Yup, you did end the charge manually the first time Bob. You pressed the top left button a fraction of a second after it had started the charge... the button that was CCS is the "stop charging" button while it's charging. CCS has always had the ability to start the charge...even without the cards. It can technically operate the same way as Tesla super chargers... just plug in and charge.. because CCS allows the car to send a unique vehicle specific identifier to the charger which can be linked to billing information. Other charging networks like FastNed do that already, with the same model of charger ESB is using (efacec QC45). Oh... and fastned have multiple rapids per site (up to 350kW)... and roofs over the chargers
This is why Tesla EV's are so successful. Period. The problem is the car is not designed well enough to optimise charging AC & DC; plus your charging infrastructure is 3rd class.
@David, I have seen enough review videos with a Tesla, to understand that the charging speed at the DC station used in this video would give exact the same results! If the Mercedes is charged at an Ionity fast charger than the difference with Tesla will not be so much different; for sure not compared with the charging curve. Mercedes performs better above a 50% SoC than Tesla! Even on a v3 SuC, then the Model 3 will get 250 kWh; but only for a short period during the entire charging session.
@@philipclaeys6920 Hi Philip, I don't disagree with much of what you say. However, with the Tesla charging infrastructure the 'pumps' are pretty-much 100% reliable, they are all marked on the GPS in the car and their status is also available on-screen. With Ionity and even more Ecotricity, the reliability is just appalling, which renders them useless. In other words, it's not just speed of charge that's important, it's the whole package. Never forget though that all EV owners can have a wallbox (parking space permitting) and charge up their cars on cheap rate, clean energy. Imagine a world where every morning your car has a full 'tank' before you've got out of bed or finished your breakfast
Hi from Cumbria Bob. Too expensive and too flawed. Good job you can hand the thing back. I’ve always wondered why the electric charge stations have no roofs, to me that is ludicrous especially when your handling electrics ⚡️⚡️⚡️ I know they are probably safe but it is just the thought of water and electric. As always, great review Bob. Your reviews are complete and unbiased. Top Gear and Fifth Gear should really learn from you my friend.
Mr. Bob, the official WLTP range of the EQC is 417 km; i did a test-drive with the EQC and based on my driving style the car showed me a consumption of 21kWh/100 KM, which means i can do 380 km on one charge. The test-drive took a whole day and I did around 400 km. Where do you get that 300 km max range from?
4 years and he did not respond, think the respond never is coming :| I found this confusing, from what other is saying it should be around 1.9-2.2kw/10km
@Tom, if you can charge at home than there is nothing to worry about, you charge at night while you are sleeping! When you are on the road, you go to Ionity fast chargers and no problem to charge at 110 kWh; for the other DC charging points (50 kW), every EV will suffer, because it only can charge as fast as the output of the charger. And the 300 km mentioned in the video is far from true! I took an EQC for a whole weekend on a test-drive and with my driving style I achieved a consumption of slightly lower than 21kwh/100 km, which gives a range of above 370 km.
You’re right. The non-Tesla infrastructure is shit. Today. But as the number of EVs ramps up the number and reliability will increase in line. The main problem today is reliability. I chose a Tesla and haven’t struggled with charging away from home.
Perfect video...to exemplify why 95%+ of consumers in the U.S., EU, UK, Ireland, etc...STILL prefer to buy an ICEV when it comes time for a new car, and they pass on EV's in a heartbeat. In the time it took you to fiddle and curse at the charger, others would've been fueled up to full in their ICEV's and on their way with another 400+ miles of range. So, in short...ICEV = 5 min. "recharge" time to full to go another 400 miles...while the EQC, 1500% SLOWER to go a measly 186 miles. NOPE!! Not gonna fly! Until EV's can match the convenience and practicality of ICEV's (i.e. 5-min "refuel" to full, 400 miles of range, $25,000 pricetag), it will be a LONG, LONGGGGGGG time before we see any mass adoption of electric cars.
Hi Bob, completed a study re the induction of electric Vehicles across the public service, unfortunately if this happen, the electric charging network is simply not there to support this,, massive smoke and mirrors by the Gov on this !! and this Gov plan to carbon tax the life out of us in the meantime in lieu of no real alternative to motorists whom commute long distances 😡
Need government support to get charging infrastructure up and running. In Hong Kong, government provides subsidies and encourages car parks to install charging stations
I've no idea why you can't get the full 7kW at home, but it's really only Renault that care about fast public AC charging, the Germans are all about fast DC charging with the likes of Ionity. The battery on the EQC is so large that you're wasting your time trying to fill it up on a nominal 50kW charge point, you're not supposed to be sitting there in the car, those are the kind of charging rates you expect when destination charging overnight at a hotel.
First video I watched from you and you said lot of fully subjectives and wrong informations... And you are continuously speak about problems. EQC has several advantages against Tesla, but of course you avoided to speak about it... I own a EQC and I know what I'm talking about.
For most people that can charge at home it will be no problem. Even with 3,4 kw. Not that common to drive 300km every day. If you drive 25 000km per year, that`s under 70km per day. If you plug in when you get home it will take 5 hours to recharge the amount you spent( under 2,5 hours on 7,4kW). Before you bye an EV you have to know your driving habits, and if you want to drive til empty before you charge up to full, then you should stick to fossil.
I'm sorry to say that there is a lot of incorrect information in this video. The first thing I want to mention is reach. In Norway, they recently had the biggest range test ever (motor.no/audi-bmw-elbil/vinter-296-km-sommer-512-km/171564) And the Mercedes EQC drove 434 km. The EQC 400 can charge up to a maximum of 110 kW DC. From 10 to 80 percent takes about 35-40 minutes.
Im not in Norway, the car tested is not the same, I’m not at the same charger. Apples and oranges dude, grind your EV axe elsewhere. That35 minute nonsense for an 80% charge is just a myth, depends on temperature, charger and which direction the wind is blowing.
@@BobFlavinVideo Hello again, I'm not saying this to be rude to you. But the car you tested has exactly the same battery. EQC only comes with this battery. It's just that I know from my own experience that this car can charge from 10 to 80 percent in 35-40 minutes at an IONITY charging station with a 110 kW charging capacity. I know we are lucky in Norway because it is well developed with charging stations. Andreas
I'm puzzled about why you consider a ten seconds delay to plug in at home each night as being a problem. That would mean you had full range available every morning. And on a road trip beyond range almost all Rapids would get you from 20% to 80% battery in 30 or 40 minutes while you have a driving break. Wanting to have 600 miles range - like diesel - and driving unit empty makes no sense when you can top up every night with hardly any extra work involved. And I would suggest that anybody spending €100k on a car would also have off road parking to charge at home every night. For people without drives there is a problem for sure and they obviously need more Rapids dotted around.
Are you sure that this particular car doesn't have a battery issue? Bjorn Nyland had issues with the Mercedes too but that was traced to a faulty battery.
It’s good to the the reality of living with electric cars. Still fancy an i3 Rex, I really do, but I suspect there will be a Golf ICE in my garage very soon
Bob I really want to buy an electric car for my next car. For environmental reasons. BUT the range is crap (until it’s 500km real range) for the driving I do. And these public chargers are now sneaking the prices up so diesel is almost as cheap to fill. So what’s the point? They cost a bomb, refilling takes ages and public charging costs a fortune now too. But nobody seems to talk about that!! I’m a Cork to Dublin and back again once a week motorway user with the rest city driving.
Hi Bob, good review of the car. My question is to do with the home charging. You said you only got 3.4KW from your home charger that is capable of 7.4KW. The charging speed is dictated by the car so you must have configured the car for slow charging or it was given to you already configured like that. I enjoy your reviews, keep up the good work.
That's the big issue Chris, there could be any number of things wrong with the system. If could be the car, the EV box or the cable or just a setting that's overlooked. There is no setting or faults when pumping fuel, it's there or it isn't. The big problem is that I didn't realise that it wasn't charging at full speed until the next morning when I thought it would be full!
@@BobFlavinVideo this isn't really the big issue because it only happens the 1st time. The big problem is the other issue that you so eloquently mention, is the DC charging infrastructure. Its expensive, so few are installed. If the governments want everyone to drive EVs, then they have to encourage a decent infrastructure. This is even more important than rebates on EVs, because it doesn't matter how much discount you get if it can't be charged due to faulty chargers or queues.
@Martin Pitt, Eeeuhhh, i-pace has the same charging capability as EQC; according the sales guy and the website of Jaguar is the the charging speed at AC 7,4 kWh and on DC 100 kWh. In what way where you disappointed about the EQC?
How would it ever work on a home charger (mostly 7kw). You'd need to stop driving at 6pm. This is the reason why the ESB should never have been given the recharge point contract. They don't do retail well. Big power stations they understand
Liking before watching cause I may fall asleep listening to charging information. I heard this the other day, "we will be forced to drive these types of cars in future, why drive one now"? I owned several hybrids over the years, I'm gonna stick with the big hp petrol engines for now.
Now we know why Mercedes isn't bringing that thing to the US, they don't want to be embarrassed. How is it possible to build a 105K car with so little range and such slow charging?. You can have two Model Ys for that price. 316 miles of range, 250KW Supercharging, 11KW level 2 charging at home and better performance.
Being a Tesla owner I would love to join you in a bit of Mec bashing but to be fair you were mixing up the specific intention of destination chargers and rapid chargers. I'm sure you know destination chargers are just that - you go to a destination (eg restaurant, cinema, shopping etc) which will necessarily occupy a few hours of time at least and during that time you can get some miles added to your range. 2 hours with that Merc even at 7.4Kw should add around 40 miles which should be way less than your round trip to the (local) destination.
first time watching Bob Flavin - he definitely knows he's EV. for the first 5 minutes I thought he hated EVs ....he just hates how slow EVs charge and especially the Mercedes EQC. I love how he avoids using the "T" world and uses "other EVs". Bob, don't be afraid to say it. Tesla leads in EVs, batteries, range, efficiency. Sure mercedes makes a luxurious car but if you are looking for an EV, does anything else compare? no....not yet.
If the battery is nearly full you won't get 7 kW on AC. How many car manufacturers support 3 phase 22 kW charging? (we won't ever get that in North America--some CCS dc chargers at 24 kW at car dealers)
Bob, You need different approach to EV. You don’t run it down to 20% and then recharge. You charge it whenever you can. In that way, you are mostly 80%+ all the time. This is how we do it here in Hong Kong
Yes, Jaguar, Mercedes, Audi, whathaveyou make lush interiors. But what good is it if the car gets you nowhere without a hassle? Get a Tesla. Problems solved. Tesla figured this out: First get the tech of the car right. Then get the charging part right. And if you *then* top it off with an adequate interior people will love it.
As you say a 105k car will be driven by wealthy people with little to drive anywhere. Just to look good when do. In that sense charging is no issue for them.
€0.31 per kWh........that's some markup!!!! Electricity normally costs €0.20 per kWh and that is an ESB charger, I thought things were supposed to be cheaper when you buy directly from the manufacturer. Buy a Diesel!! Great video!
@@AdrianMcDaid If that's the case it would be better if there was a cost per minute and the normal rate for electricity, that would discourage people from plugging in and leaving their car there all day when they only need an hour of charge. If it cost €2 per hour you would be very reluctant to leave your car there all day!
I drive the BMW i3 with the tiny 1st gen battery. Have easily done road trips in it to the Scottish Highlands. It's not that difficult, just learn the basics please.
Did you watch the review or are you just upset at the thought of a car being reviewed? An i3 or the Scottish Highlands have nothing whatsoever to do with this review but thanks for the comment.
@@BobFlavinVideo I did watch the full video. Just to mention a couple of specific points... #1: The charger not working was a mistake on your side. #2: Not being careful about using the correct units (kW, kWh, kWh/h). #3: IONITY is very similar to Tesla Superchargers where with the Merc you don't need to use a card or an app but you can start the charge directly from the car and it gets billed automatically to you. #4: If you press the unlock button it usually wakes up the instrument cluster. #5: Not keeping the car plugged in when not in use and running it all the way down to 0 is much worse for the battery degradation in the long-term. We plug in our phones overnight, don't see why a car would be so much extra hassle. #6: Quite a few charging stations now do have the roof cover. Often with solar panels on top. The reason why I used the i3 as an example is because it realistically gets about 80 miles on a charge yet I managed to do journeys even through very remote areas in a reasonable time without any range anxiety. By you saying that the future of motoring is waiting about at broken charging stations is a bit exaggerated. It's like saying that smartphones are terrible because they don't last a week on a charge like older phones used to, yet are much more capable. I did not want to sound like a hater, but as a journalist who informs the public, I would just expect you to be fully comfortable with the product (and doing background research as necessary). I am more than happy for you to contact me and we can discuss anything in more detail...
Bob come on man no one will be able to afford any of these cars after we’re done with corona virus 🦠, let’s get back to ice. Review the new Gti and let’s us all enjoy driving before we are all wiped off the planet
bruts82 if I understand him right on the stream yesterday he has already filmed this video some days ago, he will put up one video/day this week and right now he sitting in quarantine.
Your comments are very misleading about charging rates for the EQC. Other channels who've tested properly show this vehicle charged more rapidly than other EVs, even the Teslas. Also, you didn't explain DC & AC charging. The Mercedes engineers must be very dismayed when seeing videos like yours because you haven't been objective.
This is the problem with e.vs they need to be better than i.c.e in every way including refueling and range its only sticky plaster on the problem.if e.vs are to be successful i need to get out of a ice car and see no reason to look back.
You say it's an outstanding vehicle, but to me it is so compromised. Voice operation just doesn't work - end of story for this luxury car feature; charging this EV is too problematic.
Damn, and here I was here thinking the US had some shit EV charging infrastructure but you guys took the cake. I obviously don't have an EQC here but of the EVs I've rented it's always been as simple as pay, plug in and charge, and Teslas are even easier.
Opening statement is completely misleading. You say the problem is with the charger but then going onto to the limitation is with the car, there it’s the car is the problem.
great review - why do leading car makers also insist on trying to replicate iphone for user interface on tech - check out the fingerprints on the display at 7.09 which is exactly the effect most of these latest infotainment systems have - surely mercedes etc could do more innovative research into better practical interface systems instead of just sticking in an ipad into the dash ;-) Bring back the knobs indeed !!
Yep, and battery capacity is measured In kilowatt-hours, not kilowatts. Not just being a pedant here: getting it right means you can work things out, e.g. an 80kWh capacity battery would take 2 hours to charge from empty to full when supplied at 40kW (or perhaps a little bit longer due to inefficiencies).
Surely not many EV's out there charge at much more than 7kw AC? I thought the AC chargers were for shopping centres and businesses etc, so you can top up on free juice while you use their services ala Lidl and now Tesco!
Yup, you did end the charge manually the first time Bob. You pressed the top left button a fraction of a second after it had started the charge... the button that was CCS is the "stop charging" button while it's charging. CCS has always had the ability to start the charge...even without the cards. It can technically operate the same way as Tesla super chargers... just plug in and charge.. because CCS allows the car to send a unique vehicle specific identifier to the charger which can be linked to billing information. Other charging networks like FastNed do that already, with the same model of charger ESB is using (efacec QC45). Oh... and fastned have multiple rapids per site (up to 350kW)... and roofs over the chargers
Great bit of info there as always.
Bob you should have a TV show, you are by far the best motor journalist out there, it's like Top Gear for grown ups.
This is why Tesla EV's are so successful. Period. The problem is the car is not designed well enough to optimise charging AC & DC; plus your charging infrastructure is 3rd class.
@David, I have seen enough review videos with a Tesla, to understand that the charging speed at the DC station used in this video would give exact the same results! If the Mercedes is charged at an Ionity fast charger than the difference with Tesla will not be so much different; for sure not compared with the charging curve. Mercedes performs better above a 50% SoC than Tesla! Even on a v3 SuC, then the Model 3 will get 250 kWh; but only for a short period during the entire charging session.
@@philipclaeys6920 Hi Philip, I don't disagree with much of what you say. However, with the Tesla charging infrastructure the 'pumps' are pretty-much 100% reliable, they are all marked on the GPS in the car and their status is also available on-screen. With Ionity and even more Ecotricity, the reliability is just appalling, which renders them useless.
In other words, it's not just speed of charge that's important, it's the whole package. Never forget though that all EV owners can have a wallbox (parking space permitting) and charge up their cars on cheap rate, clean energy.
Imagine a world where every morning your car has a full 'tank' before you've got out of bed or finished your breakfast
🤣 the best review of an electric car so far on you tube
Hi from Cumbria Bob. Too expensive and too flawed. Good job you can hand the thing back. I’ve always wondered why the electric charge stations have no roofs, to me that is ludicrous especially when your handling electrics ⚡️⚡️⚡️ I know they are probably safe but it is just the thought of water and electric.
As always, great review Bob. Your reviews are complete and unbiased. Top Gear and Fifth Gear should really learn from you my friend.
What i learned from this video is that i still need to wait at least a couple of years to get an EV.
Mr. Bob, the official WLTP range of the EQC is 417 km; i did a test-drive with the EQC and based on my driving style the car showed me a consumption of 21kWh/100 KM, which means i can do 380 km on one charge. The test-drive took a whole day and I did around 400 km. Where do you get that 300 km max range from?
4 years and he did not respond, think the respond never is coming :| I found this confusing, from what other is saying it should be around 1.9-2.2kw/10km
Lovely car, Savage price!
Great review, perfectly sums up the dilemma of wanting to drive and own the EQC
@Tom, if you can charge at home than there is nothing to worry about, you charge at night while you are sleeping! When you are on the road, you go to Ionity fast chargers and no problem to charge at 110 kWh; for the other DC charging points (50 kW), every EV will suffer, because it only can charge as fast as the output of the charger. And the 300 km mentioned in the video is far from true! I took an EQC for a whole weekend on a test-drive and with my driving style I achieved a consumption of slightly lower than 21kwh/100 km, which gives a range of above 370 km.
You’re right. The non-Tesla infrastructure is shit. Today. But as the number of EVs ramps up the number and reliability will increase in line. The main problem today is reliability. I chose a Tesla and haven’t struggled with charging away from home.
Perfect video...to exemplify why 95%+ of consumers in the U.S., EU, UK, Ireland, etc...STILL prefer to buy an ICEV when it comes time for a new car, and they pass on EV's in a heartbeat. In the time it took you to fiddle and curse at the charger, others would've been fueled up to full in their ICEV's and on their way with another 400+ miles of range.
So, in short...ICEV = 5 min. "recharge" time to full to go another 400 miles...while the EQC, 1500% SLOWER to go a measly 186 miles. NOPE!! Not gonna fly!
Until EV's can match the convenience and practicality of ICEV's (i.e. 5-min "refuel" to full, 400 miles of range, $25,000 pricetag), it will be a LONG, LONGGGGGGG time before we see any mass adoption of electric cars.
Hi Bob, completed a study re the induction of electric Vehicles across the public service, unfortunately if this happen, the electric charging network is simply not there to support this,, massive smoke and mirrors by the Gov on this !! and this Gov plan to carbon tax the life out of us in the meantime in lieu of no real alternative to motorists whom commute long distances 😡
Need government support to get charging infrastructure up and running. In Hong Kong, government provides subsidies and encourages car parks to install charging stations
You want to know how much your charging while waiting I suggest you use the “Mercedes me” App
Excellent review Bob..
Thank you!
Hi Bob, just wondering if you could clarify what you think about the speed of the charge in this vehicle. Many thanks.
Really hope this review gets the views it deserves!!Thumbs up from me!!
The end bits are the best bits.
In 2020 you only charge AC at your home now at 11KW, outside you do DC CCS with 110KW max.
Sorry but in Norway, latest charger have 350KW.
He’s not in Norway.
I've no idea why you can't get the full 7kW at home, but it's really only Renault that care about fast public AC charging, the Germans are all about fast DC charging with the likes of Ionity. The battery on the EQC is so large that you're wasting your time trying to fill it up on a nominal 50kW charge point, you're not supposed to be sitting there in the car, those are the kind of charging rates you expect when destination charging overnight at a hotel.
ESB should have a line of chargers there. 150kwh chargers still having single rapid chargers in one place is a bollicks
Agreed, if chargers were everywhere and standard we'd all have a much easier time.
@@BobFlavinVideo especially outside there HQ I know that charger very well it's always busy. From your pal in the north.
Your honesty great
Great real world review
First video I watched from you and you said lot of fully subjectives and wrong informations... And you are continuously speak about problems. EQC has several advantages against Tesla, but of course you avoided to speak about it... I own a EQC and I know what I'm talking about.
For most people that can charge at home it will be no problem. Even with 3,4 kw. Not that common to drive 300km every day. If you drive 25 000km per year, that`s under 70km per day. If you plug in when you get home it will take 5 hours to recharge the amount you spent( under 2,5 hours on 7,4kW). Before you bye an EV you have to know your driving habits, and if you want to drive til empty before you charge up to full, then you should stick to fossil.
Hey Bob, what's with the shift paddles on the steering wheel?
jakemybigblackdog on an EV, the paddles adjust the force of the regenerative braking
Zoe can pull 22kw on ac charger
I'm sorry to say that there is a lot of incorrect information in this video. The first thing I want to mention is reach. In Norway, they recently had the biggest range test ever (motor.no/audi-bmw-elbil/vinter-296-km-sommer-512-km/171564)
And the Mercedes EQC drove 434 km.
The EQC 400 can charge up to a maximum of 110 kW DC. From 10 to 80 percent takes about 35-40 minutes.
Im not in Norway, the car tested is not the same, I’m not at the same charger. Apples and oranges dude, grind your EV axe elsewhere. That35 minute nonsense for an 80% charge is just a myth, depends on temperature, charger and which direction the wind is blowing.
@@BobFlavinVideo
Hello again,
I'm not saying this to be rude to you.
But the car you tested has exactly the same battery. EQC only comes with this battery.
It's just that I know from my own experience that this car can charge from 10 to 80 percent in 35-40 minutes at an IONITY charging station with a 110 kW charging capacity.
I know we are lucky in Norway because it is well developed with charging stations.
Andreas
I'm puzzled about why you consider a ten seconds delay to plug in at home each night as being a problem. That would mean you had full range available every morning. And on a road trip beyond range almost all Rapids would get you from 20% to 80% battery in 30 or 40 minutes while you have a driving break. Wanting to have 600 miles range - like diesel - and driving unit empty makes no sense when you can top up every night with hardly any extra work involved. And I would suggest that anybody spending €100k on a car would also have off road parking to charge at home every night. For people without drives there is a problem for sure and they obviously need more Rapids dotted around.
Great video, thanks Bob!
Are you sure that this particular car doesn't have a battery issue? Bjorn Nyland had issues with the Mercedes too but that was traced to a faulty battery.
It’s good to the the reality of living with electric cars. Still fancy an i3 Rex, I really do, but I suspect there will be a Golf ICE in my garage very soon
Mine seems to charge OK: up to 7.4 kWh at home and up to 115 kWh on super tepid charge. It is a 2021 model though 🇬🇧
Bob I really want to buy an electric car for my next car. For environmental reasons. BUT the range is crap (until it’s 500km real range) for the driving I do. And these public chargers are now sneaking the prices up so diesel is almost as cheap to fill. So what’s the point? They cost a bomb, refilling takes ages and public charging costs a fortune now too. But nobody seems to talk about that!! I’m a Cork to Dublin and back again once a week motorway user with the rest city driving.
Bob is it worth the extra 50K more than the EV6 ??
Hi Bob, good review of the car. My question is to do with the home charging. You said you only got 3.4KW from your home charger that is capable of 7.4KW. The charging speed is dictated by the car so you must have configured the car for slow charging or it was given to you already configured like that. I enjoy your reviews, keep up the good work.
That's the big issue Chris, there could be any number of things wrong with the system. If could be the car, the EV box or the cable or just a setting that's overlooked. There is no setting or faults when pumping fuel, it's there or it isn't. The big problem is that I didn't realise that it wasn't charging at full speed until the next morning when I thought it would be full!
@@BobFlavinVideo this isn't really the big issue because it only happens the 1st time. The big problem is the other issue that you so eloquently mention, is the DC charging infrastructure. Its expensive, so few are installed. If the governments want everyone to drive EVs, then they have to encourage a decent infrastructure. This is even more important than rebates on EVs, because it doesn't matter how much discount you get if it can't be charged due to faulty chargers or queues.
This is why I dropped Mercedes after 18 years and went for the Jaguar I-Pace instead. I was really disappointed with the EQC.
@Martin Pitt, Eeeuhhh, i-pace has the same charging capability as EQC; according the sales guy and the website of Jaguar is the the charging speed at AC 7,4 kWh and on DC 100 kWh. In what way where you disappointed about the EQC?
How would it ever work on a home charger (mostly 7kw). You'd need to stop driving at 6pm. This is the reason why the ESB should never have been given the recharge point contract. They don't do retail well. Big power stations they understand
Who drives 300km in a day? Most people wouldn’t do more than 100km, mostly about 60km
Liking before watching cause I may fall asleep listening to charging information. I heard this the other day, "we will be forced to drive these types of cars in future, why drive one now"? I owned several hybrids over the years, I'm gonna stick with the big hp petrol engines for now.
Now we know why Mercedes isn't bringing that thing to the US, they don't want to be embarrassed. How is it possible to build a 105K car with so little range and such slow charging?. You can have two Model Ys for that price. 316 miles of range, 250KW Supercharging, 11KW level 2 charging at home and better performance.
Being a Tesla owner I would love to join you in a bit of Mec bashing but to be fair you were mixing up the specific intention of destination chargers and rapid chargers. I'm sure you know destination chargers are just that - you go to a destination (eg restaurant, cinema, shopping etc) which will necessarily occupy a few hours of time at least and during that time you can get some miles added to your range. 2 hours with that Merc even at 7.4Kw should add around 40 miles which should be way less than your round trip to the (local) destination.
Nice review... But what about its charging capabilities?
new EQCs come with 11kw AC chargers now!!!!! :)
first time watching Bob Flavin - he definitely knows he's EV. for the first 5 minutes I thought he hated EVs ....he just hates how slow EVs charge and especially the Mercedes EQC. I love how he avoids using the "T" world and uses "other EVs". Bob, don't be afraid to say it. Tesla leads in EVs, batteries, range, efficiency. Sure mercedes makes a luxurious car but if you are looking for an EV, does anything else compare? no....not yet.
Agreed Joe, Tesla have the charging and range problems sorted. Now if they could make the Model X feel like this EQC I'd fork out money for one!
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If the battery is nearly full you won't get 7 kW on AC. How many car manufacturers support 3 phase 22 kW charging? (we won't ever get that in North America--some CCS dc chargers at 24 kW at car dealers)
Could almost have two diesel E-Class for that money and you’d wouldn’t get wet 🤣.
Bob, You need different approach to EV. You don’t run it down to 20% and then recharge. You charge it whenever you can. In that way, you are mostly 80%+ all the time. This is how we do it here in Hong Kong
Yes, Jaguar, Mercedes, Audi, whathaveyou make lush interiors. But what good is it if the car gets you nowhere without a hassle?
Get a Tesla. Problems solved. Tesla figured this out: First get the tech of the car right. Then get the charging part right. And if you *then* top it off with an adequate interior people will love it.
Sorry, I didn't quite get it. How does it charge? ; )
As you say a 105k car will be driven by wealthy people with little to drive anywhere. Just to look good when do. In that sense charging is no issue for them.
€0.31 per kWh........that's some markup!!!! Electricity normally costs €0.20 per kWh and that is an ESB charger, I thought things were supposed to be cheaper when you buy directly from the manufacturer. Buy a Diesel!! Great video!
You still have to pay for the charger the inferscture the call centre all the maintance work .
@@AdrianMcDaid If that's the case it would be better if there was a cost per minute and the normal rate for electricity, that would discourage people from plugging in and leaving their car there all day when they only need an hour of charge. If it cost €2 per hour you would be very reluctant to leave your car there all day!
I drive the BMW i3 with the tiny 1st gen battery. Have easily done road trips in it to the Scottish Highlands. It's not that difficult, just learn the basics please.
Did you watch the review or are you just upset at the thought of a car being reviewed? An i3 or the Scottish Highlands have nothing whatsoever to do with this review but thanks for the comment.
@@BobFlavinVideo I did watch the full video. Just to mention a couple of specific points...
#1: The charger not working was a mistake on your side.
#2: Not being careful about using the correct units (kW, kWh, kWh/h).
#3: IONITY is very similar to Tesla Superchargers where with the Merc you don't need to use a card or an app but you can start the charge directly from the car and it gets billed automatically to you.
#4: If you press the unlock button it usually wakes up the instrument cluster.
#5: Not keeping the car plugged in when not in use and running it all the way down to 0 is much worse for the battery degradation in the long-term. We plug in our phones overnight, don't see why a car would be so much extra hassle.
#6: Quite a few charging stations now do have the roof cover. Often with solar panels on top.
The reason why I used the i3 as an example is because it realistically gets about 80 miles on a charge yet I managed to do journeys even through very remote areas in a reasonable time without any range anxiety. By you saying that the future of motoring is waiting about at broken charging stations is a bit exaggerated. It's like saying that smartphones are terrible because they don't last a week on a charge like older phones used to, yet are much more capable.
I did not want to sound like a hater, but as a journalist who informs the public, I would just expect you to be fully comfortable with the product (and doing background research as necessary). I am more than happy for you to contact me and we can discuss anything in more detail...
@@DarcersTech I fully agree with all your comments. I actually own both, i3 and EQC. That was the worst and subjective review I saw.
No boot or back seats in that one ? Useless. Would it take a buggey and wet wipes.
Bob come on man no one will be able to afford any of these cars after we’re done with corona virus 🦠, let’s get back to ice. Review the new Gti and let’s us all enjoy driving before we are all wiped off the planet
bruts82 if I understand him right on the stream yesterday he has already filmed this video some days ago, he will put up one video/day this week and right now he sitting in quarantine.
Your comments are very misleading about charging rates for the EQC.
Other channels who've tested properly show this vehicle charged more rapidly than other EVs, even the Teslas.
Also, you didn't explain DC & AC charging.
The Mercedes engineers must be very dismayed when seeing videos like yours because you haven't been objective.
This is the problem with e.vs they need to be better than i.c.e in every way including refueling and range its only sticky plaster on the problem.if e.vs are to be successful i need to get out of a ice car and see no reason to look back.
You say it's an outstanding vehicle, but to me it is so compromised. Voice operation just doesn't work - end of story for this luxury car feature; charging this EV is too problematic.
Damn, and here I was here thinking the US had some shit EV charging infrastructure but you guys took the cake. I obviously don't have an EQC here but of the EVs I've rented it's always been as simple as pay, plug in and charge, and Teslas are even easier.
Bob the charging isn't "shit"...it's pure "shite"
😂 Pure Mule!
That’s a lot of money for a lot of compromise.
Opening statement is completely misleading. You say the problem is with the charger but then going onto to the limitation is with the car, there it’s the car is the problem.
great review - why do leading car makers also insist on trying to replicate iphone for user interface on tech - check out the fingerprints on the display at 7.09 which is exactly the effect most of these latest infotainment systems have - surely mercedes etc could do more innovative research into better practical interface systems instead of just sticking in an ipad into the dash ;-) Bring back the knobs indeed !!
I'll stick with my glc250 which was half the price .
Looks like a Renault in the rear , and Lexus front. Ugly out
It's kW not kW per hour when talking about charging speed.
Yep, and battery capacity is measured In kilowatt-hours, not kilowatts. Not just being a pedant here: getting it right means you can work things out, e.g. an 80kWh capacity battery would take 2 hours to charge from empty to full when supplied at 40kW (or perhaps a little bit longer due to inefficiencies).
Just saying, You have to get out of the car to disconnect the cable ,my man.
But it's raining all the time and I don't like being cold and wet in a 105 grand car!
105 thousand with 16 thousand in options bahahaha what a frickin' rip off. 7.5 watts bahahaha wtf really no way this is a joke, right?
Infrastructure just not their 😳
Surely not many EV's out there charge at much more than 7kw AC?
I thought the AC chargers were for shopping centres and businesses etc, so you can top up on free juice while you use their services ala Lidl and now Tesco!
Follow the instructions...select cable then connect!!
When you are connecting your USB cable do you connect the dive first or plug it Int he wall first?
So thats lockdown in the republic !!
No, this was filmed before the lockdown