@@Pax.Britannica but the earth doesn't have the most efficient gas for plasma like states. Especially the mixture and density of gasses within it and how it will change over time. Even with new nuclear discovery being the alternate power source, it would be to expensive and less practical in the long run. Along with the unease of people hear "nuclear".
Remember that the original gasoline burning cars had to get their fuel from a pharmacy and the motors have evolved hugely in the century. You have to start somewhere and see the research through.
Well, they weren't the first ones who've been studying the development of plasma based propulsion and engine systems. Many nations have been working on this for decades already. Dunno why they act like China is the sole pioneer in the research.
This sounds like an engineering dissertation from a grad student. Sounds great on the surface but when you start taking it apart, there's nothing but a lot of air, hot air as in microwaved. Theoretical application yeah but as far as practical, this is so far down the road you can't even see the other end of the Curve from here
I know that there are RADAR units that can generate several megawatts of microwave energy (I've worked on one), though they're definitely not small or lightweight. A reflex Klystron tube tube has to be shielded by lead panels because it will generate strong enough x-rays to be lethal. Those are probably outdated by now, though they were still in use around 1980. An aircraft would have to have a means to provide electricity for any form of plasma engines -- photovoltaic cells won't be able to. Current battery technology would be too large, bulky, and heavy, plus the manufacturing of them (including mining and processing the minerals needed) would add to overall pollution (which China has been doing a great deal of). I'd have to agree with the "pressure cooker" quote -- all they did was heat the air in that tube. Plus, the round ball has some aerodynamic properties of its own. Might we ever get ion thrusters of sufficient power to propel craft through our atmosphere? Maybe. Probably not in our lifetime, I suspect. If we did have all manners of commercial aircraft with "plasma engines", all of that ionized gas they'd be spewing would be wrecking havoc with our atmosphere, radio communications and navigation, weather RADAR, and more.
I think a magnetron is going to be more efficient that a reflex klystron. In the klystron tube, the electrons still have a lot of kinetic energy when they hit the anode. This makes a lot of heat and X-Rays. In a magnetron the electrons are moving nearly at right angles to the surface as they come to it and they hit the part that is currently on the negative going part of the swing. This should mean that they are slowed a lot in the process.
@_____ Or, the curve could flatten out to "no further improvements". Can you give me an example of a working short-haul electric air flight service? Or even an airplane model?
Lol, you made me chuckle. I suppose the correct answer would be to use genetic engineering to produce more unicorns, thus solving "The Great Unicorn Fart Shortage" of the early 21st century. The farts would have to be fartisctically adjusted for the hyper inflation we are now seeing in modern times. Thanks Biden.
Wrap the plasma in a magnetic bottle to keep it off the container walls to stop the erosion while running coolant to reduce the convection heating of the container walls. Of course, all this takes more input energy. You can never get more energy out of any system than you put into it.
Maybe they could use fuel rich cooling to cool it, kind of like the f-1 engine where the outer ring of fuel injectors were set to burn rich to keep the heat down on the walls of the nossle
In Space or a vacuum you can use plasma, in an atmosphere especially with any humidity things tend to stop working. I have experience from my time on the Princeton Tokamak and Beam Experiment aboard Rocket.
There is a considerable issue of scale and weight to this device and the energy requirement essentially increases exponentially on that basis. Add to this the need for either light energy storage, energy transfer to the aircraft or some kind of on-board energy generation and this is a technology that would be useful to power highspeed drones but not commercial aircraft. Not until we can create batteries with the same or greater energy storage / weight as fuel.
The elephant in the room is that ion propulsion is a method of converting energy to motion. An electric motor does this today.. RC drones and experimental airplanes already exist. They are all limited by their power supplies.The real breakthrough is cheap power and lightweight power sources.
I remember first thinking about using plasma in a jet engine back in 2013 - 2014, I talked about it, then suddenly, China started to make one a couple years later
@@paulsonsons425 The physics behind everything in the video claimed by the chinese group is bs. There is plenty of explanation about it in the comments on this video
Even if such an engine has zero carbon emissions, I have to wonder if such a plasma powered device might still have any effects on atmospheric chemistry.
Scientifically speaking; no. Lightning forms plasma with every strike and its only effect on the atmosphere is creating water-soluble nitrogen compounds that are greatly beneficial to plant life. Plasma is simply high energy particles of whatever gasses are being elevated, the only route from high energy to low energy is by bleeding the energy through radiation (I.E. heat or light) or by bonding molecules.
With the electricity required to generate that plasma, there’s obviously still going to be carbon emissions involved in generating it. Nuclear power is our only way to fully go green, but people are ignorant and scared of it. Solar, wind and hydro work, but not nearly as well as nuclear. The emissions caused in building windmills and solar farms takes a ton of generation to offset in the first place, while nuclear power is thousands upon thousands of times more efficient!
I bet they could put in a custom small form nuclear energy option to power the electricity source. I hope we experiment with this tech and not just for planes but for many things in our world.
I’m going to make the safe assumption that this will lead to nowhere and is a dead end technology for the aerospace industry. The Chinese can waste their money.
There's never a mention of where all this power is coming from. Like I heard a spokeswoman say concerning a EV power station once when asked about where the electricity comes from. "It comes from the building" she said. No really, that's exactly what she said. So the reporter then asked the electric company representative the same question. "Oh the electricity for this section of the grid is coming from a coal fired plant" the representative replied. So how is that lowering the carbon footprint again? Well, ask California. You may be able to afford an EV. But what's the point when the governor say's you can't charge it? Or run your AC or fridge or any other large appliances due to power shortages. China is turning on a new coal fired plant every eleven days. Yep, all about saving the planet 🤦♂
So what generates the electricity ? How can anything be lightweight enough to output the necessary power. Can't be nuclear. So what fuel to run the generator ? And what is the source material for the plasma ?
If you look into china there are tons of scams like these. Baking companies that are suddenly applying for semiconductor grants from the gov "yeah sure". This is just another of the manyyy scams going on like this in china
As someone holding a bachelor's in environmental science I just have to say DO NOT go all in on this. Let its research and design play out for as long as possible. Many environmental issues can be traced back to new tech being pushed into use for the monetary gain without first waiting to see the drawbacks and this almost always leads to death and environmental disruption. Environmentally conscious design is preventative maintenance. It costs a lot of money, and if you don't do it, things will probably be okay. But when shit goes sideways, you're gonna seriously regret not having done it
see: safire project. velocity is relative. resonant frequencies are equivalent to pressures differentials with exponential force. think fields. gravity drive is next. 👑 love, david pressure cookers don’t fly!
My favorite part of these ideas is the material science. Like, how the heck are you gonna contain the plasma? It's just the most interesting part to me.
I think the way to do it is to use a really strong magnetic field. If you are going to eat a lot of energy making a plasma, you may as well use a whole bunch more making what is really a straightened out tokamak
@@Ryanowning If a sled had wheels it would be a wagon. I don't expect the confinement issue to be solved any time soon giving use fusion power. They have been working on it since at least the 1960s and haven't cracked it yet. They seem to be trying bigger and bigger hammers when a screwdriver is needed.
Agreed, this may lead to a scientific missdiscovery like teflon and blue fun time pills. This tech may not go anywhere but the material science discoveries will trickle down to help many other projects in the future. Material science is one of our weakest areas really, with additive manufacturing and the ability to matrix ceramics and metal alloys I think we are heading for a new manufacturing age akin to how steel/aluminum production and fossil fuel refining advances revolutionized the opening chapters of the 20th century.
*Whoever installed this microwave in my jet is a goddamn genius! Holy shit look at those fucking utensils go! They’re so fucking bright! When we’re done with this we’re gonna microwave some more forks because that’d be hilarious. Prolonged exposure to the upper atmosphere’s radiation has opened our eyes to the sparkiness of the microwave oven!*
Interesting development! I recall reading one of Jerry Pournelle's novels called "Survival with Style" in which he envisioned large aircraft are powered with microwave units that receive energy beamed down from orbiting satellites. Perhaps these two technologies need to meet?
Not all plasma are hot. Some are cold that even touched they don't burn. Also, the plasma should be confined inside the engine and induced to provide thrust using extremely powerful magnetic fields and not wasted as exhaust since that is what a regular jet engine does. Such a plasma engine requires very little fuel but it does need a great deal of electrical power.
all of this is a joke. it doesnt work from a physics stand point as well as there is no real shortage of liquid fuels like jet fuel. this is a classic case of "vaplr wear"
And how do u know this please respond also china will collapst and it cant affoard a war yust 1 week and there going to have 30 k casualtys and they have 0 EXPIRIENCE in warfare beside its like russia Yust 100 times worse
It's even more suspect when you consider that this technology would be game changing, yet the Chinese are boasting about it before it's even a prototype aircraft
Your right that it will never work, but World Oil production peaked in 2018 and is now in permanent decline. World will have to deal with 5% to 7% annual Oil production declines going forward. I suspect by the early 2030's Commerical Air travel will collapse as the cost of fuel will be too expensive.
Love how people say “clean energy” where do they think electricity comes from? Or the lubricants, plastics, components for batteries. It takes the equivalent of 50 barrels of oil to go 300 miles in an electric vehicle vs 10 barrels to go the same distances in a gasoline vehicle.
Hogwash! Efficiently burning a hydrocarbon in a power plant and then using that to charge an EV comes out to less CO2 output even if the power plant is run on coal. You can find the numbers on the internet do the math your self to see that.
That's great. But all electric engine technology is still hobbled by the fact that we can't get energy density in batteries to compare to a similar volume and mass of jet fuel or gasoline.
Quite by coincidence I hit the like button just as you said "please hit the like button". I am keen on e planes becoming a thing (I live under a low altitude air corridor related to the local airport) but one of the biggest problems they face is that electricity generation and/or storage is, just by the nature of things, heavy. Maybe that requires a modern spin on old tech like swept wing biplanes to get added lift or a return to the monster wings of the Junkers G38. On a tangent: If only Caproni had had titanium to work with.
Biplanes don’t produce much extra lift vs a monoplane because of the way the wings aerodynamically interfere with each other. It was mainly done for strength before non-braced mono plane wings were possible. What you don’t want in an E plane is extra drag without benefit.
The USAAF proved you could make a nuclear jet engine and if you had a safe enough reactor, you could use electric motors to drive propellers. Also, a number of companies are investigating electric jet engines.
Electric vehicles are unreliable, prone to failure, and aren't capable of the type of sustained energy/thrust required for prolonged space or atmospheric flight.
Even with plasma electric propulsion planes will still require extraordinary amounts of energy to fly. Cambridge physicist David MacKay (author of “Without Hot Air”) has calculated that a single Atlantic flight ONE WAY uses about 4800 kilowatt hours of energy per person (630,000 kilowatt hours to fly that one plane one way across the ocean). To put this crazy amount of energy in terms that are easily understood he equates it to a hot shower: a 30 litre hot shower typically uses 1.4 kilowatt hours of electricity so a single return airplane flight uses as much energy as 6858 showers for every person on board. It’s like everyone on the plane taking a shower every day for almost 20 years - equivalent to 900,000 showers for the entire plane! (McKay actually estimates this higher as 12,000 kwh per person on his webpage - this figure is from an earlier version of his book - 12,000 kwh is the same as 17,000 showers a person on a return trip. He states, “Let’s make clear what this means. Flying once per year has an energy cost slightly bigger than leaving a 1 kW electric fire on, non-stop, 24 hours a day, all year.”
While plasma was the first state of matter after the big bang, it's not the atomic plasma we are familiar with. The very first state of matter to form was a quark-gluon plasma. When temperatures were so hot, not even protons could form. It was quickly replaced with atomic plasma that was still so energetic that fusion was happening without the gravity of stars. For the next 400k years, the entire cosmos was opaque to most kinds of EM radiation due to the sea of protons, neutrons and electrons that flooded all spacetime not allowing photons to move freely through space.
Even if that worked you would need huge heavy batteries to power it. That's why there are no tesla semi trucks, the batteries are so heavy it limits the amount you can haul by more then half. Nothing right now has the power density of petroleum. Energy in equals energy out to match a jet engine even if this worked at 100 percent efficiency it would use massive amounts of power.
As someone that is heavily involved with aviation, this technology is not scalable if even possible. The power consumption to thrust ratio still makes jetA a much better fuel. 🤷♂️
This is based off of the Plasma Pinch Engine Theory and invention by from Soviet Engineers of the late1960's. The idea was to use Magnetic Fusion for it's power source.
The efficiency is the biggest issue. In aircraft it is all about power in to thrust out at flying speed. An electric motor spinning a propeller doesn't need to consume energy making air into a plasma. It does very little heating of the air as it goes through so its efficiency starts off better than the plasma engine.
Yup. Modern jet engines are turbo fan engines, which the jet engine is used to produce mechanical energy to turn the fan rotor. However electric planes will never work as a typical commerical jet uses over 40 Megawatts of power to run the engines.
@@guytech7310 Won't agree with "never" but "no time soon" is for sure. Little short hop things may go electric but you are going to take 500 people 3000 miles with one any time soon.
@@kensmith5694 "Never" is the correct word. We already heading straight into major long term crisises: Peak Oil, Soaring global debt (Now 300% of global GDP), Demographics, and war. Currently we at the brink of Nuclear war.
Smoke and mirrors. Does heating air to plasma-like temps for propulsion sound like a recipe for ending global warming? And the resources for developing portable MW systems to power the microwaves? An interesting laboratory experiment.
The thrust wall could be shielded by a magnetic field. That increases the power use, unless you use permanent magnetics. That moves toward magnetic hydrodynamic drive which does work for small aircraft propulsion.
Nope. A magnetic field would never be sufficient at high pressures. Plus heat would be an issue since magnetic coils generate a lot of heat, and with superconducting you need the added wieght of cryogenic liquids and cooling equipment. Never going to happen. A commerical Jet with convential engines has about 40 Megawatts of power.
@@deltonlomatai2309 Very very low pressures, in the milli to microtorr in fusion reactors. A plasma jet engine would operate at very high pressures, at hundreds of PSI (1 PSI = 52K millitorr) Also need a lot of power to energize the magnetic coils. I work with this stuff.
But where will the energy to create the plasma come from? If it will be from conventional sources typically found on aircraft, how do we know it won't defeat the purpose?
Vaporware. What we should be doing is building lftrs, and using the waste heat from them to make carbon neutral liquid fuels which we can then use in Jets.
Plasma Jet engine that needs nuclear reactor levels of energy to power it. I don’t think they will put it on an aircraft. What types of craft already have nuclear powered propulsion?
Getting to net zero is beyond us right now, some of the technology is almost there, we should concentrate on Co2 harvesting, plant more tree's, develop other methods to collect and store Co2, when we have refined better methods to avoid Co2 production we will still have Co2 collection as backup
Considering how badly the Chinese are, at making high performance jet engines, seems they may have worked around their issues, with this new type....provided it's not all hype.
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The amount of energy needed to produce plasma is simply too high for it to be powered by any battery
Depends on the gas-plasma transition temperature of the element being used. Hence how those plasma balls exist.
@@Pax.Britannica but the earth doesn't have the most efficient gas for plasma like states. Especially the mixture and density of gasses within it and how it will change over time. Even with new nuclear discovery being the alternate power source, it would be to expensive and less practical in the long run. Along with the unease of people hear "nuclear".
Remember that the original gasoline burning cars had to get their fuel from a pharmacy and the motors have evolved hugely in the century. You have to start somewhere and see the research through.
@@jaanikaapa6925 of course but this research needs other research that aren't even developed advanced enough to support the main one.
Lets put nuclear reactors in the sky. Whats the worst that could happen.
And no doubt they will share this great achievement with the rest of the world who has been so kind and generous with them.
Well, they weren't the first ones who've been studying the development of plasma based propulsion and engine systems. Many nations have been working on this for decades already. Dunno why they act like China is the sole pioneer in the research.
@@MarxIsDeadAndRotting Exactly. NASA had plans for this two decades ago.
Given their track record, they've just put together existing research stolen from everyone else - that's why they hoover up everyone else's data!
Lol.
Repeat.
I'm sure China will share everything produced in Wuhan laboratories with the world.
This sounds like an engineering dissertation from a grad student. Sounds great on the surface but when you start taking it apart, there's nothing but a lot of air, hot air as in microwaved. Theoretical application yeah but as far as practical, this is so far down the road you can't even see the other end of the Curve from here
Sounds like more batteries too me
And I would add a firm follower of the climate change religion
And even if it’s proven right, the CCP would never let this outta their hands….
@Joseph Baker or uranium
Ionic thrusters
Did he say Wuhan? Maybe they can use it to power their batmobile.
🤣🤣
My thoughts exactly. GREAT, another scientific "discovery" out of Wuhan....
I’m dead 😂😂
Trump lost and sucks
Find someone who looks at you the way Ashli Babbitt looked at the ceiling
It looks like they created static pressure, not thrust.
Static pressure in a vacuum is still thrust
You've got a ball sitting on a tube and microwaves make it move. Let's not get carried away.
Or air pressure. Silly experiment. They could have placed the thruster horizontally and measure thrust by a spring scale or pendulum angle.
Great, but how do you generate the electricity to generate microwaves?
Lots of coal.
@@dMb1790 I was going to suggest a turbine engine running on kerosene. You could direct the turbine's exhaust out the back to get some extra thrust.
Extention cords.
@@AtomicSquirrelHunter 🤣😂🤣 yes
@@kensmith5694 😆😅🤣i see what you did there. Kerosene such as jet A?
I know that there are RADAR units that can generate several megawatts of microwave energy (I've worked on one), though they're definitely not small or lightweight. A reflex Klystron tube tube has to be shielded by lead panels because it will generate strong enough x-rays to be lethal. Those are probably outdated by now, though they were still in use around 1980.
An aircraft would have to have a means to provide electricity for any form of plasma engines -- photovoltaic cells won't be able to. Current battery technology would be too large, bulky, and heavy, plus the manufacturing of them (including mining and processing the minerals needed) would add to overall pollution (which China has been doing a great deal of).
I'd have to agree with the "pressure cooker" quote -- all they did was heat the air in that tube. Plus, the round ball has some aerodynamic properties of its own.
Might we ever get ion thrusters of sufficient power to propel craft through our atmosphere? Maybe. Probably not in our lifetime, I suspect.
If we did have all manners of commercial aircraft with "plasma engines", all of that ionized gas they'd be spewing would be wrecking havoc with our atmosphere, radio communications and navigation, weather RADAR, and more.
I think a magnetron is going to be more efficient that a reflex klystron. In the klystron tube, the electrons still have a lot of kinetic energy when they hit the anode. This makes a lot of heat and X-Rays. In a magnetron the electrons are moving nearly at right angles to the surface as they come to it and they hit the part that is currently on the negative going part of the swing. This should mean that they are slowed a lot in the process.
Klystrons are still very much in use. Many high powered weather and surveillance radars use them.
I had never even considered the EM noise from these things. That might even be a problem in space, the only environment that ion thrusters even work.
@_____ Or, the curve could flatten out to "no further improvements".
Can you give me an example of a working short-haul electric air flight service? Or even an airplane model?
@@kiowablue2862 I think that is because the klystron is more tuneable. Radar systems can do clever things with the frequency of what they transmit.
Yeah, but what happens when we runout of unicorn farts?
Lol, you made me chuckle. I suppose the correct answer would be to use genetic engineering to produce more unicorns, thus solving "The Great Unicorn Fart Shortage" of the early 21st century. The farts would have to be fartisctically adjusted for the hyper inflation we are now seeing in modern times. Thanks Biden.
Global warming LOL! RUclips is really pushing this..... You have a better chance of flying an airliner powered by Unicorn Farts!
Developers of the TR3B and the Tic Tac:
-"That's cute."
Tesla knew !
Global warming what a fucking joke 🤣😂
Exactly! I was around during the hole in the Ozone scam. Turned out it supposed to be there.
Yup
@@killdizzle Why should they? I don't because it's a hoax.
@@scottmccloud9029 yup i was too it was 100% bs!
Wrap the plasma in a magnetic bottle to keep it off the container walls to stop the erosion while running coolant to reduce the convection heating of the container walls. Of course, all this takes more input energy. You can never get more energy out of any system than you put into it.
Maybe they could use fuel rich cooling to cool it, kind of like the f-1 engine where the outer ring of fuel injectors were set to burn rich to keep the heat down on the walls of the nossle
In Space or a vacuum you can use plasma, in an atmosphere especially with any humidity things tend to stop working. I have experience from my time on the Princeton Tokamak and Beam Experiment aboard Rocket.
In other news, physicist discovers free lunch.
Was it steak?
There is a considerable issue of scale and weight to this device and the energy requirement essentially increases exponentially on that basis. Add to this the need for either light energy storage, energy transfer to the aircraft or some kind of on-board energy generation and this is a technology that would be useful to power highspeed drones but not commercial aircraft. Not until we can create batteries with the same or greater energy storage / weight as fuel.
I assure you one can easily make a pressure cooker fly. Wouldn’t be surprised if there is a video of it on RUclips
Well you can make it lift off, but try controlling the flight.
@@dralord1307 Project Orion but with pressure cookers?
@@BrokenLifeCycle Pretty much lol "as a side note i have done this with pots and pans but not a pressure cooker yet"
Quote of the day "the pressure cookers don't fly" 🤣 great video as always!
Pressure cookers don't fly TWICE.
@@sometimesleela5947 this
Dark Tech: "Pressure cookers don't fly"
Mythbusters: "Hold my water heater"
:)
Maybe not fly, but... falling with style.
@@danmallery9142 as the Russians like to use incredible verbiage nowadays. Pressure cooker had a negative, directional, climb rate! 🤣
The elephant in the room is that ion propulsion is a method of converting energy to motion. An electric motor does this today.. RC drones and experimental airplanes already exist. They are all limited by their power supplies.The real breakthrough is cheap power and lightweight power sources.
I remember first thinking about using plasma in a jet engine back in 2013 - 2014, I talked about it, then suddenly, China started to make one a couple years later
How can people watch this seriously l?
@@paulsonsons425 You funny
@@paulsonsons425 The physics behind everything in the video claimed by the chinese group is bs. There is plenty of explanation about it in the comments on this video
Even if such an engine has zero carbon emissions, I have to wonder if such a plasma powered device might still have any effects on atmospheric chemistry.
Scientifically speaking; no. Lightning forms plasma with every strike and its only effect on the atmosphere is creating water-soluble nitrogen compounds that are greatly beneficial to plant life.
Plasma is simply high energy particles of whatever gasses are being elevated, the only route from high energy to low energy is by bleeding the energy through radiation (I.E. heat or light) or by bonding molecules.
With the electricity required to generate that plasma, there’s obviously still going to be carbon emissions involved in generating it. Nuclear power is our only way to fully go green, but people are ignorant and scared of it. Solar, wind and hydro work, but not nearly as well as nuclear. The emissions caused in building windmills and solar farms takes a ton of generation to offset in the first place, while nuclear power is thousands upon thousands of times more efficient!
@@MisterLEM0NS It is very likely that such and engine will make lots of ozone. This is fine at a high altitude but near the ground it is trouble.
Yup. It would produce a lot of Nitrogen oxides. I am pretty sure the EPA would say "No F'ing way!"
High ozone emissions, maybe?
Wuhan again??? It won't end well......
I bet they could put in a custom small form nuclear energy option to power the electricity source. I hope we experiment with this tech and not just for planes but for many things in our world.
Dear Dark,
Given what came out of Wuhan recently, the words 'hard pass,' comes to mind.
Frank.
Gotta love the curious mind, we would still be in the Stone Age without it.
I agree with the pressure cooker quote.
I’m going to make the safe assumption that this will lead to nowhere and is a dead end technology for the aerospace industry. The Chinese can waste their money.
You know what else they produced at Wuhan??? ;)
I wonder who they stole that technology from?
Fauci probably funded it with our money
You hit the nail on the head.
There's never a mention of where all this power is coming from. Like I heard a spokeswoman say concerning a EV power station once when asked about where the electricity comes from. "It comes from the building" she said. No really, that's exactly what she said. So the reporter then asked the electric company representative the same question. "Oh the electricity for this section of the grid is coming from a coal fired plant" the representative replied. So how is that lowering the carbon footprint again? Well, ask California. You may be able to afford an EV. But what's the point when the governor say's you can't charge it? Or run your AC or fridge or any other large appliances due to power shortages. China is turning on a new coal fired plant every eleven days. Yep, all about saving the planet 🤦♂
Who did the Chinese steal that tech from?
So what generates the electricity ? How can anything be lightweight enough to output the necessary power. Can't be nuclear. So what fuel to run the generator ? And what is the source material for the plasma ?
If you look into china there are tons of scams like these. Baking companies that are suddenly applying for semiconductor grants from the gov "yeah sure". This is just another of the manyyy scams going on like this in china
Hamsters! Lots & lots of Hamsters spinning the generator! /sarc Commerical jets use more than 40 MW of power during flight.
As someone holding a bachelor's in environmental science I just have to say DO NOT go all in on this. Let its research and design play out for as long as possible. Many environmental issues can be traced back to new tech being pushed into use for the monetary gain without first waiting to see the drawbacks and this almost always leads to death and environmental disruption. Environmentally conscious design is preventative maintenance. It costs a lot of money, and if you don't do it, things will probably be okay. But when shit goes sideways, you're gonna seriously regret not having done it
i agree 100% this is total bs
What kind of fuel is used to generate the electricity
Kind of like asking what powers electric cars. What fuels the excavators that extract lithium from the earth. 😂
@@bobflemming100 The question went over your head
@@derek8564, Im not so sure
Coal
This as real as Russia's "plasma stealth"
see: safire project. velocity is relative. resonant frequencies are equivalent to pressures differentials with exponential force. think fields. gravity drive is next.
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love,
david
pressure cookers don’t fly!
Thunderbolts Project. 👍
I love your videos but enough with the global warming crap.
just great....love your stock shots....especially the blood plasma shot! i know the issue....keep up the good work.
It's from Wuhan so you know it's got to be good 👍😊
LOL
Good one 👍
Fauci probably paid for them to steal/create this tech.
Next pandemic, the plasma virus. Great!
My favorite part of these ideas is the material science. Like, how the heck are you gonna contain the plasma? It's just the most interesting part to me.
I think the way to do it is to use a really strong magnetic field. If you are going to eat a lot of energy making a plasma, you may as well use a whole bunch more making what is really a straightened out tokamak
NASA is working on that. If we can solve the containment issue fusion rocket tech is basically ours for the taking.
@@Ryanowning If a sled had wheels it would be a wagon. I don't expect the confinement issue to be solved any time soon giving use fusion power. They have been working on it since at least the 1960s and haven't cracked it yet. They seem to be trying bigger and bigger hammers when a screwdriver is needed.
@@kensmith5694 No, they're just finding a thousand and one ways fusion rockets don't work. They are trying different approaches.
Agreed, this may lead to a scientific missdiscovery like teflon and blue fun time pills. This tech may not go anywhere but the material science discoveries will trickle down to help many other projects in the future. Material science is one of our weakest areas really, with additive manufacturing and the ability to matrix ceramics and metal alloys I think we are heading for a new manufacturing age akin to how steel/aluminum production and fossil fuel refining advances revolutionized the opening chapters of the 20th century.
*Whoever installed this microwave in my jet is a goddamn genius! Holy shit look at those fucking utensils go! They’re so fucking bright! When we’re done with this we’re gonna microwave some more forks because that’d be hilarious. Prolonged exposure to the upper atmosphere’s radiation has opened our eyes to the sparkiness of the microwave oven!*
Interesting development! I recall reading one of Jerry Pournelle's novels called "Survival with Style" in which he envisioned large aircraft are powered with microwave units that receive energy beamed down from orbiting satellites. Perhaps these two technologies need to meet?
I am going to have to track that down and read that. Sounds like a great read.
Wuhan University, really?
Now I know what I'm going to do with my old plasma TV
Not all plasma are hot. Some are cold that even touched they don't burn. Also, the plasma should be confined inside the engine and induced to provide thrust using extremely powerful magnetic fields and not wasted as exhaust since that is what a regular jet engine does. Such a plasma engine requires very little fuel but it does need a great deal of electrical power.
They probably stole the design from us.
all of this is a joke. it doesnt work from a physics stand point as well as there is no real shortage of liquid fuels like jet fuel. this is a classic case of "vaplr wear"
And how do u know this please respond also china will collapst and it cant affoard a war yust 1 week and there going to have 30 k casualtys and they have 0 EXPIRIENCE in warfare beside its like russia Yust 100 times worse
It's even more suspect when you consider that this technology would be game changing, yet the Chinese are boasting about it before it's even a prototype aircraft
Your right that it will never work, but World Oil production peaked in 2018 and is now in permanent decline. World will have to deal with 5% to 7% annual Oil production declines going forward. I suspect by the early 2030's Commerical Air travel will collapse as the cost of fuel will be too expensive.
There is a shortage of jet fuel once you leave the atmosphere though.
Microwave plasma jet engine? Yeah they call them ion thrusters. And there's no way in hell it's going to produce enough thrust for anything.
Min 20 years for working model, then another 10, before actual use outside of military! MAYBE!!!!
Wuhan researchers... Uh ohh. Let's be careful now...
Would be an absolute game changer if this actually happens.
Love how people say “clean energy” where do they think electricity comes from? Or the lubricants, plastics, components for batteries.
It takes the equivalent of 50 barrels of oil to go 300 miles in an electric vehicle vs 10 barrels to go the same distances in a gasoline vehicle.
Hogwash! Efficiently burning a hydrocarbon in a power plant and then using that to charge an EV comes out to less CO2 output even if the power plant is run on coal. You can find the numbers on the internet do the math your self to see that.
That's great. But all electric engine technology is still hobbled by the fact that we can't get energy density in batteries to compare to a similar volume and mass of jet fuel or gasoline.
So ironman with its plasma canon and thrusters could be someday real. We just need an unlimited power source to power it
Coal-fired plasma...brilliant.
Quite by coincidence I hit the like button just as you said "please hit the like button". I am keen on e planes becoming a thing (I live under a low altitude air corridor related to the local airport) but one of the biggest problems they face is that electricity generation and/or storage is, just by the nature of things, heavy. Maybe that requires a modern spin on old tech like swept wing biplanes to get added lift or a return to the monster wings of the Junkers G38.
On a tangent: If only Caproni had had titanium to work with.
Biplanes don’t produce much extra lift vs a monoplane because of the way the wings aerodynamically interfere with each other. It was mainly done for strength before non-braced mono plane wings were possible. What you don’t want in an E plane is extra drag without benefit.
@@gpaull2 I see.
@@gpaull2 I was wondering about that also, thanks for the friendly explanation!
The USAAF proved you could make a nuclear jet engine and if you had a safe enough reactor, you could use electric motors to drive propellers. Also, a number of companies are investigating electric jet engines.
Electric vehicles are unreliable, prone to failure, and aren't capable of the type of sustained energy/thrust required for prolonged space or atmospheric flight.
Question...where does the electricity to make the plasma come from?
I think The Bard said it a long time ago..... "Much ado about nothing."
Haven't we heard enough from Wuhan lately?
Good video. Just sucks RUclips is infested with ads
Even with plasma electric propulsion planes will still require extraordinary amounts of energy to fly. Cambridge physicist David MacKay (author of “Without Hot Air”) has calculated that a single Atlantic flight ONE WAY uses about 4800 kilowatt hours of energy per person (630,000 kilowatt hours to fly that one plane one way across the ocean). To put this crazy amount of energy in terms that are easily understood he equates it to a hot shower: a 30 litre hot shower typically uses 1.4 kilowatt hours of electricity so a single return airplane flight uses as much energy as 6858 showers for every person on board. It’s like everyone on the plane taking a shower every day for almost 20 years - equivalent to 900,000 showers for the entire plane! (McKay actually estimates this higher as 12,000 kwh per person on his webpage - this figure is from an earlier version of his book - 12,000 kwh is the same as 17,000 showers a person on a return trip. He states, “Let’s make clear what this means. Flying once per year has an energy cost slightly bigger than leaving a 1 kW electric fire on, non-stop, 24 hours
a day, all year.”
Once we figure out the energy wall we have right now this could become a thing.
this feels like one of those movies where a lot of bad s*** happens and then the guy wakes up because it was a f****** dream
Batteries are heavy you’re gonna have to use some type of generator running on fuel. To make the power to operate the plasma.
Pressure cookers CAN fly. And dent the ceiling, too. But they only fly briefly, and the mess left behind is truly shocking.
ASK ME HOW I KNOW THIS.
I like that you have footage of people in labs separating blood plasma…. Haha
GTRI was doing this 10 years ago. It used an off the shelf Ham radio power amplifier at the power source.
While plasma was the first state of matter after the big bang, it's not the atomic plasma we are familiar with. The very first state of matter to form was a quark-gluon plasma. When temperatures were so hot, not even protons could form. It was quickly replaced with atomic plasma that was still so energetic that fusion was happening without the gravity of stars. For the next 400k years, the entire cosmos was opaque to most kinds of EM radiation due to the sea of protons, neutrons and electrons that flooded all spacetime not allowing photons to move freely through space.
DARPA has talking lasers, plasma bursts & endless flashbangs.
the light plasma would be the next power laser gun
Even if that worked you would need huge heavy batteries to power it. That's why there are no tesla semi trucks, the batteries are so heavy it limits the amount you can haul by more then half. Nothing right now has the power density of petroleum. Energy in equals energy out to match a jet engine even if this worked at 100 percent efficiency it would use massive amounts of power.
As someone that is heavily involved with aviation, this technology is not scalable if even possible. The power consumption to thrust ratio still makes jetA a much better fuel. 🤷♂️
This is based off of the Plasma Pinch Engine Theory and invention by from Soviet Engineers of the late1960's. The idea was to use Magnetic Fusion for it's power source.
The efficiency is the biggest issue. In aircraft it is all about power in to thrust out at flying speed. An electric motor spinning a propeller doesn't need to consume energy making air into a plasma. It does very little heating of the air as it goes through so its efficiency starts off better than the plasma engine.
Yup. Modern jet engines are turbo fan engines, which the jet engine is used to produce mechanical energy to turn the fan rotor. However electric planes will never work as a typical commerical jet uses over 40 Megawatts of power to run the engines.
@@guytech7310 Won't agree with "never" but "no time soon" is for sure. Little short hop things may go electric but you are going to take 500 people 3000 miles with one any time soon.
@@kensmith5694 "Never" is the correct word. We already heading straight into major long term crisises: Peak Oil, Soaring global debt (Now 300% of global GDP), Demographics, and war. Currently we at the brink of Nuclear war.
Smoke and mirrors. Does heating air to plasma-like temps for propulsion sound like a recipe for ending global warming? And the resources for developing portable MW systems to power the microwaves? An interesting laboratory experiment.
Yeah, sending x-rays and microwaves all around willy nilly and heating the atmosphere to cool it. Sounds like a plan. 🤣😅🤣
What an absolute load of bollocks.
What it's gonna fly in an atmosphere for 3eighths of an second, which episode of Buck Roger's is this.
Cool vid.👍😎
It's a friggin light saber!
The thrust wall could be shielded by a magnetic field. That increases the power use, unless you use permanent magnetics. That moves toward magnetic hydrodynamic drive which does work for small aircraft propulsion.
Ah…a heavier pressure cooker !
@@edward5979 If you really want to crank it up, add a nitrogen cooled super conductor.
Nope. A magnetic field would never be sufficient at high pressures. Plus heat would be an issue since magnetic coils generate a lot of heat, and with superconducting you need the added wieght of cryogenic liquids and cooling equipment.
Never going to happen. A commerical Jet with convential engines has about 40 Megawatts of power.
@@guytech7310 Magnets are being used to keep fusion temperatures, 100,000,000 degrees, under control.
@@deltonlomatai2309 Very very low pressures, in the milli to microtorr in fusion reactors. A plasma jet engine would operate at very high pressures, at hundreds of PSI (1 PSI = 52K millitorr) Also need a lot of power to energize the magnetic coils.
I work with this stuff.
Thats nothing. My new engine design is powered by hopes and dreams and is 100% eco friendly
"Global warming" Love the sarcasm bruh! LMAO
Chinese propaganda on this channel now ? Jeeeez 😩
Globalist Propaganda I’d say
@@bobflemming100 Dude, you have NFI .... SIGH 😂
@@edwardfletcher7790 is that so? 😏
Exactly my thoughts.
I actually cackled at "a load of hot air" lol
I'm not mistaken this is the same company in the same city that created covid-19.
Let's get it
From Wuhan Lab, what could possibly go wrong...LOL...
stock video snippets..lame
But where will the energy to create the plasma come from? If it will be from conventional sources typically found on aircraft, how do we know it won't defeat the purpose?
Vaporware. What we should be doing is building lftrs, and using the waste heat from them to make carbon neutral liquid fuels which we can then use in Jets.
Plasma Jet engine that needs nuclear reactor levels of energy to power it. I don’t think they will put it on an aircraft. What types of craft already have nuclear powered propulsion?
I am highly skeptical of this purported plasma jet engine. It all sounds too good to be true.
Getting to net zero is beyond us right now, some of the technology is almost there, we should concentrate on Co2 harvesting, plant more tree's, develop other methods to collect and store Co2, when we have refined better methods to avoid Co2 production we will still have Co2 collection as backup
Considering how badly the Chinese are, at making high performance jet engines, seems they may have worked around their issues, with this new type....provided it's not all hype.
9:31 GOD THE WAY HE SAID “STAY TUNED” WAS SO UNSETTLINGLY CREEPY!
And then, all hell broke loose when the pressure cookers did fly 😁😁😁
Plasma is super heated energy. Energy is created by burning something. It will just mean a different way of using the energy created by burning fuel.
"Totally Indigenous design" moment lmao
I can hardly start seeing the military applications of this thing
Why? The military doesnt care when it comes to burning tons of super toxic jetfuels.
I've thought about this ever since I heard about some kid inventing a microwave plasma generator. Think he one a science fair.
Stop with the climate change narrative...