Army: we're gonna focus on shooting. That's what we do here. We hit targets. Marines: Day 7, still in bush. Found snake. Killed snake. Named snake Ronnie. Going to miss Ronnie.
As a marine vet… this is true. We had a scorpion named “rhino” during our deployment in Iraq. Had him fight the local camel spiders. He finally met his match against a big camel spider. RIP Rhino 🙏
Have you not heard of carlos hathcock? The white feather. He literaly crawled along the jungle floor for entire days. Moving inches a day to get the perfect shot on his targets.
Basically the Marine Snipers are meant for long recon ops separated from conventional infantry and support, the army snipers focus on actively assisting troops in combat
It basically lays it out in the name. Marines Recon/Scout Sniper. They are scouts and a recon element. Army snipers are essentially marksman who tie directly in with fireteams/squads on the battlefield and operate on the front lines. Marine Snipers: behind enemy lines collecting intel. Army Snipers: chilling on rooftop on the front lines standing next to a SAW gunner.
@@professionalschizo well he is still not really wrong, . Army snipers will also be in direct action acting as "guardian angels" over advancing troops. As far as it was when i was in the marines scout snipers would not do this they would be forward observers. if marine direct action units needed marksman cover or "guardian angel" we would use our own DM's not scout snipers. Sometime (as you saw in the movie American sniper) we would have SF snipers covering us but that was kinda a rare occasion. That is not to say that army snipers would also be attached to scout missions and do what a marine scout sniper does. Though i think it was just recently 2018 army redid there entire sniper program to focus 4B's and change there role significantly. Just my 2 cent operated with army, seals, recon, and hell freaking CIA were there for a bit and that is how they were running in 2006ish time
@@professionalschizo Well i mean in 2018 the army command redid there entire army sniper training program to focus more on supporting the main element one of there missions being "turning the army sniper into a human sensor" to relay back information but other missions being area denial aka to cover advancing troops flanks. so yea as we are all saying yes army snipers do scouting missions that is one of there missions sets but they also do other things, for the most part marine scout snipers missions is to do deep long term scouting missions where they are cut off from support. This is why there program is 15 weeks as apposed to 5 i think for the army program because they are learning escape and evade, survival as well as shooting. no one is saying your wrong and that army snipers do not also scout ahead it just more prominent in marine scout snipers as it is pretty much there only mission. And i was just saying my time in and some buddies that are still in we have never ever had a marine scout sniper team in overwatch while we advanced. we had a seal team in overwatch and i have seen army sniper teams overwatching there guys but if we needed over watch we had our own marksman that did it. not scout snipers.
I knew an Army sniper and a Marine sniper in the National Guard. They were buddies and got along quite well. They told me that after long discussion they agreed Marine Sniper training was the best. However, the Marines figured you were "one and done" after the training and rarely, if ever, did follow on training. Army snipers did lots of follow on training so the training they had - which was still very good - tended to stay fresh.
While I was not a sniper, I knew a few - of course this was many years ago. Watching the video, I was immediately like, "yeah, that's definitely not the whole story." On the subject of cross-pollination, I didn't have a Sergeant Airborne for jump school at Benning. I had a _Gunney_ Airborne.
In the mid 90's it was like that. Marine Corps was always last for resources, and with all of Clintons budget cuts, they couldn't afford much of follow-on, or even enough ammo.
Don't know how they concluded that marine sniper course was better considering the Army beats marines every single time in the international sniper competition! Shiiit they get beaten by coast guard and Air Force snipers!
This video isnt actually true though. Ryan McBeth made a great video going deeper into it. The Army's sniper school doesn't focus on marksmanship. Shooting isnt the priority actually, its resiliency and tactics related to being a sniper more than just shooting.
@@AfricanLionBatYeah marksmanship as a sniper is like punching power for a boxer: sure its great and it helps, but thats not even close to the whole picture.
@@imlimbless14That just isn’t true though. Our joke is that the hardest part of being a marine is convincing everyone how difficult being a marine is, because it is lmao. Tell me, why is it that when we have marines who transfer over to the army, to include marine corps NCO’s who transfer, clearly not shit bag marines, why do they perform the same as us and not better? Realistically it’s because there’s super stars in both branches, and shit birds in both branches, and organizational training more or less clears out the gaps in initial entry training of the branches. Different mission.
This is the most accurate explanation of the differences between the two that I’ve seen in a RUclips video. The Army frequently out shoots us in direct shooting competitions between our Snipers. Like you said. The Marine Scout Snipers prioritize the Scout part, and will go on long independent missions often without a direct line of support.
Also how the army is in general. SF Rangers and others go through sniper school so the redundent selection is out. Not every recon needs to be sniper certified and not every sniper needs to be recon certified
@@Subliminalsapper Just because they prioritize the “Scout” aspects doesn’t mean they don’t practice shooting a whole lot. I’m not a scout sniper by the way. I went through the Indoc for it, but then quit. Literally the hardest thing I ever did, and I don’t think I was cut out to be like that. That’s as good of an answer I can give you.
Actually it's the national guard that beats everyone and frequently doesn't even describe it. That reason is bigger pool of shooters. This whole video is complete bs
So if it wasn’t just shooting based and it was based on an actual combat scenario focused on everything not just shooting marines would win a majority of the time.
Smart and tough. Semper fi. Green berets are a joke. Try recon thats for real soldiers. Stealth they don’t know we are there till we want them to know.
Great video! This just randomly came up as I was scrolling, but some of the marine course footage was shot by myself and a few others during for our final video project in AIT almost three years ago. Super dope to see it being used.
When I was younger I used to go to an arcade in Daytona Beach . Two of the attendants that worked there one served as a marine and the other in the Navy. One day they came out of the head together. Marine said they taught us to wash our hands after take a piss . Navy guy responded they taught us in the Navy not to piss on ourselves. I almost pissed myself laughing 😂😂😂... Always loved the bantering between the two of them quite entertaining. In times of war they all become unified and our brothers-in-arms all serve their deadly purpose with precision.
@@adlibconstitution1609 are you insane? Marines are shock troops. In air on land and sea. Marines have been the premier recon and ground force that takes the AO so the army can hold it.
LRS (Long Range Surveillance) was once a Division level asset (1 detachment per). Once that dissolved, LRS was all pushed to Corp level. LRS and Force Recon share a very similar mission set. Most Divisions maintain a Scout Platoon within each Brigade, and Designated Marksman (DM) within each Infantry Platoon. The Army definitely separates Recon/Scouting and Sniping/precision marksmanship...but the Marine Corps has a little separation there as well, until you talk about Force Recon Snipers. Also, the worst Marine paper pusher, is usually a good shot. Basic marksmanship is taken a little more serious in the Corp. Can't compare an apple to an orange. One makes great orange juice, and one is better for apple pie.
Marines are meant to be tenacious and independent. They have to be able to keep themselves alive alone for extended periods sometimes, specifically scouts. Army snipers work like the rest of the army, keep up numbers and lethality. They function in groups with support. All that matters is that they hit shots and fall in line, relatively speaking.
@@jacksonanna2880 as marine if you ever seen army March you would find it funny too. They are rarely ever in line 😂 I got to watch plenty of army boots marching while I was back at my schoolhouse. That shit was horrendous.
“Marines are Tenacious and independent while the army needs support” lmao ok.. At the end of the day if you take the best from each branch, army takes the cake and its not even close… not only from a # of deployments perspective, of which marines usually have zero lol.. but the best of the marines.. yea maybe some could make it in 75th or some in green berets, none in delta lol.
@@billbillson5082 ummm... what?? lol you are either a civ or like a cook. green beenies, seals, dev group, and yes even delta, hell ground branch will even tell you they usually like having raiders along there is just something different about them. But # of deployments done mean shit and historically marines will have more #'s sine our deployments are shorter. I had 3 in a 4 year enlistment. That all beaning said you act as if delta guys are some super humans so you definally have never met one there just very fit very experienced and very smart dudes but at the end of the day there still just dudes. lol
Whats interesting is the differences also in each branches spec ops unit Seals do various snatch and grabs and can deploy from sea aswell as other short term missions. while delta tends to do more long term. Like. Real long term. They were inserted in south america a long time ago and worked with the Cia dealing with the KGB. Iv heard many of their missions are about destabilizatition and bringing down large hostile groups that have control of even regions
From the aspect of an Aussie, great big respects to Murican troops, army or marines. In general all hostile defensive personnel, you're all tough nutters. You all deserve a cookie! And more!
Marine snipers will sit on a hillside for weeks waiting for the target. Army snipers hit him where he is right now. In either case he's got the most expensive ammo in the squad.
@@kristopherhilton8065 which is pretty useless if you don't have a target position to fire at. Our you do it the Ukrainian way, fire Flechette at "who it may concern"
@@Chadius_Thundercock Thank you, that is well know to me. The point is, the Marine corps also has dedicated scout and recon teams. I.E Marine recon and LAR (light armored reconnaissance for those that might not know). The fact that out snipers go above and beyond is just icing on the cake. Also, if you ever meet em they’re very cool, humble dudes because personality is a big factor.
@@gGc0705 above and beyond? Give me a break, you guys have so few deployments its not even funny. Marines likes seals are great at blowing their own horn, you guys shouldered a small fraction of the effort in the wars. The pogs in the army saw more combat than the marines did
Marines dont have scout snipers anymore 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Also too different roles. Army scout snipers usually provide over watch for infantry. Hence why they need to be more accurate.
Doing more with less. Making snipers double as scouts opens the opportunity of taking our high value targets or reeking havoc behind enemy lines. Look up GYSGT Carlos hathcock
The Marines understand and value snipers. The Army does not and never has. I say this as an Army vet, 1st Special Forces Gp, Okinawa. I love the Army, I respect the Marine Corps.
This kind of made it look like Army isn’t as good as Marines but the mission is so different and both have strengths and weaknesses. Personally being prior service I respect the hell out of both and thankful they are on OUR side. 🇺🇸
For meat heads who need it simplified even further, let me put it in video game language: Marines are like the sniper elite games Long missions alone and isolated. Army snipers are like the snipers you play in multi-player games They go in Do the shooting And get out Simplified it even more for you.
I'm in an army scout platoon split between snipers and recon. It's the snipers job to shoot and it's my job as recon to do the long reconnaissance work. It sounds as if the Marines have just combined the two roles into one job.
Good info here! This is why we have different branches of military...so we can cover a lot of different tactical needs. Thanks to our devoted servicemen!
My boyfriend was a marine sniper and because he won’t talk about his experiences I find myself on RUclips trying to get a sense of what he went through….. tough man I’ll say that. Marines are a different breed
It takes a few seconds of watching to count as a view so at the start of a video all the people that liked instantly will technically not have their view counted yet so that’s why that happens
That's because the Army is big enough to have separate scouts and don't need to use snipers to scout. That's also why Marines call their marksman Scout Sniper instead of just sniper.
Exactly and they don't waste resources on medics or global transportation they let the Navy do that for them but the Marines have rotary and fixed wing attack aircraft
Don’t believe this video, Army snipers’ primary mission is collection and reporting of battlefield information. We absolutely put reconnaissance above “shooting.”
3 week screener course but casually leaves out the Army pre-sniper course that one must pass before they qualified for the sniper course. The REAL reason why the sniper course is 7 weeks not 5 is because 1. Army snipers are used as a force multiplier on the battlefield, and 2. We have entire MOS such as 19D which fill up the role of scout snipers and units that emphasized on reconnaissance like the pathfinder and LRSU with sniper course graduates which makes them an expert of both.
I love navigation, as a 19 year old I can hop in most games and take 1 look at the map and just understand where I'm at and don't have to look agian. Larger maps are even more fun to navigate my friends across. I'm always the map guy in minecraft and I make sure everyone has a big universal world map for the survival playthrough.
@@lancegardner8560 from what I understand it’s less snipers sniping shit and more snipers reconnaissance and info gathering/dissemination. The restructuring of the scouts has the idea of supporting that. The Marines have been modernizing and restructuring for quite some time in anticipation of conflict with China. Ie. getting rid of heavy armor, restructuring infantry, using HIMARS in place of conventional artillery, etc. These decisions are made with the thought that we will be a more adaptive, informed, and independent fighting force. Whether or not these decisions are the right ones or if they’ll even work? Now that’s a bit above my pay grade 😂
@Amish Supreme still stupid. Who the hell would join the military to be a sniper that don't shoot shit? I qualified and still didn't want to, knowing the conditions. Fuck was I gonna do it just to do recon? Fuck that, I'm at least gonna get my hands bloody.
@@tboxcupcakes I’ve seen Rangers at SOTIC (SF Sniper). It’s not common but it’s been done. There are multiple SF run schools that allow other branches and MOSs dependent on slot availability. CDQC (Combat Dive School), HALO School are two of them off the top of my head. I will admit my knowledge is out of date and I had a LOT of head injuries before I retired in 2015.
@@sambaggins2798 I remember when they changed it from Special Forces Target Interdiction Course to Special Operations Target Interdiction Course. People used to get a kick out of getting orders to "soft dick". There is also Long Range Target Interdiction Course, taught by the same JFK Cadre for non-US and other folks that may not be in a SF slot. Still a B4 course.
The Marines are better on their own (small group or alone) especially over long periods where as the Army can choose better Marksman because they have a larger accessible support and don't get secluded nearly as often or as long as Marine snipers
WHAT??? These guys can't be serious! Why do y'all think that so many different people are getting to America illegally? If you guys are from Somilia, Siberia, Xie Xie, China, Argentina, Ukraine or somewhere like that; then I can see some singing that Sunday evening song they sang on the t.v. show Hee Haw, "Gloom, despair, and Agony!" (This was before you younglings came along). But under the Stars and Stripes? C'mon man! No cohort of Americans or any other nation EVER had it better with so much going wrong. Enjoy what you can while you can. ☻❤👌
That was one man's opinion, and with respect I hold a different opinion. When you're looking at candidates for the position of sniper, you look at your very best men (or women: Russian female snipers were notoriously deadly in WWII.) A sniper and sniper/spotter teams must be capable of operating alone, often for extended periods, away from all support. They operate under great mental, emotional, and physical stress. Takes a special kind of person, a special kind of dedication. A lot of troops can hit a target at great range, few have what it takes to be a sniper.
@@pauljnolan1000 your preaching to the choir my guy. I know from personal experience about this course and what it takes to go through it, I also know that women can be just as deadly as men. In the Corps they teach us history of warfare here and abroad I was just stating that this post wasn't saying everything that we go through especially the not so wonderful things it takes to pass this course. And everyone in every branch feels they have the better course but in fact it's what you learn and take away from each course/instructor that make a Scout Sniper great not what branch you take it in.
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I love it when civilians who never served try to make it seem like one branch is better than the other makes you look really smart especially when you realize that the United States Army has won more international sniper competitions than any other branch…..
You ppl are amazing! Everyone always has something to say about the Army. Where does the USMC sniper teams place at the International Best Sniper Competition? It’s not first place there’s been a few years you guy’s haven’t even placed top 3. Talk about that.
Well the army mainly and or only sends infantrymen to sniper school while having a different mos for reconnaissance but the marines probably only have infantrymen to send so taking the sniper course transitions them into a scouting element in order to do the longer surveillance missions instead of kicking down doors.
Yep. Army snipers were already in a scout observer role in a recon Plt and didn’t need to go through more scout training. I won’t even comment on the disinformation of marines being smarter or tougher. But I will say they were very real about it.
@@professionalschizo Did it hurt? Well Oki and Australia. Brag? Not really is just another job. What let me guess you deploy to the sandbox? I guess Im unlucky its in peace times.
I’ve seen some Marines who were much smarter than members from other branches. In fact I work with a guy who was in the Air Force and he’s lost in the sauce. This crap about the other branches being smarter than the Marines is total BS. Don’t believe it!!
It shows too considering the Marines lose every interservice and international marksmanship competitions and haven't won a sniper competition in decades. Plus, unlike the Marines, the army snipers do ongoing and continuous training for the skill set well after the school is complete.
I found out when I was in the army 1981 Aberdeen Maryland taking Advanced individual training the Marines trained near us I realize that they are more specialized Troopers they had tougher training than we did but we'd beat them and everybody else in tug-of-war we were undefeated if anybody that was there reads this please leave a comment I was the Anchorman they call me tank even the marine guys
When I was assigned to work out at Stone Bay where Weapons Training Battalion was at Lejeune in the late 90s & the Army sent a soldier to the Sniper School there. He ended as the top graduate. They were all about concealment there. During the course they learned to make their gully suits. They even had to practice drawing to identify features for missions. So much stuff I wish I’d taken the time to learn and focus on out there but I was on my last year, and I was ready to get out.
Army has separate schools for long range reconnaissance. Army also have a occupational speciality that focuses on scouting. There's also scout platoons for combat arms battalions and scouting units whose sole focuse is scouting. The sniper is a force multiplier that is added to Army infantry formations. The Marine scout/sniper role is performed by specialized Ranger elements AKA LRRPS. There's also long range surveillance units but their focus is on scouting and being undetected.
Bruh…we both have the same mission set and Army sniper is seven weeks long. Many of us have had to screen with a sniper platoon and go through a pre-sniper training regimen. After basic sniper we attend higher level courses like high angle, advanced sniper, SFSC (SOTIC), and a multitude of civilian advanced courses. Scout sniper primarily focuses on training entry level snipers and acts as the single gateway for their respective MOS. Army sniper primarily focuses its efforts as a battlefield enhancement for ground force commanders. Though both services produce world class snipers, the Army (doctrinally speaking) propagates and perpetuates more battlefield autonomy and cross training than scout sniper does (USMC snipers are strictly limited by fundamental flaws in doctrine, not training.)
“The most obvious difference is that the marines are better.” And also last time I checked those 12 weeks make those marines the best branch in the US so why tall jokin on them? And what’s wrong with me devouring crayons for free?
Army sniper school is 7 weeks long, though they are currently debating on making it 5 weeks, but it hasn't happened yet. And your main focus is becoming an expert with the weapon system, and field craft. However, army sniper sections(for all but striker units) are attached to scout platoons. So a large majority of their training outside of sniper school will be focused on a reconnaissance mission set.
Army: we're gonna focus on shooting. That's what we do here. We hit targets.
Marines: Day 7, still in bush. Found snake. Killed snake. Named snake Ronnie. Going to miss Ronnie.
🤣🤣🤣
As a marine vet… this is true. We had a scorpion named “rhino” during our deployment in Iraq. Had him fight the local camel spiders. He finally met his match against a big camel spider. RIP Rhino 🙏
Have you not heard of carlos hathcock? The white feather. He literaly crawled along the jungle floor for entire days. Moving inches a day to get the perfect shot on his targets.
Drawing Ronnie with crayons. Kind hard to draw on rocks.
@@somehoes2437 he didn't eat a grenade, a Soviet sniper shot his lower jaw almost completly off, and once he had recovered the winter war was over.
Basically the Marine Snipers are meant for long recon ops separated from conventional infantry and support, the army snipers focus on actively assisting troops in combat
It basically lays it out in the name. Marines Recon/Scout Sniper. They are scouts and a recon element. Army snipers are essentially marksman who tie directly in with fireteams/squads on the battlefield and operate on the front lines.
Marine Snipers: behind enemy lines collecting intel.
Army Snipers: chilling on rooftop on the front lines standing next to a SAW gunner.
@@professionalschizo actually you’re both right.
Marine has scout snipers
Army has snipers AND scouts
@@professionalschizo well he is still not really wrong, . Army snipers will also be in direct action acting as "guardian angels" over advancing troops. As far as it was when i was in the marines scout snipers would not do this they would be forward observers. if marine direct action units needed marksman cover or "guardian angel" we would use our own DM's not scout snipers. Sometime (as you saw in the movie American sniper) we would have SF snipers covering us but that was kinda a rare occasion.
That is not to say that army snipers would also be attached to scout missions and do what a marine scout sniper does. Though i think it was just recently 2018 army redid there entire sniper program to focus 4B's and change there role significantly.
Just my 2 cent operated with army, seals, recon, and hell freaking CIA were there for a bit and that is how they were running in 2006ish time
@@professionalschizo Well i mean in 2018 the army command redid there entire army sniper training program to focus more on supporting the main element one of there missions being "turning the army sniper into a human sensor" to relay back information but other missions being area denial aka to cover advancing troops flanks. so yea as we are all saying yes army snipers do scouting missions that is one of there missions sets but they also do other things, for the most part marine scout snipers missions is to do deep long term scouting missions where they are cut off from support. This is why there program is 15 weeks as apposed to 5 i think for the army program because they are learning escape and evade, survival as well as shooting.
no one is saying your wrong and that army snipers do not also scout ahead it just more prominent in marine scout snipers as it is pretty much there only mission.
And i was just saying my time in and some buddies that are still in we have never ever had a marine scout sniper team in overwatch while we advanced. we had a seal team in overwatch and i have seen army sniper teams overwatching there guys but if we needed over watch we had our own marksman that did it. not scout snipers.
Army snipers, as in actual Bravo 4 qualified snipers, are a battalion asset in the recon platoon.
These cgi models are going to haunt my nightmares for the rest of my life
Ah yes, the sentence I was looking for, thank you.
Moon landing is CGI they said
For all the Marines here in the comments, I'll just leave this for a good laugh.
Gunny: "Look here Marine"
Uncanny valley
Wtf why
I knew an Army sniper and a Marine sniper in the National Guard. They were buddies and got along quite well. They told me that after long discussion they agreed Marine Sniper training was the best. However, the Marines figured you were "one and done" after the training and rarely, if ever, did follow on training. Army snipers did lots of follow on training so the training they had - which was still very good - tended to stay fresh.
While I was not a sniper, I knew a few - of course this was many years ago. Watching the video, I was immediately like, "yeah, that's definitely not the whole story."
On the subject of cross-pollination, I didn't have a Sergeant Airborne for jump school at Benning. I had a _Gunney_ Airborne.
In the mid 90's it was like that. Marine Corps was always last for resources, and with all of Clintons budget cuts, they couldn't afford much of follow-on, or even enough ammo.
@joshuabressel1280...not a GAWD DAMN THING wrong with that, now is there BUTTERCUP!!!
@@MarcillaSmith.....sure you did......Bahahahahahaha Bahahahahahaha Bahahahahahaha!!!!
Don't know how they concluded that marine sniper course was better considering the Army beats marines every single time in the international sniper competition! Shiiit they get beaten by coast guard and Air Force snipers!
There is always that back and forth of which branch is better. They don’t realize that each branch has their own mission
This video isnt actually true though. Ryan McBeth made a great video going deeper into it. The Army's sniper school doesn't focus on marksmanship. Shooting isnt the priority actually, its resiliency and tactics related to being a sniper more than just shooting.
@@AfricanLionBatYeah marksmanship as a sniper is like punching power for a boxer: sure its great and it helps, but thats not even close to the whole picture.
But the marines are better at what they do and are far more savage
@@imlimbless14army has better spec ops
@@imlimbless14That just isn’t true though. Our joke is that the hardest part of being a marine is convincing everyone how difficult being a marine is, because it is lmao. Tell me, why is it that when we have marines who transfer over to the army, to include marine corps NCO’s who transfer, clearly not shit bag marines, why do they perform the same as us and not better? Realistically it’s because there’s super stars in both branches, and shit birds in both branches, and organizational training more or less clears out the gaps in initial entry training of the branches. Different mission.
The schools are more different because in a conventional war the two branches have distinct roles.
Marines last longer without logistics
@@serene_actual 🤣😂 naw
@@serene_actual the army has more heavy equipment
@@flight2k5 Its true though, MEFs (marine expeditionary forces) are designed to last longer than army units so they can await for bigger forces.
Marines do tougher jobs
Navy : *Sniping with Tomahawk Missiles*
Air force : Sniper ? what kinda Stone age tools is that ?
A10 warthog go brrrrrrt.
So do them drones.
Air Force just calls army to do it or they just use they’re drones
Air force sniping with an F-16
Spaceforce: **Rods from God**
Air boys prob snipe with that ginsu lol
This is the most accurate explanation of the differences between the two that I’ve seen in a RUclips video.
The Army frequently out shoots us in direct shooting competitions between our Snipers.
Like you said. The Marine Scout Snipers prioritize the Scout part, and will go on long independent missions often without a direct line of support.
Also how the army is in general. SF Rangers and others go through sniper school so the redundent selection is out. Not every recon needs to be sniper certified and not every sniper needs to be recon certified
@@Subliminalsapper Just because they prioritize the “Scout” aspects doesn’t mean they don’t practice shooting a whole lot.
I’m not a scout sniper by the way. I went through the Indoc for it, but then quit. Literally the hardest thing I ever did, and I don’t think I was cut out to be like that.
That’s as good of an answer I can give you.
Actually it's the national guard that beats everyone and frequently doesn't even describe it. That reason is bigger pool of shooters. This whole video is complete bs
So if it wasn’t just shooting based and it was based on an actual combat scenario focused on everything not just shooting marines would win a majority of the time.
@@mintz9782 yea they win at marketing lol
The first 7 weeks of the marine corps training is teaching them to read
😅 reading is overrated.
Yep, and the first 7 weeks of Army bootcamp is losing weight
Jealous much?😅
Smart and tough. Semper fi. Green berets are a joke. Try recon thats for real soldiers. Stealth they don’t know we are there till we want them to know.
@@terryfox5666 abcdefghijklmnopwrsfuvwxyz
Great video! This just randomly came up as I was scrolling, but some of the marine course footage was shot by myself and a few others during for our final video project in AIT almost three years ago. Super dope to see it being used.
Nice. Hope you have a badass nickname like 'reaper' or 'ghost'.
He was filming for a project in his MOS training, his nickname is probably cameraman.
imagine trying to snipe from a moving boat lmao
Where algebra comes in
Even worse, imagine trying to snipe from a flying helicopter. They do.
@@wallymcguire2033 exactly, it’s mind boggling lol
Imaging trying to snipe in a motorcycle doing flips. That's what indians do
Cod black ops 2
11 of those weeks are spent figuring out what color crayons they’ll be taking for snacks.
(edited), huh? Have a hard time getting that thought out didya, Soldier?🤣🖍
@@DSB831 of course you have your crayon with you
Hahaha. You know color blind snipers have one big advantage. They aren't fooled by camouflage colors. They notice patterns that don't fit. BANG!
Look at the jealous little child who knows he couldn't make the cut so he didn't bother to try and us salty over it.
Lol
was waiting to see some salty army guy in the comments
I call cap! Those extra weeks are for Marine advanced crayon eating classes.
So the marines are dumb & the army snipers are smart
I miss those days, red crayons 🖍️ are my favorite 😂
Nah those extra weeks are used to make to train to not be a faggot
Lol I like the orange ones the most.
Excuse me sir that's highly classified information
When I was younger I used to go to an arcade in Daytona Beach . Two of the attendants that worked there one served as a marine and the other in the Navy. One day they came out of the head together. Marine said they taught us to wash our hands after take a piss . Navy guy responded they taught us in the Navy not to piss on ourselves. I almost pissed myself laughing 😂😂😂... Always loved the bantering between the two of them quite entertaining. In times of war they all become unified and our brothers-in-arms all serve their deadly purpose with precision.
This aged like fine milk since the Marines will be getting rid of scout snipers.
What?? Why?
Daddy navy said no more playing in the yard?
@@supersly2284 The brass felt that they did sniping more than they did scouting.
So sniper and scout roles are going to be separated.
Marines should not do recon! They should be at the beaches and near water! Army should do recon because they are the premier ground force!
@@adlibconstitution1609 are you insane? Marines are shock troops. In air on land and sea. Marines have been the premier recon and ground force that takes the AO so the army can hold it.
The army has units dedicated to scouting. That’s why snipers don’t hold this role alone. Usually these units have snipers in them.
RSTA
Can confirm this is correct. RSTA sniper section for 10 years. Didn’t go to sniper school to learn recon. Came from a recon unit to sniper school.
Yep. The Army is larger force so it makes sense that they can have more units dedicated to singular tasks.
LRS (Long Range Surveillance) was once a Division level asset (1 detachment per). Once that dissolved, LRS was all pushed to Corp level. LRS and Force Recon share a very similar mission set. Most Divisions maintain a Scout Platoon within each Brigade, and Designated Marksman (DM) within each Infantry Platoon.
The Army definitely separates Recon/Scouting and Sniping/precision marksmanship...but the Marine Corps has a little separation there as well, until you talk about Force Recon Snipers.
Also, the worst Marine paper pusher, is usually a good shot. Basic marksmanship is taken a little more serious in the Corp.
Can't compare an apple to an orange. One makes great orange juice, and one is better for apple pie.
Exactly. 19D
Marines are meant to be tenacious and independent. They have to be able to keep themselves alive alone for extended periods sometimes, specifically scouts. Army snipers work like the rest of the army, keep up numbers and lethality. They function in groups with support. All that matters is that they hit shots and fall in line, relatively speaking.
Lol…
@@Spoons7414 how is that funny?
@@jacksonanna2880 as marine if you ever seen army March you would find it funny too. They are rarely ever in line 😂 I got to watch plenty of army boots marching while I was back at my schoolhouse. That shit was horrendous.
“Marines are Tenacious and independent while the army needs support” lmao ok..
At the end of the day if you take the best from each branch, army takes the cake and its not even close… not only from a # of deployments perspective, of which marines usually have zero lol.. but the best of the marines.. yea maybe some could make it in 75th or some in green berets, none in delta lol.
@@billbillson5082 ummm... what?? lol you are either a civ or like a cook. green beenies, seals, dev group, and yes even delta, hell ground branch will even tell you they usually like having raiders along there is just something different about them.
But # of deployments done mean shit and historically marines will have more #'s sine our deployments are shorter. I had 3 in a 4 year enlistment.
That all beaning said you act as if delta guys are some super humans so you definally have never met one there just very fit very experienced and very smart dudes but at the end of the day there still just dudes. lol
The Marines are a smaller force and have to combine missions. The Army has a separate unit for scouting.
No.
No.
Whats interesting is the differences also in each branches spec ops unit
Seals do various snatch and grabs and can deploy from sea aswell as other short term missions. while delta tends to do more long term. Like. Real long term.
They were inserted in south america a long time ago and worked with the Cia dealing with the KGB.
Iv heard many of their missions are about destabilizatition and bringing down large hostile groups that have control of even regions
@@GreyBlackWolf i mean the SEALS are part of the navy. They are one of the few non water/boating or port based assets
Doing more with less.
From the aspect of an Aussie, great big respects to Murican troops, army or marines. In general all hostile defensive personnel, you're all tough nutters. You all deserve a cookie! And more!
"Soldier how did you get that close to me?"
"Sniper approached the instructor by being a stinking bastard Sergeant Major." - Tuco
How’s that wife and kid there, Chavez?
Marine snipers will sit on a hillside for weeks waiting for the target.
Army snipers hit him where he is right now.
In either case he's got the most expensive ammo in the squad.
Arm chair military expert
@@Phoenix-ec1oo arm chair armchair expert.
Idk pretty sure my HE mortar costs more lol
@@kristopherhilton8065 which is pretty useless if you don't have a target position to fire at.
Our you do it the Ukrainian way, fire Flechette at "who it may concern"
@@pteppig you can fire handheld on the 60s and a good fdc and FO can have rounds down range within a minute and they will be mist
“…and the typical US child must endure at least 12 years of schooling.”
... and with a higher chance of enemy fire.
@swordbrethrenmordred1230 it's friendly fire we're all supposed to be on the same side.
marines snipers: scouting, taking out targets, gathering intel
army snipers: just using sniper rifle when deployed
That because the Army has dedicated scout and recon teams.
@@donaldskipper2113 so does the Marine Corps lol
@@gGc0705 marines are much smaller compared to army, so they need to make the most out of snipers
@@Chadius_Thundercock Thank you, that is well know to me. The point is, the Marine corps also has dedicated scout and recon teams. I.E Marine recon and LAR (light armored reconnaissance for those that might not know). The fact that out snipers go above and beyond is just icing on the cake. Also, if you ever meet em they’re very cool, humble dudes because personality is a big factor.
@@gGc0705 above and beyond? Give me a break, you guys have so few deployments its not even funny. Marines likes seals are great at blowing their own horn, you guys shouldered a small fraction of the effort in the wars. The pogs in the army saw more combat than the marines did
Army takes gold every sniper comp.
Summary: marines are smart recruiters.
Army: you shoot good? You're in.
Marines dont have scout snipers anymore 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.
Also too different roles. Army scout snipers usually provide over watch for infantry. Hence why they need to be more accurate.
Ha 😂, recruiter pinch you,your in!
If the USMC were good recruiters they wouldn't need to weed out men.
@@deeetherton445not like the army are any better at recruiting bruv
@deeetherton445 we don't "weed out men"- we are selective about which programs you are accepted into.
The army is so much bigger than the marine corp….. we have separate scouts, so we just need snipers to make a shot.
Doing more with less. Making snipers double as scouts opens the opportunity of taking our high value targets or reeking havoc behind enemy lines. Look up GYSGT Carlos hathcock
@@Phoenix-ec1oo Marines crow about their snipers. The Army keeps quiet about it.
@@donaldskipper2113 Don't know what you mean by "crow", and I don't see how it's related to what I said.
Corps*
It really depends, marine scout snipers are more versatile. Army scouts and snipers are more specialised.
The Marines understand and value snipers. The Army does not and never has. I say this as an Army vet, 1st Special Forces Gp, Okinawa. I love the Army, I respect the Marine Corps.
They have different rolls.
@@robertharris6092 rolls
@@robertharris6092 Yup, Army now has fat rolls and the Marines have serious roles, or they take their roles seriously.
@@seekndestroy8970 i never saw a fat army sniper.
@@CrotchRocket78 Because the fat ones have extra large gilly suits?
Both the marine and army sniper are very capable, even with their differences
This kind of made it look like Army isn’t as good as Marines but the mission is so different and both have strengths and weaknesses. Personally being prior service I respect the hell out of both and thankful they are on OUR side. 🇺🇸
Have you seen the Marines recon program? Now that shit is tough. First week weeds out most participants.
For meat heads who need it simplified even further, let me put it in video game language:
Marines are like the sniper elite games
Long missions alone and isolated.
Army snipers are like the snipers you play in multi-player games
They go in
Do the shooting
And get out
Simplified it even more for you.
Too complex, didn't understand. Will grab my favorite red crayon as a snack and think about it later.
Me still no get it...
Make more easy to get!
excellent explanation. No more crayons and markers taste blaahh
Thanks man 😊👍
Does that mean army snipers do 360 quickscope mlg montage (not clickbait) (2022)
The Army is focused on weeding out the weak ones because they are afraid Emma's two Moms will call the manager.
I'm in an army scout platoon split between snipers and recon. It's the snipers job to shoot and it's my job as recon to do the long reconnaissance work. It sounds as if the Marines have just combined the two roles into one job.
Good info here! This is why we have different branches of military...so we can cover a lot of different tactical needs. Thanks to our devoted servicemen!
Rah
My boyfriend was a marine sniper and because he won’t talk about his experiences I find myself on RUclips trying to get a sense of what he went through….. tough man I’ll say that. Marines are a different breed
Lookup the shawn ryan show or you can lookup recon marines PTSD and you'll find quite a bit from a few different guys
Army: shoots when the target is clear
Marines: scouts them for days to shoot them
Seal: already cut the throat of the target while still hidden
Delta: was there even a target?
Chris Kyle enter the chat
5 likes and 2 views wtf lol, systems probably broken also nice vid
new here?
Bruh, ive seen a video with 20 likes and 3 views, thats normal
@@TripleTrickShot LOL ur not wrong tho
It takes a few seconds of watching to count as a view so at the start of a video all the people that liked instantly will technically not have their view counted yet so that’s why that happens
Hence the name Marine scout sniper.
A lot of people here seem to forget that Marine Recon is a thing too. It's not just snipers.
"the marines prefer smarter troops"
*CRAYONS INTENSIFIES*
Marines are build different 💪
The Air Force, Navy, and Coast Guard all have snipers too.
Air Force???
@@joshuahummel2858 pest management sniping critters on the flightline?
😂😂😂 shut up
@@joshuahummel2858 In case someone tries to steal a helicopter or plane gotta get them on the strip silly
@@joshuahummel2858 In case a stork strays onto an A-10 Warthog
That's because the Army is big enough to have separate scouts and don't need to use snipers to scout.
That's also why Marines call their marksman Scout Sniper instead of just sniper.
Exactly and they don't waste resources on medics or global transportation they let the Navy do that for them but the Marines have rotary and fixed wing attack aircraft
Yep. Marine Corps isn't big enough or funded enough for people to just do one job. Everyone fills multiple roles, lots of extra work.
Don’t believe this video, Army snipers’ primary mission is collection and reporting of battlefield information. We absolutely put reconnaissance above “shooting.”
Marine Snipers really are a different breed
White Feather would agree
Pig. Professionally instructed gunman. Hog. Hunter of gunman
3 week screener course but casually leaves out the Army pre-sniper course that one must pass before they qualified for the sniper course. The REAL reason why the sniper course is 7 weeks not 5 is because 1. Army snipers are used as a force multiplier on the battlefield, and 2. We have entire MOS such as 19D which fill up the role of scout snipers and units that emphasized on reconnaissance like the pathfinder and LRSU with sniper course graduates which makes them an expert of both.
I love navigation, as a 19 year old I can hop in most games and take 1 look at the map and just understand where I'm at and don't have to look agian. Larger maps are even more fun to navigate my friends across. I'm always the map guy in minecraft and I make sure everyone has a big universal world map for the survival playthrough.
Getting used to the British spy
Marines just canceled the sniper program
which is even dumber than getting rid of their tanks, which was monumentally stupid to begin with.
Nah they didn’t cancel it they just reorganized it. Basically moved the scout snipers under reconnoissance instead of infantry
@Amish Supreme so, less infantry (killing shit) more recon (looking at shit)?
Looks pretty much like they can do that with existing ISR shit.
@@lancegardner8560 from what I understand it’s less snipers sniping shit and more snipers reconnaissance and info gathering/dissemination. The restructuring of the scouts has the idea of supporting that. The Marines have been modernizing and restructuring for quite some time in anticipation of conflict with China. Ie. getting rid of heavy armor, restructuring infantry, using HIMARS in place of conventional artillery, etc. These decisions are made with the thought that we will be a more adaptive, informed, and independent fighting force. Whether or not these decisions are the right ones or if they’ll even work? Now that’s a bit above my pay grade 😂
@Amish Supreme still stupid. Who the hell would join the military to be a sniper that don't shoot shit? I qualified and still didn't want to, knowing the conditions. Fuck was I gonna do it just to do recon? Fuck that, I'm at least gonna get my hands bloody.
Best ever Carlos hathcock unreal courage plus field craft never missed!
Respect to both methods to be honest. Different branches with different roles.
The regular army sniper school is pretty basic. Army Special Operations runs the best Sniper School of them all.
SOF sniper school is only for GBs and Delta. 75th guys go to regular army sniper school for some reason even though they’re a sof unit
@@tboxcupcakes I’ve seen Rangers at SOTIC (SF Sniper). It’s not common but it’s been done. There are multiple SF run schools that allow other branches and MOSs dependent on slot availability. CDQC (Combat Dive School), HALO School are two of them off the top of my head. I will admit my knowledge is out of date and I had a LOT of head injuries before I retired in 2015.
@@sambaggins2798 I remember when they changed it from Special Forces Target Interdiction Course to Special Operations Target Interdiction Course. People used to get a kick out of getting orders to "soft dick".
There is also Long Range Target Interdiction Course, taught by the same JFK Cadre for non-US and other folks that may not be in a SF slot. Still a B4 course.
@tboxcupcakes Wrong they go to Army sniper, SOTIC, and Marine scout sniper
The Marines are better on their own (small group or alone) especially over long periods where as the Army can choose better Marksman because they have a larger accessible support and don't get secluded nearly as often or as long as Marine snipers
I love them both!! 🤘🏾👌🏾💪🏾
Bravo Sierra
A little out of context. In the Army, sniper school it's a skil made available to a given MOS. In the marines it's an MOS.
Both are still deadly! What nut would want to be on the business end of their scopes?
I would
@@colonelmarshall9504 same. Life sucks right now
L to both
WHAT??? These guys can't be serious! Why do y'all think that so many different people are getting to America illegally? If you guys are from Somilia, Siberia, Xie Xie, China, Argentina, Ukraine or somewhere like that; then I can see some singing that Sunday evening song they sang on the t.v. show Hee Haw, "Gloom, despair, and Agony!" (This was before you younglings came along). But under the Stars and Stripes? C'mon man! No cohort of Americans or any other nation EVER had it better with so much going wrong. Enjoy what you can while you can. ☻❤👌
@@Raysystemic C'mon man???
Marine Sniper course is much more then you've said here!
SEMPER FI 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
That was one man's opinion, and with respect I hold a different opinion. When you're looking at candidates for the position of sniper, you look at your very best men (or women: Russian female snipers were notoriously deadly in WWII.) A sniper and sniper/spotter teams must be capable of operating alone, often for extended periods, away from all support. They operate under great mental, emotional, and physical stress. Takes a special kind of person, a special kind of dedication. A lot of troops can hit a target at great range, few have what it takes to be a sniper.
@@pauljnolan1000 your preaching to the choir my guy. I know from personal experience about this course and what it takes to go through it, I also know that women can be just as deadly as men. In the Corps they teach us history of warfare here and abroad I was just stating that this post wasn't saying everything that we go through especially the not so wonderful things it takes to pass this course. And everyone in every branch feels they have the better course but in fact it's what you learn and take away from each course/instructor that make a Scout Sniper great not what branch you take it in.
Marine snipers: Rambo
Army snipers:
@@JVtheDJI'm dying. 😂😂😂
AFTER ALL THESE COMPARISONS...I LOVE THEM BOTH...THEY ARE COURAGEOUS AND BRAVE, THEY SACRIFICE EVERYTHING THEY HAVE INCLUDING TIME FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR FUTURES.. WE LOVE YOU ALL GUYS .GOD BLESS AND PROTECT YOU ALL AS YOU DEDICATE YOUR TIME PROTECTING THE U.S.A. and the WHOLE WORLD.
I love it when civilians who never served try to make it seem like one branch is better than the other makes you look really smart especially when you realize that the United States Army has won more international sniper competitions than any other branch…..
Army snipers are force multiplayer covering movements of larger force's
Larger force's what?
@@slappy8941 Army does overwatch of larger groups of soldiers . Marines are more for scouting
@@professionalschizo a scout platoon is still a larger group then two shooter and spotter
I was an army sniper for 5 years and I can easily say that most of the info on army snipers in this video is bs.
😂
Semper Fi 8541 oorah
0352, tank sniper
DAMN IT!!!!! Mandela effing with the Corps. Where the hell is the H in HOORAH that I vividly remember from the 90s?
You ppl are amazing! Everyone always has something to say about the Army. Where does the USMC sniper teams place at the International Best Sniper Competition? It’s not first place there’s been a few years you guy’s haven’t even placed top 3. Talk about that.
This makes sense for the way both groups operate
Army: Bachelor's Degree
Marines: Master's Degree
Special Forces: PhD
Special forces is Army
@@tgd2984 A sector of it yes, but It takes you loads of skills and training to be one.
Well the army mainly and or only sends infantrymen to sniper school while having a different mos for reconnaissance but the marines probably only have infantrymen to send so taking the sniper course transitions them into a scouting element in order to do the longer surveillance missions instead of kicking down doors.
90% of the Army training was on infil exfil back in my day
Yep. Army snipers were already in a scout observer role in a recon Plt and didn’t need to go through more scout training. I won’t even comment on the disinformation of marines being smarter or tougher. But I will say they were very real about it.
3 steps forward....Sniper at you feet.
Who wins the Intl Sniper Competition and Camp Perry every year. There you go
My great grandfather when he was still alive was a ww1 veteran he said that snipers were considered the most cowardly soldiers
I'm in a sniper regiment no matter who you ask, Marine or Army. Army's class is much more challenging, then Marines course.
@@professionalschizo great job brother.
@@professionalschizo the ones who brag always end up short the end. The quiet ones they're the ones you know what they're doing, generally.
@@professionalschizo boot
@@professionalschizo Did it hurt? Well Oki and Australia. Brag? Not really is just another job. What let me guess you deploy to the sandbox? I guess Im unlucky its in peace times.
@@professionalschizo Good for you but I’m pretty sure there’s a lot of stuff you would fail out of in the Marine Corps so I wouldn’t brag too much.
The narrator sounds a bit different this video I believe…
The Army snipers end up with more kills than Marines.
So I should focus on the Marine Corps as I want to be a scout sniper. Thank you for helping me clear this confusion up 🙏
I love the video but anyone remember in 2018 when the USCG out shot the Marines in the International Sniper challenge?
So the point is
_It takes 15 weeks to find smart marines?_
Longer than that, trust me.
Point is the marines take quality over quantity
Maybe it just takes a Marine twice as long to learn 🤣
I’ve seen some Marines who were much smarter than members from other branches. In fact I work with a guy who was in the Air Force and he’s lost in the sauce. This crap about the other branches being smarter than the Marines is total BS. Don’t believe it!!
@@chaseviking5096 not when it comes to book deals or blowing ur own horn
I'm not saying we are better, but we are a DIFFERENT BREED
Unless marines are somehow aliens from another planet who snuck onto the earth, the 'breed' is the exact same. -_-
@elevenb6967 oh you don't know, now you do
@@SgtRoseUSMC
Oh, I know, alright. Believe me, I do.
Well put.
That's so insane how these men can be trained for such a technical job with so much to know within a matter of just 5 weeks.
They come from their respective sniper sections before this they already have been training for years
As a sniper in the army recon is the primary goal taking out targets is secondary I don’t know where this guy got his info from lol
Great video
Army is always overlooked when history says otherwise
And yet: the Army has won more global Top Sniper Competition awards than the Marines. 🤔
We need these guys on city rooftops to take out the trash.
It shows too considering the Marines lose every interservice and international marksmanship competitions and haven't won a sniper competition in decades. Plus, unlike the Marines, the army snipers do ongoing and continuous training for the skill set well after the school is complete.
Excellent details
moment he said army and marine corps have snipers I just pause and audibly went "ABOUT THAT"
I found out when I was in the army 1981 Aberdeen Maryland taking Advanced individual training the Marines trained near us I realize that they are more specialized Troopers they had tougher training than we did but we'd beat them and everybody else in tug-of-war we were undefeated if anybody that was there reads this please leave a comment I was the Anchorman they call me tank even the marine guys
Devil Dog: Rah rah mission
Soldier:
Where target. Show us. We kill. Then leave.
When I was assigned to work out at Stone Bay where Weapons Training Battalion was at Lejeune in the late 90s & the Army sent a soldier to the Sniper School there. He ended as the top graduate. They were all about concealment there. During the course they learned to make their gully suits. They even had to practice drawing to identify features for missions. So much stuff I wish I’d taken the time to learn and focus on out there but I was on my last year, and I was ready to get out.
Marines = snipers comes for you.
Army = Snipers wait for you.
Army has separate schools for long range reconnaissance. Army also have a occupational speciality that focuses on scouting. There's also scout platoons for combat arms battalions and scouting units whose sole focuse is scouting. The sniper is a force multiplier that is added to Army infantry formations. The Marine scout/sniper role is performed by specialized Ranger elements AKA LRRPS. There's also long range surveillance units but their focus is on scouting and being undetected.
Bruh…we both have the same mission set and Army sniper is seven weeks long. Many of us have had to screen with a sniper platoon and go through a pre-sniper training regimen. After basic sniper we attend higher level courses like high angle, advanced sniper, SFSC (SOTIC), and a multitude of civilian advanced courses.
Scout sniper primarily focuses on training entry level snipers and acts as the single gateway for their respective MOS. Army sniper primarily focuses its efforts as a battlefield enhancement for ground force commanders. Though both services produce world class snipers, the Army (doctrinally speaking) propagates and perpetuates more battlefield autonomy and cross training than scout sniper does (USMC snipers are strictly limited by fundamental flaws in doctrine, not training.)
Army: haha sniper rifle goes POOOOW
Marines: *the End from mgs 3*
“Sniping a good job mate”
As a combat veteran with a sniper tab, i can tell you this video is 100% correct about the Army sniper school
“The most obvious difference is that the marines are better.” And also last time I checked those 12 weeks make those marines the best branch in the US so why tall jokin on them? And what’s wrong with me devouring crayons for free?
Army sniper school is 7 weeks long, though they are currently debating on making it 5 weeks, but it hasn't happened yet. And your main focus is becoming an expert with the weapon system, and field craft. However, army sniper sections(for all but striker units) are attached to scout platoons. So a large majority of their training outside of sniper school will be focused on a reconnaissance mission set.
Marines:A scout that snipes
Army: A sniper that scouts.
Army Sniper and 80% of my training was fieldcraft and everything before the shot