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Комментарии • 717

  • @joshuafigueroa2495
    @joshuafigueroa2495 2 года назад +498

    Travis woulda heard Joe loud ass yelling “stop” if he was there

  • @claireistotle
    @claireistotle 2 года назад +54

    “I’m not arguing w/ you, because it’s open to interpretation, but that’s *bullshit.”* 😂 man I love the way Joe Budden talks sometimes

  • @Fashionceo
    @Fashionceo 2 года назад +263

    Why does Joe keep talking over people when he thinks he's right or matter or fact in every instance? its ok to not be correct let other people have an opinion too...

    • @Onwualu5
      @Onwualu5 2 года назад +59

      Must be new here

    • @revekat2053
      @revekat2053 2 года назад +9

      Because they do the exact same thing to him of you pay attention. They all talk over each other. Also I think he might have ADHD, which would explain a lot of his behaviors.

    • @kyrone475
      @kyrone475 2 года назад +2

      Thats just joe lml have mal and rory use to get it more 😂

    • @cynthiawhite9997
      @cynthiawhite9997 2 года назад +6

      I really wanted to hear the other opinions!

    • @rikkidgermano9640
      @rikkidgermano9640 2 года назад +14

      EGO - Joe always been that way. This is why Rory & Mal are gone - it's his show! I barely come here because it's annoying after a while listening to someone who likes to hear himself talk.

  • @lifeofcoop252
    @lifeofcoop252 2 года назад +73

    “Crafted for fuckery” THAT part. 🙌🏼

  • @jc-ds9nu
    @jc-ds9nu 2 года назад +74

    I like that word energy. And how they used it. The way the music sounds all the way down to hertz and frequencies matter and how they suggest how you finna act. Shit wicked.

    • @solas444
      @solas444 2 года назад +2

      You sir know your shit

    • @australian2
      @australian2 2 года назад +5

      Wickedness will be downfall of mankind.

    • @theboy1625
      @theboy1625 2 года назад

      Yup. Been looking into that shit myself So I can manipulate it

  • @lizprado8334
    @lizprado8334 2 года назад +60

    the capacity of the entire venue was 200,000 but the show was set up for 50,000. not sure if you are familiar with setting up stages, but the venue can adjust the show setup to however many tickets are sold as long as its not exceeding the venue limit (200,000). But again, the GA set was set up for 50,000 (meaning fortified fences set up around an area fit for 50,000). He enticed to many people to break in that the show set was immediately over crowded and the fortified barriers around the set could not be toppled over. Creating the chaos and hellish environment that lead to lost lives.

    • @k-rocadams299
      @k-rocadams299 2 года назад

      Wrong, the concert is in a festival space. I’m told of they fortified fences were only set up in the front, middle and the middle of the back of the performance area, much like rolling loud. So the capacity was okay it’s just how the performance area was set up it made it overcrowded. This is where design flaw lies. the two big screens in the back created the biggest problem and was the main reason so many people were having issues with suffocation and injuries. I was in the front of the crowd at Astroworld at first and we had to go in the back by the screens and go around. This is how many people got stuffed and began to suffocate because they were trying to get out.

  • @kebo8409
    @kebo8409 2 года назад +164

    This is where the podcast be in its bag. We all come for this.

  • @johnrossi6189
    @johnrossi6189 2 года назад +124

    EXACTLY, it's *HIS* shit. You can't take the benefits or the amazing publicity of the show being a big hit but then be absolved from the bad stuff that happens when things turn bad. He deserves some blame.

    • @Gino565
      @Gino565 2 года назад +10

      That’s because if the show was a big hit, it would be down the actual show. This tragedy has nothing to do with his performance, it was about safety and logistics.

    • @johnrossi6189
      @johnrossi6189 2 года назад +9

      @@Gino565 Which comes with owning a show/event. You can't reap the rewards but when things go bad pretend like you have no hand in it. It's his event, his name is signed to it, any person who has their name attached to something should do everything in their power to make sure nothing goes wrong, and you know what the first step is? Not to tell your obviously crazy fans to find a way into the show anyways even though it was sold out.

    • @Gino565
      @Gino565 2 года назад +3

      @@johnrossi6189 Irrelevant. If the show was celebrated, it would be because of the performance, which is on him. The reason the show isn’t being celebrated IS NOT because of the performance, it’s because people died. Your equivalence is incorrect. People dying isn’t strictly on him, it’s also on Live Nation, security, and Houston PD. Just because it’s his festival, that doesn’t mean he’s responsible for literally everything. Isn’t that obvious? He didn’t organise the event, he didn’t hire the staff, he didn’t work out the logistics. So like I said, your comment doesn’t make sense.

    • @johnrossi6189
      @johnrossi6189 2 года назад +5

      @@Gino565 I never said it's fully his fault, I have said time and time again on different comments under this video that he isn't fully at fault but is still partially at fault. And if 200k people joined the show and didn't kill anyone, if they were properly spread out or if the show went off without any issues people would celebrate it or say he had a successful show. Besides that, again it's HIS EVENT with HIS name on it, he SHOULD be taking a more hands on approach. He has people *he* assigned to do those things so that's him giving his co-sign. You can't receive the money from it but then act like you aren't at fault at all. The show only went crazy because of his doing, because he told his crazy ass fan base to jump barricades in the past or even this show when he said "show is sold out but we will get the wild ones in anyways." You guys are picking at straws, he would still benefit if this event went off amazingly, he would be getting praise for *more then just his performance* if this event went well, they would say how he can really "control a crowd" and how he can put on an amazing event, so no, it's not just about him preforming.

    • @johnrossi6189
      @johnrossi6189 2 года назад +1

      @@Gino565 Also, if you look up Live Nation you can see the amount of lawsuits the company has because of negligence and people getting hurt, so again, Travis or someone he PAYS should have looked more into Live Nation.

  • @kekarose2844
    @kekarose2844 2 года назад +53

    Facts...frequencies and how music is crafted matters

  • @asmrp2p903
    @asmrp2p903 2 года назад +20

    Sometimes Joe needs to realize that he is not always right. Stop cutting people off, stop making it about your own interpretation and stop getting so damn defensive when others have a different opinion, smh

  • @brandonblackfyre5783
    @brandonblackfyre5783 2 года назад +101

    The Astro World incident is a good example of how things can go from normal to the worse case possible in a matter of seconds. That's why it's always good to have an escape plan no matter where you are, be prepared and always pay attention to your surroundings. Normally you'll get a "bad feeling" when something bad is about to happen so always trust your gut.

    • @Pros2mycons
      @Pros2mycons 2 года назад +1

      I agree

    • @progressivelife841
      @progressivelife841 2 года назад +8

      Travis dropped a song called No Escape on the day of the festival.

    • @rikkidgermano9640
      @rikkidgermano9640 2 года назад +6

      They sold too many tickets for not enough space - greed got to them and they way they handled security was even worse! I have been to many concerts & festivals if you're not close to the stage, it makes no sense to try and force yourself up front. I have a great time being in the 3/4 of the crowd, I can see the stage and when the show is over, I get home faster.

    • @canamargera
      @canamargera 2 года назад +2

      Some of the people there had no idea of the chaos happening til the news got out

    • @southernguru1455
      @southernguru1455 2 года назад

      @@progressivelife841 it's called the escape plan not to be an asshole but just to point out how accurate it is to what u typed

  • @Atip4eva
    @Atip4eva 2 года назад +99

    Joe is wrong. They maxed 50k ticket sales. Outside venues has no limits by state law and the potential to hold 250k people. But They weren’t equipped for more than 50k. They ran out of water and were short staffed for medic care before trav got to the stage. Please do research for this discussion to sound more realistic. Kids are allowed to see Astro world and his carnival designs. Stormi was there. His shows were all ages. They Recommended kids leave at 7pm. Trav has a bad reputation for being wild. His fans broke in every yr. this yr was badly planned and with the kids rushing the stage he didn’t provide adequate care or security. This was one of many bad things he does. He excites riots. Trav Been charged x2 for riots before. Don’t protect trav he signed off on All this. No safety standards. They had no planning for crowd surging. This is a sign of unprofessionalism from a multi billion company. Live nation is evil and cheap. I never attend a concert and u can bypass security. Never!!! Once the kids broke in u cancel the show. This ain’t how u suppose to act. This is reckless endangerment and 10 people are dead. A 9 yr old died wanting to listen to crappy sicko mode. This is beyond tragic. No one should die to listen to mediocre music. Trav ain’t all that impressive. Live nation is greedy putting kids at risk for profits. No “rap” concert ever experienced this many causalities. Smdh. Rip to those young lives lost 😞 No one should experience that type of trauma. And hell yeah it’s lawsuit land when u ruined families. Kids died Joe. For no good reason. please discuss with more concern for those lives u can’t replace. Listen to Bharti Shahani’s mother explain how she lost her angel. U will cry. The show doesn’t go on when people are pleading for air. It was a critical situation and he continued to perform for 40 mins while fans are turning blue in vip. An off duty nurse jumped in to help coding patients . A 9 yr old was kickEd, stepped on, his organs crushed. This ain’t normal under an circumstance. This discourages me and many others to trust going to venues.

    • @progressivelife841
      @progressivelife841 2 года назад +2

      Unless I work in events I ain't doing research, it's a waste of time.

    • @progressivelife841
      @progressivelife841 2 года назад +2

      I went to a concert last Weds and I was fine.

    • @nicolesmith1647
      @nicolesmith1647 2 года назад +9

      This was NO MISTAKE….this was fully thought of & planned just this way…this played out exactly the way it was supposed to!!! Sick AF!!! This the shit they into!!!! Human sacrifice at its finest!!! Ppl good at canceling mofo’s so let’s see this POS get canceled! Way too many signs & symbols told y’all wtf y’all were going to but nobody got the time now know how to pay attention & unfortunately it took hundreds to die & get injured hopefully now we do EVERYTHING with eyes & ears wide open!!!!

    • @nicolesmith1647
      @nicolesmith1647 2 года назад +1

      @@progressivelife841 not if u wanna live & come out alive. Shit we in a world now u gotta go into EVERYTHING knowing every single detail! We in a non trustworthy world unfortunately. So ppl need to start moving different we not in that same world from 2yrs ago!

    • @Camille_Anderson
      @Camille_Anderson 2 года назад +1

      💯👋👋👋

  • @stephanie3506
    @stephanie3506 2 года назад +35

    Bullshit too many people were pleading with him to totally stop the show.......he incited that craziness!!! AND he was one of the organizers of the event. The fact that it was pretty much the whole crowd that was in distress, HE needed to be the one to take the situation into his hands to make sure things got calmed down and people were ok....but he didn't care. And it's going to hurt him in the end.

    • @papichampu7616
      @papichampu7616 2 года назад +2

      Not his fault.

    • @oxrea
      @oxrea 2 года назад +1

      It would blow your mind to eventually know that the concert was meant to happen and some people were meant to die due to TS's greed

  • @Spliffcraniums
    @Spliffcraniums 2 года назад +48

    This was one of those situations whatever can go wrong will go wrong

    • @brandonblackfyre5783
      @brandonblackfyre5783 2 года назад +3

      That's why you always need to be prepared for the worse thing possible. Always expect and be prepared for the worse and pray for the best. Better to be safe then sorry.

  • @nickledonne90
    @nickledonne90 2 года назад +58

    If I'm not mistaken,
    TRAVIS TOLD MORE PEOPLE TO SHOW UP!!!
    HE IS TO BLAME!!! NOT THE ONLY ONE BUT YOU CANT SAY THAT HE ISN'T !!!
    THE NEGATIVE FREQUENCIES THEY PLAYED BETWEEN ACTS/SONGS WAS SCARY AND MADE PEOPLE PASS OUT!
    this is some scary shit bro

    • @skywalkerwalker3934
      @skywalkerwalker3934 2 года назад

      Bullshit! If Travis told people to show up, Travis didn't let them in.

    • @cece5705
      @cece5705 2 года назад +4

      @@skywalkerwalker3934 its right he said it on his tweet. F the police and break in. So he did said it on tweet so yes they going to do what Travis tell them to do.

    • @dominiquehunter7084
      @dominiquehunter7084 2 года назад +1

      @@cece5705 sure did!

    • @alphaandomega3981
      @alphaandomega3981 2 года назад +1

      @@cece5705 yeah the tweet with astro poster thar he's deleted apparently

    • @Azraeluchiha999
      @Azraeluchiha999 2 года назад +1

      He was just promoting his Festival. He didn't tell people to crush other people, suffocate people, inject other people with syringes or any of that. Not to mention, what happened to "if he tell you to jump off a bridge, are you going to do it"? Where's the responsibility for the fans?

  • @skeyesk2717
    @skeyesk2717 2 года назад +41

    Joe is lowkey right, his fans ain’t heard his voice literally in years. LOL

    • @KingNoah85
      @KingNoah85 2 года назад +3

      Bruh this the first time I’ve actually agreed with joe 😂

  • @ratimaat9397
    @ratimaat9397 2 года назад +16

    He told them to sneak in, know all facts

  • @mdotnelson
    @mdotnelson 2 года назад +92

    That “energy” in songs he’s talking about, FACTS. Big emphasis on what you’re listening to and how you listen

    • @Rwer1234
      @Rwer1234 2 года назад +12

      People are not talking about how the music took these kids to a different place emotionally. Add thousands of other feeling what you're feeling. Amplifies everything

    • @darnelldarden9429
      @darnelldarden9429 2 года назад +7

      It’s true when I listen to king Von and Durk it brings out a different side, I can’t listen to it for too long when I do

    • @SevenHunnid
      @SevenHunnid 2 года назад +2

      I smoke weed & get high on my RUclips channel plus i also do storytime videos

    • @Hendrixxx9427
      @Hendrixxx9427 2 года назад +6

      @@SevenHunnid I respect the hustle lmao

    • @kyrone475
      @kyrone475 2 года назад

      Not for me i can listen to any music and not feel that way 💭even wen im smacked at this point u cant speak for everyone anymore u can speak on wat u would feel

  • @detroitlions3113
    @detroitlions3113 2 года назад +20

    They starting to get mad they can't never get a word in 🤣🤣🤣

  • @fortylovestyle2789
    @fortylovestyle2789 2 года назад +46

    Appreciate the perspective of the entertainer. P.S...let Joe lead. When he's in his bag, he's in his bag.

  • @bmorecareful3723
    @bmorecareful3723 2 года назад +24

    They hired security on the spot not trained professional security

    • @jerseydevil1
      @jerseydevil1 2 года назад

      You’d expect more from live nation , who was hired to organize the event & also the biggest event coordinators in the world

    • @stephanie3506
      @stephanie3506 2 года назад

      That's the other fact that is gonna get them sued real good!!!

  • @WazigeLogica
    @WazigeLogica 2 года назад +4

    I've seen a member of a legendary hip hop group jump up a speaker, then jump/ climb up two balconies to knock out a dude who was beating up his girlfriend during a concert.. I just kept thinking of that when you were talking about 'what do you do as a performer when something happens in the crowd'.
    Peace and love to everyone.

  • @williambennett9643
    @williambennett9643 2 года назад +6

    I have seen plenty of artists pause concerts for safety concerns. He did not stop the show for the ambulance. He seen the ambulance, there were people dancing on the ambulance. Cmon

  • @eski_truv
    @eski_truv 2 года назад +49

    18:07 that’s not hip hop doing the mosh pitting. Travis’ fanbase goes way beyond hip hop. Those ARE the kids that do know how to mosh pit and come from that culture. You just probably shouldn’t mosh pit when there’s 50,000 people and there’s like there’s like 8 sections that are so full that no one can really move.

    • @biguglyting
      @biguglyting 2 года назад +19

      Agreed. His demographic does not know a Nas record.

    • @krumshamim
      @krumshamim 2 года назад +9

      There is a new demographic tho . It’s not just the ppl that listen to Nas no more. There is. Youth that grew up listening and they built different and don’t value what the previous generation valued. It’s a cycle.

    • @dazwhite2222
      @dazwhite2222 2 года назад +10

      Travis is not hiphop

    • @gmorgcyborg
      @gmorgcyborg 2 года назад

      @Maxine Shaw facts.. use to get crazy in the club but once people seemed to fall or be hurt the shit would stop till they moved out the way

    • @Osei_Bean_8ryant
      @Osei_Bean_8ryant 2 года назад +1

      @@gmorgcyborg You're right. Lyrics like "so I go to my loaded tech 9 thats off in the trunk" were meant to go shoot somebody when you fall 😂

  • @___sabr
    @___sabr 2 года назад +21

    @JoeBudden: total appreciation for the entire breakdown. Pushing towards 60 and there during the beginning of Hip Hop in NYC anyone with the smallest of brains could understand the elite presentation. (Harlem is listening 🎧)

  • @rikkidgermano9640
    @rikkidgermano9640 2 года назад +26

    It's crazy how they somehow find ways to justify Travis's behaviour. It is not that he was just the performer, it was also his festival. That means, his responsibility is beyond performance. I don't care if he stopped the show 1 or 2 times but he should've stopped it when he got approached by staff to stop the entire show because the backstage section was already filled with dead bodies and yet he still continued. No empathy, sympathie or excuses for this!

    • @josearellano3670
      @josearellano3670 Год назад

      That’s just no true false info, if anything Houston PD should’ve stopped it

  • @dankchewy2699
    @dankchewy2699 2 года назад +66

    The Devil did his work that night. Sad times we live in.

    • @luckysvn9376
      @luckysvn9376 2 года назад +2

      There’s other entities other than the devil that are responsible or shit like this thought I’d add.

    • @harrissr.615
      @harrissr.615 2 года назад

      @@luckysvn9376 like what/who? (Genuine curiosity)

    • @theghettoracle
      @theghettoracle 2 года назад

      I do work every night, I just don't kill people and harvest their souls though(get over yourselves). Quite frankly I'm not all that interested in humans.
      I wish y'all would leave me the hell out of this, what occured that night were the results of negligence, hyperactive over stimulated drugged up and dehydrated raging ravers compacting each other like mindless idiots, poor planning, poor communication and organizing...
      Humans steady trying to blame me for the shit they're responsible for.

    • @theghettoracle
      @theghettoracle 2 года назад

      @@luckysvn9376 Thank you, SIR!

    • @trishmagenta883
      @trishmagenta883 2 года назад

      @@theghettoracle Huh?

  • @EMI713_
    @EMI713_ 2 года назад +11

    I ain’t gon lie joe I left you when you parted ways with Rory and mal, but you just brought me back with this take.. 🔥🔥🔥

  • @mauriciorojasclaros2112
    @mauriciorojasclaros2112 2 года назад +4

    Them: "i don't think its travis' fault, its because of the overcrowd, you cant control that"
    Travis: **encouraging people to sneak in after they ran out of tickets on social media**

  • @dalpowers
    @dalpowers 2 года назад +16

    So glad y'all spoke on this! I was waiting!! Great Points Joe!!

  • @Swagghetti
    @Swagghetti 2 года назад +8

    Celebrity worship ain’t cute

  • @marxxxmusic2423
    @marxxxmusic2423 2 года назад +31

    I miss how “quiet” Rory and Mal were while Joe was talking. These two don’t ever stop saying something. Silence is power sometimes

    • @nabors145
      @nabors145 2 года назад +5

      I don’t mind them chiming in when they do. If it wasn’t for that Joe would spread a lot of misinformation

    • @marxxxmusic2423
      @marxxxmusic2423 2 года назад +3

      @@nabors145 right but you can still chime in after the man has said his peace. Instead of just waiting for there chance to talk next

    • @calicoco7974
      @calicoco7974 2 года назад

      Quiet. But I get you 😊

    • @ahviwe
      @ahviwe 2 года назад

      Hahahahaha

    • @brandocabz1023
      @brandocabz1023 2 года назад +3

      hard disagree

  • @xantastic6301
    @xantastic6301 2 года назад +28

    Show could've been shut down as soon as they broke down those barriers

    • @jerseydevil1
      @jerseydevil1 2 года назад +2

      And what you think would’ve happened after that ? The crowd who ignored stepping on people was just gone go home ?

    • @sublimelove23
      @sublimelove23 2 года назад +1

      @@jerseydevil1 maybe they wouldve rioted, a lot of injuries, multiple arrests, but probably NO deaths. Xantastic is right, they shouldve cancelled everything the second they broke through those barries.

    • @jerseydevil1
      @jerseydevil1 2 года назад

      @@sublimelove23 lmao bro if you think no deaths would’ve taken place with thousands of unhinged fans left astroworld and spilled into Houston you’re crazy , in the army ( I’m aware this isn’t the army but its kinda a great way to access wether or not you’re gonna do something) our action briefs consisted of if we weighed the pros and cons between each choice & tbh I’m not sure the best choice would’ve been shutting the show down

    • @lockietaliana2283
      @lockietaliana2283 2 года назад

      @@sublimelove23 that’s where you’re wrong. If there’s riots, especially on the streets then Police are obviously going to get involved and you see what happens when violent kids meet American Police. People die. This festival was going to go one way or the other and I believe this could have been much much worse

  • @abelm3629
    @abelm3629 2 года назад +10

    This is what X tried warning parents with as far as frequencies and what frequencies artists might be feeding your kids

  • @211sweetypie
    @211sweetypie 2 года назад +14

    Joe's narcissism shows when he's podcasting.

  • @kb.86
    @kb.86 2 года назад +22

    16:30 that’s exactly what happened. My brother is a first responder in that area. They went to the promoters prior and they declined their service.

  • @WillEvans
    @WillEvans 2 года назад +9

    30:55 LMAOO Joe got me crying 😭 “ohh yeah.. this incites a riot”

  • @MFBOOM100
    @MFBOOM100 2 года назад +13

    The JBP KILLING these takes 🔥🔥🔥

  • @isaiahtaylor5200
    @isaiahtaylor5200 2 года назад +19

    14:21 was a Travis pun that ish ain’t even plan for

    • @JS310
      @JS310 2 года назад +3

      lmao seamless aswell but you just know he never meant it

    • @darnelldarden9429
      @darnelldarden9429 2 года назад

      Word I did a double take to see if he said it on purpose

  • @folkscrazyouthere3076
    @folkscrazyouthere3076 2 года назад +10

    Ice plays devils advocate to the weakest situations. Watching a live doesn't give you full justice on what was going on .

  • @fararmedia2189
    @fararmedia2189 2 года назад +10

    They talk over each other too much

  • @williambennett9643
    @williambennett9643 2 года назад +7

    They dropped the ball when you make only one entrance and one exit. People were caged in and couldn’t get to the exit because people in the back were rushing to the front so how people in the front suppose to get to the exit??

  • @melindadoes
    @melindadoes 2 года назад +3

    I wish y’all would have mentioned Travis partying at Dave and busters till 5 in the morning

  • @22redwing93
    @22redwing93 2 года назад +15

    Every time I see Travis Scott on video, he’s always treating people like shit.

  • @AquaAlecia94
    @AquaAlecia94 2 года назад +5

    Gov Ball has canceled many times for safety reasons, Rolling Loud also removed Cassonova and Pop Smoke last minute for safety reasons.

  • @Jr201079
    @Jr201079 2 года назад +24

    I blame everybody but before the show was out of control…

    • @KPnDC
      @KPnDC 2 года назад

      According. to the Houston Fire Dept, things went wrong at 8:15am when the Police radioed for their riot gear to be delivered to them.

    • @user-ik5ze1sh7i
      @user-ik5ze1sh7i 2 года назад

      Also have to take into account the lock downs and how it primed us to be exploited at every level, from shifting us to a delivery only consumer base to everything

  • @XeroFailGames
    @XeroFailGames 2 года назад +13

    No HE TOLD A SHIT LOAD OF PEOPLE TO SNEAK IN..

  • @jesi2196
    @jesi2196 2 года назад +3

    They are only sticking up for him because in the beginning of this video Joe said they work closely with Live Nation. Completely bias

  • @jdharshman5802
    @jdharshman5802 2 года назад +13

    Ok. I’m sorry I’m new here and this is gonna be a hot take so fuck your pitchforks BUT this podcast has been far more engaging with the new talent. I feel like there’s more level respect across the entire plane and it is a better listening experience. Am I the only one?

    • @rjm809
      @rjm809 2 года назад

      Yea Rory and mal are cool but don’t really have a personality it can be boring to watch

  • @TheAMSport
    @TheAMSport 2 года назад +13

    You have a building to hold a capacity of 200000..and they have no emergency safety precautions something is sooo off

    • @biglex42
      @biglex42 2 года назад +1

      Wasn’t a building…it’s an outdoor parking lot area outside the Texans Stadium…

    • @TheAMSport
      @TheAMSport 2 года назад +2

      @@biglex42 same idea all in one..can't say for sure if you can put that all on the artist..gotta hear more info

  • @billyrich9965
    @billyrich9965 2 года назад +4

    Since Rory and Mal left... This is the first JBP episode iv clicked on... Fact... And its just because I'm studying this case in detail and searching all the content on it I can... Not because I'm a Joe Budden fan

  • @danielcervantes5910
    @danielcervantes5910 2 года назад +9

    What mainly caused the deaths was the layout of the stage. Even people before the concert were saying it wasn’t gonna work and people ignored it.

  • @Lexiannasam
    @Lexiannasam 2 года назад +23

    I was waiting for this from you guys.

  • @wharris123184
    @wharris123184 2 года назад +3

    30:51-Parks: Same roller coaster. 😂😂

  • @rawdawg9212
    @rawdawg9212 2 года назад +7

    That shit Joe's was saying about getting in the club @29:05 could not be more accurate. Took me years to realize that now that I'm 34 and can pay it no problem, I don't feel the club scene like that anymore 💯💯💯💯💯

  • @edithali1263
    @edithali1263 2 года назад +4

    Yeah people snuck in without tickets, but Travis Scott also encourage them to do that very thing before the concert. He said this whole recipe up to be a disaster… No doubt

  • @Cocochantelle
    @Cocochantelle 2 года назад +3

    I can’t watch Joe Budden. He just needs to have a show by himself if he won’t let anyone else talk or make their points. Why do these men continue to work with him and get sonned. Is the check that good?

  • @distinctlydri2831
    @distinctlydri2831 2 года назад +5

    This event was staffed with more police and security than the World Series however they couldn’t tell the promoters that a mass event was going on for over 30 minutes. Festivals are different than concerts. This isn’t the first Astroworld either. Part of Travis persona is his social awkwardness.

    • @HueyFreeman_
      @HueyFreeman_ 2 года назад +1

      I agree, but it gets very weird when people don’t understand this has been Travis persona since day 1 , they just assume he doesn’t care , I would ask tho .. how should someone respond on the internet to over 8 deaths , it’s a lose lose situation.

    • @stephanie3506
      @stephanie3506 2 года назад

      He seems DUMB to me....

  • @dbuck2862
    @dbuck2862 2 года назад +5

    they need seat at festival concerts and not allow those many people to stand up and push forward crushing people. Only allow a vip section for standing with limited amount of people to go into this section. A seated venue would have stop a lot of this. I use to do security a lot of concerts and seated venues are a huge way to stop to many people to push to the front and allows for more control of security and ushers at the venue.

  • @jirias
    @jirias 2 года назад +4

    lmao Ice's face at 19:15

  • @Pmoney936
    @Pmoney936 2 года назад +3

    Joe…. If every cop is at astroworld who’s out patrolling lol

    • @Pmoney936
      @Pmoney936 2 года назад

      How many cops do you see at a 100,000 occupants football game?

    • @atothetop3779
      @atothetop3779 2 года назад

      @@Pmoney936 that’s not a music concert

    • @Pmoney936
      @Pmoney936 2 года назад

      @@atothetop3779 there are sporting events that are equivalent in size to that festival. Don’t get your point. Could argue the crowds are rowdier

  • @dankestranch8738
    @dankestranch8738 2 года назад +27

    This is the best, most well researched take on this topic. Respect

    • @jasunsky3985
      @jasunsky3985 2 года назад

      Do you watch Bro Sanchez on RUclips?

    • @johnrossi6189
      @johnrossi6189 2 года назад +7

      Well researched? They didn't talk about his horrible apology video (unless this came out before that?) Or barely talked about the things he tweeted, including the deleted ones he had. They barely held this man accountable for the partial blame that is on him.

    • @mattslocum5740
      @mattslocum5740 2 года назад +2

      @@johnrossi6189 pretty sure it was before that happened because they only referenced the pr apology, he didn't come out with that video until a day or 2 later

    • @johnrossi6189
      @johnrossi6189 2 года назад +1

      @@mattslocum5740 Ah gotcha.

    • @dankestranch8738
      @dankestranch8738 2 года назад

      @@johnrossi6189 i think they did a much better job than other media. They mentioned it not being an 18+ event, "if my child died and I watched that apology it wouldnt alleviate my pain", they brought up the lyrics "it aint a moshpit if there aint no injuries", the understaffing and joe discusses that travis' fans dont know who he is because his team purposely hid that. I think it was a much more productive conversation than speculating on if travis saw people dying or not (which i believe he did)

  • @hardeeps5295
    @hardeeps5295 2 года назад +2

    Joe be pulling numbers out his ass lmaoo

  • @KiiDMaGiiK
    @KiiDMaGiiK 2 года назад +10

    They didn’t pull all his stuff out of fortnite, the shop rotates and they just didn’t put his emote back into the shop. If already have the skins/emotes you keep them

    • @420reactions7
      @420reactions7 2 года назад

      As it should be, I hugely disagree with blaming him

    • @johnrossi6189
      @johnrossi6189 2 года назад +2

      @@420reactions7 He deserves some blame, not saying it's fully his fault but to say he doesn't deserve *any* blame is very ignorant.

  • @thelittlegamingchannel
    @thelittlegamingchannel 2 года назад +11

    one thing I miss about that Bumb Rory and Milli Mal, when Joe talked, they shut the Fuq up, they offered nothing. These dudes talk way to much for me.

    • @zetsutsuletsu2034
      @zetsutsuletsu2034 2 года назад +4

      Nah Joe NEEDS to be cut off sometimes. There is a mutual respect here that was missing with Rory and Mal. I couldn't tell till these guys showed up but they were a toxic combo.

  • @beyond-v2j
    @beyond-v2j 2 года назад +6

    Hold the stampede accountable for some of this. Not all of the wild ones were supposed to be there. Especially not any of the Fortnite kids

    • @stevendurrant1724
      @stevendurrant1724 2 года назад +2

      He invited the wild ones. He is marketed through Fortnite.

  • @travisransdell5211
    @travisransdell5211 2 года назад

    Me : Siri , play some Joe Budden
    Siri : Who?

  • @koolhwhip2957
    @koolhwhip2957 2 года назад +1

    A lot of great comments here n I’m hyped to add my input. Since Joe wants to cover everything so will I.
    1. “Ni**as die haha” yeah, people do die. Usually from bad intentions or negligence from self or others, which leads to 2.
    2. Sure the kids were negligent but let’s look at the big picture. What kind of music is being promoted that influence these young impressionable minds? sex, drugs, violence, and chaos.
    3. “Music is deeper, it has energy, frequencies.” What kind of energy are you promoting? Mosh, drugs, violence aren’t positive energies. You make and perform these songs knowing the content behind it. Energy doesn’t come from words but your spirit and it transfers. As a global idol, rapping negative energy to kids encourages them to behave how you tell them because you’re rich, famous, and popular. It’s simple psychology that people, especially teenagers will act what you portray because they subconsciously think if they act like that they’ll be like you and have all that you have.
    4. You’re an (influencer) as a career, so your influencing these behaviors. If I was a plumber and rated as the most popular and I told y’all adding faulty pipes is the way to go and many died, it’s my fault. I was either stupid or had I’ll intentions.
    5. “But all the money made from this”. This goes to greed and putting wealth over safety and human lives. Travis, you’re the puppet but you’re boss makes the agenda and his boss and his boss. You signed up to be the mascot for it and have money and fame because of it. It’s not only the rappers fault but EVERYONE in the entertainment industry promoting this lifestyle since Hollywood was a thing.
    Added note. The Illuminati was founded in the late 1700s and promoted many elites to this day because they were punished by the catholic priests seeing how they were a satanic cult. Notice how life has changed dramatically since then? Hollywood, cars, T.V’s, celebrities, fall of Christian views.
    Last note. At the end of the day, satan has been using others since the beginning of time and this is the last trick up his sleeve before time is up for him. Get right with god y’all, me included.

  • @chonklife1809
    @chonklife1809 2 года назад +5

    Festival layout? Crowd control barriers? I'm curious how the Festival was structured? Seems like there were no exit routes. Horrible.

  • @johje02
    @johje02 2 года назад +37

    this is tricky bc the artist/artists are probably not responsible. the festival owner should be held accountable. but unfortunately for Travis he is the artist AND the owner of the festival.
    it was an unsafe environment, especially considering that this was not an 18 and up event. little kids were allowed to attend. somebody has to be held accountable for negligence. unfortunately Travis the owner of the festival (not Travis the artist) is likely the culprit.

    • @johnrossi6189
      @johnrossi6189 2 года назад +8

      He isn't responsible? He isn't responsible for telling fans to jumps barricades? He isn't responsible for telling his fans "The show is sold out but my real fans will be there anyways?" He isn't responsible for hyping a fan at another concert to jump and he got paralyzed? I'm not saying he is fully to blame BUT he deserves some of it.

    • @nickdavinci2196
      @nickdavinci2196 2 года назад +2

      Well said

    • @biguglyting
      @biguglyting 2 года назад

      @@johnrossi6189 You're referencing statements that didn't occur at this festival or the past 3 years. He can be a part of the issue, but deserves fairness to his actions that night.

    • @shesarrived7690
      @shesarrived7690 2 года назад +2

      @@biguglyting he said the “wild ones” should sneak in to an already sold out show. There’s a reason thousands of people answered his call and broke in. And it’s not even his first time doing this. How is that not relevant?

    • @biguglyting
      @biguglyting 2 года назад

      @@shesarrived7690 link?

  • @illmerica322
    @illmerica322 2 года назад +1

    TO JOES POINT ABOUT MOSH PITS. I'VE BEEN TO HIP HOP AND METAL SHOWS. WE HAVE A SAYING AT METAL SHOWS IF THEY FALL YOU PICK THEM UP. LITERALLY BARELY TOUCH THE GROUND AND YOU GOT 2 3 PEOPLE PICKING THEM UP...

  • @ImBlackSnowTNA
    @ImBlackSnowTNA 2 года назад +1

    Joe you wrong he talked in a Netflix documentary before

  • @destined2bc972
    @destined2bc972 2 года назад +14

    Great recap. I think coming back outside played a major role in the fall of crowd control.. dangggg 3something for a ticket is crazyyyyy. These mosh pits are definitely not for our Culture either. I wouldn’t attend one of these concerts for the Life of me. Still not blaming Travis tho.

    • @JimmyLaughsalot21
      @JimmyLaughsalot21 2 года назад

      3sum for a ticket to a 2day festival to see Drake and Travis young thug Carti Uzi is not crazy

    • @marselisscott6702
      @marselisscott6702 2 года назад +1

      @@JimmyLaughsalot21 Yo carti and uzi was there?

  • @bweaver760
    @bweaver760 2 года назад +2

    No designated seating, NO GO! I have never gone to see a concert without having a designated seat! Never heard of Travis Scott, wish I had never heard of him now😠

  • @branflakee4257
    @branflakee4257 2 года назад +3

    I went to a Travis Scott concert in 2019 and the kids were climbing the white metal amphitheater tarp thing before the show even started! Those kids were wilding

    • @ye23.
      @ye23. 2 года назад +2

      The truth is travis encourages that shit. He encourages his fans to “rage” which is some shit he stole from cudi

    • @blacksheep1502
      @blacksheep1502 2 года назад

      @ye23 Exactly, I always thought He was Lame for that shit.

    • @marselisscott6702
      @marselisscott6702 2 года назад +1

      @@ye23. Nah Cudi and travis both got that from Rock music.

    • @ye23.
      @ye23. 2 года назад

      @@marselisscott6702 cudi may have got it from rock but travis is known to copy cudi so thats where he got it from

  • @KariFromYoutube
    @KariFromYoutube 2 года назад +3

    Rip to the baby who passed 🥺

  • @HueyFreeman_
    @HueyFreeman_ 2 года назад +1

    Is parks trying to protect the touring bag lol

  • @NicoleOlivia
    @NicoleOlivia 2 года назад +6

    I hope it don’t get worse, but it’s worse. Wow. Great segment ! I love the way Joe controls the convo. Sometimes they try to rush through it and it’s much better when Joe controls the convo to really help break down the situation. You did it Joe. 🖤

  • @ThePriestessshood
    @ThePriestessshood 2 года назад

    This invites a riot lol 😂

  • @thatdrapergirl6834
    @thatdrapergirl6834 2 года назад +4

    I hope these dudes on a limited contract because they are more of a nuance that cohost

  • @damiongreen5345
    @damiongreen5345 2 года назад +25

    What about when they clearly seen the ambulance and he kept performing

    • @DYLWhk
      @DYLWhk 2 года назад +3

      No excuse but he probably sees people passing out every show he does .

    • @QuaIityContent
      @QuaIityContent 2 года назад +5

      @@DYLWhk How you gonna say no excuse then literally make an excuse for him. If you see an ambulance trying to get through to help someone you don’t perform another song and continue to hype the crowd up even more. And decent human being would have stopped the show and told the crowd to clear the way for the ambulance. Travis is a scumbag.

    • @marselisscott6702
      @marselisscott6702 2 года назад +2

      @@QuaIityContent did that ambulance not look like a golf cart with lights on it? did you.not see fans on it and all around it? Thats why he said wtf is that? Then he asked if everyone was good and every put there arms up.

    • @sonyap8253
      @sonyap8253 2 года назад

      @@QuaIityContent he is contracted to perform. He not tryna get sued. Performers are trained the show must go on. I am SURE the ambulance is just another day at the office for him 🤷‍♀️

  • @darnelldarden9429
    @darnelldarden9429 2 года назад +12

    Man Travis Scott’s response looked so fake and phony, he was rubbing his head and looking mad suspect.

  • @anniebalsbaugh735
    @anniebalsbaugh735 2 года назад +2

    I believe it's called rage, not just a stampede

  • @lifeofcoop252
    @lifeofcoop252 2 года назад +5

    It’s 50 yr old experienced us VS these new generation festival goers. Our view don’t mean ish !!!! These kids lost. And my own kid is ready to rage at an upcoming 3 day festival in December. And where is the proactive announcements? Dammit.

  • @jamesmcdonald4891
    @jamesmcdonald4891 2 года назад +5

    Joe being very careful with what he is saying about this, which is good to see. Respect for those whose lost their lives and to Travis.

  • @KatieGraycemusic
    @KatieGraycemusic 2 года назад +1

    If he is making that type of bag then spend it on your show to make SURE people are safe 💯 👏🏼

  • @TiniePromotions
    @TiniePromotions 2 года назад +1

    Ish just making up numbers to show he know basic maths 🤣🤣🤣

  • @kittervision
    @kittervision 2 года назад +9

    You don't blame him because a shitload of people snuck in because he told them to sneak in? Travis encourages people to crash the shows ar so it makes no sense to not blame him if he's the one encouraging the behavior that put everyone at risk.

  • @eurasian55
    @eurasian55 2 года назад +1

    He's been arrested TWICE for this exact reason. He egged on some fan to jump off and he's paralyzed. Really!! Now it's 9 people dead.. one is the nine year old little small boy with his dad. His dad passed out n his son got trampled. Its so breath breaking.. He surprised his son who loved Travis, got the Travis Scott McDonald's meal, shirts etc. His grandfather called Travis out.. I think he said if you were really sorry you'd be here. So sad. Travis egged his own fans on. He n the team are responsible. 10 young people are dead. It's so sad.

  • @vtv626
    @vtv626 2 года назад +1

    They finna hold travis scott more accountable than Donald Trump.

  • @Grace4_All
    @Grace4_All 2 года назад +2

    Talk about the demonic aspect.

  • @nonya5887
    @nonya5887 2 года назад +2

    It's not about over selling tickets or any of that this is what u call a sacrifice...

  • @leafaroni3222
    @leafaroni3222 2 года назад +15

    So nobody saw the clip of the 2 staff guys talking to Travis on stage and he shoo'ed em off saying "yea yea all that, all that. Who told me to stop? Yall know what yall came here for." And continued the show. He also pointed out fans climbing trees and that one that fell out, so he could clearly SEE things in the crowd. AND he tweeted the show is sold out but we gone still make sure the wild one get in, and encouraged folks to break in. HE IS AT FAULT

    • @drittzz9245
      @drittzz9245 2 года назад +4

      Exactly highly disappointed in the position they took here. 30 minutes about money made and maybe 4 or 5 minutes on the loss of life 🤦‍♂️

    • @marxxxmusic2423
      @marxxxmusic2423 2 года назад +4

      Agreed he is at fault but those were fans that were on stage for a “stage dive” they weren’t part of his team. They were strictly up there for jumping off of it and after the next song dropped those two jumped into the crowd. Not disagreeing, I thought the same thing. Just fact checking

    • @TMACBENZ21
      @TMACBENZ21 2 года назад +6

      Bro Stop spreading misinformation yourself like a puppet, “he said two hands in the sky”, not “who told me to stop”, and he said two hands in the sky for the people about to Stage dive like the previous comment mentioned to you. Like bro did you even watch the stream or just cut tik tok clips?

    • @leafaroni3222
      @leafaroni3222 2 года назад

      @@TMACBENZ21 you right, I just went back and listened to it. It really did sound like he said who told me to stop tho tbh. The rest of my points still stand tho

    • @leafaroni3222
      @leafaroni3222 2 года назад

      @@marxxxmusic2423 you right, I just went back and listen a couple more times.

  • @sneakaholic011
    @sneakaholic011 2 года назад

    oh god, that fruit stand line killed me lmao

  • @Astroboy_91x
    @Astroboy_91x 2 года назад +1

    Travis scott is still in fortnite. They didn't pull all his stuff out of the game. I just checked today and all my travis scott skins, pickaxe , emotes and wraps are still there

  • @johnrossi6189
    @johnrossi6189 2 года назад +4

    Sorry Joe I don't like the "How old is he though" defense because he was able to control the crowd and even stopped the show to tell his fans to jump the person who touched his fucking shoe at one of his shows. I wish you guys held him alittle more accountable for his actions. Again I don't think he is fully at fault but he is partially at fault. He is in his 20s, he knows right from wrong. I'm 27, everyone makes mistakes, I'm not saying he has to be perfect, but as an adult and a man, you have to take accountability for your actions and what you did to play a part in those people dying and the others who got injured, he didn't even fucking say sorry in his stupid ass "apology" video and even put a *filter* like really?

    • @fah232
      @fah232 2 года назад

      Absolutely

  • @kelvin5830
    @kelvin5830 2 года назад +3

    Joe be keeping it real.

  • @kagisosebudiZA
    @kagisosebudiZA 2 года назад +1

    Quite interesting to see a skeleton drawing on the wall with that message. 🤔

  • @tammyd4110
    @tammyd4110 2 года назад

    Joe MUST you control the fucking conversation EVERY time???

  • @carlosvillarreal3610
    @carlosvillarreal3610 2 года назад +2

    The real issue was all the barricaded