With the flea market bans and the recoil changes and whatnot. i have seen the ASH-12 been used quite a bit more compared to previous wipes and the fact you could argue due to previously mentioned changes compared to previous wipes it got a bit on an indirect buff.
"The makarov is got a small magazine" EXCUSE ME, nuh uh, you forgot the 84 drum magazine that is available with mechanic level 2, clearly the list must be redone to have it on A tier at least smh 😤
I'll make a case for the PL-15. Of all the 9x19 pistols, it has the best stats out of the box and it is a total laser beam. But, it's still a 9mm pistol lol. But I think it firmly deserves C tier just for it's stock handling.
The shrimp is the best pistol for the price, it is inexpensive af and deadly if u have SP13 unlocked and Sp10 is also good to go if you just go for the head
@@richardpreisler3352 it's straight up barterable for 70 ps 5.45 if you break them apart in the workbench for some kite, arguably cheaper than most other pistols if you're patient
small nitpick: m45 cannot mount a red dot whereas m1911 can, which makes the 1911 better for me. Used to run a 1911 with 11 round mags as backup on sniper runs and it works great with the red dot. One less round than usp, still has red dot, and very cheap.
I agree with all your logic, but there are a few guns I have softspots for. I think it'd be fun to have a "you're paid, what's the best of the best" tier list and a "you're poor, what is the best value for a budget run" tier list. Overall great content though.
Great vid, but I really do hope BSG somehow changes the "big boy round" meta because I feel like I haven't been shot with anything but just 7.62 rounds for 3 months. I yearn for the day I meet fellow RIP round user on every map and not just on factory.
Loving this mate! Ay, congrats on your new kiddo, just had mine 8 months ago as well. Gah, finding tarkov time is QUITE difficult these days lol. Cheers mate!
RSASS is S-tier Imo. I'd never buy it myself due to the prize but I get a ton of them from the scav case. Because you can't sell them on the flea you might as well use them. You can get almost as good stats as M1A and way better stats than G28 and SR-25. Even now I have like 10 RSASS in my stash. If you regularly buy the moonshine scav case a lot, you often get RSASS.
@@Gigabeef love to hear that! A bit longer form, getting concise information on 1 category of stuff, less strain on the editing I would hope as well. Looking forward to seeing the next one like this!
Great vid as always. I think your ranking of the revolver shotty is pretty spot on, but one of it's biggest advantages is it's accuracy, for spa tour part one, I slapped some ap-20 in there and picked off scavs at ranges they wouldn't even agro on me, even managed to hit a 200m headshot onto scav island with it. Just wish you could throw any kind of 4x scope on it, doing that with only a red dot was difficult.
Mosin sniper (with shrewd .308 muzzle break) has the highest base stat muzzle velocity in the game. My go to for laser beaming rouges 300meters away on lighthouse. Super situational but I feel it should be a little higher on the tier list.
All S tier weapons he mentions + some small notes from what he said UMP- good value, low recoil and rpm P90 - good defualt stats, nice all rounder MP7AI and MP7A2- lasers close range Mutant - low rpm, high damage, modable RFB - value, get early game Sv98 - sniper
honestly the HK416 has become F tier for me over time, terribly high recoil compared to the M4A1 with only a 50 rpm difference, and with how weak 5.56 can feel in some cases the gun truly feels awful.
@@jesse7328 Usually in these tier lists they are seperated by category, otherwise what's the point? The HK could be F tier compared to other assault rifles...
@@high1458 I run a 56 recoil m4 because i like the fact you can mod it to look much better than the hk, i dont rely on 20 inch barrels for my builds because that shits stupid
Leg meta is only good in guns that shoot fast. It takes 5 leg hits with RIP to kill someone. Good luck doing that with a slow stm unless you’re fighting actual potatoes.
It's interesting you find .45 to be that much better than .357 On paper .357 FMJ, the most common .357 round, is almost the same statistically as .45 AP. while being much easier to get. And in the 1911 variants, you only get 2 more shots than the Rhino, and while the reload is faster, if you have to reload with your secondary in a firefight, revolver or auto, you are probably in trouble either way. USP obviously changes that equation, but that is just a top tier pistol period. I feel like the Rhino and any other .357 revolvers they might add will be a sleeper early-mid wipe next wipe, barring any significant stat tweaks. Especially if they ever introduce speed loaders.
It's just the weapon it goes into. Makes all the difference - I still won't use the revolver unless I'm messing about because I'd 100% rather have a UMP with AP than the revolver with .357 FMJ
@@Gigabeef Well yeah of course, SMG > any pistol, but when you are talking just pistols, it has a surprising amount of punch. As soon as Lv 15 you basically have access to a pistol and ammo that has a decent chance of beating Tier 4 armor in 1-2 shots It not exactly meta defining or anything, but it's definitely interesting. especially if Scavs start spawning with revolvers. Might make early wipe a bit spicy
It’s really not comparable to 45 AP. 35 vs 38 pen is actually a huge difference. .45 has has a 65% to pen class 4 first hit, .357 FMJ has a 38% chance. Even on a crappy diaper rig the second hit of .357 FMJ only has a 51% chance. .45 AP has an 88% chance in the same situation. Unless you get lucky you’re realistically taking 3-4 hits to kill anyone through class 4 with .357 FMJ.
If you do another tier list like this think you could do it with starting the list by like earliest access in the game-end game? That way I can come back to it as a reference throughout the wipe? Love your vids man!
I learned a bunch from this one... it's very hard to make a "catch all" tier list, better to split by "value", "overall performance", "availability tiered" etc! So maybe :)
@@Gigabeef it's dirt cheap as a barter, it's barely yet enough customisable. You do one fun quest (grenadier) and get to buy 300(!) top rounds per reset for less than 700 each and the last but not least - ASH12 IS PURE VIOLENCE It's my first wipe, lvl47, played around with every gun available, and nothing comes close to the satisfaction you get with this one. Violence. Unfiltered.
I think the m1911 is one of the best side weapon! It’s pretty cheap on flea, has cheap attachments and magazines with 11 shots, I don’t have to talk about the ammo;) One of the best to go with a bolt action!
great video! can we have a armour and map tier list next? :) also if you do a map tier list, please do it with different categoires like pestily did where he has pvp, loot etc because a map is a lot more than the layout.
I have to disagree with the STM-9 placement. I find it to be amazing for headshots. With the very low base recoil, you are able to rather easily snag 2-3 headshots in a row which will usually kill most players not in tier 5-6 helmets. It is very affordable and can be usable with just a dot sight and a stick or drum mag! Even in CQB fights, a well placed headshot wins me more fights than the enemy spraying and strafing at me. I just find it be a very good weapon on something like customs where most fights are short to medium range.
Dont disregard the pumps. They teach you good gameplay. Mod them for massive ergo and then use them like faster bolties. You peak around a corner, and before they can ADS, youve shot and are back behind cover already. Works with AP20 whenever, flechettes in fac or cqc, and rip/mag works but is much harder.
I don't know, personally abusing peekers advantage as a way to win most engagements in a tactical game just kinda seems like completely missing the point
@@domaxltv If you've played the game a lot, you start to realise you either adapt or you fall behind. I personally got killed so often by this type of strategy, that i stopped enjoying the game. Untill i started learning it, now i also know how to counter it. Untill they patch it out (which was partially done with inertia, which i'm very happy about) i think people should use every weapon in their arsenal.
@@alexisJonius Yeah I like playing tactical and slow, but I have seen that I must revert back to my CSGO days for this game since everyone is playing like its a COD deathmatch
@@sack8439 it's a shame, i was hoping this game was gonna be the slow, tactical shooter. Rushing resort and highvalue lootspots is not how i envisioned this game when i started. But you must adapt, because the game gets ... Really boring and enfuriating if you don't.
I think because of the availability of good rounds the VAL/VSS could be bumped up for this wipe in particular; the craft for 300 SP-6 in the hideout means that at level 20 you have reliable access to an effective round comparable to 7.62 BP at normal engagement ranges
i can personally recommend the 9x39 as well because with the ballistics update, you hit targets very good when shooting in single fire. You dont have the huge dropoffs or shots above your targets in this patch
DB not being fucking S tier is BLASPHEMY magnum buck, flechette, ap 20, or even fucking different ones in each barrel, fucking literally folds people. it's literally free, 8k roubles is like, nothing, the ammo is really easy to get, you can one shot everyone (either headshot or leg meta), its HUUUUUUGE amounts of fun and most of all it just feels fucking sick to use, specially the crunchy reload DB goated
It does, but once you're over 900 and into the 1100's you can almost argue that the 900 is "better" in some situations, I think it's a balance really but the 200 RPM isn't make or break imo.
Good job including P90 and MP7's in S tier, I always felt I was onto something using those weapons with their respective negative recoil bullets. You get comparible pen to PS ammo but in full auto with almost no recoil and high fire rate with cheap ammo? Sign me up... I can't wait for mechanic 3 lol
Say what you will, STM-9 blasts fools with no face shield - if I have the choice of using 9mm pistols and STM-9 then there is no choice lol. 9mm pistols kick like a mule, STM-9 is laser.
For reals, the single shot carabines handle way better than the pistols. ADS speed is just as good and can be spammed accurately way easier, due to how recoil makes pistols shoot low. The only real downside is they take a primary weapon slot.
I sm mew to Tarkov butbfor real STM-9 is a gun EVERY noob should use. It is well functioning gun with the best consistency. With STM it feels like playing any other shooter game. It is snappy, accurate and CONSISTENT ublike 99% unmoded garbage guns in Tarkov. The second best pick of noobs are shotguns imho. Also very reliable and consistent
At a time that everyone's already running flechette in Sagia and Ultima in factory, I can still crawl my way through the office PMC kills all thanks to the UMP...
Ya I just use the brown SKS for the first couple of days and never again, and generally go for the AKM with tushonka barter rather than the SKS when I get the choice for the free full auto
I know the OP-SKS isn't amazing, but a fully modded one with BP has done me so well so many times. A preset I have to put together every wipe is the "SexKS" which is a fab defense stock, PSO, suppressor, laser/light and a canted red dot. I've killed more beefy chads with the SexKS than I have most good guns lol
With the 7.62 PS buff, I'd imagine the SKS (especially the build you mentioned) is actually a solid, viable weapon past early wipe now. Which is a plus for me, I've always had a soft spot for the SKS.
Hunter in E and PPSh in C -> something is wrong, i can feel it, and ngl but SCAR-L is just not worth the money at all, AK-101 or HK416/M4 if you want use 5.56x45 -> better stats and usually (if not always) better price .. Just want to say, everyone must try what weapon like and skip all these TierList, i played with guy that play always mosin (lvl 15 -> mosin / lvl 35 -> mosin) and have around 6KD
My thoughts are there is never a reason to use the Hunter now that the RFB exists. Hunter vs PPSH we're talking very different things :) SCAR is also definitely better than the M4 this wipe due to the recoi/fire-rate changes, M4 is underneath all of the ones you mentioned imo
I disagree with the STM-9. Super low recoil, accurate, 33 round mags, spam click type shooting which stays on target for easy headshots . A hidden gem in my opinion.
I was a noob and only used the pp-19 my first 2 wipes just because I liked how easy it was to mod and getting ap ammo but it takes forever to kill and I have to use a whole mag as it is very bouncy. Last wipe and this wipe I have went with more accurate heavy semi guns
GL range got silent nerfed, the shells don’t explode if they hit nearby you where they would explode last wipe, has screwed me over a bit which made this situational gun even more situational
Unfortunately I manually created all the assets myself, there are some tier list makers out there but it didn't have all the guns (or at least I couldn't find one)
Haha so many ways you can cut it, it's hard to do an 'all in one' which I realised after recording this. Maybe next time I'll make one that's a bit more specific, either best of best, budget, range specific etc
@@Gigabeef I find however good a weapon is on paper, whether I use it or not comes down to what it costs, if you can easily get good ammo, and if you get it back from insurance..
Also - it would be great to have a tier list for ammo based on velocities - which is best for sniping, which is quietest when suppressed (not sure this mechanic is in game yet though) - which is easiest to control full auto at mid range, which should only be used long range semi auto - even leading to what’s the best gun/ammo combo for any given situation - long, mid, short ranges, should squads mix small/large calibre etc - dmr, light machine gun etc
I think the recoil changes made all the difference as back then the slow firerate was not an advantage, because you could get similar recoil with higher rpm guns
DB s tier for 8k rubles and loaded with flechette (bought easily off the flea market) you’ve got a gun which can take down literally any player under 100m. Great for rat runs.
5-7 pistol needs to be higher. It's my fav rat gun. With the SS190 ammo and very low recoil, I've head/thoraxed so many fully kitted Chad's over 2 wipes. Perfect to pair with a sniper as well
Ks23 is currently unusable. As a ks23 one trick from the past 2 wipes, right now it shoots from the mag tube and its basically unusable past 10 feet, which is why nobody is using it. Until they fix it i would put it at like F tier.
Mk-18 not S tier :( I know it's not really accessible, but my favorite gun this wipe after unlocking it. Nothing does what it does there is no replacement for it.
Revolver shotgun fire rate is a little bit slower than other semi shotguns, which destroys the fun for me:S it would be insane with a little higher fire rate, because the accuracy is the best, as far as I remember!
I'm surprised you have the AKMN over the mutant. AK is cheaper, more available, better mods, better ergo, lower rpm but better recoil. I would've switched them. Also, the G28 is cheaper to buy and mod than a meta SR or M1. But I can understand why you said some things
Mutant recoil is really insane, it's definitely top tier despite the restriction issues. I like both weapons so it was tough really, these lists are much harder than I thought!
I don’t agree with your choices on the 9mm smgs i feel like they are a bit better than this, ap ammo is pretty easy to get by crafting everything else is good tho
people dont understand how good 9x18 is, we all know about leg meta but armor pen ammo isnt bad at all, PBM has only 2 less pen than 6.3ap for fraction of the price and much more available, even 9x18 pst has better pen and dmg than 9x19 pst
I think you got the AKM & AKMN wrong, if you look at the difference in fire rate between them and the MK-47 and the price for modding, the AKM(N) comes in a lot cheaper with better recoil stats. The mutant even with full traders is in, roughly, the same price class as the M4A1 and HK. Also a barter for the AKM for 3 small toshonkas. Other than that, I love the vid and the list.
Cheers! The Mutant has better "hidden stats" behind the scenes so performs incredibly well despite what the vertical recoil says, there should be some vids on it somewhere (I haven't specifically made one for the mutant though)
The VPO-215 in my opinion does have serious accuracy issues. I understand your argument in favor of .366 AP, and for the VPO-209 it’s on the money, but the 215 really does feel like it has bad accuracy issues anywhere farther than 150 meters or so. By bad, I mean that relatively speaking considering it’s a bolt action, so you absolutely need your shots to be dead on when you’re so limited by the number of rounds you can put down range. There’s times where I’m over 100 meters away shooting at someone, and some of my shots don’t even land remotely where they should, even if my next shot lands right on target aiming in the exact same spot
The 215 is chambered for EKO, which moves much quicker than AP; aim a bit higher and don’t zero. Also over 150 metres is kinda rare in tarkov, and for long range sniping I’d just use an SV-98 for barely much more money.
I'm a bit Insulted that the Mosin Sniper is in the Same Tier as the M700. Yes, the M700 is more expensive to run with worse Ammo than the Mosin Sniper, but the Mosin Sniper you will NEVER get to a acceptable Ergo level surpressed. And if you try, they cost the same and the M700 is still far ahead Ergo wise. (M700 Promag vs Mosin Archangé, laters Mags kill it) SV-98 in S is absolutly deserved. 2 Shotkill with Cheap AF SNB and 40k Cheaper than a similar surpressed M700? I will use that gun extensivly.
Next time I think I'll do one that is more focussed on a specific area. Trying to do everything at once leads to this kind of tiering, one is expensive with worse ammo but better ergo, the other cheaper with better ammo... balances them into the same category for me but yea I know what you're getting at!
pls try the as val with sp-6 on semi auto, slap an OKP dovetail (gun's ready!) the number of times ive "pop pop pop" killed chads with it is insane the recoil is very easy to manage with semi auto
2 30 round mags (1 in gun, 1 in rig), 1 more 20 round mag in rig is all you need to fight duos or even trios as a solo player my fav gun when playing solo
The question is why though, when it's so expensive, hard to use at range due to 3.5 MOA and subsonic etc. I'd just rather use another gun that's more flexible, I feel like the SKS with BP is kinda comparable.
@@Gigabeef its the quietest (or one of the most quiet) gun in the game and can reliably tap kill class 6 its so quiet that many-most of times i fight a duo/trio using it on customs/woods, they are utterly dumbfounded about my location i simply rotate/flank to a side, kill 1 more, repeat Every other gun ive tried this with, someone notices me even if im using suppressor+subsonic Also i dont find high recoil a problem honestly which is prolly also making a difference in my playstyle and aim (maybe because i shifted to tarkov from games with stupid high recoil)
@@Gigabeef ye also ive noticed the "minus XX decibel" on suppressors seems to have an effect on scavs a lot whether they notice you or not maybe you'd find that interesting to look into
Imagine saying the 5-7 is bad just for it being a pistol, I’ve one-tapped fully geared chads with it and I’ve been one-tapped with it as well, the Vector 45 spits all its ammo in an instant yes, but it has no recoil and eats people alive, just bring more mags/ammo, it’s not that hard, if you complain about its recoil then you really need to self-evaluate considering it has none, ergonomic, chews through armor/legs, domes people before they can even respond, no recoil and arguably the highest dps in the game, its S-tier all the way, can’t put a price on perfection
Haha I DID put it in A tier so I do agree it's good, however it's primarily the mag size that lets it down. But that horizontal is not super nice, has to be said
Genuinely been killed by UMP users literally whilst using the 45 Vector. Can chalk that down to user error, but for the value the UMP has too, you can engage targets at longer distances, it's miles cheaper and still hits like a truck. The vector fire-rate is overkill and imo is counterproductive. Just my take!
**WHOOPS Somehow I forgot the ASh-12, which I would put into category B as "situational but good", with the top tier ammo**
With the flea market bans and the recoil changes and whatnot. i have seen the ASH-12 been used quite a bit more compared to previous wipes and the fact you could argue due to previously mentioned changes compared to previous wipes it got a bit on an indirect buff.
used ash12 for the past 4 wipes as my main gun now and its a beast
What's the best ammo for the klin for trying to pen armor but still being able to face tap single dome shots?
@@jaygee3032 PBM ig
@@grigss3027 thx bro
"The makarov is got a small magazine" EXCUSE ME, nuh uh, you forgot the 84 drum magazine that is available with mechanic level 2, clearly the list must be redone to have it on A tier at least smh 😤
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I swear bring the makarov with drum of sp7 and run around night factory. Bonus points for no nv
ngl you'd be surprised how many fat boys get head eyes'd by the mega mak hobo with a dream
84? bruh who even came up with that xD?
@@schadiel-ghorayeb479 Additionally, the magazine is "hand made" per description
I'll make a case for the PL-15. Of all the 9x19 pistols, it has the best stats out of the box and it is a total laser beam.
But, it's still a 9mm pistol lol. But I think it firmly deserves C tier just for it's stock handling.
fair enough :)
The shrimp is the best pistol for the price, it is inexpensive af and deadly if u have SP13 unlocked and Sp10 is also good to go if you just go for the head
@@richardpreisler3352 it's straight up barterable for 70 ps 5.45 if you break them apart in the workbench for some kite, arguably cheaper than most other pistols if you're patient
small nitpick: m45 cannot mount a red dot whereas m1911 can, which makes the 1911 better for me. Used to run a 1911 with 11 round mags as backup on sniper runs and it works great with the red dot. One less round than usp, still has red dot, and very cheap.
M45 parts transfer across - an M45 Slide and those luminous sights work a treat on the 1911, even if it looks a bit blingy..
S tier: supressed Colt 1911 with M45 parts plus his exclusive parts
Tier list in 5 seconds - can it shoot BP or M62/61? S tier. M885a1? A tier. Everything else is skill or masochism
Finaly a tierlist from someone who knows the stuff.
Haha... dunno about that 😂
ON MY SOUL
I agree with all your logic, but there are a few guns I have softspots for. I think it'd be fun to have a "you're paid, what's the best of the best" tier list and a "you're poor, what is the best value for a budget run" tier list.
Overall great content though.
Get good with toz stock sks and any stock level 1 prapor ak
@@jaygee3032 >toz
Bro I said budget not homeless.
@@donoteatmikezila that shit slaps if you use it right
Yeah it differs depending on what you select as the criteria for sure!
@@jaygee3032 yo i still run shotguns, sks, mosin, and basically stock ak at lvl 43 lmao
The fact that the double barrel isn't in a tier of its own above the rest hurts my soul :(
Great vid, but I really do hope BSG somehow changes the "big boy round" meta because I feel like I haven't been shot with anything but just 7.62 rounds for 3 months. I yearn for the day I meet fellow RIP round user on every map and not just on factory.
Agreed. People shouldn’t be able to easily run meta gear every single raid if they want to.
Just wait for the armor hit box update. Slicks don’t cover all of the thorax 😉
@@Sheeeeeeeen ooh that'll make my mega mak (makarov with a drum) more useful at scaring fat boys
@@Sheeeeeeeen They already don’t cover the stomach making it really easy to two tap with magnum buck.
I will say that I have been getting tons of success with the sr1mp the 9x21 BP hits like a truck
The VERESK next wipe: im you, but better
Yay. Thank you for the video. New to EFT so lets go brother!!
you’re in for the long haul now ;)
A fellow timmy🥳
I think im a rat 🐀
Loving this mate! Ay, congrats on your new kiddo, just had mine 8 months ago as well. Gah, finding tarkov time is QUITE difficult these days lol. Cheers mate!
Haha definitely! Congratulations :)
RSASS is S-tier Imo. I'd never buy it myself due to the prize but I get a ton of them from the scav case. Because you can't sell them on the flea you might as well use them. You can get almost as good stats as M1A and way better stats than G28 and SR-25.
Even now I have like 10 RSASS in my stash. If you regularly buy the moonshine scav case a lot, you often get RSASS.
Maybe from the scav case, sure. That's the thing though - I'd never buy one!
"You can get almost as good stats as M1A" You just answered yourself on why it's nowhere near S-tier
Found one once in an airdrop did 4 raid with them on reserve and this baby is still with me
I lie awake thinking about usable recoil on the val. Good tier list!
Cheers!
I’m actually a fan of the MPX. Haha I do realize I’m alone. Great video
Haha nothing wrong with that!
Absolutely love this type of content, I hope everyone else does so we get more :D much love and keep up the amazing work
Haha more people enjoyed this than I was expecting to be fair!
@@Gigabeef love to hear that! A bit longer form, getting concise information on 1 category of stuff, less strain on the editing I would hope as well. Looking forward to seeing the next one like this!
Its eerie, we put every weapon in the same category, down to the KS23 dilemma, as i was watching along
Ha funny! Great minds :)
I learned tons about what I like and what else might work! Nice vid!
Neat :)
Great vid as always.
I think your ranking of the revolver shotty is pretty spot on, but one of it's biggest advantages is it's accuracy, for spa tour part one, I slapped some ap-20 in there and picked off scavs at ranges they wouldn't even agro on me, even managed to hit a 200m headshot onto scav island with it. Just wish you could throw any kind of 4x scope on it, doing that with only a red dot was difficult.
Yeah pretty good really! Still super niche but good to have the ability eh
Mosin sniper (with shrewd .308 muzzle break) has the highest base stat muzzle velocity in the game. My go to for laser beaming rouges 300meters away on lighthouse. Super situational but I feel it should be a little higher on the tier list.
which scope do you usually use?
All S tier weapons he mentions + some small notes from what he said
UMP- good value, low recoil and rpm
P90 - good defualt stats, nice all rounder
MP7AI and MP7A2- lasers close range
Mutant - low rpm, high damage, modable
RFB - value, get early game
Sv98 - sniper
honestly the HK416 has become F tier for me over time, terribly high recoil compared to the M4A1 with only a 50 rpm difference, and with how weak 5.56 can feel in some cases the gun truly feels awful.
I highly doubt it’s worse than the 9mm revolver or the toz
its not good but f tier is extreme lmao
@@jesse7328 Usually in these tier lists they are seperated by category, otherwise what's the point? The HK could be F tier compared to other assault rifles...
I still run it on labs, get used to the recoil and ur good. Only sht players rely on low recoil guns.
@@high1458 I run a 56 recoil m4 because i like the fact you can mod it to look much better than the hk, i dont rely on 20 inch barrels for my builds because that shits stupid
I like how you are always objective and base your points on stats rather than on opinions.
Cheers!
with the state of camera recoil nowadays its no suprise that the s tier is smgs and high power rifles
STM should be D or C, since it can be modded cheap, and going RIP or quake is good on it, even for mid range if u know how to shoot with slower ammo
Leg meta is only good in guns that shoot fast. It takes 5 leg hits with RIP to kill someone. Good luck doing that with a slow stm unless you’re fighting actual potatoes.
Nah its a low F tier weapon for sure.
It's a Glock 17 that doesn't fit in a holster, with worse iron sights.
@@knightshousegames It does have one strength though.
Carting it's ass out gets nice M4/Adar parts.
@@Orrissan Also, If you shoot someone who put actual money into an STM, they deserved it, and you can feel good about killing them.
It's interesting you find .45 to be that much better than .357
On paper .357 FMJ, the most common .357 round, is almost the same statistically as .45 AP. while being much easier to get. And in the 1911 variants, you only get 2 more shots than the Rhino, and while the reload is faster, if you have to reload with your secondary in a firefight, revolver or auto, you are probably in trouble either way. USP obviously changes that equation, but that is just a top tier pistol period.
I feel like the Rhino and any other .357 revolvers they might add will be a sleeper early-mid wipe next wipe, barring any significant stat tweaks. Especially if they ever introduce speed loaders.
It's just the weapon it goes into. Makes all the difference - I still won't use the revolver unless I'm messing about because I'd 100% rather have a UMP with AP than the revolver with .357 FMJ
@@Gigabeef Well yeah of course, SMG > any pistol, but when you are talking just pistols, it has a surprising amount of punch. As soon as Lv 15 you basically have access to a pistol and ammo that has a decent chance of beating Tier 4 armor in 1-2 shots
It not exactly meta defining or anything, but it's definitely interesting. especially if Scavs start spawning with revolvers. Might make early wipe a bit spicy
It’s really not comparable to 45 AP. 35 vs 38 pen is actually a huge difference.
.45 has has a 65% to pen class 4 first hit, .357 FMJ has a 38% chance.
Even on a crappy diaper rig the second hit of .357 FMJ only has a 51% chance. .45 AP has an 88% chance in the same situation.
Unless you get lucky you’re realistically taking 3-4 hits to kill anyone through class 4 with .357 FMJ.
@@cha0ss0ldier-4 Really? It's that big of a difference? Thats crazy
I guess I expected the formula to be a little more linear than that
finally a real tierlist for tarkov, gj man
Haha thanks
If you do another tier list like this think you could do it with starting the list by like earliest access in the game-end game? That way I can come back to it as a reference throughout the wipe? Love your vids man!
I learned a bunch from this one... it's very hard to make a "catch all" tier list, better to split by "value", "overall performance", "availability tiered" etc! So maybe :)
No ash-12?
Had a ton of fun with GL-40 for a couple of days, it is insanely fun
Forgot XD I think it's a B because of accessibility but borderline A as you can tap class 4 with the best ammo!
@@Gigabeef it's dirt cheap as a barter, it's barely yet enough customisable. You do one fun quest (grenadier) and get to buy 300(!) top rounds per reset for less than 700 each and the last but not least - ASH12 IS PURE VIOLENCE
It's my first wipe, lvl47, played around with every gun available, and nothing comes close to the satisfaction you get with this one. Violence. Unfiltered.
I think the m1911 is one of the best side weapon!
It’s pretty cheap on flea, has cheap attachments and magazines with 11 shots, I don’t have to talk about the ammo;)
One of the best to go with a bolt action!
The best weapon it's the one we made along the way
great video! can we have a armour and map tier list next? :) also if you do a map tier list, please do it with different categoires like pestily did where he has pvp, loot etc because a map is a lot more than the layout.
Will think about it :) just doing this one showed me some stuff about doing these in the future!
I have to disagree with the STM-9 placement. I find it to be amazing for headshots. With the very low base recoil, you are able to rather easily snag 2-3 headshots in a row which will usually kill most players not in tier 5-6 helmets. It is very affordable and can be usable with just a dot sight and a stick or drum mag! Even in CQB fights, a well placed headshot wins me more fights than the enemy spraying and strafing at me. I just find it be a very good weapon on something like customs where most fights are short to medium range.
Maybe I need to give it more of a fair shot :)
Nice job dude, I love your content
Cheers!
Dont disregard the pumps. They teach you good gameplay.
Mod them for massive ergo and then use them like faster bolties.
You peak around a corner, and before they can ADS, youve shot and are back behind cover already.
Works with AP20 whenever, flechettes in fac or cqc, and rip/mag works but is much harder.
I don't know, personally abusing peekers advantage as a way to win most engagements in a tactical game just kinda seems like completely missing the point
@@domaxltv If you've played the game a lot, you start to realise you either adapt or you fall behind.
I personally got killed so often by this type of strategy, that i stopped enjoying the game.
Untill i started learning it, now i also know how to counter it.
Untill they patch it out (which was partially done with inertia, which i'm very happy about) i think people should use every weapon in their arsenal.
@@alexisJonius Yeah I like playing tactical and slow, but I have seen that I must revert back to my CSGO days for this game since everyone is playing like its a COD deathmatch
@@sack8439 it's a shame, i was hoping this game was gonna be the slow, tactical shooter.
Rushing resort and highvalue lootspots is not how i envisioned this game when i started.
But you must adapt, because the game gets ... Really boring and enfuriating if you don't.
Sure but they are strictly worse than the semi autos in a technical sense, hence the rating!
Very interesting, mostly agree but you did do a few of my fav guns dirty haha. Stay awesome.
Haha cheers. Always a bit controversial these lists!
Are these tarkov tier lists I see going around hand made or is there some link that one can get ahold of to do one themselves?
There are some out there if you Google it, I hand made this one though
I think because of the availability of good rounds the VAL/VSS could be bumped up for this wipe in particular; the craft for 300 SP-6 in the hideout means that at level 20 you have reliable access to an effective round comparable to 7.62 BP at normal engagement ranges
i can personally recommend the 9x39 as well because with the ballistics update, you hit targets very good when shooting in single fire. You dont have the huge dropoffs or shots above your targets in this patch
Watching this while munching on chinese food. Looking forward to the podcast next monday.
Nice! Hope it was good :)
DB not being fucking S tier is BLASPHEMY
magnum buck, flechette, ap 20, or even fucking different ones in each barrel, fucking literally folds people.
it's literally free, 8k roubles is like, nothing, the ammo is really easy to get, you can one shot everyone (either headshot or leg meta), its HUUUUUUGE amounts of fun and most of all it just feels fucking sick to use, specially the crunchy reload
DB goated
let them add an option to saw it off , and ill think about it
@@volkov6460 why
That reload though haha... you really better hit your stuff or you ded
@@Gigabeef I mean yeah, 100% but hearing the crunch of the slugs coming out while dudes gargling over his own blood over there is something else
Great content !
Ty!
Love your videos. You are one of the best. Thank you.
Thanks! Very kind
I thought MP-9N has a faster rpm than the non-N variant?
It does, but once you're over 900 and into the 1100's you can almost argue that the 900 is "better" in some situations, I think it's a balance really but the 200 RPM isn't make or break imo.
Good job including P90 and MP7's in S tier, I always felt I was onto something using those weapons with their respective negative recoil bullets. You get comparible pen to PS ammo but in full auto with almost no recoil and high fire rate with cheap ammo? Sign me up... I can't wait for mechanic 3 lol
Say what you will, STM-9 blasts fools with no face shield - if I have the choice of using 9mm pistols and STM-9 then there is no choice lol. 9mm pistols kick like a mule, STM-9 is laser.
For reals, the single shot carabines handle way better than the pistols. ADS speed is just as good and can be spammed accurately way easier, due to how recoil makes pistols shoot low. The only real downside is they take a primary weapon slot.
I sm mew to Tarkov butbfor real STM-9 is a gun EVERY noob should use.
It is well functioning gun with the best consistency. With STM it feels like playing any other shooter game. It is snappy, accurate and CONSISTENT ublike 99% unmoded garbage guns in Tarkov.
The second best pick of noobs are shotguns imho. Also very reliable and consistent
This is very agreeable list.
At a time that everyone's already running flechette in Sagia and Ultima in factory, I can still crawl my way through the office PMC kills all thanks to the UMP...
Thanks for this homie. Sad about the SKS :(
Ya I just use the brown SKS for the first couple of days and never again, and generally go for the AKM with tushonka barter rather than the SKS when I get the choice for the free full auto
I know the OP-SKS isn't amazing, but a fully modded one with BP has done me so well so many times. A preset I have to put together every wipe is the "SexKS" which is a fab defense stock, PSO, suppressor, laser/light and a canted red dot. I've killed more beefy chads with the SexKS than I have most good guns lol
With the 7.62 PS buff, I'd imagine the SKS (especially the build you mentioned) is actually a solid, viable weapon past early wipe now.
Which is a plus for me, I've always had a soft spot for the SKS.
Hunter in E and PPSh in C -> something is wrong, i can feel it, and ngl but SCAR-L is just not worth the money at all, AK-101 or HK416/M4 if you want use 5.56x45 -> better stats and usually (if not always) better price .. Just want to say, everyone must try what weapon like and skip all these TierList, i played with guy that play always mosin (lvl 15 -> mosin / lvl 35 -> mosin) and have around 6KD
My thoughts are there is never a reason to use the Hunter now that the RFB exists. Hunter vs PPSH we're talking very different things :) SCAR is also definitely better than the M4 this wipe due to the recoi/fire-rate changes, M4 is underneath all of the ones you mentioned imo
@@Gigabeef after considering, i agree with you and regret my silly coment
I disagree with the STM-9. Super low recoil, accurate, 33 round mags, spam click type shooting which stays on target for easy headshots . A hidden gem in my opinion.
Great for scav hunting, but kinda useless other than that
I was a noob and only used the pp-19 my first 2 wipes just because I liked how easy it was to mod and getting ap ammo but it takes forever to kill and I have to use a whole mag as it is very bouncy. Last wipe and this wipe I have went with more accurate heavy semi guns
I only came here to see you put the Makarov 9x18 into S-Tier with a straight face and no explanation whatsoever. Missed opportunity ;)
GL range got silent nerfed, the shells don’t explode if they hit nearby you where they would explode last wipe, has screwed me over a bit which made this situational gun even more situational
not in agreement with where the usp, 5ive seven, and the sr1mp were placed but the rest was flawless
can you share link or something so we can do our own lists ?
Unfortunately I manually created all the assets myself, there are some tier list makers out there but it didn't have all the guns (or at least I couldn't find one)
Putting the big iron .357 on the F tier hurts me physically
Would love to see a tier list that has tabs for different ranges
Haha so many ways you can cut it, it's hard to do an 'all in one' which I realised after recording this. Maybe next time I'll make one that's a bit more specific, either best of best, budget, range specific etc
@@Gigabeef I find however good a weapon is on paper, whether I use it or not comes down to what it costs, if you can easily get good ammo, and if you get it back from insurance..
Also - it would be great to have a tier list for ammo based on velocities - which is best for sniping, which is quietest when suppressed (not sure this mechanic is in game yet though) - which is easiest to control full auto at mid range, which should only be used long range semi auto - even leading to what’s the best gun/ammo combo for any given situation - long, mid, short ranges, should squads mix small/large calibre etc - dmr, light machine gun etc
In my opinion, the PB should be C teir purely for the fact that might be the best weapon to do punisher part 2 with
Maybe... not good enough for me I'm afraid! 😁
I feel like people really slept on the UMP performance when it was initially added. It slapped just the same with AP ammo.
I think the recoil changes made all the difference as back then the slow firerate was not an advantage, because you could get similar recoil with higher rpm guns
DB s tier for 8k rubles and loaded with flechette (bought easily off the flea market) you’ve got a gun which can take down literally any player under 100m. Great for rat runs.
Nice, thanks
5-7 pistol needs to be higher. It's my fav rat gun. With the SS190 ammo and very low recoil, I've head/thoraxed so many fully kitted Chad's over 2 wipes. Perfect to pair with a sniper as well
It's nice for sure. But you're still kinda relying on headshots unless they have low tier class 4 or below
Good point. I'm a bit bias 😂
The saiga is op as hell with flechette or buckshot
All the semis are broadly similar I would argue - and it's still situational so I didn't want to put it higher
Ks23 is currently unusable. As a ks23 one trick from the past 2 wipes, right now it shoots from the mag tube and its basically unusable past 10 feet, which is why nobody is using it. Until they fix it i would put it at like F tier.
Glock 17 is best pistol for early wipe because its the only available one with glow irons.
I dont think the KS-23 should be A because its bugged and you have to aim really high to make it hit legs.
Damn you maxed out your British skill tree
Min-max in all things 😅
OPSKS which can shoot BP is lower than a VPO bolty
I 100% just didnt sell M1a to fence for 100k dollars lmao
Mk-18 not S tier :( I know it's not really accessible, but my favorite gun this wipe after unlocking it. Nothing does what it does there is no replacement for it.
Ya just so inaccessible, just a shame really I enjoyed it alot at the end of 12.11
I like this content:D
the ks-23 is bugged and shoots very low
Vpo was my go to for farming rogues/water treatment slay players and ai alike, possibly s teir so cheap can mount an optic right away
Revolver shotgun fire rate is a little bit slower than other semi shotguns, which destroys the fun for me:S it would be insane with a little higher fire rate, because the accuracy is the best, as far as I remember!
Best for unmodded for sure! Amazing for the price really, but yeah the double action also has a small trigger delay than can be a bit off putting
KS23 is broke. It shoots under the iron sight making it pretty scuffed to use properly.
Might be the fact that the barrikada slugs are the default ammo for that weapon. I've barely used it so this is just a random thought.
@@sbow2892 idk Onepeg said that it works properly when you get mastery 3 on the gun.
Yeah I'm not sure what is wrong with it. Have been shown footage that indicates with mastery 3 it does work though for some reason
MP7 is definitely not an S roght now since they killed its ability to hip fire
I wait for you to redo this list on thursday for a 13.0 version of the game since... yeah... you know its thursday wipe time
Ohh yeah... that one :)
The ppsh can jam my tea drinking friend
so many times i have told my battle buddy to cover me on gate 0 side stairway as my ppsh jammed 3 rounds in
Really? I was under the impression that it couldn't due to the mechanism - it could with overheating, maybe but perhaps they changed something
@@Gigabeef 100% can guarantee it jams occasionally maybe not a hard jam but it will have failures of varying types
The uh... SVD uses 54R? It cant use PS
There is a 54R ps round
Used to be called 7n1, was renamed in 12.12
I'm surprised you have the AKMN over the mutant. AK is cheaper, more available, better mods, better ergo, lower rpm but better recoil. I would've switched them. Also, the G28 is cheaper to buy and mod than a meta SR or M1. But I can understand why you said some things
Mutant recoil is really insane, it's definitely top tier despite the restriction issues. I like both weapons so it was tough really, these lists are much harder than I thought!
I don’t agree with your choices on the 9mm smgs i feel like they are a bit better than this, ap ammo is pretty easy to get by crafting everything else is good tho
Nah 9mm = smol. But for real 9mm is only good on very close cqc
Yep same I was mainly questioning his smg placements
It's an 8 hour base craft to get 150, and 6.3 is really not good. It's only slightly better than M855 for example!
I'd pick the 133 over the revolver shotty anyday.
people dont understand how good 9x18 is, we all know about leg meta but armor pen ammo isnt bad at all, PBM has only 2 less pen than 6.3ap for fraction of the price and much more available, even 9x18 pst has better pen and dmg than 9x19 pst
Imo though, being better than 9mm is no real benchmark :)
I think you got the AKM & AKMN wrong, if you look at the difference in fire rate between them and the MK-47 and the price for modding, the AKM(N) comes in a lot cheaper with better recoil stats. The mutant even with full traders is in, roughly, the same price class as the M4A1 and HK. Also a barter for the AKM for 3 small toshonkas. Other than that, I love the vid and the list.
Cheers! The Mutant has better "hidden stats" behind the scenes so performs incredibly well despite what the vertical recoil says, there should be some vids on it somewhere (I haven't specifically made one for the mutant though)
5.7 would be my S tier pistol
The VPO-215 in my opinion does have serious accuracy issues. I understand your argument in favor of .366 AP, and for the VPO-209 it’s on the money, but the 215 really does feel like it has bad accuracy issues anywhere farther than 150 meters or so. By bad, I mean that relatively speaking considering it’s a bolt action, so you absolutely need your shots to be dead on when you’re so limited by the number of rounds you can put down range. There’s times where I’m over 100 meters away shooting at someone, and some of my shots don’t even land remotely where they should, even if my next shot lands right on target aiming in the exact same spot
The 215 is chambered for EKO, which moves much quicker than AP; aim a bit higher and don’t zero. Also over 150 metres is kinda rare in tarkov, and for long range sniping I’d just use an SV-98 for barely much more money.
I appreciate the effort, shame it's a little late ;(
Ye I know, a few people asked me to do it and with all the event stuff content's got a bit weird right now haha
i wont stand for this pistol hatred 😤
MPX is underrated fr
i think the toz has no place in tarkov anymore with the double barrel being vastly better and same price
Meme gun
a teir list like this, but purely based on performance?
Ye next time I'll hone down onto more specific criteria I think!
I'm a bit Insulted that the Mosin Sniper is in the Same Tier as the M700.
Yes, the M700 is more expensive to run with worse Ammo than the Mosin Sniper, but the Mosin Sniper you will NEVER get to a acceptable Ergo level surpressed. And if you try, they cost the same and the M700 is still far ahead Ergo wise.
(M700 Promag vs Mosin Archangé, laters Mags kill it)
SV-98 in S is absolutly deserved. 2 Shotkill with Cheap AF SNB and 40k Cheaper than a similar surpressed M700? I will use that gun extensivly.
Next time I think I'll do one that is more focussed on a specific area. Trying to do everything at once leads to this kind of tiering, one is expensive with worse ammo but better ergo, the other cheaper with better ammo... balances them into the same category for me but yea I know what you're getting at!
'P90 is S tier' he says as he spends 1.5 mil on one raid worth of ammo
Not sure what you mean! The rounds are only 300 or 450 depending on which you want from fmj or subsonic
pls try the as val with sp-6 on semi auto, slap an OKP dovetail (gun's ready!)
the number of times ive "pop pop pop" killed chads with it is insane
the recoil is very easy to manage with semi auto
2 30 round mags (1 in gun, 1 in rig), 1 more 20 round mag in rig is all you need to fight duos or even trios as a solo player
my fav gun when playing solo
The question is why though, when it's so expensive, hard to use at range due to 3.5 MOA and subsonic etc. I'd just rather use another gun that's more flexible, I feel like the SKS with BP is kinda comparable.
@@Gigabeef its the quietest (or one of the most quiet) gun in the game and can reliably tap kill class 6
its so quiet that many-most of times i fight a duo/trio using it on customs/woods, they are utterly dumbfounded about my location
i simply rotate/flank to a side, kill 1 more, repeat
Every other gun ive tried this with, someone notices me even if im using suppressor+subsonic
Also i dont find high recoil a problem honestly which is prolly also making a difference in my playstyle and aim (maybe because i shifted to tarkov from games with stupid high recoil)
Fair enough, I'm glad it's working out! Would be interesting to test the sound on that guy properly, maybe I'll do something on it just to see :)
@@Gigabeef ye
also ive noticed the "minus XX decibel" on suppressors seems to have an effect on scavs a lot
whether they notice you or not
maybe you'd find that interesting to look into
Mosin inf best snowball weapon
Imagine saying the 5-7 is bad just for it being a pistol, I’ve one-tapped fully geared chads with it and I’ve been one-tapped with it as well, the Vector 45 spits all its ammo in an instant yes, but it has no recoil and eats people alive, just bring more mags/ammo, it’s not that hard, if you complain about its recoil then you really need to self-evaluate considering it has none, ergonomic, chews through armor/legs, domes people before they can even respond, no recoil and arguably the highest dps in the game, its S-tier all the way, can’t put a price on perfection
Haha I DID put it in A tier so I do agree it's good, however it's primarily the mag size that lets it down. But that horizontal is not super nice, has to be said
TT on F... I dont know if I like that!
Having the ump above the vector 45 is silly
Genuinely been killed by UMP users literally whilst using the 45 Vector. Can chalk that down to user error, but for the value the UMP has too, you can engage targets at longer distances, it's miles cheaper and still hits like a truck. The vector fire-rate is overkill and imo is counterproductive. Just my take!
I have not used the vector much. But I've had much more success with ump.
@@Gigabeef Fair, the TTK is just not even close between them but in a heads up fight id take the vector and just use it at an appropriate range
My beloved MCX in B tier!? Le sad. I'll just keep spamming resort and murdering everyone till you all understand...
To be fair I like the MCX, but more so at short range. Borderline though for me, it could be A if the ammo was a bit more accessible!