The E25 with 8.8 cm, 10.5 cm or an autoloader would have been a ergonomic and space nightmare for the crew. I would imagine the crews already cuddling around each other.
It was the introduction of too many OP paper tanks that contributed to my stopping playing WoT. Real tanks with proven real world capabilities being outmatched by projects that were abandoned because of their impracticality ? No thanks.
@@Kevin-mx1vi IS-7,IS-4,S.Conqueror(it is just Conqueror with an additional face plate and some minor buff), Maus, Obj 268,... are all power crept by blue-print vehicles that never go into the mock-up stage, not even the prototype
I mean I quit WoT literally years ago, as in before wheeled vehicle shit was a thing. I LOVED my E-25. it was awesome. Is it awesome now, no fucking idea. but given the ridiculousness WoT has introduced since... I am willing to be its been kinda power creeped..... I am willing to bet the E25 these days is simply a kinda rare tank, that is utterly outmatched by the meta... But then you actually had to work to USE that thing properly. Yes, it had an insane camo rating, but its view range was not very good, least not from my memory.... but then I have not played world of shit for 5 or 6 years now...... SO I might be wrong....
@@alganhar1I played a little bit last year and it still does well in its tier, but the jank camo/spotting mechanics have been completely wrecked by new matchmaking and new tier VIII lights and there are so many new VIII premiums that dominate. I spent actual money on the E25 and the JT88 way back when, so it sucks that both are no longer that good. Especially the JT88 where most new VIII mediums don't even need to aim for weak spots in the front
It looks like the E25 was resurrected in the cold war as the Kanonenjagdpanzer (KanJPz)! Same general layout, but larger and with a 90 mm gun and later an ATGM weapon installed. Just my opinion, but the similarities are striking
The KanJPz was a successor to the Jagdpanzer 4, with lessons learned from the Jagdpanther. Closer to a Jagdpanzer version of the E50 concept. The E25 was supposed to be a direct replacement for the Jagdpanzer 38t (AKA the hetzer) but with streamlining for mass production.
You're almost on the right track there. Many of the people and companies responsible for the Kanonenjagdpanzer were also responsible for the Jadgpanzer IV.
@@Kieselmeister The E25 was not a replacement for the Jagdpanzer 38t, its was a replacement for the vehicles that fit around the 25 ton category (Panzer III & Panzer IV as well as their variants) hence why it was called the E25. It was the E10 that was going to fill the role of the tanks around 10 tons and so would of included the 15 ton Jagdpanzer 38t and late variants of the Panzer II The comparison of the KanJPz and the E25 is apt, as the former was about 27.5 tons, and so in the E25's weight class This whole incorrect idea that the E25 was supposed to replace the Jagdpanzer 38t, seems to be a product of WOT. The ingame model is unrealistically small. Its ingame weight is 1.5 tons more than an ingame Jadpanzer IV despite being smaller in length, height, width and even having less armor. Combine this with the E10 being the only one of the E series that isnt in WOT, and the E25's uncannily similar appearance to the Hetzer and its easy to see why this myth has come to be
There's something about seeing a vehicle that someone put time and effort into, that either never got a chance or was a complete failure being given a second chance in a videogame that just makes me happy.
One small thing I really appreciate, is the lack of the term "Hetzer" when mentioning the jagdpanzer 38(t). While retroactively attached and recognized as a quasi-offical title, such attention to small details are greatly appreciated! Just one of the many things I love about this channel and its website.
It was contemporary and it was of German origin (enough for Guderian to write a memo to Hitler about it). You can check our website article about the Jagdpanzer 38t and find multiple German original documents using the designation. What it never was though is official.
The E25 is popular because of the ridiculous camo rating. Between having a relatively small gun and being low to the ground it is basically invisible whilst it shoots you.
It’s worth noting that the E-25’s on the move camo rating with the penalty was a match for or even better than many light tanks that have a class bonus for on the move camo. Once it sat still long enough, it far exceeded all but a handful of exceptionally stealthy light tanks for camo rating. Combined with a functional for its tier spotting distance of 360m for its day of introduction, this would be grandfathered due to its status as a premium vehicle when TD view ranges were significantly nerfed. Combined with its significant mobility stats, it is actually perfectly viable to give your E-25 a passive scouting build to swap to either in matches where neither side is given light tanks at all, or in matches where the opposing light tank is at a significant mobility disadvantage. I have felt especially dirty in No-LT matches running this as a passive scout on a hood scouting map, in some cases getting an ace tanker badge in it without ever firing a shot. One of my dirtiest moments was sneaking into an inconspicuous random bush near my own base when the enemy was preparing to go for my cap. Just out their in the open near the cap edge as friendly Arty tried in vain to evacuate. Enemy team killed the Arty, but pulled up to the edge of the berm to try to poke out shots at my team defending the cap. The problem was… their sixth sense wasn’t going off anymore. They couldn’t estimate where my teammates were really poking out over the ridge line for a shot, couldn’t tell if or where they were repositioning for their next shot. Nothing. One went as far as claim they were hacking in the all chat. Nope, they just had an E-25 in a camo net about 70m away from them laughing himself silly. If that Arty hadn’t been there, they may have realized that something was in that bush. I only open fired when it was the last tank left. Dirtiest thing I ever did in WOT… and I was an Arty Main who gold spammed in the M44 back in the day.
is7 wasnt really a failure. it was an amazing tank that was way ahead of its time but it was hard to transport and the t54 was just so much cheaper to build. it just didnt fight the soviet doctorine
@allorfh2495 is the cybertruck the world's most amazing automobile? It depends on if you base that assumption on the sales brochure or what they could have actually built at the time. What we do know is: "it's the world's best tank! No really guys! Trust us! No you can't see anything more than those 2-3 pictures from kublinka from 15years ago", that it wasn't accepted into service, and 6 of the 7 prototypes didn't survive testing (mostly, as I can find, due to automotive failures and in one case the fuel catching fire and the automatic extinguishers failing). If it was a cost thing, they would have canceled the IS3 as well, it continues to boogle my mind that they didn't scrap those after noone wanted to buy them instead of making the 3M
If the E-25 was intended to partially replace Panzer IVs and the Schmalturm was also thought to be an upgrade to Panzer IVs, would it have been possible to mount a Schmalturm on an E-25 instead?
I read somewhere, and sorry, don't remember where, that TD crews preferred bigger gun over armor. The reasoning being what you just blew up can't hurt you.
@@nowthenzen Yep! Hence the trend of post-war designs to go more towards mobility and firepower than firepower and armor, as armor became very quickly useless against new munitions that hit the scene in the 50s - this fact didn't really change until ERA and composite armor came about much later.
@@nowthenzen Also, from most accounts, whoever saw first, shot first, wins first. It is really hard to respond to an enemy tank when your hull is ringing like a bell, even if it didn't penetrate. A burst of machine gun fire sparking across your vision ports is going to make it really hard to aim accurately.
A full loadout of gold grounds the fun was golden. Never made money on it. WoT was and is still redicoulus, which is why I quit two years ago. Pay to win. Not a fred game. Removing both friendly fire and artillery broke the game. What a bunch of stupid developers.
"Germany entered the war with a large number of tank dxesigns that were, by and large, superior to their oppositon". This is simply untrue. Germany entered the war relying primarily on obsolete Pz Is and IIs and tanks looted from the Czechs, almost all of which were inferior to frontline French and Soviet vehicles. Early war German armour was poor. Their early war successes were due, almost entirely, to superior tactics.
@@HerrZenki Greetings.👋 When engaging an E 25 from the front, the left side of their lower front plate from your point of view is one of their ammunition racks. It might tank some practice to hit, but once one starts to figure out its exact position, they can learn to kill their DPM or at least reduce it a noticable about.👌
I found that the Bassoto with the derp gun is quite effective at eliminating an e25. Put in a gun rammer and pop out 2 450dmg shells in 5.5 seconds. They don't expect it, so each time they've basically sat in front of me and eat the first shell. Probably thinking that they will kill me before I reload. They don't, and another cockroach is dead. But general rule of thumb with an e25.... Avoid them.
It’s just hilarious to me that the solution they had to solve production and development problems is to introduce 5 additional paper design that requires retooling of all current factories which would dramatically slow or stop production for several months. And during the transitional phase make the logistics of parts even more of a nightmare. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the project is cancelled just by being looked at by some logistics people and they just went “yeah no”.
Sorry to be that guy but the e25 model in world of tanks clearly uses an mg34 ( as can be seen by the perforated hand guard and the hexagonal locking nut behind the muzle booster) and not a 20 mm auto as specified in the video
Aestethic plays a major role in why theres a renewal of interest in these. Their sleek plain design is now seen as futuristic while before it was seen as too spartan.
How the E25 weights in at 27 tons when the even longer and thicker armored Hetzer only weighs 16 tons? Is the longer gun with the same caliber is so much heavier?
I know it's not related to the topic but does anyone know the name of the track/music that starts playing at 00:13? Because it sounds to me like I've already listened to it somewhere but I don't remember where (it has some kind of old RPG vibes but I'm not sure about it) and since Tank Encyclopedia already used Genshin Impact OST in another video I assume it might be from some videogame.
Ah yes, E-25. The time germans came up with paper idea for Strv103 wannabe:D Idk, E series always weirds me out. Especially with how people think that E-50 and E-75 weren't just Panther and Tiger B on new more sturdy component base. There were suggestion to have E-50 and E-75 share hull and be like standard tank and Jumbo version, but if I recall right that was basically napkin suggestion only at that point
there was slightly more than that, but yes generally speaking the e50 was going to be the base tank of the german army, and the e75 and e100 would be breakthrough tanks, with the e10 and e25 was scout and rear guard units respectfully. also to add the whole project was to just consolidate all of the tanks to use as many components as each other, that way you dont need 50 factories to produce 50 different parts for 50 different tanks.
@@vunguyenxuanhoang7422 it doesnt help they keep finding problems and fixing them, and creating a new sub division of said tank. however the germans got nothing on japanese airplanes, you can legitimate have 20 different aircraft all under a6m3, solely because a wing spar was changed differently. and they had a system to show what was a major change, a minor change and a engine change. FOR THEIR AIRCRAFT DESIGNATION SYSTEM
@@Thekilleroftanksexcept that's the myth I talked about. E-100 predates E series development by about a year as it's continuation of Tiger-Maus project and it was shut down before Maus. And as stated, E-50 and E-75 development limited itself to developing component base that would fit dimensions of existing Panther and Tiger B, allowing their standardisation on shared components. E-50 wouldn't have been nothing beyond Panther G with fixed reliability issues. WoT popularized the myth that is taking a suggestion of one of the designers to the extreme, however that was only a suggestion and actual work wasn't done in that direction. E-10 and E-25 are even weirder case.
Not gonna lie, any time I manage to kill an E25 in WoT, I get a very satisfied feeling, usually have a bit of a laugh, and if the timing's right I'll crack open a beer in celebration.
The E series was an attempt at standardising a complete chaotic bunch of tanks into a proper series with interchangeable parts. This would have made production easier and cut waste and costs.
Hard to believe that Germany was planning a 1942 tank with less frontal armor than the Auf. J panzer IVs (80 mm) and an incredible 550 HP engine when the Auf. J panzer IVs has 265 hp Mayback engine. (High Horsepower = high fuel consumption and Germany lacked fuel/energy.)
You are comparing apples to peaches. E-25 would have been a 1945/46 development while Pz IVH (J was a later but worse version) was essentially a 1930s design. 50mm sloped at 50° comes pretty close to 80mm effective armor. The old MAYBACH in Pz IV also dates back to the 30s. There were engine developments, supposedly diesels, for the E-series with up to 1000 (?) HP for the big boys, i.e. E-50 and E-75. If it was to have that kind of mobility, the E-25 would have needed a 500 HP engine at least. It's all theory anyway. However, how all that would have come to play, considering the fuel situation you've mentioned, is questionable at least. The whole thing is so Sci-fi, it wouldn't be misplaced in "The Man in the High Castle". They would have needed the E-series to travel back in time to stop the Allies from overrunning Germany to be able to produce the things in the first place ...
Well, just because a vehicle can move faster doesn't mean it will do so all the time. The battlefield would have remained a warzone with all the constraints that imposes and I suspect the E25 would have simply had a bit more pep to get over hills or make quick dashes when flanking, retreating or moving to otherwise favourable positions. Back then, most fuel was consumed when travelling to the front or whilst idle and neither requires maximum acceleration or speed. Plus, it was supposed to be light and this would further improve its fuel economy (in theoy). r
@@aymonfoxc1442 Absolutely. Top speed is only important for quick deployment. On a battlefield, acceleration is way more important. You won't go 60 km/h off-road anyway in a WW2 tank. Way too much attrition for any component of the suspension. And the Germans (and British !) tankers didn't wear head protection or helmets, which makes an off-road trip so much more enjoyable ...
Der E-25 sollte eine 3cm MK108 im Kommandanten-Turm bekommen. Zum einen war das eine gurtzuführende Waffe, im Gegensatz zu den bekannten 2cm Kanonen der Wehrmacht. Und sie diente 2 Aufgaben: - Selbstverteidigung gegen Infanterie und leicht gepanzerte Fahrzeuge - Als Flugabwehr-Waffe gegen Jagdbomber und Schlachtflieger
I personally think that the E-25's design would have only exacerbated the issues the Jagdpanzer IV/70 had with regards to its abysmal, front-heavy handling and maneuverability. An approach more akin to the Jagdpanther or the "Hetzer" would have been more suitable. That being said, from a pure combat point of view I do believe it would have had a similar performance to the stellar Jagdpanzer IV and Jagdpanzer 38 (t), likely even better (I know, makes sense since it's an evolution of both designs). An utter nightmare for Shermans and T-34s alike.
i don’t think the machine gun on top of the e25 in wot is a 2cm, but rather the same sort of machine gun in the hull of panzer 3s to tigers beside the driver hatch
A youtuber named "Wassilij Saitsev" (or similar) made a video (in German !) about the E-series. He shows some blueprints, a good part of which were about the proposed suspension(s). There was everything in discussion from bogeys to torsion bars.
I'd disagree with your summary of German armour pre war and leading to 1939/40. Heavily relying on Czech tanks doesn't indicate a well equipped armoured branch.
Got to disagree with the comment that Germany entered the war with tank designs superior to most of their oppositions, the four main types of German designed tank fielded by the Wehrmacht in 1939 were, at best, equal to or even slightly inferior to many designs they faced, it was the tactics not the tanks that gave the Germans the advantage over their enemies early in the war.
The E-series was a theoretical effort on paper by Germany to introduce production engineering. Something the USA and USSR had been doing since the outbreak of war.
Man do I love this goofy little mf in Blitz. When there's deals for it it can usually be bought for like a 15 bucks with all modules and some boosters, and it can really just rip things apart with pure DPM - during the fun modes, it and the Chrysler K are my credit printers.
Some of realistic composed E25 will be not failure because similar td 38t 75mmL48 Hetzer and 38D with 75mmL70 approved as good successors of Stug3G [ simpler production, faster vehicles etc] in fact E10 was real Hetzer[after 38D], E25 was JpzL70E successor
To clear up a point, the model in WOT is powerful, perhaps OP. However, the secondary armament is not functional, merely decorative, and has no bearing on the game.
Definitely not, but a jadgpanzer IV without it's skirt armor would look very similar at a quick glance, as the E25 is very very often depicted without skirt armor.
If I'm just going by the Mercs and BMWs I've had the displeasure of doing exhaust work to, it seems the Germans can't make anything if it isn't 'reinventing the wheel' in a more complicated manor while proclaiming "superior engineering" that requires unnecessary disassembly of parts to even be able to look at the actual part you're fixing.
if they wanted any sort of advantage from standardization in time for the war they would of had to start at least when they designed the panther & tiger if not with the panzer 4, or even the panzer 3 seeing as they made so many sturmgeschütze
They tried. But being germans they where to stupid and lousy as engineers to get it right. So instead of a universal replacement for P3 and 4 they endet with trash that destroyed the final drives after less than 200km and tended to catch fire for no reason
@@mbr5742ah, the classic "they were stupid because it had flaws" argument. Alright fancy pants, take the chair of the armaments minister. Let's say that instead of 2 panthers they made 3 or 4 lighter and simpler panzer IV'mk2. They were out of oil reserves in late 1941, not enough fuel for normal operations so how would they fuel even more tanks? Where would they get additional rare metals, rubber and other materials to produce additional tanks? Everyone knows that Germany lacked manpower, especially trained crews/pilots, jagdtigers were being abandoned because the crews were spooked by a handful of shermans, they would have had to resort stuffing children into "reliable" tanks with no fuel, swarmed by aircraft, pounded by artillery and swarmed by infantry. 80 years some guy on the internet would say "ah, stupid germans made a million of small shitty tanks, they should have built like 10 really big ones" German engineers and industry made the best of the situation they were in. So did Soviet and American ones. The war was impossible to win. But please, share your thoughts how those imbeciles could have done better
@@thelordofcringe Aircraft and artillery was effective against lightly armored vehicles and open tops. But weren't so effective against closed tops. However i'm running of memory here so if you got a source please share :) And sorry about the hostility
I had the first E25 😊 Tiny little fast everything bug.. Real life it would be different.. A defensive weapon more.. Never a lone hunter like the game..
1:07 actually, the vast majority of German tanks when they entered WW2 were NOT superior to their opposition. What the German's had was much better tactics (particularly "combined arms" use), and much better coordination and crew training. Yeah, the Germans had plenty of radio sets, but, for example, the invasion of France involved a huge number of Panzer I and Panzer II.🙄 The move to endless "complicated" tanks with endless issues is really only a 1943 (perhaps late 1942) - onwards problem. And even then, the Germans kept cranking out StuGs.
Th coupola mounted gun was taken from a porche design by wargaming. If he was claiming hulls were made they may have not been at the plant as hull welding was done off site just like tiger hulls which were delivered from welders by rail to the krupp works
It could be useful if used the same way US tank destroyed were originally envisioned, as a more mobile replacement for towed antitank guns rather than a replacement for a tank.
That's what all tank destroyers generally were supposed to be. SUPPOSED is the key word here. And the Germans came up with the idea first. The US Army "coincidentally" came to the same conclusion. Even TD doctrine was as close as it can get, only differing in the actual unit size desired to engage the enemy. Edit: We always forget the Russians; their "AT-gun fronts" weren't that mobile compared to SPGs, but they reflect the same doctrine.
If the E series was started before the war it might have made a little difference, but it wasn't German equipment that did for them, but the mad man sat on top
The E25 really is just another great waste of resources. Sorry kids but all the E series make for really cool model kits. The WOT version is a sales to generate revenue. WOT might as well include Hammer's Slammers and Bolo series of vehicles as real world things 😊😊
Bro what is with that claim that germany was a pioneer before the war and entered the conflict with superior tanks than the others? The reality was quite literally the opposite, they had mediocre tanks when compared to certain allied tanks, especially when they invaded USSR and faced the T-34, but those later larger and more complex german tanks, while they did have issues of their own as you mentioned, were the actual reason why german tanks were considered superior. Nobody considered the panzer 2 superior to the czech or french light tanks, nobody considered early variants of panzers 3 and 4 superior to early T-34s either.
@@somethingtoputonpizza6667 the path is maybe they Will take advantage by making that paper and concept tank to premium one, like wot did.... And maybe community Will not take it well. Wot and wt always had line that make it difference but if wt try do something like wot.... They cross the line to become like wot.... IMO
The main problem with paper tanks is balancing their stat. Gaijin already had a bad reputation for balancing real, functional tanks and constantly giving it wrong stat that it had in real life (and they also rarely listen to the community's bug reports). Adding paper tanks to the game will exacerbate the problem since it gives the devs the freedom to make up all the stat for the vehicles they want. This combined with their retarded Balancing Department is an absolute nightmare waiting to explode.
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The E25 with 8.8 cm, 10.5 cm or an autoloader would have been a ergonomic and space nightmare for the crew. I would imagine the crews already cuddling around each other.
The crew would have been very young or without legs had the war lasted much longer.
Meanwhile russian tanks:
14 competing standards. Develop one universal standard to fix this. 15 competing standards.
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Ah yes, the E25. Because WoT wasn't frustrating enough.
It was the introduction of too many OP paper tanks that contributed to my stopping playing WoT. Real tanks with proven real world capabilities being outmatched by projects that were abandoned because of their impracticality ? No thanks.
Oh dont get wot players started...(i took up airsoft at 45 rather than continue handing wg money)
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@@Kevin-mx1vi IS-7,IS-4,S.Conqueror(it is just Conqueror with an additional face plate and some minor buff), Maus, Obj 268,... are all power crept by blue-print vehicles that never go into the mock-up stage, not even the prototype
I mean I quit WoT literally years ago, as in before wheeled vehicle shit was a thing.
I LOVED my E-25. it was awesome. Is it awesome now, no fucking idea. but given the ridiculousness WoT has introduced since... I am willing to be its been kinda power creeped.....
I am willing to bet the E25 these days is simply a kinda rare tank, that is utterly outmatched by the meta...
But then you actually had to work to USE that thing properly. Yes, it had an insane camo rating, but its view range was not very good, least not from my memory.... but then I have not played world of shit for 5 or 6 years now......
SO I might be wrong....
@@alganhar1I played a little bit last year and it still does well in its tier, but the jank camo/spotting mechanics have been completely wrecked by new matchmaking and new tier VIII lights and there are so many new VIII premiums that dominate. I spent actual money on the E25 and the JT88 way back when, so it sucks that both are no longer that good. Especially the JT88 where most new VIII mediums don't even need to aim for weak spots in the front
It looks like the E25 was resurrected in the cold war as the Kanonenjagdpanzer (KanJPz)! Same general layout, but larger and with a 90 mm gun and later an ATGM weapon installed. Just my opinion, but the similarities are striking
The KanJPz was a successor to the Jagdpanzer 4, with lessons learned from the Jagdpanther. Closer to a Jagdpanzer version of the E50 concept.
The E25 was supposed to be a direct replacement for the Jagdpanzer 38t (AKA the hetzer) but with streamlining for mass production.
You're almost on the right track there. Many of the people and companies responsible for the Kanonenjagdpanzer were also responsible for the Jadgpanzer IV.
@@Kieselmeister The E25 was not a replacement for the Jagdpanzer 38t, its was a replacement for the vehicles that fit around the 25 ton category (Panzer III & Panzer IV as well as their variants) hence why it was called the E25. It was the E10 that was going to fill the role of the tanks around 10 tons and so would of included the 15 ton Jagdpanzer 38t and late variants of the Panzer II
The comparison of the KanJPz and the E25 is apt, as the former was about 27.5 tons, and so in the E25's weight class
This whole incorrect idea that the E25 was supposed to replace the Jagdpanzer 38t, seems to be a product of WOT. The ingame model is unrealistically small. Its ingame weight is 1.5 tons more than an ingame Jadpanzer IV despite being smaller in length, height, width and even having less armor. Combine this with the E10 being the only one of the E series that isnt in WOT, and the E25's uncannily similar appearance to the Hetzer and its easy to see why this myth has come to be
@@wolfehoffmann2697Those were good people 😹
I believe it is based in the HWK11 hull, which was jointly developed by West Germany and Mexico.
There's something about seeing a vehicle that someone put time and effort into, that either never got a chance or was a complete failure being given a second chance in a videogame that just makes me happy.
I love the e25!!! Would love to see more info about all the e tanks
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One small thing I really appreciate, is the lack of the term "Hetzer" when mentioning the jagdpanzer 38(t). While retroactively attached and recognized as a quasi-offical title, such attention to small details are greatly appreciated! Just one of the many things I love about this channel and its website.
It was contemporary and it was of German origin (enough for Guderian to write a memo to Hitler about it). You can check our website article about the Jagdpanzer 38t and find multiple German original documents using the designation.
What it never was though is official.
The most memorable cockroach in existence.
Never would I have expected a FHSW mention, very cool.
The E25 is popular because of the ridiculous camo rating. Between having a relatively small gun and being low to the ground it is basically invisible whilst it shoots you.
It’s worth noting that the E-25’s on the move camo rating with the penalty was a match for or even better than many light tanks that have a class bonus for on the move camo. Once it sat still long enough, it far exceeded all but a handful of exceptionally stealthy light tanks for camo rating. Combined with a functional for its tier spotting distance of 360m for its day of introduction, this would be grandfathered due to its status as a premium vehicle when TD view ranges were significantly nerfed.
Combined with its significant mobility stats, it is actually perfectly viable to give your E-25 a passive scouting build to swap to either in matches where neither side is given light tanks at all, or in matches where the opposing light tank is at a significant mobility disadvantage.
I have felt especially dirty in No-LT matches running this as a passive scout on a hood scouting map, in some cases getting an ace tanker badge in it without ever firing a shot. One of my dirtiest moments was sneaking into an inconspicuous random bush near my own base when the enemy was preparing to go for my cap. Just out their in the open near the cap edge as friendly Arty tried in vain to evacuate. Enemy team killed the Arty, but pulled up to the edge of the berm to try to poke out shots at my team defending the cap. The problem was… their sixth sense wasn’t going off anymore. They couldn’t estimate where my teammates were really poking out over the ridge line for a shot, couldn’t tell if or where they were repositioning for their next shot. Nothing. One went as far as claim they were hacking in the all chat. Nope, they just had an E-25 in a camo net about 70m away from them laughing himself silly. If that Arty hadn’t been there, they may have realized that something was in that bush. I only open fired when it was the last tank left.
Dirtiest thing I ever did in WOT… and I was an Arty Main who gold spammed in the M44 back in the day.
@@Zeknif1 I know right the feeling of being invisible is hilarious
"Terror Online, Failure in Reality" sounds like the IS3 & 7... but on a serious note, love the videos!
is7 wasnt really a failure. it was an amazing tank that was way ahead of its time but it was hard to transport and the t54 was just so much cheaper to build. it just didnt fight the soviet doctorine
@allorfh2495 is the cybertruck the world's most amazing automobile?
It depends on if you base that assumption on the sales brochure or what they could have actually built at the time. What we do know is: "it's the world's best tank! No really guys! Trust us! No you can't see anything more than those 2-3 pictures from kublinka from 15years ago", that it wasn't accepted into service, and 6 of the 7 prototypes didn't survive testing (mostly, as I can find, due to automotive failures and in one case the fuel catching fire and the automatic extinguishers failing). If it was a cost thing, they would have canceled the IS3 as well, it continues to boogle my mind that they didn't scrap those after noone wanted to buy them instead of making the 3M
If the E-25 was intended to partially replace Panzer IVs and the Schmalturm was also thought to be an upgrade to Panzer IVs, would it have been possible to mount a Schmalturm on an E-25 instead?
No way, the hull is way too small and the engine way too weak.
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Honestly, would be hilarious, an e25 looking thing with a vk30.02m looking turret with a low cupola is funny to think about
@@hondafknciviv3818yea lol
I read somewhere, and sorry, don't remember where, that TD crews preferred bigger gun over armor. The reasoning being what you just blew up can't hurt you.
It also gets obsolete more slowly.A pak 40 on threads would still be usable in 1945,50mm of armor was papier mache in 1942.
@@naamadossantossilva4736 You mean, a big enough gun never goes out of style?
@@nowthenzen Yep! Hence the trend of post-war designs to go more towards mobility and firepower than firepower and armor, as armor became very quickly useless against new munitions that hit the scene in the 50s - this fact didn't really change until ERA and composite armor came about much later.
@@nowthenzen Also, from most accounts, whoever saw first, shot first, wins first. It is really hard to respond to an enemy tank when your hull is ringing like a bell, even if it didn't penetrate. A burst of machine gun fire sparking across your vision ports is going to make it really hard to aim accurately.
The Cockroach is hilariously fun to play in WoT. If only it had more ammo to keep the comedy going longer.
A full loadout of gold grounds the fun was golden. Never made money on it. WoT was and is still redicoulus, which is why I quit two years ago. Pay to win. Not a fred game.
Removing both friendly fire and artillery broke the game. What a bunch of stupid developers.
This will make me build my bigger Hobbyboss kits in 1:35 - the E-50 and E-75. Hope to get the E-25 one day. Nice Paper Panzers!
Would surely love to see something about E-75 and E-50 since i couldn't really see any in-depth research done on RUclips on this topic
"Germany entered the war with a large number of tank dxesigns that were, by and large, superior to their oppositon". This is simply untrue. Germany entered the war relying primarily on obsolete Pz Is and IIs and tanks looted from the Czechs, almost all of which were inferior to frontline French and Soviet vehicles. Early war German armour was poor. Their early war successes were due, almost entirely, to superior tactics.
Love the e-25 video. Hope you also make another e-series video.
I wanna see the E10. An even smaller boi.
I do not have this tank in World of Tanks, but as an M36 Jackson main, I have found that when engaging E 25's, one must focus their ammunition rack.
Ah, a compatriot in arms. M18 Hellcat driver here.
@@HerrZenki Greetings.👋 When engaging an E 25 from the front, the left side of their lower front plate from your point of view is one of their ammunition racks. It might tank some practice to hit, but once one starts to figure out its exact position, they can learn to kill their DPM or at least reduce it a noticable about.👌
@@larry-three8225 excellent insights. Happy as a turtle in mud
@@HerrZenki Sweet. ':^)🐢
I found that the Bassoto with the derp gun is quite effective at eliminating an e25. Put in a gun rammer and pop out 2 450dmg shells in 5.5 seconds. They don't expect it, so each time they've basically sat in front of me and eat the first shell. Probably thinking that they will kill me before I reload. They don't, and another cockroach is dead.
But general rule of thumb with an e25.... Avoid them.
It’s just hilarious to me that the solution they had to solve production and development problems is to introduce 5 additional paper design that requires retooling of all current factories which would dramatically slow or stop production for several months.
And during the transitional phase make the logistics of parts even more of a nightmare. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the project is cancelled just by being looked at by some logistics people and they just went “yeah no”.
Great ambitions, insane political leadership
聽起來好像很混亂，但是完成了所有的設計需求，減少了大量的零配件生產的複雜度與通用性，也不是同時所有工廠都要馬上停產去轉換
甚至部分來說，只是要生產一種"新的部件" 而不是7、8種的零件
我不太確定物流方面倒底有多少問題
They expected to have Egypt and Crimea in 42 with new factories
Sorry to be that guy but the e25 model in world of tanks clearly uses an mg34 ( as can be seen by the perforated hand guard and the hexagonal locking nut behind the muzle booster) and not a 20 mm auto as specified in the video
Realy informative video 😮
Aestethic plays a major role in why theres a renewal of interest in these. Their sleek plain design is now seen as futuristic while before it was seen as too spartan.
I remember my group of friends referring to this as the little roach in WoT lol
8:12 damn Alkett truly was frankenstein lab full of all kind of monstrous wonders
The P4 music in the background was a nice touch.
cool video man
How the E25 weights in at 27 tons when the even longer and thicker armored Hetzer only weighs 16 tons?
Is the longer gun with the same caliber is so much heavier?
Reminiscent of the much later Jagdpanzer Kanone (90mm).
This tank looks like something I could build in Sprocket
Then go on😜
Is there more videos talking about the entire E-series?
@@KipMagnusJansson thank you! I hope the tank encyclopedia makes the whole series
With how well the m18 hellcat performed I certainly see some merit in the e25s design. Both are fast well armed and not very well armored.
I know it's not related to the topic but does anyone know the name of the track/music that starts playing at 00:13? Because it sounds to me like I've already listened to it somewhere but I don't remember where (it has some kind of old RPG vibes but I'm not sure about it) and since Tank Encyclopedia already used Genshin Impact OST in another video I assume it might be from some videogame.
It’s from Persona 5 - Ideal and the Real
I know it’s a late response 😂
@@Jamulienthank you very much dude! So it was indeed from a RPG videogame lol
Very interesting!
10:35
Battlefield 1942 FHSW mentioned!!!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Ah yes, E-25. The time germans came up with paper idea for Strv103 wannabe:D
Idk, E series always weirds me out. Especially with how people think that E-50 and E-75 weren't just Panther and Tiger B on new more sturdy component base. There were suggestion to have E-50 and E-75 share hull and be like standard tank and Jumbo version, but if I recall right that was basically napkin suggestion only at that point
there was slightly more than that, but yes generally speaking the e50 was going to be the base tank of the german army, and the e75 and e100 would be breakthrough tanks, with the e10 and e25 was scout and rear guard units respectfully.
also to add the whole project was to just consolidate all of the tanks to use as many components as each other, that way you dont need 50 factories to produce 50 different parts for 50 different tanks.
@@Thekilleroftanks "50 factories to produce 50 different parts for 50 different tanks"
German engineering at its finest :v
@@vunguyenxuanhoang7422 it doesnt help they keep finding problems and fixing them, and creating a new sub division of said tank.
however the germans got nothing on japanese airplanes, you can legitimate have 20 different aircraft all under a6m3, solely because a wing spar was changed differently. and they had a system to show what was a major change, a minor change and a engine change. FOR THEIR AIRCRAFT DESIGNATION SYSTEM
@@Thekilleroftanksexcept that's the myth I talked about. E-100 predates E series development by about a year as it's continuation of Tiger-Maus project and it was shut down before Maus. And as stated, E-50 and E-75 development limited itself to developing component base that would fit dimensions of existing Panther and Tiger B, allowing their standardisation on shared components. E-50 wouldn't have been nothing beyond Panther G with fixed reliability issues.
WoT popularized the myth that is taking a suggestion of one of the designers to the extreme, however that was only a suggestion and actual work wasn't done in that direction.
E-10 and E-25 are even weirder case.
More like the Kanonenjagdpanzer built after the war in Germany. In concept, appearance and function. The Strv103 is a completely different approach.
PAW hi lo pressure system eas awesome, considering 75 mm is
4,000 lbs as example.
The PAW 75mm is 800 lbs with towing system.
It seems like the obvious solution - I'm kind of shocked they didn't go for standardization right from the start of the War honestly.
They tried. But germans are to lousy as engineers and to stupid in general to pull it of
Not gonna lie, any time I manage to kill an E25 in WoT, I get a very satisfied feeling, usually have a bit of a laugh, and if the timing's right I'll crack open a beer in celebration.
I used to feel that way about the T-57.
And the EBR 🤠
With wheels better armoured than any tank, and auto aim better than any human 😱
Another possible issue for the E-25 that might've hindered its adoption into the German military was its propaganda value, or lack thereof.
Any chance of an episode on the Krokodil tank destroyer in the E series?
The E series was an attempt at standardising a complete chaotic bunch of tanks into a proper series with interchangeable parts. This would have made production easier and cut waste and costs.
Hard to believe that Germany was planning a 1942 tank with less frontal armor than the Auf. J panzer IVs (80 mm) and an incredible 550 HP engine when the Auf. J panzer IVs has 265 hp Mayback engine. (High Horsepower = high fuel consumption and Germany lacked fuel/energy.)
You are comparing apples to peaches. E-25 would have been a 1945/46 development while Pz IVH (J was a later but worse version) was essentially a 1930s design.
50mm sloped at 50° comes pretty close to 80mm effective armor. The old MAYBACH in Pz IV also dates back to the 30s. There were engine developments, supposedly diesels, for the E-series with up to 1000 (?) HP for the big boys, i.e. E-50 and E-75. If it was to have that kind of mobility, the E-25 would have needed a 500 HP engine at least. It's all theory anyway.
However, how all that would have come to play, considering the fuel situation you've mentioned, is questionable at least. The whole thing is so Sci-fi, it wouldn't be misplaced in "The Man in the High Castle". They would have needed the E-series to travel back in time to stop the Allies from overrunning Germany to be able to produce the things in the first place ...
Well, just because a vehicle can move faster doesn't mean it will do so all the time. The battlefield would have remained a warzone with all the constraints that imposes and I suspect the E25 would have simply had a bit more pep to get over hills or make quick dashes when flanking, retreating or moving to otherwise favourable positions. Back then, most fuel was consumed when travelling to the front or whilst idle and neither requires maximum acceleration or speed. Plus, it was supposed to be light and this would further improve its fuel economy (in theoy). r
@@aymonfoxc1442 Absolutely. Top speed is only important for quick deployment. On a battlefield, acceleration is way more important. You won't go 60 km/h off-road anyway in a WW2 tank. Way too much attrition for any component of the suspension. And the Germans (and British !) tankers didn't wear head protection or helmets, which makes an off-road trip so much more enjoyable ...
When video about jagdmaus?
The E-series tanks were a true push toward standardized parts and efficiency in logistics but, too little far too late. (Potentially on purpose?)
Der E-25 sollte eine 3cm MK108 im Kommandanten-Turm bekommen. Zum einen war das eine gurtzuführende Waffe, im Gegensatz zu den bekannten 2cm Kanonen der Wehrmacht. Und sie diente 2 Aufgaben:
- Selbstverteidigung gegen Infanterie und leicht gepanzerte Fahrzeuge
- Als Flugabwehr-Waffe gegen Jagdbomber und Schlachtflieger
6:41 Not like they'd mount a recoilless rocket to a Vespa or something. That'd just be weird.
That'd just be French. xD
I imagine it would have been frightening on a completely level surface with plenty of bushes.
And it still has interlaced road wheels. What a hassle.
How can a vehicle be a "failure in reality" when it was never build?
There's some reasons it was never built, and those make it a failure.
I personally think that the E-25's design would have only exacerbated the issues the Jagdpanzer IV/70 had with regards to its abysmal, front-heavy handling and maneuverability. An approach more akin to the Jagdpanther or the "Hetzer" would have been more suitable.
That being said, from a pure combat point of view I do believe it would have had a similar performance to the stellar Jagdpanzer IV and Jagdpanzer 38 (t), likely even better (I know, makes sense since it's an evolution of both designs). An utter nightmare for Shermans and T-34s alike.
They address the front heavy nature in this video
i love the Persona 5 music in the end
i don’t think the machine gun on top of the e25 in wot is a 2cm, but rather the same sort of machine gun in the hull of panzer 3s to tigers beside the driver hatch
Is it so hard to thing one of the of the co protective country would have recovered then and not said anything.
Any good articles detailing suspension used in E-series?
A youtuber named "Wassilij Saitsev" (or similar) made a video (in German !) about the E-series. He shows some blueprints, a good part of which were about the proposed suspension(s).
There was everything in discussion from bogeys to torsion bars.
You know they invented the Sam middle too I couldn’t believe that when I read about it you should do a vid on this
I'd disagree with your summary of German armour pre war and leading to 1939/40. Heavily relying on Czech tanks doesn't indicate a well equipped armoured branch.
Using this tank as a tank sniper would make honest sense if their well hidden
Did germany create a first smoothbore cannon in ww2?
02:49 probably you mean 50 t0 200 mm
Got to disagree with the comment that Germany entered the war with tank designs superior to most of their oppositions, the four main types of German designed tank fielded by the Wehrmacht in 1939 were, at best, equal to or even slightly inferior to many designs they faced, it was the tactics not the tanks that gave the Germans the advantage over their enemies early in the war.
Every time the e25 went on sale the game became unplayable for two weeks
1940.. Germany did have better doctrine but the equipment was on par with other nations.
The E-series was a theoretical effort on paper by Germany to introduce production engineering. Something the USA and USSR had been doing since the outbreak of war.
That top mounted gun doesn't look like a 2cm, it more looks like it mounts Just a regular MG34
Because it is. The talk of the 2cm gun was about the strange depictions with a Panzer II turret mounted on the roof.
@@wolfehoffmann2697 Video said it was a 2cm. 11:26
Man do I love this goofy little mf in Blitz. When there's deals for it it can usually be bought for like a 15 bucks with all modules and some boosters, and it can really just rip things apart with pure DPM - during the fun modes, it and the Chrysler K are my credit printers.
If the Germans had focused on the IV chassi and gone straight to the E series the war culd have ended diffrently
Not very likely
It would have lasted for a few more months at most. You think tanks were why Germany lost the war?
Yeah it would have ended with the A Bomb being dropped on Berlin
Looks like the postwar
Kanonenjagdpanzer
E25, best tank in World of Tanks... (fyi, most of the 'footage' of the E25 driving around is actual from the Word of Tanks game...)
Some of realistic composed E25 will be not failure because similar td 38t 75mmL48 Hetzer and 38D with 75mmL70 approved as good successors of Stug3G [ simpler production, faster vehicles etc] in fact E10 was real Hetzer[after 38D], E25 was JpzL70E successor
I used to hate that thing in the world of tanks back a decade back or so. Cheers
FHSW- europe , Batlefield 1942 Forgotten Hope Secret Weapon
looks like a Kanonenjagdpanzer of the Bundeswehr to me
I love my E25 armored cockroach in World of tanks.
To clear up a point, the model in WOT is powerful, perhaps OP. However, the secondary armament is not functional, merely decorative, and has no bearing on the game.
I swear on the ww2 documentaries on uk Netflix you see a e25 drive down a road
Definitely not, but a jadgpanzer IV without it's skirt armor would look very similar at a quick glance, as the E25 is very very often depicted without skirt armor.
@@wolfehoffmann2697 go watch it has the interlocking wheels like the e25 and the 2 exhaust on the rear of the tank go look for yourself
I think we need that in war thunder, put it in already over-powered german 5.0 line
If I'm just going by the Mercs and BMWs I've had the displeasure of doing exhaust work to, it seems the Germans can't make anything if it isn't 'reinventing the wheel' in a more complicated manor while proclaiming "superior engineering" that requires unnecessary disassembly of parts to even be able to look at the actual part you're fixing.
if they wanted any sort of advantage from standardization in time for the war they would of had to start at least when they designed the panther & tiger if not with the panzer 4, or even the panzer 3 seeing as they made so many sturmgeschütze
They tried. But being germans they where to stupid and lousy as engineers to get it right. So instead of a universal replacement for P3 and 4 they endet with trash that destroyed the final drives after less than 200km and tended to catch fire for no reason
@@mbr5742ah, the classic "they were stupid because it had flaws" argument. Alright fancy pants, take the chair of the armaments minister. Let's say that instead of 2 panthers they made 3 or 4 lighter and simpler panzer IV'mk2. They were out of oil reserves in late 1941, not enough fuel for normal operations so how would they fuel even more tanks? Where would they get additional rare metals, rubber and other materials to produce additional tanks? Everyone knows that Germany lacked manpower, especially trained crews/pilots, jagdtigers were being abandoned because the crews were spooked by a handful of shermans, they would have had to resort stuffing children into "reliable" tanks with no fuel, swarmed by aircraft, pounded by artillery and swarmed by infantry. 80 years some guy on the internet would say "ah, stupid germans made a million of small shitty tanks, they should have built like 10 really big ones"
German engineers and industry made the best of the situation they were in. So did Soviet and American ones. The war was impossible to win. But please, share your thoughts how those imbeciles could have done better
IRL the e25 would have been blasted by Sherman's American artillery and fighter bombers. Something WOT has little of.
At that point in time artillery and aircraft weren't that effective against tanks
@@thelordofcringe dude plays too much war thunder
@@thelordofcringe Aircraft and artillery was effective against lightly armored vehicles and open tops. But weren't so effective against closed tops.
However i'm running of memory here so if you got a source please share :)
And sorry about the hostility
I had the first E25 😊 Tiny little fast everything bug.. Real life it would be different.. A defensive weapon more.. Never a lone hunter like the game..
1:07 actually, the vast majority of German tanks when they entered WW2 were NOT superior to their opposition.
What the German's had was much better tactics (particularly "combined arms" use), and much better coordination and crew training.
Yeah, the Germans had plenty of radio sets, but, for example, the invasion of France involved a huge number of Panzer I and Panzer II.🙄
The move to endless "complicated" tanks with endless issues is really only a 1943 (perhaps late 1942) - onwards problem. And even then, the Germans kept cranking out StuGs.
Good thing the germans did figure this out sooner
But hight of 2 m is not a small, of I misunderstood. Anyway great video as always.
its small for a tank
@@lukeisadog Jagdpanzer IV height was 1,85 m
Tier 5 premium for e10 please
Th coupola mounted gun was taken from a porche design by wargaming.
If he was claiming hulls were made they may have not been at the plant as hull welding was done off site just like tiger hulls which were delivered from welders by rail to the krupp works
I get a particular joy when I get one of these little guys in my crosshairs....
It could be useful if used the same way US tank destroyed were originally envisioned, as a more mobile replacement for towed antitank guns rather than a replacement for a tank.
That's what all tank destroyers generally were supposed to be. SUPPOSED is the key word here. And the Germans came up with the idea first. The US Army "coincidentally" came to the same conclusion. Even TD doctrine was as close as it can get, only differing in the actual unit size desired to engage the enemy.
Edit: We always forget the Russians; their "AT-gun fronts" weren't that mobile compared to SPGs, but they reflect the same doctrine.
If the E series was started before the war it might have made a little difference, but it wasn't German equipment that did for them, but the mad man sat on top
1:00 are u actually kidding me right? Germany had models that were superior to their enemies before ww2? Wow, someone really needs to study more
Reminds me of the Swiss tank
Had the war lasted a few month more the Centurion tanks would have been there.
The E25 really is just another great waste of resources. Sorry kids but all the E series make for really cool model kits. The WOT version is a sales to generate revenue. WOT might as well include Hammer's Slammers and Bolo series of vehicles as real world things 😊😊
Bro what is with that claim that germany was a pioneer before the war and entered the conflict with superior tanks than the others? The reality was quite literally the opposite, they had mediocre tanks when compared to certain allied tanks, especially when they invaded USSR and faced the T-34, but those later larger and more complex german tanks, while they did have issues of their own as you mentioned, were the actual reason why german tanks were considered superior. Nobody considered the panzer 2 superior to the czech or french light tanks, nobody considered early variants of panzers 3 and 4 superior to early T-34s either.
Hi
if only war thunder allowed Paper and concept tanks it would be cool to play these
(I'm not much of a fan of world of tanks gameplay)
nah impossible, once they taste paper or concept tank. they walk same path like wot :v
@@aquasalim2775 what's the path?....
@@somethingtoputonpizza6667 the path is maybe they Will take advantage by making that paper and concept tank to premium one, like wot did.... And maybe community Will not take it well. Wot and wt always had line that make it difference but if wt try do something like wot.... They cross the line to become like wot.... IMO
@@aquasalim2775 I do hate it when a unique tank is a premium, but after so many years there gonna run out of real tanks
The main problem with paper tanks is balancing their stat. Gaijin already had a bad reputation for balancing real, functional tanks and constantly giving it wrong stat that it had in real life (and they also rarely listen to the community's bug reports).
Adding paper tanks to the game will exacerbate the problem since it gives the devs the freedom to make up all the stat for the vehicles they want. This combined with their retarded Balancing Department is an absolute nightmare waiting to explode.
Looks like a baby Su-85
In reality this tank with good gun and small silhouette whould be deadly
would have made a good anti-tank vehicle
HALLO i bring thee: the VK and Sd. Kfz.
hail the cockroach tank