I would much rather store information locally. Rather than re-download stuff over and over again. Also, what if my internet is out??? I HATE games that require internet to play!!!
To be fair, you can set your local cache to be quite large. I would expect that it would not download "over and over again". But that does not change the fact that there is barely any _baseline_ amount of data with the default install.
this is the best cloud system we have ever seen. Issues might be affecting the quality It is apparent that the people who whine the most are those who will NEVER be satisfied, no matter how good it gets.
I'm old enough to remember when thinking of downloading games was a ridiculous idea and physical was king. Cloud based gaming could happen but devs shouldn't waste a second trying to convince us it's ready today in 2024 cuz it sure ain't.
I still remember when people said. Internet speeds will never be fast enough to be able to download games off the internet, it will never happen. When it did start everyone said, Steam will never take off, because you don't own a physical copy of the game.
Who cares? He spoke in the present and has every right to change his mind later (perhaps his comments will help) - I hope he changes his opinion because if he does then the sim will have improved, which it should have done before it reached release. We pay for these products based soley on trust but what we get is less than promised - every time. If that doesn't at least disappoint you then it should,
I won’t know…. That headline from a guy in the IT space is asinine. Was it a fucked launch? Absolutely. Name a game that didn’t have one… this one more than others, but still the norm. Is it still the best sim available? Also absolutely. And it will get fixed. Bullshit headlines for clicks will guarantee I never watch anything from your channel again.
Having been in the Tech Alpha for MSFS 2020 I would strongly disagree. This is more like the first few days of the Tech Alpha than than the launch itself. This launch was rushed and the load on server performance was poorly judged.
Yesterday...a fail, no question. This morning the Sim started up perfectly fine, I wanted to see if it was fixed....I had to leave for work. Came home around 5PM ET USA, around 5:30pm it loaded up, I actually had a very good enjoyable flight...(still getting used to new controls). But this was short lived, Loaded up the Beluga at Newark, the plane had no sound and the sim totally froze shortly after take off. Restart, new plane at JFK, again total freeze after the "zoom in" animation. RESTART after 10-15 min. Chose another Airbus (the aircraft selection screen was a jittery mess), but I chose another Airbus. Takeoff from LAX was ok, flying fine for 10 min, then loss of all controls of the plane, no flaps, couldn't throttle down, once again, sim froze up. Decided to try ONE final time, I only got to the Free Flight Globe screen before the entire sim crashed to desktop. So...yeah, this is real enjoyable! 😠
that is what you get supporting multi-billionaires that think the general public want pre-alpha games at extortionate prices. and to be fair it is well deserved criticism that Microsoft are getting when releasing games years before they are even at beta-testing stage.
The game is finished it's just not got the bandwidth at this exact moment to deal with all the people that bought it. The game is fine now. Think about just how much data this needs to stream I don't think you have put much thought into your comment at. The shear amount of data that is needed to stream this game it's just off The Charts I've not saying that it's good that they didn't have the bandwidth at first but I could certainly see why they would have a problem with over 500,000 people trying to download that much it's a lot to deal with. It's a modern Marvel that it does it at all to be fair gigabits upon gigabits every single second to thousands of people it's very difficult to achieve
I'm an X plane 3rd party developer. MSFS crushed our 3rd party sales. They utterly destroyed many of us. Give X plane 12 another shot. It runs off of the hardware and you can get autoortho for free. We have some amazing aircraft coming soon that everyone that loves simulation will really enjoy! We are not a corporate 3rd party outfit, we love what we do and we still enjoy the simulator daily as enthusiasts.
X-Plane 12 and dcs are my go to sims. MSFS 24 made me hopeful but I still remember the let down of msfs 2020. Please bring back the shuttle re entry from X-Plane 11. I love that.
I don't care if the install size is 1TB or even more. I want the option to play locally. Local will always be better than server even if its not always practical. The people who want to go all out on sim games won't mind buying a new SSD for just 1 game and the cloud could be there for everyone else. The option to download locally may even save them some money in server costs in the long run.
@@fredEVOIX Data compression is a thing you know and it's also possible to asset stream as well as simultaneous decompress thanks to the simple fact CPUs these days have multiple cores.
@@vegardpig8634 They can put the most important parts in some reasonable size. Even if it's not the entire 2PB, I'm sure you can have a decent experience with a few hundred GB of data + optional streaming if you'd like.
@@bluecalx40 if you have to stream all the assets, you can't pirate the game. Msfs 2020 was all over the cracked game sites and is 98% functional without a legit copy. This is not.
As a member of a hardcore virtual airline that is 20+ years old, we all knew this would happen. Simulators, even XPlane and P3D, require 3rd party developers and extra content to become useful simulators. And as the SDK was not available to anyone but official partners, the launch could never be good. Server issues aside. Also, to say "MSFS2020 is not much better today, if at all, from the day it launched" is a wild comment Jay. There is some amazing 3rd party planes and sceneries. Also, a lot of the issues that existed (admitedly for way too long) have been ironed out by micorsoft. But that is why 2024 is such an annoyance. MSFS2020 was just getting good, and now all focus has shifted to another platform. Edit: All sims need 3rd party content to be good, has always been that way and MSFS2020 and 2024 have been cheaper and come with more out of the box than any other simulator ever has actually. Go pay almost double for XPlane and P3D, open them up with no addons and tell me MSFS2024 is horrible value for money.
@@baronvonslambert More accurate physics would be a welcome revolution for MSFS. There's so much more they could have done, like preflight walkaround and better ATC AI. I mean, with the recent advancements in AI you should be able to talk to ATC and have it respond realistically.
It is cosiderably more than a minor version upgrade. The visuals are clealy superior, and this was only made possible by better utlizing multiple processors. If they nad not improved the CPU multiple core utilization, you would not be able to get the level of detial provided by 2024 without using an industrial grade processor. The reality is that there are a lot of issues with it, but I expect they will make updates to fix these things.
The multithreading is because the old engine is from literally nearly 14 years ago.. that didn't have the capability to multithread. 2020 also had like 15 updates in the first three weeks.. that GREATLY improved it. so hoping for the same here. besides the server streaming issues, I've been in the sim now for nearly 8 hours between last night and today.. and I've had no crashes or game breaking bugs.. 2020 had both. so that's an improvment.
Yeah, I was holding off on 2024 because I knew this would happen and hope that it will eventually get fixed. I have a lot of hours on 2020 and it's genuinely quite reliable now. It's much more accessible and a lot of the other Sims I play have more issues than 2020 currently
Yeah, that’s why my Aviator Edition refund was approved today. MSFS2020 is where I want it without the nuttiness of this “remarkable” clown show. Maybe next year that tune will change if Microsoft and Asobo get their act together. Forcing people to stream the lions share of data was, in my humble opinion, a HUGE mistake. But with Microsoft at the helm it’s always been kick it out the door and worry about it later. Until then there’s so many other things to do on my PC to keep me more than occupied.
Yup, thank God for Steam. They refunded it even though I had over 3 hours playtime. My internet goes out too much to play only online. I’m happy with Xplane 12 and msfs 2020 so I’ll stick with those for now.
@@abstractdrumzhave another look in like a couple of days, the issues were literally just because they underprepared the servers for launch and it seems like things are already fine. personally i wouldn't have paid for it anyway until add-ons are ported.
Not as bad as this though. It's been 2 days and I'm still unable to load into a plane and fly. And hilariously despite that I already have a trophy for a first flight I haven't done! lol.
2020 is DRAMATICALLY better than when it launched. 2020 is FANTASTIC. i will keep playing 2020 for the next 6 months until 2024 is actually in a playable state
In a day and age where hard drives (and SSDs) are literally dirt-cheap, WHY are companies getting away with the argument that they want to conserve disk space on the client? I genuinely don't get that. Also, there are games using like 100GB of data, like the old MS Flight Simulator from 2020, where the official content (if you download everything) already uses like 420GB of space. Also, if you think about having to transfer gigabytes of data (and potentially the same data) each and every time, this uses a heck of a lot of power, not only in the data center, but also on the way from the data center to you.
On the subject of aging oneself, I remember when MSFS was considered "the" test of PC clone compatibility to the point that clones would advertise they could run MSFS.
I'm running ms2024 . It boots up everytime almost twice as fast as 2020. And everything about 2024 is better. Better lighting due to true ray tracing (especially in the clouds), 3D trees that look like trees, houses that look like buildings instead of an impressionist paintings (2020), tracks and waves in sand, snow, and water, real seasons, more types of clouds, ability to make controller assignments that work for just one plane or for all your planes (your choice), faster way to assign or change functions to controllers in the options screens, careers. I've never been so pleased with a flightsim. If everything looks dull down below, its because now it is late Fall. Change the month to late May and everything is beautiful.
City data still loading in while flying around was the same for MFS2020 when you're visiting a city for the first time, the more you fly the area the better it is as it doesnt have to redownload that cities data
Can we bring back releasing finished games? It’s so common that these companies release broken or unfinished garbage and use the customers as free labor for playtesting.
This is why no one should pre order and only buy when it's fully working. This wasn't a problem before games could be updated but now companies can charge full price for a not fully working product because people will pay anyway and treat paying customers as beta testers
Been using X-Plane since 2007, used MSFS since 1984. Bought 2020 could not get controllers to work consistently. Use only X-Plane, got over 100 nice aircraft, even the ISS.
I was gonna come here and make some snarky joke about piloting The International Space Station, thinking you meant something else... Glad I googled it first. Lol. For context: never heard about xplane before today lol
Playing it with a controller makes it a "simcade". If you want to get into VR and have a yoke, pedals, throttle and follow procedures and checklists et.c. it will be more of a sim. It's basically a sandbox and it's up to you how you play it.
It amazes me how many people don't realise cloud service is the only way to manage the whole world being in the game... I'm the first to hate on games that require you to be online even to play offline and I have quite a slow connection, so of course it's a big disadvantage for me, but seriously anyone of you think you have a few petabytes of storage laying around? Google is free, go check the dimension of their server just to hold game world. Also I have a 5700X3D with 32GB 3733 MT/s and a 6700XT with 35-40 Mb/s (bit) connection and could fly around for an hour without any crash or game breaking bugs (only on one landing the plane somehow popped and got into a vertical position). Some textures of some airports took a but to load but remember my connection is dogshit.
That's true. But they could have allowed us to draw a circle on the World Map and download the scenery contained within the circle (up to a point of course) for free flight, or an area around a flight path for flight plans.
Something I've been repeatedly mentioning in the lead up to this release in various video, is that the a large portion of that increased multi-threading usage is because of the content streaming. It's only ever going to work right for the amount out users they are going to serve is with compression. The point of those additional threads is to handle decompression in real-time. That's also why the 2700X is suggested where it is compared to Intel. It's just way better at decompression than everything Intel up to the 9900K. Even the 4790K remained competitive with the 8700K in pure gaming benches of the time, which explains the jump to a 10700K.
@@bmacaulay18 Indeed.... especially this version is completely online only.... they need to add a complete off-line only version and data compression is a thing. I suggest people go and actually *unpack a mesh and texture file* for a game and you will see how damn big it gets.
Issues vary region to region and over time periods. For example the very few UK gamers who could play on the 20th for a while were then screwed as soon as Americans started to wake up and go online,
I've been in for several hours today. The performance is actually fairly reasonable. The problem is that the data streaming still doesn't really seem to be working. Also the game has a bunch of little bugs and a general lack of polish.
Hello everyone I am a hardcore simeur and the launch of MSF 2024 it did not surprise me it was the same lore of the release msfs 2020, we must wait until the game stabilizes and that the addons of msfs 2020 is transferred to the 2024 It is impossible that a game like msfs arrives at its premium from the release.
Honestly I’ve had no issues, except for the first 8 hours, since then the game was running flawlessly and I’ve already had loads of fun with it. It’s great. Sure, sometimes the wait times are a little worse because of the server, but I’m happy with waiting 5-10 seconds extra on every loading rather than dealing with the awfully huge installation of MSFS2020. The improvements from 2020 show immediately and I really think the wave of negativity isn’t very fair. Also I only have 100 Mbps connection, but it’s enough for an almost flawless 1440p ultra settings experience. The one issue I have with the cloud dependence of this game is the fact that we don’t know how long is Microsoft going to keep this cloud online and when will we lose access, but as a game pass user I’m not that concerned.
Here is an idea. Wait a few days for the server load to ease. Go outside. Watch the sunset. F a girl. There are many other things you can do. You don't need to play RIGHT NOW! 😂
You should have a look at what your Dynamic LOD is set to as it’s attached to your FPS. If you set it to 30, it’ll increase your LOD to attain 30 FPS and adjust based on if you’re in the air or on the ground. If you’re not going to set a manual LOD, set something like 70 or 80. As another option, you could disable the Dynamic LOD and set your terrain and object LOD manually. Start at 100 and increase as necessary to achieve a certain FPS. Also, the setting for DLSS, FSR, and DLAA is where you see the TAA option in your menu. You can swap between any of those options. Hope this helps and you have no idea how cool it is to see you flight simming brotha!!!
One thing that pisses me off about MSFS 2020 and 2024 is that they completely excluded the C-172 steam gauge version from the Standard version of MSFS. Apparently, they somehow made it impossible for third parties to add it too. I didn't know this before I bought MSFS 2020. If I want it now, I would have to spend another $80 for the deluxe version. This is pure greed on Microsoft's part to leave out the most popular plane ever built, unless you're willing to pay more.
To be fair, the textron aircraft (besides the 152) in the base 2020 were modeled after new airframes. 172’s haven’t come steam gauge equipped for a hot minute now. Sure a lot of the old school and rental ones comes with dials…but I do get why textron wouldn’t want them to include a 1981 P model as the base when it’s not representative of the current showroom offerings.
Nobody talks about the awesome default iniBuilds A330/A321XLR/A400M we get for free. 🥲 The A330 is probably the best default aircraft in any sim, ever.
I dont understand why people get frustrated with a game that doesn't run well on day 1.....this has been a constant thing with EVERY game for the last 6 years at least. Cyberpunk was an example of all the hype and then was terrible for awhile. Eventually it got better. Dont buy AAA games day 1. How many games do people need to experience with this before they stop expecting perfection?
I dont understand why people get frustrated with a burnt meal when it gets to the table. Eventually, when you poop it out, it's all the same. Dont buy 3 Michelin *** food day 1 added to the menu expecting exceptional cuisine.
That's a really wild statement to make, are you for real? If a publisher is selling a game for full price it should work, period. It shouldn't be acceptable to release broken games and people shouldn't just accept it because "eventually" it'll get better. It's not about "perfection", it's about a game working as advertised, if it's not in great shape at least release it as early access so that people don't expect a finished product.
@@chrys9256 I disagree slightly. If it's "AAA" it should be exceptional, at launch. That's the analogy i was making with triple Michelin Star dishes. It's The Best of the best, period. Nothing less then perfect. If it's less than perfect, it's not "AAA", it should be priced and sold accordingly. No one (ofc there would be some) would complain if MFS launched, as Jay described it, at 20Bucks instead of 200 :/
@@adriandangelo3029 Don't pay if it's not complete. Wasn't the first time. Stop buying Day One. Stop Preordering. But people be like: "BuT i WaNnA bE tHe FiRsT aNd I wAnT iT nOw!" And to be fair: The entire "Imma gonny buy this only to leave a shiddy review and then refund it, maybe gonna try again in a year or two if it's on sale, but probably not" mentality just sucks.
No offense but you just don't know what you're talking about here. The launch day was terrible sure, but they made so many improvements to the overall experience, plus everything we've bought was ported over too. I was frustrated like everyone else yesterday (Spent over 1000 hours on MSFS 2020) but today? I've enjoyed every minute. As always, it's a massive sim with SO MANY THINGS, it sucks to just spit on the game and the devs after 24 hours. MSFS 2020 received a lot of improvements over the years too and yet it still has many issues today. It's a big sim, that's how it is. I had no issue enjoying my flights today.
Mad8x: Agreed 100%. How can you pan a potentionally ground-breaking advance in simulation after production release within 48 hours? The development team is working to produce a program that is all things to all people with all platforms. There are going to be birth pains galore. This video is sour grapes from someone who apparently does not understand the challenges faced by the developers. I too started with the FS1 SubLogic sim back in 1982. FS 2020 has been terrific, and 2024 will be great as well EVENTUALLY. That's when I will make the switch. Early adopters need to suck it up... (or be ;like me and wait until the birth pains subside).
newsflash tech tubers reviewers aren't gamers influencers don't even bother using cpu affinity something everyone should have done since 8 cores cpus exist as no game DX11 or older can manage even 8c/16t most only work properly with 8t, this means every single benchmark done on DX11 or less aren't properly done, this should be said in every video and written review but it's not, Linus even said it on threadripper 3960x "it's weird how the game process jump between cores too bad it's creating stuttering" >< yes that's why you needed and always need to use cpu affinity, stalker 2 I blocked all CCD1 cores 9-16 and it runs as well as it can, zero reason for a game to jump to core 12 use it 10% for 3s then jump to another core leaving it at 0% imagine having a conversation with 1 person over 16 different phones and the communication switches at random that's what windows does unless you force it to do what's optimal
Completely agree. I mean, he didn’t even know that 2020 didn’t have a career mode, so how can he even begin to make any other factual comparisons between the games, if he doesn’t know about one of, if not THE biggest upgrade between the sims, which has been common knowledge to anyone half interested in the flight sim community, for quite a while now. 🤷🏼♂️ Definitely one of his poorest rant videos I’ve seen to date.
Game companies prolly think we gamers would eventually get used to buggy/unfinished games at launch so long as there's the promise of fixing it later with updates. No. We've grown sick and tired of it. What I've actually grown used to is waiting for months to years after release before considering a purchase. Haven't bought a game on release day/week since college in the early 2010s.
Same, On the plus side I have twice as many games. Used to buy day one buggy mess games at full price, Now get Gold edition with all DLC's for 1/3 of the price a few years later and they are patched by then and playable without stressing out with random freezes or crashes to desktop. Industry needs a kick up the a$$ as do FOMO day one buyers.
I dunno what flight sim you played, but flight sim 2024 has been out for about 40 hours at the time of this comment. I’ve played for 30 out of those 40 hours. Other than 1 aircraft that had no sound, the game crashed only once early on. The world is so much more detailed compared to flight sim 2020, I’m actually able to see what life is like at another city. There were no purpose to the flights in 2020 but in 2024 there is a career mode that lets you do different activities and experience different parts of the world. Flight sim 2024 is a developed product while 2020 was a proof of concept, give them a bit of time to fix the few bugs and this is something you can get lost in.
Totally, I was going to post something too and saw your post. I ve been watching so many videos of live play and benchmarks, and people showing GPU util at 99% with 4080 super and 4090. Something is going on .
@ my fist run was also doing this bad usage thing so maybe he needs to let it run a bit or try again. Was sooo disappointed at the performance is was trash straight up horrible and I thought it had something to do with my 9800X3D being to new and not optimiser for or something but then the second time I played they game is was much more normal and got my GPU up to 99%.
For those of you interested in bush and mountain flying, this is head and shoulders better than 2020. Compare Sedona, the Grand Canyon and Yosemite in both sims and there is no comparison. Vertical cliff faces were a joke in MSFS 2020. Couple this with the enhanced ground textures and MSFS 2024 is the clear winner. In addition, flights load almost instantly in the new sim compared to many minutes in MSFS 2020. There are a lot of things to like in MSFS 2024 once you get it working properly.
Before handing out strong opinions like that it would be smart to read at least some of the statements Asobo made before the release.... They said the marketplace won't launch with the game because they offer full backwards compatibility and want to give the 3rd party developers some time to check all their products in the new sim before going live. Also, it would absolutely not have been possible, to graft any of the new features or graphical fidelity onto the 2020 sim, that engine was maxxxxed tf out and not taking advantage of modern hardware. They completely botched the cloud service component and underestimated demand, that is embarrassing for the world's second biggest cloud service provider and annoying to everyone who plays the game. From a Microsoft Azure PR standpoint alone I'll bet they'll fix that ASAP. As soon as that is ironed out I think we'll see a really good sim and a big improvement over 2020. You will always have some problem with procedurally created worlds and as with 2020 they will be hard at work fixing them. This is the most complex digital representation of the Earth in existence right now. It might take a second to work perfectly and scale to this massive demand. Calling it a pile of dog crap a day after launch seems wildly premature.
Love Jay but this is absolutely true. I think a lot of content creators are just pissed that their Day 1 stream got played with 😂 so now everybody is dramatizing to at least make some profit of the situation 😂😂😂
Once I discovered DCS World, I began to only use MSFS 2020 as a glorified Google Earth Simulator. When taking off or landing in DCS on a multiplayer server, you actually have to look because there is damage and crashes. Damaging tires on take off or landing adds to the realism. On the bright side, you can customize your identity in MSFS 2024 now , no longer a character or an avatar. Back to DCS ! PS I would have tested this sim in a fast jet at low level flight to see the how the texture streaming is.
MSFS 2024 is NOT a simcade......it using three dimensional computational fluid dynamics to model aircraft specifically designed for it. This will make aircraft flight dynamics far more realistic than the 2D physics model that X-Plane 12 uses. Also flying X-plane does not count as simulator hours, that is total BS. Flight schools have advanced simulators that can cost up to 100,000 dollars, they MAY run X-Plane but it is the physical sim hardware you are practicing with not X-Plane. I have MSFS 2020, 2024 and X-Plane 12 and X-plane 12 is garbage. The A2A Simulations Piper Comanche is far more realistic than ANYTHING available on X-Plane. In MSFS 2020 there are different tiers of aircraft from super casual to study level. Study level planes are as good or better than ANYTHING in X-Plane. I will also point out that in small GA aircraft where you are flying in VFR conditions X-Plane can not compete with MSFS. When I took my discovery flight in a Piper Archer 2, I had trained in it on the sim and it was crazy how similar both experiences. The only thing that really stuck out as being different was how hard the rudder pedals were to move in the real aircraft. Visually, in the air, I knew EXACTLY where I was at all times because MSFS looked almost identical to the real thing. I could navigate visually because I was totally familiar with the area. I could take 10,000 people from Baltimore and put them in X-Plane 12 over Baltimore and not ONE of them would say hey, that's Baltimore.
Could not have point it any better, this whole video is just a huge click bait from someone that is not even a flight simmer and is clearly demonstrated by how he interacts with the sim. X Plane 12 is great but msfs 2024 comes with a HUGE infrastructure change and potential that is really exciting. Cannot wait for Asobo and Microsoft to start with the monthly updates they are known for
If they allow you to change the Rolling Cache they COULD have damn well madeit possible to keep that data stored local as an option as well for people to play in "offline" mode. You would still need to be online to get the cache data the first time, but then you could leave the coffee shop or McDonald's or wherever folks can get some free wifi if they have bad internet at home, and play it "offline" as long as the game gave you some kind of "boundary" so you could stay in the alred ycached are of the World. They need to do this. It's pretty crappy they didn't add the options to at least offset the pain for people who maybe don't even HAVE internet at home out in the boonies or whatever. They COULD have, and damn well SHOULD add it in with an update.
@@420inportland This was a feature in 2020, so likely will be implemented in 2024 as well. (If it's not in the base game already, I've not checked) You can also download any aircraft and items from your library to your disk
So,their argument in no. 1 is, - they improved loading times by moving the data source from local storage to cloud storage. I never knew that you have better performance when using Ethernet instead of PCIe as your data transport channel - they kept the minimum specs as low as possible by lowering the minimum storage requirements. Again, I never knew that one big impediment was the storage, and not the CPU or GPU what I was thinking and experienced when I was a poor student. So thanks MS to correct my false assumptions and for empower all the people who can’t afford a big enough HDD / SSD, which costs max. the same as your game your game. What are the MONTHLY costs for a decent enough Internet connection again? They surely will applaud you on launch day, or on weekends, or on days, new DLCs are released, or when your Internet sucks. Really, thank you.
Will still give credit it to the team. When they released the video addressing the server collapse, they looked tired and frustrated with what was happening.
this game was purely a "release to maintain IP" game, or a "we are cutting old game server/suport buy new game please" the "recommended" specs stuff is not because the game needs it to run well, it needs it because they just didnt optimise the game, this becoming an extremely common trend, take dragons dogma 2, it STILL hasn't received a comprehensive optimisation patch so it just doesn't run at more than 30 fps even on top end hardware -.- if a game launches and doesn't have fortnight or gatcha game money then companies will just abandon the game and only push patches to meet a quota even if it doesn't fix anything -.-
The framerate is so low because it is very CPU limited, just like FS2020 was...This is starting to become a theme with a bunch of new games...I wish they could figure out how to parallelize CPU processes more efficiently...I'm sure it's very hard to do, but I think it's time they dump some resources into it already...
"I missed the old day from FSX" Seriously? FSX is the only game ever that was still not running alright 10 years after release. Innsbruck approach with 2015 hardware was still horribly slow.
Developers really need to stop releasing these half-baked, unfinished and unpolished games. I’m getting so sick of this trend of games coming out broken on launch day. It’s crazy how much of an issue this has become. Developers need to be held accountable.
I never played flight sim 10 like you did, however I played flight sim 2020 and used it to practise on before real flights during my Private pilot license days and I have to disagree with you in terms of how accurate it felt. It's pretty damn accurate! I practiced on flight sim before my very first flight and I was surprised at how similar it felt to the actual plane in real life. Obviously the motion aspect is missing as I just have the logitech yolk, rudder pedals and the throttle, mixture setup. but in terms of how the plane handles and flies. Id say they got it pretty spot on. The "Government approved" flight sim we used at the flight school....that felt like garbage. I am yet to test out 2024 flight sim but definitely looking forward to it. I would like to point out that I never used flight sim as a game to have fun and fly around and explore like most people would, I use it purely as training for actual flying in my spare time, so my experience of the game is definitely going to differ to most people who want the "fun" aspect out of the game.
Okay Jay, I think you really don’t know what you are talking about! The first time I think that by the way. I think you are just salty and that’s it. But I have around 15 hours in 2024 already and it is so amazing. Yes, it is still far from perfect in terms of performance but man, we have the freaking whole world on our monitors! The improvements in terms of graphics is also outstanding. Maybe you can’t tell the difference between 2020 and 2024 but people that do this as a really hobby know it immediately.
Hmm "Okay Jay, I think you really don’t know what you are talking about!" and "I have around 15 hours in 2024 already" Are you sure about that statement?
Sorry but this title for the video is just completely unnecessary. Not cool from Jay imo. Played the game yesterday, worked well i'm quite impressed actually. Way too early for him to upload a video with a title like this.
That memory usage display showed it does not need 64 GB of RAM. It would run fine with 32 GB as it never used more than 25 GB. That leaves enough left over for Windows.
I have never played a single flight simulator game, but it holds a special place in my heart. When I was in 8th grade in the year 2000 in India, I went to my cousins place. My cousin had moved to another state for college so his mom was getting rid of his old stuff. In the pile of things she was getting rid of, I saw a copy of Flight simulator. When my Aunt say I was interested in it, she gave it to me. I took it home and tried to install it in my pc. Unfortunately it didn't work. Then I saw another cd hidden in the cover itself. This turned out to be a film of the adult variety. I watched it and also showd it to my close friends. I was a hero in their eyes for the rest of the year. 😂
Hard to take you seriously anymore while I’m literally watching people live stream this one hour after you posted this video with no issues. Judge it for being unfinished sure…but to encourage people to NEVER buy a game after a horrific review like this is ridiculously disingenuous. You’re all over the place lately. I’m out. ✌️
And normies threw their cash at 2024, willfully ignoring Asobo dropping the ball with 2020. Kind of hard to offer them any sympathy. When you normies going to stop rewarding companies for bad behavior?
As a CFI/CFII I can tell you no one should be using a desktop flight sim to "learn the physics of flying" none do a good job at this. Simply put you're never going to get a accurate feeling of flying sitting in a office chair with a $50 plastic yoke or stick. They are great for learning procedures and IFR related things so it really doesn't matter which sim is used.
Jay! Jay!!!! Really, you should stick to Hardware, or perhaps some shoot'em up game. You really have no clues about simulations. The fact you are using an Xbox controller on your PC says a lot. Yes, launch day was TERRIBLE, but before Steam, downloading games on launch day was also a nightmare. Couple of days later and after upgrading from MSFS2020, I truly love it. Loading time on my 2.5 gig fiber, is not too bad, and once is loaded, switching missions is a breeze, much faster than before. The graphics are MANY MANY times better, if you have a 4090 with a latest CPU and you jack up ALL settings to ultra, including terrain level of detail. On MSFS 2020 there were times after a MAJOR update, that the Store was not available for a while. Wait a couple of day until they finish filtering out the 3rd party packages that are not compatible with the sims. Only tell the arcade crowd not to buy, we simmers know better. No freezes on my PC.
This broke me. I spent well over 100 several months ago when the Aviator version was availble for presale. Asobo/Microsoft KNEW the number of users that would be hitting their servers. They KNEW. This was NOT a surprise. That's why this is an absolutely HUGE failure of epic proportions that is absolutely inexcusable.
BRO U GUYS STOP BLAMING THE LOADING JUST GO WATCH THE DEVS THEY LEGIT SAID THE SERVER OVER FLOWED SO THEY ARE FIXING IT THEY EVEN SAID SORRY ITS NOT THERE FUALT
I don’t think it’s fair to expect an offline version, I don’t even want to think about how much storage a download of a map of the entire planet would take
Depends on the resolution you want. People want realistic with less than a meter resolution and don't realize what the data cost of that is, even with the way Microsoft is doing it. The whole reason the bridges are solid is because the whole world is a mesh covered with satellite texturing. They can't make bridges without having a separate mesh of the bridge which would be even more data that would need to be transferred. Sure it looks nice, but it might end up creating less enjoyment because you start to lose things like bridges, or they can't tell the difference between moored ships and the terrain.
My experience today on day two, was butter smooth with 200 LOD and Object detail settings. It looks like the streaming of content is on a separate thread so no CPU bottlenecking and stuttering.
After reading a lot of the comments, I agree with them. I think Jay was unfair in his reaction to this, and does not have a clue what he is talking about. Maybe Jay should just stick to Hardware, and as I said previously, give it six months guys, then take a fresh look. They said, NOT EVERYTHING will be available on launch, and if you don't follow FS videos, you would not know, and that means YOU Jay.
Love sims, but i wouldn't even pay a dime for this... The deepest, most ridiculous real money sick and money grab, ever. And we thought EA games were bad....
...And MSFS2020 wasn't even supposed to have a successor (at least not for several more years), and instead get continued support... 🙃 We got literally scammed. I'll just wait for MFS2028 (or maybe MSFS2032 if 2028 has the same problems lmao)
In the 2020 I followed a tutorial and it set me up on a flight path right into the ground every time. The virtual instructor was giving nonsense instructions, like she was genuinely set on killing us both. I play flight sims from time to time, but 2020 really already felt more like a game than a sim. Working tutorials and realistic cockpits are better than a deer looking at me, when I walk to the plane -.- .
As a former Forza Mototsports player, I am not surprised. The MS store download speeds are soul crushing, I have gig fiber and it took hours and hours just to get updates for Forza, and this is not on days of release. My Forza install has been borked 4 times by updates, this last one I just said screw it Im not downloading it again. I was going to buy this, now I think I might check out something else. Come on MS just get your act together.
I would much rather store information locally. Rather than re-download stuff over and over again. Also, what if my internet is out??? I HATE games that require internet to play!!!
Not to mention all of the extra write cycles this is gonna burn on your ssd.
To be fair, you can set your local cache to be quite large. I would expect that it would not download "over and over again". But that does not change the fact that there is barely any _baseline_ amount of data with the default install.
@@murixbob what about an hdd, it would be around 10 tb i guess
@@Userbenchmark-mit's petabytes of data for entire world.
You have petabytes of free space lying around?
They spent so much effort working on cloud-based textures that they neglected to create reliable texture-based clouds.
Poetry
A quote for the ages
Underrated
Beautiful.
this is the best cloud system we have ever seen. Issues might be affecting the quality
It is apparent that the people who whine the most are those who will NEVER be satisfied, no matter how good it gets.
SOOOO many have been convinced that you can do everything in the cloud with the same quality as you can locally. it will NEVER happen.
Those people believe the eye can't see FPS improvements past 60 😂
I'm old enough to remember when thinking of downloading games was a ridiculous idea and physical was king. Cloud based gaming could happen but devs shouldn't waste a second trying to convince us it's ready today in 2024 cuz it sure ain't.
Agreed.
I still remember when people said. Internet speeds will never be fast enough to be able to download games off the internet, it will never happen. When it did start everyone said, Steam will never take off, because you don't own a physical copy of the game.
What a dumb take, the cloud is 100% the future.
“Legit pile of dogshit, never buy this.“ I'm kinda curious how the headline will turn in a while when he revisits it.
Wont turn, it was released as trash and so the title should represent how it was released.
I love the collective amnesia we all have. FS2020 was also a buggy, unoptimized mess at the start.
The same. The biggest and continuous issue with live service games is...latency, lag...
Who cares? He spoke in the present and has every right to change his mind later (perhaps his comments will help) - I hope he changes his opinion because if he does then the sim will have improved, which it should have done before it reached release. We pay for these products based soley on trust but what we get is less than promised - every time. If that doesn't at least disappoint you then it should,
I won’t know…. That headline from a guy in the IT space is asinine. Was it a fucked launch? Absolutely. Name a game that didn’t have one… this one more than others, but still the norm. Is it still the best sim available? Also absolutely. And it will get fixed.
Bullshit headlines for clicks will guarantee I never watch anything from your channel again.
Never say never, FS2020 was about the same when it's started
Toxic Positivity is not needed!
And FS2020 won game of the year....
Having been in the Tech Alpha for MSFS 2020 I would strongly disagree. This is more like the first few days of the Tech Alpha than than the launch itself. This launch was rushed and the load on server performance was poorly judged.
Yesterday...a fail, no question. This morning the Sim started up perfectly fine, I wanted to see if it was fixed....I had to leave for work. Came home around 5PM ET USA, around 5:30pm it loaded up, I actually had a very good enjoyable flight...(still getting used to new controls). But this was short lived, Loaded up the Beluga at Newark, the plane had no sound and the sim totally froze shortly after take off. Restart, new plane at JFK, again total freeze after the "zoom in" animation.
RESTART after 10-15 min. Chose another Airbus (the aircraft selection screen was a jittery mess), but I chose another Airbus. Takeoff from LAX was ok, flying fine for 10 min, then loss of all controls of the plane, no flaps, couldn't throttle down, once again, sim froze up. Decided to try ONE final time, I only got to the Free Flight Globe screen before the entire sim crashed to desktop.
So...yeah, this is real enjoyable! 😠
stay away from New Jersey is your problem, air, auto, train or foot
Yes i sit on a i5-9600k with a 3080 and 2024 runs better than 2020 and it loads faster too, with better visuals.
This sounds like my star citizen experience . I didn’t know till now that this game is always online only… how did people fall for this
Set VPN for somewhere in the world where it's 3am the servers there are quiet and it works fine
that is what you get supporting multi-billionaires that think the general public want pre-alpha games at extortionate prices. and to be fair it is well deserved criticism that Microsoft are getting when releasing games years before they are even at beta-testing stage.
They knew it was not ready for release, but had to do it because Marketing wouldn't allow them to rename the game to MSFS 2025.
Should have been called "The Next Generation" instead of 2024.
Please game developers stop putting out these unfinished games it always bad results 😭
Only solution is stop throwing money at them. Unfortunately the entire gaming industry has this problem.
Please people stop buying unfinished games..😅
The game is finished it's just not got the bandwidth at this exact moment to deal with all the people that bought it. The game is fine now. Think about just how much data this needs to stream I don't think you have put much thought into your comment at. The shear amount of data that is needed to stream this game it's just off The Charts I've not saying that it's good that they didn't have the bandwidth at first but I could certainly see why they would have a problem with over 500,000 people trying to download that much it's a lot to deal with. It's a modern Marvel that it does it at all to be fair gigabits upon gigabits every single second to thousands of people it's very difficult to achieve
Please players stop whining about the games. If you want real world be a real pilot
😭😭😭😭😭😭
I'm an X plane 3rd party developer. MSFS crushed our 3rd party sales. They utterly destroyed many of us. Give X plane 12 another shot. It runs off of the hardware and you can get autoortho for free. We have some amazing aircraft coming soon that everyone that loves simulation will really enjoy! We are not a corporate 3rd party outfit, we love what we do and we still enjoy the simulator daily as enthusiasts.
give me a copy on steam i will play on my channel
this!! Xplane 12 is the better sim in my opinion with a couple free addons.
Most of us have xp11 12 msfs2020 and 2024 it’s just sad my planes in xp11 are not compatible on 12 if anything you guys let us down!.
give me 2M$ to buy the addons that makes it looks like a modern game and i am in
X-Plane 12 and dcs are my go to sims. MSFS 24 made me hopeful but I still remember the let down of msfs 2020. Please bring back the shuttle re entry from X-Plane 11. I love that.
I don't care if the install size is 1TB or even more. I want the option to play locally. Local will always be better than server even if its not always practical. The people who want to go all out on sim games won't mind buying a new SSD for just 1 game and the cloud could be there for everyone else. The option to download locally may even save them some money in server costs in the long run.
it has a detailed map of the entire planet this is never happening, they made a choice
You have more than 2PB to spare?
@@vegardpig8634 So let me download a couple of selected regions, like other sims.
@@fredEVOIX Data compression is a thing you know and it's also possible to asset stream as well as simultaneous decompress thanks to the simple fact CPUs these days have multiple cores.
@@vegardpig8634 They can put the most important parts in some reasonable size. Even if it's not the entire 2PB, I'm sure you can have a decent experience with a few hundred GB of data + optional streaming if you'd like.
This is just an anti-piracy update for 2020
Sounds like a Microsoft Vista security system. Extremely slow!
Rofl what
@@bluecalx40 if you have to stream all the assets, you can't pirate the game. Msfs 2020 was all over the cracked game sites and is 98% functional without a legit copy. This is not.
Considering the way it works piracy might actually be extremely low
@shraf2kay Precisely.
As a member of a hardcore virtual airline that is 20+ years old, we all knew this would happen. Simulators, even XPlane and P3D, require 3rd party developers and extra content to become useful simulators. And as the SDK was not available to anyone but official partners, the launch could never be good. Server issues aside.
Also, to say "MSFS2020 is not much better today, if at all, from the day it launched" is a wild comment Jay. There is some amazing 3rd party planes and sceneries. Also, a lot of the issues that existed (admitedly for way too long) have been ironed out by micorsoft. But that is why 2024 is such an annoyance. MSFS2020 was just getting good, and now all focus has shifted to another platform.
Edit: All sims need 3rd party content to be good, has always been that way and MSFS2020 and 2024 have been cheaper and come with more out of the box than any other simulator ever has actually. Go pay almost double for XPlane and P3D, open them up with no addons and tell me MSFS2024 is horrible value for money.
he didnt say mfs2020 is the same now as it was at launch lol
@XenonArcher 23:36
@@XenonArcher23:36
@@lauriecooper5824He never said it was the same, he said it’s not much better now than it was at launch
@@Robot_repeater not much better if better at all, implying it was pretty much the same. Which is bollocks, I am sorry haha.
Wow, a minor version upgrade masquerading as a new product. How unlike Microsoft.
compaired to who?
I mean there isn't much revolution to be done in flight sims.
If that were true it would be a LOT better. This is a brand new build that is far from ready.
@@baronvonslambert More accurate physics would be a welcome revolution for MSFS. There's so much more they could have done, like preflight walkaround and better ATC AI. I mean, with the recent advancements in AI you should be able to talk to ATC and have it respond realistically.
It is cosiderably more than a minor version upgrade. The visuals are clealy superior, and this was only made possible by better utlizing multiple processors. If they nad not improved the CPU multiple core utilization, you would not be able to get the level of detial provided by 2024 without using an industrial grade processor. The reality is that there are a lot of issues with it, but I expect they will make updates to fix these things.
The multithreading is because the old engine is from literally nearly 14 years ago.. that didn't have the capability to multithread. 2020 also had like 15 updates in the first three weeks.. that GREATLY improved it. so hoping for the same here. besides the server streaming issues, I've been in the sim now for nearly 8 hours between last night and today.. and I've had no crashes or game breaking bugs.. 2020 had both. so that's an improvment.
Yeah, I was holding off on 2024 because I knew this would happen and hope that it will eventually get fixed. I have a lot of hours on 2020 and it's genuinely quite reliable now. It's much more accessible and a lot of the other Sims I play have more issues than 2020 currently
Yeah, that’s why my Aviator Edition refund was approved today. MSFS2020 is where I want it without the nuttiness of this “remarkable” clown show. Maybe next year that tune will change if Microsoft and Asobo get their act together. Forcing people to stream the lions share of data was, in my humble opinion, a HUGE mistake. But with Microsoft at the helm it’s always been kick it out the door and worry about it later. Until then there’s so many other things to do on my PC to keep me more than occupied.
I almost got the aviator edition also but was like 🤔 I’m fine with 2020 I have fun it runs pretty smoothly on 2 screens glad I didn’t preorder
Yup, thank God for Steam. They refunded it even though I had over 3 hours playtime. My internet goes out too much to play only online. I’m happy with Xplane 12 and msfs 2020 so I’ll stick with those for now.
You should have never paid for it. Your fault,
I refunded too, I might have another look in a year or just wait for a sale.
@@abstractdrumzhave another look in like a couple of days, the issues were literally just because they underprepared the servers for launch and it seems like things are already fine. personally i wouldn't have paid for it anyway until add-ons are ported.
Why is anyone surprised about this. 2020 had the same problems at its launch with the game not being able to download and launch on release.
Not as bad as this though. It's been 2 days and I'm still unable to load into a plane and fly. And hilariously despite that I already have a trophy for a first flight I haven't done! lol.
because 2021,22,23 were all well done... we figured they wouldnt go back 4 years.
@@Daz555Daz Same here, got a trophy 🤣😂
One would think they would actually take some notes for it to not happen again
no it didnt it was not on cloud
Remember, Jay is not suicidal ! 😂
What? Did you think he was? wtf
@Lu-db1uf lmao I don't think Boeing will come looking for him just yet lol.
@@Lu-db1uf If you look up, you can see the contrails of the joke flying over your head
@@Lu-db1uf This is a meme, sir.
@lu-db1uf R/Woosh
2020 is DRAMATICALLY better than when it launched. 2020 is FANTASTIC. i will keep playing 2020 for the next 6 months until 2024 is actually in a playable state
In a day and age where hard drives (and SSDs) are literally dirt-cheap, WHY are companies getting away with the argument that they want to conserve disk space on the client? I genuinely don't get that. Also, there are games using like 100GB of data, like the old MS Flight Simulator from 2020, where the official content (if you download everything) already uses like 420GB of space.
Also, if you think about having to transfer gigabytes of data (and potentially the same data) each and every time, this uses a heck of a lot of power, not only in the data center, but also on the way from the data center to you.
So thankful for all the RUclipsrs and early adopters out there who save me from a world of frustration whenever something new launches.
On the subject of aging oneself, I remember when MSFS was considered "the" test of PC clone compatibility to the point that clones would advertise they could run MSFS.
I'm running ms2024 . It boots up everytime almost twice as fast as 2020. And everything about 2024 is better.
Better lighting due to true ray tracing (especially in the clouds), 3D trees that look like trees, houses that look like buildings instead of an impressionist paintings (2020), tracks and waves in sand, snow, and water, real seasons, more types of clouds, ability to make controller assignments that work for just one plane or for all your planes (your choice), faster way to assign or change functions to controllers in the options screens, careers.
I've never been so pleased with a flightsim.
If everything looks dull down below, its because now it is late Fall. Change the month to late May and everything is beautiful.
I watched this video to see what joystick you use... only to see you using a console style controller
I am the disappoint
City data still loading in while flying around was the same for MFS2020 when you're visiting a city for the first time, the more you fly the area the better it is as it doesnt have to redownload that cities data
This seems to be downloading the same data everytime and saving none of it
Can we bring back releasing finished games? It’s so common that these companies release broken or unfinished garbage and use the customers as free labor for playtesting.
The bean counters realized that it was more profitable when beta testers paid *them* instead of the other way around.
they've become so bold that they shamelessly release broken garbage like nothings wrong and charge 70 bucks
This is why no one should pre order and only buy when it's fully working. This wasn't a problem before games could be updated but now companies can charge full price for a not fully working product because people will pay anyway and treat paying customers as beta testers
People keep buying those broken games, so the answer is probably no, unfortunately.
The game isn't broken, the second biggest cloud service provider in the world just couldn't handle the load. Which is kind of funny, well done MS.
Been using X-Plane since 2007, used MSFS since 1984. Bought 2020 could not get controllers to work consistently. Use only X-Plane, got over 100 nice aircraft, even the ISS.
I was gonna come here and make some snarky joke about piloting The International Space Station, thinking you meant something else...
Glad I googled it first. Lol.
For context: never heard about xplane before today lol
I posted before.. X-plane for me is... cars, TRAINS HELLO! YES !
Playing it with a controller makes it a "simcade". If you want to get into VR and have a yoke, pedals, throttle and follow procedures and checklists et.c. it will be more of a sim. It's basically a sandbox and it's up to you how you play it.
It amazes me how many people don't realise cloud service is the only way to manage the whole world being in the game...
I'm the first to hate on games that require you to be online even to play offline and I have quite a slow connection, so of course it's a big disadvantage for me, but seriously anyone of you think you have a few petabytes of storage laying around?
Google is free, go check the dimension of their server just to hold game world.
Also I have a 5700X3D with 32GB 3733 MT/s and a 6700XT with 35-40 Mb/s (bit) connection and could fly around for an hour without any crash or game breaking bugs (only on one landing the plane somehow popped and got into a vertical position).
Some textures of some airports took a but to load but remember my connection is dogshit.
That's true. But they could have allowed us to draw a circle on the World Map and download the scenery contained within the circle (up to a point of course) for free flight, or an area around a flight path for flight plans.
Something I've been repeatedly mentioning in the lead up to this release in various video, is that the a large portion of that increased multi-threading usage is because of the content streaming. It's only ever going to work right for the amount out users they are going to serve is with compression. The point of those additional threads is to handle decompression in real-time. That's also why the 2700X is suggested where it is compared to Intel. It's just way better at decompression than everything Intel up to the 9900K. Even the 4790K remained competitive with the 8700K in pure gaming benches of the time, which explains the jump to a 10700K.
For god sake, I'd not expect someone like you to title a video like this.... Respect lost from me...
I almost preordered the 199 version. God bless common sense on not pre ordering held strong. Enjoy beta testing!
Why pre-order when you are not even getting a physical copy?
@ yeah more reason not to.
@@bmacaulay18 Indeed.... especially this version is completely online only.... they need to add a complete off-line only version and data compression is a thing. I suggest people go and actually *unpack a mesh and texture file* for a game and you will see how damn big it gets.
Is it bad to say that I’ve had the complete opposite experience so far? I’m using it via game pass and haven’t had any issues.
Same
Never feel bad about having a personal opinion based off personal experience.
@@TheLiveactiongamerthis!
Same
Issues vary region to region and over time periods. For example the very few UK gamers who could play on the 20th for a while were then screwed as soon as Americans started to wake up and go online,
I've been in for several hours today. The performance is actually fairly reasonable. The problem is that the data streaming still doesn't really seem to be working. Also the game has a bunch of little bugs and a general lack of polish.
not garbage at all.
Hello everyone I am a hardcore simeur and the launch of MSF 2024 it did not surprise me it was the same lore of the release msfs 2020, we must wait until the game stabilizes and that the addons of msfs 2020 is transferred to the 2024
It is impossible that a game like msfs arrives at its premium from the release.
Honestly I’ve had no issues, except for the first 8 hours, since then the game was running flawlessly and I’ve already had loads of fun with it. It’s great. Sure, sometimes the wait times are a little worse because of the server, but I’m happy with waiting 5-10 seconds extra on every loading rather than dealing with the awfully huge installation of MSFS2020. The improvements from 2020 show immediately and I really think the wave of negativity isn’t very fair. Also I only have 100 Mbps connection, but it’s enough for an almost flawless 1440p ultra settings experience. The one issue I have with the cloud dependence of this game is the fact that we don’t know how long is Microsoft going to keep this cloud online and when will we lose access, but as a game pass user I’m not that concerned.
To be fair MSF20 was broken aswell
It always gets better with the higher you get. Speaking of.....
Trusting Microsoft is like trusting a firing squad 🔥👈
Here is an idea. Wait a few days for the server load to ease. Go outside. Watch the sunset. F a girl. There are many other things you can do. You don't need to play RIGHT NOW! 😂
I was able to install it no problem yesterday (19th) I thought everything was great.
same
"I am at third and main" - Topper Harley. Hot shots!
OMG I just watched those again last weekend 🤣 Classic
Skip the game, watch a hilarious movie instead.
X-Plane should capitalize on this and have a big sale right now
As an XP dev, we are pushing for change :)
DCS did, lol, though granted, that's usually when the Autumn sale takes place.
You should have a look at what your Dynamic LOD is set to as it’s attached to your FPS. If you set it to 30, it’ll increase your LOD to attain 30 FPS and adjust based on if you’re in the air or on the ground. If you’re not going to set a manual LOD, set something like 70 or 80. As another option, you could disable the Dynamic LOD and set your terrain and object LOD manually. Start at 100 and increase as necessary to achieve a certain FPS. Also, the setting for DLSS, FSR, and DLAA is where you see the TAA option in your menu. You can swap between any of those options. Hope this helps and you have no idea how cool it is to see you flight simming brotha!!!
Can everyone just calm down??
This is not a permanent issue
No idea what you are talking about, I have watched various RUclipsrs today, and they have been getting great fps on 4090 on ultra settings.
One thing that pisses me off about MSFS 2020 and 2024 is that they completely excluded the C-172 steam gauge version from the Standard version of MSFS. Apparently, they somehow made it impossible for third parties to add it too. I didn't know this before I bought MSFS 2020. If I want it now, I would have to spend another $80 for the deluxe version. This is pure greed on Microsoft's part to leave out the most popular plane ever built, unless you're willing to pay more.
Apparently you will be able to buy all of the planes separately at some point
To be fair, the textron aircraft (besides the 152) in the base 2020 were modeled after new airframes. 172’s haven’t come steam gauge equipped for a hot minute now. Sure a lot of the old school and rental ones comes with dials…but I do get why textron wouldn’t want them to include a 1981 P model as the base when it’s not representative of the current showroom offerings.
Nobody talks about the awesome default iniBuilds A330/A321XLR/A400M we get for free. 🥲 The A330 is probably the best default aircraft in any sim, ever.
Wait... people are upset that they AREN'T being pushed to buy more stuff through the in-game shop?
Yes that's crazy lol, also how could payware mods be ready for a game a couple days old ?
Right, thats what im saying. He's mad microtransactions aren't available immediately after spending 70-200 dollars lol.
I dont understand why people get frustrated with a game that doesn't run well on day 1.....this has been a constant thing with EVERY game for the last 6 years at least. Cyberpunk was an example of all the hype and then was terrible for awhile. Eventually it got better. Dont buy AAA games day 1. How many games do people need to experience with this before they stop expecting perfection?
I dont understand why people get frustrated with a burnt meal when it gets to the table. Eventually, when you poop it out, it's all the same. Dont buy 3 Michelin *** food day 1 added to the menu expecting exceptional cuisine.
You pay for a complete game, I want a complete game.
That's a really wild statement to make, are you for real? If a publisher is selling a game for full price it should work, period. It shouldn't be acceptable to release broken games and people shouldn't just accept it because "eventually" it'll get better. It's not about "perfection", it's about a game working as advertised, if it's not in great shape at least release it as early access so that people don't expect a finished product.
@@chrys9256 I disagree slightly. If it's "AAA" it should be exceptional, at launch.
That's the analogy i was making with triple Michelin Star dishes. It's The Best of the best, period. Nothing less then perfect.
If it's less than perfect, it's not "AAA", it should be priced and sold accordingly.
No one (ofc there would be some) would complain if MFS launched, as Jay described it, at 20Bucks instead of 200 :/
@@adriandangelo3029 Don't pay if it's not complete. Wasn't the first time. Stop buying Day One. Stop Preordering.
But people be like: "BuT i WaNnA bE tHe FiRsT aNd I wAnT iT nOw!"
And to be fair: The entire "Imma gonny buy this only to leave a shiddy review and then refund it, maybe gonna try again in a year or two if it's on sale, but probably not" mentality just sucks.
No offense but you just don't know what you're talking about here.
The launch day was terrible sure, but they made so many improvements to the overall experience, plus everything we've bought was ported over too. I was frustrated like everyone else yesterday (Spent over 1000 hours on MSFS 2020) but today? I've enjoyed every minute.
As always, it's a massive sim with SO MANY THINGS, it sucks to just spit on the game and the devs after 24 hours.
MSFS 2020 received a lot of improvements over the years too and yet it still has many issues today. It's a big sim, that's how it is.
I had no issue enjoying my flights today.
Mad8x: Agreed 100%. How can you pan a potentionally ground-breaking advance in simulation after production release within 48 hours? The development team is working to produce a program that is all things to all people with all platforms. There are going to be birth pains galore. This video is sour grapes from someone who apparently does not understand the challenges faced by the developers.
I too started with the FS1 SubLogic sim back in 1982. FS 2020 has been terrific, and 2024 will be great as well EVENTUALLY. That's when I will make the switch. Early adopters need to suck it up... (or be ;like me and wait until the birth pains subside).
newsflash tech tubers reviewers aren't gamers influencers don't even bother using cpu affinity something everyone should have done since 8 cores cpus exist as no game DX11 or older can manage even 8c/16t most only work properly with 8t, this means every single benchmark done on DX11 or less aren't properly done, this should be said in every video and written review but it's not, Linus even said it on threadripper 3960x "it's weird how the game process jump between cores too bad it's creating stuttering" >< yes that's why you needed and always need to use cpu affinity, stalker 2 I blocked all CCD1 cores 9-16 and it runs as well as it can, zero reason for a game to jump to core 12 use it 10% for 3s then jump to another core leaving it at 0% imagine having a conversation with 1 person over 16 different phones and the communication switches at random that's what windows does unless you force it to do what's optimal
Completely agree. I mean, he didn’t even know that 2020 didn’t have a career mode, so how can he even begin to make any other factual comparisons between the games, if he doesn’t know about one of, if not THE biggest upgrade between the sims, which has been common knowledge to anyone half interested in the flight sim community, for quite a while now. 🤷🏼♂️ Definitely one of his poorest rant videos I’ve seen to date.
Also agree. But resorting to rage-baiting video titles to get the comments flowing seems to be working for him.
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How about giving me the option to full install and offline like the old ones. Drives are cheap!
The game is in the petabyte region for storage it’s just not feasible.
Game companies prolly think we gamers would eventually get used to buggy/unfinished games at launch so long as there's the promise of fixing it later with updates. No. We've grown sick and tired of it.
What I've actually grown used to is waiting for months to years after release before considering a purchase. Haven't bought a game on release day/week since college in the early 2010s.
I'm with you. I wait until after the release, listen to the reviews and then wait...until they turn good, or I just don't buy the game.
Same, On the plus side I have twice as many games.
Used to buy day one buggy mess games at full price, Now get Gold edition with all DLC's for 1/3 of the price a few years later and they are patched by then and playable without stressing out with random freezes or crashes to desktop.
Industry needs a kick up the a$$ as do FOMO day one buyers.
I dunno what flight sim you played, but flight sim 2024 has been out for about 40 hours at the time of this comment. I’ve played for 30 out of those 40 hours. Other than 1 aircraft that had no sound, the game crashed only once early on. The world is so much more detailed compared to flight sim 2020, I’m actually able to see what life is like at another city. There were no purpose to the flights in 2020 but in 2024 there is a career mode that lets you do different activities and experience different parts of the world. Flight sim 2024 is a developed product while 2020 was a proof of concept, give them a bit of time to fix the few bugs and this is something you can get lost in.
Thanks for the video, think I'm gonna wait until halfway into next year to get this pile of crap.
Ok, so it still needs some updates and tweaking. I'll wait a bit, as I'm happy with MSFS 2020... For now 😊
15:25 on the 9800X3D my util is 99% with a 4070TI Super and online people are saying they have 99% usage on the 4090 so something seems wrong.
Totally, I was going to post something too and saw your post. I ve been watching so many videos of live play and benchmarks, and people showing GPU util at 99% with 4080 super and 4090. Something is going on .
@ my fist run was also doing this bad usage thing so maybe he needs to let it run a bit or try again. Was sooo disappointed at the performance is was trash straight up horrible and I thought it had something to do with my 9800X3D being to new and not optimiser for or something but then the second time I played they game is was much more normal and got my GPU up to 99%.
Been having a blast playing all day
Just Kids having we cry
For those of you interested in bush and mountain flying, this is head and shoulders better than 2020. Compare Sedona, the Grand Canyon and Yosemite in both sims and there is no comparison. Vertical cliff faces were a joke in MSFS 2020. Couple this with the enhanced ground textures and MSFS 2024 is the clear winner. In addition, flights load almost instantly in the new sim compared to many minutes in MSFS 2020. There are a lot of things to like in MSFS 2024 once you get it working properly.
This game takes so long to install that it locks you out of any possible refund on steam....
Before handing out strong opinions like that it would be smart to read at least some of the statements Asobo made before the release.... They said the marketplace won't launch with the game because they offer full backwards compatibility and want to give the 3rd party developers some time to check all their products in the new sim before going live. Also, it would absolutely not have been possible, to graft any of the new features or graphical fidelity onto the 2020 sim, that engine was maxxxxed tf out and not taking advantage of modern hardware. They completely botched the cloud service component and underestimated demand, that is embarrassing for the world's second biggest cloud service provider and annoying to everyone who plays the game. From a Microsoft Azure PR standpoint alone I'll bet they'll fix that ASAP.
As soon as that is ironed out I think we'll see a really good sim and a big improvement over 2020. You will always have some problem with procedurally created worlds and as with 2020 they will be hard at work fixing them. This is the most complex digital representation of the Earth in existence right now. It might take a second to work perfectly and scale to this massive demand. Calling it a pile of dog crap a day after launch seems wildly premature.
Love Jay but this is absolutely true. I think a lot of content creators are just pissed that their Day 1 stream got played with 😂 so now everybody is dramatizing to at least make some profit of the situation 😂😂😂
Once I discovered DCS World, I began to only use MSFS 2020 as a glorified Google Earth Simulator. When taking off or landing in DCS on a multiplayer server, you actually have to look because there is damage and crashes. Damaging tires on take off or landing adds to the realism. On the bright side, you can customize your identity in MSFS 2024 now , no longer a character or an avatar. Back to DCS !
PS I would have tested this sim in a fast jet at low level flight to see the how the texture streaming is.
MSFS 2024 is NOT a simcade......it using three dimensional computational fluid dynamics to model aircraft specifically designed for it. This will make aircraft flight dynamics far more realistic than the 2D physics model that X-Plane 12 uses. Also flying X-plane does not count as simulator hours, that is total BS. Flight schools have advanced simulators that can cost up to 100,000 dollars, they MAY run X-Plane but it is the physical sim hardware you are practicing with not X-Plane. I have MSFS 2020, 2024 and X-Plane 12 and X-plane 12 is garbage. The A2A Simulations Piper Comanche is far more realistic than ANYTHING available on X-Plane. In MSFS 2020 there are different tiers of aircraft from super casual to study level. Study level planes are as good or better than ANYTHING in X-Plane. I will also point out that in small GA aircraft where you are flying in VFR conditions X-Plane can not compete with MSFS. When I took my discovery flight in a Piper Archer 2, I had trained in it on the sim and it was crazy how similar both experiences. The only thing that really stuck out as being different was how hard the rudder pedals were to move in the real aircraft. Visually, in the air, I knew EXACTLY where I was at all times because MSFS looked almost identical to the real thing. I could navigate visually because I was totally familiar with the area. I could take 10,000 people from Baltimore and put them in X-Plane 12 over Baltimore and not ONE of them would say hey, that's Baltimore.
Could not have point it any better, this whole video is just a huge click bait from someone that is not even a flight simmer and is clearly demonstrated by how he interacts with the sim.
X Plane 12 is great but msfs 2024 comes with a HUGE infrastructure change and potential that is really exciting.
Cannot wait for Asobo and Microsoft to start with the monthly updates they are known for
Thanks, I'm buying it because of your comment, this video was just a old man complaining
Its ok.. we expected posts like this. What gives you away is "X-plane 12 is garbage" Hey.. if its what you wanted.. and works like you want have fun,.
Can fly in a flight sim but not compose a sentence, i have my doubts.
@@mrwpg You know what you just did there, surely you do
If they allow you to change the Rolling Cache they COULD have damn well madeit possible to keep that data stored local as an option as well for people to play in "offline" mode. You would still need to be online to get the cache data the first time, but then you could leave the coffee shop or McDonald's or wherever folks can get some free wifi if they have bad internet at home, and play it "offline" as long as the game gave you some kind of "boundary" so you could stay in the alred ycached are of the World. They need to do this. It's pretty crappy they didn't add the options to at least offset the pain for people who maybe don't even HAVE internet at home out in the boonies or whatever. They COULD have, and damn well SHOULD add it in with an update.
@@420inportland This was a feature in 2020, so likely will be implemented in 2024 as well. (If it's not in the base game already, I've not checked)
You can also download any aircraft and items from your library to your disk
@@iggyiggz1999the option was available in the Tech Alpha.
I am happy not having deleted my old MFSM 2020 on my XBOX. 2024 is such a mess.
So,their argument in no. 1 is,
- they improved loading times by moving the data source from local storage to cloud storage. I never knew that you have better performance when using Ethernet instead of PCIe as your data transport channel
- they kept the minimum specs as low as possible by lowering the minimum storage requirements. Again, I never knew that one big impediment was the storage, and not the CPU or GPU what I was thinking and experienced when I was a poor student.
So thanks MS to correct my false assumptions and for empower all the people who can’t afford a big enough HDD / SSD, which costs max. the same as your game your game. What are the MONTHLY costs for a decent enough Internet connection again? They surely will applaud you on launch day, or on weekends, or on days, new DLCs are released, or when your Internet sucks. Really, thank you.
Will still give credit it to the team. When they released the video addressing the server collapse, they looked tired and frustrated with what was happening.
this game was purely a "release to maintain IP" game, or a "we are cutting old game server/suport buy new game please"
the "recommended" specs stuff is not because the game needs it to run well, it needs it because they just didnt optimise the game, this becoming an extremely common trend, take dragons dogma 2, it STILL hasn't received a comprehensive optimisation patch so it just doesn't run at more than 30 fps even on top end hardware -.-
if a game launches and doesn't have fortnight or gatcha game money then companies will just abandon the game and only push patches to meet a quota even if it doesn't fix anything -.-
@@Snowshill They literally said they will keep supporting 2020 for many more years.
The framerate is so low because it is very CPU limited, just like FS2020 was...This is starting to become a theme with a bunch of new games...I wish they could figure out how to parallelize CPU processes more efficiently...I'm sure it's very hard to do, but I think it's time they dump some resources into it already...
Microslop doesn't listen to it's customer base. They never really have. Why would you think they would now?
MS Tree Simulator does look beautiful, but I still prefer the light weight of X-Plane.
It’s Microsoft, so it’s going to be trash
"I missed the old day from FSX" Seriously? FSX is the only game ever that was still not running alright 10 years after release. Innsbruck approach with 2015 hardware was still horribly slow.
Developers really need to stop releasing these half-baked, unfinished and unpolished games. I’m getting so sick of this trend of games coming out broken on launch day. It’s crazy how much of an issue this has become. Developers need to be held accountable.
Fly DCS instead. Problem solved.
Constant bandwidth usage while flying is going to be a deal breaker for anyone who has a bandwidth cap.
It's 2024... seriously, who still has a cap. I live in Africa and have uncapped gigabit fibre. What's your excuse in a 1st world country?
Our excuse? Our Air Force and Navy could make your entire African continent disappear in a matter of less than three hours. That's our excuse
Also why we don't have a functional healthcare system
@@neilpatrickhairless Sure buddy... sure. We don't have oil, so you wouldn't even be bothered.
I'm so happy I didn't pre-order. And now I know for sure I'll never buy this game.
I never played flight sim 10 like you did, however I played flight sim 2020 and used it to practise on before real flights during my Private pilot license days and I have to disagree with you in terms of how accurate it felt. It's pretty damn accurate! I practiced on flight sim before my very first flight and I was surprised at how similar it felt to the actual plane in real life. Obviously the motion aspect is missing as I just have the logitech yolk, rudder pedals and the throttle, mixture setup. but in terms of how the plane handles and flies. Id say they got it pretty spot on. The "Government approved" flight sim we used at the flight school....that felt like garbage. I am yet to test out 2024 flight sim but definitely looking forward to it.
I would like to point out that I never used flight sim as a game to have fun and fly around and explore like most people would, I use it purely as training for actual flying in my spare time, so my experience of the game is definitely going to differ to most people who want the "fun" aspect out of the game.
"can it run crysis?" Has become "can it run Flight Simulator 2024"
Got a 4080...
And yes it can.
Okay Jay, I think you really don’t know what you are talking about! The first time I think that by the way. I think you are just salty and that’s it. But I have around 15 hours in 2024 already and it is so amazing. Yes, it is still far from perfect in terms of performance but man, we have the freaking whole world on our monitors! The improvements in terms of graphics is also outstanding. Maybe you can’t tell the difference between 2020 and 2024 but people that do this as a really hobby know it immediately.
Hmm "Okay Jay, I think you really don’t know what you are talking about!" and "I have around 15 hours in 2024 already"
Are you sure about that statement?
@ jip
Sorry but this title for the video is just completely unnecessary. Not cool from Jay imo.
Played the game yesterday, worked well i'm quite impressed actually. Way too early for him to upload a video with a title like this.
He apparently doesn't know... Never say never.
I agree. "Don't buy it for now/don't buy it yet" would've been enough
That memory usage display showed it does not need 64 GB of RAM. It would run fine with 32 GB as it never used more than 25 GB. That leaves enough left over for Windows.
I have never played a single flight simulator game, but it holds a special place in my heart. When I was in 8th grade in the year 2000 in India, I went to my cousins place. My cousin had moved to another state for college so his mom was getting rid of his old stuff. In the pile of things she was getting rid of, I saw a copy of Flight simulator. When my Aunt say I was interested in it, she gave it to me. I took it home and tried to install it in my pc. Unfortunately it didn't work. Then I saw another cd hidden in the cover itself. This turned out to be a film of the adult variety. I watched it and also showd it to my close friends. I was a hero in their eyes for the rest of the year. 😂
Hard to take you seriously anymore while I’m literally watching people live stream this one hour after you posted this video with no issues. Judge it for being unfinished sure…but to encourage people to NEVER buy a game after a horrific review like this is ridiculously disingenuous. You’re all over the place lately. I’m out. ✌️
Microsoft XCloud simulator...
The new one drive
Bethesda has infected Microsoft with their air head idea what a finished game looks like clearly.
And normies threw their cash at 2024, willfully ignoring Asobo dropping the ball with 2020. Kind of hard to offer them any sympathy. When you normies going to stop rewarding companies for bad behavior?
As a CFI/CFII I can tell you no one should be using a desktop flight sim to "learn the physics of flying" none do a good job at this. Simply put you're never going to get a accurate feeling of flying sitting in a office chair with a $50 plastic yoke or stick. They are great for learning procedures and IFR related things so it really doesn't matter which sim is used.
This is exactly right.
DCS would like a word reference physics.
this is why games like this and how studios just released half finished games to the mass a public testers, I prefer travel the high seas for my games
RAHHHHH
I was able to fly under a bridge tonight, so that's not true that they are solid walls.
Switzerland has a lot of bridges and overpass on the highways, they are all solid walls...
Jay! Jay!!!! Really, you should stick to Hardware, or perhaps some shoot'em up game. You really have no clues about simulations. The fact you are using an Xbox controller on your PC says a lot. Yes, launch day was TERRIBLE, but before Steam, downloading games on launch day was also a nightmare. Couple of days later and after upgrading from MSFS2020, I truly love it. Loading time on my 2.5 gig fiber, is not too bad, and once is loaded, switching missions is a breeze, much faster than before. The graphics are MANY MANY times better, if you have a 4090 with a latest CPU and you jack up ALL settings to ultra, including terrain level of detail.
On MSFS 2020 there were times after a MAJOR update, that the Store was not available for a while. Wait a couple of day until they finish filtering out the 3rd party packages that are not compatible with the sims. Only tell the arcade crowd not to buy, we simmers know better. No freezes on my PC.
This broke me. I spent well over 100 several months ago when the Aviator version was availble for presale. Asobo/Microsoft KNEW the number of users that would be hitting their servers. They KNEW. This was NOT a surprise. That's why this is an absolutely HUGE failure of epic proportions that is absolutely inexcusable.
BRO U GUYS STOP BLAMING THE LOADING JUST GO WATCH THE DEVS THEY LEGIT SAID THE SERVER OVER FLOWED SO THEY ARE FIXING IT THEY EVEN SAID SORRY ITS NOT THERE FUALT
I don’t think it’s fair to expect an offline version, I don’t even want to think about how much storage a download of a map of the entire planet would take
Drive have be Huge
I think they said PETABYTES
Depends on the resolution you want. People want realistic with less than a meter resolution and don't realize what the data cost of that is, even with the way Microsoft is doing it. The whole reason the bridges are solid is because the whole world is a mesh covered with satellite texturing. They can't make bridges without having a separate mesh of the bridge which would be even more data that would need to be transferred.
Sure it looks nice, but it might end up creating less enjoyment because you start to lose things like bridges, or they can't tell the difference between moored ships and the terrain.
FS 2020 - 130GB install. My FS 2024 install is 12GB.
That's the issue. The CDN can't provide the required data to end clients.
I would rather of downloaded the 150gb of data to have a better expereince.
@@Laforge129 Correct.
My experience today on day two, was butter smooth with 200 LOD and Object detail settings. It looks like the streaming of content is on a separate thread so no CPU bottlenecking and stuttering.
Well the good news is, server reliability on MSFS2020 has increased dramatically since the release of FS 2024
Well that's a hot mess.
You confirmed what I suspected all along. "It's a money grab". I stopped buying games that do not have an offline mode for several years.
After reading a lot of the comments, I agree with them. I think Jay was unfair in his reaction to this, and does not have a clue what he is talking about. Maybe Jay should just stick to Hardware, and as I said previously, give it six months guys, then take a fresh look. They said, NOT EVERYTHING will be available on launch, and if you don't follow FS videos, you would not know, and that means YOU Jay.
Love sims, but i wouldn't even pay a dime for this...
The deepest, most ridiculous real money sick and money grab, ever.
And we thought EA games were bad....
...And MSFS2020 wasn't even supposed to have a successor (at least not for several more years), and instead get continued support... 🙃 We got literally scammed.
I'll just wait for MFS2028 (or maybe MSFS2032 if 2028 has the same problems lmao)
In the 2020 I followed a tutorial and it set me up on a flight path right into the ground every time. The virtual instructor was giving nonsense instructions, like she was genuinely set on killing us both.
I play flight sims from time to time, but 2020 really already felt more like a game than a sim. Working tutorials and realistic cockpits are better than a deer looking at me, when I walk to the plane -.- .
As a former Forza Mototsports player, I am not surprised. The MS store download speeds are soul crushing, I have gig fiber and it took hours and hours just to get updates for Forza, and this is not on days of release. My Forza install has been borked 4 times by updates, this last one I just said screw it Im not downloading it again. I was going to buy this, now I think I might check out something else. Come on MS just get your act together.