_the professor is exactly the ignoramus about which Heraclitus speaks. If you can't read the text yourself, in translation, and reach Understanding, no teacher is going to help._
One of the most underrated philosophers. Heraclitus is very interesting, his theory of Logos is quite intriguing. Thank you professor for the presentation.
Great lecture! LOGOS is the "how-to" principle of universal order, the soul's process of growth, human discourse, and cosmic process! The Logos with its multiple meanings, "πολυσημία" in Greek! Thanks a lot, professor!
Thanks Greg, there's a lot of "Logos buzzwording" abounding in the zeitgeist atm, and I think it's crucial to challenge these Logoi peddlers to define their terms. Appreciate your work here as always. YOU, Sir, are the best philosophy prof. alive that I am aware of.
@@AlternicityBlogspot Never heard of him. I'd say that there's dozens of "concepts" of logos just in ancient philosophy. Simply because people use a single term doesn't mean it's the same concept they have in mind
@@GregoryBSadler Yes actually he said in a video that there is no other European language that can translate it adequately. At some point it may risk becoming so full of meanings it becomes useless.
Would you say that your fuller explanation of "The Logos" is closer to what John is referring to in John 1:1 rather than just "The Word?" What has come down to us in the KJV seems to me to be an inadequate translation. Would that be a correct assessment? Thanks.
@@franciskm4144 Not meant to be "the same," necessarily. John was bridging the conception of Word/God/logos for Hebraic Christians and Hellenic Christians.
@@franciskm4144 Not uncommon. Aristotle was claimed by the church to be a Christian before Christianity. Ari was also called an existentialist by the existentialists (who didn't even call themselves that until Sartre).
Don’t know if you’ll see this, but I have a reason to believe that “first see half…….” Quote is actually in another book all together in translation. I found it by chance. Don’t know if you’re interested in knowing where, or if you already know.
Fragment 115 seems to have multiple understandings. Is the Logos there in the DNA as a predisposition? Or is it something that can only be determined in retrospect as an unfolding of events leading up to the present state of Being?
@@GregoryBSadler when curiosity takes over the keyboard late at night while focusing on the content. Not sure what I was expecting, I hope you found the request somewhat amusing. Great video, your channel looks interesting and I look forward to exploring it!
I've often read that in the translated works of Stoic texts, like Discourses, the word "reason" is used as the translation of the word "logos", is that true? If it is, how closely do you think our modern conception of using reason aligns with the ancient meaning behind logos?
I'd say there is no such thing as "our modern conception of using reason" any more than there is a single "ancient meaning behind logos". Both are terms with multiple meanings
@@GregoryBSadler Thanks. I can see why the Logos (with a capital "L") was such a useful concept for the author of the 4th gospel (although I'm pretty sure he was talking about something more profound than the mechanical laws of physics). Thanks for this video. It really helped me :)
@@StephenMolloyGoogle There aren't capitals in the Greek text of the Gospel. And yes, John is talking about something different than what you are, and both are using the term logos differently than Heraclitus is. A word with many senses
In Chinese Bibles, Λόγος/Logos is translated to 道/Tao. You should read the Tao Te Ching if you haven’t already. It could give you a better understanding of Logos.
Heraclitus is my favorite philosopher. You're a fantastic teacher. New subscriber.
Glad you enjoyed the video
_the professor is exactly the ignoramus about which Heraclitus speaks. If you can't read the text yourself, in translation, and reach Understanding, no teacher is going to help._
This is the first in depth discourse I've heard about the inner logos. I learned a lot.
Heraclitus doesn't talk about an "inner" logos, just the logos
The absorption and emission of light is spontaneous, continuous change! The continuous movement of positive and negative charge, Union of Opposites!
One of the most underrated philosophers. Heraclitus is very interesting, his theory of Logos is quite intriguing. Thank you professor for the presentation.
You’re very welcome!
Great lecture! LOGOS is the "how-to" principle of universal order, the soul's process of growth, human discourse, and cosmic process! The Logos with its multiple meanings, "πολυσημία" in Greek! Thanks a lot, professor!
Tough to pin down precisely what it means for Heraclitus from the fragments we have
you are so fucking underrated its unbelievable! thank you professor!
You're very welcome!
Thanks Greg, there's a lot of "Logos buzzwording" abounding in the zeitgeist atm, and I think it's crucial to challenge these Logoi peddlers to define their terms. Appreciate your work here as always. YOU, Sir, are the best philosophy prof. alive that I am aware of.
Who is particularly talking about "logos"?
@@GregoryBSadler E Michael Jones introduced me to the concept.
@@AlternicityBlogspot Never heard of him.
I'd say that there's dozens of "concepts" of logos just in ancient philosophy. Simply because people use a single term doesn't mean it's the same concept they have in mind
@@GregoryBSadler Yes actually he said in a video that there is no other European language that can translate it adequately.
At some point it may risk becoming so full of meanings it becomes useless.
@@AlternicityBlogspot that's a big Nope to both of those. I'd find better people to watch
Logos I feel is an “unfolding” process
I look forward to seeing more of your videos. Thank you for this.
You're welcome
Thank you, I am stounded by the age of Heraclitus' wisdom on 'Logos', and thank you for your non sided academic presentation,.
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you, this is exactly and more of what I needed to write my metal music lyrics :)
About Heraclitus?
Would you say that your fuller explanation of "The Logos" is closer to what John is referring to in John 1:1 rather than just "The Word?" What has come down to us in the KJV seems to me to be an inadequate translation. Would that be a correct assessment? Thanks.
Well, you shouldn't be relying on the KJV period, but that's a separate issue.
Closer? Sure, but with a lot of distance still between them
@@GregoryBSadler Thanks. Much appreciated.
@@franciskm4144 Nope. Not the same logos
@@franciskm4144 Not meant to be "the same," necessarily. John was bridging the conception of Word/God/logos for Hebraic Christians and Hellenic Christians.
@@franciskm4144 Not uncommon. Aristotle was claimed by the church to be a Christian before Christianity. Ari was also called an existentialist by the existentialists (who didn't even call themselves that until Sartre).
I like E. Michael Jones definition- the order of the universe!!
I don’t. Pretty sure we don’t need a definition here
Don’t know if you’ll see this, but I have a reason to believe that “first see half…….” Quote is actually in another book all together in translation. I found it by chance. Don’t know if you’re interested in knowing where, or if you already know.
I'm only interested in the actual fragments I'm working from, which can be found in Diels. Anywhere else, don't really care
Fragment 115 seems to have multiple understandings. Is the Logos there in the DNA as a predisposition? Or is it something that can only be determined in retrospect as an unfolding of events leading up to the present state of Being?
I’d say neither.
Great video, learned a lot. Thank you.
You're welcome!
Thank you Dr. Sadler, great job
You’re welcome!
Can I say that the logos of the tree is in the seed?
You can say anything you like. But that would probably be wrong
Thank you 🙏
You're welcome
What's the difference from Logos and Hegel's dialectic?
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Thanks
You’re welcome
Regarding fragment 1, could you further elaborate on your conclusion(?) about it referring to logos?
Not likely in comments, no.
@@GregoryBSadler when curiosity takes over the keyboard late at night while focusing on the content. Not sure what I was expecting, I hope you found the request somewhat amusing. Great video, your channel looks interesting and I look forward to exploring it!
Today they call the Logos philosophy: "We are living in a Matrix!" or "We are living in a Simulation!"
Is that overall correct?
No. Just kooky
I've often read that in the translated works of Stoic texts, like Discourses, the word "reason" is used as the translation of the word "logos", is that true? If it is, how closely do you think our modern conception of using reason aligns with the ancient meaning behind logos?
I'd say there is no such thing as "our modern conception of using reason" any more than there is a single "ancient meaning behind logos". Both are terms with multiple meanings
@@GregoryBSadler Fair enough. But is "reason" a common word used to translate the word "logos" in the original Stoic texts?
@@Epicteetus You know it is
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In some narrow sense then, could it be said that the laws of physics are "a logos" ?
Sure
@@GregoryBSadler Thanks. I can see why the Logos (with a capital "L") was such a useful concept for the author of the 4th gospel (although I'm pretty sure he was talking about something more profound than the mechanical laws of physics). Thanks for this video. It really helped me :)
@@StephenMolloyGoogle There aren't capitals in the Greek text of the Gospel. And yes, John is talking about something different than what you are, and both are using the term logos differently than Heraclitus is. A word with many senses
@@GregoryBSadler Thanks for taking the time to reply.
In Chinese Bibles, Λόγος/Logos is translated to 道/Tao. You should read the Tao Te Ching if you haven’t already. It could give you a better understanding of Logos.
How... Did I get here?
No clue
via the telos, probably
So the Logos is essentially something that can be nothing or everything.
It's definitely not nothing to Heraclitus
@@GregoryBSadler Thank you for the reply, Professor. You work is a great guide for the interested laymen like myself. Greetings from Ukraine.
What is the word for thunder or lightning strike that they aren't sure how to translate?
Who’s “they”?
@@darillus1 There's zero point in you trying to provide a better translation
Am I right in thinking that the logos is something akin to jung's collective unconscious?
Probably not.
@@GregoryBSadler okay thank you 👍
@@GregoryBSadler great content by the way .👍
1:06 Polysemous ...(sp?)
Yep
John 1 oooh the mystery! I’ve seen the logos before I knew what it is….the beingness. Burning Bush that consumeth not. The triune, creator.
Nope. Different logos. It’s a term with lots of meanings and is used differently by different thinkers. It’s a mistake to conflate them
@@GregoryBSadler I admit that I made my comment before I watched this video…I enjoyed your work.
✨ ologies...
Those come later on, long past the time of Heraclitus
@@GregoryBSadler thank you...
Will listen again...
Much appreciated...