Too bad Alys and Weirgeorge didn't give Daemon slightly more vision he would've saw that killing the white walkers was actually super easy, barely an inconvenience.
@@BatFlash52that's true. Even season 4 had it's flaws. It wasn't nearly as good as the first 3 seasons. Season 5 was beyond mediocre. Season 6 and onwards were just bad. It's funny that people think that HOTD season 2 is bad, because season 1 wasn't much better. It was bad all along. On par with season 6 of GOT.
@@dissect123I can believe a single small craft could slip through, it's what made Davos famous in his time. I don't believe it was only carrying Alicent and a single knight, Gendry couldn't pull that off that quickly.
@@thomaswillard6267 Davos is a renowned smuggler and sailor. He needed a huge storm to slip in unnoticed and even then only went one way. Rhaenyra and Alicent both slipped through twice, so they must be better sailors than Davos. They also look immaculate, must be a 5 star cruise ship they were using to sneak through.
"The Realm's Delight?" "Too goofy, my lord." "The Boy's Joy?" "Too weird." "The Human Torch"? "Too macabre." "The Boy Who Lived?" "Already taken." "The Dragon's Cock?" "I thought it was burned off?" "Yes, by a DRAGON!"
This episode had Criston talking about his devotion to Alicent meanwhile she is knocking on the back door of her childhood sweetheart and asking Rhaenyra to basically run away and sell oranges, it has never been more over for this man
At least Criston Cole seams conscientious of his actions and is conflicted. He doesnt need to trip at harrenhal to know he's messed up. The dude feels a lot of guilt.
Criston broke when he saw how little his inner struggle was in the face of Vhagar burning everybody including his king alive and how he was part of it.
I think we can all agree HBO fucked up by cutting down the episode count, still loved this season, but it does feel like it’s missing about an hour of content and the real finale
@@lukasmadrid1945 I think they dont have the budget for all the larger scale conflict and Dragon CGI they want to do so they are spreading it all out across more seasons. The problem is the filler to beef up this season is just focusing on stalled plots that arent offering anything new or building momentum. That time should have been developing other characters something GOT did really well. You could go several episodes, even a full season without seeing certain characters because everyone was getting some development. In HOTD it very much feels like there are 3-4 main focus characters that get to be shown every episode even if they have nothing of value to the plot to contribute due to the way they paced the story.
Unfortunately Condal & the Showrunners had no say in the format. The decision came from the top.. and I fear HoTD is the test subject for a wider change to HBO Originals from the 10ep format to 8ep formats, so they can churn out more products from different IPs. I'm low-key pissed AF... 10ep format is king, don't break what ain't broken.. The Discovery merger is ruining HBO.
I'm looking ever so often at the "newest" comment section of this video, just to see that others are still eager for the last episode. Not disappointed 👏🏼
That's honestly my hope that it's a bait and switch. Rhaena makes it all the way out here and Nettles just pops out of hiding and just says that she claimed Sheepstealer when he came out to the reach.
Alicent knows it wasn't Rhaenrya. She said as much in the episode, but Otto said the true culprit wasn't important, pushing Rhaenyrawas politically advantageous.
The Daemon visions were visually cool, but I really didn’t like being reminded how the last series ended, especially how the White Walkers ended up being a bit nothing burger.
Yeah, it's cool to think that the ending is gonna be different in the books, but the series ending makes this scene really pointless. We know that the long night ends in less than a week and the final villain is Lex Luthor Cersey and Mad Queen Daenerys.
@pinkdouche Maybe HBO are gonna go over every bit of pre GoT content they can then in my dreams after George has finished the series they will do a Game of Thrones Brotherhood that is consistently good the whole way through and contends with og GoT early seasons
The point of alicent's season two arc was recognising how bad of a mother she's been, and then she goes to dragonstone and essentially sells aegon and daeron out 😭😭😭😭😭 PS- The argument that she's making a sacrifice to end the war is dumb af, alicent is smart enough to know that until aemond is alive and the hightowers have daeron as a potential heir, the war isn't going to end just because rhaenyra sat on the iron throne. So if she really wants to end the war then should poison aemond and daeron somehow and give helena moon tea just in case she's pregnant. PS2- the show tries to show at the end that rhaenyra is bound by her duties and alicent is finally free, yeah she fucking passed a death sentence for her 3 sons, her brother, her lover criston and her father, they committed treason? Well then Alicent also committed treason and should be killed liked the rest of them, she's the one who pursueaded aegon to be king in the first place, oh she misunderstood viserys, that doesn't make her any less of a traitor. How amazing that she's finally free of her family duties and put a person on the throne who's husband murdered her grandson. Fuck that scene and all who are praising it. PS3- If rhaenyra doesn't bring justice to the murder of an innocent child in his bed and accepts help from daemon, she is by proxy responsible for that murder.
@cmd7930 aemond i still understand, but what about daeron, like he's been chilling in oldtown, what's his fault, and how did she forget about blood and cheese when rhaenyra said son for a son
@@cbbxvcjkb7877 I think Alicent knows Rhaenyra didnt send Blood and Cheese but she does know Daemon send them since Blood says Daemon send him when he is captured. Alicent apparently supports the future king consort Daemon who ordered the brutal murder of Jahaerys and caused madness of Helaena. They really butchered Alicents character. She went from protecting her own children to betraying her own children and her lover and she supports Daemon who ordered her grandsons death
@@cmd7930the scene would've been better if alicent said," okay you can kill aegon but then, the first child of jace and baela would be snatched from her mother's arms and killed right infront of her, deal?"💀💀
@@forsaken7976 anti child birth? How? I think it just showed how child birth took place before modern medicine (with the exception of aemma getting ripped open, idk how medically or historically accurate that is)
@@quietstream8206 Almost all the childbirth scenes were miscarriages (the ones we had film for at least). The one childbirth that wasn't a miscarriage was depicted with disgust pain and unhappiness. I wouldn't say anti childbirth but definitely anti motherhood.
Woke up excited to listen to the Livestream and was gutted to see it had been taken down. Listening to your thoughtful analysis is something I look forward to every week. So happy you were able to get it back up.
This season's pacing was AWFUL. A lot of characters spent the entire season doing basically nothing when they shouldn't be. It feels like they're stretching this out as much as possible to get 4 seasons or more when there really isn't that much content. There's no reason this season needed to end with "we're going off to war!" when that's how the last one ended.
They waste time in literally NOT TALKING AT ALL Like Daemon with the Riverlords Or Rhaenyra and THE BLACK COUNCIL Or the bastard and Corlys (hello goodbye all the season ALL THE EPISODES) Just to put : Daemon trippin until episode 6 (good one) Rhaenyra complains about the mysoginist Council (she is Dumb and the writing is laughable) And Alicent well they character is ruined at all because they wanted to be "good" redemable or something like that
@thomaswillard6267 They've never officially given a number of seasons we're getting, but the absolute most (with plenty of stretching and filler) is 4. 5 seasons is ridiculous, there absolutely is not enough content in the story for that. Hell, half the main cast is supposed to die next season
Idk man feels realistic to me armies weren't mustered in a day it would take weeks for that to happen and each episode feels like a week goes by of them doing stuff
Hard disagree. The main characters all had an arc that finished during the final episode. They began one way at the start of the season, and were changed by their experiences at the end. While the war *itself* isn't fully kicked off, I was still satisfied.
@@Nukefandangoreally? What was daemon's arc again? Complete introspection for a whole season just so destiny can take over all agency in the final second. I'm starting to realize D&D clearly weren't the only morons writing GoT tbh
@@TheForkOnTheLeftist Weirwood visions might have undercut it slightly but Daemons arc was realizing that he doesn't want to be king as he loathes the responsibility
dude that made me SAD. Aegon is a POS, but you can see that the only thing that he's ever wanted is to *be* wanted; he was happiest when the smallfolk loved him.
@@Nukefandango exactly, the scene of him first acting as king and going over the problems of his citizens and trying to give back the livestock of that farmer was him trying to help them out and gain their love, even though he is a humongous POS its still sad
I find it odd that they were barely able to fit one 10 minute battle scene into this season, yet are setting up around four big battles for season 3. If they have the budget for that, they could've just had the Gullet in this season. Would've felt like a much more complete season then.
Thats what has me worried. I feel like they are going to strech it out even more and maybe we get like only 2 battles next season due to budget constraints, and they won't get any better with the lukewarm reception this season has gotten. They skipped over so much this seasons and filled the gaps with nothing of note, next season will be even worse for it. This isnt the same HBO we all knew and loved unfortunately. That Warner Discovery merger was always going to be brutal for the quality of their shows.
There's no way you're going to see more than 2 battles in full and it will probably only really by one, they just don't have the budget to do it justice. They'll cut around like they did with the Brackens vs Blackwoods. People asking for battles every episode is a monkey's paw. If they got what they wanted, every battle would look like it does in Vikings or The Last Kingdom, where they have battles all the time but each "battle" has maybe 100 people involved, all infantry, no horses, no siege machines (no dragons) etc.
@@Code_Dee Agreed, there are a lot of battles but the importance of each one differs, so they'll definitely have some off screen and casually brought up in a council scene.
S2 summarized for each character: Rhaenyra - Jon Snow's "I don't want it" but "I don't wanna rule over ash and bones" instead. "Women are kinda hot, wow" 🥵 Alicent - Breakup with sexy guardsmen leads to existential crisis, realising she is an awful mother, then continues that trait by selling out her children. Daemon - Guy trips on mushrooms for an entire season and with the help of a sexy Scottish owl lady, gets a sneak peak of season 1-6 of Game of Thrones, thinks it was rad so learns empathy. Otto - Gets fired, still angry so ghosts everyone, gets locked up. Cole - Breakup with high born beauty, gets angey, gets depressed, loses will to live. Where have I seen that before? Oh, also gets PTSD. Jacaerys - Powts. Like, all the fucking time. Bigfoot - Gets promoted, gets fired, runs away with new crippled friend. Aegon - Mommy issues result in one too many bottles of Dornish wine. Gets too close to a family BBQ. Becomes bigfoots crippled friend. Still can't speak Valerion. Aemond - Actually can speak Valerion. "Accidentally" puts too much fuel on the family BBQ. Gets angry when all the other kids get their own pet dragon. Corlys - Talks to people next to his boat. Speaks to wife next to his boat. Remembers he has bastard sons next to his boat. Gets told off by said bastard son next to his boat. Renames his boat. Rhaenys - Talks to her husband next to his boat. Also gets too close to family BBQ. Mysaria - Prevents an assasination. Sends food to starving people. "Women are kinda hot, wow" 🥵 Helaena - Reads Fire & Blood, and a Song of Ice and Fire before bedtime every time. Baela - Does literally nothing. Rhaena - Does literally nothing apart from steal Nettles fucking job. Alys - Sexy Scottish owl lady. Somehow forgots to show Daemon seasons 7-8 of Game of Thrones, maybe saving the world isn't worth it after all.
i agree with it all but its pouts for next time and Aemond was upset about everyone else having dragons first season. Rage bait taker , brooding emo boy with nuke . More thoughtful than the showrunners it seems.
@@frfras7 All female characters around Rhaenyra were her cheerleaders this season. It was tiresome, and too bad that ASX is too much of a Rhaenyra cheerleader himself to ever call it out.
Criston didn't use Alicent's handkerchief to wipe his sword, it was just a rag. You can see him tuck the handkerchief inside his shirt and he doesn't take it back out afterwards.
@@Alex-ym5oxWhy would he use his only p0rn stash to waste on wiping his dirty sword? He would rather use the handkerchief for his other "sword" before going to battle 🤫😏
Why do they have to constantly link this show with game of thrones? They’re 170 years apart and it turns out the whole prophecy turned out to be false. Why can’t it just be a nice self-contained story about a Targaryen civil war?
Maybe George's outline for the actual ending of the books has changed, or wasn't as close to the actual ending of GoT that we saw, and the connections to GoT are more in the context of the final outline that he has planned? Assuming he's shared it with the HOTD showrunners, at least.
It definitely felt like fan service, it's a little weird that Daemon, or anyone at the wall, or viserys take it so seriously,, when they have really serious impending stuff happening right now. I guess I can see someone being convinced it's important if they have this actual mystical vision. But just seeing some words on a dagger or hearing about it like a ghost story shouldn't cause anyone to wake up with cold sweats about the future
Just read that they agreed to end the show after 4 seasons. Seasons 3 and 4 are of unknown length, but Condal is assuming at this time they'll each be about 8 episodes. It is also very clear that this season was written with a 10-episode arc and after they completed the writing, then HBO executives forced budget cuts and the best way to resolve it (during a writers' strike) was to move the final two episodes to the next season.
@@UsiQuotidiani.18 at that point just end the show with rhaenyra on the throne and Aegon III as her heir and just say the book is wrong whoops, long live Queen Rhaenyra the Whitewashed because booohooo we're tolkienists who write chosen one stories unironically.
Wtf was this ending? -Alicent went from jumping in front of a dragon to protect her children to betraying them over walks in the woods (well except for daeron I guess, she doesn't even consider him lol) -Daemons spends a season torn between his hunger for power and the understanding of how hard it is to bear it, only to have a vision of the future and make his final choice based only on that (making the rest of the visions totally pointless) -Aemond has to convince haelena to ride into battle and doesn't even mentions how it would protect her kid from the people that killed the first one -Helaena has now telepathy and just spoils the future events, like this -Rhaenyra going with the "a son for a son" as if they didn't already kill jaeherys and alicent didn't just tell her to kill aemond lol, and of course alicent doesn't reply😂
Alicent had the best arc all season. Yes, she sacrificed her children for her freedom. Her children were a gateway for her to have power and she realized that was a fools errand and her children were lost and either beyond redemption or were a necessary sacrifice for her final freedom from familial duty Daemon was bad I’ll grant you that, and holy shit do I not care about rhaena they really should’ve put nettles in there Helaena is not someone who is going to kill people to save her kids. She also understands her place in history, like Alys does and daemon eventually does, and the ultimate futility of it all Criston I think impressed me the most, he had a jaime Lannister moment this episode for me I hope rhaenyra goes much darker next season
Walks in the woods... as well as being marginalized by them, having her grandson murdered, having her rapist son crippled, and facing the realization that Aemond isn't just going to outgrow the trauma that defines him. Y'know, the other 90% of her screentime
@@michaelsalmon9832 Alicent's arc was dogshit and completely contrary to source material; her arc is : "oopsie I misunderstood my husband, wow I used my children and formed them into paranoid people after telling them all their lives that their half sister would murder them as soon as she got into power, let me force my son into ruling when he wants to run away, WOW why do my kids want to kill their half sister, nevermind kill my son haha xD I love you Rhaenyra it's nbd my grandson got his head sawed off" These children are uhhh human beings and living consequences of her actions, and instead of owning up to them and trying to support the consequences of her actions she shierks duty and decides that they are easy to discard dumpster trash. That's not good writing unless you are a sociopath IRL
@@michaelsalmon9832When I see opinions like this I seriously consider we're among bots. Ain't no way people liked this season and how they butchered Alicent 😭
Quite a disappointing season. Alicent went from a mother fighting for her children to betraying her own children. Not even Cersei or Lysa would do what Alicent did to Aegon. Rhaenyra has been too passive and peaceful all season. I guess Lucerys didn’t mean that much to her. Corlys has literally the same scene every episode with Alyn. Repetitive scenes every episode. Same with Daemon. His hallucinations didnt need like 6 episodes. The Tyland Essos storyline didnt feel like it should have been in a finale. We waited 2 years to get a very slow season. Now another 2 years of wait to finally get civil war in a show about civil war. 5/10 season for me
They turned Corlys into a dead beat dad refusing to pay child support. Rather than a father who has Rhaenyra make his sons legitimate and the heirs to driftmark because he respects them. He's the only truly great person in the book. In my opinion.
@@John_Locke_108He was a deadbeat dad in the books too. Never acknowledged the bastards were his and only acknowledged they existed when all his legitimate heirs were dead. Just like in the show.
When Haelena says it's just a story, I don't think she is breaking the 4th wall. I think she's saying the vision is just a story. Seeing how many Targaryens taught themselves to be the savior mankind needs, it's clear they are seeing these visions and thinking it must be about them. I think she is trying to warn Daemon to not take it literally. Idk, just a thought.
yeah but the "you're a piece on the board" stuff and how they speak of future events as something inevitable makes it seem like they are alluding to the overall story from within, I wish the dialogue was a bit less wall-breaking
Yeah I thought it works in the context that she's seen it all happen, it's gonna happen and it might has well have happened already, to her it's just a story that has been told before
They turned the Valyrian Velaryons into POCs but then shat on the real, beloved POC whose skincolor is an asset making the story richer and not adding more logical fallacies to it.
@@ScottNorfleet1994yeah a lot of the dragon math is confusing to me. Rhaena hatches a dragon called Morning during the dance and “Morning” being the only dragon to make it out of an awful war is nice thematically. Sunfyre is apparently dead? Which is odd because he has some stuff left to do in the story
Felt like the first half of this season was really good and promising, but it fizzled out in the second half. Knowing the lore somewhat, I was sure the season would end with Rhaenyra attacking King's Landing, so I was surprised and confused that they didn't even get that far.
The more Hot D gets into the weird Old Gods and White Walker stuff the worse the GoT finale gets. It's like they're retroactively adding more build up to an already underwhelming conclusion.
Yea, also why when the Hobbit did some extra backstory and build up of the Sauron lore, it felt so epic cuz we already have the big and crazy battles and spectacle
I was ranting to my non-reader partner during the episode about how much Rhaena sucks and she said, "I'm sorry they ruined Skittles or whatever" 😂 RIP Nettles, you were too good for this show and its creators
Frankly, rolling Nettles story into Rhaena’s makes way more sense. For one, it actually gives Rhaena something to do. It’ll also tie into Daemon’s arc much better and give him an actual redemption where he connects with the daughter he’s neglected instead of grooming another child
@@michiganscythian2445There’s no reason to assume they won’t just call her dragon Morning instead of Sheepstealer. So far nobody has ever referred to it as anything other than just a wild dragon, so she could just name it morning and be done with it.
@@BlazerManiacNumber96 Except the child he's "grooming" is very likely his bastard daughter, and the contrast between how he treats her despite her appearance and common upbringing and how he treats his proper valyrian daughters is a really interesting aspect of his character. Instead he's seen the future and gone all in on Rhaenyra, simplifying the conflict of the story _even more._
@@tord1508can't remember when it appears specifically but if you Google "house of the dragon wall drawings", you'll see one of her drawings is a woman covered in fire but seemingly unburnt.
Loved to hear the music changing in the final montage, the stark theme for the greybeards, the Reynes of castamere for the Lannisters, I think even the valarians had their theme from last season played but I might be misremembering.
@@dissect123 It's not being played in the world so what you're saying means nothing. It's the musical motifs of the lanisters and is used in tandem with other's themes to reforce the idea that the kingdoms are marching towards again
@@AM-uk3vm That would change the whole feel of the show if every time a character entered a room, their family theme would boom out from seemingly nowhere. Would be funny for a short skit but damn that would be wild in canon hah
@@AM-uk3vm on the contrary, I care about an immersive world and want this show to be good (which it isn’t and never was). This is nostalgia fishing by leaning on a once great show because HotD itself is an inconsistent mess. Using your logic, they could have played The Star Spangled Banner or the Looney Tunes opening and it would have been alright.
Personally, I didn't really like the Sharako Lohar scenes. It felt fanservicey (like a nerdy more obscure version of Ed Sheeran's cameo) and the actress' performance felt rather wooden and broke immersion for me (in the toasting scene especially, I had the feeling I was watching an actress portray a character rather than watching a fictional character that exists in a fictional world). Overall this episode felt rather underwhelming.
That actress/character was horrendous. How about her ridiculous chiclet-sized pearly white veneers in every scene? Apparently the writers forgot that pirates in a medieval-set world probably don't have access to orthodontists.
@@meta4four Tylands teeth. His face is caked in mud, like layers and layers of it, because he’s been slapped around in mud for 15 minutes or whatever… but not a single drop got in his mouth, not a speck, his teeth were fucking immaculate and gosh it looked very silly
I really fucking hope that Rhaena Targaryen's whole "quest" thing actually leads her to running into Nettles instead of claiming Sheepstealer herself. Nettles was such a cool character. I'm loving Phoebe Campbell in the role of Rhaena, and I get why they'd like to increase her screen time. But I'd rather they do it by creating a friendship (romantic or platonic, I don't care) between her and Nettles rather than cannibalizing one character for the other. Ryan Condal also complained about there being "too many similar dragon claimings" at the end of episode 7's behind the scenes, and I think Rhaena running into Nettles and then Nettles showing Rhaena her approach to "domesticating" Sheepstealer would be way more interesting than just, "Rhaena and Nettles are the same person now."
coul also have Daemon acting as a father figure to Nettles and Rhaena together, that way you'd get the father-daughter relationship he had with Nettles while fleshing out his relationship with one of his true daughters Rhaena
I always thought Daemon would build and army then hand it over to Rhaenyra. It's exactly what he did with Viserys and the Stepstones. He gets mad, goes off and does a victory, then hands it over to the family member he's wronged to prove his love and devotion. It's completely on brand for Daemon. I think Helaena was appearing to Daemon in real time, she's wearing the same clothes in his vision and on the balcony. Maybe she knew the frequency was open for messages, if that makes sense.
Tbh considering they're gonna wrap it by season 4 and how much this one pushed stuff for later, whether they want it or no, they have to. There's so much stuff they have to pack in these seasons, I actually doubt they're not gonna cut at least half of it out but oh well...
This is what happens when you stretch 4 episodes worth of content into 8 episodes. All that character build up of Daemon for him to just go "I saw it in a vision girl it has to be true". All season of everybody telling Rhaenyra to attack only for her to go "nah actually". A whole season of Alicent just walking around or something? Also someone needs to tell them you can put a whole scene together instead of showing 3 seconds of Rhaena every 15 minutes. holy shit every time she showed up for 3 seconds, I facepalmed. Also I guess the guards who's ONLY job was to escort her 'kinda forgot about her'? Like what even was this. Whole season could've happened as a raven.
"Whole season could've happened as a raven." 😂😂😂 Couldn't agree more with the entire sentiment. I was so upset with them just wasting Daemon's arc. And I rolled my eyes so hard when he said "Winter is coming". Wtf
@@Kallynthehuntress I wanted to pass away when he said that shit lmao. I was like aint no way these mfs wanna remind me of the atrocity that was season 8 this bad
What a fuck was that Son for a Son shit from Rhaenyra!? Where the hell did she get the balls to say that after Daemon had Alicent grandson's head sawed off!?
While I was disappointed in the “conclusions” of all the other arcs this season, I loved that Daemon was able to inherit Vicerys legacy in the form of the SOIAF dream even though he couldnt inherit the royal birthright.
i love the way that Daemon has become more like Viserys and Rhaenyra has become more like Daemon. also, controversial take, but i do kind of like the way that they're setting up Rhaenyra to believe that the gods and destiny are on her side and that she has to take power because its the will of the universe. not only links nicely into the list of targaryens destroyed by prophecy but also (if they do it well) gives us a much better and better set-up version of what was supposed to be Daenerys' arc that we never got.
One thing I really loved this season was Jace’s confrontation of Rhaenyra and Alyn’s of Corlys. I love the exploration of consequences of infidelity in Westerosi society, especially through the lenses of different classes as well.
My heart dropped when I came back to finish the livestream I started yesterday just to see it wasn’t here anymore. Thank you for putting it back up, m’lord
Maybe Alt Shift X has already made the episode 8 explained video, but it was deleted by Alt Schwift X before he could upload it and now Alt Shift X is so frustrated that he hasn't been in the mood to make it again 🤔
I would like to say its so grounding to hear your voice go through this episode. I think after watching this season finale I was a bit disappointed but as you provide context for the episode it helps me settle down. So thank you, I need this!
They are taking the friendship between alicent and Raenyra too far. Up until this episode I was enjoying the adaptation but Alicent betraying the Greens and allowing Raenyra to kill Aegon was just too ridiculous. In the books Alicent hates the blacks even more than her children, this is too much and it's pathetic.
Alicent doesn't hate her children at all in the book. She literally loves only them and thinks of no one but them at the time of her death. Book Alicent would rather get tortured by Rhaenyra than allow her to kill Aegon.
@@shensee9348 what I meant to say is that she hates the blacks even more than her children hate the blacks. This love between her and Raenyra is non existent and yes she loves her children completely.
She didn't forget, they just both know that at this point Aegon has to die for Rhaenyra to win and take back the throne + by extention likely Aemond and Daeron would be killed too as they want to fight and Alicent only planned to smuggle out Haelena and her remaining grandchild.
I'm sure it's an intentional little fourth wall break, but I still works in the context that Helena knows it's all gonna happen as the way she's seen it, it might has well have all happened already, to her they're all just characters in a story of the that has been "told" before
Looking at it this way is a great metaphor for the writers of this season - GRRM included (I say this as an avid fan) - they are trying to have their cake and eat it too.
I think it's really interesting how in the pub when Aegon walks in Ulf knows to pay respect and to act a certain way but now that he feels empowered and on the same level as the royals he drops the act
They did briefly show Helaena riding Dreamfire near the end of the episode “Driftmark”. 3 dragons can be seen flying back to King’s Landing, after Aemond claims Vhagar.
I think its a bad idea to bring Jace to Harrenhal. Jace is her heir, if Daemon was betraying her then she and Jace would be prime targets. It would be stupid to bring him. If she brought all the dragons thats pretty hostile for just checking things out. Having Adam fly around to keep an eye on Daemons dragon and everything else was smart. Adam is steady and she has known him the longest out of the 3 dragon seeds. And she may be more comfortable with Seasmoke because it was her previous husbands dragon.
It would be so funny if season 3 starts with Rhaena trying to bond with Sheepstealer, but Nettles just comes in from off screen bringing Sheepstealer a sheep to eat and says "Ah I see you've met my dragon!"
Yea I really don't care and it's not relevant to the Dance of Dragons anyway, because these factions have more immediate material reasons to go to war against one another that doesn' involve a stupid prophecy that in the show canon ultimately resolves in Arya defeating the Others
Seeing Dany as the solution to the White walkers and the reason for everything was emotional and also frustrating bc it reminded us that it went so wrong in GOT s8. THE WHITE WALKERS WERE HER FIGHT.
I’ll be honest guys I found Abigail Thorn quite annoying.i know she’s a friend of the channel but she really did not off as someone a group of hard as nuts pirates would follow. She was good for comic relief but I am kinda hoping she gets fried in the first episode back so we don’t have to endure too much of the kookiness.
@@Madeleine_des_Esseintes it's crazy what happens when you let good actors take their character and actually bring it to life vs having the plot dictate the life of the character
Her performance was extremely cringe. You can see that she's literally playing a character, her performance did not feel natural like everyone else in the series
I don't really consider Jace's behaviour to be sulking. He's dealt with this bastard stuff all his life, his own mother hasn't exactly been truthful to him and his brothers about it, and it's hypocritical of her to hold to her legitimate claim to the throne as chosen heir while naming Jace her own heir without addressing his parentage and legitimising him so it's much more kosher, let alone all the Dragonseed stuff.
Corlys spent all season watching his ship get rebuilt and ended the finale riding on a canoe
Hahaha 🤣 bruh i was wondering the same thing
Lmao would it have killed them to let the man end the season steering his ship? No one would've batted an eye if S3 started with him on a canoe
Riding a canoe TO HIS SHIP.
@@osheroth we haven't seen the seasnake pilot a ship even once lol just one shot at the helm or giving orders at sea etc. would have been enough
He also just kinda goes to do "blockade stuff". He is the Hand and they dont know the TRiarchy is coming right?
I'm 100% sure they didn't put bloodraven in an eye patch because a lot of viewers would assume it was Aemond
Aemond is the Three Eyed Crow crackpot theory
So true
True but he looks young af I figured he just didn’t fight bittersteel yet
Let's see what they do with the KOTSK show
i agree
Too bad Alys and Weirgeorge didn't give Daemon slightly more vision he would've saw that killing the white walkers was actually super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Oh, really?!
😂😂😂
I hope ryan makes a video on this, would be fun
And killed by non-Targaryen. All Dany did waas giving Night King a dragon and thus made the Wall fall.
Wow wow wow, wow
I bust out laughing when Daemon touched the tree. I shouted at my TV "oh no he's watching Game of Thrones. He's gonna be so pissed by season 6"
He downloaded a bunch of spoilers, but without the context. Now he thinks the Long Night is going to actually be a significant event.
LOL
*Season 5
@@BatFlash52that's true. Even season 4 had it's flaws. It wasn't nearly as good as the first 3 seasons. Season 5 was beyond mediocre. Season 6 and onwards were just bad.
It's funny that people think that HOTD season 2 is bad, because season 1 wasn't much better. It was bad all along. On par with season 6 of GOT.
Daemons character arc is literally learning he's not the main character.
I've been heir....for 30 years!
@@falconeshieldreminds me of the Loki scene “I’ve been falling… FOR 30 MINUTES”
would've been nice if it was 1 episode, it got incredibly boring
@@Dell-ol6hbit was the best part of the season
@@GeeBarone 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Daemons arc in s2 is the ‘boy takes acid and discovers empathy’ meme come alive 😂😂😂
@@adriancioroianu1704it’s a joke not a dick, don’t take it so hard
Dude you seem so insecure I'm gonna pray for you @@adriancioroianu1704
You're fun at parties I bet @@adriancioroianu1704
Every scene at harrenhall was my favorite. It seems that those scenes have the most magic/prophecy related stuff which I love
@@adriancioroianu1704Read that again, they’re not calling Daemon a boy.
Last week man said “what if alicent goes to DS like yo sis mistakes were made.” She literally showed up and said she was mistaken 😂
The stealth teleportation tech is superb this season.
@@dissect123I can believe a single small craft could slip through, it's what made Davos famous in his time.
I don't believe it was only carrying Alicent and a single knight, Gendry couldn't pull that off that quickly.
@@dissect123the Starks definitely don't have that tech though
The clip was already leaked last week
@@thomaswillard6267 Davos is a renowned smuggler and sailor. He needed a huge storm to slip in unnoticed and even then only went one way.
Rhaenyra and Alicent both slipped through twice, so they must be better sailors than Davos. They also look immaculate, must be a 5 star cruise ship they were using to sneak through.
"The Realm's Delight?"
"Too goofy, my lord."
"The Boy's Joy?"
"Too weird."
"The Human Torch"?
"Too macabre."
"The Boy Who Lived?"
"Already taken."
"The Dragon's Cock?"
"I thought it was burned off?"
"Yes, by a DRAGON!"
"The Magnanimous"
Joyboy has returned?
the human torch is also taken (fantastic 4)
@@MrsKirk2203I believe the position has an opening after Deadpool & Wolverine 💀
@@MrsKirk2203 I know, but I didn't wanna repeat jokes. 😂
This episode had Criston talking about his devotion to Alicent meanwhile she is knocking on the back door of her childhood sweetheart and asking Rhaenyra to basically run away and sell oranges, it has never been more over for this man
Criston asked to do the same with her in s1
@@tequilasunset4651 My point exactly.
Criston was actually kinda likeable in this episode lol
@@tequilasunset4651different time
@@FlowerTrollSan no
I need to see the Beesbury army decked out in beekeeper suits and wheeling a bunch of beehives on carts to sting the Lannister lions.
😂😂😂
Buzz buuuzzzzz justice for the lord of beeeesssburry 🐝🍯
The sting of justice shall bee swift!
We swarm at dawn! 🐝🐝🐝
I wanna see Jason release the lions and them immidiately eat some lannister soldier.
At least Criston Cole seams conscientious of his actions and is conflicted. He doesnt need to trip at harrenhal to know he's messed up. The dude feels a lot of guilt.
Criston feels like one of the most human characters in the show.
He’s about to be Crispy Cole
@@Jonoridgemaybe Cole slaw for the big bbq
I was growing to disdain Criston for obvious reasons, but his speech in the finale was incredible
Criston broke when he saw how little his inner struggle was in the face of Vhagar burning everybody including his king alive and how he was part of it.
I think we can all agree HBO fucked up by cutting down the episode count, still loved this season, but it does feel like it’s missing about an hour of content and the real finale
Yeah, feels like we could have had two more episodes to close off the season.
I think the writers did focus on some things too long and other too little too tho
@@lukasmadrid1945 I think they dont have the budget for all the larger scale conflict and Dragon CGI they want to do so they are spreading it all out across more seasons. The problem is the filler to beef up this season is just focusing on stalled plots that arent offering anything new or building momentum. That time should have been developing other characters something GOT did really well. You could go several episodes, even a full season without seeing certain characters because everyone was getting some development. In HOTD it very much feels like there are 3-4 main focus characters that get to be shown every episode even if they have nothing of value to the plot to contribute due to the way they paced the story.
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Unfortunately Condal & the Showrunners had no say in the format. The decision came from the top.. and I fear HoTD is the test subject for a wider change to HBO Originals from the 10ep format to 8ep formats, so they can churn out more products from different IPs. I'm low-key pissed AF... 10ep format is king, don't break what ain't broken.. The Discovery merger is ruining HBO.
I'm looking ever so often at the "newest" comment section of this video, just to see that others are still eager for the last episode. Not disappointed 👏🏼
It'd be funny if Rhaena tried to claim Sheepstealer, but Nettles just pops up and says, 'Oi, that's my dragon, that is!'
That's honestly my hope that it's a bait and switch. Rhaena makes it all the way out here and Nettles just pops out of hiding and just says that she claimed Sheepstealer when he came out to the reach.
All the Rhaena scenes reminded me of John Cleese from monty python just running
@@Blueeyesthewarrioryep, It’s my faint hope. I also think it would be narratively stronger; not every meaningful Targ character needs a dragon.
@@eduardosp2024and she gets a dragon morning hatches at the end of the war
Depends on how diverse Nettles is.
"Alicent kind of forgot that Rhaenyra supposedly had her grandson executed"
😂😂😂
Helaena forgot Daemon was responsible
@@cmd7930holy shit so true
Alicent knows it wasn't Rhaenrya. She said as much in the episode, but Otto said the true culprit wasn't important, pushing Rhaenyrawas politically advantageous.
The Daemon visions were visually cool, but I really didn’t like being reminded how the last series ended, especially how the White Walkers ended up being a bit nothing burger.
Yeah, it's cool to think that the ending is gonna be different in the books, but the series ending makes this scene really pointless. We know that the long night ends in less than a week and the final villain is Lex Luthor Cersey and Mad Queen Daenerys.
@pinkdouche
Maybe HBO are gonna go over every bit of pre GoT content they can then in my dreams after George has finished the series they will do a Game of Thrones Brotherhood that is consistently good the whole way through and contends with og GoT early seasons
Every time this show keeps reminding me of the GoT ending, I want to die. STOOPP bringing up prophecies and the white walkers PLEASE
@@ricebix Game of Throne Brotherhood lmao
Yea, ice walkers were ruined by GOT TV show. I can't help but cringe when I saw them in HoD)
The point of alicent's season two arc was recognising how bad of a mother she's been, and then she goes to dragonstone and essentially sells aegon and daeron out 😭😭😭😭😭
PS- The argument that she's making a sacrifice to end the war is dumb af, alicent is smart enough to know that until aemond is alive and the hightowers have daeron as a potential heir, the war isn't going to end just because rhaenyra sat on the iron throne. So if she really wants to end the war then should poison aemond and daeron somehow and give helena moon tea just in case she's pregnant.
PS2- the show tries to show at the end that rhaenyra is bound by her duties and alicent is finally free, yeah she fucking passed a death sentence for her 3 sons, her brother, her lover criston and her father, they committed treason? Well then Alicent also committed treason and should be killed liked the rest of them, she's the one who pursueaded aegon to be king in the first place, oh she misunderstood viserys, that doesn't make her any less of a traitor. How amazing that she's finally free of her family duties and put a person on the throne who's husband murdered her grandson. Fuck that scene and all who are praising it.
PS3- If rhaenyra doesn't bring justice to the murder of an innocent child in his bed and accepts help from daemon, she is by proxy responsible for that murder.
She sold Aemond and Cole out too by saying they are marching on Harrenhal 😂
@cmd7930 aemond i still understand, but what about daeron, like he's been chilling in oldtown, what's his fault, and how did she forget about blood and cheese when rhaenyra said son for a son
I am honestly impressed with how badly the writers butchered her character.
@@cbbxvcjkb7877 I think Alicent knows Rhaenyra didnt send Blood and Cheese but she does know Daemon send them since Blood says Daemon send him when he is captured.
Alicent apparently supports the future king consort Daemon who ordered the brutal murder of Jahaerys and caused madness of Helaena.
They really butchered Alicents character. She went from protecting her own children to betraying her own children and her lover and she supports Daemon who ordered her grandsons death
@@cmd7930the scene would've been better if alicent said," okay you can kill aegon but then, the first child of jace and baela would be snatched from her mother's arms and killed right infront of her, deal?"💀💀
Alicent's "tbh i never really cared for those children" moment
Right?! Character assassination. Cersei Lannister would never
This show is basically ant-child birth propaganda.
@@FlowerTrollSan Alicent =/= Cersei
@@forsaken7976 anti child birth? How? I think it just showed how child birth took place before modern medicine (with the exception of aemma getting ripped open, idk how medically or historically accurate that is)
@@quietstream8206 Almost all the childbirth scenes were miscarriages (the ones we had film for at least). The one childbirth that wasn't a miscarriage was depicted with disgust pain and unhappiness. I wouldn't say anti childbirth but definitely anti motherhood.
Criston's speech sounded eerily like a foot soldier heading into nuclear war.
Where’s the explained vid?🥺
Right? I wouldn’t mind a video of his overall thoughts of the season as well.
Alt Shift X becomes GRRM
He is still shook with the ending
I think episode 8 broke him.
Woke up excited to listen to the Livestream and was gutted to see it had been taken down. Listening to your thoughtful analysis is something I look forward to every week.
So happy you were able to get it back up.
I use to work out and sleep and live
@@Gawlersame bro
This season's pacing was AWFUL. A lot of characters spent the entire season doing basically nothing when they shouldn't be. It feels like they're stretching this out as much as possible to get 4 seasons or more when there really isn't that much content. There's no reason this season needed to end with "we're going off to war!" when that's how the last one ended.
Where does this 4 season idea come from? I thought it was gonna be 5? And there is plenty to feature if we don't get another writer's strike
They waste time in literally NOT TALKING AT ALL
Like Daemon with the Riverlords
Or Rhaenyra and THE BLACK COUNCIL
Or the bastard and Corlys (hello goodbye all the season ALL THE EPISODES)
Just to put : Daemon trippin until episode 6 (good one)
Rhaenyra complains about the mysoginist Council (she is Dumb and the writing is laughable)
And Alicent well they character is ruined at all because they wanted to be "good" redemable or something like that
@@Morfe02the show has focused WAY to much on the relationship between Alicent and Rhanyrea
@thomaswillard6267 They've never officially given a number of seasons we're getting, but the absolute most (with plenty of stretching and filler) is 4. 5 seasons is ridiculous, there absolutely is not enough content in the story for that. Hell, half the main cast is supposed to die next season
Idk man feels realistic to me armies weren't mustered in a day it would take weeks for that to happen and each episode feels like a week goes by of them doing stuff
70 minute trailer for season three is basically what the finale was
Hard disagree. The main characters all had an arc that finished during the final episode. They began one way at the start of the season, and were changed by their experiences at the end. While the war *itself* isn't fully kicked off, I was still satisfied.
@@Nukefandango not a single mf battle
@@Nukefandangoreally? What was daemon's arc again? Complete introspection for a whole season just so destiny can take over all agency in the final second. I'm starting to realize D&D clearly weren't the only morons writing GoT tbh
@@Nukefandango agree, I really liked all the character arcs this season, it’s so great to get some more insight into all the characters
@@TheForkOnTheLeftist Weirwood visions might have undercut it slightly but Daemons arc was realizing that he doesn't want to be king as he loathes the responsibility
Where's your episode 8 breakdown video mate?
Man… youre really taking your time with the last episode’s breakdown aren’t you? Awaiting…
I laugh hard when Aegon stats himself as "the Realm's Delight"
tom glynn-carney has made me cackle all season, even in some dark dark scenes
I mean, he's still pretty out of it at this point so it makes sense that he's deluded
dude that made me SAD. Aegon is a POS, but you can see that the only thing that he's ever wanted is to *be* wanted; he was happiest when the smallfolk loved him.
@@Nukefandango exactly, the scene of him first acting as king and going over the problems of his citizens and trying to give back the livestock of that farmer was him trying to help them out and gain their love, even though he is a humongous POS its still sad
That was soooo funny. I wish they hadn’t made Aegon a rapist in the first season, because I really love the character.
I find it odd that they were barely able to fit one 10 minute battle scene into this season, yet are setting up around four big battles for season 3. If they have the budget for that, they could've just had the Gullet in this season. Would've felt like a much more complete season then.
Thats what has me worried. I feel like they are going to strech it out even more and maybe we get like only 2 battles next season due to budget constraints, and they won't get any better with the lukewarm reception this season has gotten. They skipped over so much this seasons and filled the gaps with nothing of note, next season will be even worse for it.
This isnt the same HBO we all knew and loved unfortunately. That Warner Discovery merger was always going to be brutal for the quality of their shows.
I do think that ending season 2 the same way they ended season 1 would've been a shot in the foot regardless.
There's no way you're going to see more than 2 battles in full and it will probably only really by one, they just don't have the budget to do it justice. They'll cut around like they did with the Brackens vs Blackwoods.
People asking for battles every episode is a monkey's paw. If they got what they wanted, every battle would look like it does in Vikings or The Last Kingdom, where they have battles all the time but each "battle" has maybe 100 people involved, all infantry, no horses, no siege machines (no dragons) etc.
@@Code_Dee Agreed, there are a lot of battles but the importance of each one differs, so they'll definitely have some off screen and casually brought up in a council scene.
The thing is that these battles *cannot* be skipped. Two are way too set up to not happen and around three others will NEED to be shown.
Can't believe you got taken down by your evil twin Alt Swift X
If Alt Swift is the evil twin, what does that say of Alt Shwift?
Hold your breath, Alt Control Delete is coming 😬
@@thomaswillard6267
”he was the greatest to ever do it”
Hits gong out of Respect*
*Evil half-Gruncle
@@mysticmarble94 That's CONTROL Alt Delete! And don't you forget it! 😂
he kinda forgot about the finale
I wish I could too
S2 summarized for each character:
Rhaenyra - Jon Snow's "I don't want it" but "I don't wanna rule over ash and bones" instead. "Women are kinda hot, wow" 🥵
Alicent - Breakup with sexy guardsmen leads to existential crisis, realising she is an awful mother, then continues that trait by selling out her children.
Daemon - Guy trips on mushrooms for an entire season and with the help of a sexy Scottish owl lady, gets a sneak peak of season 1-6 of Game of Thrones, thinks it was rad so learns empathy.
Otto - Gets fired, still angry so ghosts everyone, gets locked up.
Cole - Breakup with high born beauty, gets angey, gets depressed, loses will to live. Where have I seen that before? Oh, also gets PTSD.
Jacaerys - Powts. Like, all the fucking time.
Bigfoot - Gets promoted, gets fired, runs away with new crippled friend.
Aegon - Mommy issues result in one too many bottles of Dornish wine. Gets too close to a family BBQ. Becomes bigfoots crippled friend. Still can't speak Valerion.
Aemond - Actually can speak Valerion. "Accidentally" puts too much fuel on the family BBQ. Gets angry when all the other kids get their own pet dragon.
Corlys - Talks to people next to his boat. Speaks to wife next to his boat. Remembers he has bastard sons next to his boat. Gets told off by said bastard son next to his boat. Renames his boat.
Rhaenys - Talks to her husband next to his boat. Also gets too close to family BBQ.
Mysaria - Prevents an assasination. Sends food to starving people. "Women are kinda hot, wow" 🥵
Helaena - Reads Fire & Blood, and a Song of Ice and Fire before bedtime every time.
Baela - Does literally nothing.
Rhaena - Does literally nothing apart from steal Nettles fucking job.
Alys - Sexy Scottish owl lady. Somehow forgots to show Daemon seasons 7-8 of Game of Thrones, maybe saving the world isn't worth it after all.
Baela was rheynyras cheerleader basically the writers self insert
i agree with it all but its pouts for next time and Aemond was upset about everyone else having dragons first season. Rage bait taker , brooding emo boy with nuke . More thoughtful than the showrunners it seems.
up to the top comment you go, mate
@@frfras7 All female characters around Rhaenyra were her cheerleaders this season. It was tiresome, and too bad that ASX is too much of a Rhaenyra cheerleader himself to ever call it out.
Its clubfoot isnt it? 😅
Criston didn't use Alicent's handkerchief to wipe his sword, it was just a rag. You can see him tuck the handkerchief inside his shirt and he doesn't take it back out afterwards.
It has an "A" initial
@@Alex-ym5oxnot the one he used on the sword
@@Alex-ym5oxWhy would he use his only p0rn stash to waste on wiping his dirty sword?
He would rather use the handkerchief for his other "sword" before going to battle 🤫😏
@@Alex-ym5ox its literally plain on screen they are not the same
George would have made it her handkerchief, with all the metaphors of Swords as Cocks
Until they say otherwise, I have to assume Otto befell some sort of Pulp Fiction “gimp room” situation on his way back home.
I would imagine House Beeesbury had something to do with it
@@ShorjokImagine the creative way they could use honeycomb.
Why do they have to constantly link this show with game of thrones? They’re 170 years apart and it turns out the whole prophecy turned out to be false.
Why can’t it just be a nice self-contained story about a Targaryen civil war?
There's no need to worry about the prophecy, Arya is just gonna teleport behind the Night's King and show him how it was never personel, kid
They need to sell that HBO suscription so people watch GOT
@@bigboydancannon4325 maybe Arya learned her teleportation from Alicent?
Maybe George's outline for the actual ending of the books has changed, or wasn't as close to the actual ending of GoT that we saw, and the connections to GoT are more in the context of the final outline that he has planned? Assuming he's shared it with the HOTD showrunners, at least.
It definitely felt like fan service, it's a little weird that Daemon, or anyone at the wall, or viserys take it so seriously,, when they have really serious impending stuff happening right now. I guess I can see someone being convinced it's important if they have this actual mystical vision. But just seeing some words on a dagger or hearing about it like a ghost story shouldn't cause anyone to wake up with cold sweats about the future
Just read that they agreed to end the show after 4 seasons. Seasons 3 and 4 are of unknown length, but Condal is assuming at this time they'll each be about 8 episodes. It is also very clear that this season was written with a 10-episode arc and after they completed the writing, then HBO executives forced budget cuts and the best way to resolve it (during a writers' strike) was to move the final two episodes to the next season.
can you share the source please? edit: actually found a forbes article about it
I don't think Sunfyre is dead because he is vital for many future plot points. I think its a misdirect for a future jumpscare reveal.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they change it and just says that the book was wrong
@@UsiQuotidiani.18 at that point just end the show with rhaenyra on the throne and Aegon III as her heir and just say the book is wrong whoops, long live Queen Rhaenyra the Whitewashed because booohooo we're tolkienists who write chosen one stories unironically.
@@dhruv9744 I fear that we are going to see and ending similar to the one that you just described 😭
@@dhruv9744naww bro read the Silmarillion if you think Tolkien writes only Stories like that. Feanor is GOATED
@@matteol4384 Fingolfin > Feanor.
Wtf was this ending?
-Alicent went from jumping in front of a dragon to protect her children to betraying them over walks in the woods (well except for daeron I guess, she doesn't even consider him lol)
-Daemons spends a season torn between his hunger for power and the understanding of how hard it is to bear it, only to have a vision of the future and make his final choice based only on that (making the rest of the visions totally pointless)
-Aemond has to convince haelena to ride into battle and doesn't even mentions how it would protect her kid from the people that killed the first one
-Helaena has now telepathy and just spoils the future events, like this
-Rhaenyra going with the "a son for a son" as if they didn't already kill jaeherys and alicent didn't just tell her to kill aemond lol, and of course alicent doesn't reply😂
Alicent had the best arc all season. Yes, she sacrificed her children for her freedom. Her children were a gateway for her to have power and she realized that was a fools errand and her children were lost and either beyond redemption or were a necessary sacrifice for her final freedom from familial duty
Daemon was bad I’ll grant you that, and holy shit do I not care about rhaena they really should’ve put nettles in there
Helaena is not someone who is going to kill people to save her kids. She also understands her place in history, like Alys does and daemon eventually does, and the ultimate futility of it all
Criston I think impressed me the most, he had a jaime Lannister moment this episode for me
I hope rhaenyra goes much darker next season
Walks in the woods... as well as being marginalized by them, having her grandson murdered, having her rapist son crippled, and facing the realization that Aemond isn't just going to outgrow the trauma that defines him. Y'know, the other 90% of her screentime
You see, the writers wrote Rhaenyra as the Chad and Alicent as the Soyboy. That means she’s right.
@@michaelsalmon9832 Alicent's arc was dogshit and completely contrary to source material; her arc is :
"oopsie I misunderstood my husband, wow I used my children and formed them into paranoid people after telling them all their lives that their half sister would murder them as soon as she got into power, let me force my son into ruling when he wants to run away, WOW why do my kids want to kill their half sister, nevermind kill my son haha xD I love you Rhaenyra it's nbd my grandson got his head sawed off"
These children are uhhh human beings and living consequences of her actions, and instead of owning up to them and trying to support the consequences of her actions she shierks duty and decides that they are easy to discard dumpster trash. That's not good writing unless you are a sociopath IRL
@@michaelsalmon9832When I see opinions like this I seriously consider we're among bots. Ain't no way people liked this season and how they butchered Alicent 😭
Quite a disappointing season.
Alicent went from a mother fighting for her children to betraying her own children. Not even Cersei or Lysa would do what Alicent did to Aegon.
Rhaenyra has been too passive and peaceful all season. I guess Lucerys didn’t mean that much to her.
Corlys has literally the same scene every episode with Alyn. Repetitive scenes every episode.
Same with Daemon. His hallucinations didnt need like 6 episodes.
The Tyland Essos storyline didnt feel like it should have been in a finale.
We waited 2 years to get a very slow season. Now another 2 years of wait to finally get civil war in a show about civil war.
5/10 season for me
They turned Corlys into a dead beat dad refusing to pay child support. Rather than a father who has Rhaenyra make his sons legitimate and the heirs to driftmark because he respects them.
He's the only truly great person in the book. In my opinion.
@@John_Locke_108He was a deadbeat dad in the books too. Never acknowledged the bastards were his and only acknowledged they existed when all his legitimate heirs were dead. Just like in the show.
I completely agree with the Tyland story taking up way too much of a finale. I enjoyed it but that could have been last weeks episode
@@prettymsmarythey don’t have money lmao 😂
Agreed bro too bad nobody sees this shit
When Haelena says it's just a story, I don't think she is breaking the 4th wall. I think she's saying the vision is just a story. Seeing how many Targaryens taught themselves to be the savior mankind needs, it's clear they are seeing these visions and thinking it must be about them. I think she is trying to warn Daemon to not take it literally. Idk, just a thought.
I really like this interpretation! I feel like it makes a lot of sense honestly
yeah but the "you're a piece on the board" stuff and how they speak of future events as something inevitable makes it seem like they are alluding to the overall story from within, I wish the dialogue was a bit less wall-breaking
Yeah I thought it works in the context that she's seen it all happen, it's gonna happen and it might has well have happened already, to her it's just a story that has been told before
It reminds me of when rhaenrya told Jace the song of ice and fire and said something like my father told me a story about
Exactly, I think he has PTSD from GoT and now is taking just the word "story" to literally. It's not a 4th wall break in the slightest
Did he just quit making content after the last episode was so horrible?
Where is the episode 8 breakdown?
And now his watch has ended
Green man cameo is mind bending. Feel like we will see more of The Isle of Faces than many may have expected
I was overall disappointed by the episode but I audibly happy-gasped when the little guy appeared on screen!
@BakaChaine Showrunner makes some choices I don't like, but it seems clear to me he's a book reader like us.
Except it was some cheap little faun guy with nothing interesting but standard goat horns and hooves. May as well just resurrect Torgo
i personally prefer to pretend its a caricature of robert baratheon, the destroyer of targshits, as his presence is felt throughout the timelines.
@boarfaceswinejaw4516 Bobby B is symbolically connected with The Green Men/ Garth the Green so it works
They’re sticking to the lore with blue beards and green men but couldn’t give us Nettles
I'm just interested to see how they adapt nettles' part to rhaela. Doesn't she get a dragon called Morning later?
They turned the Valyrian Velaryons into POCs but then shat on the real, beloved POC whose skincolor is an asset making the story richer and not adding more logical fallacies to it.
@@ScottNorfleet1994yeah a lot of the dragon math is confusing to me. Rhaena hatches a dragon called Morning during the dance and “Morning” being the only dragon to make it out of an awful war is nice thematically. Sunfyre is apparently dead? Which is odd because he has some stuff left to do in the story
Who cares about Nettles
The DEI hire needs to be a bigger part of the show you see
Is S2E08 explained being released at some point? Can't wait any longer... :S
Felt like the first half of this season was really good and promising, but it fizzled out in the second half. Knowing the lore somewhat, I was sure the season would end with Rhaenyra attacking King's Landing, so I was surprised and confused that they didn't even get that far.
Felt the complete opposite, beginning of the season felt like an utter drag but episodes 6 and 7 i thought were great
The more Hot D gets into the weird Old Gods and White Walker stuff the worse the GoT finale gets. It's like they're retroactively adding more build up to an already underwhelming conclusion.
Yeah it'll just make it that much more disappointing for anyone who watches this then got
Yea, also why when the Hobbit did some extra backstory and build up of the Sauron lore, it felt so epic cuz we already have the big and crazy battles and spectacle
It makes you wish they could start from season 5 and do it over
@@BooBuKittyPhuk It actually does feel like Hot D is only treating GoT S1-4 as cannon... Blood Raven's birth mark and all.
@@subjectd6985 we can only hope
Aegon believes that Sunfyre is dead, but he hasn't exactly been able to go to Rook's Rest and see the body.
I would imagine he should be able to feel it, given all we have seen so far about the bond between dragon and dragonrider.
@@FirstSynapse I guess that means Seasmoke felt that Laenor has died as well.
Where’s our s2e8?
Criston puts the handkerchief away in his doublet, then the cloth he uses to clean his sword is a different, yellow rag.
I was ranting to my non-reader partner during the episode about how much Rhaena sucks and she said, "I'm sorry they ruined Skittles or whatever" 😂
RIP Nettles, you were too good for this show and its creators
Lmao
I was never super attached to Nettles. But I really wanted to see Morning
"Skittles" lmao, that's ruthless
Frankly, rolling Nettles story into Rhaena’s makes way more sense. For one, it actually gives Rhaena something to do. It’ll also tie into Daemon’s arc much better and give him an actual redemption where he connects with the daughter he’s neglected instead of grooming another child
@@michiganscythian2445There’s no reason to assume they won’t just call her dragon Morning instead of Sheepstealer. So far nobody has ever referred to it as anything other than just a wild dragon, so she could just name it morning and be done with it.
@@BlazerManiacNumber96 Except the child he's "grooming" is very likely his bastard daughter, and the contrast between how he treats her despite her appearance and common upbringing and how he treats his proper valyrian daughters is a really interesting aspect of his character. Instead he's seen the future and gone all in on Rhaenyra, simplifying the conflict of the story _even more._
Where is episode 8 explained???
Prob out this weekend or next
i literally come to this video comments for it
Same was curious too
It ain’t coming out big dog. He was probably so disappointed he decided not to bother.
Glad to see it back up!
Hooray! I was mid-watch and so sad to be interrupted
why was it down?
@@anshtripathi7035i also wish to know this
@@anshtripathi7035yeah why was it?
@@anshtripathi7035Some personal information was accidentally shown in the live stream and needed to be edited out.
Helaena herself also had visions of Daenerys, as shown on the drawings on her walls in her bedroom.
When?
@@tord1508can't remember when it appears specifically but if you Google "house of the dragon wall drawings", you'll see one of her drawings is a woman covered in fire but seemingly unburnt.
@@tord1508you can see it in the house that build the dragon, a behind the scenes series also on HBO Max
@@kims8752 in other words it doesn't matter lol
Loved to hear the music changing in the final montage, the stark theme for the greybeards, the Reynes of castamere for the Lannisters, I think even the valarians had their theme from last season played but I might be misremembering.
I was losing my mind over this
@@anguswaterhouse9255 only that Rains of Castamere doesn’t make sense for the Lannisters since Tywin isn’t even born at this point.
@@dissect123 It's not being played in the world so what you're saying means nothing. It's the musical motifs of the lanisters and is used in tandem with other's themes to reforce the idea that the kingdoms are marching towards again
@@AM-uk3vm That would change the whole feel of the show if every time a character entered a room, their family theme would boom out from seemingly nowhere. Would be funny for a short skit but damn that would be wild in canon hah
@@AM-uk3vm on the contrary, I care about an immersive world and want this show to be good (which it isn’t and never was). This is nostalgia fishing by leaning on a once great show because HotD itself is an inconsistent mess.
Using your logic, they could have played The Star Spangled Banner or the Looney Tunes opening and it would have been alright.
Personally, I didn't really like the Sharako Lohar scenes.
It felt fanservicey (like a nerdy more obscure version of Ed Sheeran's cameo) and the actress' performance felt rather wooden and broke immersion for me (in the toasting scene especially, I had the feeling I was watching an actress portray a character rather than watching a fictional character that exists in a fictional world).
Overall this episode felt rather underwhelming.
That actress/character was horrendous. How about her ridiculous chiclet-sized pearly white veneers in every scene? Apparently the writers forgot that pirates in a medieval-set world probably don't have access to orthodontists.
@@meta4four
Tylands teeth.
His face is caked in mud, like layers and layers of it, because he’s been slapped around in mud for 15 minutes or whatever… but not a single drop got in his mouth, not a speck, his teeth were fucking immaculate and gosh it looked very silly
To be fair though, EVERYTHING in this show looks too clean. 😂😭
Either too clean or too dirty. Always a bad sign in fantasy, sci-fi, or history shows IMO.
@@DanieSBbg1983I thought this about the Velaryons at first then read about how rich Corlys is
Where's our ep8 breakdown? Pulling a grrm and making us wait 13 years or what?
I have also been patiently waiting.
Maybe it's taking a while cuz he'll do a recap of the whole season?
Please say whether your planning to make a short video of this episode like the rest or not
I really fucking hope that Rhaena Targaryen's whole "quest" thing actually leads her to running into Nettles instead of claiming Sheepstealer herself. Nettles was such a cool character. I'm loving Phoebe Campbell in the role of Rhaena, and I get why they'd like to increase her screen time. But I'd rather they do it by creating a friendship (romantic or platonic, I don't care) between her and Nettles rather than cannibalizing one character for the other. Ryan Condal also complained about there being "too many similar dragon claimings" at the end of episode 7's behind the scenes, and I think Rhaena running into Nettles and then Nettles showing Rhaena her approach to "domesticating" Sheepstealer would be way more interesting than just, "Rhaena and Nettles are the same person now."
I hope they'll do this.
I hope they bond like sisters.
Omg this please please make it happen 🙏
coul also have Daemon acting as a father figure to Nettles and Rhaena together, that way you'd get the father-daughter relationship he had with Nettles while fleshing out his relationship with one of his true daughters Rhaena
Won't happen sorry.
Forgive me but it's been 3 weeks, when will you do your summery of this episode like all the others?
Ikr i bet it will be a 8 hour vid or smth haha
At this rate winds of winter will come out before of alt shift x explains episode 8 💀💀💀
Dont do this to us again
Any word on when Glidus and the degenerate Schwift are going to release Dragontime?
I always thought Daemon would build and army then hand it over to Rhaenyra. It's exactly what he did with Viserys and the Stepstones. He gets mad, goes off and does a victory, then hands it over to the family member he's wronged to prove his love and devotion. It's completely on brand for Daemon. I think Helaena was appearing to Daemon in real time, she's wearing the same clothes in his vision and on the balcony. Maybe she knew the frequency was open for messages, if that makes sense.
Exactly, so Helaena is Eleven
I hope the backlash of the slow pace of this season doesnt change season 3 into a season 7 or 8 with battles every other episode
I hope they completely ignore viewer comments, not to mention pressure from HBO or anyone else, and just keep doing what they're doing.
@@creedolala6918Squatting over your plate and squeezing out a nice warm pile of slop?
@@creedolala6918ngl i hope they start learning how to write a little better. This season could’ve been condensed into 4 episodes
Tbh considering they're gonna wrap it by season 4 and how much this one pushed stuff for later, whether they want it or no, they have to. There's so much stuff they have to pack in these seasons, I actually doubt they're not gonna cut at least half of it out but oh well...
@@littleoldmanboythat would’ve been horrible
This is what happens when you stretch 4 episodes worth of content into 8 episodes. All that character build up of Daemon for him to just go "I saw it in a vision girl it has to be true". All season of everybody telling Rhaenyra to attack only for her to go "nah actually". A whole season of Alicent just walking around or something? Also someone needs to tell them you can put a whole scene together instead of showing 3 seconds of Rhaena every 15 minutes. holy shit every time she showed up for 3 seconds, I facepalmed. Also I guess the guards who's ONLY job was to escort her 'kinda forgot about her'? Like what even was this. Whole season could've happened as a raven.
"Whole season could've happened as a raven." 😂😂😂 Couldn't agree more with the entire sentiment. I was so upset with them just wasting Daemon's arc. And I rolled my eyes so hard when he said "Winter is coming". Wtf
@@Kallynthehuntress I wanted to pass away when he said that shit lmao. I was like aint no way these mfs wanna remind me of the atrocity that was season 8 this bad
Somehow, White Walkertine returned
What a fuck was that Son for a Son shit from Rhaenyra!? Where the hell did she get the balls to say that after Daemon had Alicent grandson's head sawed off!?
Makes sense to me cause that was never Rhaenyra, Daemon did that shit on his own as far as she's concerned the debt still needs to be paid.
@@PassioneControlThat's dumb.
@@PassioneControlthat’s stupid
@@PassioneControl well Aegon didnt kill Luke either so that also make no sense
@@EddHedaemond didn’t either it was vhagar lol😂
While I was disappointed in the “conclusions” of all the other arcs this season, I loved that Daemon was able to inherit Vicerys legacy in the form of the SOIAF dream even though he couldnt inherit the royal birthright.
i love the way that Daemon has become more like Viserys and Rhaenyra has become more like Daemon. also, controversial take, but i do kind of like the way that they're setting up Rhaenyra to believe that the gods and destiny are on her side and that she has to take power because its the will of the universe. not only links nicely into the list of targaryens destroyed by prophecy but also (if they do it well) gives us a much better and better set-up version of what was supposed to be Daenerys' arc that we never got.
One thing I really loved this season was Jace’s confrontation of Rhaenyra and Alyn’s of Corlys. I love the exploration of consequences of infidelity in Westerosi society, especially through the lenses of different classes as well.
My heart dropped when I came back to finish the livestream I started yesterday just to see it wasn’t here anymore.
Thank you for putting it back up, m’lord
Same!
Thank god this has been re-uploaded, was devastated at work today.
Maybe Alt Shift X has already made the episode 8 explained video, but it was deleted by Alt Schwift X before he could upload it and now Alt Shift X is so frustrated that he hasn't been in the mood to make it again 🤔
I would like to say its so grounding to hear your voice go through this episode. I think after watching this season finale I was a bit disappointed but as you provide context for the episode it helps me settle down. So thank you, I need this!
They are taking the friendship between alicent and Raenyra too far. Up until this episode I was enjoying the adaptation but Alicent betraying the Greens and allowing Raenyra to kill Aegon was just too ridiculous. In the books Alicent hates the blacks even more than her children, this is too much and it's pathetic.
Alicent doesn't hate her children at all in the book. She literally loves only them and thinks of no one but them at the time of her death. Book Alicent would rather get tortured by Rhaenyra than allow her to kill Aegon.
@@shensee9348 what I meant to say is that she hates the blacks even more than her children hate the blacks. This love between her and Raenyra is non existent and yes she loves her children completely.
I think they meant that Alicent hates the blacks more than Aegon and Aemond does.
@@pelinalwhitestrake9306 yes 👍
This show is anti-childbirth propaganda
Rhaenyra said "a son for a son" to Alicent, i expected her to say "bitch you killed my nephew, and Aemond killed Lucerys, not Aegon"
She kinda forgot
It's bad writing. Same nonsense we saw in GOT season 8. Nothing is forgotten in the books
*grandson, not nephew
She didn't forget, they just both know that at this point Aegon has to die for Rhaenyra to win and take back the throne + by extention likely Aemond and Daeron would be killed too as they want to fight and Alicent only planned to smuggle out Haelena and her remaining grandchild.
@@sadiekayx sorry the words are the same in my language
@@infinityentity i was poiting out that "a son for a son" is no longer valid excuse to kill Aegon
I'm sure it's an intentional little fourth wall break, but I still works in the context that Helena knows it's all gonna happen as the way she's seen it, it might has well have all happened already, to her they're all just characters in a story of the that has been "told" before
Looking at it this way is a great metaphor for the writers of this season - GRRM included (I say this as an avid fan) - they are trying to have their cake and eat it too.
Where is the Episode 8 explained video?!?! 😡
Love the way you described the social media reaction to the show. Twitter is beyond a toxic place.
It is as well as other places , but there is a lot of truth in there about how nonsensical it has been this season
Episode 8 must have blown $40 Million on the mud wrestling
Where is the episode 8 explained vidayo!?!?!?
What happened where you go??
I think the actor for Bloodraven looks great and I hope he plays him in the other show.
What other show?
@@Giorginho "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" a new game of thrones HBO show schedule for 2025, about Duncan and Egg
@@Giorginho I think they’re calling it A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms
The Philosophy Tube scene made me feel like I was watching Season 8 again.
schwifty been awfully silent since the finale dropped…. 👀👀👀
We hope you're doing good bro! Take your time for the next vid we just want you doing good
I’d like to think Addam just forgot how to land the dragon
Where is the explained video?!?!😭
I think it's really interesting how in the pub when Aegon walks in Ulf knows to pay respect and to act a certain way but now that he feels empowered and on the same level as the royals he drops the act
Season 3 spoilers:
Can’t Waite for next season where everyone sits down and talk out their differences with help with a therapist from Skagos!
😂 Fxck HBO writers.
They should just do big group therapy sessions with Alys at Harrenhal
OK, so I guess you’re never releasing the season two finale explain video
They did briefly show Helaena riding Dreamfire near the end of the episode “Driftmark”. 3 dragons can be seen flying back to King’s Landing, after Aemond claims Vhagar.
I think its a bad idea to bring Jace to Harrenhal. Jace is her heir, if Daemon was betraying her then she and Jace would be prime targets. It would be stupid to bring him. If she brought all the dragons thats pretty hostile for just checking things out. Having Adam fly around to keep an eye on Daemons dragon and everything else was smart. Adam is steady and she has known him the longest out of the 3 dragon seeds. And she may be more comfortable with Seasmoke because it was her previous husbands dragon.
No review for episode 8?
Seriously though. No review? Wait are you going to drop it before episode 1 of season 3?
We won’t get the ep.8 explained video until episode 1 of season 3. I thought that was how you guys liked the uploads?
It would be so funny if season 3 starts with Rhaena trying to bond with Sheepstealer, but Nettles just comes in from off screen bringing Sheepstealer a sheep to eat and says "Ah I see you've met my dragon!"
So are you gonna post the "explained" video or no?
I wish theyd stop mentioning danny and the long night.
it’s only okay if they de cannon season 8.
Yea I really don't care and it's not relevant to the Dance of Dragons anyway, because these factions have more immediate material reasons to go to war against one another that doesn' involve a stupid prophecy that in the show canon ultimately resolves in Arya defeating the Others
Seeing Dany as the solution to the White walkers and the reason for everything was emotional and also frustrating bc it reminded us that it went so wrong in GOT s8. THE WHITE WALKERS WERE HER FIGHT.
I’ll be honest guys I found Abigail Thorn quite annoying.i know she’s a friend of the channel but she really did not off as someone a group of hard as nuts pirates would follow. She was good for comic relief but I am kinda hoping she gets fried in the first episode back so we don’t have to endure too much of the kookiness.
Those scenes were stupid but I did enjoy the how many wives do you have thing. Big bro just tripped and fell into paradise
Tyrion in the Eyre was comic relief done right. This was beyond cringe.
@@Madeleine_des_Esseintes it's crazy what happens when you let good actors take their character and actually bring it to life vs having the plot dictate the life of the character
Her performance was extremely cringe. You can see that she's literally playing a character, her performance did not feel natural like everyone else in the series
Main problem was the acting. Just not as strong as other characters given that time
Well, 12 days later, still waiting for "Explained" episode...
Where is Ep 8 breakdown? IS everything ok?
This is what happens when a show runner isn’t strong enough to say no to the people with the money behind the scenes. HBO fucking us again
literally thinking theyre gonna do the same shit they did to GoT…
I don't really consider Jace's behaviour to be sulking. He's dealt with this bastard stuff all his life, his own mother hasn't exactly been truthful to him and his brothers about it, and it's hypocritical of her to hold to her legitimate claim to the throne as chosen heir while naming Jace her own heir without addressing his parentage and legitimising him so it's much more kosher, let alone all the Dragonseed stuff.