Nah. If it was just between Miller and Pettersson, we could chalk it up to a clash of personalities. But Miller had 2 incidents with Tocchet, and it's been suggested that Miller was asked to go on personal leave after the 2nd incident. Miller and Horvat also did not get along, which led to Horvat being traded. How many more beefs does Miller have to start before people realize that he is the problem?
The idea of this being on Pettersson is absolutely IDIOTIC. We have seen on camera JT Miller attack at least 4 of his teammates on ice DURING GAMES. "He has to own his part of this".... What part? What has Pettersson done to Miller? This is madness.. we have one player that has had issues ON EVERY TEAM HE HAS PLAYED ON WITH MULTIPLE PLAYERS. And yet here you are calling Pettersson the problem for Millers abusive and unprofessional behavior. Its honestly really sick. You are literally doing a character assassination on Pettersson.
It's also borderline xenophobic, i.e. "the soft Euro" angle. But yes, all signs points to Miller being an idiot who just can't stop himself from pestering teammates.
@@okyouknowwhatever Exactly.. I also don't think this 'rift' has anything to do with their play. They both have played at a high level together DURING THE RIFT. The entire forward groups offensive production is way down. He is somehow Defensively still elite yet not producing... Does JT Miller only affect his offence? THIS IS ABOUT HIS KNEE.
The only thing I could say is on Petey is maybe he didn’t speak up sooner…maybe he internalized his feelings too much in the beginning because he didn’t want to complain. But it’s obvious that Miller is the toxic bully who can’t help himself.
@ With all news that have come to light over the past month you should be able to piece together what the problem was and is. I'll give you a hint, it's not Miller, it is Pettersson. I'll explain if you want to know why.
Dallas has lost Tyler Seguin, Mason Marchment, Miro Heiskanen, and Roope Hintz for extended time this season, yet they are 5th or 6th in points. I have no idea what CJ is talking about with the criticism that Dallas hasn't hit its stride lol. Fewer teams are dealing with more significant injuries, yet they're still an elite team by almost every metric. I know he doesn't pay attention, but you could pull the standings up in 2 seconds if you wanted.
Exactly bro most these guys don't even pay attention to Dallas, they are an injured giant, if they get healthy make a trade or two other teams will be worried they are beating good teams with their entire 1st line except Matty out. And we may have lost Miro for a while. Dallas is a cup contender at the top with the best.
That's the point CJ is making, they're a team that should be competing for first in the West/potentially the President's trophy and right now they're not. Plus with Seguin out until at least April you could LTIR Seggy's $9.85 million and go get like a Rantanin or Panarin, take a big swing on a player with 1 or 2 years left on their deal and try a seize the cup
How is this at all about Pettersson when Miller's got a history of doing this to other players. Apparently he screamed at Lundqvist while in New York and was traded shortly (I think two days) thereafter. He was shipped out of Tampa and they went to three straight Cup finals. He banged his stick at Delia who hadn't been called to the bench by his coach. He was benched by his coach and promptly took a 1-month leave to cry about it. Even someone who says he likes Miller a lot, Brad Richardson, said he was too hard on Pettersson. All the signs (even Rutherford talking about something "going away but festering again") points to Miller being pathologically abusive.
Yeah sick of all the refards defending a known repeat offender and putting all the blame onto other's around him who calls out his bs. How they choose Milker for Horvat, their own team captain....is beyond me....cause they knew who he was before he came...
@@kevinalexander2951 What "fact," exactly? That Miller and Pettersson don't get along? Yea, that's really all we know. Why or who is ultimately the issue (if it's just one person) is all bullshit from you gossiping twits.
If Pettersson goes, what’s to say the players they get back will get along with Miller. This would be the second center the Canucks ship out because of Miller.
Moving on from Petterson is a MASSIVE mnistake. You guys talk about cap going up all the time but failed to consider it in this situation. Even if Petterson regresses and shakes out to be about a 72-85 point center: 1.) That's still great production. We've never dogpiled Kopitar or other elite centers when putting up 60ish point seasons. 2.) If the cap is really going up to what its projected to next season, then Pettersons current contract will be going market rate for an 80-ish point center anyway. 3.) He is NOT a generational talent. He's a star, sure. But I haven't seen anything from petterson to hold him to the same standard as players like Matthews, Draisaitl, Mcdavid, Etc. My expectation from petterson is about 85 points. I feel confident with his current cap hit that he will absolutely return to at least that form. Also, Miller is at the end of his career. He is 32. The average top end guy leaves the show around 37-38. He's got 1-2 years of elite production left and 2-4 of sub par production. You move Miller and keep Petterson and become bullish this offseason. What's the rush?
@HockeyTruther He's on pace for like 50 points. By the time that kind of production is worth 12 million per yr. it will be 2050 and Peterson will be the newly hired GM of the Canucks and hiring JT Miller as the coach cuz he's the kind of coach these entitled brats need to give them a kick in the ass! God I love the NHL!
@@chrisstorment1123 Do you believe he will be a 50 point player forever or do you think it is an off season. I Find it hard to believe that he won't play better in coming seasons
Pettersson: Grow up (find some responsibility and passion!) Miller: Grow down (find some humilty!) ... Together, they are one of the best 1-2 C's in the league, one of the best PP's in the league, and can make Hughes a MUCH happier camper, making him play EVEN better? Don't you both see this... ??
I guess Chris forgot all the times miller was a complete asshole over the last few years? Luke Schenn? Delia? I'd expect nothing less from Toronto media...
I was at Gretzky's last game in Toronto and he took a long victory lap after the game. It was definitely on everyone's mind that it could be his last game in Toronto but in that moment, it was very obvious that was it.
Between Nov. 5th-Dec. 6th, Pettersson had 22 pts in 17 games. He was a 1.29ppg player and on pace for 106 points before slowing down. The potential very much so is still there. And yes, this rise in production was during Miller’s leave.
Tanev is finally getting his flowers because he never played over 70 games in a season before 21-22. Tough to have his name in those conversations when he's missing at least 15-20% of his seasons the first 10+ years of his career.
The reason why he did that interview is it’s a win-win-win for him. 1. If they trade one for a bad return, they’ve already made their excuse and set expectations low. Not my fault. It was them. 2. If they don’t trade them and they continue to struggle, it’s on them, not the vision they had. We did our job and built this team, they’re just being babies. 3. They keep both they turn it around and play well, (which let’s be clear, isn’t completely out of the cards either) it’s going to be, this interview ‘ignited the fire,’ and Jim Rutherford is seen as a motivational genius. (As well as the big adult man in the room.) Any way it plays out, it benefits Jim Rutherford, that’s why he did it. He’s covering his bases.
Allvin and Rutherford's approach to Pettersson was never going to work long term, yet they gave him that huge contract extension anyway. And now they're going to fix that mistake by burning the house down. I think you're giving them way too much credit.
Miller wants to WIN at any cost. He demands more from his teammates. WOW WE LOVE THAT! Pettersson also wants to WIN but methodical and cerebral. Swedes are mostly more talent but don't show the emotion or passion and appear to just give up at times- its just another game to them.
If it's true that management abdicated their responsibility to performance manage a player to his teammates, it's absolutely no wonder this is as bad as it is. At the end of the day, this is an abject leadership failure and their entire front office and coaching staff should be fired.
insane takes on the vancouver lmao wasn't he injured end of last season and the playoffs? and if he's been being needled by teammates at the behest of management despite them knowing of "personality clashes" for literal years and has been separated from consistent high quality linemates this year, how does petterson need to "grow up" lmao when we can clearly figure the factors on his on ice performance
Yeah grow up and get along with the man child and how about you sports writers stop turning sports into soap operas. If it weren't for you drama queens it would be less of situation!
43:48 So It sounded like from my quick Google search on the situation the problem was since the NHL would've sold shirts and other merch with Yeti on it that was the sticking issue.
Idk why you'd have a brash guy like Miller try and break a low-key guy like Pettersson out of his shell. It's hard for me to put as much blame on Pettersson in this because we've already seen Miller fight with teammates on the ice and we've heard former teammates say that they didn't like playing with him. Of course, some love playing with him. Brock Boeser immediately comes to mind. If Pettersson "grew up," does that mean he confronts Miller? Does he have to match Miller's intensity? I don't feel like that would go well either lol.
I listen to almost every show boys so I’m a fan, but I gotta criticize that you haven’t discussed the Wings in weeks…and are unintentionally disregarding Detroit sports….. Since the Toddfather took over, they have the BEST record in the league, Best power play in the league, Raymond leads the league in points, Larkin in PPGs, Kasper is second in rookie points.m, and we’ve got octopi being thrown on the ice in WINS at Winnipeg, Florida, and Edmonton!!! Also, what about Miguel Cabrera’s farewell tour?!?! Prime baseball comparable for a player beloved like Flower, akin to Mariano Rivera but only two seasons ago. Just keeping you guys honest here. Keep up the good work. Love the show. - Zach from Hockeytown
Who said he's worth 11.6 ?? The only people that believe he's worth that cash are in the Canucks org!!! His contract goes to 27-28 and if a team trades for him, their going to be stuck with that size of contract. Why trade for him?? leave him in Canuckleland.
Mikko leaving the Avs hurts, to be sure. Bit of a gut punch seeing him in a Canes jersey, as a longtime Avs fan. But everything CJ said about his contract sounds about right. Who knows? Maybe if MacKinnon could have foreseen this he would have taken a little less in hopes of helping resign Mikko, but it's a moot point, now.
Wake up. Trader Jim was/is a playa. This guy is a master media manipulator. He is trying to sell the world on his Woe is Me dissertation on what is wrong with the team. I love how he name drops the most untradeable NHL player in Quinn Hughes. This is a master piece. This guy has a very good athletic ability (i watched him as a kid, he was above average goal tender) and a way better intellect in which to use to gain an advantage over his opponent trade manager. I appreciate his high intellect and gamesmanship.
I want someone who knows how to get the stats on this . This player has the most offensive zone giveaways via a blind backhand pass ( many on the power play) leading to a breakaway or odd man rush against . By a wide margin in the last 3 years . Like he may be responsible for over 80 percent of them ?
I got the solution for Vancouver. Send Elias and JT to couples therapy to work out their problems haha or the team could have an intervention and work it all out as a team lol lets go boys.
Everyonr keeps talking about petterssons potential, but his best seasons was 39 goals 102 points. Millers best season was last year with 37 goals 103 points. And miller makes 8 mil to peteys 11.6. Both guys have baggage at this point, but miller is way better value
You might have missed it in the Gary Mason article but Jim Rutherford did mention Quinn Hughes and his future. The problem with trading Miller and Pettersson is the probability that you also trade Boeser and Demko. This results in an obvious rebuild. Rutherford made it clear that if the Canucks do end up rebuilding, Hughes will be leaving in 2027.
I'm confused by this argument people keep making about the Avalanche not resigning Rantanen because they didn't want a future after they have to sign Makar where they have 3 players making over 12 million. If that is the case, then why wouldn't they just sign Rantanen now, and then when it comes time to sign Makar for 2027 season, they then can trade a signed Rantanen for a BOAT LOAD of assets coming back. Seems smarter to me. But maybe I am missing something.
bim jennings signed louie erikkson for 6 x 6 (worst contract ever)...*until he traded for/took on bloated contract of OEL (even worse - canucks still paying for that buyout for 3 more yrs
People forget Miller chased away Horvat. Canucks flipped it. Now EP can play without a toxic teammate. It was over after Toch incident. Watch EP pick up his balls and get it done.
Pettersson was a huge contract swing and a miss....he was NEVER going to be an 11 million player.... Nylander on the other hand IS and is showing it nightly
Why is it always one or the other? Miller needs to learn how to be a leader and keep his temper in check. Petterson needs to stop being a child. You want someone to get off your back? Stand up, tell Miller to eff off, and play harder(whether that's getting points or a strong defensive game). Both of them need to stop being children. When they were buzzing last year, those two guys were deadly together. And the team flourished. Grow up, shake hands, agree to disagree, build a bridge, and get the eff over it.
this isn't like one day miller and petie had a blow out and petie's game has tanked and is unretrievable. this has been going on for 4+ seasons and 1 year ago it finally got into his head. to the point where he isn't thinking offence and skating. there's 20 voices talking to him and he needs to get away from this situation.
His play has nothing to do with JT Miller. He isn't thinking offence.. but somehow is thinking defense? He has a knee issue which is affecting his skating speed.. thats the issue
I LIKE Mikko Rantanen. Within the last 6 seasons (including this one) he has scored 140 fewer points and 50 fewer goals than Leon Draisaitl. He was outscored by Draisaitl 5 times, with the 6th time waiting around the corner this season. Draisaitl is a centre. I REALLY LIKE Mikko Rantanen, but he is NOT Draisaitl and his numbers - as fantastic as they are - have been significantly lower than Draisaitl's every single season...
So this is odd as IM seeing a lot of the professional reporters etc (ur CJ ur Overdrive etc) support the Rutherford comments but the amateur hockey YTs (Steve Dangle The Hockey guy etc) being like "WTF Jim? Stop making the situation worse!"
Utah HC is the worst option. there is no branding and marketing options there. HC is common in other leagues and sports but it is not in North America or the NHL. So really its Mammoth or Wasatch...wasatch is too obscure..so its mammoth.
great pod, I love Spicy C'j not giving Pettersson off the hook for his play. Julian though... Jack Eichel comparison to Pete? i don't think so one bit. You're both so off base voting for the Hockey Club, such an L name. with all that, will still listen again.
The real problem here is not Petersson or JT Miller it is the weak management who let this problem go so far.. Any competent management structure would have nailed this problem in the bud ... Been there done that
@@sdpn Yeah, keep pushing the "Petey is a soft Euro who needs to grow up" angle, it's not like Miller's got a track record of being an abusive a-hole. 🙄
With Rantanen, it sounds like he was ready to take, like, 14M, which is probably less than he could have gotten in free agency from Utah, Chicago, or Buffalo.
Why would he do that? He has Edmonton and likely other competitive teams like Toronto calling. I would imagine he wants not only a guaranteed spot in the line up but also a winning atmosphere.
@@BangHeadShotDed I never said they were going to win the cup, you wet napkin. They are currently second in their division and just one point out of first, so it's totally sensible to say they are in the mix, at the very least. What is wrong with you?
It’s not just between Petterson and Miller. Leadership, from Rutherford to coaches have failed these two players. Also, why are you giving Rutherford a pass? JR didn’t exactly solve a problem when he walked out on the Pens with no notice. That doesn’t exactly scream maturity. Leadership shouldn’t be talking publicly about their players. Not cool.
In the past there have been dudes that slept with another players wife or gf and the team moves the guy , OR the guys come to blows and it tears the dressing room apart.. how has this lingered this long regardless of whatever happened?! Poorly managed that it's at this point.
Trade the Lion keep the sheep. The heart and soul of magical run last year traded away and we keep the the docile, win or lose doesn't matter type of players.
Such a BS conversation. No one in their right mind can say that both are at fault when you have no idea what the backstory could even possibly be. Let's say someone rapes you and all anyone on the outside knows that there's some animosity between you. Should you now take responsibility that it's equally your fault?
Draisaitl drove up the price and 2025 UFAs will command big money. Petey makes GMs put in their 2028 glasses, and look ahead to how long to extend players for.
honestly if Elias ends up in Buffalo its the biggest F u you're the problem Vancouver can send. Its ur fault we're in this situation because u refuse to do what we ask and flipped out on a senior player when pushed. So we're sending u to the the new Arizona Coyotes. Mind u they'd have to do this before July 1 to avoid his no move no trade thing but I think they will trade Elias before July.
I feel it’s JT Miller saying “look you’re making $11.6M, play like an 11.6M player. I’m making $8M play better.” And Pettersson is soft skinned and it’s a riff. Big brother holding young guy to a higher standard that he’s not living up to it.
Miller isn't someone who can tell people what to do when he himself quit on plays and makes many mistakes that cost the team games. Even when things aren't going well for him, at least he plays defense.
I get both statement but last 6 seasons Miller has been a point per game player making $8M. Since Petersson signed his big ticket he’s only accumulated 46 points (16G 30A) in 64 games. That’s not an $11.6M player. That’s maybe a $5-6M player. None of us are in the Lockeroom but it seems when we’ve seen from JT like last year with the stick banging to DeSmith to leave the net, he’s an ultra ultra competitive and may take it too a little too far. And when a player who’s not playing up to his contact and making more than him it might bother him that he’s not producing.
@@trentbean5932 each player on the team has gotten where they are on their own merit. And each player has a contract they themselves have negotiated that is market based....including Milker. If its jealousy, its on him and dont look good. The thing is that nobody respects him as a person when he has his sissy fits every now and again. Didnt he headbutt with Tocchet even not too long ago when he took a month off...?! The guy has a history that never ends....fans from his previous clubs did waive the red flag to be honest....but management still ditched their own team captain for this toxic substances....and now we sit here with an uncertain future for the core of the team....Hughes, Pettersson and Demko. Those are the guy's Nucks bet their future on, not Milker.
Two points: EP is clearly childish and can’t handle a dominate personality in the room like Miller. The weird thing is that Miller is arguably the same skill level as EP. He’s not some bum who is a lunch box type player on the third line who is trying to push a 100 point scorer. I think EP would have been moved already if he were making 9 but 11.5 is a big ask. You keep guys like Miller if you plan on winning. Second point, the comparison between Toronto and an AVS team with a signed Rantanen doesn’t make a lot of sense. With the cap quickly approaching 90 mill and possibly 100 in two or three years, getting MacK, Rant and Makar signed for a combine 38-40 mill is a steal. Sure if you can get Necas signed long term for cheap it’s an OK deal but he’s gonna want 9.5 mill + long term, so the savings is that great just to give up a guy in Rant who is a top five offensive player in this league. The Leafs gave away years of contending windows by bending over and giving all of their RFAs too much money. It’s comparable to Edmonton trading Draisaitl for someone like Tage Thompson because it saves them some space but what are you sacrificing? Amazing chemistry with your best player so that you can possibly add a depth piece in the future. Shortsighted.
The issue with the miller-petey situation is age and contract. I think coaches prefer miller too, however, miller is a lot older. If you trade one of them that means they’re essential retooling for at least a year or two, by that time miller is 34 years old, declining and still making 8 mil. Then you’d probably still need a first line center. Keeping petey, he’d be in his prime and you’d be betting on him getting out of his slump.
Not appreciating a bully at work makes you "childish". Was Luke Shcenn childish when he almost fought Miller during a game? Was Henrik Lundquist "childish" when Miller got traded for going after him on the ice during a game. None of Miler's teams have kept him. Millers teams have traded him and got better.
Canucks fans have too high opinion of what the team is in my opinion, they are what they are. Maybe if everyone over preformed they'd be where they want to be but who banks on that every year?
Nah. If it was just between Miller and Pettersson, we could chalk it up to a clash of personalities. But Miller had 2 incidents with Tocchet, and it's been suggested that Miller was asked to go on personal leave after the 2nd incident. Miller and Horvat also did not get along, which led to Horvat being traded. How many more beefs does Miller have to start before people realize that he is the problem?
The idea of this being on Pettersson is absolutely IDIOTIC. We have seen on camera JT Miller attack at least 4 of his teammates on ice DURING GAMES.
"He has to own his part of this".... What part? What has Pettersson done to Miller?
This is madness.. we have one player that has had issues ON EVERY TEAM HE HAS PLAYED ON WITH MULTIPLE PLAYERS. And yet here you are calling Pettersson the problem for Millers abusive and unprofessional behavior. Its honestly really sick. You are literally doing a character assassination on Pettersson.
It's also borderline xenophobic, i.e. "the soft Euro" angle. But yes, all signs points to Miller being an idiot who just can't stop himself from pestering teammates.
@@okyouknowwhatever Exactly.. I also don't think this 'rift' has anything to do with their play. They both have played at a high level together DURING THE RIFT. The entire forward groups offensive production is way down. He is somehow Defensively still elite yet not producing... Does JT Miller only affect his offence? THIS IS ABOUT HIS KNEE.
The only thing I could say is on Petey is maybe he didn’t speak up sooner…maybe he internalized his feelings too much in the beginning because he didn’t want to complain. But it’s obvious that Miller is the toxic bully who can’t help himself.
@ With all news that have come to light over the past month you should be able to piece together what the problem was and is. I'll give you a hint, it's not Miller, it is Pettersson. I'll explain if you want to know why.
It sounds like they're going with the 'good ol boy from the US/Canada' rather than the "soft swede". echoes of Don Cherry from these two
Dallas has lost Tyler Seguin, Mason Marchment, Miro Heiskanen, and Roope Hintz for extended time this season, yet they are 5th or 6th in points. I have no idea what CJ is talking about with the criticism that Dallas hasn't hit its stride lol.
Fewer teams are dealing with more significant injuries, yet they're still an elite team by almost every metric. I know he doesn't pay attention, but you could pull the standings up in 2 seconds if you wanted.
Exactly bro most these guys don't even pay attention to Dallas, they are an injured giant, if they get healthy make a trade or two other teams will be worried they are beating good teams with their entire 1st line except Matty out. And we may have lost Miro for a while. Dallas is a cup contender at the top with the best.
That's the point CJ is making, they're a team that should be competing for first in the West/potentially the President's trophy and right now they're not. Plus with Seguin out until at least April you could LTIR Seggy's $9.85 million and go get like a Rantanin or Panarin, take a big swing on a player with 1 or 2 years left on their deal and try a seize the cup
@ulmwilliams57 I hope they do bro they need a forward and now with Miro probably out for a long time a good dman.
The Leafs have lost more man games than Dallas....and they are still 1st in their division nearly all season. NO EXCUSES Dallas fan 😂
@MySundin13 and y'all's division blows so what the west is stacked lol who even brought up Toronto??
How is this at all about Pettersson when Miller's got a history of doing this to other players. Apparently he screamed at Lundqvist while in New York and was traded shortly (I think two days) thereafter. He was shipped out of Tampa and they went to three straight Cup finals. He banged his stick at Delia who hadn't been called to the bench by his coach. He was benched by his coach and promptly took a 1-month leave to cry about it. Even someone who says he likes Miller a lot, Brad Richardson, said he was too hard on Pettersson. All the signs (even Rutherford talking about something "going away but festering again") points to Miller being pathologically abusive.
I understand the impulse to speculate but this is worse than the kind of crap you'd read in the cheapest gossip magazine.
He also screamed at Lankinen to go to the bench this year while Lankinen was staring at Tocchet to wave him to the bench. Miller got to go .
Yeah sick of all the refards defending a known repeat offender and putting all the blame onto other's around him who calls out his bs.
How they choose Milker for Horvat, their own team captain....is beyond me....cause they knew who he was before he came...
@@charleybarley7148how’s it speculating when all the past things he mentioned have basically come out as fact lol
@@kevinalexander2951 What "fact," exactly? That Miller and Pettersson don't get along? Yea, that's really all we know. Why or who is ultimately the issue (if it's just one person) is all bullshit from you gossiping twits.
If Pettersson goes, what’s to say the players they get back will get along with Miller. This would be the second center the Canucks ship out because of Miller.
Why does no one talk about Petterssons Tendonitis, it has affected his foot speed and the data backs this up.
Pretty sure his wrist is damaged too. His stick handling and shot have looked inept.
Well tendinitis doesn't heal. So I guess he's cooked.
Huh???@@chrisstorment1123
@ it can heal, with rest. But it can also recur.
(This is a joke) I wonder if he’s tried to take ibuprofen and drink water
Moving on from Petterson is a MASSIVE mnistake. You guys talk about cap going up all the time but failed to consider it in this situation.
Even if Petterson regresses and shakes out to be about a 72-85 point center:
1.) That's still great production. We've never dogpiled Kopitar or other elite centers when putting up 60ish point seasons.
2.) If the cap is really going up to what its projected to next season, then Pettersons current contract will be going market rate for an 80-ish point center anyway.
3.) He is NOT a generational talent. He's a star, sure. But I haven't seen anything from petterson to hold him to the same standard as players like Matthews, Draisaitl, Mcdavid, Etc.
My expectation from petterson is about 85 points. I feel confident with his current cap hit that he will absolutely return to at least that form.
Also, Miller is at the end of his career. He is 32. The average top end guy leaves the show around 37-38. He's got 1-2 years of elite production left and 2-4 of sub par production. You move Miller and keep Petterson and become bullish this offseason. What's the rush?
@HockeyTruther
He's on pace for like 50 points. By the time that kind of production is worth 12 million per yr. it will be 2050 and Peterson will be the newly hired GM of the Canucks and hiring JT Miller as the coach cuz he's the kind of coach these entitled brats need to give them a kick in the ass! God I love the NHL!
@@chrisstorment1123 Do you believe he will be a 50 point player forever or do you think it is an off season. I Find it hard to believe that he won't play better in coming seasons
@nilswedman9818 yup. I think he'll pull outta this funk. But Tochet has to go.
Pettersson: Grow up (find some responsibility and passion!) Miller: Grow down (find some humilty!) ... Together, they are one of the best 1-2 C's in the league, one of the best PP's in the league, and can make Hughes a MUCH happier camper, making him play EVEN better? Don't you both see this... ??
Sabres should make the trade.
I guess Chris forgot all the times miller was a complete asshole over the last few years? Luke Schenn? Delia?
I'd expect nothing less from Toronto media...
I was at Gretzky's last game in Toronto and he took a long victory lap after the game. It was definitely on everyone's mind that it could be his last game in Toronto but in that moment, it was very obvious that was it.
Between Nov. 5th-Dec. 6th, Pettersson had 22 pts in 17 games. He was a 1.29ppg player and on pace for 106 points before slowing down. The potential very much so is still there. And yes, this rise in production was during Miller’s leave.
Utah Samsquanch. Bubbles might have to be consulted for the trademark lol.
Tanev is finally getting his flowers because he never played over 70 games in a season before 21-22. Tough to have his name in those conversations when he's missing at least 15-20% of his seasons the first 10+ years of his career.
The reason why he did that interview is it’s a win-win-win for him.
1. If they trade one for a bad return, they’ve already made their excuse and set expectations low. Not my fault. It was them.
2. If they don’t trade them and they continue to struggle, it’s on them, not the vision they had. We did our job and built this team, they’re just being babies.
3. They keep both they turn it around and play well, (which let’s be clear, isn’t completely out of the cards either) it’s going to be, this interview ‘ignited the fire,’ and Jim Rutherford is seen as a motivational genius. (As well as the big adult man in the room.)
Any way it plays out, it benefits Jim Rutherford, that’s why he did it. He’s covering his bases.
You're not wrong, and it's pretty brilliant.
Great for him, BS for us. But Petey isn't going anywhere IMO - Miller will be gone.
Allvin and Rutherford's approach to Pettersson was never going to work long term, yet they gave him that huge contract extension anyway. And now they're going to fix that mistake by burning the house down. I think you're giving them way too much credit.
But it still screams mismanagement, does it not?
Keep these late morning uploads coming!!
Miller wants to WIN at any cost. He demands more from his teammates. WOW WE LOVE THAT! Pettersson also wants to WIN but methodical and cerebral. Swedes are mostly more talent but don't show the emotion or passion and appear to just give up at times- its just another game to them.
If it's true that management abdicated their responsibility to performance manage a player to his teammates, it's absolutely no wonder this is as bad as it is. At the end of the day, this is an abject leadership failure and their entire front office and coaching staff should be fired.
insane takes on the vancouver lmao
wasn't he injured end of last season and the playoffs? and if he's been being needled by teammates at the behest of management despite them knowing of "personality clashes" for literal years and has been separated from consistent high quality linemates this year, how does petterson need to "grow up" lmao when we can clearly figure the factors on his on ice performance
Julien good call on keeping the phone ready for Friday night madness haha
Get petey off this toxic fanbase and market. Ill gladly see him flourish in a smaller market.
Yeah grow up and get along with the man child and how about you sports writers stop turning sports into soap operas. If it weren't for you drama queens it would be less of situation!
43:48 So It sounded like from my quick Google search on the situation the problem was since the NHL would've sold shirts and other merch with Yeti on it that was the sticking issue.
Idk why you'd have a brash guy like Miller try and break a low-key guy like Pettersson out of his shell. It's hard for me to put as much blame on Pettersson in this because we've already seen Miller fight with teammates on the ice and we've heard former teammates say that they didn't like playing with him. Of course, some love playing with him. Brock Boeser immediately comes to mind. If Pettersson "grew up," does that mean he confronts Miller? Does he have to match Miller's intensity? I don't feel like that would go well either lol.
I listen to almost every show boys so I’m a fan, but I gotta criticize that you haven’t discussed the Wings in weeks…and are unintentionally disregarding Detroit sports…..
Since the Toddfather took over, they have the BEST record in the league, Best power play in the league, Raymond leads the league in points, Larkin in PPGs, Kasper is second in rookie points.m, and we’ve got octopi being thrown on the ice in WINS at Winnipeg, Florida, and Edmonton!!!
Also, what about Miguel Cabrera’s farewell tour?!?! Prime baseball comparable for a player beloved like Flower, akin to Mariano Rivera but only two seasons ago.
Just keeping you guys honest here. Keep up the good work. Love the show.
- Zach from Hockeytown
If a player has underperformed 11.6 million you trade him
As an outside fan, I can say what's happening in Vancouver... Couldn't be happening to a more deserving fan base.
This Just in as well. Marc Andre Fleury POSTS A SHUTOUT IN HIS LAST GAME IN MONTREAL! NOW THAT'S HOW A LEGEND GOES OUT!
Who said he's worth 11.6 ?? The only people that believe he's worth that cash are in the Canucks org!!! His contract goes to 27-28 and if a team trades for him, their going to be stuck with that size of contract. Why trade for him?? leave him in Canuckleland.
Petersson’s a pissy baby.
Mikko leaving the Avs hurts, to be sure. Bit of a gut punch seeing him in a Canes jersey, as a longtime Avs fan.
But everything CJ said about his contract sounds about right.
Who knows? Maybe if MacKinnon could have foreseen this he would have taken a little less in hopes of helping resign Mikko, but it's a moot point, now.
Wake up. Trader Jim was/is a playa. This guy is a master media manipulator. He is trying to sell the world on his Woe is Me dissertation on what is wrong with the team. I love how he name drops the most untradeable NHL player in Quinn Hughes. This is a master piece. This guy has a very good athletic ability (i watched him as a kid, he was above average goal tender) and a way better intellect in which to use to gain an advantage over his opponent trade manager. I appreciate his high intellect and gamesmanship.
Do you think one of Petey or Miller will be traded by the deadline? 🤔
No
Nobody in the media says that miller is a bully and Pederson is a wimp
I want someone who knows how to get the stats on this .
This player has the most offensive zone giveaways via a blind backhand pass ( many on the power play) leading to a breakaway or odd man rush against . By a wide margin in the last 3 years . Like he may be responsible for over 80 percent of them ?
I got the solution for Vancouver. Send Elias and JT to couples therapy to work out their problems haha or the team could have an intervention and work it all out as a team lol lets go boys.
Everyonr keeps talking about petterssons potential, but his best seasons was 39 goals 102 points. Millers best season was last year with 37 goals 103 points. And miller makes 8 mil to peteys 11.6. Both guys have baggage at this point, but miller is way better value
You might have missed it in the Gary Mason article but Jim Rutherford did mention Quinn Hughes and his future. The problem with trading Miller and Pettersson is the probability that you also trade Boeser and Demko. This results in an obvious rebuild. Rutherford made it clear that if the Canucks do end up rebuilding, Hughes will be leaving in 2027.
Depends what you get back.
That headline is rich coming from sdp😅😂
I'm confused by this argument people keep making about the Avalanche not resigning Rantanen because they didn't want a future after they have to sign Makar where they have 3 players making over 12 million. If that is the case, then why wouldn't they just sign Rantanen now, and then when it comes time to sign Makar for 2027 season, they then can trade a signed Rantanen for a BOAT LOAD of assets coming back. Seems smarter to me. But maybe I am missing something.
This situation needs Bim Jenning.
bim jennings signed louie erikkson for 6 x 6 (worst contract ever)...*until he traded for/took on bloated contract of OEL (even worse - canucks still paying for that buyout for 3 more yrs
People forget Miller chased away Horvat. Canucks flipped it. Now EP can play without a toxic teammate. It was over after Toch incident.
Watch EP pick up his balls and get it done.
Pettersson was a huge contract swing and a miss....he was NEVER going to be an 11 million player.... Nylander on the other hand IS and is showing it nightly
Time for the GM to sit JT in the press box and leave him there until his contract expires.
Where have folks like the Sedins been during this fiasco? You think they would step up or step in and help.
Why is it always one or the other?
Miller needs to learn how to be a leader and keep his temper in check.
Petterson needs to stop being a child. You want someone to get off your back? Stand up, tell Miller to eff off, and play harder(whether that's getting points or a strong defensive game).
Both of them need to stop being children. When they were buzzing last year, those two guys were deadly together. And the team flourished.
Grow up, shake hands, agree to disagree, build a bridge, and get the eff over it.
I feel like pretty much everything has gone Mahomes way.
this isn't like one day miller and petie had a blow out and petie's game has tanked and is unretrievable. this has been going on for 4+ seasons and 1 year ago it finally got into his head. to the point where he isn't thinking offence and skating. there's 20 voices talking to him and he needs to get away from this situation.
His play has nothing to do with JT Miller. He isn't thinking offence.. but somehow is thinking defense? He has a knee issue which is affecting his skating speed.. thats the issue
is he healthy elias?(however) u spell his name
I LIKE Mikko Rantanen.
Within the last 6 seasons (including this one) he has scored 140 fewer points and 50 fewer goals than Leon Draisaitl. He was outscored by Draisaitl 5 times, with the 6th time waiting around the corner this season.
Draisaitl is a centre.
I REALLY LIKE Mikko Rantanen, but he is NOT Draisaitl and his numbers - as fantastic as they are - have been significantly lower than Draisaitl's every single season...
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So this is odd as IM seeing a lot of the professional reporters etc (ur CJ ur Overdrive etc) support the Rutherford comments but the amateur hockey YTs (Steve Dangle The Hockey guy etc) being like "WTF Jim? Stop making the situation worse!"
CJ would you tolerate workplace bullying in any other field and say "Grow up. You're gettig paid well."
Utah HC is the worst option. there is no branding and marketing options there. HC is common in other leagues and sports but it is not in North America or the NHL. So really its Mammoth or Wasatch...wasatch is too obscure..so its mammoth.
HC sounds better. Those sound tacky.
great pod, I love Spicy C'j not giving Pettersson off the hook for his play. Julian though... Jack Eichel comparison to Pete? i don't think so one bit.
You're both so off base voting for the Hockey Club, such an L name.
with all that, will still listen again.
Marleau and Thornton both went on retirement tours, I feel like Chara did too?
Team canada needs to change to goal from " not losing" to going out to win, every game
The real problem here is not Petersson or JT Miller it is the weak management who let this problem go so far.. Any competent management structure would have nailed this problem in the bud ... Been there done that
The man that shoots all of his videos from a 7 y/o boys bedroom is telling an nhler to grow up LMAO
Hey smart guy, this isn't a Steve video.
@@sdpn Yeah, keep pushing the "Petey is a soft Euro who needs to grow up" angle, it's not like Miller's got a track record of being an abusive a-hole. 🙄
@@okyouknowwhatever Why are you gossiping like a teenager? It's embarrassing.
@@okyouknowwhatever Definately agree with you
With Rantanen, it sounds like he was ready to take, like, 14M, which is probably less than he could have gotten in free agency from Utah, Chicago, or Buffalo.
Saad to the AVS???
Saad to Pittsburgh? Do you think he would be willing to sign ?
Hearing he has meetings with Stan Bowman Oilers GM.
Why would he do that? He has Edmonton and likely other competitive teams like Toronto calling. I would imagine he wants not only a guaranteed spot in the line up but also a winning atmosphere.
@@charleybarley7148 competitive teams like Toronto🤣🤣😂 you must be new.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@BangHeadShotDed I never said they were going to win the cup, you wet napkin. They are currently second in their division and just one point out of first, so it's totally sensible to say they are in the mix, at the very least. What is wrong with you?
@ yeah they have a shot at the cup lol welcome to the nhl.
Hughes has come out and said if they both go and this turns into a rebuild he will demand out
Sources?
SJSharkie truthers 🙏🙏
I would take Pettersson on my team 100000000 million times over Miller.
The Petterson Miller Show
It’s not just between Petterson and Miller. Leadership, from Rutherford to coaches have failed these two players. Also, why are you giving Rutherford a pass? JR didn’t exactly solve a problem when he walked out on the Pens with no notice. That doesn’t exactly scream maturity. Leadership shouldn’t be talking publicly about their players. Not cool.
In the past there have been dudes that slept with another players wife or gf and the team moves the guy , OR the guys come to blows and it tears the dressing room apart.. how has this lingered this long regardless of whatever happened?! Poorly managed that it's at this point.
Trade the Lion keep the sheep. The heart and soul of magical run last year traded away and we keep the the docile, win or lose doesn't matter type of players.
Such a BS conversation. No one in their right mind can say that both are at fault when you have no idea what the backstory could even possibly be.
Let's say someone rapes you and all anyone on the outside knows that there's some animosity between you. Should you now take responsibility that it's equally your fault?
EP 40 Is single-handedly driving down potential earning power for all ufa's.
Draisaitl drove up the price and 2025 UFAs will command big money. Petey makes GMs put in their 2028 glasses, and look ahead to how long to extend players for.
@@bht824 word.
A little too much hate on Pettersson. Miller is a proven bully.
honestly if Elias ends up in Buffalo its the biggest F u you're the problem Vancouver can send. Its ur fault we're in this situation because u refuse to do what we ask and flipped out on a senior player when pushed. So we're sending u to the the new Arizona Coyotes. Mind u they'd have to do this before July 1 to avoid his no move no trade thing but I think they will trade Elias before July.
If Buffalo pulls this trade off, I’d would consider this disaster of a season a success (yes call me crazy).
We'll give you Henri Jokiharju and Peyton Krebs plus Canucks retain 25% of Petes cap and we have a deal thank you for your business good day.
@ Deal
lol seems recently everything goes mahones way
I feel it’s JT Miller saying “look you’re making $11.6M, play like an 11.6M player. I’m making $8M play better.” And Pettersson is soft skinned and it’s a riff. Big brother holding young guy to a higher standard that he’s not living up to it.
Miller isn't someone who can tell people what to do when he himself quit on plays and makes many mistakes that cost the team games. Even when things aren't going well for him, at least he plays defense.
More like Milker trying to be that older, cringe mentor guy nobody likes...but instead ending up showing his true selfe when no one pays him attention
I get both statement but last 6 seasons Miller has been a point per game player making $8M.
Since Petersson signed his big ticket he’s only accumulated 46 points (16G 30A) in 64 games. That’s not an $11.6M player. That’s maybe a $5-6M player. None of us are in the Lockeroom but it seems when we’ve seen from JT like last year with the stick banging to DeSmith to leave the net, he’s an ultra ultra competitive and may take it too a little too far. And when a player who’s not playing up to his contact and making more than him it might bother him that he’s not producing.
@@trentbean5932 each player on the team has gotten where they are on their own merit. And each player has a contract they themselves have negotiated that is market based....including Milker.
If its jealousy, its on him and dont look good.
The thing is that nobody respects him as a person when he has his sissy fits every now and again.
Didnt he headbutt with Tocchet even not too long ago when he took a month off...?!
The guy has a history that never ends....fans from his previous clubs did waive the red flag to be honest....but management still ditched their own team captain for this toxic substances....and now we sit here with an uncertain future for the core of the team....Hughes, Pettersson and Demko.
Those are the guy's Nucks bet their future on, not Milker.
This thing has been going on since Travis Green's and Dim Jim Benning's days. It's got nothing to do with how much money someone makes.
Time to grow up says the guys talking about the same stuff from 3 weeks ago. Should do your own homework instead of copying off of others.
EP 40 playing hurt? He probably tore something signing that contract. You get the money , no excuses perform, that's what the money is for
the german jersey on the thumbnail confused me a little, but ok
It’s a throwback “Flying V” Canucks jersey!
@@nathanbulla1 Yeah I know, we just had a big loss in german hockey
@@fatguy_mike fair enough
Two points: EP is clearly childish and can’t handle a dominate personality in the room like Miller. The weird thing is that Miller is arguably the same skill level as EP. He’s not some bum who is a lunch box type player on the third line who is trying to push a 100 point scorer. I think EP would have been moved already if he were making 9 but 11.5 is a big ask. You keep guys like Miller if you plan on winning.
Second point, the comparison between Toronto and an AVS team with a signed Rantanen doesn’t make a lot of sense. With the cap quickly approaching 90 mill and possibly 100 in two or three years, getting MacK, Rant and Makar signed for a combine 38-40 mill is a steal. Sure if you can get Necas signed long term for cheap it’s an OK deal but he’s gonna want 9.5 mill + long term, so the savings is that great just to give up a guy in Rant who is a top five offensive player in this league.
The Leafs gave away years of contending windows by bending over and giving all of their RFAs too much money. It’s comparable to Edmonton trading Draisaitl for someone like Tage Thompson because it saves them some space but what are you sacrificing? Amazing chemistry with your best player so that you can possibly add a depth piece in the future. Shortsighted.
The issue with the miller-petey situation is age and contract. I think coaches prefer miller too, however, miller is a lot older. If you trade one of them that means they’re essential retooling for at least a year or two, by that time miller is 34 years old, declining and still making 8 mil. Then you’d probably still need a first line center. Keeping petey, he’d be in his prime and you’d be betting on him getting out of his slump.
Not appreciating a bully at work makes you "childish". Was Luke Shcenn childish when he almost fought Miller during a game? Was Henrik Lundquist "childish" when Miller got traded for going after him on the ice during a game. None of Miler's teams have kept him. Millers teams have traded him and got better.
Is he "clearly" childish? Based on what? Internet rumors from professional gossip slingers? Lmao.
😂same skill level...lmfo
Just that statement shows the rest is just pile of 💩
Canucks fans are putting all the blame on Miller and making every excuse they possibly can for Petey. I don't like Canucks fans and I'm a Canucks fan.
Canucks fans have too high opinion of what the team is in my opinion, they are what they are. Maybe if everyone over preformed they'd be where they want to be but who banks on that every year?
cus its millers had beef with horvat too. what if huggy bear is next?
@@drumagus2258 too bad they didn't just keep him, I liked horvat
As an outsider, Miller does seem like a locker room cancer tho.
Are you kidding, most fans are blaming Petey.
This is b*******I agree they both need to grow up!