Curious if Thor was steady, not in the presence of other dogs? It doesn't look like that would be the case here, and is a precursor to having him steady with other dogs or honoring. He hasn't had adequate basic training either. All dogs are not created equal and this one has a high drive and likes to be in charge. He needs a strong handler. Not a dog for a newbie to train. At some point down the road, this drill would be helpful for him, but too soon at present and not really fair for the other dogs/clients either. I would recommend having them in the background (off to the side) at this point watching the other dogs work, until he can be steady at a distance. Use a healing stick if need be and keep his butt planted. Once he masters that and moves back into the line. This dog needs to Sit on the stop, no standing for him. Keep him on a long line, until he is retrieving consistently. No excuse for him not returning directly to his handler. This should be all dialed in before all the temptations he has to deal with now. Your job as a trainer is to help the dog be successful.
I think everything you say makes sense in a perfect world. Unfortunately, we rarely come across those circumstances in life. Thor is a dog that belongs to a friend of ours who has been to many workshops with us over the years. Thor's issues exist much like nay other dogs issues exist, and we work towards righting them accordingly. I think a-lot of what you said makes good sense under certain circumstances. However, the circumstance that this video was filmed in was at a next steps workshop of ours, and this drill was the first of the workshop used to gauge where each individual was with their particular dog. From that point on the workshop and what we focused on with each individual handler and dog was driven by each individuals needs. Also keep in mind, this was filmed at a handlers workshops, not a dog training workshop. We focus on training handlers to train their own dogs, as opposed to trying to train dogs themselves in a relatively short period of time. Our hope is that with these workshop videos, the viewers takeaways are situational based on the situation at that moment which was filmed candidly, and shared unedited, rather than in demonstration or a produced style. I appreciate your time watching and sharing your thoughts, please keep that in mind when it comes to specific videos, as each video is relevant to the situation it was filmed in and isn't always clear to the viewer on RUclips. As always, I appreciate the support.
@@DogBoneJeremyMoore Thanks for the reply, you are right. Without the information you provided, one could draw other conclusions. I didn't mean any of it in a mean way, please understand that. I've been training and helping to train retrievers for over 40 yrs. I currently have several champions, one on either end of the spectrum as far as drive. I also understand that training a handler can be even more difficult than the dog if they are unwilling to step back and look at what is going on and how their dog is responding. People allow their dogs to do things, without regard to the negative effects it can have in the long run. In Thor's case, it wouldn't take him long to learn he doesn't need to obey when not on a lead if he doesn't want to. During the video, it seemed to me you were saying that you knew he wasn't steady. Knowing that, looked like you were setting him up for failure, with no way to correct the behavior. It was merely my opinion that he was in over his head, hence the suggestion to go back to basics, gain steadiness and then try to move forward when the owner had some control. Good luck and nice that you share your trainings!
@@DogBoneJeremyMoore absolutely . It's mostly the human part of the equation is the problem . More dogs have been ruined by bad handlers than there are bad dogs
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Curious if Thor was steady, not in the presence of other dogs? It doesn't look like that would be the case here, and is a precursor to having him steady with other dogs or honoring. He hasn't had adequate basic training either. All dogs are not created equal and this one has a high drive and likes to be in charge. He needs a strong handler. Not a dog for a newbie to train. At some point down the road, this drill would be helpful for him, but too soon at present and not really fair for the other dogs/clients either. I would recommend having them in the background (off to the side) at this point watching the other dogs work, until he can be steady at a distance. Use a healing stick if need be and keep his butt planted. Once he masters that and moves back into the line. This dog needs to Sit on the stop, no standing for him. Keep him on a long line, until he is retrieving consistently. No excuse for him not returning directly to his handler. This should be all dialed in before all the temptations he has to deal with now. Your job as a trainer is to help the dog be successful.
I think everything you say makes sense in a perfect world. Unfortunately, we rarely come across those circumstances in life. Thor is a dog that belongs to a friend of ours who has been to many workshops with us over the years. Thor's issues exist much like nay other dogs issues exist, and we work towards righting them accordingly. I think a-lot of what you said makes good sense under certain circumstances. However, the circumstance that this video was filmed in was at a next steps workshop of ours, and this drill was the first of the workshop used to gauge where each individual was with their particular dog. From that point on the workshop and what we focused on with each individual handler and dog was driven by each individuals needs. Also keep in mind, this was filmed at a handlers workshops, not a dog training workshop. We focus on training handlers to train their own dogs, as opposed to trying to train dogs themselves in a relatively short period of time. Our hope is that with these workshop videos, the viewers takeaways are situational based on the situation at that moment which was filmed candidly, and shared unedited, rather than in demonstration or a produced style.
I appreciate your time watching and sharing your thoughts, please keep that in mind when it comes to specific videos, as each video is relevant to the situation it was filmed in and isn't always clear to the viewer on RUclips.
As always, I appreciate the support.
@@DogBoneJeremyMoore Thanks for the reply, you are right. Without the information you provided, one could draw other conclusions. I didn't mean any of it in a mean way, please understand that. I've been training and helping to train retrievers for over 40 yrs. I currently have several champions, one on either end of the spectrum as far as drive. I also understand that training a handler can be even more difficult than the dog if they are unwilling to step back and look at what is going on and how their dog is responding. People allow their dogs to do things, without regard to the negative effects it can have in the long run. In Thor's case, it wouldn't take him long to learn he doesn't need to obey when not on a lead if he doesn't want to. During the video, it seemed to me you were saying that you knew he wasn't steady. Knowing that, looked like you were setting him up for failure, with no way to correct the behavior. It was merely my opinion that he was in over his head, hence the suggestion to go back to basics, gain steadiness and then try to move forward when the owner had some control. Good luck and nice that you share your trainings!
Harder to train the handler than a dog 👌
That is the whole point of our workshops. It's not realistic to think we can train a dog in three days, but we can train the handler.
@@DogBoneJeremyMoore absolutely . It's mostly the human part of the equation is the problem . More dogs have been ruined by bad handlers than there are bad dogs
Was this ment to be about stop a dog breaking??? Fm