You Should Quit Yu-Gi-Oh!
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- Today Caleb invites you to take a look at the current status of the game of Yu-Gi-Oh! and what options we have as players. What other ways of engaging with this game are there? Or is it time to move on to something new?
Let me know what you think! What other games are you considering playing instead?
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Quit yugioh. Convinced my friends to play magic commander format through precon decks. Couldn't be happier.
I a playing star wars unlimmited
I out grew the lore
nothing to do with the game........
its like pokemon
its one of those franchises that gets you into Table tops
This 100% there's so many better card games out there rn
Star Wars Unlimited is completly the opposite to YGO! I really love the gameplay!
You traded a bad situation for a worse one.
This is so fucking smart!! I can't stand when people who play yugioh say magic is just as expensive! That is so false, so many people play precon commander deck or slightly modified commander decks. Theres also great commander decks for like 70 to 100 dollars, if you really really want to get into it. Yugioh, you have to play the best decks which are around 700 to 1000 dollars
MAKE YOUR OWN CARD GAME AND FORCE YOUR FRIENDS TO PLAY IT THIS IS THE WAY
Lets make a physical trading card game but each card has its own NFT on the blockchain.
We have like 10 guys who started a casual pizza and yugioh night and stopped the tourneys
This is the move on god
You're still giving money to Konami.
@@grafzeppelin4069 OH! I forgot I was still paying them $1000 a month for them to send me the smell of fresh packs in a jar. Need a good whiff whenever I feel the urges
Thanks for including my video as an example of N/R format and shouting me out! Thats so kind of you bud!
It's been almost 2 years since I quit YGO, and it's been way more satisfying putting that time and money into retro game collecting and gunpla.
Same but 40K
@@DominatorLegend wha
Bro this video is CRISP. The zooms, the J-cuts, the flowing movement, the swishes, the swooshes, it has everything. On top of that you are out here repping for so many other people. Wonderful video!
Glad you liked it friend :)
Quitting YGO was a hard pill to swallow because I’ve been playing this game for over 10 years and I’ve made so many friends over the years, but with most of my friends moving state wide, the price to compete increasingly getting higher, the recent drama with most of the top tier players essentially gate keeping budget players, and the nearest YGO locals being over an hour away I couldn’t do it anymore. I also have been miserable for 2 years just trying to keep up on a budget and slamming my head against the wall just isn’t fun for me. I like to compete, play the best decks, and top events and you just can’t consistently do that on a budget. Pokémon’s has been a breathe of fresh air and has gotten me actually excited to play a card game. I don’t know if I’ll be back to YugIoh because if the situation in Europe is any indication, I don’t see things getting better.
The situation in Europe is really questioning. Lacks of big event, some product not sold in Europe... Coupled with the difficulty to find locals now, or the price in some country (Like in France Rarity collection box was 150€ and a booster 10€) or everything you've already say... And It's not like I can say "Hey let's play alternative format" because if I have already a hard time to find locals or players to play the card game in the current format, I will not be able to find anybody to play an alternative format
Oooo is there a video about the top tier players gate keeping the game? i quit because i can't afford to play casually.
Honestly, I think Master Duel should've been mentioned here. Yes, Snake-Eye is still the best deck currently there, but the fact that a free to play account can easily get enough crafting materials and gems to make the deck and even multiple other decks for fun is more than enough to satisfy the Yugioh itch for me, not to mention I don't have to drive 45 minutes to go to my closest locals!
MD is a great alternative to paper! But that's why I explicitly said this was about playing in person with physical cards :)
I heavily recommend playing Edison format. You can easily find others to play with online on db. The format is also extremely varied and fun. So many viable decks and the discord is also a freat resource.
Don't knock it till you try it!
What are your thoughts on the fact that the insane prices being caused intentionally by Konami bumping the rarity of top cards like Snake-Eyes Poplar and Bonfire from Super Rare to Ultra when porting them from OCG to TCG. Seems to me like the only reason the games are separate is to squeeze more money from TCG players by having the cards come out later and making the good cards rarer.
The issue isnt really the rarity bumps. The issue is the set structure as a whole. In the Ocg, a card’s first printing is usually in multiple rarities, while in the Tcg they only get 1 rarity. Its really bad business practice
I do think some cards get bumped, likely to make more. But the solution really is having varying rarities similarly to both the OCG, and many other successful TCGs. Which ironically would be making them more money if they followed that structure.
@@wren5413 Adding to this, OCG doesn't need as many reprints because they attempt to hit demand of slightly less than demand for a card on its first release while letting those multiple treatments shuffle out as the money cards. The TCG's system of every good playable being in an extremely underprinted slot with a wide pool of other cards in that slot causes the S:P issue where demand eclipses the supply so hard we have a single card costing more than most other game's full competitive decks. TCG purposefully limits supply to get the FOMO buy and then reprints into the ground to keep the product cadence as fast as possible.
Konami is never your friend the consumer, there in this to make money nothing else and I hate when people love talking for them like they work for the company themselves and have vested interest. Glad I'm a casual to this card game, I can see why this game have issues bringing new people, its a a joke of a card game compare to the others out there.
Between Time Wizard YGO, Elestrals, and Digimon I've really been missing modern YGO less and less.
Really great vid showcasing the other options out there and wonderful editing as usual.
🥺
Best advice I could give everyone is if you wanna play Yugioh; Play Online or if you’re gonna play Physically, play Retro Formats.
It’s substantially cheaper, much more interactive and back and forth, and the TW Format players are much less toxic.
Common Charity Mention!
Big fan of the sound effects
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I am a new player that started the game again because of master duel, I started tcg in june/july around the time WISE released. During this time I played Eldlich, Labrynth, Mannadium and Branded and even got a regional top 8. I am a university student and really enjoy the game however I want to play competitive Yugioh as its the only way to have fun in my opinion and after not even a year I‘m already starting to feel burnt out due to constantly having to pick up new decks/staples in order to compete
Why suffer
if you can play any tcg based around a genre or franchise you like
not something from your chilldhood whichw as stupid and over the top
Dude just play for fun, fuck the scene. Like I want true exxodia necros lol
ELESTRALS MENTIONED
Elestrals should never be mentioned.
@@GrandHarrier I DISAGREE
Where's Shadowverse mention, damn.
Elestrals helllll yeah
@@raseruuu3742 It feels like walking into Chinatown whenever I see a Bushiroad enclave. Like there's a completely different parallel society of TCGs no one on the outside mentions or thinks about.
Domain mention let’s gooo!
Love domain format!
Already did. Swapped to Shadowverse Evolve.
"Build a budget deck" usually when I think of a card game's budget deck, I think maybe $50 or less, not $300+. Thats a yugioh moment if I ever heard one
You can build budget decks for $50 or less - Virtual World is topping regionals and can come in well under that for example. You just can't play snake-eyes for that price
Couldn’t even shuffle to this, I mulliganed immediately!!! Clean up on aisle MY DECK 😂😂😂😂
As someone who is a father and used to spend a lot of money into Yu-Gi-Oh!, I just can't keep up anymore. It's not fun, expensive & toxic.
That is why I'm going to give MTG a try - Got 2 different 2023 MTG Stater Kits last week... Heck, they even have reference cards! Like you can buy a MTG Deck and it'll have a code which will give you all the cards you've bought irl into the online game MTG Arena. That's wild!
I’ve been playing yugioh since summer 2014, and I’ve really been enjoying magic the gathering, mainly commander format, I kind of enjoy the less combo dependent decks with more randomness since it’s 99 singles, I feel like if yugioh made other formats more accessible then the game would be in a better place
There's a reason edison is popping off recently! Konami is actually reprinting cards semi-regularly for the format. If only they did that for more formats!
@@calebdotexeEdison isn't a casual format it has the same amount of meta tryhards
Commander only works because players agree, before they play, to bring decks with a certain power level, commander ha s many meta decks with an absurd power level.
Same can be done with yugioh where both players agree to play a low powered /no staples deck
At my old spot I went to, when formats started to look rough, we would dip our toes into draft nights for magic. not only was it a low time investment, it also still helped with supporting the store. Locals all around had a really tough time last year. It wouldn't help in the long run to just stop going until the next ban list. If you entered local tournaments on a regular basis, put that money in their pocket with another game or format in the meantime.
Hell buy some packs and chill instead. You can try to dip you and your friends toes into something like draft. Or like you mentioned, bring up the idea of playing a low investment format like Edison.
Love still supporting locals during tough spots in games! Great idea to pick up draft, I might try that!
Fun fact, the two locals I can go two between them have a lot of Shadowverse, Vanguard, One Piece, Digimon, then the obvious Magic and Pokemon. Even some Grand Archive occasionally.
Meanwhile the most Yugioh you'll see in either is 2 boxes of some super old set at the deepest corner of a shelf piling dust.
Those are better card games then yugioh been wondering about vanguard, I play shadowverse ALOT.
I didn't play physical cards for ages, just collect some of them and leave the play to Digital and feels fine. Maybe that's for the best for introvert like me firing up Master Duel is more convenient than going outside, I hope Digimon TCG get a game like this someday as I want to play it.
Digimon tcg kinda lacky in physical locals here in Europe
Not many playing it, rather they buy Pokemon or One piece
Also Digimon doesnt have any official game to be played
U need a non official website which u play manualy in your browner
Give it a try
I quit in January and havent looked back. My locals is hyper competitive (includes a world championship competitor and a nationals winner), so it is always full of meta decks. My Kashtira and Goblin Biker decks just cant keep up.
I had been playing since day one but the game is a shadow of its former self. I don't know what Konami even wants the game to be to be honest. Quit to play One Piece and Lorcana and I don't regret it.
Thing is you can say this about any card game. Most are overpriced
I've been enjoying Sorcery TCG. Got my hands on a 4 deck precon box and it's really fun. Also, the artwork on those cards is just gorgeous. If nothing else, I urge everyone to at least look at some of them on the online database!
Me and my friends playing duelist kingdom character decks: "Oh no! Anyway"
That's my goat nice video Caleb see you on Wednesday/Thursday sometime. Suggest me some meadowlands decks I may try to build something.
The best deck of Meadowlands is Mermail. Spellbooks, Hero Beat, Fire Fist, Infernity, Evolswarm, Dark World, Chain Beat, and TeleDAD are all fairly playable tho.
Oh just lmk if you wanna play I'll bring decks on god
This was a great video. Thanks
Brave. I asked this question once and people laughed at me.
5:02 Ridge Racer R4 OST POG. This is a super good video. I can't really play paper Yu-Gi-Oh! due to how far the closest locals is from me, but hearing about actually sanctioned heart of the under dog event makes me hopeful that some day I'll be able to take my Vtuber deck to a card shop and actually play it for once lmao
Remember when only ZOMBIES played out of the graveyard? Good times
Pokemon is much more cheaper. I bought a world championship deck for $16.
F&B has the best gameplay I had played of any TCG. It feels like you are playing a fighting game with a roleplaying game.
Quitting Yugioh for me was kickstarted by finishing college and no longer having locals and college folk who played the card game. It was also kickstarted by that time being the year of the FTK.
Quitting was passive and it came up from going after a different hobby and doing less and less online with Yugioh. Ultimately it wasn’t until several years later that I offloaded most of my Yugioh stuff to friends who still played the game. If I visit them, we still play using a random ass pool of cards.
There was a period of time where I didn’t play a tcg at all, but since 2021 I got into Pokémon tcg more competitively, learned One Piece, and learned Flesh and Blood. I keep an Emporio Ivanovo deck in OP just in case, but only just learned FaB so I haven’t built anything for that yet.
I play nothing but rogue, honestly. Geargia, Exodia, Traptrix, and Rank 10 Trains. I may get stomped occasionally, but I'm having fun.
I haven't watched the full thing, but the title is already amazing advice. Update it is a good video. I personally started playing the heck out of digimon. It's so much fun and the best part about it is the staples are not even that expensive
My locals is filled with people playing off meta. Worst matchup I’ve gone up against is Kash, so I can avoid fire piles 😃
Heart of the underdog format is literally the most you can have imo
People usually just feel happy to play jank and it lets newer players try advanced format but your local area can adjust the meta to everyone who participates, making it more free and pleasurable
Edison format is my favorite way to play, and i haven't played modern format since last summer. It's hard to stick with if you don't have locals that support it, or at least a dedicated group. Same with any format. But it's made me enjoy yugioh a lot more than ever and has made me really want to improve and be creative with decks again.
There's edison players who have a lot of decks so if you don't have one yet, you might find someone who can let you borrow one for the day. I've lent my decks out to people also. We gotta help each other.
True! There are a handful of people at my locals that lend decks just about every week! It really is about finding groups you can play with above anything else. TCGs are social!
@@calebdotexe facts!
I have two low cost decks I've put together. Both are far from competitive, but I don't mind. The fact they're even functional is enough for me. And maybe I'll surprise someone with them. Sadly, one would actually be improved with the snake eyes as an engine, but I'm not about to rush for that expenditure. In any case, I should stick to theory and leave the physical behind. If not move on entirely. I've not the budget for tcgs.
Anti-meta yess! Rouge night sound fun. I have long thought of Edison format.
I'm conviced. I'll be an mtg player now
I personally just came back to the game last year thanks to the Crimson king st deck and well. After getting the deck to ""playable"" right before snake eyes. Im just gonna play with friends and collect 😂 not touching competitive if its not with friends
Me an OCG player. Yehp. It's so expensive. Bonfire being $20 is too expensive here.
If only
OCG player still is cheaper than TCG
Has far im aware any TCG competitive cost money, OCG have it better
From what i heard u guys can play meta decks for 200 max
Here its 1000 😅
The intro alone should make Konami feel like rebuilding YGO. Hoping they would be able to
Nice video bro
Yugioh doesnt need to be rebuilt, it just needs to fix its set structure that creates 1000$ decks
Flesh and Blood TCG is an amazing game, highly strategic and has a pretty unique way of integrating resource management with actual battle.
As a Digimon player who loves the game and did leave yugioh for it and have never looked back, I feel compelled to point out the comment at 8:35 that the game is getting more accessible with time is flat out wrong.
More and more key pieces of legacy support and staples that are mandatory 4 ofs in their specific deck are getting locked behind box toppers (a pack you get 1 of per box that contains 1 of 6 potential cards). In the past half year there has been 4 decks that I simply cannot play at the best because I have been priced out of them due to a lack of access to these promos at an affordable price.
Secret Rares are also becoming way more commonly a required 4 of in decks, to the point that the latest Starter Deck has one it's best cards locked away as a secret rare in the following set after the starter deck comes out.
I love the game, but it is becoming harder and harder every set to not feel priced out of a deck you really want to play, would highly recommend just playing the game on our DB equivalent, Project Drasil, or finding a group that doesn't mind proxying promos
I'd heard of box toppers being a good thing as it prevents those cards from being even rarer printings (and truth be told scrolling through box toppers none seem that expensive compared to yugioh).
It's sad to hear secrets are becoming more required as when I got into the game last year the first thing I was told was that wasn't the case for the most part.
@@calebdotexe yes they aren't as expensive as something like S:P, but as someone who got into the game because I lack a lot of dispersible income, a mandatory 4 of at $25 a copy to play a casual rogue is really hard to justify.
Also I don't know who told you box toppers mean lower rarity because a standard Box topper is the highest rarity in the game. They come at a one time 16% chance per box, whereas Secret Rares have a roughly ~36% chance per box and you have 2 chances at them because they can also occupy an alt art slot.
In my personal experience, I have never met a DCG player who calls box toppers anything but one of the worst parts of the game. Especially if you live in a region where distribution is lower. In Canada where I live for example, it is borderline impossible to find any box toppers without a comical price markup or excessive shipping cost
I honestly hate this video showing up everywhere when I'm just trying to enjoy ygo
RATE FORMAT MENTIONED!!!!!!
Just for you boo
@@calebdotexe :)
Quit years ago, tried to come back thanks to master duel, got turned off by the expensive cards (in and out of the game) and 10+ minutes turns
Location matters, some cities have such dead ygo communities it’s sad.
I've left yugioh a few years ago and changed to MTG. While yes, Wizards has been treating the playerbase poorly, the fact that the game has and actovely supports a bunch of other formats, including a casual format such as commander really pulled me heavily into the game and maintains me invested. I've been saying for a while now that yugioh desperately needs not only other, more affordable and casual focused formats, but it needs official support from konami for those, not limited to them just saying those formats exist and then forgetting that entirely.
Common Elestrals W
Oh interesting, Elestrals has a similar life = mana resource system that the Shin Megami Tensei card game had. Neat!
Just a comment:
Just because Yu-Gi-Oh! isn't being as greedy or stingy as MtG doesn't mean we should give it a pass. We fans deserve better than this. Just look at the Pokemon TCG. That game, afaik, treats the fans with respect.
They couls easily implement the whole most thing are normals and rares thing and yoyre guaranteed a rare thing here like they do in japan but they dont.
DOMAIN FORMAT MENTION HELL YA!!!
We welcome you to OCG bros, our competitive deck cost around $200-$100 😂
I will renounce the TCG and move wherever I have to
DOMAIN MENTIONED LETS GOOOOO
YEAHHHHHHH
The title is a bit misleading, even being contradicted by the video itself. People shouldn't quit Yugioh, they should explore aspects of Yugioh that aren't mainstream. People don't HAVE to play "advanced format" competitive. Really liked the video!
Yes! That’s exactly the point! Glad you liked it!
HAT mentioned ❤🙏
You should look at wixoss or battle spirits saga
Not a Yugioh Player. I laugh so hard saying $350 as a budget (or any triple digit for that matter). What should the community do? Easy! Make community formats and play them often at local stores. Learn from MtG, You don't have to play official formats at local stores.
Konami doesnt care to balance our game. I hope they take note on how frustrating this game has become
Weather mentioned!
One Game thats very fun but Nobody Play is..... shadowverse evolve.
Talk me bout it
@@noctsickversus9632 every Player hast 20 Life ... U have followers (monsters).an evolve Deck with Up to 10 followers, Amulett (perma spell) and spells( normal /quick spells)... Quick spells can activate in Response to an opponent Attack or at opponent end Phase....
Each Player gain 1 Play Point in their Turn ...u need them to Play follower spells and Amulett or use abilitys .... Max Play Points are 10 ....
So u have to think ...should i Play a Card ... Or can i counter next Attack with a quick spell...
And the best Thing absout the Game is ....
No Ftk/Otk !!!!
No 15 min Turns we're Ur opponent have to Look and u Play with Ur self.
Just play EDISON. It’s insanely fun and cheap. 30 different decks are viable.
GENERIC ACETAMINOPHEN MENTIONED
No way you spotted that
Very glad I can play acetaminophen in all my decks
No, no I don’t think I will
Me neither
*reads the title*
"Welp time to pull out my MTG, Vanguard & Digimon decks
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Edison is a great option but also still on my own fence about jumping to elestrals
either way i have had the most fun in this game lately looking back at older formats, reading into what they did and making videos about their histories has been exciting! it really is at the point that yugioh is just not for me and many other people who cant afford picking up another 1000$ deck every 3 months just to see it get reprinted into the ground or banned because of this. even the new support for older archetype just feel like the FTK or are trying to floodgate you out the game and after a while you just... give up.
Elestrals good :) But yeah older formats are great because there's always more to discover and you can feel more comfortable about getting nicer rarities because there's no banlist on the horizon :)
Thank god i live in a small country in Europe so since there is no YCSs any time soon most people just sold their snake eye decks
Grand archive has the best resource system.
$300 is the BUDGET deck, lmao
RIGHT
@@calebdotexe It’s sad to say it, but with Kaz gone, I don’t see any hope for this game ever getting back to a “good” state. It’s like we’re going from a Tier 0 to Tier 0 meta now, where the imbalance in power between decks is very deliberate. I feel like Kaz was the only thing keeping Konami on check, and with him gone, they’re gonna go in on cashing in on the game as much as they can.
Edison unironically is actually worse than modern. It's just lightsworn and synchros. I could go on fucking ygopro for that. Like, do yugioh players just not comprehend formats? Pearl-clutching older times isn't a format, that's cube.
I'm glad they gotta "shell out 1200" bastard-tax
Modern yugioh is just tedious.
I havent played yugioh since 2018, was thinking of playing again. maybe not. lol
I miss early yugioh where they still did weird spinoff shit.
ill never quit i love yugioh!!!!
Dude, good video, but how the hell did you leave Cardfight Vanguard off the recommendations???
Another recommendation I have for engaging with yugioh is trying to put together a Yugioh DND thing, so you can feel like you’re playing through the show or one of the videogames. If you can find a group, it’s a lot of work but I think it’s great
Ngl I've never played cardfight and don't know much about it. Don't think any locals near me run it!
@@calebdotexe fair, it’s pretty niche
Btw in terms of YGO TTRPG i really like the channel Summoners Network, they do a lot of games based on Zelda and kingdom heart, but I only really follow their Yugioh games and they’re rlly good imo
Anti-meta and Rodger the same thing
I quit yugioh and started playing magic. Much more fun can recommend.
Yugioh as a card game is terrible period like it or not compare to the other card games lol, it does not even come close. Runterra, MGT, and to me the best F2P card game shadowverse, love this game.
DIGIMON MENTIONED LETS GOOOOOOO
Elestrals LETS GOOOOOOO
Fk it , all my life i play bugged deck and and still win and have fun. I don't give a fk about snakes , my salamangreat are fire enough 😂
🔥🔥
THATS MY GOAT
Piece of paper cost more piece of paper ? Really greed is the bottom line. Scalpers , resellers, shops etc . I haven’t played txt since that damn rabbit card an then pendulum. I like the video games better you get most of the cards an just some time grinding. Not having to choose food over a damn card for a chance to place even close to top
Play Retro yugioh...Goat, Edison, H.a.t , ,,Pot,,(own format) format
Really good video! I would also really like to mention that even in a tier 0 format rogue decks can very much compete at high level events, cheaper decks like raidraptor, branded or purrely very much still see success, even if they obviously aren't as good as snake-eye, there's competitive budget alternatives even if you don't want to play anti-meta.
just play branded, you have an equal matchup against snake eye and a very favorable matchup against voiceless alongside pretty good coverage for everything else
Then I'd have to play branded 😔
You definitely are a budget player
no
No heroes?
No runick is not good at all rn ... Play floo if you want to win on a budget
Runick does have similar numbers of tops recently as to floo!
@@calebdotexe where, at your locals 😂
@@jean-philippegrignom6479 Regionals and YCS' :) I recommend ygoprodeck.com
@@calebdotexe yeah me too at the ycs 4 runick 14 floo... Not even close
If you like runick play it ... But it's not the best rn
@@jean-philippegrignom6479 No clue where you're pulling that number from LMAOOOO Anyway just tip banish flamberge it's not that hard smh
Thank you for this, it helps me feel like I'm not alone in this feeling of dread over pricey cardboard.
I think that getting into new card games in paper can be helped out a lot by having a good online client to learn on. I've been having a lot of fun with MTG in particular recently: I went from a complete newbie to playing a lot of arena and going 1-1-1 at a pre-release event, all because I had a safe place to fuck up and learn how the stack works without embarrassing myself in person.
Really wish these other games had the same type of resources a la Master Duel, Arena etc.
(Also, loved the video, your editing and pacing gets better every time I watch! Excited to see where you go from here.)
You're not! A lot of people I know are feeling this way and it's totally valid to get burnt out or feel down! Online sims do help but honestly after trying a bunch of games, just going and making mistakes is a great way to get to know your community and allow them to teach you :) Also, glad you liked it! Thanks!
Driton is not rogue