Death of a 100 Year Old Gum Tree | Burnside Village Tree
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- The Burnside Village gum tree saga is what happens when you try to build a shopping mall on top of a 100 year old river red gum tree. It doesn’t go well.
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Preplanned Obsolescence: finally achieved what the Developers had Wanted all along.
Ooooooh...conspiracy!
I don't think they wanted to spend millions of dollars to try to keep it alive
@@GlacialLake they couldnt exactly appear to abandon it either. they do that and the whole town rips them a new one for just ignoring the problem
@@nathanharrison2 You're absolutely right. I'm certain that's why they had to spend so much to keep the tree alive. Legal consequences may also have been a factor, I don't know all the details.
I notice the beautiful old Art Deco post office building in Greenhill Rd got knocked down without much of a peep for the latest lot of development at Burnside Village. And it is Still a higglety pigglety crappy shopping centre to get anything useful done in day to day.
i know for a fact they were told in the planning stage,
that it would kill the tree.
they did it this way so they could get approval for the building of the center
and it was known from the outset the tree would die
and be removed at some point and the excuse to be used was " public safety ".
If the council (or etc) was serious they would have insisted on a significant, say $100 million or $200 million bond/security deposit. So that if ever the tree died, the mall management/ownership would be crying themselves to sleep at night. The fact that there was demonstrably no requirement even that "if anything happens to the original tree, you must replace it promptly with a new young tree of the same/similar variety" shows that even the council weren't serious about protecting it in the first place. Many trees including palms of many varieties including the Aussie native palms can cope with being in an indoor environment. But building concrete structures around an existing tree and roofing the effing thing over ? Nope, the council weren't even serious about REALLY protecting it. Replacing it with a plastic tree shows just how phoney the local politicians and mall ownership and management folks are.
Yes you are spot on. 3 impact statements they totally ignored. Absolute arrogance
If I was the council Ild make them make a sculpture of the old tree.
Totally killed it on purpose just had to pay the red tape tax “saving” the tree during the build.
or force them to pay people to replant REAL trees
Wouldve been cheaper to just cut it down from the start, the fines arent that big.
Rather than building a whole senter around.
@@williamszy2827 doubt it. Not only would it of been a PR nightmare, but oddly tree laws are extremely harsh. Ild expect the fine to be in the lots millions range. The amount could easily of made the project financially unsound.
@@collection6062 true add that on too. The idea was that they miss out on repurposing the space, which they gained by killing the tree
Tl;dr, some Australian developers building a shopping mall expansion murdered a perfectly good native tree that had been minding its own business for the past century.
and perfectly good native trees would have been "murdered" to build the home you live in right now, what's your point?
@@gde1989 bruh it’s a tl;dr
@@gde1989 calm down, its a tl;dr, no need to get all angry
@@gde1989 settle down there, snowflake
“TLDR” brother the video is 4 minutes long how short is your attention span lmao
it would have been an expensive operation, but it would have ultimately been a lot better for the tree if they'd dug it up and moved it. River Red Gums are quite tough trees and as long as they managed to retain a reasonable amount of the roots, it would most likely have survived.
It's actually really dangerous having people dining under a tree like this anyway. Red gums are notorious for dropping large branches for no apparent reason, and without any warning.
They should have left Burnside Village as it was. It was much better before.
weren't there nets up to catch falling branches?
@@maddo5501 yes, there were.
Its a freaking tree not the president. Its either chop it down or build around it and they apparently chose wrong.
@@MrSkme we don’t have a President in Australia. Very old trees are extremely valuable for biodiversity, which we are losing at a rapid rate.
Unfortunately, being from Adelaide, we have had quite the track record of bizarre decision making when it comes to infrastructure in the past. Take for example the original stage of the Southern Expressway being one way for half the day and then switching to the other for the last half 🤦🏼♂️
Don’t get me wrong it’s a great place to live, just some derpa derp moments from the “brains trust” 😆
I’ve got a video on the Southern Expressway - check it out!
I think that’s not a bad idea. If the traffic flow is mostly tidal, from the suburb towns and back, then why have all that extra highway doing nothing but cost money. Build half it, maintain half it, and get 90% of the benefits. May not have made sense there, I have no idea, but overall not a bad idea.
@@jackgibbons6013 pretty much how the state government factored it. And here we are! 😉
I actually remember both the Burnside village tree even, and the southern express way. The express way was always going in the wrong direction for my family.
I don't know if "enjoy" is the word I'd use to describe the video, but I'd so glad you made it! Such a sad, and ultimately predictable story. Thank you for sharing it!
I wouldn't be at all surprised if you also told me that the $5M spent trying to keep it alive came out of council's (i.e. the public's) maintenance budget for parks and bushland spaces.
I grew up just down the road from Burnside Village, it was always awesome to go down to Burnside Village after school or on the weekend. I don't think I talked to anyone when they were constructing it who didn't think it was just a legal way to remove the tree, as the originally planned to
It’s a shame they didn’t attempt to propagate cuttings. Technically, a cutting is an identical clone of the tree so they could’ve created numerous ‘copies’ that might’ve been planted in more suitable locations.
Back in the day there used to be a waterfall and lots of plant life in this shopping centre near where i lived until Westfield got their hands on it. A bit insulting that to this day it's still called "Garden City"
There is a shopping centre near me called Lakeside that used to have palm trees inside but they cut them all down (this reply is unrelated and useless but I don’t want to waste the effort that I used to type it)
@@brockthompson_ Name checks out hahaha but yeah, point is trees have no place in commercialism
holy shit, that's the one in booragoon right? i live pretty close by
@@d00styTV Mt Gravatt but interesting to see that this is widespread
So glad I discovered your channel! Awesome content that’s well researched and well presented - hope to see more of Adelaide!
Thanks - glad you’re enjoying them. There’s a bunch more Adelaide and SA content in the pipeline.
Bro same!
Something I learned a while back... UV rays don't pass through glass. So as a human, you won't get your daily vitamin D allowance sitting in front of a sunny window. I'd imagine the tree had similar issues.
this is such a meme i grew up next door the most wanky part of adelaide mate
Lived there most of my life, lovely part of Adelaide. I now live in NSW.
Popped in to have a poo, the toilet doors are as tall as the ceiling
that burnside representative lady seemed like such a wank. she pissed me off in like 3 seconds. could tell she hates the tree
Good job making this video, I live in Adelaide and seen the tree slowly die. This just shows you how sensitive nature is, not even $5 million in care could keep this tree alive.
There is another tree in Adelaide I kept note of, an even bigger tree than this 1. At the end of OG road, there was a tree hanging out in the middle of the road and cyclists had to go around it, they done a good thing and built the footpath larger and made it so the bike lane now goes up the foot path, it made things safer. But now the large tree was concreted in, it didn't take long at all (few months) and I quickly noticed the leaves turned brown. The leaves never come back this winter, and maybe after a year of the path being there they chopped the tree down.
So basically the council kills trees but we are no allowed to
How very sad. It's heartening to know others care about tree life tho
I remember being at the opening. It was known then that the tree would die from all the factors mentioned. And now I feel old - because that was 10 years ago!
As someone from Adelaide. Everyone said it was a bad idea before it was build this wasn’t hindsight it was obvious.
Exactly the same thing happened in Milton Keynes, UK with a huge Oak tree - built a shopping centre around it, and it died
"Pave paradise... put up a parking lot."
So very sad.
Love the style of these videos Julian! Keep it up!!!
They did the same thing to the beautiful trees at the Sunshine Plaza in Maroochydore, all to put chairs and tables in for Grill'd. Previous to pulling it down they actually spent thousands of dollars building a patio surrounding the trees, which they then decided to pull everything down and pave it instead. No more trees.
I don’t know if they worked on the redevelopment stage you’re talking about but the architects for Stage 3 of Burnside Village also worked on Sunshine Plaza
This is still a sore point for the locals. I moved to Adelaide and heard about it twice in my first week.
Great video! Do you know if they were fined for mismanagement? An expensive way to get rid of the tree regardless
No - I don’t think any action was taken. They’re in the process of another redevelopment ($300 million) and one of the parody sites suggested they bring in a 300 year old gun tree this time...
@@JulianOShea The deal the council should've made is 'you can build it, but if the tree dies you have to knock down the shopping centre at your own expense', then they would've thought twice
Great video Julian. I just have to name drop my Father-In-Law Silvio Apponyi who created the fountains/water features in Burnside Village, along with the Whales Tail fountain at Victor Harbor, the Sea Lion at Adelaide Zoo and the Wedge Tail Eagle at the Keswick Rail Terminal (and a whole lot more) :-)
3:15 I was not expecting to see a Z grade New Zealand "celebrity" when I started watching this video. Laughing at his own un-funny jokes as always. How the hell did he get the job?
From memory, he did something "outrageous" in NZ and was forced off tv there, so he moved here to a marketing campaign that labelled him as 'risky and politically incorrect' but his ratings tanked. No one cared and he soon realised Australia wasn't offended by him, we just didn't ecen notice him. He was swiftly given the boot.
Why the hell they didn't just build a courtyard around the tree instead of enclosing it I will never understand. Incredibly stupid move ?
I’d have thought a courtyard would have worked and been simple and lovely. Not to be.
Developers and Centre Management: The answer is simple, we can't climate control a courtyard.
@@JulianOShea cheaper too
Because they never had any intention of keeping the tree alive, the people who developed this wanky atrocity of a glasshouse are scum, and were told many many times by experts the tree wouldn't survive..
@@4bidn1 they probably knocked a few copper nails into it as they were building for good measure
Oh I live like a 5 min walk from that place. Yeah it was so sad when they removed it.
I have lived in SA my whole life and I have never heard about this. Granted I don't live in the Burnside region, but still thank you for telling this story.
Same happened at Australia Fair on the Gold Coast.
Quite predictable, but I am a pragmatist. Supposing they’d been given permission to remove the tree on the condition of planting 10,000 river red-gums elsewhere, maybe in a far better environment. The symbolism of preserving one tree is significant, but how significant? Net result right now is zero trees.
Wow, someone talking with a bit of sense. 👍
How about they didn’t expand the shopping centre in the first place? I think we would have coped.
The relentless logic of capitalism - expand, expand, expand until the planet is destroyed.
I'm sorry to say I found this video a little lacking in detail.
You mentioned at one point that they used full spectrum glass, and then later said the wrong type of glass was used. What exactly happened here?
More crucially though, it racked up over $5 million in botanical medical bills. Were the developers the ones made to pay that? Also, did they end up paying a fine for their failure to keep the tree alive, despite that being a condition of the development approval?
Lmao when the security guard kicked him out 🤣
Poor tree! I bet it wished a zillion times it could pick up its roots and hightail it out of there 😞😞😞
They missed a great opportunity, there are a number of artists who carve dead trees into sculptures. I have seen examples in SE SA and in Tassie. It could have been an amazing attraction.
As their recent marketing phrase went: 'Burnside Village - where fashion lives (but not gum trees)'
I don't see why it had to be fully enclosed EQ in Sydney has lots of trees and is open. The Gold Coast has a lot of open malls. Yes, rain is an issue but with covered walkways, seating areas (and obviously shops) you just live with the rain.
"and the who's who of adelaide were there" ahahah
I've been enjoying every video of yours so far, I like the format and the way you speak is clear and easy to understand and not dull
Awesome, thank you!
Burnside Village
Where Fashion Lives...
... and trees die
Burnside toffs, surprised they didn't a Gucci store or even a Lululemon shop in its place
Obviously an Adelaide guy! Last time I went to burnside village about 3 years ago, everyone seemed really depressed, and rude as well.
I am pretty sure the Burnside Village developers killed that tree.
We are talking about people who are killing Koalas for a bag of gold.
I remember when that tree was just a tree in a car park- when the only thing that was keeping that shopping centre alive was the late night chemist
Great job from the EPA and council!
This is so sad. Developers are utter scum. They got what they wanted, the slimy toerags.
That security “Guard” is such a tightass, who takes the effort to tell a news station with millions of viewers to stand of the premises .
@@esterbun9356 I was saying that as in the security guard would of known that people would obviously get mad over it.
He was literally just doing his job. He has to enforce managements rules if they make sense or not. He could be fired if he didn't.
We have trees that catch fire, burn themselves to a crisp and regrow in a few years!
The fact they couldn't keep one 100 year old tree alive for a year is pretty sad and disappointing.
They need strong sunlight to photosynthesise. It’s not rocket science.
@@HenriettaP I'm pointing out that Australian trees are considerably hardy trees and it usually takes a lot to kill them.
It's not just about light but also the wind and rain.
@@Lady-Fearn I would say the lack of light was the critical factor here.
They should have taken cuttings from it while it was still healthy and propogated them so it could have lived on.
Alternatively make the new extension a donut with the tree outside in the hole of the donut.
About 5 years ago they did the same thing to a tree in lilydale Victoria. But instead they didn't even try and save it or fix the problems it was causing (witch it was only ripping up the bus terminal bitumen/asphalt) what makes it even worse is the station and bus terminal have moved 200/300 metres
Whoa it's changed so much! I used to live in nearby Magill. My brother went to Linden Park Primary. I grew up in Adelaide in the late 90s. I can't remember it much but I certainly don't recognise it. I've been in Sydney for eons now. Still, what a change. I used to love the gum trees as I lived near the Gums in Magill. SA has tonnes of gum trees and they're the only trees I recognise (I'm quite bad at botany and recognising plant species). But every time I see a gum tree anywhere, I always think back to Adelaide, growing up there and I remember gum trees fondly and the smell of eucalyptus. What a pity they removed it :(
could of just built round it and have a nice centralised outside area why did they need a roof?
Bruh, I didn't know Paul Henry was on TV across the ditch
Hate that shopping centre...full of snobs.
The story of this tree and the shopping centre developer would make for a good episode of Utopia/Dreamland. Seriously though, now that the native tree is dead and gone, they should replace it with a species that can tolerate living indoors. The Toronto Eaton Centre was once filled with trees and greenery. It was all removed soon after 9/11 in an overreaction to terrorist attacks south of the border. My hometown mall also had indoor trees when I was young. They were eventually removed to make more room for kiosks and seasonal carts that sell things like sunglasses and hats in the summer and Hickory Farms cheese, touques and mittens in the winter. I hate it.
Your vids are very interesting. Keep it up fellow adelaidean! edit: if youre from adelaide lol
From SA and now a part time Adelaidean. :)
My favorite part of the video is how the guy at 4:08 says, "Poor tree."
Its sad and adorable at the same time.
It would have needed the critical heavy metals and UV to stay alive but that Roof killed it.
“The dreaded tree” - saying the quiet part loud.
I bet pat was ecstatic that the "dreaded tree" finally succumbed to commercial overtake. SMH
Great reporting. Loving your channel
Criminal. Shocking. Appalling. And it looked like nobody really cared. :(
It's a tree....
Someone selling a gumtree on Gumtree - such a missed opportunity for some comedy haha
Excellent vidéo. Very sad about the tree. 😞
Why didn't they just make it A courtyard? Or even just a round bit that's outside ?
This is the comment I was looking for, I can't help but think all throught the video, it's a no-brainer, clearly the best solution is to give it a wide berth, genuine fresh air & sun. An open courtyard within the center would make the whole place feel better.
I was thinking the same.
Why put a roof over it?
How easy it would have been to leave it in the open.
I pass by this shopping center on our way to a relative's place on the odd occasion. I remember as a kid seeing the massive tree through the glass of the front entrance, before one day seeing it gone. I always wondered exactly what happened to it, even though I already knew it was due to human negligence that made it sick. Now that I know exactly what was wrong, it makes me even angrier than when I was young.
I remember when the tree was there!
This makes me kinda sad
Old trees should never be cut down unless they are dangerous. This determination should be made by a qualified independent arborist.
never thought somewhere i go regularly would show up here
Without having been there, I could have told you this would have ended this way. Leaving the tree in place, but having taken away it’s natural environment and what should you have expected to occur?
Dude I worked at that Cibo as the tree was dying (2015) It was ridiculous.
you were the one who misspelt my name after school huh
I preferred the old Cibo location too.
We live in a society
It's easy to say all this with the benefit of hindsight, but millions of dollars weren't spent on people who didn't know their stuff about trees.
Hi Julian, I love your work! Would you consider a visit to perth? We could use some better PR here in the export state….
Sure will! As soon as borders come down, sign me up
@@JulianOShea that would be awesome! Let me know if you want to be picked up from the airport. Happy to show you around and buy you a beer!
@@JulianOShea Not anytime soon it seems (unless your a footballer, or should that be hand egg, grrrr)
We are, for now at least, mask free and off to the pub for a meal any night. It’s buying us some time for the rest of us to get vaccinated. Stay safe.
that glass roof they got, does it have UV and infrared blocking film or tinting on it? these types of glass in shopping centre usually do. cuts down heaps on air conditioning costs. but if that's the case, blocking 90% of the sun's energy and only letting mostly visible spectrum of light through means not enough photosynthesis can occur, no matter how much nutrients or stuff they pump into it it would never survive.
According to what someone from Burnside Council said... a particular glass type was approved in an arborist report, and signed off by Burnside Council, and then the aircon design changed, different glass type ended up being used, exactly as you described to reduce aircon costs. Did the arborist re-approve this change of glass, and was this highlighted to Burnside Council? Keep digging and you'll find your answers.
5 million dollars to take care of it. Bloody hell.
Yeah that is fucked. The Arborist who did the original tree assessment should have their ass kicked. You should look into another tree horror story ... the Elms removed from Punt Rd Richmond. No expense spared crane lifting them, burlapping them & transporting them to the boundary of the Royal Botanic Gardens to await transplant. All went great until the council forgot to water them during summer. xD
I think the death knoll was in the logo. A Canadian maple leaf instead of a eucalyptus leaf.
In the rest of Australia they're called shopping centres. They use the American term in South Adelaide?
Great channel mate.
Eye saw that, you do some great videos keep it up cheers.
You should check out the old gum tree in glenelg and the constant struggle to maintain it. It's basicly rotting concrete.
Completely irrelevant. This was a healthy tree that they killed by a corrupt decision.
This is GRIM
Poor tree was alright
Breakfast TV and their terrible puns
While I'm all for trees, hate seeing them needlessly cut down and advocate for more to be planted, there needs to be more rational thinking when it comes to certain situations. This is a shopping centre in the middle of suburbia, saving one tree just because of its age really does not make sense. The council should have forced the developer to move the tree to a park, or encouraged the food court area to have been outdoor instead of that roof. Or forced them to create a rooftop park planting hundreds of new trees and greenery (I feel this needs to be done for all shopping centres). People here seem to lament the loss of once tree IN ESTABLISHED SUBURBIA but everyday thousands of trees are being cut down on the outskirts of our cities to accommodate further urban sprawl, bushland that would have actually been habitat to wildlife.
There was actually no need to expand Burnside Village in the first place. It was a much nicer shopping centre before they “upgraded” it. It’s just greed.
Utter madness. 😢
Poor tree, it's a very sad story. There's a reason why most plants are outdoors only. "Indoor" plants are only called as such because they can tolerate low light but really they still thrive better with outdoor (shady) positions. Think of all the animals (mammals, marsupials, birds, invertebrates etc) that relied on that big tree for habitat, shelter and food and now upscale that loss times a million or more regarding deforestation that is greedily still being allowed to happen by our stupid government
The tree actually gave the shithole some character
Nothing lasts, including your tombstone.
Frost + stone = sand
Tree NEEDS TO BE OUTSIDE, Thats That !
That is why I will never shop there
I've never been there, besides there's too many hypocrites living in Burnside.
Another great video.... awful outcome. 🥲
And what’s the go with empty land on the corner there now?
d**n so putting trees in tree museums doesn't work when you pave over paradise.
A very sad example of the destructive power of humans.
If it's in the way, chop it down. Or if you can't chop it down then build over the top and wait for it to die. Seems to be the unpleasant reality.
theres a tree in my shopping centre its not dead its been there for idk how long its in the food court under glass next to a fire place and after this is think its fake but it looks so real
Am I crazy for thinking that a skeleton of a dead tree with its leaves cut off would still look better than nothing?
Firewood. They couldn't even be buggered to slab it and make something of it. I dream of a day when local councils weren't a limb of the local Chamber of Commerce. Humans will die from their own banality. They're slicing away at the arboretum now.
I wish you would talk more about indigenous sites being ruined and defaced because of situations like this as it’s way too common. Also I really wish you would add traditional place names out of respect of who’s land ur on.
“A who’s who of Adelaide”. I can’t name one Adelaide celeb lol
I only recognised Senator Natasha Stott-Despoja