior motives- no she just used magic to stay alive a bit longer and died eventually (and then Sloan kinda did that age change anyway when you had to fight him which felt like a jab at my theory lmao).
Either way, great video!
Gotta say, beat the game just yesterday, and didn't draw some of these connections, but they sound very much like what's meant to be going on. Night's Nexus being a god (or in this case, not really a straight up god, but very godlike) like the other two games that had gods makes sense they all knew about an outer world. Seth being the person who loved Innana also makes sense thinking about it, though the final fact you made about the draws between Providence and Nights Nexus has me curious. As much as they try to distance BD2 from the other games by saying its entirely its own world and everything, it's also known throughout all three games there are multiple worlds/dimensions, plus with the comparisons between the two, it almost makes me wonder, are these alternate forms of the same god, just for each of their own "worlds" or "dimensions", or are they just meant to be similar for the sake of being a throwback to Bravely Second? Which then in that case also makes me wonder if possibly, since all these gods know about an "outer world" being the real world, is it possible that a Bravely Second for BD2 could come out to draw it closer to BD1, so a Bravely Third could connect the two completely and the entire multiple dimension stuff? Bravely is a wild series that man, when you dive into it, while you can find some answers, I feel some stuff has yet to be connected.
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speaking of the similarities to Providence I realized the game as a whole feels like what would happen if you combined the stories of BD1 and BS into one mishmashed story
You have an immensely powerful being sealed away who wishes to destroy the world and consume all (Ouroboros), who ends up learning that their world is fabricated and that there are people looking into the world to observe it (Providence), who have a fairy servant who's sole goal is to bring them into the world to destroy it and/or bring a new world order (Both), and the crystals are only a temporary solution to the larger problem (Bravely Default), and the only way to deal with the threat is to receive outside help from the player who has to mess with the game's saves (Bravely Second), but the supposed 'Main Antagonist' is just someone who wants what they think is best for the world but ends up contributing to the larger problem (both).
The main character acts as a player stand in while also having their own personalities and has experienced a traumatic loss of a loved one (Tiz and his brother, Yew and his brother, Seth and Innana), the leading female role is a woman who's duty is to protect the world from the threat that is immediately endangering the world (Agnes and the dying Crystals, Magnolia and the Ba'al, Gloria and the Night's Nexus's seal weakening), a man with a book that holds all the secrets to the looming threat (Ringabel with his journal of his life in his world, Elvis with the Nexus's memories), a man who has undergone mysterious experiences prior to joining the party (Ringabel from the previous world, Tiz having fallen into slumber after releasing a celestial possessing him, and Seth who washed up on shore with barely any memories of who he once was), the woman who stood against her people's beliefs to fight for the greater good (Edea, Edea again, and Adelle who challenged her people's beliefs that all humans were tainted and would only bring about destruction, and the woman put in charge of the Wind Crystal (Agnes and Gloria). Oh and the comic relief character (Ringabel in BD1, Edea in BS, and Elvis in BD2).
Also the fairy companion that contributes to a big plot twist (Airy actually being the enemy, Anne turning against Kaiser + being Airy's sister, Adelle being a fairy [and a good one, this time])
It's like they wanted to take what they did with BD1 and BS and fix the mistakes they made but without remaking both games from scratch so they just made a new game and made both stories into one singular story
That's just a theory, A GAME THEORY !
Well this was interesting
So it’s a story about a horrible breakup yikes lol jk I enjoy your thoughts and if confirmed this is the best one yet
Ok, but that final boss fight was still a bitch! Also, I think you should have mentioned the ‘person’ who was calling to Vigintio during that one side quest (Where you get the divine staff).
So a lot of this is in the assumption that Seth is the black haired compaion. But Seth has dark brown hair though?
Her backstory is cool, but she sounds generic AF, all she says is "memories, mine, aaahh" with a really bad voice effect (my favourite final boss in Bravely series voice still is Ouroboros). It's a bit dissapointing
sure and Ouroboros is all about “destruction! destroy everything!” gonna be honest, his voice is so deep you can barely tell what he’s saying. the only way to know is the text box. there’s also no build up to him at all. no mention anywhere except near the end of the game. he kinda just shows up.
@@YourBoyGuzma Yeah it's pretty much trying to argue why a pot is better than a kettle in this regard. 😂
At least Providence got some foreshadowing, though it's a shame he's stuck in the game with the most memey writing and ultimately isn't any better 😅
@@YourBoyGuzma He does have one of the best boss theme ever though. I think that is biggest reason why people remember him so fondly.
@@izzy1356 yeah if anything I’d have to say Ouroboros = Providence = Nexus since they all have their different pros and cons. it’s also hard for me to decide which I prefer over the other so I just put them all equal. but they’re all really amazing final bosses nonetheless.
@@VGPorage yeah that’s probably the reason why, but I will admit even if Ouroboros was a whacky final boss with a strange design, he was a bit imitating with his music. absolute banger right there. same with Providence and the Nexus. all of them were unique and epic in their own ways even if they all had whacky voices and crazy designs.