"I had to really think about it " That really says it all If you're having to focus that hard on what your feet are doing, you're paying less attention to what else is going on
THANK YOU!! Seriously THANK YOU! As a long time martial artist we cross our feet all the time in defensive training. I think Dave is right that it was a training technique for safety on the line and someone took it as a tactic. I also agree 100% with Adam talking about natural movement. THIS IS AWESOME my friends.
I’m not gonna cross my feet going sideways without turning my hips and always lead with my toes during a step so as not to roll an ankle. if I need more speed I turn totally into the direction to run
Lessons: 1) Move; 2) Move by doing what works best for you; 3) Move as quickly as possible without stumbling/falling down. This is the one that can trip you up! (Get it? "Trip" you up? ... Oh, forget it.)
Great experiment & movement demonstration. I love how you describe speed, kinesthetic feel, and sight variables for each type of movement. Well done!!!
I agree. Range haka. I practice and train movement everyday. There is no reason to throw all that practice out the window for some awkward shuffle step. What I care about when moving with a firearm is simple. Did I needlessly muzzle things that I shouldn't have? Did I trip, fall down, go boom? Did I get where I needed to be fast? If those questions all have the right answer then the technique makes no difference.
I’d also like to highlight the issue of difficult terrain underfoot while dragging your foot could definitely introduce mobility issues. Whereas lifting your feet to move is A. More natural and B. more adaptive to terrain (whether that be roots, small objects, rubble, etc). I do wonder about the matter of firing while on the move which method is more effective. Coming from the military perspective we’re often taught to respond with fire before taking cover. While this fire is not anticipated to be effective as a fight stopper (more as suppression) I do wonder which may be more accurate. I imagine the dragging of foot may keep the weapon on target more simply because your body is in contact with the earth more. However with that perspective the environment is likely to have rubble, obstructions, terrain changes etc that a require more flexibility. There’s the matter of orienting your torso as a turret to fire and move as well (something I find to be very challenging when aiming towards your dominant hand. I often find it easier to transition shoulders or side/ back pedal at this point). There’s often speak of “what if someone shoves you or you trip?” that we hear as well. Which I’d address as a greater mistake or series of mistakes than just your technique in movement. I really appreciate your content like this, lots of points taken to heart and the demonstration makes an excellent way to present to my peers. Certainly lots of discussion with them to come!
Excellent. Again, you showed the big difference between shooting range dogma and real world. Keep knocking down those tacticool nonsence. You WILL getcriticism, but dont worry, you will save lives. Love it man!!!
@@deplorableredneck4.02 when "action" hits you better have some SELF thinking skills and SELF leadership skills. FOR SELF. ALL the training is great. But you BETTER have the above mentioned. God forbid if it ends at least it ends under your term. Outside green zone. I NEVER kept my weapon on safety. Now that made me even more alert cause I'm looking out for both side. But I was, did, going to live and die by Leo Lloyd Calhoun Jr. decisions. I trusted me. I knew I was TOOO TUNED INN!
@@leocalhounjr2025 I got mine in the infantry..still practice my skills today..I don't try to fast draw as I got to old for that so I just practice a smooth draw with little movements ..to damn old to fight but I will give it all I have
I would agree with everything said. All of the schools I have trained with discuss the step/drag and I always thought it was clunky and slow. If we are well trained enough to shoot a gun, we should train to move with it in an effective manner. Everything in shooting is about efficiency
This "issue" dates back to the '80's and what was taught in the SOF shoot houses of the US and UK. While engaged never cross your feet as you may trip and muzzle a team mate while kentic. Never jump, hop, or have both feet off the ground at the same time. For any reason... ect... These TTP's have rippled out to OGA's. And now causes an internet wildfire. Someone got some marshmellows? :-)
Another dogma is never move backwards. That’s not true either. Move Toe-Heel backwards (as opposed to Heel-Toe forward) & PRACTICE moving. I “walk the box”. Forward…to one side…Backwards…to the other side…Repeat going the other way. Two controlled pairs each side at 2 targets. Start dry fire. Start slow, then slowly (over days and weeks) speed up. Have your basics down first.
The reason we discourage straight backward movement is that it doesn't help you much with bullets flying, and the perp can run forward much faster than you can move backward. Generally, lateral and diagonal movement are preferred for this reason. But we see people back up in real gunfights ALL the time.
Interesting… when the gentlemen needed to move the greatest distance they got up to speed and slid to a stop… using the surface to their advantage. If they had been on concrete it would have required another cross step. Just proved your point… move naturally.
Just IMO at 7:10 he dropped stepped which slowed his lateral movement and actually momentarily kept him stationary, instead of a drop step maybe a step to right with right foot would have moved him faster. Watch a baseball play move to steal a base he steps towards the base with his right foot stronger push off and granted a baseball player doesn't need to stay oriented to the target, 1 step closer than a back step. Just saying.
"I really had to think about it" tells me that it's not a natural movement as claimed. Lots of wasted movement doing it that way. Physiology will tell you that this is bogus.
John, you are looking sexy. Okay, so I disagree. People always get careless. This why cops have such a very high amount of ND's. You need to always handle a weapon, pointed correctly with some of the simular care of when it is loaded. If you don't your chances of ND's sky rocket. The army would have a lot more needless deaths without that rule. People would half heartedly follow the finger on trigger and pointing gun rules. And the pop.
"I had to really think about it "
That really says it all
If you're having to focus that hard on what your feet are doing, you're paying less attention to what else is going on
THANK YOU!! Seriously THANK YOU! As a long time martial artist we cross our feet all the time in defensive training. I think Dave is right that it was a training technique for safety on the line and someone took it as a tactic. I also agree 100% with Adam talking about natural movement. THIS IS AWESOME my friends.
I’m not gonna cross my feet going sideways without turning my hips and always lead with my toes during a step so as not to roll an ankle. if I need more speed I turn totally into the direction to run
Lessons:
1) Move;
2) Move by doing what works best for you;
3) Move as quickly as possible without stumbling/falling down.
This is the one that can trip you up! (Get it? "Trip" you up? ... Oh, forget it.)
I had some key board commandos try to tell me I wasn't supposed to cross my feet, pfft as if
I've had the pleasure of training with Dave a number of times over the past five years. He's the Real Deal - I recommend him highly.
Great experiment & movement demonstration. I love how you describe speed, kinesthetic feel, and sight variables for each type of movement. Well done!!!
I agree. Range haka. I practice and train movement everyday. There is no reason to throw all that practice out the window for some awkward shuffle step.
What I care about when moving with a firearm is simple. Did I needlessly muzzle things that I shouldn't have? Did I trip, fall down, go boom? Did I get where I needed to be fast?
If those questions all have the right answer then the technique makes no difference.
I feel like it's closer to "the right technique will intuitively show itself" more than it doesn't matter.
Gotta practice it either way. Sports players practice it so they can do it come game time (without a pistol anyway).
I’d also like to highlight the issue of difficult terrain underfoot while dragging your foot could definitely introduce mobility issues. Whereas lifting your feet to move is A. More natural and B. more adaptive to terrain (whether that be roots, small objects, rubble, etc). I do wonder about the matter of firing while on the move which method is more effective. Coming from the military perspective we’re often taught to respond with fire before taking cover. While this fire is not anticipated to be effective as a fight stopper (more as suppression) I do wonder which may be more accurate. I imagine the dragging of foot may keep the weapon on target more simply because your body is in contact with the earth more. However with that perspective the environment is likely to have rubble, obstructions, terrain changes etc that a require more flexibility. There’s the matter of orienting your torso as a turret to fire and move as well (something I find to be very challenging when aiming towards your dominant hand. I often find it easier to transition shoulders or side/ back pedal at this point). There’s often speak of “what if someone shoves you or you trip?” that we hear as well. Which I’d address as a greater mistake or series of mistakes than just your technique in movement. I really appreciate your content like this, lots of points taken to heart and the demonstration makes an excellent way to present to my peers. Certainly lots of discussion with them to come!
Excellent. Again, you showed the big difference between shooting range dogma and real world. Keep knocking down those tacticool nonsence. You WILL getcriticism, but dont worry, you will save lives. Love it man!!!
IN THE THICK OF IT. ANYTHING GOES AS LONG AS I SURVIVE.
Leo you are 100% right
@@deplorableredneck4.02 when "action" hits you better have some SELF thinking skills and SELF leadership skills. FOR SELF. ALL the training is great. But you BETTER have the above mentioned. God forbid if it ends at least it ends under your term. Outside green zone. I NEVER kept my weapon on safety. Now that made me even more alert cause I'm looking out for both side. But I was, did, going to live and die by Leo Lloyd Calhoun Jr. decisions. I trusted me. I knew I was TOOO TUNED INN!
@@leocalhounjr2025 I got mine in the infantry..still practice my skills today..I don't try to fast draw as I got to old for that so I just practice a smooth draw with little movements ..to damn old to fight but I will give it all I have
@@deplorableredneck4.02 blessings
🤔 Good instructional information for definite practice and training. 👍🏾👍🏾 Real world motion is not static step step motion. Good job 🏆🏆🏆
Good stuff!! For me Step/Drag gets slower, bumpier and and more tiring the further you try to go doing it, but it does have it's place. Sort of.
For a short distance it's fastest and easiest.
@@ASPextra , yep, so true!
I would agree with everything said. All of the schools I have trained with discuss the step/drag and I always thought it was clunky and slow. If we are well trained enough to shoot a gun, we should train to move with it in an effective manner. Everything in shooting is about efficiency
Yeah and of course, competitive shooters do it constantly.
Gotta be careful about breaking the 180, especially in competition. Good vid.
This "issue" dates back to the '80's and what was taught in the SOF shoot houses of the US and UK. While engaged never cross your feet as you may trip and muzzle a team mate while kentic. Never jump, hop, or have both feet off the ground at the same time. For any reason... ect... These TTP's have rippled out to OGA's. And now causes an internet wildfire. Someone got some marshmellows? :-)
Another dogma is never move backwards. That’s not true either. Move Toe-Heel backwards (as opposed to Heel-Toe forward) & PRACTICE moving. I “walk the box”. Forward…to one side…Backwards…to the other side…Repeat going the other way. Two controlled pairs each side at 2 targets. Start dry fire. Start slow, then slowly (over days and weeks) speed up. Have your basics down first.
The reason we discourage straight backward movement is that it doesn't help you much with bullets flying, and the perp can run forward much faster than you can move backward. Generally, lateral and diagonal movement are preferred for this reason. But we see people back up in real gunfights ALL the time.
"The Box" is a good drill I had forgotten to run in a while. Thanks.
Interesting… when the gentlemen needed to move the greatest distance they got up to speed and slid to a stop… using the surface to their advantage. If they had been on concrete it would have required another cross step. Just proved your point… move naturally.
Yeah, we know how to move intuitively.
Excellent Information !!!!!!!!!!!
i agree. go play paintball and try that shuffle crap you will get lit tf up
Just IMO at 7:10 he dropped stepped which slowed his lateral movement and actually momentarily kept him stationary, instead of a drop step maybe a step to right with right foot would have moved him faster. Watch a baseball play move to steal a base he steps towards the base with his right foot stronger push off and granted a baseball player doesn't need to stay oriented to the target, 1 step closer than a back step. Just saying.
Yeah we didn't want to go through all the technique of fast, efficient movement in this one. :) Thanks for watching!
Desmond Morris and Jeff Cavalier might agree with you guys as well. 😂
With the shuffle looks like he's a hoodlum. Except he has two hands on and hits his target
So I gotta comment...two out of the three looked up at the airplane...1:50 and again 2:05 LOL.
Tell me you're a pilot without telling me you're a pilot. :)
"I really had to think about it" tells me that it's not a natural movement as claimed. Lots of wasted movement doing it that way. Physiology will tell you that this is bogus.
Move the line
John, you are looking sexy. Okay, so I disagree. People always get careless. This why cops have such a very high amount of ND's. You need to always handle a weapon, pointed correctly with some of the simular care of when it is loaded. If you don't your chances of ND's sky rocket. The army would have a lot more needless deaths without that rule. People would half heartedly follow the finger on trigger and pointing gun rules. And the pop.
No you could trip😂 and I'm just guessing here
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Football players cross there feet