Hey, first of all I want to say that the design looks nice, aesthetically. That is a very important factor to me as part of the charm of this hobby at least to me are the designs, the materials used, etc... I see that you are very proud of this design and i have to say, it is awesome that you are simply sharing this file with the community! I think good things come back to good people so I wish you luck with this and I hope that many people get a chance to experience this design and give some feedback. Thanks and cheers!!!
I printed this drone fairly lightweight and durable. I changed a few things like I increased infill to 45% and created a traditional top plate. It is very strong at 570 grams carrying a 1500 4s battery.
Build/printing video in the works? Also would like to see some bb logs. And do you have a rough estimate how much it cost, if it gets broken and needs reprinting? I would maybe split up the frame into pieces, so its faster/cheaper/easier to replace broken stuff...
@DRXfilms yeah, I don't see good images to figure out what everything is. I checked out the drive and there are a lot of files, I'm not sure what's best for what
I had some polymide pa6 GF laying around so I printed the frame and it is very strong, I did bump walls/tops/bottoms to 6, Im printing the tpu parts now. I might transplant everything from a 6s Quadmula siren F5 that was hyped that I think doesnt stand up to the ImpulseRC Apex...fyi I dont like mr.steele but that frame does handle great.
Love that 3D printing frames gets some more serious tries, I've been working on my own printed frame the last few weeks. Do you/polymaker think that PA6-CF is the best filament for drone frames? I didn't fully understand the behavior of nylon yet, doesn't it get wet in normal outdoor use and be less rigid than other nylons like PA12-CF? I just wish you would have toned down the Polymaker marketing a little and talk more about how to design and print it to be strong like walls, infill etc.
@@33rdframe That is fair and if there is something on your patreon that is related to the video it might make sense to mention that, sort of like UAV Tech does it. At least I honestly didn't get that "message" from the video.
Imo fdm mechanical properties are far worse than aluminium or cf so without really drastic change in design fdm quads will be quite floppy. Nylon absorbs moisture which decreases strength, but you can coat it to keep it dry. Pa6 is more suspectible to getting "wet" than pa12 if i remember correctly. If you want to get good results you need to start with dry nylon (dry it before use) and enclose your 3d printer to increase temperature inside, heated chamber would be ideal.
@@GaweNowakowski Actually, Polymaker's blend recommends not to use an enclosure to print. Wild, I know. But a high chamber temperature can increase the possibility of warping. I print with PA6-GF on an Ender 3. I have an enclosure but figured out you don't actually need it, and it's recommended to not use it.
Realtalk - I'm going to build my first drone and get my first 3d Printer capable of printing something of this quality. Would you really use this as your first build before building one out with a commercial frame?
@@33rdframe Just put my first two hours in the sim. Never going back. 3d printer comes soon. Truly considering 3d printing as much of my first as possible. Should be fun.
@@33rdframe Will check this out. Was planning on either trying to build the Cinawhoop you have the tutorial on or perhaps build one out based on the new 6 inch frame you've recently shared.
@@33rdframe signed up, don’t see any parts list. Anyone else wondering don’t bother signing up, there is nothing there. Printed the frame wasting LW-PLA worthless print, no build guide or parts list.
@@33rdframeIf you can, i will print it in PETG-CF and build something on it. Then provide resonance data and blackbox if you like. That would be some good hard evidence in the effectiveness of your designs.
Holy shit. this is awesome. subscribed However, I have a question, I've read that single-piece frames have worse resonance characteristics than frames with separate arms & more pieces etc. What do you think about that? How is the frame resonance on this 3d printed dron ?
Friction between parts help to dampen oscillations, but I would hipotesise that nylon carbon fiber composite may have more damping capability than rigid carbon fiber epoxy composite. Without bb log it is hard to quess if I my quess is right.
@@33rdframe aye, good, good. Am looking forward to seeing more content and tests with the 3d Printed frames, this things is awesome if we will be making our own frames in the future!
Also just got to make sure you could keep it hot enough so it doesn't warp, with an enclosure or something. I have an Ender 3 S1 Pro and Im gonna be attempting it.
@@DroneDelirium not sure if you're on discord, but I'm sure you could find someone on the Polymaker discord who would print one for you. I know thats not as rewarding as printing it yourself, but the 3D printed version is waaay cheaper than the carbon fiber version. I would offer to print one for you, but I still need to buy some of the filament and see if I can pull it off. Also not sure if you're in the USA.
How durable is it? Last time i messed with that CF filament it has a tendency to delaminate between layers due to the vibration, i had far better results with tpu with a modified version of a drone called the Toad, with the center plates mad from petg, i made a peice of carbon fiber to reinforce the bottom plate due to the weight of the battery cuz the petg could break in a crash, and then i printed the top with a whoop canopy on top that has a gopro mount to get the fpv camera up higher so your not looking at the front cross member. It flys like butter because the tpu absorbs all the vibration and it's pretty much the toughest drone you'll find, the only downside is the battery being on the bottom making it more vulnerable if you don't pull up in time
"All those have failed actually making a cinematic drone" ...🤔 Actually this is not the problem. Brake an arm and we will see how easy it is to repair.
@@33rdframe I didn't offend you and now I know who the noob is between the two. 3D printing drones has always been a bad idea and your crappy brick won't revolutionize anything at all. Asshole
@@Kloberman Am i the one posting these claims on the internet for everyone to review on and with all the necessary tools to use these engineering materials?
I see it as more of a fun toy for people who like to tinker. Realistically, frames aren't extremely expensive to begin with and a fully carbon frame is just going to be stronger than a 3d printed one (per weight). It is nice for anyone that wants to design their own frames though.
it's nice to know i am not alone. this isnt some toy drone. this thing absolutely rips and is buttery smoooth for content creation. when its not raining i am going to make a follow up video
its really intresting for 4-5 inch cinema copter or cinewhoops. frame design looks really nice sir 🤌 i dont thinks this will replace my bando machine 💥
I highly doubt its as durable as carbon also highly doubt that youll be able to get as tight a tune with filters and pids vs carbon. As cool as it is carbon is just the way
Have 2 drones printing on my printers right now. A lot of hate on them but if you know how to design it’s not bad
Hey, first of all I want to say that the design looks nice, aesthetically. That is a very important factor to me as part of the charm of this hobby at least to me are the designs, the materials used, etc...
I see that you are very proud of this design and i have to say, it is awesome that you are simply sharing this file with the community! I think good things come back to good people so I wish you luck with this and I hope that many people get a chance to experience this design and give some feedback. Thanks and cheers!!!
This is a great reason to buy a filament printer. FDM drones could be fun, pod racers?
I printed this drone fairly lightweight and durable. I changed a few things like I increased infill to 45% and created a traditional top plate. It is very strong at 570 grams carrying a 1500 4s battery.
Oh wow! Never thought to make it a lightweight drone! How is the flight?
@@33rdframe Its lightweight compared to the Marmotte I flew previously. It flies very well. Did you intend for the frame to be printed at 100%
Build/printing video in the works? Also would like to see some bb logs. And do you have a rough estimate how much it cost, if it gets broken and needs reprinting?
I would maybe split up the frame into pieces, so its faster/cheaper/easier to replace broken stuff...
but that might make if fly much worse. its 10$ to print. build video tbh is not needed. its SUPER easy
maybe a parts printing video is better for you
@DRXfilms yeah, I don't see good images to figure out what everything is. I checked out the drive and there are a lot of files, I'm not sure what's best for what
@@yuriy77 I'm working on a guide now. I did just finish the frame the other day haha
let us know when its avail. @@33rdframe
If i will have time I will make vibration analysis of this frame. Currently I dont see it being better than modern carbon frames but will see.
Yeah, I'd be game for that! I'll take a look at the blackbox today also
@@33rdframe I sent you email, with questions about your setup and bb log.
Small update it appears to be quite good, not as good as well designed carbon but for fdm really good.
I had some polymide pa6 GF laying around so I printed the frame and it is very strong, I did bump walls/tops/bottoms to 6, Im printing the tpu parts now. I might transplant everything from a 6s Quadmula siren F5 that was hyped that I think doesnt stand up to the ImpulseRC Apex...fyi I dont like mr.steele but that frame does handle great.
That's awesome bro!. I would recommend 100% infil as it's still around 110g.
@@33rdframe i printed it and it came out to 120 grams. with 100% infill....bummer, i should have just made more walls ans less infill..
@@yuriy77 this is totally ok and will fly great!
Love that 3D printing frames gets some more serious tries, I've been working on my own printed frame the last few weeks. Do you/polymaker think that PA6-CF is the best filament for drone frames? I didn't fully understand the behavior of nylon yet, doesn't it get wet in normal outdoor use and be less rigid than other nylons like PA12-CF?
I just wish you would have toned down the Polymaker marketing a little and talk more about how to design and print it to be strong like walls, infill etc.
I have a Patreon where I go into depth teaching all the things I know. Gotta eat some how
@@33rdframe That is fair and if there is something on your patreon that is related to the video it might make sense to mention that, sort of like UAV Tech does it. At least I honestly didn't get that "message" from the video.
Imo fdm mechanical properties are far worse than aluminium or cf so without really drastic change in design fdm quads will be quite floppy.
Nylon absorbs moisture which decreases strength, but you can coat it to keep it dry.
Pa6 is more suspectible to getting "wet" than pa12 if i remember correctly.
If you want to get good results you need to start with dry nylon (dry it before use) and enclose your 3d printer to increase temperature inside, heated chamber would be ideal.
@@GaweNowakowski Actually, Polymaker's blend recommends not to use an enclosure to print. Wild, I know. But a high chamber temperature can increase the possibility of warping. I print with PA6-GF on an Ender 3. I have an enclosure but figured out you don't actually need it, and it's recommended to not use it.
Realtalk - I'm going to build my first drone and get my first 3d Printer capable of printing something of this quality. Would you really use this as your first build before building one out with a commercial frame?
Absolutely , and welcome to FPV
@@33rdframe Just put my first two hours in the sim. Never going back.
3d printer comes soon. Truly considering 3d printing as much of my first as possible. Should be fun.
@@ZacharyChampigny heck yeah bro!!! You caught the bug haha
@@ZacharyChampigny check out my 3D printed whoop design: doctorquads.com/2024/02/17/getting-started-with-fpv-the-ultimate-3-inch-whoop/
@@33rdframe Will check this out. Was planning on either trying to build the Cinawhoop you have the tutorial on or perhaps build one out based on the new 6 inch frame you've recently shared.
Is there a parts list?
@@djshrew there was until my website went down. Now just on my Patreon
@@33rdframe behind a paywall or free? Could you provide a link either way? thanks in advance.
@@33rdframe signed up, don’t see any parts list. Anyone else wondering don’t bother signing up, there is nothing there. Printed the frame wasting LW-PLA worthless print, no build guide or parts list.
I really appreciate all that you do. It's very interesting to me. Thank you.
np brother. thank you for the support
Any chance you can scale this down to 3.5 inches?
ill give it a shot
@@33rdframeIf you can, i will print it in PETG-CF and build something on it. Then provide resonance data and blackbox if you like. That would be some good hard evidence in the effectiveness of your designs.
When you made it open source I subscribed! I hope at least polymer is giving you a throwback. Thanks for furthering the hobby/community.
much appreciated brother! one more subscriber close to 1milly
That’s actually amazing dude! Props to you.
Id love to see a closeup of how the O3 is mounted. Was all the flight footage from the O3?
The 03 is my cine mount I use for tinywhoops. And yes it was a poopy day but the footage was all O3
Holy shit. this is awesome. subscribed
However, I have a question, I've read that single-piece frames have worse resonance characteristics than frames with separate arms & more pieces etc.
What do you think about that? How is the frame resonance on this 3d printed dron ?
would like to see that as well.
Friction between parts help to dampen oscillations, but I would hipotesise that nylon carbon fiber composite may have more damping capability than rigid carbon fiber epoxy composite. Without bb log it is hard to quess if I my quess is right.
@@GaweNowakowski indeed this is the case. i would love to talk with you on discord about some of these things.
it's a little complicated but from what ive come to understand its all about having your vibrations on ONE frequency that is easier to notch out
@@33rdframe aye, good, good. Am looking forward to seeing more content and tests with the 3d Printed frames, this things is awesome if we will be making our own frames in the future!
Yes master, I liked and subbed.👍
The cult begins!🤣
Will most printers print that filament?
With the correct nozzle and a 300c heatblock, yes. An ender 3 could do this with an upgraded hot end.
Also just got to make sure you could keep it hot enough so it doesn't warp, with an enclosure or something. I have an Ender 3 S1 Pro and Im gonna be attempting it.
@@Carguyforlife I just have a Ender 2 so might not work for me
@@DroneDelirium not sure if you're on discord, but I'm sure you could find someone on the Polymaker discord who would print one for you. I know thats not as rewarding as printing it yourself, but the 3D printed version is waaay cheaper than the carbon fiber version. I would offer to print one for you, but I still need to buy some of the filament and see if I can pull it off. Also not sure if you're in the USA.
your ender 2 can print the filament with the proper hot end, but your bed is too small for the dimensions.@@DroneDelirium
I always thought about engineering a good 3d printed frame. It looks decent.
How durable is it? Last time i messed with that CF filament it has a tendency to delaminate between layers due to the vibration, i had far better results with tpu with a modified version of a drone called the Toad, with the center plates mad from petg, i made a peice of carbon fiber to reinforce the bottom plate due to the weight of the battery cuz the petg could break in a crash, and then i printed the top with a whoop canopy on top that has a gopro mount to get the fpv camera up higher so your not looking at the front cross member. It flys like butter because the tpu absorbs all the vibration and it's pretty much the toughest drone you'll find, the only downside is the battery being on the bottom making it more vulnerable if you don't pull up in time
this is interesting. i will have to update you on that when i fly it more. currently its holding up without issue
We’re going to print so many guns bro 😎
Dronegun
Whats the weight of the frame?
109g
@@33rdframe Wow thats pretty nice. I guess you wouldnt want to crash given that you would have to strip the whole thing down.
i printed with 100% infill and its 120grams.
"All those have failed actually making a cinematic drone" ...🤔
Actually this is not the problem. Brake an arm and we will see how easy it is to repair.
strip print build repeat. and stop crashing like a noob lol
@@33rdframe
I didn't offend you and now I know who the noob is between the two.
3D printing drones has always been a bad idea and your crappy brick won't revolutionize anything at all.
Asshole
Hey! I saw this live!
You suggested the rotor riot video🎉🎉🎉
@@33rdframe well they did attempt it, but yours appears to be a better execution. Wont know until I get to fly one myself 🙃
Is this is a 5"?
yes
Awesome, subbed, dubbed and liked 😉 like your style
Much appreciated brother!
Share it with any fb or discord FPV groups you might be in would be a huge help.
The first 24 hours of a video are everything
Bold claims for a video with no data, no testing, nothing.
Grab the files make your own data.
@Zukohi Says the guy who can download it and try it himself and then might have a leg to stand on to complain. Epitome of a keyboard warrior.
@@Kloberman Am i the one posting these claims on the internet for everyone to review on and with all the necessary tools to use these engineering materials?
So I made some rough simulation and it appears to be quite close to carbon frame in therms of stiffness.
@GaweNowakowski how'd you simulate it? Modal analysis?
If you can't see what a big change this will have, well then you lack any kind of vision.
I see it as more of a fun toy for people who like to tinker. Realistically, frames aren't extremely expensive to begin with and a fully carbon frame is just going to be stronger than a 3d printed one (per weight). It is nice for anyone that wants to design their own frames though.
it's nice to know i am not alone. this isnt some toy drone. this thing absolutely rips and is buttery smoooth for content creation. when its not raining i am going to make a follow up video
its really intresting for 4-5 inch cinema copter or cinewhoops.
frame design looks really nice sir 🤌
i dont thinks this will replace my bando machine 💥
you could be right. whoop design incoming
i think that this will be the best for whoops
That is the next adventure for me is perfecting a whoop
I guarantee you, I built a better 3D printed copter one year ago.
Still, pretty good design compared to what you usually see on the internet.
copter or drone?
@@33rdframe Quadcopter.
@@uhu4677 links or it didn't happen
@@33rdframe I will probably make a video, when the next iteration is finished.
@@uhu4677 so how is it better then?
This 3d printed drone changes absolutely nothing
certainly didnt change your ability to be a betamale
Nylon over PC?? PC-CF is going be significantly stiffer and more resilient without the hassle of printing Nylon
oh baby. i do like the sound of that. tbh i need to test a BUNCH of different filaments. what company do you recommend for PC CF
@@33rdframe The brand I went with is PRILINE.
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love!
Im new here, think I might stick around for a bit
welcome bro
I highly doubt its as durable as carbon also highly doubt that youll be able to get as tight a tune with filters and pids vs carbon. As cool as it is carbon is just the way
It was lol
This isn't a very good design. Check the motor heating, you'll notice it. With 3D printing you have to be a lot smarter about bracing then this.
so your motors are going to get up to 130c on the foot? sounds like you got a motor problem