What will it take to get the name changed? I hope it can be done, easily and quickly. It’s disgraceful that it’s named after settlers who committed atrocities against the people who lived here for thousands of years before they arrived. Names are important.
It’s not we voted for it not to be changed. If he cares so much about a name, why doesn’t he care more about getting meth out of the reservations. That causes more harm than a name ever will.
white women were killed and molested. you lost. hell of plan to cry about some story you heard after everyone is long dead. nice solution, let's rename the town after some native who raped or turned kelsey creek red with blood downstream. genius. you lost, take your L and move on. Next, you should cry to the NFL about the losses in the superbowl by Buffalo and Minnesota and give them fake Lombardi Trophies decades after history was clearly decided.
I read about the troublesome history of Kelseyville about 15 years ago. Konocti, the giant mountain/volcano right next to it, is a much more suitable name than the name of a thuggish thief - change it already!
Clayton is a good friend of mine. He is a true human being and a warrior and leader in the best sense of the words...someone who cares about his people and sacrifice, who places the interests of his people before his own. He could have had an easy life, as some Indigenous people have today, by forgetting who they are, but he chose not to forget and to care. That to me is a true human being.
and following your exact logic, the NFL should also rename the Vince Lombardi (first two superbowl winners) trophy to the Marv Levy (who lost all 4 superbowls from disgusting and vile plays done to his teams offense and defense) Trophy. ass backwards thinking. Want stuff named after you? You gotta fucking win and win decisively so that future losers dont cry foul about your clear cut victory. Have a great day in America!
Land Back is real and maybe not quick by some folks standards but time will restore the rightful place and way of things. It wont happen with a big fat struggle so don't you all get yur hackles up. But far as i can see, its started running and KONOCTI will be the new old name. Don't worry, no one will die from this name change.
Those who can’t believe indigenous peoples have been here 20-40k years here should look at how the time was derived. It was the major white universities that challenged us, and by their own standards and state of the art archaeological tests came to the conclusion. We should all look at Palestine with the same in mind.
What is the Native/indigenous name of that area, Ktown, , again? How is it spelled?“ Akon-ech-dye?” Thank you. ( and what does it mean? ) The town s name will change, Mr. Duncan. Your mission is heart-driven and understandable! Peace. * Regarding pronounciation - Maybe I should use “ cc” but it s not very accurate!
I agree with him. A lot of names of Cities everywhere are lame. Name the City after a Tree or Plant that was there before his Family. His right about land ownership--All Land should become Commons- Shared with his family and new people.
The problem with land becoming commons is that it is then controlled by the State...even though it might be called "public land", the State basically owns and manages it. I personally do not trust the State, I never have, and no wise Indigenous person ever should.
If the name isn't changed, can a true story monument be put under each name sign? Just a thought I had when I thought about the name changing... Will visitors know the name was changed? Will visitors ever know the history of the town? Erasing the name gives the man a pass of the horrible things he did.
Thanks Brandi , good thoughts !! IMO, it won't B 4-gotten. The US Army massacre that Clayton talked about losing some of his family, not that long ago. There are markers. And imagine there will be more. R U local around Konocti ? I myself am in the City but family came up to camp and fish, lovely Spirit in the area but troubled too. The Land needs some peace and restorations. As People do too. 🙏🏽💔 🪶
I was raised in this very town and I am very proud to have grown up in this wonderful town full of great people m full of history changing the name of the town won’t erase history or bring back the people killed by Andrew Kelsey 😢
Exactly. This guy has a t shirt that says it’s Indian land but is upset when the land gets taken from them. What gives him the right to say it Indian land?
@@TiredAmerican247Because you’re acting in bad faith. You don’t actually care about Indigenous people; you just care about winning an argument. Extraordinarily juvenile.
Hey buddy? Have you heard the term -- Native American? It means we 're from here. Clayton is a Pomo Elder. This is Pomo Land. Do you live on Pomo Land, buddy? Native People lived here before. Period.
@40acresandatractor: Curious what you have to say here. just saw you on another site re; the WI shooting; Looked like it was some ugly players in the thread, Notsee and wytsubordinates, kaykaykay, and types. Stay strong.
Sorry brother, that's what happens when you loose a war. Kelsey was the first American woman pioneer. You were not the first people here. It kind of goes that way. You are lucky the Chinese didn't take over your tribe first because they tend not to leave survivors.
@ archeologists evidence? Where in California is the 25,000 year old evidence? They don’t even find stuff older than 10,000 to 12,000 in Egypt. Again, making up things to try and prove a point.
This has nothing to do with democrats or republicans. Many democrats have implemented racist and destructive policies against Indigenous people. The two parties are as the two wings of the same pterodactyl...all liars and thieves as far as Indigenous people are concerned. And now they are coming for you and your property ("You will own nothing and you will be happy"), at which point you will become the new "vanishing Indian" and know what it feels like.
Good idea - Muwekma Ohlone Tribe should have some great suggestions for the new , old original name of the land before Spanish stole it from the tribes. Thanks
@@TiredAmerican247 You honestly don't know what was any of the huge wrongs done? if i go on about what the Kelsey Bros did here, this wwill gett senssored . So learn about it your self, why not. But bet in your heart you know. And , "Who decides it Indian land anyways?" My humble answer: It was already decided long ago. North America is Native American Land. Some Tribes on the East coast ( like mine, Haudenosaunee ) & mid west call the North American Continent Turtle Island. ( don't delete this !)
Im half Native American...no one is around during this happened while Lincoln conducted the largest execution in US history of Native Americans and some of my family innocent..and Lincoln is still revered to be some kind of a hero...if this guy is serious get rid of Lincoln also
Clayton works on local issues which have to do with his own tribe(s). If you actually are half-native, work on the issues that pertain to your own tribe (don't tell me you have a "cherokee princess grandmother" or that you are "half-Aztec"!)
Old hippies have a wrong way of seeing the world (crying indian played by an italian American to the tune of Buffy Sainte-Marie song) If this man is speaking for his people, can not English people lay claim to 50k years of improving the lot of human science, medicine, and democracy to such a degree that he speaks English, wears English clothes, and owes his years to modern convenience? This is an old hippie more influenced by the 60s caricatures of native culture than his own lineage.
Listen bub...You're time is running short and I get that you're trying to leave a legacy but....Well, it won't matter much...When you're gone, no one will remember ya....You'll just be a foot note in your family album...So, do something for others instead of yourself with what little time you got left...
Listen bud, this is precisely what Clayton is doing, something for his people...he always has, including helping to create the rancheria with his aunt. And I can assure you that he will be remembered and honored, unlike you, who are an arrogant and ignorant nobody.
If you believe some, Any, peoples have a "history" or "Civilization" of 25,000yrs then you are uneducated. Ignorant. Wrong. These are not established civilizations with writing and math. And those peoples last hundreds or maybe 3000 years. Sumer, 2500yrs, Rome 1000yrs. USA 250 yrs and sinking fast.
What will it take to get the name changed? I hope it can be done, easily and quickly. It’s disgraceful that it’s named after settlers who committed atrocities against the people who lived here for thousands of years before they arrived. Names are important.
I wish this man the best and hope the name change goes through.
It’s not we voted for it not to be changed. If he cares so much about a name, why doesn’t he care more about getting meth out of the reservations. That causes more harm than a name ever will.
I really hope the name change is successful. We need to honor our indigenous brothers and sisters and support their healing.
He is 100% correct, I hope this happens then continues on...
I hope he succeeds in getting the name changed!
Blessing to you.Change the name.
Good luck my man. These men you complain about don't like change. Especially if they did something wrong.
white women were killed and molested. you lost. hell of plan to cry about some story you heard after everyone is long dead. nice solution, let's rename the town after some native who raped or turned kelsey creek red with blood downstream. genius. you lost, take your L and move on. Next, you should cry to the NFL about the losses in the superbowl by Buffalo and Minnesota and give them fake Lombardi Trophies decades after history was clearly decided.
There are many places like this all over California. The history is all similar and atrocious.
I read about the troublesome history of Kelseyville about 15 years ago. Konocti, the giant mountain/volcano right next to it, is a much more suitable name than the name of a thuggish thief - change it already!
Clayton is a good friend of mine. He is a true human being and a warrior and leader in the best sense of the words...someone who cares about his people and sacrifice, who places the interests of his people before his own. He could have had an easy life, as some Indigenous people have today, by forgetting who they are, but he chose not to forget and to care. That to me is a true human being.
I, too, hope he succeeds. The man whose name that town bears was disgustingly and vile for the things he did to the native peoples who lived there.
and following your exact logic, the NFL should also rename the Vince Lombardi (first two superbowl winners) trophy to the Marv Levy (who lost all 4 superbowls from disgusting and vile plays done to his teams offense and defense) Trophy. ass backwards thinking. Want stuff named after you? You gotta fucking win and win decisively so that future losers dont cry foul about your clear cut victory. Have a great day in America!
Too short of a story for so much history
@@diegop2311 Indeed. That’s an adorable doggy you have there btw.
ALL POWER TO MY PEOPLE 🪶🪶🪶🪶🪶🪶🪶🪶🪶🪶
Land Back is real and maybe not quick by some folks standards but time will restore the rightful place and way of things. It wont happen with a big fat struggle so don't you all get yur hackles up. But far as i can see, its started running and KONOCTI will be the new old name. Don't worry, no one will die from this name change.
This whole continent will always be Indian land...
@@raphael2336-h8r Yyeah! Turtle Island !
This should be done across the colonized US!
He needs to get over it.
@@TheMover-to7dy colonizer!
I STAND WITH YOU BROTHER CHANGE THAT NAME, IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, GOD BLESS.
Fully Agree with Mr. Duncan
This man is righteous!! 🙇♀️
Good time to learn and change. Amen. Its a good thing🎉
Those who can’t believe indigenous peoples have been here 20-40k years here should look at how the time was derived. It was the major white universities that challenged us, and by their own standards and state of the art archaeological tests came to the conclusion. We should all look at Palestine with the same in mind.
Change the name 🌹
Speak your truth uncle. May the power of water restore.
A town named after a thief!
And enslaver .
And an En$$laver / Wrayp*sst. The whole myth needs to come down.
I hope you have it's name changed
Vallejo, One of the Spanish Land Grants? They didn't have the right either.
Human Being needs to learn from the wisdom of his elders and rid himself of hate and revenge to allow his spirit to be free.
It should and could be changed
Life is not fair most of the time, I wish the best for this gentleman and a new name for his town ~!!
I’m behind you brother ❤
get a life and worry about real problems, not made up virtue signaling.
What is the Native/indigenous name of that area, Ktown, , again? How is it spelled?“ Akon-ech-dye?” Thank you. ( and what does it mean? ) The town s name will change, Mr. Duncan. Your mission is heart-driven and understandable! Peace. * Regarding pronounciation - Maybe I should use “ cc” but it s not very accurate!
Konocti
I have relatives in that area. Lost track of them.
I agree with him. A lot of names of Cities everywhere are lame. Name the City after a Tree or Plant that was there before his Family. His right about land ownership--All Land should become Commons- Shared with his family and new people.
The problem with land becoming commons is that it is then controlled by the State...even though it might be called "public land", the State basically owns and manages it. I personally do not trust the State, I never have, and no wise Indigenous person ever should.
If the name isn't changed, can a true story monument be put under each name sign? Just a thought I had when I thought about the name changing... Will visitors know the name was changed? Will visitors ever know the history of the town? Erasing the name gives the man a pass of the horrible things he did.
Thanks Brandi , good thoughts !! IMO, it won't B 4-gotten. The US Army massacre that Clayton talked about losing some of his family, not that long ago. There are markers. And imagine there will be more. R U local around Konocti ?
I myself am in the City but family came up to camp and fish, lovely Spirit in the area but troubled too. The Land needs some peace and restorations.
As People do too. 🙏🏽💔 🪶
I see your point!
@MargaretCraddock-hy9yw no, I'm not local but I am from California.
@@BrandiHerrera-y1l Of course. Only asked cause wondered about Tribal and Town Council groups to help ideas like yours, locally. Take care !
Keep fighting the truly good fight!
I was raised in this very town and I am very proud to have grown up in this wonderful town full of great people m full of history changing the name of the town won’t erase history or bring back the people killed by Andrew Kelsey 😢
Karma is gonna be quite something. May all land be returned and we learn to live together in kindness and kinship.
CHANGE IT!!
I would love to see an accurate history on all the different tribes that ruled this area, and then we can name it after the first one.
Exactly. This guy has a t shirt that says it’s Indian land but is upset when the land gets taken from them. What gives him the right to say it Indian land?
Not your decision or concern
@ why isn’t it our decision?
@@methonyHolmes-e8p lay off the sugar
@@TiredAmerican247Because you’re acting in bad faith. You don’t actually care about Indigenous people; you just care about winning an argument. Extraordinarily juvenile.
Who built the town?
Dem white folks...
Colonizers
Good work !
What a waste of resources renaming places because of what happened in the past. Hey buddy, who lived there before your people?
His people? lol
Hey buddy? Have you heard the term -- Native American? It means we 're from here. Clayton is a Pomo Elder. This is Pomo Land. Do you live on Pomo Land, buddy? Native People lived here before. Period.
@@MargaretCraddock-hy9yw Yes, but who lived there BEFORE them? By your definition, I too, am a native American, several generations.
No one lived in North America before 25,000 years ago.
No one is native to that land
😤🤬
@40acresandatractor: Curious what you have to say here. just saw you on another site re; the WI shooting; Looked like it was some ugly players in the thread, Notsee and wytsubordinates, kaykaykay, and types. Stay strong.
saw u in a Wisconsin site. stay strong
The natives were conquered. It's the story of humanity since the dawn of time.
Nope, so wrong, not even ! We are here, never conquered. Still fighting and winning. 🪶 Or better said--- regaining what was taken.
didn't his parents give him his legal name?
I live there, we arnt changing the name. Get over History, and get off the reservations. Stop with the pity party.
So they are going to change the name of Kelseyville? Wow..
Sorry brother, that's what happens when you loose a war. Kelsey was the first American woman pioneer. You were not the first people here. It kind of goes that way. You are lucky the Chinese didn't take over your tribe first because they tend not to leave survivors.
wait wdym by american woman pioneer js wondering cause he was a guy
🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸❤️
@@KMW55official not sure if the gender was known back then
@@KMW55official Kelsey was her first name the first woman into CA
@@jamescoe4765 oh ok
25,000 years huh?
Yes. That’s what the archeological evidence tells us. Stop being combative.
Wow. Only in California🤦🏻♂️
How bout NOOOOOO!
most of the stuff from this guy is false... guess that is to be expected.... since no one is still around from 10k years ago.....
If no one was around from 10K years ago "in your words", how would you know if he was false or not? You don't have a leg to stand on to say anything.
@@itsjustme.2331 Look at you trying vainly to prove a negative. You might as well push a rock uphill.
@@itsjustme.2331 how does he know “his people” have been there for 25,000 years?
@@TiredAmerican247Because of archeological evidence. Your question is extraordinarily childish.
@ archeologists evidence? Where in California is the 25,000 year old evidence? They don’t even find stuff older than 10,000 to 12,000 in Egypt. Again, making up things to try and prove a point.
Change the name!
Bud, when you lose the battle the winner has every right to name or take what they want. Thats how war goes.
🥴
Then don't pretend to be civilized, Christian, or to have a conscience, if you are going to justify acting like an animal.
The "war" aint over- BUD! Now we fight in court, with words and with truth !
@ yeeeaaaaa, good luck. You’d have to start finding the truth first.
@@TiredAmerican247 will do !
he wants reparations
And, so?
Like all Democrats he thinks the name is racist. He also doesnt like when people call names.
Whatever you say, Kelsey
This has nothing to do with democrats or republicans. Many democrats have implemented racist and destructive policies against Indigenous people. The two parties are as the two wings of the same pterodactyl...all liars and thieves as far as Indigenous people are concerned. And now they are coming for you and your property ("You will own nothing and you will be happy"), at which point you will become the new "vanishing Indian" and know what it feels like.
I miss the Italian steak house
Clayton should change his own name. He's Pomo. Clayton is an Anglo-Saxxon name. smh & lol
I like all the facts.
best of luck to ya
Change it before trump starts naming cities after himself
Boo hoo 😢 trump won get over it.
Welcome to the United States of trump
we should change the name of san franciso while we're at it
Good idea - Muwekma Ohlone Tribe should have some great suggestions for the new , old original name of the land before Spanish stole it from the tribes. Thanks
An opportunity to Right A HUGE Wrong.
Where is our Assinine Gov't?
What was the huge wrong? Who decides it Indian land anyways?
on the way out
@@TiredAmerican247 Do you think murdering kids is bad?
Not asinine...corrupt to the core.
@@TiredAmerican247 You honestly don't know what was any of the huge wrongs done? if i go on about what the Kelsey Bros did here, this wwill gett senssored . So learn about it your self, why not. But bet in your heart you know.
And , "Who decides it Indian land anyways?" My humble answer:
It was already decided long ago. North America is Native American Land. Some Tribes on the East coast ( like mine, Haudenosaunee ) & mid west call the North American Continent Turtle Island. ( don't delete this !)
Im half Native American...no one is around during this happened while Lincoln conducted the largest execution in US history of Native Americans and some of my family innocent..and Lincoln is still revered to be some kind of a hero...if this guy is serious get rid of Lincoln also
Gee I wonder if Lincoln did anything else notable
Clayton works on local issues which have to do with his own tribe(s). If you actually are half-native, work on the issues that pertain to your own tribe (don't tell me you have a "cherokee princess grandmother" or that you are "half-Aztec"!)
@@raphael2336-h8r 🤣🤣🤣
If you voted for Trump give a thumbs up.
And smile...
Like changing the name on the Titanic.
❤😊
Old hippies have a wrong way of seeing the world (crying indian played by an italian American to the tune of Buffy Sainte-Marie song) If this man is speaking for his people, can not English people lay claim to 50k years of improving the lot of human science, medicine, and democracy to such a degree that he speaks English, wears English clothes, and owes his years to modern convenience? This is an old hippie more influenced by the 60s caricatures of native culture than his own lineage.
Triggered
What? No respect for Mr Kelsey?
!
He was an enslaver and rapist. So no.
none
No way dude, he's white. Automatically means he stole it from the most perfect peoples of the land. They were vegans and supported lgbtq and Gaza
Sounds exactly like something a Californian would do ! Cant just leave sht alone always trying to fix something that doesn’t need fixing!
They lost that’s it they took it from who ever was there before them.
Actually, those who win can do whatever they want. I'm so tired of this crap
You didn't win a fight that is still ongoing- now in the courts. We are not tired. 🪶
Listen bub...You're time is running short and I get that you're trying to leave a legacy but....Well, it won't matter much...When you're gone, no one will remember ya....You'll just be a foot note in your family album...So, do something for others instead of yourself with what little time you got left...
Damn ur comment lowkey sounds like a movie line
Listen bud, this is precisely what Clayton is doing, something for his people...he always has, including helping to create the rancheria with his aunt. And I can assure you that he will be remembered and honored, unlike you, who are an arrogant and ignorant nobody.
Cut the crap.
not even close to 25000 yrs. hundreds. most time is spent drinking to long at the river Lethe in the land of Nod.
Another ignorant commenter...
@@raphael2336-h8r they will get theirs --- change gonna come
If you believe some, Any, peoples have a "history" or "Civilization" of 25,000yrs then you are uneducated. Ignorant. Wrong. These are not established civilizations with writing and math. And those peoples last hundreds or maybe 3000 years. Sumer, 2500yrs, Rome 1000yrs. USA 250 yrs and sinking fast.
Ridiculous
💯Right.🪶
The strong ALWAYS take over the weak. That’s what humans do. Nothing will change.
Weak? - Everything changes. The only sure thing - IS change.
Your people were CONQUERED!! Get over it
never
@ keep crying. Doesn’t bother me losers
Damn this guy is triggered