I actually - but that's just my opinion - found the book version of Tom Bombadil quite ridiculous. He drops some sick lines like saying that he saw how Morgoth descended upon Arda - but then jolly-tom-bom-bollies all over the place in the next second. So... I was happy that Jackson cut his part out of his trilogy. This interpretation of his character, however, seems more mature and decent in my eyes and given the tone of Tolkien's work and also of the series, I think, it fits much better.
Think of how Tolkien portrayed the Elves through Bilbo's eyes in The Hobbit, and how they are portrayed in LOtR. The Hobbits saw Tom in much the same light, carefree and a bit ridiculous. As with the Elves, Tom is much more nuanced.
@@mmmelancholia The thing is that the scene with Tom explained how the One Ring works, and why the Wise were too terrified to even touch it. Jackson kind of expanded on this in other ways -- that the Ring promised what you desired and thereby corrupted your will -- but it would have been useful to see the one person in the epic who already had everything he desired and thus was wholly immune to the Ring.
@@mmmelancholia Tom is supposed to be incongruous. Tolkien intended Tom to be an anomaly, like a force of nature that remains mysterious and unexplained. Myths and fairy tales are full of encounters with supernatural beings acting oddly care free in circumstances that we find deadly serious. Tom's jolly nature is his most notable characteristic and removing it grounds a character who is supposed to be otherly.
I think it's pretty apparent by this point that the "writers" ain't interested in doing justice to Tolkien's work. They just want to use the IP to bring in the fans that they couldn't earn through their own merit.
@@Akron162 Agreed. It takes alot of talent and hard work to make Tom Bombadil boring, but Rory Kinnear and the director have done it! A remarkable achievement🤣
Portraying Tom Bombadil as introverted and brooding makes this all seem like a SNL skit from the early 2000’s. ‘SNL presents Emo Lord of The Rings’ or something.
This is one unhappy Tom. I thought he was supposed to be chaotically happy? Borderline disturbingly/creepily happy? Spoke in songs and riddles... man you can have fun with that as a scriptwriter.. He can be a ridiculous anomality that seems silly, but underneath it all.. there's a deep understanding of the world.. and his words can be full of wisdom.. but can also creep you out. Like a chaotic god from ancient Gaelic myths and legends.
Part of what's going on here is adapting what's in books for roughly 8 to 9 hours of video content, Even if all the same things worked in a book as in a movie or a TV series like this one, you have to cut things because the different audiences are going to enjoy or hate different types of things, creepy creepy levels of happy in a time like that would be extremely unsettling and drive many people to stop watching this show, So just making him a realist is going to be much better for audiences to actually enjoy the show even if it's going to enrage the few die hards whose opinions honestly don't matter that much
@@the_undeadlol enjoy that CW-level schlop while it lasts, maybe you can sign a petition when Amazon gets tired of burning truckloads of cash in the pits of Mordor
@@the_undead so why put him in? It was cheap attempt to say 'hey look Tom is in our show!! But we don't want him to be like he actually is suposed to be."
@@the_undead exactly, people forget that this show simplifies things so casual viewers understand, yknow those who watch a show once and never again, yea thats the focus. Tolkien fans are secondary to them and this should surprise nobody as book adaptations have done this since the beginning.
Thats not Tom Bombadil, Nor Tom Bombadillo, not by weed or willow, That fellow there is an imposterrillo! His nose is neither red nor his boots, Yellow.
In the Lord of the Rings game on the old Xbox 360 Tom could be summoned with a spell that only lasted 15 seconds. 1 hit did 50% damage on the big giant 9 foot tall Sauron. 😅
He didn't take off 50% per hit... He didn't even 1 shot ordinary troops. He lasted longer than 15 seconds as well. He knocks em down though, good for a summon. I loved playing skirmishes in helms deep or minas tirith in 3v1s I own the game and love it. He dances and skips around though all jolly and mentions that his boots are yellow haha. He's meant to talk lyrically. Typical of Amazon to fuck it up.
Not defending the show, but Tolkien himself said that the Istari (wizards) were deliberately sent in mortal flesh of old men that could be killed so that they would be humble and not domineering, and they would feel confusion and fear and weariness, and they were made to remember where they came from as though it was a dream long ago.
I second what @BrentARJ says: The Stranger is clearly still in shock from being made flesh--his body doesn't work the same as his incorporeal self so he's not used to controlling it--and it's highly unlikely that a human brain could easily process the mind of a Maia, let alone his memories, so it would definitely take him a while to get centered and situated. It's one of the few little details this show gets right and makes sense.
@@sychuan3729 I'm extrapolating based on the evidence that @BrentARJ provided. it would be very strange for an immortal in the Timeless Halls to BE in Arda. That transition would be a strange adaptation.
"Is it MY task to stop the fire?" "No..." , Tom said nonchalantly as he puts on his shades, "...because we didn't start the fire in the first place. It was always burning. Since the world was turning. We didn't start the fire...no, we did not light it..." "...but we tried to FIGHT it." said Not-Yet-Gandalf, nodding his head in sudden realisation of what his next course of action must be. "Thank you for the turnips, Tom, but I really need to fly and with haste! I am needed!" "Jolly good then, Not-Yet-Gandalf. You up for a game of Warhammer next Tuesday?" "And then head The Prancing Pony for a pint or two, afterwards?", said Not-Yet-Gandalf, standing in the doorway, with mild interest. "Sounds good to me. See you next week, Not-Yet-Gandalf." "Toodles Mate!", said Suddenly-Betrayed-By-His-Australian-Accent-And-Dialogue-But-NOT-YET-Gandalf, and as he left Tom Bombadil began to sing 'The Greatest Adventure', with the Minstrel Of Gondor, providing bass, who had been eavesdropping in Tom's wardrobe all this time...
Because they're not trying to make an accurate representation of Tom in the books, they're trying to make a Tom that's acceptable for an on-screen appearance while still having the lore necessary stuff
Because this show is not accurate...and no canon character is depicted accurately :)...this is gigantic lore butchery dumb fanfic....it makes no effin sense to have Tom in this part of the world...especially since it would make more sense to have Elrond encounter him wandering Eriador or something. No canon character has the matching personality from books....so basically these are all character assassinations.
@@frauwasauchimmer when I say lore necessary stuff I mean what is Tom, because quite frankly, one's personality generally has much less to do with the lore then we like to think. And quite frankly, Tom's personality would never do well on screen. In a bucket would do relatively fine. If you want to know what I'm talking about, looking to hitchhikers a guide to the Galaxy. There are many different versions of that story in many different formats and the original Creator strongly encouraged people when they're adapting the story to different formats to change things to work for said formats. Because what works well in a book doesn't work in a movie or similar
Amazon need to stop this show. They are making a mess of all the characters. The series is a joke 😂😂😂. How can you take something as epic as LOTR and produce this. It’s clear madness 😂
Im a huge hobbit and lotr fan and i hated season 1 but 2 is interesting its honestly better then nothing just go read the books if you dont like this im glad this is out personally
@@chrisgibson1030 Agreed, and nor did Jackson. He airily asserted once he wanted to film _The Lord of the Rings_ not as fantasy but as real history. That's a pointless undertaking. If he didn't want to do it in the manner of the nordic folktale Tolkien intended there's no point in doing it at all. It's a bit like saying I want to do a movie of the D-Day landings all gritty violent and real, but for some unfathomable reason have it entirely made up of sprites fairies and elves.
@@splinterbyrd bruh, Jackson and crew at least loved the source material and did everything they could to balance book vs movie. There is a reason why the PJ trilogy is one of the best pieces of cinema in history
@@Pixx2266 Especially annoying in Jackson's effort was the way he pointlessly dispensed with Tolkien's beautiful dialogue, and replaced it with lines which were banal in the extreme One of his scriptwriters effectively said in interview that she thought the audience would be too stupid to get it. Utter cobblers. Visually, it lacked imagination. It was always the obvious way of doing it. As one critic put it so well; Jackson made Middle Earth look just like.... South New Zealand
@@splinterbyrd well, that's your opinion and one that's not shared by a lot of people. I love the books as well myself and PJ's trilogy did the best adaption that is possible.
@@Pixx2266 They left out the hobbits' journey across the Shire, the Old Forest, Tom Bombadil and the Barrow Wights. Those are some of my favourite bits. Hobbiton looked like the Teletubbies house, and Rivendell looked like the Newton Abbot branch of Trago Mills. I saw the movies at the cinema, and have them on dvd. They weren't bad, but Jackson's self-taught, and it shows. I love some of his other films, but this one was beyond him.
Tom is cheery and happy when he meets the Hobbits, but we've no idea what his conversations with the Istari were like. I live the thought that he's more down to (Middle) Earth in this show. The Hobbits were leaving their home and heading into a grand and terrifying world, and Tom gave them a moment of joy, wonder and hope. But the Istar here didn't need a silly goober, he need someone who had answers and could point him in the right direction.
I reckon they are attempting to reconcile Tolkien amending his writing from Blue Wizards failing in their missions and succumbing to darkness in earlier writings and Blue Wizards succeeding in curbing Sauron's expansion in later writings by doing both: one wizard being bad and one wizard being good. Saruman vs Gandalf type of situation. Oh, who am I kidding, I give them too much credit. These are Saruman and Gandalf.
Both of the Blue Wizards name is translated to: East-Helper and Darkness Slayer. As we can see The Dark Wizard is the East-Helper and The Stranged is the Darkness Slayer.
We don't really know if the Blue wizards did fail. If all the East had been under Saurons sway, could the Western lands have survived? The 'Man' power that would have been availible if that was so, would have been uncountable. I believe the Blue wizards did 'forment' resistance in the Eastern lands, so that didn't happen.
@@neil999ish we all know that canon is Blue wizzards messing up Sauron's designs for Rhun, since that's Tolkien's last and latest mention of them. I'm talking about what they're doing in the show. Tom Bombadil in the show says that if Sauron and the Dark Wizard manage to unite forces it's light out for everyone, and that the Stranger will have to face them both. I think it's actually no point in trying to sleuthe out who the Stranger is, because she show disrespects the source material at every corner and the Stranger could really be anybody: Saruman, Gandalf, or one of the Blue Wizzards. Hell, it might even be another yet unknown Maia or Glorfindel. The most unshit uninsane version would be if it was one of the Blue wizzards attempting to turn his friend the Dark Wizzard from evil ways, since it would merge both accounts that Tolkien gave about them, but that's giving the showrunners too much credit. We'll just have to wait and see.
What I really dislike about this is that new fans curious to learn more about Tom after reading the books will look up his name and see THIS. It's going to completely take away the cheery mysteriousness of the character that so many of us fell in love with.
Yeah that's what annoys me about people who say it's just a show. But if you google anything LOTR related now, RoP comes up. It alters peoples perceptions of the characters, even if they've read the books. I can imagine if you've just got into the world of middle earth then it's going to be hard to shake that. It's like if you watch a movie before you read the books, you imagine the characters faces from the movies.
I think hes still pretty cheery overall, in that he is indifferent. He is literally making dinner while talking about the ultimate evil, and still singing. To that makes him pretty mysterious.
And thus ROP wipes away the tragedy that is Saruman's fall from grace. He didn't start off as a "Dark Wizard," but Saruman the White, leader and ally against Sauron and the darkness. But his hubris and pride led him to believe he could use the tools of the Enemy against him and for Good -- and this pride led to his tragic fall from grace into darkness.
Well we don’t know what happened with the blue wizards. No one ever heard from them again. They went east to rhun. That’s it. Only Gandalf was the one to do the task given to him. Who’s to say that blue wizards did not become corrupt or die.
@@malchalatiTolkien already said the opposite happened. I am sure the Rings of Power writers are as ignorant about that as the rest of his lore. Their task was to circumvent Sauron: to bring help to the few tribes of Men that had rebelled from Melkor-worship, to stir up rebellion... and after his first fall to search out his hiding and to cause dissension and disarray among the dark East... They must have had very great influence on the history of the Second Age and Third Age in weakening and disarraying the forces of the East... who both in the Second Age and Third Age otherwise have... outnumbered the West.J.R.R. Tolkien
As some one that read the Silmarillion, and still dose, ( i just love this book), i can confidently say that this shitshow is a insult to Tolkien himself
@@Carlos-bz5oo yes, she was badass in Tolkien book, in the show she is a mary sue, and no one likes a mary sus like her, she should be elegant and authoritative, not fuking Chuck Norris
@@Carlos-bz5oo I get that they can't mention the Silmarillion, but they can still respect the lore. For one thing, the time crunch is ridiculous, but in this scene, "Tom Bombadil" says that another Istari "The dark wizard" has already come. According to Tolkien then, this has to be Saruman, which makes no sense. The blue wizards arrived with or after Gandalf, and it is clearly stated that they came "Across the sea".
I mean, I guess they could say he had some character development in the several thousand years later that we see him in LOTR, but that may be giving them too much credit. Tom's whole deal is he's the constant, he's irreconcilable, he's joyful, and he's incapable of giving a shit about literally anything in any kind of meaningful way, up to and including his own well-being.
The five Istari were Maiar, divine beings of the same class as the Valar -- essentially gods -- but of a lesser degree. They were given two very, very strict rules: they must not reveal their true power to the creatures of Middle Earth, and they had to work by persuasion rather than domination. This was because the war that ended Morgoth in the First Age had gods and demi-gods walking around metaphysically naked and flinging miracles hither and yon, nearly destroying Arda in the process. That was one of the reasons Valinor was removed from the material plane, to keep this from happening again. That is also why Saruman was dissipated at the end of LOtR, he used his power to dominate, violating this restriction and thus essentially killed by Manwe.
The Valar and Maiar were more like angels than gods. I can see how the Valar’s hierarchy was based off Olympus tho. Maiar being lesser angels. Eru Ilúvatar is the one God of Tolkien’s world. Morgoth (the first dark lord) is based off Satan, while Sauron, his chief lieutenant is a fallen angel and becomes the second dark lord.
@@chasecreamer727 Just noting that Morgoth is one of the Valars that had a different song that didn't harmonise with the rest of the Valars. He couldn't make a race of his own so he tainted the elves to create orcs but created creatures like dragons and balrogs and I think Shelob as well? (shelob's story is interesting and I wish we get to see this as well in the series). I think Tolkien made it this way to show balance of light and dark. Morgoth was banished to the spirit realm never to return when he was defeated.
@@mehmetbolal493 C'mon, I know Sauron is described in LotR as forever "faithless and accursed" but aren't you being a bit hard on him suggesting he'd write something as crap as this??
@@AimForMyHead81 I'm right next door to Cornwall. It's definitely a poor/intentional take on a general west country accent, and a general northern one. I guess they wanted him to sound rural but not belonging to anywhere?
*On one hand this works:* Tom would interact with the Ainur very differently than he would mortals given that they both share forbidden knowledge of each other's true self. Also, this being the Second Age, Tom might be "younger" and not as carefree as he would be by the Third Age (Death of The Endless used to be dour and indifferent in the early eons of _The Sandman_ universe) so his behavior might be more reserved. And I personally like the idea that The Stranger is amnesiac and discombobulated out of shock from being made corporeal. *On the other hand, this doesn't work:* The Istari and Sauron are all Maia, and fairly even in terms of power. The idea that a Dark Istari would be comparatively weak compared to Sauron and thus need his combined power doesn't math right. Sure, 2>1 but 2 is essentially 1 + another 1, both of which are equal. Tom is suggesting that they aren't.
Well the Maia did have different power levels, if I remember correctly Gandalf had to be convinced to go to middle earth because he was initially frightened of Sauron.
@@lamontcranston1716 On the power levels and fear of Sauron I'm not sure. But I do remember that Gandalf was drafted by Eru himself to go to Arda so he had no choice. That was the friction between him and Saruman: Saruman wanted to go but Gandalf was chosen to go.
@Theomite No he was Drafted by Manwë one of the Valar. When they meet to decide who should go, Olórin (Gandalf) is kind of hanging out on the edge of the council. Manwë calls for him and tells him he wants him to go, but Olórin says that he is too weak for such a task, and that he feared Sauron. Manwë says that this is exactly why he *should* go.
Guys, this is one scene, he is quite jolly in the others... I disagree with a lot in rings of power... but I don't mind this tom bombadill... he seems jolly in other scenes... and what a great soundtrack by bear mcreary :)
My God ! This show is anything but Tolkien's work. It's so stupid that we don't know where to start talking about it. - Evil creates nothing, it disguises and distorts.- Tolkien
I prety sure Tolkien made Sauron make the rings of power with elves or what films, tv show and books have I read & watched? I am also sure that nothing is evil in the beginning.
@@AnnaBellaChannel Bit of a long reply here. Following Morgoth's defeat at the end of the First Age, Sauron takes on a fair form to repent for his actions. However, when he's summoned to Valinor to be put on trial and judgement, he flees. Sauron spends the next 500 years in hiding. In the year 500 of the Second Age, when Sauron believes the Valar have forgotten about Middle-earth, he begins making moves for his eventual rise to power as the new Dark Lord. He first goes into the East, where he begins gathering followers among Easterlings who have long been corrupted by Morgoth. After another 500 years, Sauron finally begins the construction of Barad-dur in Mordor, finally bringing Orcs into the fold. Around the year 1200, Sauron puts on a fair form again, seeking to infiltrate the Elves. He calls himself "Annatar, the Lord of Gifts." At first, he tries to enter Lindon, but High King Gil-galad, despite not being able to discern who Annatar is, does not trust him and turns him away. However, the Elves of Eregion under Celebrimbor accept him and Sauron begins teaching them how to make Rings of Power. During this time, the first 16 rings are created - that is, the 7 and 9 that will eventually come to Dwarves and Men respectively. Around this time, Sauron leaves and returns to Mordor, where he creates his One Ring. During Sauron's absence from Eregion, Celebrimbor creates 3 more rings. As Sauron puts on the One, the Elves wearing the rings immediately become aware of his deception and take all their rings off. Sauron then declares war on the Elves, laying siege to Eregion for the rings. Eregion is destroyed, Celebrimbor is captured, and Sauron claims the 16 rings from the vaults of Eregion. However, as Celebrimbor had sent the 3 rings off (2 to Lindon and 1 to Galadriel in Lorien), Sauron tortures him for information. Celebrimbor never reveals the location of the Three Elven Rings, and would die of his torment. The Elf-lord's body is then placed on a spike and used as a war banner by Sauron's Orcs.
Actually it's "The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own. I don't think it gave life to Orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them ..." If you're going to be an irrational hater, don't show that you don't actually read Tolkien
@@mateusz8818 He's a blue wizard. If they're keeping to the lore. Otherwise it's likely The dark wizard may just be Saruman and the stranger Gandalf. Tom Bombadil is the vessel of Eru's music just like Ungoliant was the vessel of Melkor's discord. So why isn't he upbeat?
@@ThePrinceOrtmayer You can ask why he's not upbeat without making shit up. Neither what you said about Tom or Ungoliant is true. Sounds like personal pet theories.
@@HorseandHattock it's my opinion fella. If you don't like it tough shite. I don't think you understand what speculation is lad. Maybe buy a dictionary and keep your mouth shut you basement dweller.
We keep forgetting that Amazon doesn’t have full rights so they have to tip toe between some lines . They don’t have full rights so it’s not going to be an exact adaptation
Not being funny but I thought he was Manwe after the ‘Commander of wind’ comment Then I googled it & found out this guy is literally his own character 😂 Who knows though, his character was never really explained & always left up to mystery, never seemed to have any desire to intervene aswell so it’s possible
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Wait can someone remind me how gandalf knows who sauron is? I thought all he knows about is following stars to a staff. He learned to speak like a month ago and he only talks to nori and poppy and I don't think they have ever brought it up.
The Istari (Quenya for "those who know") are a couple of Maiar who were sent to Middle Earth, disguised as old men, in the Third Age. (They changed the timeline in the show.) They are also referred to as "wizards". There are five "famous" Istari: Saruman, Gandalf, Radagast, Pallando and Alatar. The Istari were sent to Middle Earth to help in the fight against Sauron - however, actually none of them except for Gandalf did their job. There is also a passage in the Silmarillion, if I'm not mistaken, which states that it is, in fact, not known if there were more Istari/wizards. The dark wizard from the East could be one of the blue wizards (Alatar or Pallando) who went, indeed, in the East - or it could be an unknown other Istar. To me, he seems to be some sort of High Priest of Sauron. Maybe he could also become a future Nazgûl. There is indeed a Nazgûl that's called Khamûl the Easterling. Perhaps, this is Khamûl...? I think, we will have to wait and see.
@@mmmelancholia - Pallandro and Alatar were sent in the late Second Age and headed east into Rhun, never to be heard from again. The arrival of the other three was about 2000 years later, presumably because the other two failed their mission.
@@TechBearSeattle Saruman traveled to the East like the two blue wizards. Saruman was the only one who came back to the West after a millennia and a half. The other two stayed in the East.
To have these two characters meet and neither of them have the biggest qualities they’re known for. Gandalf being that he knows exactly what his quest is and it’s his only aim. And Tom being cheerful and unconcerned with all that bullshit outside of his boarders. It’s just a prequel to ensnare ignorant movie fans and mindless consumers with no self respect
For me, it works better than everything else in the show.... Not that its undenieably good, but better. At least somewhat logical, that someone who lives beneath a desert takes in a lost wanderer and feeds and advises him. No obvious nonsense here Like making urgent travels without horses or rations or tents, or attacking the only enemy of your enemy while you want to infiltrate him to know If you still have an enemy ...
I really thought people were exaggerating when they said this show was insultingly bad, but i am actually insulted by how bad this is. jesus christ dude.
I like the actor but Tom bombadill is meant to be jolly, care free and has a skip in his step. And where’s Goldberry?! Why have the writers made him like this?
What little is known of them is that they were sent to Middle Earth in the Second Age, traveled to Rhun east of Mordor to protect them from the influence of Sauron, and were never heard from again. The general supposition is that they were corrupted, served as his lieutenants for a time, then overthrew Sauron's influence, rose in revolt with the peoples of Rhun, and died in the ensuing war. The Wraiths were then turned to replace the Blue Wizards, and it is the Wraiths, not the Wizards, who fight in War of the Last Alliance at the end of the Second Age. If Sauron still had them, he definitely would have used them.
@@TechBearSeattleI heard somewhere that Gandalf is considered the only Istari to have successfully completed his mission. Even Radagast, it was said, lost focus delving into his interest in nature and animals.
Tolkien would be sad to see Tom Bombadil this way. HE was suppose to cheery, I was excited to see this character and then disappointed not seeing him cheerful haha... this series could of been better.... so close Amazon... so close.
No, but to a die-hard Tolkien-fan the words that come out of their mouth are just an insult...and that's why I don't like it and will continue to refuse to watch it in it's entirety...there were 5 Istari which arrived at the Grey Havens...Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast, Alatar and Pallando... they knew exactly who they were and what their purpose was and which Maia they were previously...also they didn't need to learn how to control magic goddamnit and there also wasn't a dark Istari...all of this is just horrible, made-up, mystery-box, fanfiction-bullshit, because they do not have the rights to portray what actually happened in the Second Age
@@MacXHammer This is supposed to be an adaptation of Tolkien’s work. But at some point, I ask who the author is or if this is an original story. Because this is not an adaptation of an actual novel, I think it’d be even more important to adhere to Professor Tolkien’s notes.
What a finely decorated, but empty world they have created. Sure there are things to like, but it doesn't possess anywhere near the depth or weight of the world Tolkein wrote about.
@@vasuba well the thing is...in Tolkien's descriptions of the eastern lands....they were mostly depicted as grassy plains and fields with some unexplored forests and so on...but the plains are supposed to represent more the Eurasian steppes...definitely when it comes to the area closer and beyond Sea of Rhun..the more desert environs that would be more like the Near Harad, the eastern lands probably may have some deserts...though I would bet much further east.
Sorry to pop your bubble but not all wizards/Istari are nice, you know? Don't get me wrong, I don't know who this dark wizard dude is supposed to be. But as you are probably aware Saruman - an Istar sent to defeat Sauron - joins the Dark Lord to gain power for himself; the two blue wizards Alatar and Pallando literally go to the East, never to be seen again and seem to have founded "cults of magic" there. So... they pretty much do spooky cult stuff instead of helping to fight Sauron. This guy might be one of them, in fact. Also, there is a later Nazgûl called Khamûl the Easterling who got a ring from Sauron. Maybe this wizard is supposed to be him. My point is... It is actually not uncommon that wizards or witch kings turn evil. This is totally in canon with what Tolkien wrote. So... don't blame it on the show xD
I mean, the blue wizards falling into darkness was a Tolkien given concept. They didn’t come up with it for the show any more than they did the orcs being corrupted elves. That’s simply the explanation they are choosing to follow.
i swear if you go scene by scene in this episode, its just one big poorly made easter egg hunt. they even let the (urgent) elf envoy to eregion go by foot so they can get a shot of them running on a hill like legolas aragorn and gimli did.
@@emmz-d5cthey only have limited screen time so they're not giving us all the information because they don't have the time to, what I suspect is happening is the elves are going on foot not because they want to but because they know something is up, none of their communications have been answered so the enemy is likely involved and if the enemy is involved then stealth would be required. Horses are one of the least stealthy animals imaginable
The writers and creators are so dumb they can't even understand the most basic description of Tom Bombadil. He's a very jolly fellow. Not a brooding hermit archetype. Dumb show.
Not gonna lie this episode really felt like Tolkien than the rest, they finally introduced him in the story that was supposed to appear in the Hobbit and LOTR
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I thought Tom bombadill was supposed to be undefeatedly happy and giddy lol
I actually - but that's just my opinion - found the book version of Tom Bombadil quite ridiculous. He drops some sick lines like saying that he saw how Morgoth descended upon Arda - but then jolly-tom-bom-bollies all over the place in the next second. So... I was happy that Jackson cut his part out of his trilogy. This interpretation of his character, however, seems more mature and decent in my eyes and given the tone of Tolkien's work and also of the series, I think, it fits much better.
No its not is this a joke very funny man 🤣
Think of how Tolkien portrayed the Elves through Bilbo's eyes in The Hobbit, and how they are portrayed in LOtR. The Hobbits saw Tom in much the same light, carefree and a bit ridiculous. As with the Elves, Tom is much more nuanced.
@@mmmelancholia The thing is that the scene with Tom explained how the One Ring works, and why the Wise were too terrified to even touch it. Jackson kind of expanded on this in other ways -- that the Ring promised what you desired and thereby corrupted your will -- but it would have been useful to see the one person in the epic who already had everything he desired and thus was wholly immune to the Ring.
@@mmmelancholia Tom is supposed to be incongruous. Tolkien intended Tom to be an anomaly, like a force of nature that remains mysterious and unexplained. Myths and fairy tales are full of encounters with supernatural beings acting oddly care free in circumstances that we find deadly serious. Tom's jolly nature is his most notable characteristic and removing it grounds a character who is supposed to be otherly.
Isnt Bombadil supposed to be perpetually cheery? Why the hell is this so somber?
He is suppose to speak in a lyrical way too.
I think it's pretty apparent by this point that the "writers" ain't interested in doing justice to Tolkien's work. They just want to use the IP to bring in the fans that they couldn't earn through their own merit.
He realised what show he's in.
@@Akron162 Agreed. It takes alot of talent and hard work to make Tom Bombadil boring, but Rory Kinnear and the director have done it! A remarkable achievement🤣
You could say the same about the elves in every adaptation so far, tbf
Portraying Tom Bombadil as introverted and brooding makes this all seem like a SNL skit from the early 2000’s. ‘SNL presents Emo Lord of The Rings’ or something.
there actually is a skit on lotr that is pretty similar tho this show lol
@Luanatheltom no deberia ser nada, como mucho deberias verlo por ahi saltando y bebiendo, sin contexto alguno y aporte al desarrollo de la historia.
This is one unhappy Tom. I thought he was supposed to be chaotically happy? Borderline disturbingly/creepily happy? Spoke in songs and riddles... man you can have fun with that as a scriptwriter.. He can be a ridiculous anomality that seems silly, but underneath it all.. there's a deep understanding of the world.. and his words can be full of wisdom.. but can also creep you out. Like a chaotic god from ancient Gaelic myths and legends.
Part of what's going on here is adapting what's in books for roughly 8 to 9 hours of video content, Even if all the same things worked in a book as in a movie or a TV series like this one, you have to cut things because the different audiences are going to enjoy or hate different types of things, creepy creepy levels of happy in a time like that would be extremely unsettling and drive many people to stop watching this show, So just making him a realist is going to be much better for audiences to actually enjoy the show even if it's going to enrage the few die hards whose opinions honestly don't matter that much
@@the_undeadlol enjoy that CW-level schlop while it lasts, maybe you can sign a petition when Amazon gets tired of burning truckloads of cash in the pits of Mordor
@@the_undead so why put him in? It was cheap attempt to say 'hey look Tom is in our show!! But we don't want him to be like he actually is suposed to be."
@@the_undeadthe voice of reason. Well said.
@@the_undead exactly, people forget that this show simplifies things so casual viewers understand, yknow those who watch a show once and never again, yea thats the focus.
Tolkien fans are secondary to them and this should surprise nobody as book adaptations have done this since the beginning.
*"Yeah, that's not Tom Bombadil."* - Tom Bombadil.
Thats not Tom Bombadil, Nor Tom Bombadillo, not by weed or willow, That fellow there is an imposterrillo! His nose is neither red nor his boots, Yellow.
Your amazon prime delivery of Tom Bombadil has arrived
From China, as it seems, where everything is substandard.
I've defended this series but yeah I have to agree with this take, this is like Tom Bombadil in cannabis withdrawal
Temu Tom Bombadil
lols
I like you're humour.
Im gonna tolerate that he’s not perpetually happy by pretending it’s because he hasn’t met Goldberry yet.
Some things can only be fixed with headcanon 😔
That would actually make a lot of sense
Tom is the most op being in this world. I don't think he'd be too concerned when his forest isn't under threat
In the Lord of the Rings game on the old Xbox 360 Tom could be summoned with a spell that only lasted 15 seconds. 1 hit did 50% damage on the big giant 9 foot tall Sauron. 😅
Battle for middle earth 2?
He didn't take off 50% per hit... He didn't even 1 shot ordinary troops. He lasted longer than 15 seconds as well. He knocks em down though, good for a summon.
I loved playing skirmishes in helms deep or minas tirith in 3v1s
I own the game and love it. He dances and skips around though all jolly and mentions that his boots are yellow haha. He's meant to talk lyrically. Typical of Amazon to fuck it up.
@@leightonrud66he was talking about his damage against Sauron, not against ordinary troops.
“And I shall gather lilies while yet they grow”
"It's your task to do both."
"What do I look like? A fire extinguisher?"
The dialogue/writing is terrible
Yup, no amount of good or decent acting will save this show from hilariously shit writing.
I know! I want to like this so bad but its just somehow unwatchable!!
As if Gandalf didn’t know his task before he was sent.
Not defending the show, but Tolkien himself said that the Istari (wizards) were deliberately sent in mortal flesh of old men that could be killed so that they would be humble and not domineering, and they would feel confusion and fear and weariness, and they were made to remember where they came from as though it was a dream long ago.
Hopefully not Gandalf, but one of the blue wizards/Maiar that were sent in the 2nd age.
I second what @BrentARJ says: The Stranger is clearly still in shock from being made flesh--his body doesn't work the same as his incorporeal self so he's not used to controlling it--and it's highly unlikely that a human brain could easily process the mind of a Maia, let alone his memories, so it would definitely take him a while to get centered and situated. It's one of the few little details this show gets right and makes sense.
@@Theomite Nothing of this is said in Tolkien. It is said that body is like clothes for maiar and valar
@@sychuan3729 I'm extrapolating based on the evidence that @BrentARJ provided. it would be very strange for an immortal in the Timeless Halls to BE in Arda. That transition would be a strange adaptation.
"Is it MY task to stop the fire?"
"No..." , Tom said nonchalantly as he puts on his shades, "...because we didn't start the fire in the first place. It was always burning. Since the world was turning. We didn't start the fire...no, we did not light it..."
"...but we tried to FIGHT it." said Not-Yet-Gandalf, nodding his head in sudden realisation of what his next course of action must be. "Thank you for the turnips, Tom, but I really need to fly and with haste! I am needed!"
"Jolly good then, Not-Yet-Gandalf. You up for a game of Warhammer next Tuesday?"
"And then head The Prancing Pony for a pint or two, afterwards?", said Not-Yet-Gandalf, standing in the doorway, with mild interest.
"Sounds good to me. See you next week, Not-Yet-Gandalf."
"Toodles Mate!", said Suddenly-Betrayed-By-His-Australian-Accent-And-Dialogue-But-NOT-YET-Gandalf, and as he left Tom Bombadil began to sing 'The Greatest Adventure', with the Minstrel Of Gondor, providing bass, who had been eavesdropping in Tom's wardrobe all this time...
I’m not a fan of Tom in the book but this is nothing like Tom. What the heck?!?
Because they're not trying to make an accurate representation of Tom in the books, they're trying to make a Tom that's acceptable for an on-screen appearance while still having the lore necessary stuff
Because this show is not accurate...and no canon character is depicted accurately :)...this is gigantic lore butchery dumb fanfic....it makes no effin sense to have Tom in this part of the world...especially since it would make more sense to have Elrond encounter him wandering Eriador or something. No canon character has the matching personality from books....so basically these are all character assassinations.
@@the_undeadPlease Show me the lore Stuff, i do not See it AT ALL in this Series. They could not care less about lore
@@frauwasauchimmer when I say lore necessary stuff I mean what is Tom, because quite frankly, one's personality generally has much less to do with the lore then we like to think. And quite frankly, Tom's personality would never do well on screen. In a bucket would do relatively fine. If you want to know what I'm talking about, looking to hitchhikers a guide to the Galaxy. There are many different versions of that story in many different formats and the original Creator strongly encouraged people when they're adapting the story to different formats to change things to work for said formats. Because what works well in a book doesn't work in a movie or similar
@@the_undead the Lore in the RoP is wrong regardless. Gandalf was not in Middle Earth in the Second Age. He only showed up in the Third Age.
Amazon need to stop this show. They are making a mess of all the characters. The series is a joke 😂😂😂. How can you take something as epic as LOTR and produce this. It’s clear madness 😂
Im a huge hobbit and lotr fan and i hated season 1 but 2 is interesting its honestly better then nothing just go read the books if you dont like this im glad this is out personally
Tom Bombadil is done better than in books
This Tom bares little character resemblance to the one I have read , if it wasn't for him giving his name wouldn't have recognised him
Amazon dont have a fucking clue, not a fucking clue.
@@chrisgibson1030 Agreed, and nor did Jackson.
He airily asserted once he wanted to film _The Lord of the Rings_ not as fantasy but as real history. That's a pointless undertaking. If he didn't want to do it in the manner of the nordic folktale Tolkien intended there's no point in doing it at all.
It's a bit like saying I want to do a movie of the D-Day landings all gritty violent and real, but for some unfathomable reason have it entirely made up of sprites fairies and elves.
@@splinterbyrd bruh, Jackson and crew at least loved the source material and did everything they could to balance book vs movie. There is a reason why the PJ trilogy is one of the best pieces of cinema in history
@@Pixx2266 Especially annoying in Jackson's effort was the way he pointlessly dispensed with Tolkien's beautiful dialogue, and replaced it with lines which were banal in the extreme
One of his scriptwriters effectively said in interview that she thought the audience would be too stupid to get it. Utter cobblers.
Visually, it lacked imagination. It was always the obvious way of doing it. As one critic put it so well; Jackson made Middle Earth look just like.... South New Zealand
@@splinterbyrd well, that's your opinion and one that's not shared by a lot of people. I love the books as well myself and PJ's trilogy did the best adaption that is possible.
@@Pixx2266 They left out the hobbits' journey across the Shire, the Old Forest, Tom Bombadil and the Barrow Wights. Those are some of my favourite bits.
Hobbiton looked like the Teletubbies house, and Rivendell looked like the Newton Abbot branch of Trago Mills.
I saw the movies at the cinema, and have them on dvd. They weren't bad, but Jackson's self-taught, and it shows. I love some of his other films, but this one was beyond him.
Let’s take one of the greatest fantasy stories of all time and fuck it up completely
Tom is cheery and happy when he meets the Hobbits, but we've no idea what his conversations with the Istari were like. I live the thought that he's more down to (Middle) Earth in this show.
The Hobbits were leaving their home and heading into a grand and terrifying world, and Tom gave them a moment of joy, wonder and hope. But the Istar here didn't need a silly goober, he need someone who had answers and could point him in the right direction.
I reckon they are attempting to reconcile Tolkien amending his writing from Blue Wizards failing in their missions and succumbing to darkness in earlier writings and Blue Wizards succeeding in curbing Sauron's expansion in later writings by doing both: one wizard being bad and one wizard being good. Saruman vs Gandalf type of situation. Oh, who am I kidding, I give them too much credit. These are Saruman and Gandalf.
Unless you're right.
Both of the Blue Wizards name is translated to: East-Helper and Darkness Slayer. As we can see The Dark Wizard is the East-Helper and The Stranged is the Darkness Slayer.
We don't really know if the Blue wizards did fail. If all the East had been under Saurons sway, could the Western lands have survived?
The 'Man' power that would have been availible if that was so, would have been uncountable.
I believe the Blue wizards did 'forment' resistance in the Eastern lands, so that didn't happen.
@@neil999ish we all know that canon is Blue wizzards messing up Sauron's designs for Rhun, since that's Tolkien's last and latest mention of them. I'm talking about what they're doing in the show. Tom Bombadil in the show says that if Sauron and the Dark Wizard manage to unite forces it's light out for everyone, and that the Stranger will have to face them both. I think it's actually no point in trying to sleuthe out who the Stranger is, because she show disrespects the source material at every corner and the Stranger could really be anybody: Saruman, Gandalf, or one of the Blue Wizzards. Hell, it might even be another yet unknown Maia or Glorfindel. The most unshit uninsane version would be if it was one of the Blue wizzards attempting to turn his friend the Dark Wizzard from evil ways, since it would merge both accounts that Tolkien gave about them, but that's giving the showrunners too much credit. We'll just have to wait and see.
I think you’re correct, but I also think you’re worried about people thinking you’re defending the show.
What I really dislike about this is that new fans curious to learn more about Tom after reading the books will look up his name and see THIS. It's going to completely take away the cheery mysteriousness of the character that so many of us fell in love with.
Yeah that's what annoys me about people who say it's just a show. But if you google anything LOTR related now, RoP comes up. It alters peoples perceptions of the characters, even if they've read the books. I can imagine if you've just got into the world of middle earth then it's going to be hard to shake that. It's like if you watch a movie before you read the books, you imagine the characters faces from the movies.
I think hes still pretty cheery overall, in that he is indifferent. He is literally making dinner while talking about the ultimate evil, and still singing. To that makes him pretty mysterious.
And thus ROP wipes away the tragedy that is Saruman's fall from grace. He didn't start off as a "Dark Wizard," but Saruman the White, leader and ally against Sauron and the darkness. But his hubris and pride led him to believe he could use the tools of the Enemy against him and for Good -- and this pride led to his tragic fall from grace into darkness.
Well we don’t know what happened with the blue wizards. No one ever heard from them again. They went east to rhun. That’s it. Only Gandalf was the one to do the task given to him. Who’s to say that blue wizards did not become corrupt or die.
Yeah, did Saruman ever go to Rhun?
@@malchalatiTolkien already said the opposite happened. I am sure the Rings of Power writers are as ignorant about that as the rest of his lore.
Their task was to circumvent Sauron: to bring help to the few tribes of Men that had rebelled from Melkor-worship, to stir up rebellion... and after his first fall to search out his hiding and to cause dissension and disarray among the dark East... They must have had very great influence on the history of the Second Age and Third Age in weakening and disarraying the forces of the East... who both in the Second Age and Third Age otherwise have... outnumbered the West.J.R.R. Tolkien
It isn’t Saruman.
@@Euthyphro No, it's Not-Saruman like we have Not-Gandalf and the Not-Hobbits fumbling about
As some one that read the Silmarillion, and still dose, ( i just love this book), i can confidently say that this shitshow is a insult to Tolkien himself
To be fair to this day nobody managed to obtain the rights to base their work on the Silmarillion so the writers need to avoid references to it
How? All I hear is whining about Galadriel being baddas,, which she was in Tolkien's work
@@Carlos-bz5oo yes, she was badass in Tolkien book, in the show she is a mary sue, and no one likes a mary sus like her, she should be elegant and authoritative, not fuking Chuck Norris
@@Carlos-bz5oo I get that they can't mention the Silmarillion, but they can still respect the lore. For one thing, the time crunch is ridiculous, but in this scene, "Tom Bombadil" says that another Istari "The dark wizard" has already come. According to Tolkien then, this has to be Saruman, which makes no sense. The blue wizards arrived with or after Gandalf, and it is clearly stated that they came "Across the sea".
Tom Bombadil didn't give a s*** about current events
I mean you'd probably want to be left alone if you have the power to decimate middle earth.
I mean, I guess they could say he had some character development in the several thousand years later that we see him in LOTR, but that may be giving them too much credit. Tom's whole deal is he's the constant, he's irreconcilable, he's joyful, and he's incapable of giving a shit about literally anything in any kind of meaningful way, up to and including his own well-being.
@ghaldurinanubios4290 him and goldberry are just a reference to Adam and eve. Nothing more.
This just seems wrong. Tom was happy and singing. He also did not care about anything outside his little realm.
He was a touch concerned about his sinister tenants in the barrow downs attacking the party of 4 hobbits.
@@xyreniaofcthrayn1195 That was in his realm.
Isn't fascinating that Tolkien adds a so powerful being in his world that doesn't get involved to any fight...
The five Istari were Maiar, divine beings of the same class as the Valar -- essentially gods -- but of a lesser degree. They were given two very, very strict rules: they must not reveal their true power to the creatures of Middle Earth, and they had to work by persuasion rather than domination. This was because the war that ended Morgoth in the First Age had gods and demi-gods walking around metaphysically naked and flinging miracles hither and yon, nearly destroying Arda in the process. That was one of the reasons Valinor was removed from the material plane, to keep this from happening again. That is also why Saruman was dissipated at the end of LOtR, he used his power to dominate, violating this restriction and thus essentially killed by Manwe.
The Valar and Maiar were more like angels than gods. I can see how the Valar’s hierarchy was based off Olympus tho. Maiar being lesser angels. Eru Ilúvatar is the one God of Tolkien’s world. Morgoth (the first dark lord) is based off Satan, while Sauron, his chief lieutenant is a fallen angel and becomes the second dark lord.
Still unites and guides and helps the good against the evil....
@@chasecreamer727 Just noting that Morgoth is one of the Valars that had a different song that didn't harmonise with the rest of the Valars. He couldn't make a race of his own so he tainted the elves to create orcs but created creatures like dragons and balrogs and I think Shelob as well? (shelob's story is interesting and I wish we get to see this as well in the series). I think Tolkien made it this way to show balance of light and dark. Morgoth was banished to the spirit realm never to return when he was defeated.
Old Tom Bombadil is a MERRY fellow,
Bright blue his jacket is,
and his boots are yellow.
k.
“Old Tom’s a wanderer, not a warrior.” 😎
But Tom isn't a wanderer. Thats the point 😂
@@Hero_Of_Old In Tolkien's lore Tom spent the first and second ages wandering Middle Earth
@@Hero_Of_Old Tom isn't a wanderer in LOTR, but it's explicitly stated at the council of Elrond that he used to be.
What a merry fellow xD
Can't wait for the next episode they are a lot of fun!
How much are they paying you?
Man it's all jacked up!!!
This is not lotr . This is his work the great deceiver !
Absolutely
@@mehmetbolal493 Morgoth definitely approves RoP. 💪😆
@@morgothfromangband6082He must of broke free like it's prophesied he would and corrupted Tolkien's work into this
Bot
@@mehmetbolal493 C'mon, I know Sauron is described in LotR as forever "faithless and accursed" but aren't you being a bit hard on him suggesting he'd write something as crap as this??
Wait, that's not Tom Bombadil! Who is the imposter? Nothing is as it seems in this funny series.
Rory Kinnear's accent is all over the place!!
It goes from West Country to what, northern?
@@samg1879 It goes from bad to worse...
It's a Cornish accent
@@AimForMyHead81 I've been to Cornwall many times and this is probably the only accent I haven't heard!!
@@AimForMyHead81 I'm right next door to Cornwall. It's definitely a poor/intentional take on a general west country accent, and a general northern one. I guess they wanted him to sound rural but not belonging to anywhere?
Such a poorly written show :(
Wow those beards look super real
This makes me feel like a cat rewinded from coughing up a furball.
*On one hand this works:* Tom would interact with the Ainur very differently than he would mortals given that they both share forbidden knowledge of each other's true self. Also, this being the Second Age, Tom might be "younger" and not as carefree as he would be by the Third Age (Death of The Endless used to be dour and indifferent in the early eons of _The Sandman_ universe) so his behavior might be more reserved. And I personally like the idea that The Stranger is amnesiac and discombobulated out of shock from being made corporeal.
*On the other hand, this doesn't work:* The Istari and Sauron are all Maia, and fairly even in terms of power. The idea that a Dark Istari would be comparatively weak compared to Sauron and thus need his combined power doesn't math right. Sure, 2>1 but 2 is essentially 1 + another 1, both of which are equal. Tom is suggesting that they aren't.
Well the Maia did have different power levels, if I remember correctly Gandalf had to be convinced to go to middle earth because he was initially frightened of Sauron.
@@lamontcranston1716 On the power levels and fear of Sauron I'm not sure. But I do remember that Gandalf was drafted by Eru himself to go to Arda so he had no choice. That was the friction between him and Saruman: Saruman wanted to go but Gandalf was chosen to go.
Isn't Sauron the most powerful of all the Maia's anyway? which implies that some are stronger/weaker than others
@Theomite No he was Drafted by Manwë one of the Valar. When they meet to decide who should go, Olórin (Gandalf) is kind of hanging out on the edge of the council. Manwë calls for him and tells him he wants him to go, but Olórin says that he is too weak for such a task, and that he feared Sauron. Manwë says that this is exactly why he *should* go.
Id watch this show if Prime would stop playing commercials I pay not to see
For some reason this was hard to watch. Where are they heading with this.
Guys, this is one scene, he is quite jolly in the others... I disagree with a lot in rings of power... but I don't mind this tom bombadill... he seems jolly in other scenes... and what a great soundtrack by bear mcreary :)
Rory Kinnear is an incredible actor. He's particularly good in Penny Dreadful as Frankenstein's monster. But here, I fear, he is miscast.
Tom knows The Stranger’s task but didn’t know what the dark wizard would become?
Old Tom Bombadil isn't a merry fellow after all
My God ! This show is anything but Tolkien's work. It's so stupid that we don't know where to start talking about it. - Evil creates nothing, it disguises and distorts.- Tolkien
Go read the book then
I prety sure Tolkien made Sauron make the rings of power with elves or what films, tv show and books have I read & watched? I am also sure that nothing is evil in the beginning.
@@AnnaBellaChannel Bit of a long reply here.
Following Morgoth's defeat at the end of the First Age, Sauron takes on a fair form to repent for his actions. However, when he's summoned to Valinor to be put on trial and judgement, he flees. Sauron spends the next 500 years in hiding. In the year 500 of the Second Age, when Sauron believes the Valar have forgotten about Middle-earth, he begins making moves for his eventual rise to power as the new Dark Lord. He first goes into the East, where he begins gathering followers among Easterlings who have long been corrupted by Morgoth. After another 500 years, Sauron finally begins the construction of Barad-dur in Mordor, finally bringing Orcs into the fold.
Around the year 1200, Sauron puts on a fair form again, seeking to infiltrate the Elves. He calls himself "Annatar, the Lord of Gifts." At first, he tries to enter Lindon, but High King Gil-galad, despite not being able to discern who Annatar is, does not trust him and turns him away. However, the Elves of Eregion under Celebrimbor accept him and Sauron begins teaching them how to make Rings of Power. During this time, the first 16 rings are created - that is, the 7 and 9 that will eventually come to Dwarves and Men respectively.
Around this time, Sauron leaves and returns to Mordor, where he creates his One Ring. During Sauron's absence from Eregion, Celebrimbor creates 3 more rings. As Sauron puts on the One, the Elves wearing the rings immediately become aware of his deception and take all their rings off. Sauron then declares war on the Elves, laying siege to Eregion for the rings. Eregion is destroyed, Celebrimbor is captured, and Sauron claims the 16 rings from the vaults of Eregion. However, as Celebrimbor had sent the 3 rings off (2 to Lindon and 1 to Galadriel in Lorien), Sauron tortures him for information. Celebrimbor never reveals the location of the Three Elven Rings, and would die of his torment. The Elf-lord's body is then placed on a spike and used as a war banner by Sauron's Orcs.
@@Some_Dumass Excellent
Actually it's "The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own. I don't think it gave life to Orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them ..."
If you're going to be an irrational hater, don't show that you don't actually read Tolkien
This is ridiculous
This Rings of Power needs a Mr. Plinkett review. 😂
Tom Bombadil from Wish
Tem Tembudil
We have Tom Bombadil at home!
Ok boomer
Why am I getting April Fools "Legend Of Zelda The Movie" vibes from this?
Oh for fucks sake
This "Tom Bombadil" is clearly not a merry fellow.
This series is decent LOTR fan fiction.
Amazon made Gandalf into an idiot.
he is not gandalf. He is one of the two blue Istar that are not known..
@@mateusz8818 He's a blue wizard. If they're keeping to the lore. Otherwise it's likely The dark wizard may just be Saruman and the stranger Gandalf.
Tom Bombadil is the vessel of Eru's music just like Ungoliant was the vessel of Melkor's discord. So why isn't he upbeat?
@@ThePrinceOrtmayer You can ask why he's not upbeat without making shit up. Neither what you said about Tom or Ungoliant is true. Sounds like personal pet theories.
@@HorseandHattock it's my opinion fella. If you don't like it tough shite.
I don't think you understand what speculation is lad. Maybe buy a dictionary and keep your mouth shut you basement dweller.
@@HorseandHattock What have I said that is made up fella? It's on RUclips 🤡
We keep forgetting that Amazon doesn’t have full rights so they have to tip toe between some lines . They don’t have full rights so it’s not going to be an exact adaptation
It's a race to get cancelled between this shite and HotD
The Dark Wizard is Khamûl the Easterling, one of the Nine and the Lord of Rhûn.
Welp, frick u rings of power, u ruined it, u had a chance and u tripped again
Tom Bombadill would have literally no interest in these events or this conversation...
Not being funny but I thought he was Manwe after the ‘Commander of wind’ comment
Then I googled it & found out this guy is literally his own character 😂
Who knows though, his character was never really explained & always left up to mystery, never seemed to have any desire to intervene aswell so it’s possible
i like Tom better in battle for middle Earth 2
I feel like Tom wouldn't know or care who the Istari are. Or Sauron. He just wants to live and sing in his corner of the world.
So that's tom bobadil from cw!!
That’s not Bombadil, that’s some fan fiction bull crap!
It's the only Tom you're ever going to see on screen.
what the fuck is that
The cadence of this dude doesn't match Tom at all
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Wait can someone remind me how gandalf knows who sauron is?
I thought all he knows about is following stars to a staff. He learned to speak like a month ago and he only talks to nori and poppy and I don't think they have ever brought it up.
He met those three women in white. Evidently, they thought he was Sauron
@@rosesweetcharlotte Did they actually say that though? I don't remember.
Every episode has previouslys but they don't help
Not even Sir Ian McKellen could make this verbal diarrhea of a script sound good.
he is pretty happy for someone who knows the end of the world is coming
This is not Tom Bombadil
I know haha
This is not Tomb Bombadil he is not a merry fellow. His Jacket might be blue but his boots are not Yellow.
@@MrChickennugget360 He _is_ *Tomb* Bombadil: as cheery as a house of the dead.
Another Istar?
So either there’s literally another angel walking about the place, or Istar is just a 2nd age term for Wizard in general
The Istari (Quenya for "those who know") are a couple of Maiar who were sent to Middle Earth, disguised as old men, in the Third Age. (They changed the timeline in the show.) They are also referred to as "wizards". There are five "famous" Istari: Saruman, Gandalf, Radagast, Pallando and Alatar. The Istari were sent to Middle Earth to help in the fight against Sauron - however, actually none of them except for Gandalf did their job.
There is also a passage in the Silmarillion, if I'm not mistaken, which states that it is, in fact, not known if there were more Istari/wizards.
The dark wizard from the East could be one of the blue wizards (Alatar or Pallando) who went, indeed, in the East - or it could be an unknown other Istar. To me, he seems to be some sort of High Priest of Sauron. Maybe he could also become a future Nazgûl. There is indeed a Nazgûl that's called Khamûl the Easterling. Perhaps, this is Khamûl...? I think, we will have to wait and see.
@@mmmelancholia - Pallandro and Alatar were sent in the late Second Age and headed east into Rhun, never to be heard from again. The arrival of the other three was about 2000 years later, presumably because the other two failed their mission.
@@TechBearSeattle Saruman traveled to the East like the two blue wizards. Saruman was the only one who came back to the West after a millennia and a half. The other two stayed in the East.
@@TechBearSeattle thank you for the correction :) my bad
@@TechBearSeattle The Silmarillion states that Saruman was the eldest and arrived first.
To have these two characters meet and neither of them have the biggest qualities they’re known for. Gandalf being that he knows exactly what his quest is and it’s his only aim. And Tom being cheerful and unconcerned with all that bullshit outside of his boarders.
It’s just a prequel to ensnare ignorant movie fans and mindless consumers with no self respect
This scene could have been great if it got the right script
It actually got it...
Give us the script
For me, it works better than everything else in the show.... Not that its undenieably good, but better. At least somewhat logical, that someone who lives beneath a desert takes in a lost wanderer and feeds and advises him. No obvious nonsense here Like making urgent travels without horses or rations or tents, or attacking the only enemy of your enemy while you want to infiltrate him to know If you still have an enemy ...
I really thought people were exaggerating when they said this show was insultingly bad, but i am actually insulted by how bad this is. jesus christ dude.
I like the actor but Tom bombadill is meant to be jolly, care free and has a skip in his step. And where’s Goldberry?! Why have the writers made him like this?
this is the only scene where he's serious, he's humming and happy in all the others. also goldberry is referenced if you watch the full episode
Tom Bombadil is a Enigma, and dancing up beat Enigma.. All in song and sound, he might Even be the one.
This is not that.
So, they're canonizing the interpretation of the Blue Wizards falling into darkness then. Lovely.
What little is known of them is that they were sent to Middle Earth in the Second Age, traveled to Rhun east of Mordor to protect them from the influence of Sauron, and were never heard from again. The general supposition is that they were corrupted, served as his lieutenants for a time, then overthrew Sauron's influence, rose in revolt with the peoples of Rhun, and died in the ensuing war. The Wraiths were then turned to replace the Blue Wizards, and it is the Wraiths, not the Wizards, who fight in War of the Last Alliance at the end of the Second Age. If Sauron still had them, he definitely would have used them.
They aren't canonizing shit. As someone who watches and generally enjoys this show, it will never be canon lol
@@TechBearSeattleI heard somewhere that Gandalf is considered the only Istari to have successfully completed his mission. Even Radagast, it was said, lost focus delving into his interest in nature and animals.
Nothing in this show is official canon
they're canonizing nothing, as far as I'm concerned this show is a bad dream
It takes alot of talent and hard work to make Tom Bombadil boring, but Rory Kinnear and the director have done it! A remarkable achievement🤣
Dude, portraying Tom as somber is like having Batman be the most cheerful guy ever.
It just doesnt work :/
Tolkien would be sad to see Tom Bombadil this way. HE was suppose to cheery, I was excited to see this character and then disappointed not seeing him cheerful haha... this series could of been better.... so close Amazon... so close.
Close?? They were way off ny miles!
Both actors did good work. From the RUclips clips I have seen so far, this series does not have a problem with acting.
No, but to a die-hard Tolkien-fan the words that come out of their mouth are just an insult...and that's why I don't like it and will continue to refuse to watch it in it's entirety...there were 5 Istari which arrived at the Grey Havens...Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast, Alatar and Pallando... they knew exactly who they were and what their purpose was and which Maia they were previously...also they didn't need to learn how to control magic goddamnit and there also wasn't a dark Istari...all of this is just horrible, made-up, mystery-box, fanfiction-bullshit, because they do not have the rights to portray what actually happened in the Second Age
@@MacXHammer This is supposed to be an adaptation of Tolkien’s work. But at some point, I ask who the author is or if this is an original story. Because this is not an adaptation of an actual novel, I think it’d be even more important to adhere to Professor Tolkien’s notes.
@@MacXHammerthe show is exactly like that. But you don’t watch it so you wouldn’t know.
@@MacXHammerdude you are in a video clip of it like how sad of a life you have to have to be mad at a thing and then angrily spend time with the thing
He does not look like a merry fellow... does not even look merry at all!
What a finely decorated, but empty world they have created. Sure there are things to like, but it doesn't possess anywhere near the depth or weight of the world Tolkein wrote about.
What I wanna know is, are there any monsters in this thing. Hashtag Balrog
Wtf is he doing in the desert? 😅 This show man
Exactly....the only way to implement him would be to have Elrond encounter him wandering Eriador because that's how Elrond knows of this being :).
he is just wandering
It's explained at the council of elrond that Tom wandered middle earth in the past.
He literally says this place was once green and that he returned to see it for himself
@@vasuba well the thing is...in Tolkien's descriptions of the eastern lands....they were mostly depicted as grassy plains and fields with some unexplored forests and so on...but the plains are supposed to represent more the Eurasian steppes...definitely when it comes to the area closer and beyond Sea of Rhun..the more desert environs that would be more like the Near Harad, the eastern lands probably may have some deserts...though I would bet much further east.
What an absolute horrible slap in the face to Tom Bomb. Holy crap what the fuck.
At this point I'm rooting for Sauron to end this horrid show
Jack Black or Ricky Gervais for Tom.
Robin Williams would have been most perfect
"Is it my task to face Sauron?" Holy crap did these writers just never read or what? At this point they're making everything the opposite on purpose
Interesting how they wrote this scene, Sauron was not a member of the istari, he was a maiar and follower of Morgoth😊
Tom was talking about the evil Istari and Sauron.
@@chasecreamer727 Right, but Sauron and the Istari are all Maia, so this is an odd little detail for Tom to neglect/mention.
@@Theomite That is true. Would help to mention that to the viewer regardless if said viewer was a Tolkien fan or not.
Sorry, are they saying another wizard is around, and is evil? This show man...
????
Was thinking that myself
Sorry to pop your bubble but not all wizards/Istari are nice, you know? Don't get me wrong, I don't know who this dark wizard dude is supposed to be. But as you are probably aware Saruman - an Istar sent to defeat Sauron - joins the Dark Lord to gain power for himself; the two blue wizards Alatar and Pallando literally go to the East, never to be seen again and seem to have founded "cults of magic" there. So... they pretty much do spooky cult stuff instead of helping to fight Sauron. This guy might be one of them, in fact.
Also, there is a later Nazgûl called Khamûl the Easterling who got a ring from Sauron. Maybe this wizard is supposed to be him.
My point is... It is actually not uncommon that wizards or witch kings turn evil. This is totally in canon with what Tolkien wrote.
So... don't blame it on the show xD
That is f*cking Canon. Oh Boy... This people who think is canon elves at Helm's Deep.
I mean, the blue wizards falling into darkness was a Tolkien given concept.
They didn’t come up with it for the show any more than they did the orcs being corrupted elves. That’s simply the explanation they are choosing to follow.
It's like the writers read a fandom wiki and decided to add anything that would be recognisable by fans
i swear if you go scene by scene in this episode, its just one big poorly made easter egg hunt. they even let the (urgent) elf envoy to eregion go by foot so they can get a shot of them running on a hill like legolas aragorn and gimli did.
@@emmz-d5cthey only have limited screen time so they're not giving us all the information because they don't have the time to, what I suspect is happening is the elves are going on foot not because they want to but because they know something is up, none of their communications have been answered so the enemy is likely involved and if the enemy is involved then stealth would be required. Horses are one of the least stealthy animals imaginable
The lame-ness of this apparent on every level. Ridiculous plotting, horrible/stilted dialogue.
The writers and creators are so dumb they can't even understand the most basic description of Tom Bombadil. He's a very jolly fellow. Not a brooding hermit archetype. Dumb show.
Why is his mouth curving down? Tom wouldn’t know what a frown is
Not gonna lie this episode really felt like Tolkien than the rest, they finally introduced him in the story that was supposed to appear in the Hobbit and LOTR
You have no idea what you're talking about
Why destroy Tom like this?:
Dark Wizard? Tom Bombadil depicted as...wtf is that? Gandalfs task is it to "face them both"?
What in the devils name is this shit?
why is Gandalf played by Asmongold?