I just looked at the analytics on this video, and the average watch time is right around the six minute mark. Please watch through this entire video as there is quite a lot of information in this. We are only clocking an extra nine minutes. We very much appreciate this.
Re the 6 min ave watch time…I’m 100% on your side on this issue but when you don’t have clarity of facts about the tragic accident or say “I’m not on top of the world right now and haven’t done research” and “I THINK it’s 20mph for class 1, maybe it’s a little lower…” (class 1 & 2 are 20mph) right around the 6 min mark, ppl will signed off. Your making a great point, don’t apologize or discount your intended message which has great points about helmets and “undefined e-bikes”! E-bikes are bringing people back to a great mode of commuting or exercising, keep making great arguments and educating so the uninformed politicians don’t make uneducated, knee-jerk reactions to a great evolution of biking.
@@ratpup I do appreciate that and it is noted. Thanks much for watching. The day that this happened I just had a cancer treatment but I did want to get this video put together to go out on Monday. That's why I told people I was not completely on top of the world. I did not want to give the false impression that I had looked into this extensively. Thanks very much, I will definitely keep this thought in mind as well.
message is well received. I've listened to the entire thing. Your style is jawboning and it is not clear if the rest of the time will deliver a new point or simply rehash the same old points. I suggest making up a talking point list and perhaps reviewing at the onset what you are going to cover (30 seconds), then go into the message and deliver your points in order. Thanks for putting this together
@@davidressler4292 I appreciate the advice. Will certainly look closer at it. The day I did this video, I just had a cancer treatment the day before, so I was a bit drained at the time of shooting it. But I did wanna get this video together, so that’s why we did it. that being said, I have been known to go on and on about the same thing a time or two. So I will certainly see about improving on that. Thanks for respectful critique. It’s much appreciated David.
That's not how laws are made, what they do for one they must do for all. When you see fools going around acting jackass on these bikes let them know you're a biker too and want them to knock it off.
@@BillySBC Yes, tell people being idiots to knock it off but as iankelly3081 pointed out, it's still the rider and not the bikes so there was no need to ban the bikes.
@@NickFrom1228 Tell that to the general public that wants the a-holes with the electric bikes off the sidewalks and out of the road. Like anything else, fools will ruin it for everyone.
3,394 lives lost to cars and trucks in Florida last year: nothing done. 1 life lost in accident involving an e-bike: e-bikes banned. And the person who died would have done so in a collision with anything. Hypocrisy much?
Of course, it is hypocrisy. But it’s not going to change until you let your politicians know statistics like this. Everybody keeps saying oh this is crazy. Oh, they can’t do this. Guess what they are. Irregardless, thanks for watching and please let your public servants know how you feel about this.
I get it, but stuff like this more a matter of emotional reaction and attempt to appease public outrage than trying for monetary gain. I think they are more concerned about losing local votes if they appear to have done nothing. That being said, an outright ban is definitely an over reaction, hopefully with enough communication with the local ebike community can lift the ban and help implement more rational regulations.
@@Robert-jd6po first off let me say thank you for watching Robert. And thank you for putting a crossed a reasonable debate. Secondly, it is written in the state statutes that local municipalities can control their sidewalks and bike paths and restrict them from ebikes. They are also doing this on public roads. Thirdly, and make no mistake. My prayers are with the family of the person who passed. But they are using. This is nothing but a weapon. They are completely swept under the rug that she was not wearing a helmet. When someone tried to bring up this fact in a town meeting discussing this, they were booed out and escorted out by the police. That is not sound like people are looking for change for the betterment of everyone. That has more ringing of a mob. And lastly, the state statute defines what is an E bike. If in fact they were having problems with the youth in this town. I can almost promise you it is not on what is legally defined as an E bike. So instead of taking care of true culprits, they have decided to throw a blanket over everything. This is my problem with what they are doing in this town. Not completely sure of the legality of banning these on the road. Because defined E bikes are considered the same as a bicycle, with the same rights. That would be kind of like banning a blue Mustang, because one was in an accident. I do not believe the law allows you to react that way. Again, thank you for watching.
A mechanic at a bike shop said he rides an ebike because he lost his licence.. dui. Car drivers have a licence and insurance. In BC ebikes have neither. Ebike batteries have blown windows out of residences and killed some in close quarters. So sure, do some investigating before you unleash unregulated ebikes on the road, and being fast and silent, they have no business on a sidewalk either.
ridiculous, people have been dying on bicycles for decades and i don't see them being banned, also in cars, motorcycles, agricultural machinery, planes, in bathtubs. people die all the time yet one person dies in a electric bike accident and they want to ban them. unbelievable.
Thanks for watching Dan. As I am sure you already know, this is not about some person who had an accident. It is about this particular person having an accident and knowing someone at a high level. Sad that this is the way things work. Enjoy the rest of your evening.
@@garybregel1572 thank you for watching Gary. On the surface I would certainly agree with you as it certainly falls under that same category. Believe it or not, this town is considered to be conservative, and it is a Republican senator that they have working with them to do this. I guess it just falls back to what I have said long ago the, the only right, and left in politics, is nothing more than the right cheek, and the left cheek of the same tail end.
@@Riceman-o1p then something else will have to be done, maybe require Sur-Ron to lower the power to conform to the bike classifications or require them to have vin numbers and titles. As they are, they're not legal for the road or trails in most places.
@@Scomelbasses probably not gonna happen. No one in my area cares. Cruising on the streets or on the trails in five different cities and no one pays any attention as long as you're being friendly and courteous. I ride past cops all the time on mine and never once have they stopped me. I also have a scooter that go 45+ mph, and an electric unicycle that goes even faster than that. I ride my electric unicycle down main street at 35 miles an hour and the cops don't even look at me. I also have an electric skateboard that goes over 30 miles an hour. And I installed a chip on my electric mountain bike to override the 20 mile an hour speed limiter.
Surely not. Are they not for we the people? I might wanna be quiet before they start taxing the air I breathe. Thanks for watching and enjoy your evening.
this was great and clearly demonstrates the need for classification, certification and safety advocacy. the metro suburb valley i live in has a bike path that runs the entire length with many under crossings and protected signals at major roads. if the community adopted cycling as a means of transportation we are going to see a massive rise in single and multi cyclist injury. i think we will see dash cams become standard to prove fault because healthcare is so expensive (usa)
A girl tourist got drunk and hit a bride and groom on a golf cart in my town and killed the bride. They didn't ban golf carts, alchohol or weddings or tourist. But somehow it makes sense to ban ebikes after one accident.
You are correct it does not make sense. And yet they are still doing it. This is why I am trying to get this information out as I can to talk to your representation. Thank you so much for watching.
@@Ruhan885 No, it’s not a stupid comparison because no one is blaming the golf cart yet these idiots are blaming the ebike. It’s the BEHAVIOR that should be regulated, not the inanimate object.
@@rwent1,… you can talk until you are blue. First know that I’m 70 but graced but still have the ability to reason. When people get old they suffer from arrested development. E-bikes are foreign to them. Simple old minds are not capable of critical thought. I talk to old people a lot. They just aren’t capable of understanding anything but simplicity. Banning e-bikes is a shiny object they can grasp.
I live in downtown Memphis TN. I walked to the post office last Saturday to mail a letter. Two 4-wheelers sped up behind me and missed me by inches ON THE SIDEWALK. Ebikes are being singled out for bullying. -- I am just now looking into getting an ebike as an alternate means of getting to work (8 miles each way). With 2 bad knees and a heart condition, an ebike is the only way biking will be possible at all. But, I have to use alternate transportation on Fridays. Twice now, I've nearly had a heart attack chasing a city bus because it blew right past the stop like I wasn't even there, waving down the driver even. I think the message is: Drive a car, buy gas/oil, and buy insurance, or lose your job... or just die on the side of the road anyway, chasing a effing bus that ignores you. They don't care which, so long as somebody makes a dollar.
Why bother with it- ride it! Screw it so what we outnumbered by car drivers that just don’t like us just because our numbers low and if it was reversed cars would be having same thrown at them. So go ahead.. just politely say no!
WoW! Your comment was so interesting to read because I live in a small-town MI and have the same medical issues, as well as others. I've been looking into E-bikes for years and became more determined lately because the city bus system not only seem to hate to see me coming with my electric or manual wheelchairs... meaning the driver will have to buckle them down, get up out of thier seats, and possible be late getting to connecting buses for their transfers. They absolutely been late before they ever got to my stop, and I have even gone so far as to sit on the seat, so they can do the least, yet they use me as an excuse, Also, they have recently changed the whole bus schedule after getting the whole whatever extra funds for Covid where we were able to ride for free, they then decided that they could not find any new drivers, so they are now not running on the weekends, stopping all rides at 3pm, instead of 6pm, and only running every hour, not half hour. They took out many stops and have gone through so many drivers who they claim did not have the right attitude for the work. Of course it was all the kind, polite ones that go so quickly. Anywho I elect to use my manual chair so that I can use my legs and get up to stretch, get my blood flowing, and work up a good heart rate, as I have AFIB. I wonder if I could handle riding an E-Bike but it's my last opportunity to stay active, get out sometimes to get away from a neighbor who illegally smokes in the apt under me. As I have a few disabilities working against me, I am very concerned that this is just another way to dive into the elderly's funds and keep us reliant in a way that they can track us and any money we get. Someone at the bus garage has the driver of bus i get on call in and let them know every time I get on the bus, by stating where I got on, if I got a transfer, where I'm transferring to, and where I'm getting off. So, this a way of tracking people, where the bikes would give us our freedom & independence back, if I can tolerate it on my spine. Lastly, I just saw a video where a guy is showing how he just built an E-Bike to go up to 100 miles an hour, SO? Can you imagine what these younger ones could get away with when it comes to police chasing them? I think it would be best the to give more work to construction and road workers to build certain areas that are more bikers only, and bike friendly, so the traffic would be better between them. May restrictions for certain ones on certain paths, but we just can't have the U.S. fighting for climate control, for cleaner air, only to make it cost more than driving, or as much. That seems very counterproductive and lacks respects or concerns for the seniors who need it most.
I'm very disabled back spine actually shifted n I can only get out on a bike to Walk the dog but of course my time out on bike I got pulled over by police n taken off road I'm 58 I was polite but didn want to be I wanted to say try being a prisoner in your home I can't walk see if he ride a bike bet he would
I ride a regular mountain bike..the biggest problems to me are the incompetent motorized vehicle owners,modified ebike owners and the occasional dog that is not leashed
Thank you for watching and thank you for your support. I have no problem with what they do to modified ebikes. I do care about what they do to the ebikes, that have already been defined as the same rights as regular bicycles. Just an FYI, we will be doing another update on this. But this week this town has made an ordinance that makes this ban permanent. I will be doing an update as soon as I can Find a verbiage of their so called ordnance
Infrastructure does not support the e-bikes it’s too new. Skateboards were a problem at one time they made skate parks. People that ski did not like snowboarders they worked out. Same here it’s new it’s taking off. And the same government that is saying we all need to go green is now wanting to ban it unless they can tax you for it.
Thanks for watching. You said at all when your last sentence. That part about taxing us for it. I am just hoping we can leave some of these bikes as they are with the same rights as regular bicycles. Because some of them are just that regular bicycles with a small amount of assistance.
First off the reality is that the people banning low speed electric assistance bikes are ignorant, But a significant % of e bikes are motorcycles. We have had motorcycles longer than cars. Motorcycles have restrictions. So why are we electric motorcycles differently than electric cars? treating traditional bikes like motorcycles by limiting speed is also unfair.
@@livenhfreereally , people riding motorbikes around with nothing but a bandanna protecting their head and people have safety issues with an assisted bicycle
Yeah, it's really the Surrons making all the trouble plus people not obeying the rules of the road. A Surron at 45 mph running stops signs on a sidewalk is a problem. Banning my 5 to 8 mph e-assist trike on a multi use path is a lesson in overreaching governmental authorities.
You are 100% correct. And thank you very much for watching. The problem is, our politicians, a.k.a. are servants. Do not know the difference between that 45 mile an hour Sauron. And your 8 mph trike with an electric assisted motor. If we have a child, that knows no better, he will make an awful lot of mistakes. It is our job to educate him. Same with our politicians. I think a lot of our politicians. Forget that they are there to serve us. But I also think a lot of our citizens forget they cannot serve us if we do not tell them what we expect. So let your voice be heard. Again, thanks much for watching.
i was hoping one day it would happen just to say i told them so .....and i would love to see their faces now with all there friends .....i just hope the basic ebike laws stay in place and no other laws come my way.....
I use to cycle with a group when I lived in Portland, OR. A few of the guys I cycled with, were 70s-80s. These guys were no longer strong enough to ride a standard bike. These guys have been riding all their lives. Owning e-bike gave them the opportunity to cycle in their last stages of life. Why would u take that away fr these guys? I don’t own an e-bike. But I do own & operate an electric scooter.
It's always the reckless ruining it for all. My knees hurt way too much so I stopped riding my bike but with my ebike, I am free again. What about the people flying on the trails on regular bikes with lots of blind corners?
I agree 100%. And thanks for watching James. I get past more by road cyclist that never give a warning then I ever do from the bikers. I am also doing an update on this. I believe it’s going to be coming out next Monday. Again, thanks for watching.
Throttles have nothing to do with safety. On a Class 2 ebike, the throttle can push the bike to 20 mph and no more. On an acoustic bike, I peddle to 25mph easily. And most of the time I go 20mph. Problem is that the police are not even enforcing hemets for kids. They don’t enforce laws that keep kids from riding double and even triple. They don’t enforce the laws that keep people from riding in the wrong direction. They don’t enforce the age limits on underage riding. A 10 year old should not be on an e-bike. So of course the answer is to ban all ebikes instead of enforcing the laws they do have.
Thanks for watching. We have seen this happen before in other areas. Nobody’s following the law so let’s put out another one and surely they will follow this one. Seems to be the mentality that comes out of our politicians anymore. Most, if they ever knew, have long forgotten that they work for we the people. They are supposed to be our servants, not our masters. By the same token, most people have forgotten that they need to let their politicians know what we expect from them. How can a servant serve when no one is telling them what they need to do. I would like to say because of all this they just do the best they can. But I think more accurate would be because of this. They do what’s best for themselves. Again thanks for watching. Enjoy your day.
You are quite correct, Dennis. I also think a lot of us Citizens have not set the expectations for our politicians. Make sure you let them know what you expect of them. Thanks so much for watching. Let them hear your voice and encourage others to do the same. Have a great day.
@@southernebikingthey won't listen, unfortunately. Politicians are just in it for themselves. If citizens came in full force regarding letting politicians understand how class 1, 2, 3 work it would takes years.
They know exactly what it is. All governments exist to grab power and become bigger and more oppressive. It is the antithesis to liberty. And people will still be ok with the government getting bigger and bigger.
I certainly agree with your market. However, most of these city leaders and lawmakers have no idea there is a difference. That’s why we need to educate them. You noticed every single one of the articles I quoted, all said ebikes. Never did acknowledge the different classes. Thanks for watching.
I'd not even follow it and take it to a higher court. They've PUSHED electric vehicles on us and scared us into electric everything and now after we buy 1k-5k dollar ebikes to get around and this happens over one incident? When cars do this every day it seems like discrimination.
@@jdgoesham5381 but I would much rather head this off before taking it to court. We do have experience in a very high court and it is a long tedious battle. Especially when you're going up against something like a state or federal. Yes you can win, yes we did, but I would sure rather not go through that again. Thanks for watching. Make your voice heard now to the politicians instead of later to a judge.
The problem is not the bikes. The problem is young riders with no respect for speed limits, rules or safety. I see this all the time: Kids, often with no helmet, speeding and weaving around other trail users, going randomly on and off the trail as if people are merely obstacles to avoid. And most irresponsible of all, are the parents who buy ebikes for their children, and turn them loose with no training or supervision.
I would agree. The second problem is that city leaders do not want to take on the responsibility of dealing with the Young riders when it is so much easier to just get rid of the ebikes. Thanks for watching.
I agree that bikes are not the problem, just as guns are not the issue; it's the person using such that can be. And, it's not just the kids who are irresponsibly riding about without a care in the world, there are a number of adults who never learned responsibility while growing up. Yet... because someone can drive a car these individuals think they're responsible? With anything comes responsibility and consequences; something many politicians seem to avoid.
The question is not fairness but safety. It's tough to be disabled, so I am sure you would not want somebody else to be disabled by being hit by an ebike.
This is as much an infrastructure problem as it is a regulation problem. There needs to be a separation between cars, bikes or ebikes, and pedestrians. Riding on a "bike path " that is full of pedestrians acting like squirrels on the path is dangerous. Its really a multiuser path. Passing a pedestrian at 15mph that is not situation aware is dangerous. Placing that same bike on the roadway that has no shoulder where cars are going 30 mph is bad too. There needs to be separate infrastructure for bikes!
Thank you for the very well thought out comment Robert. I would agree it is infrastructure and enforcement. My whole reason for this video is to let people know they need to have their voice heard as politicians do not seem to see any difference in any e-bike. There is a wide spectrum of them. On one end just a small amount of assistance and on the other end they are built to be throttled around. But I agree with everything you said here as well. Thanks for watching.
Bicycles (IMO) do not belong on "bike" paths. A misnomer if there ever was one. And certainly not eBikes. Too many people to dodge, folks walking pets, runners, etc. I'm a bike enthusiast. Bicycles belong on the road, obeying traffic laws. I've never had a problem because I behave like a car, respect traffic signals, and always make eye contact with other drivers. If we do these things, we can coexist peacefully. Anyway, eBikes are a new class of vehicle. The law needs to catch up.
I started mountain biking back in the mid 80's. Since then I've watched mountain bikes go from being ignored in the beginning to being banned in a lot of places and now back to being ignored. Ebikes have been around long enough that they've attracted the attention of the haters. The new shiny thing to be angry at. Eventually they'll just be ignored again as their popularity and numbers increase. The real ISSUE here is REGULATIONS on everything all the time. Too much government involvement in every aspect of our lives.
I learned it happened when it was dark, this is a knee-jerk reaction by this mayor, what if the boy had been on a normal bike? It says nothing about how fast he was going. What they need to do is keep those under a certain age from riding these e bikes. When i was 12, I wanted to go faster, but my bike or legs would not allow it. Now they can. Dangerous that they can do so by twisting a throttle.
I have had the same encounters Jeffrey. The message I am trying to get out to folks right now is to let city leaders and lawmakers know that there are many different types of E bikes out there. If you notice, most of the time they all get lumped together as one. Maybe if we could educate our public servant, they would start distinguishing between different types of the bikes. Thank you much for watching. We do appreciate it.
@@ohwell2790 well that is as well thought out as car driver saying bicycles do not belong on the road period. Do regular bicycles belong on the sidewalk?
@@ohwell2790 Hey, if the 45 mph road has lots of traffic but no shoulder, I am going to ride my e-bike on the sidewalk --- at a slow speed, of course, and pedestrians will get the right-of-way.
I'm a lifelong cyclist and own an e-assist bike now that I'm 73. I do think that some of this is brought on by too many bad actors among those who ride. The higher speed, purely throttle operated e-bikes really do not belong on multi-use paths and similar places. Put an immature boy with poor judgement on one of those and it's a recipe for trouble. It's important to make the distinction among the classes of e-bikes. A bike that tops out at 20 and only assists pedaling can fit into a path environment but a top speed of 28 with throttle alone is really an electric motorcycle and should only be on the road.
@@suzettewelch9953 thank you for watching. I agree with you. I think the industry is also marketing bikes to the younger crowd and pushing using the throttle. Technically, any bike that goes more than 20 mph, is not supposed to have a throttle on it at all. That would make a bike that tops out at 20 with a throttle and 28 with pedal assist not legally an E bike. Bike that goes to 28 throttle, there again in the legal terminology it is not considered an E bike and so it is not allowed on bike trails, multiuse trails, etc. I will actually be doing a video about this before too long. I suspect I will get a lot of bashing over it. But I really see the industry trying to market these like they are two wheel golf carts that you can ride on sidewalks and bike trails, etc. That is going to ruin it for those of us that are looking to ride an electrical assisted bicycle. My interest is to ride a bicycle. At my age and what I’ve done for a living majority of my life, my body cannot take the heavy strain, so I use a motor to assist in my pedaling. I don’t use a throttle at all, though I do have 2 bikes that have them. Thank you very much for the comment and keep the wheels rolling. Have a blessed evening.
In the 1970’s Springfield , Il decided residents needed to plate and register their bikes. 10 speeds were becoming popular and being stolen regularly. I lived in a village bordering the city. Law didn’t apply to us. Law was a failure. Theft stayed up and it was too expensive to enforce. Illinois has a pretty good e and regular bike law. Have to be 16 to ride an ebike. But don’t need a helmet. Or insurance. If your city is more restrictive, complain to your cities leaders.
Thank you much Gary. And you are exactly right in your last sentence. This is what I am trying to get people to understand. Most of these politicians have forgotten they are our servants. But it’s very easy for them to forget if the citizens forgot as well, and do not have any expectations of them. Thanks for watching.
Give me a break. This push is all about the lobbyist for the insurance agencies so we are by law extorted to pay them or be harassed and eventually arrested in the near future as well. The GOPee hard at work.
@@huckfin1598 license plates and registration were done to reduce theft. It failed. How much are they going to spend to enforce safety laws? My town , a state capital, doesn’t even enforce car regulations. Too expensive. We don’t have a helmet law for anyone. We don’t care about safety.
They tried bike licenses where I live for a couple of years back in the 1970s. The program was a total failure. Some still have their retro plastic "plates" though 😅
Class 1: Pedal assist only up to 20 mph. Allowed on all trails, paths, and green lanes. Class 2: same as Class 1. Also has a throttle. Both class 1 and 2 may not be allowed in certain areas due to local city ordinance. Class 3: Peddle assist only (no throttle) up to 28 mph. Helmet required. Only allowed on public roadways and off road areas. Not leagal on any trail, path, or green bike lane. This is the classifications here in California.
You are correct. I believe this is close to what the classifications are in Florida. However, they did ban all E bikes. My whole purpose for putting this video out is to make sure everyone let your politicians be aware that there is a big difference from one end of the spectrum to the other where these bikes are concerned. If all they hear, is that E bikes, or the problem, then they lump all E bikes in the same category as they make new regulations and ordinances. Thanks so much for watching and make sure that your voice is heard.
Some of these knee jerk rulings are going to be temporary because the traffic patterns would benefit, the environment would benefit, the economy would benefit. And reversals are already happening in the UK lifting Wattage restrictions and throttle restrictions because that didn’t make functional sense. America will follow in a few years, and realize e bikes need to keep up with traffic on urban streets for safety for drivers and e bikers.
I remember about four years ago I commented on videos of Ebike riders driving recklessly. I said those riders would ruin it for the rest of us who are responsible. Most of the responders called me a Karen and a boomer. Well, here we are.
More asinine laws! So if that kid hit the 60-year-old on a regular bike, would they be banning regular bikes? I remember when I was his age I could pedal 30 mph and there was no such thing as an e-bike.
Exactly correct. Thank you very much for watching. This is just a knee-jerk Reaction from a bunch of Old folks that don't like kids anymore. If it was not this, it would be something else. But they saw this as an opportunity. By the way, they just extended the ban for another 60 days this week. I wish I lived closer because I would ride my bike down the road. And let Em ticket me and then take it. To court and have this whole ordinance thrown out
Exactly. I find all road bikes - just ordinary push bikes - are faster than me on my momentum ebike limited to 25km/Hr. I guess they're aiming more at the non-pedal ebikes which can be derestricted to travel above the mandated speed.
Speaking of ebikes and your Neuse River Trail video. We had a fellow cyclist taken down by a ebike on the NRT. The ebike user made an unsafe pass in the middle to overtake another trail user with a line of opposing cyclists. He clipped bars and brought a friend down breaking his collar bone. Physics always wins when dealing with momentum. That 15 pound road bike will always be a no contest against Bowser.
But the entire point of this video is that there is a wide spectrum of ebikes. My personal E bike weighs 12 pounds more than a mountain bike. There are very light E bikes out there as well. People need to quit throwing a blanket over every E bike out there. I have had road cyclist with her head down for aerodynamics in groups of four and five come past us at almost double our speed while on the Neuse River Trail. That does not mean I get the right to throw a blanket statement over every cyclist about how they’re not paying attention just for aerodynamics. do you see where I’m coming from on this? My wife is a hiker and has had her group have to jump out of the way of regular cyclist. Would it be fair for hikers to throw a blanket statement and say no more cycles allowed? Or I have ridden most of the cycleways in the wake county area. One time, I saw what appeared to be a suron. Quite honestly, that is the only time I have ever saw a bike that appears like it was built to be used with throttle primarily on any other Greenways in that area. I am not saying there are not some bikers out there that are using their throttle. But overall in the over 3000 miles I have traveled on cycleways I have not seen much of an issue like I am hearing some people complain about. And I promise you I could complain about the road cyclist with just as many experiences and facts to back it up. but I would prefer not to throw a blanket over everybody and light it on fire. Thanks for watching.
This is a scary video for people who are harmlessly riding ebikes. Thankfully I live in a rural town and my town just passed a law to allow 4 wheelers/ Side-by-Sides/ UTV'S in the town streets so I hopefully will never have to deal with these corrupt/ unintelligent/ uninformed politicians. I appreciate your informartive video here for sure. I hope these laws don't get out of control.
Thank you very much. It sounds as though you live in a town that used to be very common in the United States 40 years ago. Unfortunately, now these towns are not as common. You are 100% correct with the statement of the politicians. Many have forgotten they are there to serve us. Thanks so much for watching.
All is good here, engines,4 wheelers,side by sides, off road vehicles, all allowed to ride on town roads. Of course we still have to obey common traffic laws and rules and use common sense. It's that simple. The freedoms of rural WV. As it should be
@@robertseaburg67 must be a small town. Because that’s where common sense still prevails. You get into the bigger areas, I guess they’re so crowded. They have no room for common sense to remain. If you would not have told me, you was in West Virginia, my guess would’ve been Nevada or Wyoming. A lot of the towns out in the very rural areas remain with common sense. Glad to see there’s still some places here in the east that have it. Have a great day.
My E-bike recumbent has a throttle. Its function is to assist takeoff. If I wanted a bike that I didn't have to pedal, I'd get a motorcycle. I find 20 mph to be fast enough. When encountering someone on a trail, I announce coming and slow way down.
I wish all riders would ride like you and then we wouldn’t need to worry about our e-bikes being restricted. We are elderly and depend on our bikes to get out and see nature.
In Norway only Class 1 E-bikes are considered bikes for the purpose of riding on sidewalks etc., everything else is considered a scooter, must be registered and have to stay on the road. The rules differ across Europe, but they are generally aligned to something akin to this.
And who is gonna enforce the regulations? The cops? I doubt it, I hear and see cars with no muffler, no cat and straight pipes, loud as hell, driving down the street and no one stops or tickets them.
Thanks for watching Pedro. Honestly it’s not important who is going to enforce it. The point I’m trying to make is that these lawmakers need to understand There is a difference in these bikes. At some point they’re gonna make it tough enough on these fast ones that it will be able to be enforced. I wanna make sure those regulations don’t come on us.
This was done by the mayor. Most communities, he does have the power to Anak what they call an emergency ordinance. It is typically limited to 60 days and then that 60 days they try and make something more permanent. I understand everybody is saying it cannot be enforced. But it actually can. I will go back to 1988 when they ban the sale of all three wheelers in United States. Guess what, it was enforced. Thank you much for watching. Best advice I could give would be to tell your elected officials how you feel about this.
How about you have to be 17 years old and be a class 1 not over 22 miles per hour. Ocean City doesn’t even allow alcohol sales in their city ! But keeping e bikes off a crowded boardwalk even though bike are only allowed 6-10 am is still a good idea !
@@southernebiking I live where they make up laws and call them 'city ordenaces'.. When my licence was revoked I got a DWR and thrown in jail going to work on 49cc scooter 'motorized bicycle' in Independence Mo..... No beef about the clasification, or cc's or brake hp of scooter but in order to ride one on street you must have valid license. So now I go everywhere ebikes (got 4) and worry about what these cops will do, I got my DL back but the cops around here still hate me and RARELY return impounded items
The only reason regulations will change here is because of people on stand-on scooters that don't have a care in their little minds for other pedestrians, as they zip down footpaths at high speed. There should be a group of people in every city that go after people on e-scooters that ride too fast and without even thinking of others around them, the're ruining it for everyone else that ride safely. My bike does around 35mph but I think I'm pretty safe as I stick to bike lanes and usually ride it off-road if I can, but it's cheaper than owning and fueling a car which is great for me.
This is why they need to be going after the people not the product. They only do that because it’s easier. We have to remember to hold our public servants accountable and make them actually do a job instead of sit around and taking the easy route. Thanks for watching.
Smokey the bear says to prevent forest fires 🔥🥵. We must ban all matches and lighters, to only fire fighters. That makes about as much sense as banning E bikes and or guns. I believe there should be better road rules and local training for road driving and town courtesy and riding practices. Education is always key restriction never works.
Thank u for your great perspective sir,I'm 68 years old ,live in Brooklyn NY and have been riding ebikes and electric scooters for the past 14 years way before they became popular,I finally gave up driving cars two years ago and just solely rely on getting Around everywhere with these units,I get from point A to point B wayyyy quicker than any car..I would go crazy if ebikes were banded,pray this never happens.god bless
God bless you as well. That is awesome that you have been getting around on these for so long. Make sure that your politicians hear this as well. Remember, they are our servants not our masters. Thank you much for watching.
@@southernebiking thanks for a response sir,you have words of wisdom,i put in over 15,000 miles a years on these units, i keep 3 in my storage unit and two in the front yard locked sucured(people love to steal these)saved thousands of dollars so far,no gas,insurance,reg,free parking anywere,or broken down car problems,wonderful invention..great day sir..ps..i subsribed and will show this to all my many friends in NY who ride ebikes..
My city actually promotes E biking. They have these banks of rentable E bikes all over town. So they’re making money off of it. You know what they say - follow the money. But there’s also this environmentalism/sustainability mindset that permeates everything where live… they view cycling as a way to get more people out of cars… 🤷♂️
Thanks for watching Scott. The bad rap is coming from these mics getting faster and faster. Most cities will not promote this if they’ve got kids out, riding down the road on bikes that are capable of 40 or 50 mph. My big issue is that when they call for a band it is for all E bikes.
The first year I bought an ebike, it kept 700 miles off my truck. My county in Northern Arizona, considers all ebikes bicycles. It'll never happen in my small town.
@@Doc.Holiday I agree that is a big issue. But because we know not, everyone is going to take on responsibility. Another issue is that the city leaders do not understand the difference in some of these bikes. Some of them are basically bicycle with an existing motor. Some of them are also basically an electric motorcycle with pedals. I really have no problem with any of them. But I will say if the politicians knew there were a difference between them, a large chunk of E bikers would be left alone when these rules come down. I happen to ride what is more of a bicycle. I would be more than happy to fight for everyone’s rights to ride an electric motorcycle if I did not have to fight for myself.
@@Doc.Holiday Absolutely agree. Common sense is so un common these days it should be considered a super power. Where's a persons self control these days. No accountability for ones own actions is why where in this situation now.
I simply make sure that I never speed by people, or surprise people, and I am always polite and friendly. I give right away to anyone and everyone because I am battery powered. Beyond that I do not give a damn about rules! I keep my earbuds in and act like I don't hear people and just keep on riding. E bikes are mainly ridden by older people who feel like they have a newfound lease on life! Leave them alone! All activities come with risks.
I cannot say anything that you said is wrong. And thank you very much for watching. I’m afraid the statement that you made about leave them alone, will not end up happening though. You know there’s gonna be somebody out there that has a stick where a stick should never be And that’s where the problem starts.
@@markstevens4264Funny thing is, they said the same thing about those new fangled motor-cars ( you’ll scare the horses) And the time horseless carriages arrived at an intersection, at the same time, Or, Got caught a whooping and a-riding, back and forth over the carriage roads, banjos in arm, making a racket that could be heard in the next county. What happened? Traffic lights, Traffic laws, Stop Signs, And the Police & Sheriffs to enforce them. -- Now think if what you said was made law back then… We’d all be riding horses, and the streets would be paved with horse-pucky. 😅😮😅😮😅 😂😉😎
@@markstevens4264a class 1 e-bike is limited to 20mph without a throttle. Class 2 is 20mph with a throttle. Class 3 is limited to 28 mph without a throttle. Anything else is undefined. Also the limit for motors on bicycles is 750 watts in the US, 500 watts in Canada and 250 watts in Europe. Europe also doesn’t allow throttles. Anything over 750 watts is either a Moped, or a Motorcycle in the US. I only rode on the Mickleson trail once so far and saw one other bicycle, but I thought they had some sort of enforcement since you have to pay to ride on it. On my local trail there is a speed limit of 15 mph, but there is rarely any law enforcement on the trail and unassisted road bikes routinely ride faster, but I’ve only seen motorcycles on the trail twice. Once electric and once gas. Neither group were going over 20mph, but they still shouldn’t have been there
Part of the problems is not giving a damn about the others rules. Picking and choosing what rules you choose to follow is absolutely a ridiculous statement on your part. Kinda sounds like what I would have said at 12 yrs old.
@@thomas5495 as long as I'm not harming or disturbing or jeopardizing the safety of others I really don't care. There are way too many rules that are based on fear and assumptions and they are not practical and they are not fair.
There you go talking that foreign language of making sense to politicians that don’t speak foreign languages. Lol. Thank you much for watching and you are correct.
I’ve ridden bikes since I was 8. I am now in my 50s and still ride everything from mtb trails to rail trails. I remember fighting for trail access in my area forest service and blm land, and having to constantly clarify that mtb were not motorcycles. On my local rail trail and mtb trails, almost everyone who has an e bike will blast past families with small children, pets, or “slower” traffic with no regard. These trails are intended for non motorized traffic. I will NEVER ride an e bike. I do not mind slowing down in my later years. Asking for officials to differentiate between different classes of e bikes is ludicrous. Non motorized means no motor. E bikes in any form are a motorized vehicle and should only be on routes designated as such. Don’t like it? Get out and start advocating in your area for e bike specific trails and rules. Do the work. Get out and sweat and build those trails. Oh, I also can’t stand road bikers that don’t follow road rules. I put thousands of miles a year on public roads and stop at stop signs, ped crossings, and follow the rules as I would driving. I have seen some really obnoxious riders in my day.
Well, that’s interesting what you see in your area. Because I see many more cyclist, passing ebikers. The vast majority of people on E bikes that I see here in the mid Atlantic are older couples, and or individuals who are out for a leisure ride to enjoy the outdoors. Maybe we should ban the cyclists that are going to fast
You must live a frustrating life living in a world where people don’t behave to your standards. All the lamplighters told folks that electricity was going to burn their towns to the ground and street lamps should only be touched by professionals. Law enforcement has real issues to take care of besides slow people being scared.
@@hostentroffmei8258 I assume this was your towards the original post here, not me. Just to be clear my talking about banning regular cyclist with sarcasm. Thanks for watching.
I was a victim of ebike bans in Southern California. A few years ago I built myself en ebike and rode it without problems for a long time. Getting my kid to school in the back, commuting to work 10 miles, returning to pick up my son, buy some groceries etc. I could spend weeks without needing to start my car. The same my other son, who was 13-14 at that time. I bought him a high power and high range ebike and he used it as a means of transport. He could make as much as 40-60 miles per day visiting friends, going to the skatepark, going to adjacent towns to hang out on the pier or have ice cream etc. He made around 8000 miles in one year and made a lot of friends with whom he was able to explore the area. This was our perfect time: no gasoline, no traffic jams, no noise etc. But then, suddenly, cops started enforcing ebike laws and instead of giving warnings or even some low fines ($60 or so) they started impounding the ebikes immediately. You needed to pay around $300 to get your ebike back. Kids were in despair because their daily routine, their friendships got cut abruptly. Many parents, including me, decided to factor in the cost of impound into the ebike usage, assuming no more than one impound every 2 months. So guess what... They raised the price to around $1500. So the kids started driving cars and the fun was gone.
I hear ya. Back in the early 80s I was very heavy into off-road motorcycle racing. This is when the three wheelers started to become popular. In 1988 they banned the sale of all three wheeler’s throughout the United States. The best advice I can give you is make sure That your politicians get to hear you. Remember, they are our servants not our masters. But if we do not communicate with them, it becomes partially our fault. Thank you much for watching.
@@johnrob3215 The thing is that in the US ebikes are classified by speed, power and presence of pedals. The limits are so low that they basically convert a legal bike into a toy instead of something that might soon replace a car in warmer climates and short distances. If I were to be legal, my bike would be unusable for the most important thing which is replacing a car. So my bike is bigger, has really a lot of batteries, thick tires etc. I have around 100 miles of range. So I used it for around 3 years to go with my wife to the beach, take my son to school, go shopping etc. I used it not apart from a car but INSTEAD and this is probably a pain in the ass for the government (no registration tax, no fuel tax etc.). So one day I got stopped as I was dropping off my son to school and got a citation for operating a motorcycle because the officer assumed it is one. He immediately told me that if he assumed it's a motorcycle then I would be cited for not having a motorcycle license, cited for not having motorcycle insurance. A total of $1200. I am glad the judge thought that these assumptions are ridiculous and cancelled everything but you see the trend. The good things about ebikes is that they are quiet, don't release fumes and you can ride along the beach and people don't mind, you can go right down to the beach and people don't mind etc. But cops do mind. An alternative to a car is a big no-no because there's no money for the state.
I'm old and sometimes I bite off more then I can chew. So on the way back my knee will start to lock up. Without the throttle I wouldn't be able to get back.
I hear you. And the classifications right now, you can have that throttle. I am not against a throttle, nor am I for one. What I am for, is placing a line in the sand, so that when the regulations come down because of some of these ultra high power and high speed ebikes. It does not come down on those that are not riding them. Thanks for watching, God bless and I hope your knee continues to do better.
@@southernebiking I own of three so-called high-powered e-bikes. We call them by their proper name electric dirt bikes. And we haul them every week in the back of a pickup or on a trailer to a designated OHV staging area. And that is the problem in a nutshell these kids that buy them do not have the interest or the vehicles to haul them out to the staging area so what they do is they ride up and down the street on bike lanes and on bike paths wheeling and basically being hooligans. And that my friend ruins it for the rest of us. As is often said the few spoil it for the many
Sounds like a great reason to collect a local registration fee, and implement regulations. E-bikes are no more dangerous than regular bikes if ridden properly. But the government always feels they can legislate common sense. I live in NH, and they were one of the first to enact e-bike laws that made sense. But there’s no money in that. We’re not punishing the innocent along with the guilty. Can’t have that can we? Not in America anyway.
You got it Robert. As soon as something becomes popular enough now you start to charge. I wonder what else is like that. Hey go ahead try some of this, don’t worry about it. You can have it. Next time it’ll cost you. Thanks so much for watching. Enjoy your day.
I remember about 15 years ago. When the big story was how all cell phone batteries We're going to explode while we were talking on them and blow all of our heads off. I still haven't seen anyone walking around without their head. Thanks for watching
@@southernebiking But!! We have witnessed a lot like a lot of battery failures and fires for both electric cars and mass produced e bike and scooter batteries also catching on fire. They can burn a 10 story complex on fire and kill everyone inside. It does happen there are more than a small sample of cases. This is what I base 1 of my opinions on.
Some of these so-called e bikes don't even come with pedals, but with pegs. And many of them are so awkward to pedal, they force you to just throttle. I predict manufacturers will have to come up with more stealthy type, class 1, no throttle e bikes and the sales will plummet.
And these are the ones that are going to cause the greatest amount of problem. It’s kind of a gray area on these ones that are not really built to paddle but they’re only going to 20, that’s a class three. That’s why I actually do like your idea of if it has a throttle it is no longer an E bike. Just think it’s a little bit too late for that to come in the place though. Thanks for watching Pedro.
@@southernebikingif something doesn’t have pedals it’s not a bike. It’s a motorcycle. The gray area is two wheel vehicles with more than 750 watt motors that do have pedals to avoid registering as a motorcycle and insurance. Then additionally not having turn signals and things to be road legal. I don’t know what regulations are for mopeds, but these seem to fit in that category. I did build a trike that has a 750 watt motor and can throttle to 28mph which is not in any defined class. I usually am pedaling around 10 mph and only use the throttle to get across streets. The trike I ride the most has a 500 watt motor and only delivers 50% output to the throttle, so the motor can assist to 20mph, but the throttle only goes to 10mph. I initially didn’t have the throttle but added it later after I had an incident where I couldn’t pedal and was in the woods with a lot of mosquitoes that could suddenly keep up with me. Throttles aren’t allowed in Europe at all, but people add them discretely.
@@kenmcclow8963 I cannot disagree with anything that you have said here. My biggest concern is that gray area that you speak about. And my concern stems from the fact that these towns will place restrictions on e-bikes because of the ones that are in the gray area. Notice the town down in Florida banned e-bikes, not just undefined e-bikes. So my push is to have people educate these politicians so that they know there is a difference in a wide spectrum of e-bikes. Thanks much.
In the USA, ebikes can travel alot faster than in the UK and Europe which is dangerous on shared paths. In the UK you are limited to motor assistance upto 15.5 mph and a 250W motor. You can get more powerful motors but it becomes classed as a scooter , not allowed on cycle paths and requires a licence , insurance etc. On top of the above, there are quite a few videos on youtube in america of thrill seeking youngsters riding wrecklessly on insanely powerful ebikes which are really e motorbikes, putting pedals on them to fool the police, hitting speeds of around 50mph. An ebike can weigh alot, especially when you add the weight of the rider which will be lethal if hits anyone at speed, a helmet wont help much on who they hit, especially a fragile old woman. I use a motor to help me up hills, not to travel fast, for that I have to use my legs above 15.5 mph where assistance cuts off in the UK.
You are exactly right. And thank you much for watching. If they want to act like that, on their bikes, I really don’t care. What I do care about is because they are acting like this. On their bikes the regulations are going to come in and hit me as well. so my whole deal is keep the class one and class two and maybe even class three ebikes left alone, and as bicycles here in the United States with the same regulations, and the same responsibilities in the same rights as regular bicycles. These other ones, they can do what they want with those. That’s up to the people that are riding them to fight that fight. thank you much for watching. We certainly do appreciate it. While I do like the bikes to go up to a 20 mile an hour. I would much prefer to be limited to a class one bike, which is 16 mph then have all of them have to be registered insured, etc. Again thank you much for watching.
I pull up in a legal AMG that goes 216mph, roll down my window, and roll down window and say to the ebike riders next to me and say:" So their banning ebikes that go 35mp huh?
@@nighthiker8872 thank you for watching. That can actually be a tricky question. A class 1E bike will only assist when you are peddling it and it stops assisting at 20 mph. A class 2E bike can have something like a throttle on it and will stop assisting at 20 mph. A class 3E bike is pedal assist only and it will go up to 28 mph. Class 3 was originally intended to be something like a road bike. That would be the bike that falls under the legal definition of an electric bicycle in the vast majority of states. Unfortunately, the industry is building a ton of other E bikes that do not fall under these classifications, but they are selling them as E bikes. They are giving them out to RUclipsrs, who then show the public how to unlock them and ride them on bike trails, sidewalks, etc. I would say 50% of the E bikes out there today are no more legal on a bike trail than a KTM 450. In other words, they’re not E bikes where the law is concerned. This is where the problem is at.
@@nighthiker8872 by the way, I have no problem if they want to require registration on E bikes that are basically like a little motorcycles. But the ones that are operated like a bicycle, they should leave alone. Again, thank you for watching.
Very good video. I was thinking about addressing this subject myself. Its a terrible tragedy, but a knee jerk reaction to a problem that could have been prevented with some common sense. Current laws are not enforced, it was dark where they collided, the kid was wearing a helmet the lady was not. My question is, were headlights used? What speeds were involved, what laws are in place that were not enforced already?
I agree 100%, there are way too many questions that needs to be answered before passing such a law on banning e-bikes. My e-bike is my main source of transportation, I don't drive and the buses get tonnes of cancellations everyday so they are not reliable. I would be screwed big time, because walking hurts my back.
It is certainly a knee-jerk reaction, Richard. But I think what concerns me more is the fact that they continuously lump all these ebikes together. We need to let these politicians understand that there is a difference. As these bikes are getting faster and faster, there’s gonna come a point where their knee-jerk reaction stays. my goal is to make sure that it does not catch the rest of us. Thanks for watching.
Greetings from the Netherlands. Over half of the bikes sold here are now e-bikes. There has been an increase of fatal accidents amongst cyclists here recently (see the latest video by BicycleDutch), but most of these involved cyclists being hit by motor vehicles, so the answer seems to be more infrastructure that separates cyclists from drivers. A lot of the fatalities involved e-bikes, and a lot of older people ride e-bikes, so there has been some discussion about how to increase safety, but a ban on e-bikes would be unthinkable, and I can't see helmets ever becoming compulsory either. Most Dutch adults have personal liability insurance, but this isn't particularly related to cycling. I pay about $5 a month for mine, so it isn't prohibitively expensive. And of course a lot of people insure their e-bikes against theft and damage anyway. The government and local municipalities are always looking for ways to increase cycling and reduce motor traffic, so a ban on e-bikes (or making helmets compulsory) would really go against this. They also recognise that the benefits of cycling, not just for the health of individuals but also for the economy and the environment, far outweigh the problems caused by accidents. That's a lovely cycle path you're on, btw. (One last slightly unrelated thing. As a European I find it crazy that any American politician should want to ban e-bikes from a place that is awash with guns, ownership of which is fairly unrestricted and which are actually designed to kill people. Maybe you need a constitutional amendment to say that the right of Americans to ride e-bikes 'shall not be infringed'.)
Thank you much. Very well thought out comment. We are definitely blessed with our bike trails here in North Carolina. Thanks much for watching. Enjoy your day.
Make law like 10 mph max on sidewalks, for obvious safety. However, no registration. But make a law making sure it's UL listed, and not crap, like dangerous battery build, etc Constitutional laws need to be placed upon any jurisdiction that seeks to limit our right to transportation! Thanks! 🇺🇸 If people can get away with shoplifting in all the major cities, we should be able to get away with saying "F- you, this is a constitutional right".
As of right now, they have even banned ebikes on public roads. So it is even worse than I knew at the time of filming this which was the day it happened. Thanks much for watching Robert. Hold your public servants accountable.
@rickfenczik4594 Thank you for watching. This particular town has banned all ebikes. My concern is this does set a precedent. And yes, I have spoken with some of the town council members. All ebikes Have been Banned within the community limits
@JohnTate-h1s That is the komoot app. We highly recommend it. We'll probably be doing a video soon on how we build our routes in different areas all over the east coast. Thanks for watching
So how about putting limiters on cars at 75 mph since your not supposed to drive faster than that on any road? Yeah no body wants that just bikes that are pretty much harmless compared to a two ton metal box.
Thank you for watching. The only flaw in your plan is that your idea would make sense. No politician would be interested in something like that. Lol again thanks for watching.
Seriously...... Governments really need to phoque off and let us fend for ourselves and be responsible for our own actions. I'd be willing to bet the woman's own negligence in failing to wear a helmet was a major contributing factor to her injuries causing death. Yes the ebike rider could be wholely at fault for the crash ultimately causing her death but I'd bet dollars to donuts a helmet would have saved her life. These knee-jerk responses to any incident is just a response to do something, anything to say "we responded, look what we did to make you safer."
I would agree. Not only that, but when someone pointed out the fact in their meeting that she was not wearing a helmet. They were booed and escorted out by the police department. They used the excuse that her time was used up, but she was consistently interrupted during her time, and they allowed others to speak of how great this woman was how bad ebikes are plenty of time. Thanks for watching.
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@Whoadayson Check on my channel. There is a phone holder that I just found and got off of amazon for 8 dollars. Actually works very well. As a bonus, it leaves your camera open to use.
the car lobby gets what it wants. ebikes are a great threat to the car industry, at least theoretically. if humans were a different species. but it sure as hell doesnt want that non car shit taking off
Sounds to me like a misunderstanding of what e-bikes are. They assist pedaling, they don't replace it. You have to pedal an e-bike to get it going, and keep pedaling. The "e" in e-bikes just means it's a little easier. Here in Norway, at least, there is a 25 kmp maximum assist - after that the assist stops. Bikes and scooters that move entirely on their own using electric power are different. I can understand wanting to ban them from paths where typically people walk and bike in places where there are users who bike way too fast and don't show consideration for pedestrians. But e-bikes (the e-assist kind) should be allowed in all places where regular bikes are allowed. There are no real grounds for making a distinction.
'Bike way too fast and don't show consideration for pedestrians' sounds more like your opinion than actual fact. Full throttle or not, you can go too fast and be an ahole.. And you know what, I seen more aholes on pedal bikes than on e-bikes and e-scooters. Ebike users, especially the partially disabled, love to have full throttle available and wanting to ban that is just not praxis. There's already a distinction, and that distinction is having pedals, speed limit and wearing a helmet. You can report violations just like any other if you're terrified when you see one.
Devil's Adovocate, e-bike and non-ebike rider here. The San Diego ban seems to be a partial ban. It appears that areas of high pedestrian traffic have banned e-bikes which makes sense. With e-bikes now reaching automobile speeds, mixing e-bikes and pedestrians, including the young children and the elderly, just doesn't seem safe. Not everyone on an e-bike is a safe, defensive rider. Not every pedestrian is observant wathcing out for bikes. Do we need laws to enforce this? Well, this is one of the most litiginous countries in the world. So, yes. When a 70-year old retiree mows down someone's 3-year old baby on a paved path, someone is gonna get sued. I don't think the 3-year old will get sued. Either Mr. Retiree or the city. Period. JMO.
@@mckenziemd I appreciate you watching, and I appreciate that you have chimed in with a thought-provoking comment. My response would be, you have to look at what is defined as an E bike in the law, versus what people are calling a motorized bicycle that they sell. The vast majority of problems are caused by people that are riding Ebikes, that are not falling under the legal definition of an electric assisted bicycle. So they need to start there. A class one E bike is only capable of 20 mph and that is only when you’re peddling it. This is the typical speed that a regular bicycle rides at. I would not have any problem if they would have regulations on bikes that do not fall under the legal definition of an E bike in their particular state. That would be the place to start, not banning all E bikes. Just as a guess, I am pretty sure over 60% of what the industry is selling as a ebike does not fall under the legal classification in most states. Start there. Again, thanks for watching.
I just started looking into ebikes since I lost my license. This banning is bs. We don't ban cars because of a few accidents. I got to get to work and back, and I have a right to survive,.
This is one town so I would not let this scare you yet. But I would also make sure that I spoke with my representation and make sure they are on board with keeping things the way they are with a ebikes right now. Thank you so much for watching and good luck to you, sir.
My opinion would be e-bikes should at least be able to keep up with a fast acoustic pedaling bikes 28 mph. I think the throttle only is a very safe feature when pulling away from red lights or stop signs it keeps you focused on the road instead of trying to get your balance to pedal. Thanks for sharing. :)
Thanks for watching Mike. Honestly, I’m trying to keep my opinion out of this as far as how fast it should go, power, etc.. I believe because they have already established a class one, class two, and class three. This would be the most logical place to create a separation between defined E-bicycles and E-cycles. I just think that would be a fight possible to win. I also think we need to make sure our politicians are aware of the huge differences from one end of the spectrum to the other of ebikes. It is pretty hard to blame them If all they here is E bikes are the problem and have no knowledge that there are different ebikes. Thanks for watching and make sure your voice is heard.
In Australia (varies slightly by state) the throttle must cut out above 6km/hr (walking speed). It does the job of getting started and then pedaling is required.
Many people ride their bicycles safely through town and city streets (I'm one of them). And we largely obey traffic laws. If we see other bicyclists behaving badly, we call them out, because they give all of us a bad name.
I don't see how banning ebikes could be possible under the constitution. Essentially they are banning the people's own property. Most trail are State, city, township, County run. Essentially those trails are taxpayer funded and everyone has paid for them one way or another. How can u ban someone from their own property. Basically it's discrimination on a specific group of people. Banned or not this retired senior will be riding my paid for trails.
Thanks for watching Keith. You need to check my latest video on this. It’s not just the trails, they have banned them from their public roads. I believe they know they are not able to do this, but they’re doing it anyway figuring that no one is going to sue them over it. I I don’t think it would be a case for banning peoples personal property as much as it is a case to move freely. They also have the issue that according to state law ebikes, the defined ones have the same rights as regular bicycles. They have not banned regular bicycles. I do believe they could ban E bikes that are not defined as a class one class two or class three. But they are just figuring no one will go against them and it’s easier for them to just throw a blanket over all of them. Enjoy the rest of your weekend friend.
@southernebiking I agree. I was not really saying it's personal property. It is every taxpayers property. And the next law will be registration fees. How else are we gonna pay for the 10 million illegal aliens, or the billions we give people in other countries to fight their wars and support their retirement funds. Gotta raise fees everywhere.
@AdrepKeith One hundred percent correct keith. Gotta pay that ever increasing government bill. On the Constitution, I was just thinking of what would make a good argument under that, There's also the state law. Not completely sure how well an emergency order overrides that, but I am also not sure you can institute an emergency ordinance over one accident. This is something I'm keeping pretty close tabs on. I don't live in Florida but I believe this could be setting a precedent for a lot of other towns. And as we know there is no shortage of Karen towns in this country
The throttle is a good thing for me, when I need to get across an intersection or just start out before peddling. Don't regulate throttles. I don't use very much, but they are so helpful for this 71 year old e-Biker!!
Thank you for watching steve. I would argue that you should be able to maintain your throttle. But I also must admit that the other side does have a good argument for electric assisted bicycles not to have them. Other than that, they have no argument against already defined. Class 1, 2 or 3 ebike.
Thanks for sharing. This is more than a rush to judgement of ebikers, which isn't new. Ebikers appear to always be guilty. Unfortunately, anything on 2 wheels, even if they have a gas engine, are considered ebikes by some people. (not suggesting the 12 year old wasn't on an ebike) The fact that a 12 year old was on the bike seems more relevant than the fact that it was an ebike. Not sure why they allow kids under the age to be able to hold a drivers license to have access to an ebike. The news article I just read on this accident stated the community is "fed up" with kids ignoring the rules of the road. The key word in the article was "kids" and "ignoring the rules" -- not what they are riding. I can count on both my and my husbands hands how many times someone on a non-ebike almost crashed into us going faster than they should, or not paying attention -- and this is on rail trails! Agree that we need to start letting our representatives know that ebikes are NOT the issue -- it's the riders who need to be policed.
You are exactly right. And thanks for watching. Honestly, the problem is the E bikes are the new kid on the block. So they are the easiest to go after. I also want people to make their elected officials aware that there is a huge difference between an electrical assist and bicycle like many of us, ride, and some of these other E bikes that are capable of up to 70 miles an hour. I wanna make sure when they bring down The hammer, it does not come on our head as well. I would say, in addition to the fact that it is not the Ebike, but the people handling it, but there is a big difference in a lot of these E bikes.
About the throttle. They actually make a bike safer. Because you don't have a delay from so to start. That little jolt you get is actually a control risk. Many in the UK wish they could have throttle at stop lights and crossings because it allows them a more controlled start.
Thank you so much for watching. I tend to agree with you that the throttle’s are not a bad thing. I don’t use one on a light bike. But I would never begrudge someone using theirs at all. I will say it gives people that are against ebikes a little bit of ammunition. other than that, there’s nothing negative about having one. Enjoy your day.
@vmobile890 starting is the most dangerous time for any cyclist. Especially in cities, intersections. Getting up to speed is a thing. Main reason such a thing as an idaho stop exists.
Here in the UK EAPC ,Electric Assisted Pedal Cycles ,for use on public roads and cycle paths, are limited to 15 mph top speed with the motor. If you want to go faster you have to pedal harder.Any bike with a motor larger than 250w is classed as an electric motorcycle or moped and has to be insured, rode with a licence,have indicators and be registered as a moped/mororcycle.Surron type e-bikes are illegal as they are made for offroad use and only allowed on private land.
Thank you for watching and thank you for chiming in from the UK Neil. If things keep going the way they are that is exactly what we are going to be facing here as well. I would like to see it, a class 2 is the same as a bicycle. That would be up to 20 mph. That is the reason I am telling people to get out there and make their voices heard before tighter restrictions. Come down on all of us. Again, thanks for watching.
Out trail speed limit is 15 km/h last summer on on a sting the cops ticketed Running room runners with breaking the speed limit at 5km/h over $440 and 3 demerit points, LOL! Love it, bet that will never occur again!
It's real easy for non riders to make decisions that affect us all. Ultimately we need to get into local politics and represent at city council and try to prevent these arbitrary rulings as more people get into the sport.
Unfortunately paths are getting busier. The accident you mentioned was with an electric scooter that was probably slower than a class 1 bike. I don’t know the facts of this accident and what caused this collision but even a non-e vehicle could cause a fatal crash. Probably lines on every path could minimize accidents.
The Government Should Do Something About Millions Of Americans Who Are Homeless On The Streets Of America 🇺🇸 for real, Instead Of Banning E-Bikes for real, Because The State Of Florida Does have A High Percentage Of Homeless People On The Streets for real, My Brothers And Sisters, And My Friend.
Who'd ever thought that adding an electric motor to a bicycle would ever raise such a stink. Love the information. An Ebike kept me from open heart surgery. No local government Officer speaks up for the benefits of Ebiking. BTW, what trail is this? It Looks great. Lord willing I plan on biking trails around North and South Carolina this summer.
I’m right there with you. And I think there’s an awful lot of people there with you as well that don’t ride these things around like little motorcycles and are getting exercise and great benefits. The trail we are on is called the Neuse river trail near Raleigh, North Carolina. North Carolina does do a really good job on it bikeways. The Raleigh area, which is not far from us has approximately 200 miles of cycling trails. Charlotte is very similar. Winston Salem as a good amount of trails as well. South Carolina does have a pretty good Nettwerk of rail trails. Thanks much for watching. And good luck with your health.
One huge problem is that on too many bikes, you can easily over-ride the class 1,2,3 restriction and have access to the motors' full power. E-bikes where never intended to be ridden on shared pathways or streets at 70 or 75 kilometres/hr.
@@Ukiah.Spirit you are correct they are not meant to go that fast. That is one reason that I have advocated for pedal assist only. But a speed limit, would handle all these issues with no problem. Thank you much for watching.
ALL, Secluded bike and walking paths, (NEED) live, cameras, that all the people in the community can tune in, 24/7. PLUS, marks where help can get there in seconds.
I think more than money this is about somebody who had a grudge against the e-bikes. Don't know if it was because of youngsters running around being unlawful or something else. But it was someone who has some power in this community. Notice I am not saying he has earned power. Some folks know just which button to push to get what they want done regardless of what it does to others. Our job is to know how to disable that button. Thanks for watching.
I am glad you are doing your best to bring attention to this important matter. The one aspect that I did not see addressed was the fact that many of these types of accidents could have been avoided if municipalities would have invested in the proper infrastructure to enable safer riding. How many of us end up riding on the sidewalks because there are no bike lanes on the road? How many accidents have occurred where distracted drivers hit bicyclist on busy streets where there is no other way to ride a bike. I am seeing municipalities replacing their narrow sidewalks with multi-purpose paths which are wide enough to support bicyclist and pedestrians., but this takes money and often times other needs win out. So, it will take decades to get the proper infrastructure in place. Many European countries are way ahead of us on the infrastructure they provide. I recently visited Vancouver and was amazed at the fact that they have dedicated and entire car lane in the most congested area of the city to allow for bicycles & ebikes to travel in. It has reduced downtown traffic by 50% and the significantly improved their air quality. It was very controversial at first, but now everyone loves it. I think as more and more people adopt e-bikes government will have to take notice. It would probably be a good idea to get all government officials to ride an e-bike for a couple of weeks and then make their decisions.
Thank you for watching Rick. I agree with you 100%. We do need better infrastructure. I cycled in Washington DC and was quite impressed as it is easier to get around on an E bike than it is in a car. This is the reason that I referenced people for bikes. They seem to be advocating for this in a lot of cities. Honestly, it’s just beyond what I can do on my own. Again thanks for watching.
I regularly hike & (pedal) bike on a local long distance trail near me and I have had a few concerning encounters with e-bikes. The trail isn't narrow but people do need to be aware of oncoming traffic. In addition, there are several curves - not sharp but there is limited visibility to oncoming traffic. I pedal at about 15 miles per hour on my bike and I am able to keep aware so that I don't surprise anyone. I don't think I would want to go any faster on the parts of the trail where visibility is limited. The encounters that I have had with e-bikes has been with people going a little too fast for those sections of the trail. I think the bikes were at least class 2 as I have seen people "motoring" without pedaling. There haven't been accidents that I am aware of but people do need to watch their speed for the safety of others. I also suspect that the advent of ebikes is allowing people who normally would not bike to "just go" - that IS a good thing, but I don't think those people appreciate the safety aspect of riding at those somewhat fast speeds. Pedal bikes naturally limit them. I would at least like to see some sort of mandatory safety training for ebike owners. I know that would not cure every concern, but I do think most people would be reasonable if they were made aware of the concerns.
Thank you for watching and for a well thought out comment. The majority of e-bikers that I see in this area are older individuals or couples out for a leisure ride so I rarely see them going more than about 15 miles an hour. My wife and I stay right about that as an average. My wife is also a regular hiker. Our experience in this area has actually been that more road cyclists are traveling fast then ebikers. I understand that they do have quite a little experience. But they are also riding with her head down for aerodynamics so they do not see far in front of them. They also do not warn people when they pass by as they don't want the weight of a bell on their bike. And do not slow down very often because they do not want to lose the momentum they have build up. I'm not trying to make a case that e-bikers are safer than road bikers. I am just saying, it is an individual thing where people don't necessarily use what used to be called common sense, but is no longer very common. So I think the argument could be made both ways. I very often hear about people going around throttling e-bikes. But I honestly have not seen very much of that. We have traveled well over 3,000 miles in the Mid-Atlantic on mostly bike trails. Maybe this is going on out on the roads, maybe we've just been fortunate that we've not run across much of it. I would agree with you though, education is a good thing for anybody. Well I may need to add in that is good if it's real education. Lol and not propaganda. Again thank you very much for watching and thank you for a well thought out and respectful debate. Way too little of that here on RUclips. Enjoy your evening.
I just looked at the analytics on this video, and the average watch time is right around the six minute mark. Please watch through this entire video as there is quite a lot of information in this. We are only clocking an extra nine minutes. We very much appreciate this.
Listening on headphones and you voice only comes out of the left side. Maybe that's why.
Re the 6 min ave watch time…I’m 100% on your side on this issue but when you don’t have clarity of facts about the tragic accident or say “I’m not on top of the world right now and haven’t done research” and “I THINK it’s 20mph for class 1, maybe it’s a little lower…” (class 1 & 2 are 20mph) right around the 6 min mark, ppl will signed off. Your making a great point, don’t apologize or discount your intended message which has great points about helmets and “undefined e-bikes”! E-bikes are bringing people back to a great mode of commuting or exercising, keep making great arguments and educating so the uninformed politicians don’t make uneducated, knee-jerk reactions to a great evolution of biking.
@@ratpup I do appreciate that and it is noted. Thanks much for watching. The day that this happened I just had a cancer treatment but I did want to get this video put together to go out on Monday. That's why I told people I was not completely on top of the world. I did not want to give the false impression that I had looked into this extensively. Thanks very much, I will definitely keep this thought in mind as well.
message is well received. I've listened to the entire thing. Your style is jawboning and it is not clear if the rest of the time will deliver a new point or simply rehash the same old points. I suggest making up a talking point list and perhaps reviewing at the onset what you are going to cover (30 seconds), then go into the message and deliver your points in order. Thanks for putting this together
@@davidressler4292 I appreciate the advice. Will certainly look closer at it. The day I did this video, I just had a cancer treatment the day before, so I was a bit drained at the time of shooting it. But I did wanna get this video together, so that’s why we did it. that being said, I have been known to go on and on about the same thing a time or two. So I will certainly see about improving on that. Thanks for respectful critique. It’s much appreciated David.
How about faulting the individual person that does something stupid, rather than faulting everyone as a whole.
Good point. It's not the bike it's the rider.
That's not how laws are made, what they do for one they must do for all. When you see fools going around acting jackass on these bikes let them know you're a biker too and want them to knock it off.
@@BillySBC Yes, tell people being idiots to knock it off but as iankelly3081 pointed out, it's still the rider and not the bikes so there was no need to ban the bikes.
@@NickFrom1228 Tell that to the general public that wants the a-holes with the electric bikes off the sidewalks and out of the road. Like anything else, fools will ruin it for everyone.
On ur video u show going right thru a stop sign
3,394 lives lost to cars and trucks in Florida last year: nothing done. 1 life lost in accident involving an e-bike: e-bikes banned. And the person who died would have done so in a collision with anything. Hypocrisy much?
Of course, it is hypocrisy. But it’s not going to change until you let your politicians know statistics like this. Everybody keeps saying oh this is crazy. Oh, they can’t do this. Guess what they are. Irregardless, thanks for watching and please let your public servants know how you feel about this.
" reg-u-la-tions" are NOT Laws, SHOVE YOUR "RULES".
BAN CARS, BAN PEOPLE, BAN EVERYTHING 😂
We are becoming an illogical society. I’m left feeling like Spock more-and-more every day. Statistically speaking.
@@DOCWHOK9 that is good in theory. But then you’re the one left to fight it.
Ironic that Florida has NO helmet law for motorcycles, yet are fine with all the motorcycle deaths….. it’s all about control
No gas, no oil, no license, no registration, no tax, no insurance, no cut for the government...can't have that.
Bull’s-eye. Thanks for watching. You are completely correct.
I get it, but stuff like this more a matter of emotional reaction and attempt to appease public outrage than trying for monetary gain. I think they are more concerned about losing local votes if they appear to have done nothing.
That being said, an outright ban is definitely an over reaction, hopefully with enough communication with the local ebike community can lift the ban and help implement more rational regulations.
Shows you that all the talk of "going green" is just one gigantic money grab. There's no other mode of transportation greener than an e-bike.
Maybe a pedal bike? @@farmerjohn2262
Spot on
Imagine if we banned cars for 60 days after every accident where someone died . . .
Exactly. Thanks for watching
@@Robert-jd6po first off let me say thank you for watching Robert. And thank you for putting a crossed a reasonable debate. Secondly, it is written in the state statutes that local municipalities can control their sidewalks and bike paths and restrict them from ebikes. They are also doing this on public roads. Thirdly, and make no mistake. My prayers are with the family of the person who passed. But they are using. This is nothing but a weapon. They are completely swept under the rug that she was not wearing a helmet. When someone tried to bring up this fact in a town meeting discussing this, they were booed out and escorted out by the police. That is not sound like people are looking for change for the betterment of everyone. That has more ringing of a mob. And lastly, the state statute defines what is an E bike. If in fact they were having problems with the youth in this town. I can almost promise you it is not on what is legally defined as an E bike. So instead of taking care of true culprits, they have decided to throw a blanket over everything. This is my problem with what they are doing in this town. Not completely sure of the legality of banning these on the road. Because defined E bikes are considered the same as a bicycle, with the same rights. That would be kind of like banning a blue Mustang, because one was in an accident. I do not believe the law allows you to react that way. Again, thank you for watching.
A mechanic at a bike shop said he rides an ebike because he lost his licence.. dui. Car drivers have a licence and insurance. In BC ebikes have neither. Ebike batteries have blown windows out of residences and killed some in close quarters. So sure, do some investigating before you unleash unregulated ebikes on the road, and being fast and silent, they have no business on a sidewalk either.
@sscbkr48 And your investigation is " A bike mechanic said"
@@southernebiking It is in the news. Search for it and you will find it easily.
ridiculous, people have been dying on bicycles for decades and i don't see them being banned, also in cars, motorcycles, agricultural machinery, planes, in bathtubs. people die all the time yet one person dies in a electric bike accident and they want to ban them. unbelievable.
Thanks for watching Dan. As I am sure you already know, this is not about some person who had an accident. It is about this particular person having an accident and knowing someone at a high level. Sad that this is the way things work. Enjoy the rest of your evening.
Liberal mentality.
@@garybregel1572 thank you for watching Gary. On the surface I would certainly agree with you as it certainly falls under that same category. Believe it or not, this town is considered to be conservative, and it is a Republican senator that they have working with them to do this. I guess it just falls back to what I have said long ago the, the only right, and left in politics, is nothing more than the right cheek, and the left cheek of the same tail end.
@@garybregel1572: In Flori-DUH?!?! YOU’RE DUMB! 🤐
@@garybregel1572 in Florida? More like the opposite surely
There's a teenager in my town that speeds around on his 60mph Sur-Ron ebike.
People like him are going to ruin it for everybody.
Yeah, but if you ride one you will understand what that teenager is doing. It is the time of your life! They are so damn fun!
@@Riceman-o1pI’m fine with Sur-Ron’s, but they need to be registered and insured as they are motor vehicles and not bicycles.
@@Scomelbasses no can-do. They do not come with titles and there is absolutely no way to register them or get them insured.
@@Riceman-o1p then something else will have to be done, maybe require Sur-Ron to lower the power to conform to the bike classifications or require them to have vin numbers and titles. As they are, they're not legal for the road or trails in most places.
@@Scomelbasses probably not gonna happen. No one in my area cares. Cruising on the streets or on the trails in five different cities and no one pays any attention as long as you're being friendly and courteous. I ride past cops all the time on mine and never once have they stopped me. I also have a scooter that go 45+ mph, and an electric unicycle that goes even faster than that. I ride my electric unicycle down main street at 35 miles an hour and the cops don't even look at me. I also have an electric skateboard that goes over 30 miles an hour. And I installed a chip on my electric mountain bike to override the 20 mile an hour speed limiter.
The establishment is so afraid we're going to travel for free.
Surely not. Are they not for we the people? I might wanna be quiet before they start taxing the air I breathe. Thanks for watching and enjoy your evening.
Don’t worry, they’ve got plans for taxing the air you breath!@@southernebiking
The Kings land, is defined by the Kings rules, YOU WILL PAY PEASENT ! *SPITS EVERYWHERE WHILE EATING A CHICKEN LEG THE SIZE OF A TURKEY*
BINGO!
this was great and clearly demonstrates the need for classification, certification and safety advocacy. the metro suburb valley i live in has a bike path that runs the entire length with many under crossings and protected signals at major roads. if the community adopted cycling as a means of transportation we are going to see a massive rise in single and multi cyclist injury. i think we will see dash cams become standard to prove fault because healthcare is so expensive (usa)
A girl tourist got drunk and hit a bride and groom on a golf cart in my town and killed the bride. They didn't ban golf carts, alchohol or weddings or tourist. But somehow it makes sense to ban ebikes after one accident.
You are correct it does not make sense. And yet they are still doing it. This is why I am trying to get this information out as I can to talk to your representation. Thank you so much for watching.
To be fair the person in the car was going 60mph in a 35mph zone. Why not ban cars on that island?
@@Ruhan885 No, it’s not a stupid comparison because no one is blaming the golf cart yet these idiots are blaming the ebike. It’s the BEHAVIOR that should be regulated, not the inanimate object.
@@rwent1,… you can talk until you are blue. First know that I’m 70 but graced but still have the ability to reason. When people get old they suffer from arrested development. E-bikes are foreign to them. Simple old minds are not capable of critical thought. I talk to old people a lot. They just aren’t capable of understanding anything but simplicity. Banning e-bikes is a shiny object they can grasp.
Driving a golf cart drunk is already illegal. Please try again
I live in downtown Memphis TN. I walked to the post office last Saturday to mail a letter. Two 4-wheelers sped up behind me and missed me by inches ON THE SIDEWALK. Ebikes are being singled out for bullying. -- I am just now looking into getting an ebike as an alternate means of getting to work (8 miles each way). With 2 bad knees and a heart condition, an ebike is the only way biking will be possible at all. But, I have to use alternate transportation on Fridays. Twice now, I've nearly had a heart attack chasing a city bus because it blew right past the stop like I wasn't even there, waving down the driver even. I think the message is: Drive a car, buy gas/oil, and buy insurance, or lose your job... or just die on the side of the road anyway, chasing a effing bus that ignores you. They don't care which, so long as somebody makes a dollar.
Good luck with it friend. I think the E bikes are being singled out because they have not charged enough money to us for riding them yet. Stay safe.
Why bother with it- ride it! Screw it so what we outnumbered by car drivers that just don’t like us just because our numbers low and if it was reversed cars would be having same thrown at them. So go ahead.. just politely say no!
WoW! Your comment was so interesting to read because I live in a small-town MI and have the same medical issues, as well as others. I've been looking into E-bikes for years and became more determined lately because the city bus system not only seem to hate to see me coming with my electric or manual wheelchairs... meaning the driver will have to buckle them down, get up out of thier seats, and possible be late getting to connecting buses for their transfers. They absolutely been late before they ever got to my stop, and I have even gone so far as to sit on the seat, so they can do the least, yet they use me as an excuse,
Also, they have recently changed the whole bus schedule after getting the whole whatever extra funds for Covid where we were able to ride for free, they then decided that they could not find any new drivers, so they are now not running on the weekends, stopping all rides at 3pm, instead of 6pm, and only running every hour, not half hour. They took out many stops and have gone through so many drivers who they claim did not have the right attitude for the work. Of course it was all the kind, polite ones that go so quickly.
Anywho I elect to use my manual chair so that I can use my legs and get up to stretch, get my blood flowing, and work up a good heart rate, as I have AFIB. I wonder if I could handle riding an E-Bike but it's my last opportunity to stay active, get out sometimes to get away from a neighbor who illegally smokes in the apt under me. As I have a few disabilities working against me, I am very concerned that this is just another way to dive into the elderly's funds and keep us reliant in a way that they can track us and any money we get. Someone at the bus garage has the driver of bus i get on call in and let them know every time I get on the bus, by stating where I got on, if I got a transfer, where I'm transferring to, and where I'm getting off. So, this a way of tracking people, where the bikes would give us our freedom & independence back, if I can tolerate it on my spine.
Lastly, I just saw a video where a guy is showing how he just built an E-Bike to go up to 100 miles an hour, SO? Can you imagine what these younger ones could get away with when it comes to police chasing them? I think it would be best the to give more work to construction and road workers to build certain areas that are more bikers only, and bike friendly, so the traffic would be better between them. May restrictions for certain ones on certain paths, but we just can't have the U.S. fighting for climate control, for cleaner air, only to make it cost more than driving, or as much. That seems very counterproductive and lacks respects or concerns for the seniors who need it most.
@@cblu535 You could also take a look at an E-trike. May be just the thing for you.
I'm very disabled back spine actually shifted n I can only get out on a bike to Walk the dog but of course my time out on bike I got pulled over by police n taken off road I'm 58 I was polite but didn want to be I wanted to say try being a prisoner in your home I can't walk see if he ride a bike bet he would
I ride a regular mountain bike..the biggest problems to me are the incompetent motorized vehicle owners,modified ebike owners and the occasional dog that is not leashed
Thank you for watching and thank you for your support. I have no problem with what they do to modified ebikes. I do care about what they do to the ebikes, that have already been defined as the same rights as regular bicycles. Just an FYI, we will be doing another update on this. But this week this town has made an ordinance that makes this ban permanent. I will be doing an update as soon as I can Find a verbiage of their so called ordnance
Infrastructure does not support the e-bikes it’s too new. Skateboards were a problem at one time they made skate parks. People that ski did not like snowboarders they worked out. Same here it’s new it’s taking off. And the same government that is saying we all need to go green is now wanting to ban it unless they can tax you for it.
Thanks for watching. You said at all when your last sentence. That part about taxing us for it. I am just hoping we can leave some of these bikes as they are with the same rights as regular bicycles. Because some of them are just that regular bicycles with a small amount of assistance.
First off the reality is that the people banning low speed electric assistance bikes are ignorant, But a significant % of e bikes are motorcycles. We have had motorcycles longer than cars. Motorcycles have restrictions. So why are we electric motorcycles differently than electric cars? treating traditional bikes like motorcycles by limiting speed is also unfair.
Could just go back to streets covered in horse shit.
I don't think it's a tax issue. I think it's a safety issue.
@@livenhfreereally , people riding motorbikes around with nothing but a bandanna protecting their head and people have safety issues with an assisted bicycle
Yeah, it's really the Surrons making all the trouble plus people not obeying the rules of the road. A Surron at 45 mph running stops signs on a sidewalk is a problem. Banning my 5 to 8 mph e-assist trike on a multi use path is a lesson in overreaching governmental authorities.
You are 100% correct. And thank you very much for watching. The problem is, our politicians, a.k.a. are servants. Do not know the difference between that 45 mile an hour Sauron. And your 8 mph trike with an electric assisted motor. If we have a child, that knows no better, he will make an awful lot of mistakes. It is our job to educate him. Same with our politicians. I think a lot of our politicians. Forget that they are there to serve us. But I also think a lot of our citizens forget they cannot serve us if we do not tell them what we expect. So let your voice be heard. Again, thanks much for watching.
i was hoping one day it would happen just to say i told them so .....and i would love to see their faces now with all there friends .....i just hope the basic ebike laws stay in place and no other laws come my way.....
The dealers should be charged, everything would fall in place.
@@MishaDaBearAnd put even more bike shops out of business?
Watched the jerk on a Surron doing 40+ on sidewalks in Compton California!! It’s on RUclips.
I use to cycle with a group when I lived in Portland, OR. A few of the guys I cycled with, were 70s-80s. These guys were no longer strong enough to ride a standard bike. These guys have been riding all their lives. Owning e-bike gave them the opportunity to cycle in their last stages of life. Why would u take that away fr these guys? I don’t own an e-bike. But I do own & operate an electric scooter.
It's always the reckless ruining it for all. My knees hurt way too much so I stopped riding my bike but with my ebike, I am free again. What about the people flying on the trails on regular bikes with lots of blind corners?
I agree 100%. And thanks for watching James. I get past more by road cyclist that never give a warning then I ever do from the bikers. I am also doing an update on this. I believe it’s going to be coming out next Monday. Again, thanks for watching.
Throttles have nothing to do with safety. On a Class 2 ebike, the throttle can push the bike to 20 mph and no more. On an acoustic bike, I peddle to 25mph easily. And most of the time I go 20mph. Problem is that the police are not even enforcing hemets for kids. They don’t enforce laws that keep kids from riding double and even triple. They don’t enforce the laws that keep people from riding in the wrong direction. They don’t enforce the age limits on underage riding. A 10 year old should not be on an e-bike. So of course the answer is to ban all ebikes instead of enforcing the laws they do have.
Thanks for watching. We have seen this happen before in other areas. Nobody’s following the law so let’s put out another one and surely they will follow this one. Seems to be the mentality that comes out of our politicians anymore. Most, if they ever knew, have long forgotten that they work for we the people. They are supposed to be our servants, not our masters. By the same token, most people have forgotten that they need to let their politicians know what we expect from them. How can a servant serve when no one is telling them what they need to do. I would like to say because of all this they just do the best they can. But I think more accurate would be because of this. They do what’s best for themselves. Again thanks for watching. Enjoy your day.
Unfortunately there’s always going to be people pushing the limits. I go fast, but not near pedestrians or slower traffic.
Politicians need to have their job description explained to them They seem to be quite confused on what their job is.
You are quite correct, Dennis. I also think a lot of us Citizens have not set the expectations for our politicians. Make sure you let them know what you expect of them. Thanks so much for watching. Let them hear your voice and encourage others to do the same. Have a great day.
@@southernebikingthey won't listen, unfortunately. Politicians are just in it for themselves. If citizens came in full force regarding letting politicians understand how class 1, 2, 3 work it would takes years.
@@cryptiedan you are correct. But they are not going to change this on their own. Quite frankly, only way it’s going to change is if we change it.
They know exactly what it is. All governments exist to grab power and become bigger and more oppressive. It is the antithesis to liberty. And people will still be ok with the government getting bigger and bigger.
It's not a free country anymore
If a Bans occurs it should make a clarification between bikes with and without pedal assist. Those with pedal assist should be legal.
I certainly agree with your market. However, most of these city leaders and lawmakers have no idea there is a difference. That’s why we need to educate them. You noticed every single one of the articles I quoted, all said ebikes. Never did acknowledge the different classes. Thanks for watching.
I'd not even follow it and take it to a higher court. They've PUSHED electric vehicles on us and scared us into electric everything and now after we buy 1k-5k dollar ebikes to get around and this happens over one incident? When cars do this every day it seems like discrimination.
@@jdgoesham5381 but I would much rather head this off before taking it to court. We do have experience in a very high court and it is a long tedious battle. Especially when you're going up against something like a state or federal. Yes you can win, yes we did, but I would sure rather not go through that again. Thanks for watching. Make your voice heard now to the politicians instead of later to a judge.
How about just sticking to safe or unsafe riding laws: speed, recklessness , traffic infractions and other sensible policies?
Totally agree with this
This is about banning your freedom to travel quietly and discreetly.
The problem is not the bikes. The problem is young riders with no respect for speed limits, rules or safety. I see this all the time: Kids, often with no helmet, speeding and weaving around other trail users, going randomly on and off the trail as if people are merely obstacles to avoid. And most irresponsible of all, are the parents who buy ebikes for their children, and turn them loose with no training or supervision.
I would agree. The second problem is that city leaders do not want to take on the responsibility of dealing with the Young riders when it is so much easier to just get rid of the ebikes. Thanks for watching.
I agree that bikes are not the problem, just as guns are not the issue; it's the person using such that can be. And, it's not just the kids who are irresponsibly riding about without a care in the world, there are a number of adults who never learned responsibility while growing up. Yet... because someone can drive a car these individuals think they're responsible? With anything comes responsibility and consequences; something many politicians seem to avoid.
I'm disabled and I use my feedback bike to get everywhere. So how's that fair to me
Keep using it man
I support your use
exceptions can always be made just like folks with disabilities can get special parking permits.
The question is not fairness but safety. It's tough to be disabled, so I am sure you would not want somebody else to be disabled by being hit by an ebike.
So are we going to ban cars because someone was hit or disabled in a car accident?@herberthall8082
This is as much an infrastructure problem as it is a regulation problem. There needs to be a separation between cars, bikes or ebikes, and pedestrians. Riding on a "bike path " that is full of pedestrians acting like squirrels on the path is dangerous. Its really a multiuser path. Passing a pedestrian at 15mph that is not situation aware is dangerous. Placing that same bike on the roadway that has no shoulder where cars are going 30 mph is bad too. There needs to be separate infrastructure for bikes!
Thank you for the very well thought out comment Robert. I would agree it is infrastructure and enforcement. My whole reason for this video is to let people know they need to have their voice heard as politicians do not seem to see any difference in any e-bike. There is a wide spectrum of them. On one end just a small amount of assistance and on the other end they are built to be throttled around. But I agree with everything you said here as well. Thanks for watching.
Cities can't seem to have sidewalks, if they do it twists at the corners.
Bicycles (IMO) do not belong on "bike" paths. A misnomer if there ever was one. And certainly not eBikes. Too many people to dodge, folks walking pets, runners, etc. I'm a bike enthusiast. Bicycles belong on the road, obeying traffic laws. I've never had a problem because I behave like a car, respect traffic signals, and always make eye contact with other drivers. If we do these things, we can coexist peacefully. Anyway, eBikes are a new class of vehicle. The law needs to catch up.
@@livenhfree be careful driving on the road. Lots of drivers out there with their heads buried in their phones or fiddling with car electronics.
@@johnstack5008 Very true, and I think moreso with car tech. I just got a brand new vehicle and the distractions are worse than the phones.
I started mountain biking back in the mid 80's. Since then I've watched mountain bikes go from being ignored in the beginning to being banned in a lot of places and now back to being ignored. Ebikes have been around long enough that they've attracted the attention of the haters. The new shiny thing to be angry at. Eventually they'll just be ignored again as their popularity and numbers increase. The real ISSUE here is REGULATIONS on everything all the time. Too much government involvement in every aspect of our lives.
Can't allow a device that can get you around from A to B without paying heavy taxes now can we??
Especially if they become popular. IE more people to tax.
Just ride a pedal bicycle. Better for you health too than being a slob on an ebike.
Yep, need to find a way to spend all of the thieving money in the form of taxes on Pet Projects and ways to bloat the bureaucracy.
@@billmartins5545 I’m taller, skinnier, and younger than you. And I ordered an e-bike for fun. You know nothing and should keep your mouth shut.
@billmartins5545 Slob on an ebike: What does that make all car and motorbike riders, public transport noobs
I learned it happened when it was dark, this is a knee-jerk reaction by this mayor, what if the boy had been on a normal bike? It says nothing about how fast he was going. What they need to do is keep those under a certain age from riding these e bikes. When i was 12, I wanted to go faster, but my bike or legs would not allow it. Now they can. Dangerous that they can do so by twisting a throttle.
Exactly... because 60 yr olds vote, 12 yr olds do not.
How about bike path speed limits for all bikes. I have had encounters with regular bike rides going 30 mph on sidewalks.
I have had the same encounters Jeffrey. The message I am trying to get out to folks right now is to let city leaders and lawmakers know that there are many different types of E bikes out there. If you notice, most of the time they all get lumped together as one. Maybe if we could educate our public servant, they would start distinguishing between different types of the bikes. Thank you much for watching. We do appreciate it.
E-Bikes do not belong on side walks, period.
@@ohwell2790 well that is as well thought out as car driver saying bicycles do not belong on the road period. Do regular bicycles belong on the sidewalk?
@@ohwell2790 Hey, if the 45 mph road has lots of traffic but no shoulder, I am going to ride my e-bike on the sidewalk --- at a slow speed, of course, and pedestrians will get the right-of-way.
They was probably going 15mph I highly doubt 30
The problem with the bans is that people bought these items in good faith when they were legal !
You are exactly right. I wonder how well they could use grandfathered in clause. Thanks for watching.
the problem lies with the nanny state, not the purchaser. home of the free?
Kinda like guns😂
And some people will probably still use them discretely during the ban
When you ride e-bikes you don’t spend money on gas, insurance ect. That’s a no no!
You don't spend money for those things with pedal bikes either. Is anyone banning pedal only bikes?
I don't think so Tim...lol
Also they ticket us for seatbelts and window tint and all the other vehicle code revenue generators for the state.
@@-BUFFALOMan not going to happen.
@@-BUFFALOManDream on.
I'm a lifelong cyclist and own an e-assist bike now that I'm 73. I do think that some of this is brought on by too many bad actors among those who ride. The higher speed, purely throttle operated e-bikes really do not belong on multi-use paths and similar places. Put an immature boy with poor judgement on one of those and it's a recipe for trouble. It's important to make the distinction among the classes of e-bikes. A bike that tops out at 20 and only assists pedaling can fit into a path environment but a top speed of 28 with throttle alone is really an electric motorcycle and should only be on the road.
@@suzettewelch9953 thank you for watching. I agree with you. I think the industry is also marketing bikes to the younger crowd and pushing using the throttle. Technically, any bike that goes more than 20 mph, is not supposed to have a throttle on it at all. That would make a bike that tops out at 20 with a throttle and 28 with pedal assist not legally an E bike. Bike that goes to 28 throttle, there again in the legal terminology it is not considered an E bike and so it is not allowed on bike trails, multiuse trails, etc. I will actually be doing a video about this before too long. I suspect I will get a lot of bashing over it. But I really see the industry trying to market these like they are two wheel golf carts that you can ride on sidewalks and bike trails, etc. That is going to ruin it for those of us that are looking to ride an electrical assisted bicycle. My interest is to ride a bicycle. At my age and what I’ve done for a living majority of my life, my body cannot take the heavy strain, so I use a motor to assist in my pedaling. I don’t use a throttle at all, though I do have 2 bikes that have them. Thank you very much for the comment and keep the wheels rolling. Have a blessed evening.
In the 1970’s Springfield , Il decided residents needed to plate and register their bikes. 10 speeds were becoming popular and being stolen regularly. I lived in a village bordering the city. Law didn’t apply to us. Law was a failure. Theft stayed up and it was too expensive to enforce. Illinois has a pretty good e and regular bike law. Have to be 16 to ride an ebike. But don’t need a helmet. Or insurance. If your city is more restrictive, complain to your cities leaders.
Thank you much Gary. And you are exactly right in your last sentence. This is what I am trying to get people to understand. Most of these politicians have forgotten they are our servants. But it’s very easy for them to forget if the citizens forgot as well, and do not have any expectations of them. Thanks for watching.
Give me a break. This push is all about the lobbyist for the insurance agencies so we are by law extorted to pay them or be harassed and eventually arrested in the near future as well. The GOPee hard at work.
You’re comparing regulations for theft with safety???
@@huckfin1598 license plates and registration were done to reduce theft. It failed. How much are they going to spend to enforce safety laws? My town , a state capital, doesn’t even enforce car regulations. Too expensive. We don’t have a helmet law for anyone. We don’t care about safety.
They tried bike licenses where I live for a couple of years back in the 1970s. The program was a total failure. Some still have their retro plastic "plates" though 😅
Class 1: Pedal assist only up to 20 mph. Allowed on all trails, paths, and green lanes. Class 2: same as Class 1. Also has a throttle. Both class 1 and 2 may not be allowed in certain areas due to local city ordinance. Class 3: Peddle assist only (no throttle) up to 28 mph. Helmet required. Only allowed on public roadways and off road areas. Not leagal on any trail, path, or green bike lane.
This is the classifications here in California.
You are correct. I believe this is close to what the classifications are in Florida. However, they did ban all E bikes. My whole purpose for putting this video out is to make sure everyone let your politicians be aware that there is a big difference from one end of the spectrum to the other where these bikes are concerned. If all they hear, is that E bikes, or the problem, then they lump all E bikes in the same category as they make new regulations and ordinances. Thanks so much for watching and make sure that your voice is heard.
Some of these knee jerk rulings are going to be temporary because the traffic patterns would benefit, the environment would benefit, the economy would benefit. And reversals are already happening in the UK lifting Wattage restrictions and throttle restrictions because that didn’t make functional sense. America will follow in a few years, and realize e bikes need to keep up with traffic on urban streets for safety for drivers and e bikers.
Agreed. Thanks for watching. Enjoy your day.
I remember about four years ago I commented on videos of Ebike riders driving recklessly. I said those riders would ruin it for the rest of us who are responsible. Most of the responders called me a Karen and a boomer. Well, here we are.
@@truhunk1 One hundred percent agree with you. Thank you much for watching, and you are correct
More asinine laws! So if that kid hit the 60-year-old on a regular bike, would they be banning regular bikes? I remember when I was his age I could pedal 30 mph and there was no such thing as an e-bike.
Exactly correct. Thank you very much for watching. This is just a knee-jerk Reaction from a bunch of Old folks that don't like kids anymore.
If it was not this, it would be something else.
But they saw this as an opportunity. By the way, they just extended the ban for another 60 days this week.
I wish I lived closer because I would ride my bike down the road.
And let Em ticket me and then take it. To court and have this whole ordinance thrown out
Exactly. I find all road bikes - just ordinary push bikes - are faster than me on my momentum ebike limited to 25km/Hr. I guess they're aiming more at the non-pedal ebikes which can be derestricted to travel above the mandated speed.
Speaking of ebikes and your Neuse River Trail video. We had a fellow cyclist taken down by a ebike on the NRT. The ebike user made an unsafe pass in the middle to overtake another trail user with a line of opposing cyclists. He clipped bars and brought a friend down breaking his collar bone. Physics always wins when dealing with momentum. That 15 pound road bike will always be a no contest against Bowser.
But the entire point of this video is that there is a wide spectrum of ebikes. My personal E bike weighs 12 pounds more than a mountain bike. There are very light E bikes out there as well. People need to quit throwing a blanket over every E bike out there. I have had road cyclist with her head down for aerodynamics in groups of four and five come past us at almost double our speed while on the Neuse River Trail. That does not mean I get the right to throw a blanket statement over every cyclist about how they’re not paying attention just for aerodynamics. do you see where I’m coming from on this? My wife is a hiker and has had her group have to jump out of the way of regular cyclist. Would it be fair for hikers to throw a blanket statement and say no more cycles allowed? Or I have ridden most of the cycleways in the wake county area. One time, I saw what appeared to be a suron. Quite honestly, that is the only time I have ever saw a bike that appears like it was built to be used with throttle primarily on any other Greenways in that area. I am not saying there are not some bikers out there that are using their throttle. But overall in the over 3000 miles I have traveled on cycleways I have not seen much of an issue like I am hearing some people complain about. And I promise you I could complain about the road cyclist with just as many experiences and facts to back it up. but I would prefer not to throw a blanket over everybody and light it on fire. Thanks for watching.
Bingo.
This is a scary video for people who are harmlessly riding ebikes. Thankfully I live in a rural town and my town just passed a law to allow 4 wheelers/ Side-by-Sides/ UTV'S in the town streets so I hopefully will never have to deal with these corrupt/ unintelligent/ uninformed politicians. I appreciate your informartive video here for sure. I hope these laws don't get out of control.
Thank you very much. It sounds as though you live in a town that used to be very common in the United States 40 years ago. Unfortunately, now these towns are not as common. You are 100% correct with the statement of the politicians. Many have forgotten they are there to serve us. Thanks so much for watching.
All is good here, engines,4 wheelers,side by sides, off road vehicles, all allowed to ride on town roads. Of course we still have to obey common traffic laws and rules and use common sense. It's that simple. The freedoms of rural WV. As it should be
@@robertseaburg67 must be a small town. Because that’s where common sense still prevails. You get into the bigger areas, I guess they’re so crowded. They have no room for common sense to remain. If you would not have told me, you was in West Virginia, my guess would’ve been Nevada or Wyoming. A lot of the towns out in the very rural areas remain with common sense. Glad to see there’s still some places here in the east that have it. Have a great day.
My E-bike recumbent has a throttle. Its function is to assist takeoff. If I wanted a bike that I didn't have to pedal, I'd get a motorcycle. I find 20 mph to be fast enough. When encountering someone on a trail, I announce coming and slow way down.
I feel the exact same way. I can afford a motorcycle. If I want to use a throttle that is what I will get. Thank you much for watching.
I wish all riders would ride like you and then we wouldn’t need to worry about our e-bikes being restricted. We are elderly and depend on our bikes to get out and see nature.
In Norway only Class 1 E-bikes are considered bikes for the purpose of riding on sidewalks etc., everything else is considered a scooter, must be registered and have to stay on the road. The rules differ across Europe, but they are generally aligned to something akin to this.
I need my trike for mobility and to save on gas because a store is so close to my house. I hate wasting gas driving my Jeep 4 miles.
And who is gonna enforce the regulations? The cops? I doubt it, I hear and see cars with no muffler, no cat and straight pipes, loud as hell, driving down the street and no one stops or tickets them.
Thanks for watching Pedro. Honestly it’s not important who is going to enforce it. The point I’m trying to make is that these lawmakers need to understand There is a difference in these bikes. At some point they’re gonna make it tough enough on these fast ones that it will be able to be enforced. I wanna make sure those regulations don’t come on us.
in Florida? lol thay will over enforce it florida
The seller!
This goes to show that local governments are full of morons.
Not baned in Iowa and no way they could ever enforce the ban. Not even sure how any community or state could push a ban through so fast.
This was done by the mayor. Most communities, he does have the power to Anak what they call an emergency ordinance. It is typically limited to 60 days and then that 60 days they try and make something more permanent. I understand everybody is saying it cannot be enforced. But it actually can. I will go back to 1988 when they ban the sale of all three wheelers in United States. Guess what, it was enforced. Thank you much for watching. Best advice I could give would be to tell your elected officials how you feel about this.
How about you have to be 17 years old and be a class 1 not over 22 miles per hour. Ocean City doesn’t even allow alcohol sales in their city ! But keeping e bikes off a crowded boardwalk even though bike are only allowed 6-10 am is still a good idea !
@@southernebiking I live where they make up laws and call them 'city ordenaces'.. When my licence was revoked I got a DWR and thrown in jail going to work on 49cc scooter 'motorized bicycle' in Independence Mo..... No beef about the clasification, or cc's or brake hp of scooter but in order to ride one on street you must have valid license. So now I go everywhere ebikes (got 4) and worry about what these cops will do, I got my DL back but the cops around here still hate me and RARELY return impounded items
If they ban ebikes I'll just pay the tickets. Still cheaper than a new car, it's cheaper than insurance... Hell it's cheaper than gas!
Don't not comply with any restrictions of our right to travel.
The only reason regulations will change here is because of people on stand-on scooters that don't have a care in their little minds for other pedestrians, as they zip down footpaths at high speed. There should be a group of people in every city that go after people on e-scooters that ride too fast and without even thinking of others around them, the're ruining it for everyone else that ride safely. My bike does around 35mph but I think I'm pretty safe as I stick to bike lanes and usually ride it off-road if I can, but it's cheaper than owning and fueling a car which is great for me.
This is why they need to be going after the people not the product. They only do that because it’s easier. We have to remember to hold our public servants accountable and make them actually do a job instead of sit around and taking the easy route. Thanks for watching.
Smokey the bear says to prevent forest fires 🔥🥵. We must ban all matches and lighters, to only fire fighters.
That makes about as much sense as banning E bikes and or guns.
I believe there should be better road rules and local training for road driving and town courtesy and riding practices. Education is always key restriction never works.
100%. Thank you for watching. And thanks for the comment. You are correct.
Thank u for your great perspective sir,I'm 68 years old ,live in Brooklyn NY and have been riding ebikes and electric scooters for the past 14 years way before they became popular,I finally gave up driving cars two years ago and just solely rely on getting Around everywhere with these units,I get from point A to point B wayyyy quicker than any car..I would go crazy if ebikes were banded,pray this never happens.god bless
God bless you as well. That is awesome that you have been getting around on these for so long. Make sure that your politicians hear this as well. Remember, they are our servants not our masters. Thank you much for watching.
@@southernebiking thanks for a response sir,you have words of wisdom,i put in over 15,000 miles a years on these units, i keep 3 in my storage unit and two in the front yard locked sucured(people love to steal these)saved thousands of dollars so far,no gas,insurance,reg,free parking anywere,or broken down car problems,wonderful invention..great day sir..ps..i subsribed and will show this to all my many friends in NY who ride ebikes..
Way cleaner than any Tesla!
We too are elderly . Our e-bikes get us where we couldn’t go. Love, love them . High speed of 20mph. I never go that fast.
My city actually promotes E biking. They have these banks of rentable E bikes all over town. So they’re making money off of it. You know what they say - follow the money. But there’s also this environmentalism/sustainability mindset that permeates everything where live… they view cycling as a way to get more people out of cars… 🤷♂️
Thanks for watching Scott. The bad rap is coming from these mics getting faster and faster. Most cities will not promote this if they’ve got kids out, riding down the road on bikes that are capable of 40 or 50 mph. My big issue is that when they call for a band it is for all E bikes.
The first year I bought an ebike, it kept 700 miles off my truck. My county in Northern Arizona, considers all ebikes bicycles. It'll never happen in my small town.
@@Doc.Holiday I agree that is a big issue. But because we know not, everyone is going to take on responsibility. Another issue is that the city leaders do not understand the difference in some of these bikes. Some of them are basically bicycle with an existing motor. Some of them are also basically an electric motorcycle with pedals. I really have no problem with any of them. But I will say if the politicians knew there were a difference between them, a large chunk of E bikers would be left alone when these rules come down. I happen to ride what is more of a bicycle. I would be more than happy to fight for everyone’s rights to ride an electric motorcycle if I did not have to fight for myself.
@@Doc.Holiday Absolutely agree. Common sense is so un common these days it should be considered a super power. Where's a persons self control these days. No accountability for ones own actions is why where in this situation now.
@@Mark-qv4bn
I'm here in Chandler and I ride my ebike in the bike lane I mostly feel safe but I do get hurrased
I simply make sure that I never speed by people, or surprise people, and I am always polite and friendly. I give right away to anyone and everyone because I am battery powered. Beyond that I do not give a damn about rules! I keep my earbuds in and act like I don't hear people and just keep on riding. E bikes are mainly ridden by older people who feel like they have a newfound lease on life! Leave them alone! All activities come with risks.
I cannot say anything that you said is wrong. And thank you very much for watching. I’m afraid the statement that you made about leave them alone, will not end up happening though. You know there’s gonna be somebody out there that has a stick where a stick should never be And that’s where the problem starts.
@@markstevens4264Funny thing is, they said the same thing about those new fangled motor-cars
( you’ll scare the horses)
And the time horseless carriages arrived at an intersection, at the same time,
Or,
Got caught a whooping and a-riding, back and forth over the carriage roads, banjos in arm, making a racket that could be heard in the next county.
What happened?
Traffic lights,
Traffic laws,
Stop Signs,
And the Police & Sheriffs to enforce them.
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Now think if what you said was made law back then…
We’d all be riding horses, and the streets would be paved with horse-pucky.
😅😮😅😮😅
😂😉😎
@@markstevens4264a class 1 e-bike is limited to 20mph without a throttle. Class 2 is 20mph with a throttle. Class 3 is limited to 28 mph without a throttle. Anything else is undefined. Also the limit for motors on bicycles is 750 watts in the US, 500 watts in Canada and 250 watts in Europe. Europe also doesn’t allow throttles.
Anything over 750 watts is either a Moped, or a Motorcycle in the US. I only rode on the Mickleson trail once so far and saw one other bicycle, but I thought they had some sort of enforcement since you have to pay to ride on it.
On my local trail there is a speed limit of 15 mph, but there is rarely any law enforcement on the trail and unassisted road bikes routinely ride faster, but I’ve only seen motorcycles on the trail twice. Once electric and once gas. Neither group were going over 20mph, but they still shouldn’t have been there
Part of the problems is not giving a damn about the others rules. Picking and choosing what rules you choose to follow is absolutely a ridiculous statement on your part. Kinda sounds like what I would have said at 12 yrs old.
@@thomas5495 as long as I'm not harming or disturbing or jeopardizing the safety of others I really don't care. There are way too many rules that are based on fear and assumptions and they are not practical and they are not fair.
They mad they aren’t stealing from these pockets too. Do your thing, keep riding
Thank you. You are one hundred percent right. thanks for watching
If they are going to ban e-bikes they should ban cars considering how many fatalities there are with cars?
There you go talking that foreign language of making sense to politicians that don’t speak foreign languages. Lol. Thank you much for watching and you are correct.
I’ve ridden bikes since I was 8. I am now in my 50s and still ride everything from mtb trails to rail trails. I remember fighting for trail access in my area forest service and blm land, and having to constantly clarify that mtb were not motorcycles. On my local rail trail and mtb trails, almost everyone who has an e bike will blast past families with small children, pets, or “slower” traffic with no regard. These trails are intended for non motorized traffic. I will NEVER ride an e bike. I do not mind slowing down in my later years. Asking for officials to differentiate between different classes of e bikes is ludicrous. Non motorized means no motor. E bikes in any form are a motorized vehicle and should only be on routes designated as such. Don’t like it? Get out and start advocating in your area for e bike specific trails and rules. Do the work. Get out and sweat and build those trails.
Oh, I also can’t stand road bikers that don’t follow road rules. I put thousands of miles a year on public roads and stop at stop signs, ped crossings, and follow the rules as I would driving. I have seen some really obnoxious riders in my day.
Well, that’s interesting what you see in your area. Because I see many more cyclist, passing ebikers. The vast majority of people on E bikes that I see here in the mid Atlantic are older couples, and or individuals who are out for a leisure ride to enjoy the outdoors. Maybe we should ban the cyclists that are going to fast
You must live a frustrating life living in a world where people don’t behave to your standards. All the lamplighters told folks that electricity was going to burn their towns to the ground and street lamps should only be touched by professionals. Law enforcement has real issues to take care of besides slow people being scared.
@@hostentroffmei8258 I assume this was your towards the original post here, not me. Just to be clear my talking about banning regular cyclist with sarcasm. Thanks for watching.
I was a victim of ebike bans in Southern California. A few years ago I built myself en ebike and rode it without problems for a long time. Getting my kid to school in the back, commuting to work 10 miles, returning to pick up my son, buy some groceries etc. I could spend weeks without needing to start my car. The same my other son, who was 13-14 at that time. I bought him a high power and high range ebike and he used it as a means of transport. He could make as much as 40-60 miles per day visiting friends, going to the skatepark, going to adjacent towns to hang out on the pier or have ice cream etc. He made around 8000 miles in one year and made a lot of friends with whom he was able to explore the area. This was our perfect time: no gasoline, no traffic jams, no noise etc. But then, suddenly, cops started enforcing ebike laws and instead of giving warnings or even some low fines ($60 or so) they started impounding the ebikes immediately. You needed to pay around $300 to get your ebike back. Kids were in despair because their daily routine, their friendships got cut abruptly. Many parents, including me, decided to factor in the cost of impound into the ebike usage, assuming no more than one impound every 2 months. So guess what... They raised the price to around $1500. So the kids started driving cars and the fun was gone.
What about regular bike? Cops also going to STOP you? This is BS no more freedom for us.
I hear ya. Back in the early 80s I was very heavy into off-road motorcycle racing. This is when the three wheelers started to become popular. In 1988 they banned the sale of all three wheeler’s throughout the United States. The best advice I can give you is make sure That your politicians get to hear you. Remember, they are our servants not our masters. But if we do not communicate with them, it becomes partially our fault. Thank you much for watching.
Police just extortion for revenue. Worried about e-bikes instead of the psychos running the govt.
What "enforcing ebike laws" are you referring to? What law did you violate to get your bike impounded?
@@johnrob3215 The thing is that in the US ebikes are classified by speed, power and presence of pedals. The limits are so low that they basically convert a legal bike into a toy instead of something that might soon replace a car in warmer climates and short distances. If I were to be legal, my bike would be unusable for the most important thing which is replacing a car. So my bike is bigger, has really a lot of batteries, thick tires etc. I have around 100 miles of range. So I used it for around 3 years to go with my wife to the beach, take my son to school, go shopping etc. I used it not apart from a car but INSTEAD and this is probably a pain in the ass for the government (no registration tax, no fuel tax etc.). So one day I got stopped as I was dropping off my son to school and got a citation for operating a motorcycle because the officer assumed it is one. He immediately told me that if he assumed it's a motorcycle then I would be cited for not having a motorcycle license, cited for not having motorcycle insurance. A total of $1200. I am glad the judge thought that these assumptions are ridiculous and cancelled everything but you see the trend.
The good things about ebikes is that they are quiet, don't release fumes and you can ride along the beach and people don't mind, you can go right down to the beach and people don't mind etc. But cops do mind. An alternative to a car is a big no-no because there's no money for the state.
Where is the bike trail shown in this video? Thanks.
This is going to be the Neuse River Trail close to Raleigh North Carolina. Thanks for watching Mike.
I'm old and sometimes I bite off more then I can chew. So on the way back my knee will start to lock up. Without the throttle I wouldn't be able to get back.
I hear you. And the classifications right now, you can have that throttle. I am not against a throttle, nor am I for one. What I am for, is placing a line in the sand, so that when the regulations come down because of some of these ultra high power and high speed ebikes. It does not come down on those that are not riding them. Thanks for watching, God bless and I hope your knee continues to do better.
@@southernebiking I own of three so-called high-powered e-bikes. We call them by their proper name electric dirt bikes. And we haul them every week in the back of a pickup or on a trailer to a designated OHV staging area. And that is the problem in a nutshell these kids that buy them do not have the interest or the vehicles to haul them out to the staging area so what they do is they ride up and down the street on bike lanes and on bike paths wheeling and basically being hooligans. And that my friend ruins it for the rest of us. As is often said the few spoil it for the many
@@shredmas Street takeovers are bad publicity for dirt bikes and 4 wheel ATV's.
Sounds like a great reason to collect a local registration fee, and implement regulations. E-bikes are no more dangerous than regular bikes if ridden properly. But the government always feels they can legislate common sense. I live in NH, and they were one of the first to enact e-bike laws that made sense. But there’s no money in that. We’re not punishing the innocent along with the guilty. Can’t have that can we? Not in America anyway.
You got it Robert. As soon as something becomes popular enough now you start to charge. I wonder what else is like that. Hey go ahead try some of this, don’t worry about it. You can have it. Next time it’ll cost you. Thanks so much for watching. Enjoy your day.
I been waiting for housing authorities or places banning the owning and storing and charging of e bikes and scooters in there leases.
I remember about 15 years ago. When the big story was how all cell phone batteries We're going to explode while we were talking on them and blow all of our heads off.
I still haven't seen anyone walking around without their head. Thanks for watching
@@southernebiking But!! We have witnessed a lot like a lot of battery failures and fires for both electric cars and mass produced e bike and scooter batteries also catching on fire. They can burn a 10 story complex on fire and kill everyone inside. It does happen there are more than a small sample of cases. This is what I base 1 of my opinions on.
Some of these so-called e bikes don't even come with pedals, but with pegs. And many of them are so awkward to pedal, they force you to just throttle. I predict manufacturers will have to come up with more stealthy type, class 1, no throttle e bikes and the sales will plummet.
And these are the ones that are going to cause the greatest amount of problem. It’s kind of a gray area on these ones that are not really built to paddle but they’re only going to 20, that’s a class three. That’s why I actually do like your idea of if it has a throttle it is no longer an E bike. Just think it’s a little bit too late for that to come in the place though. Thanks for watching Pedro.
@@southernebikingif something doesn’t have pedals it’s not a bike. It’s a motorcycle.
The gray area is two wheel vehicles with more than 750 watt motors that do have pedals to avoid registering as a motorcycle and insurance. Then additionally not having turn signals and things to be road legal. I don’t know what regulations are for mopeds, but these seem to fit in that category.
I did build a trike that has a 750 watt motor and can throttle to 28mph which is not in any defined class. I usually am pedaling around 10 mph and only use the throttle to get across streets. The trike I ride the most has a 500 watt motor and only delivers 50% output to the throttle, so the motor can assist to 20mph, but the throttle only goes to 10mph. I initially didn’t have the throttle but added it later after I had an incident where I couldn’t pedal and was in the woods with a lot of mosquitoes that could suddenly keep up with me.
Throttles aren’t allowed in Europe at all, but people add them discretely.
@@kenmcclow8963 I cannot disagree with anything that you have said here. My biggest concern is that gray area that you speak about. And my concern stems from the fact that these towns will place restrictions on e-bikes because of the ones that are in the gray area. Notice the town down in Florida banned e-bikes, not just undefined e-bikes. So my push is to have people educate these politicians so that they know there is a difference in a wide spectrum of e-bikes. Thanks much.
In the USA, ebikes can travel alot faster than in the UK and Europe which is dangerous on shared paths. In the UK you are limited to motor assistance upto 15.5 mph and a 250W motor. You can get more powerful motors but it becomes classed as a scooter , not allowed on cycle paths and requires a licence , insurance etc.
On top of the above, there are quite a few videos on youtube in america of thrill seeking youngsters riding wrecklessly on insanely powerful ebikes which are really e motorbikes, putting pedals on them to fool the police, hitting speeds of around 50mph.
An ebike can weigh alot, especially when you add the weight of the rider which will be lethal if hits anyone at speed, a helmet wont help much on who they hit, especially a fragile old woman.
I use a motor to help me up hills, not to travel fast, for that I have to use my legs above 15.5 mph where assistance cuts off in the UK.
You are exactly right. And thank you much for watching. If they want to act like that, on their bikes, I really don’t care. What I do care about is because they are acting like this. On their bikes the regulations are going to come in and hit me as well. so my whole deal is keep the class one and class two and maybe even class three ebikes left alone, and as bicycles here in the United States with the same regulations, and the same responsibilities in the same rights as regular bicycles. These other ones, they can do what they want with those. That’s up to the people that are riding them to fight that fight. thank you much for watching. We certainly do appreciate it. While I do like the bikes to go up to a 20 mile an hour. I would much prefer to be limited to a class one bike, which is 16 mph then have all of them have to be registered insured, etc. Again thank you much for watching.
Totally agree! Class 1only Class to remain a "bicycle!"
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I pull up in a legal AMG that goes 216mph, roll down my window, and roll down window and say to the ebike riders next to me and say:" So their banning ebikes that go 35mp huh?
What is the speed of most E-bikes.
@@nighthiker8872 thank you for watching. That can actually be a tricky question. A class 1E bike will only assist when you are peddling it and it stops assisting at 20 mph. A class 2E bike can have something like a throttle on it and will stop assisting at 20 mph. A class 3E bike is pedal assist only and it will go up to 28 mph. Class 3 was originally intended to be something like a road bike. That would be the bike that falls under the legal definition of an electric bicycle in the vast majority of states. Unfortunately, the industry is building a ton of other E bikes that do not fall under these classifications, but they are selling them as E bikes. They are giving them out to RUclipsrs, who then show the public how to unlock them and ride them on bike trails, sidewalks, etc. I would say 50% of the E bikes out there today are no more legal on a bike trail than a KTM 450. In other words, they’re not E bikes where the law is concerned. This is where the problem is at.
@@nighthiker8872 by the way, I have no problem if they want to require registration on E bikes that are basically like a little motorcycles. But the ones that are operated like a bicycle, they should leave alone. Again, thank you for watching.
If it’s pedal assist and low wattage it’s an e-bike. If it has a throttle it’s an electric motorcycle.
Very good video. I was thinking about addressing this subject myself. Its a terrible tragedy, but a knee jerk reaction to a problem that could have been prevented with some common sense. Current laws are not enforced, it was dark where they collided, the kid was wearing a helmet the lady was not. My question is, were headlights used? What speeds were involved, what laws are in place that were not enforced already?
I agree 100%, there are way too many questions that needs to be answered before passing such a law on banning e-bikes. My e-bike is my main source of transportation, I don't drive and the buses get tonnes of cancellations everyday so they are not reliable. I would be screwed big time, because walking hurts my back.
It is certainly a knee-jerk reaction, Richard. But I think what concerns me more is the fact that they continuously lump all these ebikes together. We need to let these politicians understand that there is a difference. As these bikes are getting faster and faster, there’s gonna come a point where their knee-jerk reaction stays. my goal is to make sure that it does not catch the rest of us. Thanks for watching.
@@EBikes420 My ebike is my source of income since I use it to do deliveries. If I didn't have an ebike, I would be making less than minimum wage!
Greetings from the Netherlands. Over half of the bikes sold here are now e-bikes. There has been an increase of fatal accidents amongst cyclists here recently (see the latest video by BicycleDutch), but most of these involved cyclists being hit by motor vehicles, so the answer seems to be more infrastructure that separates cyclists from drivers. A lot of the fatalities involved e-bikes, and a lot of older people ride e-bikes, so there has been some discussion about how to increase safety, but a ban on e-bikes would be unthinkable, and I can't see helmets ever becoming compulsory either. Most Dutch adults have personal liability insurance, but this isn't particularly related to cycling. I pay about $5 a month for mine, so it isn't prohibitively expensive. And of course a lot of people insure their e-bikes against theft and damage anyway. The government and local municipalities are always looking for ways to increase cycling and reduce motor traffic, so a ban on e-bikes (or making helmets compulsory) would really go against this. They also recognise that the benefits of cycling, not just for the health of individuals but also for the economy and the environment, far outweigh the problems caused by accidents.
That's a lovely cycle path you're on, btw.
(One last slightly unrelated thing. As a European I find it crazy that any American politician should want to ban e-bikes from a place that is awash with guns, ownership of which is fairly unrestricted and which are actually designed to kill people. Maybe you need a constitutional amendment to say that the right of Americans to ride e-bikes 'shall not be infringed'.)
Thank you much. Very well thought out comment. We are definitely blessed with our bike trails here in North Carolina. Thanks much for watching. Enjoy your day.
Make law like 10 mph max on sidewalks, for obvious safety.
However, no registration. But make a law making sure it's UL listed, and not crap, like dangerous battery build, etc
Constitutional laws need to be placed upon any jurisdiction that seeks to limit our right to transportation!
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If people can get away with shoplifting in all the major cities, we should be able to get away with saying "F- you, this is a constitutional right".
As of right now, they have even banned ebikes on public roads. So it is even worse than I knew at the time of filming this which was the day it happened. Thanks much for watching Robert. Hold your public servants accountable.
The only ebikes that are being banned are class 3. If you have a class 2 you're fine.
@rickfenczik4594 Thank you for watching. This particular town has banned all ebikes. My concern is this does set a precedent. And yes, I have spoken with some of the town council members. All ebikes Have been Banned within the community limits
Could you tell me which map app you are using on the handle bar in this video? Thanks
@JohnTate-h1s That is the komoot app. We highly recommend it. We'll probably be doing a video soon on how we build our routes in different areas all over the east coast. Thanks for watching
So how about putting limiters on cars at 75 mph since your not supposed to drive faster than that on any road?
Yeah no body wants that just bikes that are pretty much harmless compared to a two ton metal box.
Thank you for watching. The only flaw in your plan is that your idea would make sense. No politician would be interested in something like that. Lol again thanks for watching.
Seriously...... Governments really need to phoque off and let us fend for ourselves and be responsible for our own actions. I'd be willing to bet the woman's own negligence in failing to wear a helmet was a major contributing factor to her injuries causing death. Yes the ebike rider could be wholely at fault for the crash ultimately causing her death but I'd bet dollars to donuts a helmet would have saved her life. These knee-jerk responses to any incident is just a response to do something, anything to say "we responded, look what we did to make you safer."
I would agree. Not only that, but when someone pointed out the fact in their meeting that she was not wearing a helmet. They were booed and escorted out by the police department. They used the excuse that her time was used up, but she was consistently interrupted during her time, and they allowed others to speak of how great this woman was how bad ebikes are plenty of time. Thanks for watching.
They should ban cars from the mall shopping centre.My wife and i crawl like a snail for pedestrians while people race around.
Can you tell us what the app your using is called? Also what phone mount is it this video as the one in description is not the same. Thank you
The app is the komoot app. The phone holder is Posiko. You are correct. I really do need to update my accessory list. Thank you so much for watching. BTW, I highly recommend the komoot app.
Oh thank you. Ive been trying to find a phone holder but all of them seemd to have an oversize top 'clamp' that I dont like but yours looks great. Thx for the reply and great videos!
@Whoadayson Check on my channel. There is a phone holder that I just found and got off of amazon for 8 dollars. Actually works very well. As a bonus, it leaves your camera open to use.
the car lobby gets what it wants. ebikes are a great threat to the car industry, at least theoretically. if humans were a different species. but it sure as hell doesnt want that non car shit taking off
In the free country everything is banned by the occupying regime.
Fun fact there is a lot more car crashes and yet no extreme laws involving banning them
Thank you one hundred percent correct
Sounds to me like a misunderstanding of what e-bikes are. They assist pedaling, they don't replace it. You have to pedal an e-bike to get it going, and keep pedaling. The "e" in e-bikes just means it's a little easier. Here in Norway, at least, there is a 25 kmp maximum assist - after that the assist stops. Bikes and scooters that move entirely on their own using electric power are different. I can understand wanting to ban them from paths where typically people walk and bike in places where there are users who bike way too fast and don't show consideration for pedestrians. But e-bikes (the e-assist kind) should be allowed in all places where regular bikes are allowed. There are no real grounds for making a distinction.
You got it and thanks for watching.
Agreed. Perfect sense to me.
'Bike way too fast and don't show consideration for pedestrians' sounds more like your opinion than actual fact.
Full throttle or not, you can go too fast and be an ahole.. And you know what, I seen more aholes on pedal bikes than on e-bikes and e-scooters. Ebike users, especially the partially disabled, love to have full throttle available and wanting to ban that is just not praxis.
There's already a distinction, and that distinction is having pedals, speed limit and wearing a helmet. You can report violations just like any other if you're terrified when you see one.
It takes years of riding all the time to learn how to handle 20mph+ speed.
Devil's Adovocate, e-bike and non-ebike rider here. The San Diego ban seems to be a partial ban. It appears that areas of high pedestrian traffic have banned e-bikes which makes sense. With e-bikes now reaching automobile speeds, mixing e-bikes and pedestrians, including the young children and the elderly, just doesn't seem safe. Not everyone on an e-bike is a safe, defensive rider. Not every pedestrian is observant wathcing out for bikes. Do we need laws to enforce this? Well, this is one of the most litiginous countries in the world. So, yes. When a 70-year old retiree mows down someone's 3-year old baby on a paved path, someone is gonna get sued. I don't think the 3-year old will get sued. Either Mr. Retiree or the city. Period. JMO.
@@mckenziemd I appreciate you watching, and I appreciate that you have chimed in with a thought-provoking comment. My response would be, you have to look at what is defined as an E bike in the law, versus what people are calling a motorized bicycle that they sell. The vast majority of problems are caused by people that are riding Ebikes, that are not falling under the legal definition of an electric assisted bicycle. So they need to start there. A class one E bike is only capable of 20 mph and that is only when you’re peddling it. This is the typical speed that a regular bicycle rides at. I would not have any problem if they would have regulations on bikes that do not fall under the legal definition of an E bike in their particular state. That would be the place to start, not banning all E bikes. Just as a guess, I am pretty sure over 60% of what the industry is selling as a ebike does not fall under the legal classification in most states. Start there. Again, thanks for watching.
I just started looking into ebikes since I lost my license. This banning is bs. We don't ban cars because of a few accidents. I got to get to work and back, and I have a right to survive,.
This is one town so I would not let this scare you yet. But I would also make sure that I spoke with my representation and make sure they are on board with keeping things the way they are with a ebikes right now. Thank you so much for watching and good luck to you, sir.
My opinion would be e-bikes should at least be able to keep up with a fast acoustic pedaling bikes 28 mph.
I think the throttle only is a very safe feature when pulling away from red lights or stop signs it keeps you focused on the road instead of trying to get your balance to pedal.
Thanks for sharing. :)
Thanks for watching Mike. Honestly, I’m trying to keep my opinion out of this as far as how fast it should go, power, etc.. I believe because they have already established a class one, class two, and class three. This would be the most logical place to create a separation between defined E-bicycles and E-cycles. I just think that would be a fight possible to win. I also think we need to make sure our politicians are aware of the huge differences from one end of the spectrum to the other of ebikes. It is pretty hard to blame them If all they here is E bikes are the problem and have no knowledge that there are different ebikes. Thanks for watching and make sure your voice is heard.
In Australia (varies slightly by state) the throttle must cut out above 6km/hr (walking speed). It does the job of getting started and then pedaling is required.
@@bretwaldow5084 Oh, I like that, makes a lot of sense!
Acustic bike? WTF? You mean you yell at it and it rides?
Many people ride their bicycles safely through town and city streets (I'm one of them). And we largely obey traffic laws. If we see other bicyclists behaving badly, we call them out, because they give all of us a bad name.
Enjoy the ride SLOW DOWN.
I don't see how banning ebikes could be possible under the constitution. Essentially they are banning the people's own property. Most trail are State, city, township, County run. Essentially those trails are taxpayer funded and everyone has paid for them one way or another. How can u ban someone from their own property. Basically it's discrimination on a specific group of people. Banned or not this retired senior will be riding my paid for trails.
Thanks for watching Keith. You need to check my latest video on this. It’s not just the trails, they have banned them from their public roads. I believe they know they are not able to do this, but they’re doing it anyway figuring that no one is going to sue them over it. I I don’t think it would be a case for banning peoples personal property as much as it is a case to move freely. They also have the issue that according to state law ebikes, the defined ones have the same rights as regular bicycles. They have not banned regular bicycles. I do believe they could ban E bikes that are not defined as a class one class two or class three. But they are just figuring no one will go against them and it’s easier for them to just throw a blanket over all of them. Enjoy the rest of your weekend friend.
@southernebiking I agree. I was not really saying it's personal property. It is every taxpayers property. And the next law will be registration fees. How else are we gonna pay for the 10 million illegal aliens, or the billions we give people in other countries to fight their wars and support their retirement funds. Gotta raise fees everywhere.
@AdrepKeith One hundred percent correct keith. Gotta pay that ever increasing government bill. On the Constitution, I was just thinking of what would make a good argument under that, There's also the state law. Not completely sure how well an emergency order overrides that, but I am also not sure you can institute an emergency ordinance over one accident. This is something I'm keeping pretty close tabs on. I don't live in Florida but I believe this could be setting a precedent for a lot of other towns. And as we know there is no shortage of Karen towns in this country
The throttle is a good thing for me, when I need to get across an intersection or just start out before peddling. Don't regulate throttles. I don't use very much, but they are so helpful for this 71 year old e-Biker!!
Thank you for watching steve. I would argue that you should be able to maintain your throttle. But I also must admit that the other side does have a good argument for electric assisted bicycles not to have them. Other than that, they have no argument against already defined. Class 1, 2 or 3 ebike.
Banning e-bikes sounds a little unconstitutional to me. I thought we were supposed to have the right to travel freely. Interesting.
Thanks for sharing. This is more than a rush to judgement of ebikers, which isn't new. Ebikers appear to always be guilty. Unfortunately, anything on 2 wheels, even if they have a gas engine, are considered ebikes by some people. (not suggesting the 12 year old wasn't on an ebike) The fact that a 12 year old was on the bike seems more relevant than the fact that it was an ebike. Not sure why they allow kids under the age to be able to hold a drivers license to have access to an ebike. The news article I just read on this accident stated the community is "fed up" with kids ignoring the rules of the road. The key word in the article was "kids" and "ignoring the rules" -- not what they are riding. I can count on both my and my husbands hands how many times someone on a non-ebike almost crashed into us going faster than they should, or not paying attention -- and this is on rail trails! Agree that we need to start letting our representatives know that ebikes are NOT the issue -- it's the riders who need to be policed.
You are exactly right. And thanks for watching. Honestly, the problem is the E bikes are the new kid on the block. So they are the easiest to go after. I also want people to make their elected officials aware that there is a huge difference between an electrical assist and bicycle like many of us, ride, and some of these other E bikes that are capable of up to 70 miles an hour. I wanna make sure when they bring down The hammer, it does not come on our head as well. I would say, in addition to the fact that it is not the Ebike, but the people handling it, but there is a big difference in a lot of these E bikes.
Exactly... Cause money grabbing bans are easier than just having the cops do their jobs and enforce laws.
This is why I do not like kids on grown-up stuff we were doing just fine until kids started to use them
A lot of times it’s more than just the kids. I’ve met quite a few children that are well over 18. Thanks much for watching Ben. We do appreciate it.
Ebikes are motorized vehicles that should not be on bike or walking paths. They are dangerous and a nuisance
About the throttle. They actually make a bike safer. Because you don't have a delay from so to start. That little jolt you get is actually a control risk.
Many in the UK wish they could have throttle at stop lights and crossings because it allows them a more controlled start.
Thank you so much for watching. I tend to agree with you that the throttle’s are not a bad thing. I don’t use one on a light bike. But I would never begrudge someone using theirs at all. I will say it gives people that are against ebikes a little bit of ammunition. other than that, there’s nothing negative about having one. Enjoy your day.
@vmobile890 starting is the most dangerous time for any cyclist. Especially in cities, intersections. Getting up to speed is a thing. Main reason such a thing as an idaho stop exists.
Their trying to force everyone into electric cars. But they have a problem with Ebikes?
You have to be 16 and have a license to drive a car of any kind. And you can’t drive a car on park trails like the one in this video.
Here in the UK EAPC ,Electric Assisted Pedal Cycles ,for use on public roads and cycle paths, are limited to 15 mph top speed with the motor. If you want to go faster you have to pedal harder.Any bike with a motor larger than 250w is classed as an electric motorcycle or moped and has to be insured, rode with a licence,have indicators and be registered as a moped/mororcycle.Surron type e-bikes are illegal as they are made for offroad use and only allowed on private land.
Thank you for watching and thank you for chiming in from the UK Neil. If things keep going the way they are that is exactly what we are going to be facing here as well. I would like to see it, a class 2 is the same as a bicycle. That would be up to 20 mph. That is the reason I am telling people to get out there and make their voices heard before tighter restrictions. Come down on all of us. Again, thanks for watching.
Out trail speed limit is 15 km/h last summer on on a sting the cops ticketed Running room runners with breaking the speed limit at 5km/h over $440 and 3 demerit points, LOL! Love it, bet that will never occur again!
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It's real easy for non riders to make decisions that affect us all. Ultimately we need to get into local politics and represent at city council and try to prevent these arbitrary rulings as more people get into the sport.
You are 100% correct. This needs to be done all over and is exactly what I’m trying to say. Thank you thank you.
It is also real easy for non riders to get out amongst regular riders with their electric scooter bikes. Not a good thing.
Unfortunately paths are getting busier. The accident you mentioned was with an electric scooter that was probably slower than a class 1 bike. I don’t know the facts of this accident and what caused this collision but even a non-e vehicle could cause a fatal crash. Probably lines on every path could minimize accidents.
The Government Should Do Something About Millions Of Americans Who Are Homeless On The Streets Of America 🇺🇸 for real, Instead Of Banning E-Bikes for real, Because The State Of Florida Does have A High Percentage Of Homeless People On The Streets for real, My Brothers And Sisters, And My Friend.
Who'd ever thought that adding an electric motor to a bicycle would ever raise such a stink.
Love the information. An Ebike kept me from open heart surgery. No local government Officer speaks up for the benefits of Ebiking.
BTW, what trail is this? It Looks great. Lord willing I plan on biking trails around North and South Carolina this summer.
I’m right there with you. And I think there’s an awful lot of people there with you as well that don’t ride these things around like little motorcycles and are getting exercise and great benefits. The trail we are on is called the Neuse river trail near Raleigh, North Carolina. North Carolina does do a really good job on it bikeways. The Raleigh area, which is not far from us has approximately 200 miles of cycling trails. Charlotte is very similar. Winston Salem as a good amount of trails as well. South Carolina does have a pretty good Nettwerk of rail trails. Thanks much for watching. And good luck with your health.
Went thru the same crap with drones.
Let's hope this one has a better outcome. Thanks for watching
Vote out bike banning politicians .
One huge problem is that on too many bikes, you can easily over-ride the class 1,2,3 restriction and have access to the motors' full power. E-bikes where never intended to be ridden on shared pathways or streets at 70 or 75 kilometres/hr.
@@Ukiah.Spirit you are correct they are not meant to go that fast. That is one reason that I have advocated for pedal assist only. But a speed limit, would handle all these issues with no problem. Thank you much for watching.
ALL, Secluded bike and walking paths, (NEED) live, cameras, that all the people in the community can tune in, 24/7. PLUS, marks where help can get there in seconds.
It's all about the money 💰. They wanna be in out pockets and in our lives when and where they don't need to be.. Where's the freedom???????😢😢😢
I think more than money this is about somebody who had a grudge against the e-bikes. Don't know if it was because of youngsters running around being unlawful or something else. But it was someone who has some power in this community. Notice I am not saying he has earned power. Some folks know just which button to push to get what they want done regardless of what it does to others. Our job is to know how to disable that button. Thanks for watching.
some folks ain't down with e-bikes 'cause they think it'll mess up their whole carbon tax game plan once emissions drop!
I am glad you are doing your best to bring attention to this important matter. The one aspect that I did not see addressed was the fact that many of these types of accidents could have been avoided if municipalities would have invested in the proper infrastructure to enable safer riding. How many of us end up riding on the sidewalks because there are no bike lanes on the road? How many accidents have occurred where distracted drivers hit bicyclist on busy streets where there is no other way to ride a bike. I am seeing municipalities replacing their narrow sidewalks with multi-purpose paths which are wide enough to support bicyclist and pedestrians., but this takes money and often times other needs win out. So, it will take decades to get the proper infrastructure in place. Many European countries are way ahead of us on the infrastructure they provide. I recently visited Vancouver and was amazed at the fact that they have dedicated and entire car lane in the most congested area of the city to allow for bicycles & ebikes to travel in. It has reduced downtown traffic by 50% and the significantly improved their air quality. It was very controversial at first, but now everyone loves it. I think as more and more people adopt e-bikes government will have to take notice. It would probably be a good idea to get all government officials to ride an e-bike for a couple of weeks and then make their decisions.
Thank you for watching Rick. I agree with you 100%. We do need better infrastructure. I cycled in Washington DC and was quite impressed as it is easier to get around on an E bike than it is in a car. This is the reason that I referenced people for bikes. They seem to be advocating for this in a lot of cities. Honestly, it’s just beyond what I can do on my own. Again thanks for watching.
I regularly hike & (pedal) bike on a local long distance trail near me and I have had a few concerning encounters with e-bikes. The trail isn't narrow but people do need to be aware of oncoming traffic. In addition, there are several curves - not sharp but there is limited visibility to oncoming traffic. I pedal at about 15 miles per hour on my bike and I am able to keep aware so that I don't surprise anyone. I don't think I would want to go any faster on the parts of the trail where visibility is limited.
The encounters that I have had with e-bikes has been with people going a little too fast for those sections of the trail. I think the bikes were at least class 2 as I have seen people "motoring" without pedaling. There haven't been accidents that I am aware of but people do need to watch their speed for the safety of others. I also suspect that the advent of ebikes is allowing people who normally would not bike to "just go" - that IS a good thing, but I don't think those people appreciate the safety aspect of riding at those somewhat fast speeds. Pedal bikes naturally limit them.
I would at least like to see some sort of mandatory safety training for ebike owners. I know that would not cure every concern, but I do think most people would be reasonable if they were made aware of the concerns.
Thank you for watching and for a well thought out comment. The majority of e-bikers that I see in this area are older individuals or couples out for a leisure ride so I rarely see them going more than about 15 miles an hour. My wife and I stay right about that as an average. My wife is also a regular hiker. Our experience in this area has actually been that more road cyclists are traveling fast then ebikers. I understand that they do have quite a little experience. But they are also riding with her head down for aerodynamics so they do not see far in front of them. They also do not warn people when they pass by as they don't want the weight of a bell on their bike. And do not slow down very often because they do not want to lose the momentum they have build up. I'm not trying to make a case that e-bikers are safer than road bikers. I am just saying, it is an individual thing where people don't necessarily use what used to be called common sense, but is no longer very common. So I think the argument could be made both ways. I very often hear about people going around throttling e-bikes. But I honestly have not seen very much of that. We have traveled well over 3,000 miles in the Mid-Atlantic on mostly bike trails. Maybe this is going on out on the roads, maybe we've just been fortunate that we've not run across much of it. I would agree with you though, education is a good thing for anybody. Well I may need to add in that is good if it's real education. Lol and not propaganda. Again thank you very much for watching and thank you for a well thought out and respectful debate. Way too little of that here on RUclips. Enjoy your evening.