What Happened To James Wiseman?
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- James Wiseman was the 2nd pick by the Golden State Warriors in 2020 but has failed to live up to his expectations. After three frustrating years for a contending team, James was traded to the Detroit Pistons. However, receiving more playing time did not suddenly make him a better player. He continues to struggle defensively, lacks screening and communication skills, and possesses a low basketball IQ. These crucial basketball features are simply lacking in James Wiseman's game. Overall, the situation is quite challenging for him.
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“They will be trying to win with Monty Williams”
Didn’t age well
warriors fan here. super disappointed he didnt work out but was never happier when we finally rraded him lol
Warriors ruined his progression, killed his confidence, and drafted a backup center with the #2 pick… Should never have drafted him there in the first place
@@uriahh6931 yea were trash at drafting look at every pick weve had excluding the major 3 since the new regime took over. stop being a hater
@@uriahh6931 "die - uriah" =diarrhea lolol
@@uriahh6931he didn’t have any collage experience and was injury prone and currently it’s t working out in Detroit so warriors are not to blame
As a warriors fan.. im annoyed they didnt take melo for future trades... he has way more trade value ..
'Be patient' is a very interesting thing with these young guys. They have 4 years on rookie contract and then they want an extention. And if you have put your trust in a wrong guy - then you are stuck with large contract that is crutial for your team and hurting the team in general. Here comes the question - how patient you must be after 3 years, really? I am not talking about Wiseman only
This is why the G League exists.
Patience is ok if they show flashes or stretches of consistency. Wiseman has looked absolutely horrible and does not deserve patience unless he can prove otherwise
You do a great job with these dude, been watching a lot and it's cool to see you're getting traction. Be selective about what you choose to make videos on because momentum's harder to gain than to lose, but seems like you got this down man.
Big props
Nice video, I’d love to see a more in depth breakdown of each member of this young core.
This would be great 👍🏽
I' m a warriors fan and still hoping james become what he should be with all his natural talent, and giving a pass because he didnt play that much , hope detroit is capable to help him given theyre have no pressure to be good right away, that he learns to set those damn screens , and improve that defense , his agent has to speak 100% clear with him and get him help in this offseason, maybe this is his last chance before going out of the league...
At this point we can confidently say what he "should be" was never accurate at all. Bball IQ and game feel are just as much part of talent as size and athleticism but people completely ignore that. His complete lack of iq and game feel heavily limits his ceiling which is looking more and more like just a decent backup. But even reaching that will be difficult
@leonangelarevalo2596 - Typical HISPANIC RACIST.
Wiseman's agent better get him help. Clearly implying he has Mental Health issues.
ABSURD. AND PURE HATE.
A guy becomes a MULTI-MILLIONAIRE before he can legally buy alcohol, but because he can't beat out a guy that's been with the team OVER HALF A DECADE (6 SEASONS), HE NEEDS "HELP".
PURE HATE.
A 7FTR LIKE WISEMAN IS PROJECTED TO HAVE A TWENTY YEAR CAREER.
@leonangelarevalo2596 - There is no such thing as "NATURAL TALENT" in BASKETBALL.
"Natural Talent" is WHITE SUPREMACIST CODE for, " HE DIDN'T WORK TO GET WHERE HE IS."
"Black people have to be TEN TIMES BETTER just to be considered COMPETENT.", it has been said.
WHY? HATERS LIKE YOU.
NO ONE SPRINTS OUT OF THE WOMB.
James Wiseman has all the physical gifts necessary to be a phenomenal basketball player. Unfortunately, he still lacks the basketball IQ, experience, and mindset to deliver on all of that potential. Maybe he figures it out? However, at this pace I can understand teams growing frustrated with him. I think he was drafted too early, he should still be in G League right now.
low ball iq like kwame brown?
I agree with everything you said here.
Next year will be a good barometer of what these guys (Wiseman and Bagley specifically) can become as NBA players.
Duren is the starter though.
Both are a one and done contract.Not good at any aspect of the NBA game!!!!!!!!!!.
Hmmm Big guys tend to take time to develop. I would say the pressure is more on Kylian Hayes than the big guys. For me, Hayes needs to buy in to winning basketball and give up on him thinking he will be an all star and focus on being a solid starter for the league. Sometimes these guys come in at a young age and want to do everything too fast but tend to forget how to win games.
@@javierlandaverde4108 that sounds like an everyone else problem not a Killian problem.
It's a YOU problem because YOU brought Killian into a conversation that had nothing to do with him just to bash the kid.
I'm really getting sick of this. Killian is a good player that still needs to grow. If you hate him so much then find another team to root for.
@@javierlandaverde4108Has there been any indication from Hayes that he is putting the cart before the horse by mentioning he is going to be an all star? He seems to be more of an introvert and not for braggadocio.
I’m a Warriors fan & he was so frustrating to watch. At the end of the day…I don’t think James is too smart. To answer your question is NONE. None of your current big man options are worth building if you want to compete for future championships.
not too much of a wise man aye
Huh? I understand the 2 busts but duren has shown incredible physical abilities ALONG with great IQ, feel, work ethic and character. Plus hes shown some nice skill flashes. He looks like he could be capela worst case, if not competing for all nba 3rd team
On the play at 1:38 , this is not Wiseman's fault, it's mainly Killian Hayes and a minor mistake by Jalen Duren.
Wiseman helps off of Vucevic to guard Hayes' man (DeRozan) > Wiseman stops it, then gets back to his own man (Vucevic) > Hayes switches off of DeRozan for some reason and guards Duren's man instead of chasing his own guy down > Duren switches, but doesn't look to realize Wiseman is already covering Vucevic > Open DeRozan jumper.
I think you need to rewatch something a few times before you call him "clueless" and making plays that you "fucking hate".
Yup, looking at it again I didn't consider the defensive assignments and the best thing that James could have done in that situation was just notice DeRozan and communicate fast enough for a switch. I rewatched that game and Jalen Duren was responsible for that area the whole game, he should have closed out DeMar, I didn't notice that. My bad.
even the play at 2:02 you can argue that Wiseman was not the one who switched. he simply returned to his assignment and Killian never communicated that he rotated
as I said before, I would go the team where Wiseman is because I want to see the development of this very telented young and very athletic guy.
please do a video about killian hayes and why he's ass
Killian Hayes, that dude is a solid bust!... he's been playing too long for the Pistons and until now, just minimal improvement... 🤦♂️🤣🤦♂️
great, breakdown - wish more holdouts amongst Dubs fans would see this. Imho, it depends on how much losing the Pistons are wiling to accept.
As you described, Wiseman is raw. There's also another factor - Wiseman believes he is a star and he's been unwilling to change his game to fill a complementary role (team defense, set good screens, roll hard with energy even if the ball doesn't come, etc...).
He'll need two seasons of solid playtime while absolutely dragging his team toward the lotto before either 1) he''s right and he starts becoming a star, 2) he learns he isn't/his style isn't conducive to winning and humbles himself to become a role-playing big with good size. I hope the best for the kid. With his tools he "might" be a star that hasn't had the opportunity to realize his game. But to find out, his team will have to stare down a whole lot of losing across not just this season when his contract is up (QO: $16M) and next season before we find out. Could be a worthwhile gamble to continue dwelling in the lottery, but it was certainly not an onus the Warriors could bear any longer. Good luck
Yeah, but the problem is if he continues with this attitude, he will out the league altogether.
There are some players in the league with the amount of time wisemen has had in about a season, would do so much better. So many players don't get anything, no opportunity and are cut. Wisemen is privileged and sadly TEAMS DONT HAVE TIME FOR THIS. Unless you are super poverty. So much investment it's sad to see
Really Wish we kept Bey as opposed to trading for Wiseman. Wiseman can have a future on the Detroit Pistons as a backup Center. But as a die hard Pistons fan I want to see Duren get the starting Center spot. Duren really gives me a lot of hope and if healthy I think Duren can be the CENTER of Detroits Future. Wiseman could be a bench peice still. I think the Pistons starting five should be 1. Ivey 2. Cade 3. Ausar 4. Beef Stew 5. Duren
this is a great video, the rest of your content looks great too!
I try to do my best, thank you
Wiseman definitely must step up his game big time this season or else no excuses.
This pick and eventual trade is why I think Bob Myers "quit" along with a bunch of other bad picks (Manion,Evans) and Poole extension. But back to Wiseman, he was always a low IQ player since his college days. You either know how to play or you don't. And Wiseman doesn't have it.
Quite hard to go against the analysis of a world class elite team who's been on top for a decade. There must be an unworkable issue with Wiseman to be let go. Perhaps we'll realize it over time.
Based on everything I've read and heard, he's just kind of dumb. A very slow learner and stubborn.
I think the biggest issue is wisemen was drafted to high. There's just too much pressure and fear of being a bust is crippling. It's weird because the warriors just got chris paul and that would be one of the best things to happen to him. He's not a number one guy. He doesn't have drive and hunger to fix his problems. Even without playtime he should have got use to seeing HOW players work. How to be a professional how to watch tape. He had time to pick one of the two best defenders in the modern history of the NBA yeah. Your going to think I'm crazy saying this but gp2 is one of the best defenders in modern nba history and its a crime his career got so derailed by his height. the second one being draymond green. A lot of what he's doing is lack of basics. basics he was suppose to be working on. playtime or not he should "on paper" look good. he doesn't. He plays like a guy who didn't need to know the basics and expects to be doing whatever he wants and shocks he can't. That people are just as big and talent. That culture shock is what he got his first year and I'm not sure why he's still in this culture shock phase. The type of mistakes you want him to be making is a little too greedy a little too hungry and that isn't his mistakes. Now, it could be a "wiggins" where greed wasn't wiggins problem but coaching was. The problem is Wisemen had REALLY good coaching. He had good solid development even without major playtime mins. He just never applied it. Example the "Screening" action where he screens awful. That's a fixable thing, that's a little touch thing. That's something he could have worked on and been better at but he screens like he's going into a duffle bag and it's all for show and not an actual move. I get the feeling that wisemen doesn't care. And it shows.
if he wasn't a high pick he might be out of the league with the way he plays
Facts bro
he had a fantastic team to learn from and he learned nothing , NEXT !
This kid will be okay.
Joe Smith spent a career being just okay.
Joe Smith was a 1st team All American at Maryland in his Sophomore year.
@@HKim0072I don't think that portfolio matters when ur in the NBA. He was an average player during his NBA career, no matter if he played great in his college/high school days.
@@SnitchandSnacks Totally stupid comment.
Joe Smith played against Rasheed and Stackhouse at UNC and the good Duke team with Grant Hill. Wake Forest, Virginia and George Tech were all good teams back then.
Wiseman basically played zero games in college and hasn't proven he can play against his own peers much less NBA players.
Good analysis, but let me summarize succinctly why the #2 overall pick was traded to Detroit - James has a low bball IQ, Wiseman isn't very wise.
You were too polite to say this, but I think Wiseman missing defensive assignments is a low BBIQ issue and I'm not sure how fixable that is. When he understands what's going on he's a great defender, so he has athleticism in spades. Jokic is the opposite, low athleticism high BBIQ. (LeBron is of course high in both.) The NBA is a much more cerebral game than college basketball by a huge margin and it's evolving all the time, sometimes you're just not smart enough to keep up no matter how hard you study game film or whatever.
Some things are simple though and not really BBIQ dependent. Like calling switch in the clip with Killian. Coaches just gotta drill the basics over and over. Get on his ass anytime he doesn't call a switch or when he stops playing before the play is over and loses his man. None of that takes understanding of the game really. Call switch. Play till you hear a whistle or someone makes a basket.
@@DyersEve726 Calling "switch" doesn't show up on Sportscenter. Wiseman plays as if he only cares about being on highlight clips and not actual winning. Terrible screen setting, terrible boxing out, terrible defense. Too bad for him he has brick hands so isn't actually a good roll man for alley-oops. He thinks he's a taller KD, but he's way too slow and doesn't have the handles or shooting.
The problem is between the ears for Wiseman. He thinks he's something that he's not.
He better get it together or he’ll find himself left behind.
or droppinmg out of the league altogether
Yes.. AND, +/- has a lot to do with who you are playing with as well. I think his growth and development looks far better in San Antonio as opposed to Golden State with a coach who is NOT a developmental coach or organization. His injuries also certainly didn’t help. I would be curious what differences were seen from Summer league after having half a season of consistent playing time going into a healthy offseason.
This isn't just about Kerr not being a developmental coach. Look at Monte Williams. He's not playing him either. So far Wiseman is their 3rd string big. You see?? This is isn't a Kerr thing. This is Wiseman thing.
He can learn and most big men do. He still has not played many games overall. Guys like him are usually projects and he was, especially since he played so few college games as well!
Cmon, he cant even look good against gleague players. You have guys like paul reed dominat the gleague and hes just starting to become a good rotational piece for the sixers. Is there a world where wiseman can give you a solid 12-18 minutes off the bench? Sure, but that outcome is looking extremely unlikely, and any allstar potential is completely out the window.
Wiseman should be a role player and nothing more. That is how he will be a factor to a team.
Warriors should have drafted Lamelo
So he hasnt improved at all
Warriors should have just drafted lamelo due to their small ball system and fast phase of play
Centers need to able to set screens, rebound, stay in front when switching, passing, defend the paint and last thing they should worry about is scoring
I never understood this pick or his hype. The man played 3 college games and was injured his senior yr in hs. Wtf did the warriors expect?? He screamed 5 yr experiment, at least. Drafting that high pick the best player ( melo or Halliburton would be good for them).
Feel so bad for the guy. I feel like most of these issues would have been addressed had he just played more in college. 3 games in college isn't even enough to get into the g league imho... unless you're Lebron James or Kobe Bryant..
Like, it's not like he was drafted straight out of high school. He went to college, but just didn't play 🤦♂️
Wiseman is a AAU player
Nice video, keep up the good work man
Wiseman's defense reminds me of Christian Wood's defense, and that's not a good thing.
Wiseman has all of the physical tools. He can run the floor and shoot. But he just doesn’t know how to play the game. When he’s on the floor the opposing team gets too many easy baskets.
I saw him in one of his first games, his basketball iq seemed low, but hoped he would figure it out... what never happened
Two years ago, I followed Jared Goff to the Lions. I'm a big Jared Goff fan. The reception he got was insanely asinine. I went on Detroit media constantly defending him. The worst show was like this imbecile. Called Throw the Ball Jared, it purported to show cogent analysis of particular plays. Instead, it showed the host couldn't see the entire context, often missing how close and fast defensive linemen were on Jared. 6'5 guys are much closer to the QB than fans looking down on plays understand. I was beyond vindicated. Now, I'm a Lions fan, but I liked them right from the beginning. The coach impressed me, for one.
James is different. Jared had a track record. But James reminds me of Robert Parrish, who the Warriors gave up on. How did RP turn out? The biggest issue is fouling. Big men often begin their careers constantly getting called for fouls. RP did. If they look a little gangly, it's worse. They become too focused on not fouling. It can take time to overcome this problem. I don't know if James can, but I see real potential that a good coach could develop. He's too focused on his movement. It's slowing him down. It's not instinctive. I like the Pistons. I think he did fine given the team play which was awful. So we will see. But please forget about the plus minus analysis. It's a statistical joke. Read up on it or take baby statistics to understand how ridiculous the grouping is. Use your eyes and brain.
Sounds like you gotta use your eyes and see hes bad at every aspect of sport
Great video 👏 He’s fun and frustrating to watch. Reminds me of the hope I had with Drummond 😂
He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, as the Brits would say. Plus I don't believe he has a burning desire to learn
Time is running out for James Wisman, he is going into year 4 and still seems mostly clueless about what to do on defence despite being big, strong and agile. He just got cooked by Jabari Smith Jr a player who just finished his rookie season in summer league and at this point it will be considered a minor victory if he can have a career like Javale McGee. The biggest problem is he still thinks he can be a star in this league.
cab you say bust
Jalen Duren is combination of Antonio McDyess and Orlando Woolridge .
Any Warriors fan could have told you.
Maybe the Sixers should, instead of REBUILDING, start RE- "PROCESS"ING.
It's not where a team picks; it's WHO is doing the PICKING. (TROY WEAVER > HAVING #1 PICK)
#tankingain'tenuf
Weaver is a moron and arguably the worst GM in the NBA.
You can't have a small coaches teach him to be a big men you need a true big to teach him to play big.
remember the 2 fingers lamelo ball flashed at the draft he is now laughing all the way to the bank
He’s 22. Give this guy some time.
Absolutely amazing video
I think there's a big problem when young and inexperienced players somehow end up as high lottery picks on legit championship contenders.
It doesn't happen very often, but one other massive bust at 2nd overall was Darko, who I legit believe could have been a great player if he had gotten drafted onto a trash team and given time to develop instead of riding the bench. He was 18, homesick, and an overnight millionaire with almost zero responsibility. Compare Darko and Wiseman that to Tim Duncan, who had just spent 4 years in college before getting drafted onto a contender. Dude was mature and developed enough to contender as a rookie.
The not so funny thing about James Weizmann is that his problem is both an easy fix, and an impossible task at the same time. Mr Weizmann has problem with his motor. He has a problem with his engine. He has a problem with his energy level and degree of effort output. That is something that's both fixable and impossible to change, depending on the individual.
What a great breakdown. Never believed Wiseman was a good NBA player. Physically gifted and great high school player does not mean they can transition to the NBA, His basketball IQ is below average, horrible spacing and his biggest weakness is his constant BALL WATCHING!!! He is only able to play two on two or iso basketball.
I wish the Warriors had Jalen Duren instead with the team we have now .. 2024 champs for sure
Curry Thompson Wiggins Draymond Looney
To start of the 2nd unit Chris Paul has been legendary with elevating his bigs game and with guys that are athletic .. So Kuminga Duren Tracye Jackson Davis would benefit plus Moses GP & Brandin would be deadly
Good vid man
its' the NBA first round guys like Wiseman has 4 years before you have to pick him their 5th year option.
if they're not going to extend him why play him over other guys like Duren?
1:43 wiseman played correctly he may not have communicated to the player in front of vuc to pick up the ball. He stayed low on the big to where if a shot is taken he can box out. Vuc is clearly in position to grab an offensive rebound, lob, all around second chance point if wiseman shoots out to the corner. That was the correct move maybe no communication to his teammate to pick up the wing as he is back in position to pick up the big
Nice work🎉
I just don’t think wiseman is a 5. They should give him some run on the perimeter
Haven't heard that one before
He's too slow to be anywhere BUT a 5. The problem is that he thinks he's a wing player and acts like one, but he's got nowhere near the actual quickness, shooting, or dribbling.
4:01 to be fair that wasn't a bad pass more than a person with awful hands. Because they could have grab and went straight up with that if they could catch one handed. if you call for the pass like that super annoying be ready for the pass. He wasn't. That guy needs to get in the lab and work on catching 1 handed. Yes the pass could have been better but for a professional basketball player not in high school that was a ok pass.
great video. always wondered why GSW gave up on him so quickly.
GSW has a short window to compete. And they can't play James Wiseman due to his flaws as shown in the video (ie. bad situation awareness on D, and on office, does not set good picks etc...) .
The warriors depth back in 2022 season are the people who left next season. The whole roster got dismantled just because of Poole wanting to get the 💰, then he cant live up to it.
He will be out of the league in 2 years.
Wiseman has amazing pure talent. But his basketball iq is horrible. He is a center who wants to play as a small forward.
Wiseman will be ok trust me
lol no tf he won't
@karycam
Nah.
Someone tell him HE NEEDS TO STOP CROUCHING he's getting little like 5'10😢
Monty Williams will overuses his top players. He wear players down and will eventually shorten their careers
after a year he maybe gone out of d league
I think Wiseman is an offensive minded player that wants to score all the time. Hope he improves in defense.
QUESTION THE NORMS. RISE ABOVE.
It s crazy ppl tell me about stats ,but I always am like you gotta watch the game.. he just was loss
Great content, well put together and good analysis. Subbed👍🏻
He does not have a good foot work
Trade for Bey not aging well.
Bey wanted the bag 💰 and is not a good defender and inconsistent. Wiseman has potential and showing improvement.
dude had a lo-IQ on defense.
Ivey is not special either
I hoped Wiseman would have been a good fit for the Warriors, but it does seem like his play style might not have been a good fit. Plus, being injured more than half the time he was with them didn’t help anything. #Dubs 👊🏽
The Dubs value experience and bball smarts in their rotation players. Wiseman is too inexperienced to have been able to succeed on the Warriors. Add in the fact that he missed valuable time with injuries and his developmental was compromised
significantly. Keep in mind also that last season the team was in chaos due to Green assaulting Poole, effecting team chemistry a fan the culture that had existed before. Not ideal for molding young players.
guy is super soft unfortunately. He fits right in w the celtics
A player that should have stayed in college to develop.
Its not fair to compare his +- on Detroit the whole team is minus
Bro was literally paying with 7 man lineups most of the time in Detroit and they were actively tanking 😂😂😂 he’s gonna be fine with next season
Yeah he wasn’t good in gs either pistons need to stop getting these players thinking they can fix them and focus on duren
@@greenecarlos93 wiseman had multiple good games with the pistons. Him and Duren can literally coexist, they both under 25 and play completely different. Duren is a traditional 5 while wiseman is more of a 4 when they both played together they showed flashes
@@keilinthedbzfan u high we had zero rim protection outside of duren pistons fans are delusional that’s why we never have a competitive roster cuz niggas rather use players who show flashes rather than guys who can produce consistently
Come on, wiseman is too offensively focused, you can’t rely on his rebound and defense. That’s a big problem to co-exist with duren. Duren is too young and talented to just feed ball to Wismen
@@chelsea7xhf his defense and rebounding were much improved with Detroit if you watched the games. How is subpar rebounding and defense a problem to pair with Duren if those are durens biggest strengths?😂 Wiseman was too focused on getting buckets this season but that won’t be the case next year. Right now as it stands Duren can’t hold a candle to wise offensively and when they played together it would have had better results with NBA level guards not Killian Hayes and Rodney mcgruder
BUST 😂
Maybe he is both weak relatively and afraid of getting re-injured
And a little mentally weak.
hell be out the league in 4 years
He pulled a Marvin bagley
Keep making content. Good work.
Do a piece on Thon Maker!
The fact is, only casuals thought he would be good.
He shouldn't have even been a top 20 pick.
He called Dejounte Jamal lol
great video and breakdown!
Killian is bad but he’s an excellent passer. Don’t blame him for Wiseman’s failings
Hayes is the worst basketball player in the nba
@@jaymiller4999 yes troll, I acknowledged he’s bad. He still passes well though. Always has, even on a team lacking a consistent offence.
@@jossgraham5056when you have Cunningham on the roster Hayes is useless
Great video
No bag 💼
Great video!
Duren>Wiseman
I think Wiseman for Bey was a fair trade. Bey was looking to get paid 20mil a season while been inconsistent on offense and below average defensively. Wiseman has potential to be good and arrives when Bagley was hurt
Fuck that, only one of the two belongs in the NBA. Weaver is the worst GM out of 30 and should have already been fired.
13 and 10 in 22 minutes is a positive.
On the worst team in the NBA
@@WTC-1990 - And your point is what?
@@mbwell he will be playing in China soon
@@WTC-1990ur ah casual it okay
@@JSage13 it's funny that you think he's gonna survive
No basketball sense
This is what you get when you play 3 games in college. Then get drafted because of your height.
He really needs a mentor who can guide him as a center, seriously he just needs some pointers
@@joesescuzar61 he needs to show he is smart enough to learn. Rodman was great in rebounding and he not only boxed out people, he knows where the balls are going. That’s smart, Joker has great hand eye coordination, great touch and very smart also to be such a good passer with great court sense. Weismann hasn’t shown any of that yet! He’s got long legs and that makes it difficult for him to change direction quickly for defense, and he needs to strengthen lower body muscle to stand his position without being pushed out. Long legs make high center of gravity.
If they think Wiseman gets pushed around. Just wait and see how overrated this years number one pick is.