Agreed on AA. Plus they’re diving at about 30mph. US naval dove bombing after started at 15k-20k ft and took less than a minute. They were dropping at over 300ft per second with the surface zooming towards them. It must’ve looked terrifying. I’m sure the extra AA what’s the demonstrate how scary the whole experience was, and the courage that it took to do the job. It might have been nice to see a realistic descent and if the radioman called out altitude how alarmingly fast the numbers would tick by. They still did a great job.
@@loonowolf2160 he pulled out of his initial dive on Kaga when he saw both squadrons diving on her. He tried to call off all of VB-6 but only his 2 wingmen saw his signal. At that point, Kaga was still unscathed.
If he wasn't a World War 2 war hero, I think his name could have made an amazing name for a porn star. However, I like how everyone sidestepped that name due to his legacy.
@@johnross456 a great gentleman. He could quote much of Shakespeare by heart. Very confident leader, but not the cockiness of the movie. And a tidbit for you, Best was convinced he contracted TB from the Navy hospital, NOT from the breathing in of caustic gas.
@andyspurlock5957 woah! Thank you, this is awesome. I thought the idea was the caustic soda messed up his lungs, which more enabled TB (likely caught from the hospital) to take hold. In any case, dude was awesome!! Feel free to share anything else you come up with lol.
@@johnross456 being a career Navy man, he just didn’t want to blame a Navy hospital. Another tidbit, he was head of security for the Rand Corporation during the theft of the Pentagon Papers. He hated that corporate job.
I really wish they would’ve have reduced the number of flak bursts in this scene. This is USN 44’ level of AA, not IJN 42’ level. Like we literally have photos from Eastern Solomon’s showing how garbage IJN AA is.
Well, according to the armament the Akagi had, they could fire around 3000 rounds of flak per minute.....Not to mention that there are flak from the escort ships as well in this scene.
The cool looking black clouds all around the planes you see in photos are from proximity fuzes which were a technology the Japanese never had during the war.
It's a Hollywood movie , of course they make it dramatic with background music . In reality it would have been hell diving fullspeed with ijn ships firing at you no matter how poor there flak maybe. Pilots who dived bombed must have balls of titanium
2:38 the original scene didnt have this strong recoil sound for the japanese AA gun, i just added it from battlefield 5's American 40mm AA gun, it sounds so much cooler thats why i added it lol, and i just made it so it would sync with the barrel of the aa gun firing with the sound effect
Contrary to movies. A near miss would make planes and men bounce around on deck..And rattle the ship sideways. The last part was epic. They learn about the Thatch Weave. Where two planes can defend each other against lots of fighters..They used it the rest of the war..
They didn't know about the Thatch Weave at that time, Thatch had just invented it and hadn't taught it anyone except a few of his fighter pilots. The dive bombers defended themselves with their rear guns.
The Thatch weave was actually used literally right before the dive bombers appeared over the fleet. It wasn't shown in the movie, but the actual reason why the air patrols were not in the skies was because of Thatch's squadron
The rear seat was a short seat with a deep part for a parachute surrounded by padding. This seat could be turned to face forward or to the rear, even though he sat in the ring that the 2 x .30 cal guns were mounted on he could swivel the seat and use the radio and nav instruments. The gunner even had a stick and pedals and could fly in an emergency, all while sitting in the ring.
Unlike the US, the IJN did not have the advantage of proximity fuses (which made a massive difference), and hitting a fast-moving target from a moving ship is difficult. As Apooyo reports, all three SBDs survived.
It was not available at Midway, you are correct. But it was in small-scale production from early '43, and large-scale production from late '43. Amazing bit of kit.@@VersusARCH
Nope cod vanguarad Midway mission is absolutely garbage version one, they absolutely created 100% master flop version of that battle, especially with the US torpedoe bombers going with the dive bombers at 15-20K feet on the air, like bruh, plus on that version the dive bombers come under japanase attack of zero, no no absolutely wrong, the dive bombers come completely unopposed on the battle on perfect moment too, when the IJN cap was focus and busy dealing with the torpedo bombers, or just like it happened pretty much all of them were on the decks refueling and re arm since they have been flying since early morrning and shoot non stop ike mate on the 1976 version they don't show any torpedo bombers of the US forces delay the IJN forces from launch their attacks, plus for that movie they used Essex-class carrier for the japanese... bruh. For me the only version that is successfull on recreate that battls is this movie, even it has a lot of big mistakes, it's still well done and great too.
And as good as the 1976 movie is (I AM NOT SAYING IT'S NOT) did not have access to some information that 2019 Midway did. (I.e. Still classified in 1976.)
A question...if you try to go for realism and not go a bit overboard...how would you do this scene. Its because of Akagi had managed to escape unscathed...American losses probably would have been indeed higher or they might have lost the battle at all.
well yes of the Akagi air crew group was one of the deadliest force of the kido butai, especially the torpedo bombers one, and keep in mind the US carriers of 1942 did not have anti torpedo bulge blister protection, so yeah that would have kill 100% any carrier if hit successfully. This is why USS Enteprise CV-6 during her mid war 1943 refit, she was given that badly need protection, alongside larger numbers of much much better AA then she ever had before. And keep in mind this, US manage to hit 2 carriers out of 4 in 3 minutes, they still have 3, but they launched everything they had, and the 3 carrier would have been hit soon too, leaving 1 fleet carrier vs 3. Still it's even crazy to think US could fail there, but yeah it's very damm close, u do not want the japanese to win knowing how EVIl they were back then on ww2 so ty go US win that damm BATTLE! 1 fleet carrier lost, vs 4 fleet carriers, 1 heavy cruiser, 3k people, including 250 best pilots too, all well done by the US, which give them so much time for their military production of new Essex-class fleet carrier to kick on by late 1942, early 1943. And by 1944 US had the most largest powerfull fleet on the world, alongside advanced technology both on ships and especially PLANES, hellcat is perfect plane for the US. Japan never achieve a new generation and stick witht the zero which was obsolete by early 1943 and 1944 too. But yeah ty god Dick Best manage to land his bomb amidship otherwise it would have been brutal for the US forces to win that battle.
@@loonowolf2160 actually what I was trying to ask is if you were to write the scene, how would you portray the scene. I know a lot of people rightfully question the huge anti-aircraft barrage considering Japanese warships didn't really carry that many anti-aircraft weapons and they usually don't space their ships close for mutual anti-aircraft protection. I think one of the ideas is to show the Akagi bridge and the crew screaming to take evasive action and to the bombers targeting her that despite her huge size, she was maneuvering well. (nervous shrug).
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I added a bunch sound effects here aswell:)
nice
Agreed on AA. Plus they’re diving at about 30mph. US naval dove bombing after started at 15k-20k ft and took less than a minute. They were dropping at over 300ft per second with the surface zooming towards them. It must’ve looked terrifying. I’m sure the extra AA what’s the demonstrate how scary the whole experience was, and the courage that it took to do the job. It might have been nice to see a realistic descent and if the radioman called out altitude how alarmingly fast the numbers would tick by.
They still did a great job.
A literal hell dive, fast,hard and over in a mere moment. I can’t imagine it
But still that how it happened on the battle too, he pull out of his dive after realising kaga was doomed so u know.
@@loonowolf2160 he pulled out of his initial dive on Kaga when he saw both squadrons diving on her. He tried to call off all of VB-6 but only his 2 wingmen saw his signal. At that point, Kaga was still unscathed.
I knew Dick Best the last few years of his life. Great guy.
If he wasn't a World War 2 war hero, I think his name could have made an amazing name for a porn star. However, I like how everyone sidestepped that name due to his legacy.
What was he like? What did he say?
@@johnross456 a great gentleman. He could quote much of Shakespeare by heart. Very confident leader, but not the cockiness of the movie. And a tidbit for you, Best was convinced he contracted TB from the Navy hospital, NOT from the breathing in of caustic gas.
@andyspurlock5957 woah! Thank you, this is awesome. I thought the idea was the caustic soda messed up his lungs, which more enabled TB (likely caught from the hospital) to take hold. In any case, dude was awesome!! Feel free to share anything else you come up with lol.
@@johnross456 being a career Navy man, he just didn’t want to blame a Navy hospital. Another tidbit, he was head of security for the Rand Corporation during the theft of the Pentagon Papers. He hated that corporate job.
I really wish they would’ve have reduced the number of flak bursts in this scene. This is USN 44’ level of AA, not IJN 42’ level. Like we literally have photos from Eastern Solomon’s showing how garbage IJN AA is.
Well, according to the armament the Akagi had, they could fire around 3000 rounds of flak per minute.....Not to mention that there are flak from the escort ships as well in this scene.
Objection, rule of cool.
The cool looking black clouds all around the planes you see in photos are from proximity fuzes which were a technology the Japanese never had during the war.
It's a movie bruh. Gotta make it dramatic
It's a Hollywood movie , of course they make it dramatic with background music . In reality it would have been hell diving fullspeed with ijn ships firing at you no matter how poor there flak maybe. Pilots who dived bombed must have balls of titanium
The added sound effects make it sound more realistic. Excellent work you fell even more like you are there with the distant pops of flak.
Omg, thank you so much!!
I didnt know that you noticed it!! The audios are from Battlefield 5 American 40mm AA Gun
2:38 the original scene didnt have this strong recoil sound for the japanese AA gun, i just added it from battlefield 5's American 40mm AA gun, it sounds so much cooler thats why i added it lol, and i just made it so it would sync with the barrel of the aa gun firing with the sound effect
@@albay543I think you did a good job, it’s well edited.
Contrary to movies. A near miss would make planes and men bounce around on deck..And rattle the ship sideways.
The last part was epic. They learn about the Thatch Weave. Where two planes can defend each other against lots of fighters..They used it the rest of the war..
Yup, damaging near misses
They didn't know about the Thatch Weave at that time, Thatch had just invented it and hadn't taught it anyone except a few of his fighter pilots. The dive bombers defended themselves with their rear guns.
@@tobyalder42 What did I just post? They learned about It..Hence the use of the English word "learned" Not Knew about it at the time..
@@WizzRacing they didn't know and they (dive bombers) didn't learn about it at the time of Midway
The Thatch weave was actually used literally right before the dive bombers appeared over the fleet.
It wasn't shown in the movie, but the actual reason why the air patrols were not in the skies was because of Thatch's squadron
Bro these Japanese soldiers have aim of a gold fish
US lost 250 planes on that day.
Thats not something a gold fish can achieve.
@@albertB215 I’m talking about the movie bruv. In the movie they suck at aiming I’m not talking about in real life
Damn. Japan's biggests naval strategic defeat after the battle of hansan in 1592
Could a Dauntless rearseater turn his seat around?
Weren't they always looking aft?
The rear seat was a short seat with a deep part for a parachute surrounded by padding. This seat could be turned to face forward or to the rear, even though he sat in the ring that the 2 x .30 cal guns were mounted on he could swivel the seat and use the radio and nav instruments. The gunner even had a stick and pedals and could fly in an emergency, all while sitting in the ring.
@@johnhoney7903 Interesting
wtf these planes would die 10 times in real life with this AA
Its a movie man
All three SBDs survived miraculously
Unlike the US, the IJN did not have the advantage of proximity fuses (which made a massive difference), and hitting a fast-moving target from a moving ship is difficult. As Apooyo reports, all three SBDs survived.
@@alfnoakes392Proximity fuse appeared only in 1944.
It was not available at Midway, you are correct. But it was in small-scale production from early '43, and large-scale production from late '43. Amazing bit of kit.@@VersusARCH
When the plane's wing hit the water it would have spun into the sea.
Dick Best was so badass. The actor here has resemblance with Cillian Murphy. Both real mf's!
Ironically they used this as a basis for “COD Vanguard” but movies wise I’ll take the 1976 movie of the same name.
Nope cod vanguarad Midway mission is absolutely garbage version one, they absolutely created 100% master flop version of that battle, especially with the US torpedoe bombers going with the dive bombers at 15-20K feet on the air, like bruh, plus on that version the dive bombers come under japanase attack of zero, no no absolutely wrong, the dive bombers come completely unopposed on the battle on perfect moment too, when the IJN cap was focus and busy dealing with the torpedo bombers, or just like it happened pretty much all of them were on the decks refueling and re arm since they have been flying since early morrning and shoot non stop
ike mate on the 1976 version they don't show any torpedo bombers of the US forces delay the IJN forces from launch their attacks, plus for that movie they used Essex-class carrier for the japanese... bruh. For me the only version that is successfull on recreate that battls is this movie, even it has a lot of big mistakes, it's still well done and great too.
And as good as the 1976 movie is (I AM NOT SAYING IT'S NOT) did not have access to some information that 2019 Midway did. (I.e. Still classified in 1976.)
nice
Thanks
A question...if you try to go for realism and not go a bit overboard...how would you do this scene. Its because of Akagi had managed to escape unscathed...American losses probably would have been indeed higher or they might have lost the battle at all.
well yes of the Akagi air crew group was one of the deadliest force of the kido butai, especially the torpedo bombers one, and keep in mind the US carriers of 1942 did not have anti torpedo bulge blister protection, so yeah that would have kill 100% any carrier if hit successfully. This is why USS Enteprise CV-6 during her mid war 1943 refit, she was given that badly need protection, alongside larger numbers of much much better AA then she ever had before.
And keep in mind this, US manage to hit 2 carriers out of 4 in 3 minutes, they still have 3, but they launched everything they had, and the 3 carrier would have been hit soon too, leaving 1 fleet carrier vs 3. Still it's even crazy to think US could fail there, but yeah it's very damm close, u do not want the japanese to win knowing how EVIl they were back then on ww2 so ty go US win that damm BATTLE! 1 fleet carrier lost, vs 4 fleet carriers, 1 heavy cruiser, 3k people, including 250 best pilots too, all well done by the US, which give them so much time for their military production of new Essex-class fleet carrier to kick on by late 1942, early 1943. And by 1944 US had the most largest powerfull fleet on the world, alongside advanced technology both on ships and especially PLANES, hellcat is perfect plane for the US. Japan never achieve a new generation and stick witht the zero which was obsolete by early 1943 and 1944 too.
But yeah ty god Dick Best manage to land his bomb amidship otherwise it would have been brutal for the US forces to win that battle.
@@loonowolf2160 Yeah and to add to that everytime in 1942 a US carrier got an aerial torpedo...often it would not survive.
@@loonowolf2160 actually what I was trying to ask is if you were to write the scene, how would you portray the scene. I know a lot of people rightfully question the huge anti-aircraft barrage considering Japanese warships didn't really carry that many anti-aircraft weapons and they usually don't space their ships close for mutual anti-aircraft protection. I think one of the ideas is to show the Akagi bridge and the crew screaming to take evasive action and to the bombers targeting her that despite her huge size, she was maneuvering well. (nervous shrug).
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Its Also Unrealistic how Dickbest Delo bomb on Carrier Its immposible to survive
Still that the exact same spot that carrier was hit anyway, i'll take it
@@loonowolf2160 ye in Real He hit at same spot but Without So Much Flaks In movie they give More Flaks and Explosions to be more cool
speaking hari kari midway ww2
this is very unsafe
Wow no shit